A guess: All the NCAA sniffing won’t cost Auburn its BCS title
Gene Chizik at Talladega: Is the NCAA OK with this? (Photo courtesy of the Birmingham News)
SEC commissioner Mike Slive told a meeting of sports editors Monday he has received no word from the NCAA that it has closed its investigation of Cam Newton. This news — or non-news, depending on your slant — comes only days after Jon Solomon of the Birmingham News reported that Auburn admits the NCAA is investigating the (since-discontinued) Tiger Prowl.
A bit of background: The Tiger Prowl was initiated when Gene Chizik arrived in 2009 and involved Auburn coaches touring Alabama — and showing up at some of its high schools — in white stretch limousines. The NCAA has since passed legislation limiting the number of coaches who could visit a high school on the same day.
Another bit of background: The Tiger Prowl isn’t to be confused with Big Cat Weekend, an event staged at Toomer’s Corner involving fans and recruits that, in its 2009 manifestation, wound up being the source of five secondary NCAA violations.
The point being: When it comes to the NCAA and Auburn, you can’t tell the investigations without a scorecard. Solomon of the Birmingham News also reported last week that former Auburn player Chaz Ramsey — not to be confused with former Auburn player Eric Ramsey, whose tape-recorded conversations led to the fall of Pat Dye and deep-dish NCAA probation back in the ’90s — will meet with the NCAA regarding his allegations, made on HBO’s Real Sports, that he received money to play for the Tigers.
Oh, and there’s one more: It was reported by Thayer Evans of FoxSports in February that the NCAA has looked into Auburn’s recruiting of two players from Thibodaux, La.
And now you’re thinking: With all these probes ongoing, the NCAA has to be able to find something with which to hammer Auburn. Doesn’t it?
I’m not so sure. The Tiger Prowl thing could be another of those secondary-violation-spawners, and the Louisiana thing could amount to nothing. Auburn’s defense against the HBO-aired allegations was that none of the four ex-players has offered any proof, which isn’t the world’s worst defense. Which brings us back to Cam Newton, and here’s what I think will happen to Auburn regarding his recruitment:
Nothing.
At last check, men with ties to Mississippi State have admitted taking part in discussions with Cecil Newton, Cam’s father, about money. But the only suggestion that Auburn paid Cam/Cecil has taken the form of leaping logic: If the dad wanted $180,000 to sign with Mississippi State, does it make sense that the son would enroll at another school for free? But a logical leap is not proof.
As I read it, the SEC school that should be worried isn’t the one that landed Cam but the one that didn’t. I say again: Men with ties to Mississippi State have admitted taking part in discussions regarding money and a recruit. This could well have been a case of boosters talking through their hats — meaning nobody actually intended to pay Cecil Newton a dime — but can the NCAA and the SEC let such an admission slide?
Many among us insist it’s only a matter of time before something is found that will stick to Auburn, but I’ve come to believe any such something will not — repeat, will not — involve Cam Newton. Unless/until someone offers evidence that he (or his dad) received improper benefits from Auburn, the Tigers will keep their BCS title. And I’m not sure such evidence exists.
By Mark Bradley
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Tell The Truth
April 19th, 2011
4:30 pm
Have never seen a National Championship team lose its luster so fast as this Auburn team. They had to charge five dollars for the spring game to help offset the legal expenses and to reload the recruiting payoff budget.
Beast from the East
April 19th, 2011
4:38 pm
Mark,
I have to agree with you. No proof, just a few secondary violations and a ton of speculation. They may be dirty as heck, but you have to generate some proof. There seems to be little or none.
Dirty Dawg
April 19th, 2011
4:48 pm
Hey Headley, I think you were referring to Baghdad Bob, and he was about as delusional as they come. Don’t think the AUers are quite there yet, my take is that they’re still in the ‘whistling past the graveyard’ stage, but it’ll come and it won’t be pretty. I’ve asked my AU friends how they would/will react when the hammer comes down and they, to a person, are still in ‘lawyered-up’ mode saying ‘there is no evidence and that all they know is that Cam was eligible’
Fact is the NCAA is waiting until the political/gambling/bribery case has been resolved so they can have access to the wire-tap evidence. Then again, Uncle Milty will likely ‘cop-a-plea’ in return for that evidence to be kept confidential – that is until somebody decides to ‘be a whistle-blower’.
