Georgia Tech’s coaching search: Won’t be much longer, folks
Gregg Marshall in his Winthrop days. I'm guessing he's high on Radakovich's list. (AP photo)
Perhaps you have questions about Georgia Tech’s coaching vacancy. You’re not alone. I do, too. The man who could answer them all — athletic director Dan Radakovich — isn’t talking, but in his stead I’ll offer what I know and what I’ve been given reason to believe. And, as a bonus, even a wild guess.
What’s taking so long?
Paul Hewitt was fired nearly two weeks ago. If Tech hasn’t interviewed anyone — and as of Wednesday morning, it hadn’t — it hasn’t been to heighten the drama. Most of the coaches in whom Tech has interest have teams still playing, which would only make sense. Wouldn’t want to hire someone whose team didn’t reach the postseason, would you?
When will interviews begin?
As soon as those coaches’ teams lose.
Does Tech have a short list? Is there a leading candidate?
Yes to the first. And if there’s a leading candidate, he hasn’t been identified by any outsider in position to know. Though it seems fair to guess that Chris Mooney of Richmond and Gregg Marshall of Wichita State — both of whose teams were still alive as of Wednesday – are obvious top-of-the-list possibilities, with Tommy Amaker of Harvard, Shaka Smart of VCU and Chris Mack of Xavier mixed in.
Why didn’t you include Brad Stevens of Butler?
He could have his pick of almost any job almost any year. There’s no guarantee he’ll ever leave Butler, and if he does there’s no reason to think Tech will be the destination.
What about Mark Price? What about Craig Neal? What about Kenny Anderson?
Tech has to know those distinguished alums have expressed interest in the job, and there would seem no percentage in not making some sort of contact with each. That said, it’s difficult to conceive of a scenario in which Radakovich’s first look wouldn’t be at candidates who are head coaches.
Is money a factor for Tech?
It is. Hewitt made $1.3 million; in hiring his successor, the Institute can’t go much above that. (Anthony Grant, by way of contrast, is making $1.8 million at Alabama. The big football schools can also afford to spend on basketball.) A key reason to focus on mid-major coaches is that they’re more apt to fall in Tech’s price range.
Will the searches of North Carolina State/Oklahoma/Missouri/Tennessee squeeze Tech?
All four will aim higher than a mid-major coach. (As did Arkansas, which just lured Mike Anderson from Missouri.) Rumored targets at N.C. State include Pitt’s Jamie Dixon and Arizona’s Sean Miller; Buzz Williams of Marquette is thought to be on Oklahoma’s list. Tennessee is looking to make a splash in finding Bruce Pearl’s replacement — AD Mike Hamilton has his own job to save — but might not be as attractive as Tech. The Vols, as you’ve heard, have NCAA issues.
Some have questioned whether Tech is a good job. Is there reason to believe no worthwhile candidate will say yes?
It’s in the ACC. It’s in the capital of a state that produces a ton of basketball talent. It can pay more than a million dollars a year, and in 2012 it will open a refurbished arena. More than a few accomplished mid-major coaches would take a charge from Shaquille O’Neal for the chance to work here.
Does Radakovich know what he’s doing?
Let’s recall his admission that he’d reached the decision to fire Hewitt three weeks before doing it. Does anyone think those three weeks were spent not mulling replacements? Let’s note that Radakovich made the considered decision not to employ Parker Executive Search, the Atlanta-based firm that does almost everyone’s coach-hunting now (including N.C. State’s and Georgia State’s), but to seek the counsel of Eddie Fogler, a former coach and a basketball lifer. Let’s also note that D-Rad’s first big hire — Parker Search assisted in that process, FYI — was Paul Johnson, and two years later the Jackets were playing in the Orange Bowl.
Radakovich has said he wants a coach in place by the Final Four, which convenes April 1 in Houston. Why?
Three reasons. First, it has become difficult for a high-profile AD to interview coaches in a city overrun by coaches — their annual convention is held concurrent with the Final Four — and media. Second, the convention would give the new Tech coach a chance to hire his staff, should the need occur. Third, Tech would like to take advantage of that media glut to get a little buzz going regarding its new man.
When should we expect D-Rad to have his man?
By this time next week, give or take a day.
Last question: Who will it be?
Just guessing, I’d say Mooney or Marshall. Just guessing, you hear?
By Mark Bradley
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Me
March 23rd, 2011
12:15 pm
Eddie Martin for coach at GT! Who knows the state better?
5150 UOAD
March 23rd, 2011
12:17 pm
Are you sure MB?
Jacket Man
March 23rd, 2011
12:20 pm
It’s Mooney. The announcement will take place after Richmond is out of the tourney and his buyout is worked out with Richmond. The salary issue has already been worked through.
Jacket Man
March 23rd, 2011
12:20 pm
If I were a betting man.
The Bees Nees
March 23rd, 2011
12:22 pm
I wouldn’t be disappointed with either, but would rather have Marshall.
Buzz
March 23rd, 2011
12:23 pm
SECOND…. AKA first loser!!!!!!!!
GT 88
March 23rd, 2011
12:23 pm
I want Chris Mack…but Mooney is my guess
Mark Bradley
March 23rd, 2011
12:24 pm
Am I sure? Were I sure, it wouldn’t be a guess.