NCAA enforcement committee
April 19th, 2011
5:01 pm
Lotta smoke coming from the plains. Typically where there is smoke there is fire.
In other AU related news the tigers lost 24 seniors, 3 jrs who went pro, 4 players booted for robbery, another dismissed, and 1 or 2 who transferred. All in all AU has lost 33 or 34 players from last year’s team. They return 6 starters overall 3 on offense and 3 on Defense. Gonna be a long, long year on the plains. 6-6 maybe 7-5 if they’re lucky.
Bodda Getta
April 19th, 2011
5:18 pm
Sorry Georgia fans,
The evidence is so overwhelming, even your local papers are bailing on you.
http://www.gainesvilletimes.com/section/116/article/49235/
Bodda Getta
April 19th, 2011
5:21 pm
It’s not just the local papers. This is going viral.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/669492-georgia-football-is-it-time-to-examine-mark-richts-recruiting-standards-now
TrishaDishaWarEagle
April 19th, 2011
6:13 pm
We are not UGA..We have more brains to to pay non contributing benchwarmers. What the hell purpose would that serve?
T-O-P-L-E-S-S
April 19th, 2011
7:19 pm
We see Dim Wit Trisha Disha and Mike P have joined their two pea brains together to form the Auburn Defense team. Let the laughing begin.
These two knuckleheads just do not get it, even if it takes 5 years for something to come out, they have already lost. They lost the respect of every other SEC member, they lost the respect of the media( one exception being the Auburn Alumni led Birmingham News), other college football coaches, and fans across the nation.
You have lost and it does not matter how many notions of defense you bring up, it is a lost cause.
You Lose and everyone knows it.
MikeP
April 19th, 2011
10:24 pm
Hey Headley: Why did you stop listing schools with violations after seven? Couldn’t be because UGA has six, could it?
Ah, Topless is back for another try at respectability. His last attempt didn’t turn out so well for him.
Those repairs on Cecil’s church? They were completed by July of 2009, six months BEFORE Cam signed with Auburn. Best guess is that Cam’s older brother, Cecil jr, who was playing for the Jax Jags at the time is the source of most if not all of that money. Check the minutes of the Newnan City Council meeting of July 2009 for details.
Don’t worry about Auburn having “only” 53,000 present for the A-day game. Over 80,000 showed up for the Championship Day celebration in February.. Cam Newton, Nick Fairley, a bunch of seniors and all the coaches spoke. A wonderful time was had by all. Hey, this is Great Time to be an Auburn Tiger!
MikeP
April 19th, 2011
10:54 pm
Hey Topless: Auburn can’t have lost too much respect from the other coaches. Finished #1 in the coaches’ poll, Gene Chizik voted Coach of the Year by his fellow coaches…Do you ever post something that can’t be easily refuted?
Pointing out a few errors by various posters above, for those interested in facts:
1)No Auburn Board of trustees member is charged with any crime. No BOT member has been indicted for any crime.
2)Tiger Prowl changed some things after the NCAA consulted about it in 2009, but it’s not discontinued. There was a Tiger Prowl in 2010 and there will be another one soon, check for the time and date in a city near you.
3)Big Cat Weekend is scheduled for the end of May this year. If there is a top prospect living near you, he’ll either be there or wish he was there.
4)There was no “shopping” by Cecil Newton. Former Mississippi State player and booster Kenny Rogers approached Cecil about money, $200,000 to be exact. If Rogers could put the deal together, he’d get $20,000 for his trouble and Cecil would get the other 180,000. One little problem, Rogers couldn’t find an MSU booster that would trust him with $200, let alone 200,000. So there was no offer from State. That’s the only money talk there was. Oklahoma, Tennessee and Auburn, the other three schools Cam visited, all say money was not mentioned. That would be because Kenny Rogers had no connections at those schools. MSU is in trouble because apparently two MSU assistant coaches heard this discussion between Rogers and Cecil Newton on November 27th in a Starkeville hotel lobby, but MSU failed to report it until January 4th, strangely, one day AFTER Cam signed with Auburn. What a coincidence!
5)According to a freedom of information request from the Birmingham News to Auburn, the only NCAA investigation open at Auburn is the technically open but inactive investigation of the 2009 Tiger Prowl. If anything comes of that (doubtful) it will be secondary violations at best.