Me Is Right
March 23rd, 2011
12:24 pm
It should be Eddie Martin. Give him a 1 year contract while the new arena is being built. Im sure he would take about a third of what Hewitt was making per year. He knows how to win, the players in the state know who he is, and he knows more about running a team than Paul Hewitt could ever dream of.
Buzz
March 23rd, 2011
12:24 pm
I wish they would at least take a shot at Brad Stevens!!!!!!
Georgia Saturdays...Built Smartcar Tough™
March 23rd, 2011
12:24 pm
The $$ might surprise ya’, mark. Just sayin’.
DawginLex
March 23rd, 2011
12:25 pm
Mike anderson going to Arkansas from reports being seen
GTT
March 23rd, 2011
12:29 pm
What’s the deal with Craig Neal, why no sniffs from Tech or anybody else with a vacancy. Is he not head coach material?
Mark Bradley
March 23rd, 2011
12:31 pm
I wouldn’t assume that Neal won’t get a sniff from Tech.
Mark Bradley
March 23rd, 2011
12:32 pm
But I do think Radakovich’s preference would be to hire a current head coach.
juvenal
March 23rd, 2011
12:35 pm
JUST HAVE TO SEE IF DADGUM HAS ANY UPDATES…….
Pull My Finger
March 23rd, 2011
12:40 pm
Jody Travis is DA MAN!!………..and at a bargain price!
spider
March 23rd, 2011
12:43 pm
NOODLES shoud be the number 1 on the list, he has been a great asst to steve alford for several years and has said publically that GT is his school and his dream job. also im trying to think of any player we have ever had that played with so much spirit for GT.
derek
March 23rd, 2011
12:45 pm
Big news in the next week. It will be Mark Price. A visionary pick and one guaranteed to excite the fan base. Arena will be rocking next year if Price comes–and he will. Done deal.
William Satterwhite
March 23rd, 2011
12:45 pm
GTT, assistant coaches rarely get “big” jobs, usually they need to start at a mid-major and work their way up. Usually the assistants that do land a first-time big job come from big time programs- Roy Williams from UNC, all of Coach K’s pupils (Amaker, Snyder, Dawkins, etc…). It’s not that Neal isn’t head coach material, he just has to work his way up the ladder and being an assistant at New Mexico just doesn’t cut it. He might be a more attractive candidate if Alford and he had stuck around at Iowa but even that would be a stretch. The best thing for Neal would be to find an attractive mid-major to get a head coaching job to build up his resume
Benjamin
March 23rd, 2011
12:47 pm
Give me Mooney with Price, Anderson, and Neal as assistants. What, college basketball coaches don’t operate by fantasy baseball rules?
Mark Bradley
March 23rd, 2011
12:48 pm
I’m a big fan of Craig Neal’s and have written as much. If given the opportunity, I think he’d succeed. But he is an assistant coach. That’s a high hurdle.
William Satterwhite
March 23rd, 2011
12:51 pm
Marshall or Mooney would be perfect, I’d be ecstatic if Tech landed either one. I think Shaka smart might end up being the top guy out of this class down the line but he’s too risky of a proposition at this point, he has no real track record. He’d be a perfect choice for Tennessee, with the Pearl mess they’re in a position where they can afford to take a chance on a riskier bet.
GT hulk
March 23rd, 2011
12:51 pm
Still would like a shot at a Duke assistant—they learn from a super coach, academics are high, wants good 4 year players and know what winning is about–every year, Duke is in the NCAA
Mark Bradley
March 23rd, 2011
12:54 pm
That said, GT hulk, the track record of Duke assistants isn’t great: Quin Snyder, fired at Missouri; Tommy Amaker, fired at Michigan; Johnny Dawkins, so-so at Stanford.
Mike Brey has done well — well, as opposed to great — at Notre Dame.
CJ
March 23rd, 2011
12:59 pm
Mark, I’ve heard that boosters are willing to give up to $2.5 mil a year for a head coach. I think that kind of money can compete with the bigger schools.
GT hulk
March 23rd, 2011
1:02 pm
Mark, you just shot my choices down, good update.
Dollar Bill
March 23rd, 2011
1:04 pm
My only question on Marshall is why did NCSU not hire him back in 2006 when he was at Winthrop?
We already have a deal with Mooney anyway. Interesting to see who UT and NCSU will get.
GT in CT
March 23rd, 2011
1:04 pm
Would Craig Neal make a lateral move and become Tech’s assistant coach if the new head coach were looking for one? A two-fer!
spider
March 23rd, 2011
1:04 pm
so mark, what you are saying is that all the great coaches went right from the womb to head coaching jobs and never were asst coaches???
Mark Bradley
March 23rd, 2011
1:06 pm
Good question about Marshall. But let’s note how well that Wolfpack hire fared.
Tech Forever
March 23rd, 2011
1:07 pm
GT hulk
Lets look at them shall we?
Amaker – average at best at Seton Hall and run out of Ann Arbor
Bender – run out of Washington
Brey – good career numbers but severely underachieves in the NIT and NCAAs
Capel – run out of Norman
Dawkins – treading water at Stanford…has a great team returning for next year though
Henderson – run out of Delaware
Snyder – run out of Columbia
The track record is not nearly as rosy as you think. I wouldn’t touch one of K’s assistants with a 10 foot pole.