Lastly, I have come to learn that these days “where there’s smoke there’s fire’” means “there’s no proof and these guys probably didn’t do anything wrong but I sure do wish they had.”
War Eagle!
pay it up
April 19th, 2011
10:59 pm
auburn’s fatcat boosters have paid off enough people to keep their title–cash newton will be richer than ever.
T-O-P-L-E-S-S
April 20th, 2011
12:20 am
Mike P..
I ran you off the other day and you had to resort to name calling. You are the dim wit on the blog and everyone is laughing at you.
You lose and everytime you come on here we all see how much of a loser loser loser you really are.
The respect factor is that no one respects Auburn…Just tonight on HBO Bryant Gumbel called out Auburn again and said that SPEAKING OF Newton…todays heros are tomorrows goats….
Today on ESPN ..the former Auburn apologist and Protector – Paul Finebaum stated that he now had serious doubts that Cam Newton did not know what his father was doing. He went on to say that Auburn is more than likely going to have the Newton saga revisited.
You just do not get it….Across this great nation( and believe me when I say “ACROSS”) as I travel weekly for 44 weeks a year …any college football fan has utter disdain for the cheating program at Auburn and that is usually the adjective to describe Auburn within the first 10 words. That is a fact.
As for your BOT members getting re-selected…that should tell you something…you now know that the University is controlled by a core group of 4 men and they do whatever they want whenever they want.
One more thing…Lee Farkas…..convicted today for his role in the collapse of Colonial Bank. Now his attorney is saying on appeal he will wield all resources to bring out the truth and if that meant bringing others into the trial that have so far avoided the witness stand he is determined to do so. In otherwords,,,Mr. Lowder….please swear in…the gloves are coming off.
Once again we are ALL LAUGHING AT YOU Mike P. Enjoyed the 40,000 fans that showed up at the DEFENDING NATIONAL CHAMPIONS SPRING GAME…..that ALL IN deal was only good for one year and that one year will soon be the year you will wish to forget….The TITLE holders can only muster 40,000 and that number was some of that Auburn accounting numbers.
T-O-P-L-E-S-S
April 20th, 2011
12:21 am
Mike P…you lose…..HA HA HA HA HA…..take the punishment like a man that is coming.
T-O-P-L-E-S-S
April 20th, 2011
9:11 am
Mike P….
YOU IDIOT! Cecil admitted shopping Cam, that is why he was ruled ineligible for less than 24 hours.
Bulldog Joe
April 20th, 2011
9:26 am
With the collapse of Colonial Bank, the shutdown of the gambling machines at Victoryland, and the severe slump in the building materials industry, one has to wonder how much longer the money pipeline to Auburn can be sustained.
MikeP
April 20th, 2011
10:26 am
Toothless…er, Topless: Lee Farkas has nothing to do with Auburn. I doubt that he’s ever been in the state of Alabama. Farkas was convicted of stealing money from Colonial bank. So what? Grab at straws much?
Auburn people call F-bomb Paul Pondscum. ‘Nuff said about his feelings toward Auburn.
Cecil did not admit to shopping Cam. He admitted to discussing money with Kenny Rogers at Mississippi State. Officials at Oklahoma, Tennessee and Auburn all say money wasn’t mentioned. Reading up before you post will help your credibility.
The governor of Alabama appoints members to the Board of Trustees. Where you got the idea that some “cult of four” does it I can’t imagine.
I recently returned from an extended trip in Florida. Proudly wore my Auburn National Champs cap and shirt. Got a lot of congratulations on the championship and comments about what a great team Auburn had. Not a single person said a thing about all these outlandish false accusations. I think bamzos and DullDawgs are the only ones that are sitting around hoping their wild dreams will come true and Auburn will get a penalty.
Learn to read, there were 53,000 at Auburn’s spring game. Can’t you get anything right?
The Championship Celebration was the place to be, with 80,000 plus enjoying the ceremonies. Sorry you missed it, that BCS trophy is something sweet to look at.
Bulldog Joe, that would be a concern if there were some mysterious “money pipeline”. There is none.
AU_KOPPIE
April 20th, 2011
5:15 pm
All I will say is, we (Auburn) are either the cleanest program out there or the best at hiding our transgressions. We have been under the microscope of the NCAA, blog writers, media and every fan-base for 6 months and not 1 factual piece has come out. NOT ONE!!!! so UGA fans and bama fans relax, mean ole Nick Fairley and the evil Cam Newton cant hurt you anymore; they have moved on to the NFL.
T-O-P-L-E-S-S
April 20th, 2011
8:03 pm
Mike P…
You are DELUSIONAL….You lose and have already LOST!
T-O-P-L-E-S-S
April 20th, 2011
8:04 pm
Did they let you take your Auburn Championship Cap into the prison in Florida to visit your daddy?
Bama Fan#2
April 21st, 2011
5:37 am
You would hope that your favorite team would run a clean program but with the SEC football
conference as it is now I bet the only really clean program is Vandy.
Tide
April 21st, 2011
12:53 pm
What’s funny is we have a thing called crimson caravan that is the exact same and no on seems to have brought it up in the papers hahahha
Stating the Facts
April 21st, 2011
7:05 pm
Tide,
Sorry to inform you, there is a major difference and here is how they are different.
The Crimson Caravan is designed for coaches, and Alabama staff members to go to various places/schools, and No recruiting is allowed, and no other outside persons are involved.
What Auburn is being investigated about was the use of outside personnel on the bus and limo who as reported in the Tuskegee News that women over the age of 21 were used to entertain recruits and some of those recruits were “minors”. This is the second incident where the “Mann Act” was SUPPOSEDLY violated by staff members of Auburn. I am not saying this is true, I have no facts, I am just repeating what was reported in the Tuskegee News a few weeks back. This all came to light ACCORDING to the Tuskegee News after the NCAA interviewed coaches and players who were recruited by Auburn the past 3 years.
The NCAA allows schools to make these treks across states as long as recruiting is not the focus of the caravan.
MikeP
April 22nd, 2011
9:09 am
Tuskegee News? Let me guess, Paul Davis, correct? Now he’s got NCAA investigators telling him the details of their investigations? Impressive.
One undeniable fact: The purpose of the 2009 Tiger Prowl was to get the attention of the population in general and recruits in particular. Getting the high school coaches and players and local media to know the new coaching staff was the goal.. (remember, this was 2009, the coaches were new then)
Everywhere that bus went a flock of reporters followed. The presence of any “ladies of the evening” would have been all over the front page of every newspaper in Alabama and Georgia the very next morning. Epic fail on that one, Paul.
The difference between Crimson Caravan and the ‘09 Tiger Prowl was that the Tiger Prowl, in addition to meeting the public in the evenings, also stopped at various high schools. That was declared to be a no-no after the ‘09 version, and the 2010 Tiger Prowl no longer went to the schools. The ‘10 Tiger Prowl was exactly like Crimson Caravan and the ‘11 version of Tiger Prowl will be in Atlanta in the very near future.
Anti Mike P
April 22nd, 2011
10:09 am
The only guy to come on here daily to insure no one writes, blogs, or publishes anything negative about his Auburn program is Mike P. What a pathetic life he lives.
MikeP
April 22nd, 2011
3:37 pm
Anti Mike P
April 22nd, 2011
10:09 am
“The only guy to come on here daily to insure no one writes, blogs, or publishes anything negative about his Auburn program is Mike P. What a pathetic life he lives.”
I grew up reading a newspaper. Now, through the miracle of the internet I can comment on what I read. Almost ever day there is some outlandish claim about what the deep, dark, mysterious Aubies are doing.
Take today, a writer in the Tuskegee News says Auburn is stupid enough to have hookers in attendance at a series of events planned to get as much public attention as possible. That’s a HOOT! An even bigger hoot is that there are some who might believe it.
I lead a great life. This is a wonderful time to be alive and an even more wonderful time to be an Auburn Tiger!
Stating the Facts
April 22nd, 2011
9:32 pm
Anti Mike P,
Do not even try to talk sense into this guy. He comes on every blog and writes nonsense about how clean his program at Auburn is. On top of that he is known just to cut and paste your comments and responds to them. He wants to be Andy Rooney. His overall intelligence is on a third grade level and by far is the worse person on these blogs. Just ignore Mike P and let him live in his fantasy world. Everyone knows what kind of program they run down at Auburn and the shortcuts they take along the way, let him live in that Fantasy Land.
MikeP
April 22nd, 2011
10:22 pm
“he is known just to cut and paste your comments and responds to them”
That’s a common internet courtesy, that way the person you are responding to knows that you are addressing him. The only people that object are those who don’t like it when you nail them with a false statement they previously made.