SteveGR
March 23rd, 2011
1:07 pm
33rd!!!
Mark Bradley
March 23rd, 2011
1:08 pm
No, spider. What I’m saying is that most big-time head coaches took jobs — as head coaches — at smaller schools first. Jim Boeheim is an exception. Roy Williams is an exception. Denny Crum was an exception. But there aren’t that many.
Tech Forever
March 23rd, 2011
1:09 pm
GT in CT
No. If the new coach is successful it all but guarantees Neal wouldn’t be in line for the Tech HC job for 5+ seasons. He’d be better off getting a job in the Atlantic 10 and then moving into the next Tech job. In fact if his agent is smart as soon as Tech hires somebody he’ll have Neal on a plane to that very abandoned location.
Mark Bradley
March 23rd, 2011
1:09 pm
I don’t believe Jeff Capel coached under Kzyzewski. Played under him, yes.
SOUTH GA DAWG FAN
March 23rd, 2011
1:11 pm
the hire might be after the final four if the new coach is coaching in the final four, hey richmond could make the final four they might as well since my bracket is destroyed Mark is even ahead of me .
Tech Forever
March 23rd, 2011
1:11 pm
Mark
Good point but Boeheim and crum came up when the game was very different and was in fact a game….and not a business. Roy Williams is a tru exception but lets be honest, the man has the best coaching pedigree in the history of college basketball coaches.
Tech Forever
March 23rd, 2011
1:12 pm
Mark
You’re right. He worked for his Dad at ODU. But still, he’s a K disciple.
85' Bears
March 23rd, 2011
1:12 pm
I know he is old, but Larry Brown wants to get back into coaching. Will he be here 10 years or more, probaly not. Yet, I am pretty sure he will be the best three year coach Tech ever had.
Delbert D.
March 23rd, 2011
1:14 pm
UT needs to hire a disposable coach to carry them through the post-Pearl NCAA sanctions years.
GT hulk
March 23rd, 2011
1:14 pm
Tech Forever, my choices are never good anyway, I thought Bill Lewis was a good choice and O’Leary a bad one. Didnt care for PJ til he beat UGA the first year, but now I wonder if he chokes against UGA now
Delbert D.
March 23rd, 2011
1:16 pm
85′ Bears – Larry Brown would be a good UT hire for 2-3 years. Big name, and the radioactive environment wouldn’t faze him at all.
Tech Forever
March 23rd, 2011
1:16 pm
Dollar Bill
Easy answer. Up in The Triangle State has the athletic inferiority complex to Duke and UNC (especially UNC). In 2006 Marshall coming out of Winthrop doesn’t make a splash in their eyes when standing next to Williams and K. The two finalists for the job, Barnes and State hero Lowe, did.
William Satterwhite
March 23rd, 2011
1:18 pm
Dollar Bill, Winthrop plays in one of the weakest conferences in D1 basketball so Marshall’s accomplishments there were rightfully questioned when it came to his suitability to be a head coach in a top league like the ACC. While there are exceptions here or there, generally a coach has to follow the path Marshall has taken- lower level mid-major coach to upper level mid-major and then up to a top school. Marshall’s accomplishments at Winthrop showed he was good enough to build a program that could dominate other programs who barely care about competing in basketball, he still had to show what he could do against stiffer competition before getting the big promotion.
Tech Forever
March 23rd, 2011
1:19 pm
GT hulk
There is no choking against UGA. Georgia is Georgia. The last 45 years have not given us one reason to believe Tech can compete with UGA consistently on the football field, for various very real reasons. I love to beat Georgia when Tech does, but I never predict it.
Mark Bradley
March 23rd, 2011
1:19 pm
I agree, Tech Forever. You have to go back a ways to find a true career assistant getting a chance at a big-time job. Unless you count Bill Guthridge.
Mark Bradley
March 23rd, 2011
1:20 pm
An athletic director — not Dan Radakovich, I must state — told me two weeks ago that the best mid-major coach in the nation is Gregg Marshall.
Tech Fan
March 23rd, 2011
1:24 pm
Doug Gotlieb said it will be Mooney on a radio show Monday. Scott Van Pelt re-iterated it yesterday. So, I will go with them.
Mark Bradley
March 23rd, 2011
1:27 pm
Didn’t Gotlieb also say Tubby Smith would take this job?
Tech Fan
March 23rd, 2011
1:27 pm
LOL, I think so Mark.
DawginLex
March 23rd, 2011
1:28 pm
The funniest list is the “top 5 candidates” to be pursued by Tennessee.
Jamie Dixon
Jay Wright
Anthony Grant
Gregg Marshall
Mark Turgeon
Can you see any of them leaving where they are to go to that crapfest with an AD who has numbered days???
Mark Bradley
March 23rd, 2011
1:29 pm
Not trying to pick on Gotlieb, you understand. I think there’s a good chance it will be Mooney.
Dollar Bill
March 23rd, 2011
1:30 pm
On a side note – Gregg Marshall and Bobby Cremins match up tonight in the NIT at 7:00 PM.