All you have to do is put up one shred of proof that backs up your claim of Auburn taking “shortcuts”. C’mon and try: The sleaziest group of sensationalist writers on the earth have been trying to find something for months, let alone the SEC’s six month investigation and the NCAA’s five month investigation.
There is nothing to find. Everyone says that, or that’s what they would say if they were Stating the Facts.
dawg 777
April 23rd, 2011
12:13 am
AUBURN BEEN CHEATING AND PAYING PLAYERS SINCE 1957, USING MONEY AND GIRLS TO RECRUIT HIGH SCHOOL PLAYERS TO AUBURN. THE PROOF IS AUBURN BEEN ON PROBATION 7 TIMES.
MikeP
April 23rd, 2011
9:21 am
“THE PROOF IS AUBURN BEEN ON PROBATION 7 TIMES”
Auburn has 7 major violations, Georgia has six. Not much difference there.
Auburn’s last major violation was in 1991, 20 years ago.
Proud Tiger
April 23rd, 2011
10:42 am
The article notes that the NCAA investigation of Cam Newton is still ongoing. However, the article is misleading since NCAA Pres. Emmert said months ago it was over as faras Auburn is concerned. The ongoing investigation is now centered around Miss. St. and their involvement with Cams’s father.
Bazooka Joe
April 23rd, 2011
11:06 am
Hey War Eagle – whats your record against UGA lately ? Oooooh you won one out of 5, I’m impressed. You claim to be the equal of Bama, but you arent even as good as Troy much less Bama. Face the facts, you are at best a step child in the state of Alabama, always have been, always will be.
Bazooka Joe
April 23rd, 2011
11:11 am
The worst place in the SEC to see a game is in S. Alabama – went once, will never go to that cesspool again. Actually I think the state of Alabama should just tear the town down and start over.
Stating the Facts
April 23rd, 2011
10:48 pm
You see. “Internet Courtesy?” What a typical mental case this guy is. See there is not talking to him or about him, as he as completely lost it. Move on and get a grip on reality.
To those with more logical sense: Keep reading and you will find out that the articles being written are by main stream journalist who get it and are very unbiased writers and smell the rats that run the entire university at Auburn.
MikeP
April 23rd, 2011
11:12 pm
Bazooka Joe says: “You claim to be the equal of Bama, but you arent even as good as Troy much less Bama. Face the facts, you are at best a step child in the state of Alabama, always have been, always will be.”
Auburn has beaten bammer in seven of the last 9 Iron Bowls, 17 of the last 30. We don’t claim to be their equal, the facts state that Auburn is superior.
Hey Stating; Post a link to one “mainstream journalist” that has proof that the Auburn football program has committed a major violation since 1991. I’ll wait but not hold my breath, because you won’t find one. No proof, just the whining of envious fans from rival teams.
Stating the Facts
April 24th, 2011
10:55 am
Everyone on here wishes you would hold your breath.
As for the superior statement about anyone….including UGA or Alabama. Auburn will always be known for winning two national titles with both being used with paid players. 57 AND 2010.
http://atlanta.sbnation.com/georgia-bulldogs/2011/4/14/2111493/a-helpful-index-of-auburn-football-scandals-and-investigations
http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/college/football/newton_scandal_could_turn_college_k23ptxpnciNTAqIlAD8M4I
http://www.businessinsider.com/jordan-spriggs-auburn-twitter-cheating-2011-2
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5703951
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20022371-504083.html
http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-football/story/2011-03-31/not-entitled-to-enjoy-it-scandal-has-tainted-auburn-crown
http://www.cfbdailynews.com/sec/jim-tressel-fiesta-bowl-auburn-football-and-latest-college-football-scandals/
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/14/sports/ncaafootball/14auburn.html
http://www.banditref.com/2011/03/auburn-and-ohio-state-are-college.html
http://dev.chuckoliver.net/2011/03/this-week-in-scandal-auburn-dumpling-gang-rides-again/
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=ycn-8187987
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/2011-01-10-bcs-auburn-oregon-tcu_N.htm
5 PP Winners, 3 for local sports writers, 2 national writers of the year.
These guys get PAID for their writing and have editors.
End of conversation and Good day to a guy who is the pond scum of the blogs- Mike P.