I believe they share a common dubious distinction of accepting a job at another school – Marshall at College of Charleston and Cremins at University of South Carolina – and then backing out after they woke up the next morning.
Mark Bradley
March 23rd, 2011
1:30 pm
No way on Dixon or Wright, DawginLex. Can’t see it re:Grant and Turgeon. Maybe Marshall.
Tech Forever
March 23rd, 2011
1:30 pm
Mark
I’d rather have Marshall over Mooney. And I don’t count Guthridge. He was 60 when he got the UNC job and I’ve always felt he just bit his time under Dean wishing for the opportunity….even if it was for only a seasons or two. As it turned out he got his dream job for 3 very successful seasons and retired on his terms. I’ve always respected coaches like him, Dick Lebeau, Bud Foster, guys who are happy right where they are.
T3
March 23rd, 2011
1:31 pm
Wes Durham made an interesting comment yesterday on 790 that
when he asked a well-informed and well-connected friend who KNOWS college sports;
Durham’s friend said the that GT is a better job than NCSU by a very wide margin.
Durham said his friend stated that if you asked 100 D1 B-Ball coaches which job
they would prefer, only 30% would say the NCSU job is better than the GT job. I agree.
At NCSU, it will be VERY tough to have to compete IN-STATE
with Roy Willaims at UNC and Coach K at Duke.
GT doesnt have that problem.
And besides, Atlanta > Raleigh.
The “TOP” candiate I have been referring to is Jamie Dixon at Pitt.
Dixon’s resume is simply incredible. Just do a Wiki search for Jamie Dixon at read his accomplisments. WOW !
So, why would Jamie Dixon even consider leaving PItt for another job?
What “future” does PItt have?
Pitt can be considered “second-tier” in the Big East, when compared to the
rest of the Big East like UConn, Georgetown, Syracuse, Villanova, Louisville.
Pitt is desparately trying to hold on to Dixon. But they cant. Dixon has reached the ceiling on
what he can accomplish at Pitt, and what Pitt can afford to pay him. Dixon is actually paid by the State of Pennsylvania (which in case you havent noticed) is bankrupt.
Just like I said EXACTLY 2 years ago (before the people of Wisconsin began revolting over budget cuts) the Upper Midwest, from Pennsylvania to Minnesota, is in SEVERE economic crisis.
That means, the BIG10 Conference has a MAJOR MAJOR MAJOR financial crisis coming.
Sure the BIG10 makes lots of money. Well, today they do.
Next year,, the year after that, not really..
You can not support a PUBLIC university system very well, if your STATE is going bankrupt.
If the STATE is going down, it will take its public university system down with it.
And, citizens of bankrupt states, by FEWER tickets, and usually TURN OFF their cable.
Result: Bye Bye BIG10 revenue.
Doesnt matter how much money the BIG10 is making, if their member universities
are in STATE BUDGET CRISIS, then slowly but surely the member universities will begin
cutting back in EVERY SINGLE AREA, including Athletics.
Need proof? Just look at the states of Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania,
and Wisconsin. ALL in MAJOR STATE BUDGET CRISES.
So, back to Jamie Dixon…..
Why would ANY D1 coach in the Upper Midwest (BIG10 country)
NOT want to leave that area of the country for a new, more promising, and MORE SECURE
opportunity, for the SAME or even only slightly better money??
Why do hundred of people move FROM those states every single day to the South.
Better opportunities. Coaches are no different.
This also fits with rumors that D-Rad might be interested in Michigan’s B-Ball coach, Jim Beiline.
I, for one, think both Dixon and Beiline would definitely jump to GT if offered the job.
Think this all sounds crazy? It’s not.
BIG10 Comissioner Jim Delaney stated the EXACT SAME THING
in 2010 during all the conference alignment “mayhem.” That the “growth” of the country was definitely SOUTH.
So, here’s where the jaw-dropping bombshell gets dropped:
When a Jamie Dixon at PItt or a Jim Beiline at Michigan, or another D1 B-Ball coach from BIG10 or BIG EAST country “abandons” their current coaching job for (at the SAME or SLIGHTLY BETTER pay) for a B-Ball coaching job much further south, then it will mark a WATERSHED MOMENT is college sports, as the “exodus” of coaching, talent, and other university talent begins the wholesale abandonment of the Upper Midwest for warmer opprtunities in the Southern US.
It will be a CULTURAL LANDMARK event in almost every way.
So, we wait……for the future to present itself..
Mark Bradley
March 23rd, 2011
1:31 pm
That’s true, Dollar Bill.
I believe Dana Altman did the same at Arkansas a few years ago. And Larry Brown at Davidson many years ago.
Tech Fan
March 23rd, 2011
1:32 pm
Gotleib does have an awesome ring tone, so you have to cut him some slack
Sonny Clusters
March 23rd, 2011
1:34 pm
We was asked to reserve the banquet room at the Dairy Queen for the big announcement and welcoming party. We aren’t supposed to tell who Tech is hiring, though.
Money is off
March 23rd, 2011
1:34 pm
Yo do not even begin to understand the money situation. Certain GT Alumni most certainly can and will provide for whatever cash is needed in a situation such as this.
Having said that, if GT had it’s pick of Dixon, Miller, Buzz, and Mooney, I think DRad might still perfer Mooney over those other guys regardless of the money. And FWIW it is going to be Mooney who gets the job.
Mark Bradley
March 23rd, 2011
1:34 pm
I’m not sure Georgia Tech has the monetary resources North Carolina State does. That’s a school that has a rich basketball heritage — two NCAA titles — and isn’t afraid to get excited about the sport.
William Satterwhite
March 23rd, 2011
1:35 pm
DawginLex, if Marshall didn’t get one of the other big jobs out there and Tennessee offered him their position, he would take it. As crappy a situation as it might be right now, you simply don’t turn down an opportunity to move from Wichita State up to a big time school.
juvenal
March 23rd, 2011
1:36 pm
3 simulblogs on this…wish football would get here……
Mark Bradley
March 23rd, 2011
1:36 pm
Let’s recall that Georgia Tech also has to pay Paul Hewitt $7 million not to coach. That’s got to some from some of those alums, does it not?
Tech Forever
March 23rd, 2011
1:37 pm
Jamie Dixon? No way. We’d win a lot of games November through February and then become exactly what Pitt has become; the worldbeater who can’t close the deal in March. No thanks. Jamie Dixon gets outcoached nearly every season come tourney time when his team has to perform on the road and he’d not seeing the same teams over and over again.
Tech Forever
March 23rd, 2011
1:38 pm
Now Dixon’s mentor Howland? I’d be all about getting Ben Howland!!!
steve brown
March 23rd, 2011
1:39 pm
Is there something medically wrong with you today? First you say Josh Smith is one of the NBA’s most talented players (this comment makes me physically ill) and now you state that the Hewitt only made $1.3 million. You have failed to include his firing bonus over the length of his tenure. I’m sure this puts Hewitt somewhere near $2 million per year but I don’t want to tax your brain today.
Mark Bradley
March 23rd, 2011
1:39 pm
I like Jamie Dixon. (Saw him in Mass last year in Milwaukee with his wife.) I think he’s a fine coach. But he has become a March jinx.
Mark Bradley
March 23rd, 2011
1:40 pm
Hewitt’s annual salary was $1.3 million. To fire him, Tech had to pay him roughly five times that — ergo, $7 million. He was not, however, earning $2 million a year.
Tech Forever
March 23rd, 2011
1:42 pm
steve brown
Hewitt’s buyout is $7.2M over 5 years…..$1.44M per year.
Mark Bradley
March 23rd, 2011
1:42 pm
But you know, Tech Forever, UCLA fans are getting antsy because Ben Howland hasn’t won a national championship. Different perspective there.
Jimmy
March 23rd, 2011
1:44 pm
Any mention of Donnie Tyndall from Morehead State? He would fit well in GT Price range and is a proven recruiter and winner?
Delbert D.
March 23rd, 2011
1:45 pm
Pitt is 2nd tier in the Big East? In 8 years under Dixon, they’ve finished 1st twice and tied for 2nd twice. 3 times to the Sweet Sixteen and once to the Elite Eight.
Tech Forever
March 23rd, 2011
1:47 pm
Mark
I know. And I’ll say right now the same thing I’ve said for years; if Wooden had to coach through a 64 team field back then his record today is nowhere near what it is and the UCLA expectation is more down to Earth. Which is also why I think Kentucky fans are far further off the reservation with their expectations than Duke or UNC fans.
Paul in RDU
March 23rd, 2011
1:47 pm
I don’t count Bill Gutheridge in the list of assistant coaches who were promoted to HC. Dean Smith retired in October 1997, not long before practice started. UNC had no choice but to promote Gutheridge – which is exactly why Dean resigned at that time.
NCSU has more money to spend on b’ball than GT – much, much, bigger arena, more passionate fans, more important local bragging rights
Mark Bradley
March 23rd, 2011
1:48 pm
Regarding Donnie Tyndall: Here we get into the difference between a mid-major and a high mid-major. Richmond and Wichita State are among the latter; Morehead State is among the former. I can see an ACC program hiring from Richmond; I can’t see it hiring from Morehead.
And I mean no disrespect to Morehead. I spent a lot of time on that campus growing up — Maysville was 45 miles away — and have covered a game there.
Tech Forever
March 23rd, 2011
1:48 pm
Mark
I’ll add that those people at UCLA have also forgotten that Wooden was the HC at UCLA for 15 or 16 seasons before he won his first National Championship.
Dollar Bill
March 23rd, 2011
1:49 pm
Tyndall has been discussed on here but school is on probation under his watch – one more year I believe – minor stuff – and he owned up to it even though it may have been an assistant.
He also just upped with Morehead State for another 4 years at $230,000 a year. If he was going anywhere, I don’t think he would have signed the contract.
Mark Bradley
March 23rd, 2011
1:49 pm
I can’t see Jamie Dixon leaving Pitt for Georgia Tech. Maybe for N.C. State, but that’s a big maybe.
Paul in RDU
March 23rd, 2011
1:51 pm
@T3
Interesting socio-econominc post you have there.