David0
April 24th, 2011
1:09 pm
Disappointing though it may be to some of you, it’s pretty clear that Cecil realized he couldn’t let Cam sign with MSU after they offered money, so Cam went to Auburn. As for the $30,000 or so for the church, Cam’s brother, Cecil Newton, Jr., made the roster his second year for the Jacksonville Jaguars. He would have received somewhere in the $350,000 to 450,000 for signing. He told the building code council in a public meeting that he would pay for the repairs, well before Cam signed with Auburn. So that isn’t an issue.
David0
April 24th, 2011
1:13 pm
@Tellthetruth, Auburn charged $5.00 for spring game in 2010, the same as in 2011. Maybe you are not enjoying Auburn’s victorious year as BCS champs, but Auburn fans are.
Monkey Says
April 24th, 2011
9:46 pm
Here is someones answer to all the BS that CAM & CECIL NEWTON are hiding behind.
http://www.camnewtonliedetector.com/
Monkey Says
April 24th, 2011
9:48 pm
And will be many many many years before Auburn has another year like this past one.
Get used to losing more than you win in the SEC. A 5-7- or 6-6 season is more and more likely.
Stating the Facts
April 24th, 2011
10:07 pm
I guess Forbes Magazine is a local yocal publication that warrants no merits?
http://blogs.forbes.com/walterpavlo/2011/04/04/taylor-bean-chairman-on-trial-along-with-colonial-bank-and-auburn-university/
New York City? Yep, even they are writing about the sleezy behavior surrounding Auburn and their fraud programs.
Stating the Facts
April 24th, 2011
10:09 pm
Even before the Cam Newton stuff, TIME Magazine was questioning the relationships with Bobby Lowder and his financing at Auburn.
http://curiouscapitalist.blogs.time.com/2009/08/14/what-will-the-colonial-bank-failure-mean-for-auburn-football/
Stating the Facts
April 24th, 2011
10:12 pm
And here is an Auburn Graduate…and the beat goes around Auburn University and the leaders and their relationships with Colonial Bank…
http://williambruce.wordpress.com/2011/03/06/colonial-bank-fraud-investigation-continues/
Stating the Facts
April 24th, 2011
10:13 pm
A former Auburn Interim Head Coach:
http://www.auburn.edu/student_info/plainsman/archives/99SP/0527/0527foliverlawsuit.html
MikeP
April 25th, 2011
10:41 am
From Forbes: “related to payments possibly made to Auburn Tiger quarterback Cam Newton (Heisman Trophy winner). However, it probably doesn’t look good when your top player is suspected of taking payments when so many alums are affiliated with a now defunct bank.”
Stating, it appears that your reading comprehension is not so hot. I requested one single bit of PROOF. Do you not see the words “possibly”, “probably” and “suspected” in the Forbes article? And that’s just one small slice of it. That article is like so many others, he wrote something and stuck Auburn’s name in there to try to get more readers. People like to read about a winner, and Auburn is the champ.
Another of your links goes to background information about a lawsuit from 13 years ago. A lawsuit filed by a former assistant coach that didn’t get the head coaching job. A lawsuit that was tossed out of court. What’s that got to do with anything?
Your inability to provide one smidgen of actual evidence proves my point. All this stuff about Auburn is nothing but the whining of jealous fans from rival schools. When faced with “put up or shut up” there’s nothing they can do except slink away.
The attempts to claim that the downfall of Colonial Bank somehow reflects on Auburn are humorous. A bank failed. So what? Auburn has no control over bank failures, and that bank has no control over Auburn. Grasp at straws much?
Stating the Facts
April 25th, 2011
11:16 am
Mike P . yOU got slammed and now you want to change the argument. You said no respected journalist or writer had covered the Auburn program, that Colonial Bank, the Trial of Lee Farkas, the indictments of Gambling were related to Auburn and I proved you wrong on every account. You must be a woman, because that is what women do, lose their own point, then want to change the argument. You are a terrible debater and it is shown in your cut and paste approach.
From this day forward Mike P, do not address me, I have a business to run and do not have time to deal with people who are illogical and too stubborn to face the real world and the reality that comes along with it. By the way I coud have posted another 100 articles to prove my point but it gets no where with you. If you were a realist you could easily see how the Bank Failure at Colonial Bank is directly related to Auburn University and there are many many articles written by respected journalist who have done a good job of pointing those out.