If I follow your logic on what’s going to happen to the Big 10 and Big East, I guess when Norm Sloan left NCSU to go to Florida it demonstrated that the ACC was doomed.
Tech Forever
March 23rd, 2011
1:53 pm
Going by the numbers Jamie Dixon is the 11th WORST active coach when it comes to the NCAA Tournament. Ben Howland is the 11th best.
Tech Forever
March 23rd, 2011
1:53 pm
Paul in RDU
And Barnes from Clemson to Texas.
T3
March 23rd, 2011
1:53 pm
Delbert:
Thank you fo rmaking my point about Jamie Dixon.
It’s Jamie Dixon that brought Pitt those resutls when he arrived in 2003.
PItt was a relatively B-Ball back-water in the Big East…..UNTIL…..Jamie Dixon arived.
As for Dixon having a “March jinx,” how about K-A-N-S-A-S as a “March jinx?”
Chris
March 23rd, 2011
1:55 pm
For those clamoring for Price or Neal, consider what just happened at NCSU. Beloved point guard, this one with a national championship and NBA head coaching experience, did not work out. And, given the special relationship, they had to wait 5 years to fire him.
So, like a lolipop, hiring the hometown hero is sweet on the way in and sticky on the way out.
Delbert D.
March 23rd, 2011
1:56 pm
Tech once hired a guy from Siena College. Are they a low mid-major, or mid-mid-minor, or what?
William Satterwhite
March 23rd, 2011
1:58 pm
Siena is a true mid-major, they are square in the middle of the non-power 6 leagues.
Paul in RDU
March 23rd, 2011
1:58 pm
Tech Forever,
Good point on Barnes going from Clemson to Texas, but a case can be made that making that move was a step up. Going from NCSU to UF in 1980 was definitely not.
T3
March 23rd, 2011
2:00 pm
Paul in RDU
Dont be a doofus.
We’re talking MAJOR, UNDENIABLE soci-economic trends…already in motion.
Jobs and opportunity are leaving BIG10 country in DROVES to move the the South.
Tampa and Atlanta have the LARGEST collection of BIG10 alumni clubs, anywhere in the country.
THAT by itself should tell you just about everythng.
BTW, want to know who Dixon’s boss was at PItt? Ben Howland.
Delbert D.
March 23rd, 2011
2:01 pm
Name a head coach on Tech’s short list that set a school record for assists and graduated magna cum laude.
Braves Fan
March 23rd, 2011
2:02 pm
Who cares?
Paul in RDU
March 23rd, 2011
2:02 pm
There’s an interesting article in the Raleigh N&O this morning on coaches in the ACC.
In 1980 NCSU hired V and Cuke hired K. Since their hires there have only been 7 coaches who won 90 ACC regular season games – K, V, Dean Smith, Roy Williams, Gary Williams, Dave Odom and Bobby Cremins.
Skip Prosser (52-44 when he died) would have made it and Leonard Hamilton will likely make it (68-76), but that’s a pretty short list.
Paul in RDU
March 23rd, 2011
2:03 pm
T3
Why are you posting on this blog? With your supernatural powers of reading the future you should be on E-Trade.
Mark Bradley
March 23rd, 2011
2:03 pm
Shaka Smart, Delbert.
WnE
March 23rd, 2011
2:04 pm
Using Coach Kung Fu Panda and his team getting man-handled in the Orange bowl by a Big-Ten Team is no indicator that DRad can make a great hire for an ACC B-Ball coach.
The ACC in B-Ball is a much different animal than is the ACC in FB which is about a scintilla above the Big (L)East as a FB Conf.
It is also greatly over-stated about the GT B-Ball job being a great one due to the great Talent in Ga.
Great HS B-Ball talent in Ga. doesn’t have any connection with GT sports, an occasional one-and-done doesn’t prove that GT can take advantage of the local HS talent in the Atl. Area.
Even if Dwight Howard or Josh Smith had gone to College neither of them would have gone to GT, Howard was headed to UNC-Chapel Hill had he gone to College.
GT Sports are about #7 or #8 in the pecking order of perceived importance among the big-time Recruits in both B-ball and in FB, this is WHY guys like Mike Anderson would rather stay at Mizzou or go to Arkansas rather than come to GT and try to Recruit here in Atl., the B-Ball players out of Memphis pine to go to Arkansas to play B-Ball, but the that same phenomenon does NOT exist with most elite B-Ball players that come out of Atlanta in most cases they only choose GT as a fall-back rather than the College they grew up dreaming to play for.
Most of the up-and-comers, even at the mid-major level KNOW this about GT, which is why so many of these HCs are slow to react to GT’s job opening.
Delbert D.
March 23rd, 2011
2:05 pm
Blurb on CNN last night about Detroit having lost 25% of its population during the recession. I’m guessing they didn’t move to Ann Arbor or East Lansing.
Tech Forever
March 23rd, 2011
2:10 pm
Jamie Dixon’s NCAA record is a JOKE….not a jinx.
Three Sweet 16s??? Nope….only two; 2004 with Howland’s team and 2007. In both tourneys he was 3 seed so a Sweet 16 is respectable.
In 2009, he was the 4th #1 seed and made the Elite 8…..respectable.
2005 – 9 seed; 1st round loss….no problem with that
2006 – 5 seed; 2nd round loss to a 13 seed…….nice
2008 – 4 seed; hammered by Michigan State in the second…..vs. Izzo? Almost not even a fair fight.
2010 – 3 seed. 2nd round loss to 6 seed……mid-major 6 seed.
2011 – 1 seed; 2nd round loss to an 8 seed……vs. Stevens? Again, not a fair fight.
Paul in RDU
March 23rd, 2011
2:10 pm
Delbert
They didn’t move to Flint or Midland either
gdawginkalamazoo
March 23rd, 2011
2:14 pm
Hey Mark, Just curious. Are you related to Gregg Marshall? From that picture and your photo above…..
Mark Bradley
March 23rd, 2011
2:15 pm
We’re not related, kalamazoo. I’m old enough to be his dad, though.
Delbert D.
March 23rd, 2011
2:16 pm
Dixon’s Sweet Sixteens:
2003-04
2006-07
2008-09
Elite Eight:
2008-09
Ted M
March 23rd, 2011
2:17 pm
Why not Bruce Pearl? disgraced coaches always resurface. Look at John Calipari.
We can get him cheap. He can win. He can revitalize the program. His past will soon be forgotten.
Why not Bruce Pearl?
gdawginkalamazoo
March 23rd, 2011
2:18 pm
Delbert D. Nor did they move to Kalamazoo. Michigan, I believe, is the only state to have a decrease in population for the last census. Actually I think Detroit lost more than that. Hell you can buy a house for a dollar. I think everybody decided to go to Ohio and get a cheeseburger at McDonald’s and not come back.
Mark Bradley
March 23rd, 2011
2:19 pm
Bruce Pearl might not be able to coach in college for a while once the NCAA gets through with him. (It’s called a “show-cause” penalty, meaning any school wanting to hire such a coach would have to show cause why permission should be granted, which it never is.) He’s radioactive.
T3
March 23rd, 2011
2:22 pm
Uh-oh. WnE just showed up.
Here comes the Hater-Ade.
gdawginkalamazoo
March 23rd, 2011
2:23 pm
Ted M, his record at UT was fantastic 6 years of dancing, 5 20+ win seasons, 19 wins this year. Why the hell did he goof that up by lying to the NCAA?
black1
March 23rd, 2011
2:25 pm
J. Capel would be a great choice. How about Mike Anderson!!! Eddie Martin, plz is way overrrrrrrrrated!!! Oh yea, guess he can recruit legally now that he’s at GAC!!!
and that's because ....
March 23rd, 2011
2:25 pm
@WnE… most highly-recruited GA High school basketball players, and particularly those in Atlanta, are just not smart enough to get into GT. That’s just the way it is. GT is a difficult academic environment in the middle of one of the WORST and least-intelligent grade school systems in the country. THAT is why there are not many Atlanta HS basketball players who go to GT.
The “one-and-done’s” who DO go there are one-and-done because they’re using GT as a stepping stone to the NBA AND because they know they can’t handle the academics. Derek Favors was there for 9 months and never even unpacked … prime example.
Same scenario for Football. Now I’m sure you’ll spew out all kinds of rubbish and self-induced logic for us about how GT has no basis for claiming difficult academics as an obstacle for Sports success … but you KNOW its true. By contrast, your beloved UGA is a breeding ground for pandering to stupidity, over-inflated egos and lost potential … and its that kind of environment where most of today’s “student-athletes” feel right at home.
WnE
March 23rd, 2011
2:27 pm
re:
T3
March 23rd, 2011
2:22 pm
_____________
What you call “Hater-ade”, I call FACTS!
Quite simply, is my version of the facts wrong?
steve brown
March 23rd, 2011
2:28 pm
You need to take an accounting course so as to understand amortization-you only want to count what you want to count so as to prove your meaningless (on a number of counts) point. It just might make sense to add up his total pay from Ga Tech and divide by the number of years he coached to get the actual figure-but I don’t want to confuse you with how it is actually done.
NeedACoach.com
March 23rd, 2011
2:29 pm
I vote for Mark Price, Head Coach; Dennis Scott Asst Coach & National Recruiter and Half Time Updates; James Forest Asst Coach and In-State Recruiter; John Salley Brooklyn Recruiter; Kenny Anderson Queens Recruiter, Craig Neal, Indiana Recruiter; Yvonne Joseph, International Recruiter;
Tech Forever
March 23rd, 2011
2:29 pm
Delbert D.
If he made the Elite 8 in a tournament then you don’t count it as a Sweet 16 appearance. You count the best effort in each year. Seriously….who does that?
Nick
March 23rd, 2011
2:30 pm
I doubt that Mack would leave Xavier for $1.3 Million when he’s making a million a year now. It took Arizona two million to lure Sean Miller away from XU 2 years ago. GT hasn’t been a consistent Top 25 basketball program for the last decade. Plus XU’s loaded with talent and is consistently in top 2 of the A-10. Why would he leave for a program that’s now in the bottom half of the ACC for a small bump in pay??
NeedACoach.com
March 23rd, 2011
2:31 pm
Now that Bench of coaches would get more camera time than Duke’s any day!