The point of the article from 13 years ago was to demonstrate how Bobby Lowder is a micromanager and RUNS the Auburn program ( especially the Athletic /Football Franchise) I could have added the Paul Kennedy interview with Terry Bowden but I knew you had already dismissed that as fiction while everyone else knows it to be the truth. I could have posted the comments by Urban Meyer and Phil Fulmer made in the past year discussing the Auburn recruiting practices they have witnessed and the sleeze factor of it.
One more thing, Your go to argument is show the proof. That is your final argument. Well SON, and BOY. that is not my job, my point was to show you and everyone else that writes, covers and reports from sports, to financials, to recruiting, to mortgages all recognize the way Auburn does business. Time is on our side and the NCAA and FBI are actively doing a great job of their investigations ( mulitple) and the truth is coming out. As much as it will hurt you, it will make you a better man and maybe it will make you grow into a man.
May be a Long Long Season
April 25th, 2011
1:48 pm
Haven’t you guys learned by now that Mike P is a total RETARDED Auburn never attended the school, never played a down of high school, wanna be sports writer who thinks Auburn is right and everyone else is wrong goof ball. Just tune this blow hard ” Proof. Proof Proof spouting idiot off.
Former AU Cheerleader
April 25th, 2011
1:58 pm
As a former cheerleader at Auburn in the early 80’s, and with a husband who played at Auburn in the 80’s, with children now attending Auburn, I am as proud of our school for winning it “ALL” as anyone. I am yet holding my breath as my husband reminds me of what he saw while he was at Auburn and what our son who plays tennis at Auburn has seen in the past 2 years in relation to preferential treatment for football players at Auburn. We as parent, alumni, and former scholarship members of the Auburn family are disgusted with the way the University is held captive by a small group of men who treat the football team and program as their “NFL” team. We attend many many functions at Auburn and we personally hear the rumblings and believe you me when I say a great deal of us are holding our breath and still smell something is rotten in our beautiful campus and until we get some resolution( whether good or bad) we will stay under the heavy hand of the NCAA.
We attended a tennis match last week and a Alumni Meeting and it was announced that you know who was reappointed to the BOT. We all just laughed and the rumblings began about how the Investigations will continue to grow and the program will inevidently suffer from so many people who make decisions that are not always the best for our proud school.
War Eagle and lets move on from the Cam Newton era. His era is over, but it may haunt us in the future, but we will have to pay if the allegations are true as they grow daily.
MikeP
April 25th, 2011
9:49 pm
Stating the Facts
April 25th, 2011
11:16 am
“Mike P . yOU got slammed and now you want to change the argument. You said no respected journalist or writer had covered the Auburn program,…”
I said no such thing. Here’s exactly what I said, copied and pasted from my comments of April 23, 11:12 PM :”Hey Stating; Post a link to one “mainstream journalist” that has proof that the Auburn football program has committed a major violation since 1991.”
Are you really that poor at reading comprehension, or do you just change things around to suit your purposes? Note the phrase “mainstream journalist that has proof”..When are you going to come up with one?
Here’s something else you wrote:
Stating the Facts
April 25th, 2011
11:16 am
..” that Colonial Bank, the Trial of Lee Farkas, the indictments of Gambling were related to Auburn and I proved you wrong on every account.”
How did you get the strange idea that those things are related to Auburn? And where do you get the even more strange idea that you have somehow proven that those things are related to Auburn?
Two Auburn graduates are related to some of those things. Auburn University has nothing to do with any of that. Dream and wish as you might, there is nothing pending against Auburn. Deal with reality for a change.
In conclusion, it’s not smart to try to put words in someone’s mouth when those words are posted in the same thread for all to see. Better to change your tactics than try to call somebody out for something they did not say when they can prove they didn’t say it.
MikeP
April 25th, 2011
9:57 pm
PS: Stating the Facts, please give me a link to Urban Meyer and Phil Fulmer naming Auburn as using sleezy recruiting tactics. Note: Nothing without the specific name “Auburn” qualifies. You claim direct quotes from those two naming Auburn.
Here’s a good chance for you to put up or shut up. My bet is on shutup.
Stating the Facts
April 25th, 2011
10:31 pm
Here dummy:
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/sports_college/2009/05/should-ncaa-investigate-auburns-white-stretch-limo.html