Mark Bradley
March 23rd, 2011
2:32 pm
I wouldn’t disagree with that, Nick. I’m not sure I’d leave X for Tech.
The last two Xavier coaches went to Ohio State and Arizona, I should note. Those are big-time jobs.
Jawja Jewel
March 23rd, 2011
2:33 pm
Milton coach David Boyd would seem like a superb choice!!
collegeballfan
March 23rd, 2011
2:33 pm
I would make Brad Stevens say NO before offering anyone. And if Stevens says NO, so be it.
Smart of VCU is OK. But he is only in his second year at VCU I believe.
But damn good recruiter.
If not one of those two, then doesn’t matter to me.
WnE
March 23rd, 2011
2:37 pm
re:
and that’s because ….
March 23rd, 2011
2:25 pm
________________
You know that’s bull-crap!
There are enough great athletes out of Gwinnett, N.Fulton. Cobb, Fayette and other suburban counties with school systems that dwarf the City of Atl. System in size with solid academics to boot.
GT’s claim that the Academics are barrier is overstated, GT cannot recruit 100% of the Elite Athletes in FB & B-ball, but anywhere from 70-80% can major in Business Admin. at GT, but they choose other Colleges over GT for non-Academic reasons, and the GT fanbase refuses to admit this to themselves.
Roughly 40 of ug@’s 85-man FB roster also had offers from GT, and the same goes for places like Florida, F$U, Auburn and other places that GT fans like to call “factories”.
Every time an elite SA turns down GT it ain’t because of Academics.
Delbert D.
March 23rd, 2011
2:37 pm
Tech Forever – picky, picky
Did Duke make the NCAA tournament last season? Yes or no? We are both right. Also, the guy that discredited the 2003-04 Sweet Sixteen for Dixon said it was Howland’s team (he was secretly coaching at UCLA, I guess.)
Paul in RDU
March 23rd, 2011
2:38 pm
WnE
What you call “Hater-ade”, I call FACTS!
—
Facts? How about your claim that GT can’t recruit top b’ball players from the Atlanta area?
Ever hear of Ufon Mudofia, Derrick Favors, Glen Rice Jr, Jason Morris – the first 3 were all local kids who joined GT in the same recruiting class.
T3
March 23rd, 2011
2:38 pm
Tech Foever:
Just go do a wiki search on Jamie Dixon and read it, BEFORE you abitrarily trash Dixon as a coach.
Remember, PItt was nothing…UNTIL…Dixon arrived.
The fact that Pitt GETS to the tourney coompeting in the BIg East with UConn, Georgetown, Syracuse, Villanova, etc. is a HUUUUUUUUUUUUGE accomplishment.
Paul in RDU
March 23rd, 2011
2:43 pm
T3
You called me the wrong name before – should have called me a wiseass instead of a doofus
Mark Bradley
March 23rd, 2011
2:43 pm
Ben Howland got Pittsburgh going again. Jamie Dixon took over and has done even better. Except in the NCAA.
Jackets 2011
March 23rd, 2011
2:44 pm
Greg Marshall/Mark Bradley: separated at birth?
Jackets 2011
March 23rd, 2011
2:44 pm
Well there’s a little resemblance I think.
Ernest
March 23rd, 2011
2:45 pm
I’ve heard someone else mention Larry Brown as a possibility. That would make sense if he committed to no more than 4 years and hired someone like Craig Neal as a ‘coach in waiting’. It would provide some visibility to the program, stability and a nice transition.
Jackets 2011
March 23rd, 2011
2:45 pm
BTW people occasionally tell me I look like James Taylor but I don’t see it.
WnE
March 23rd, 2011
2:45 pm
re:
Paul in RDU
March 23rd, 2011
2:38 pm
_________________
Favors was the only one in that grou p considered Elite in the mold of Kenny Anderson, D. Scott, or Tom Hammonds.
Too many GT fans looks at names on a roster for their favorite Team and project that that SA is more than he really is from a talent perspective.
GT is not getting Dwight Howard-level Recruits, John Wall-types or Derrick Rose-esque Recruits.
The Metro Atlanta Area is one of the best places for HS B-Ball, but the best don’t consider GT as much as “they theoretically should”.
Mark Bradley
March 23rd, 2011
2:45 pm
I don’t see the resemblance. But I don’t look much like my picture, either.
Tech Forever
March 23rd, 2011
2:45 pm
Delbert D.
There’s nothing picky about it. does Tech has a banner hanging that says “2004 Sweet 16″? Nope. Why? Because it would be stupid to recognize the lesser achievement. What does Puke making the tournament last year have to do with my point? Incidentally since you brought them up going into this year’s tourney K is the 10th best active NCAA Tournament coach as far as over or underachievement.
Delbert D.
March 23rd, 2011
2:46 pm
Paul – Who’s that Libyan bad guy..Guammar al-Maddafi?
Mark Bradley
March 23rd, 2011
2:46 pm
Larry Brown: He’d help stability. He’d leave in 2 1/2 weeks.
Jackets 2011
March 23rd, 2011
2:47 pm
I’m kinda sick of all this speculation.
Maybe we can’t afford another mistake so everyone wants to offer an opinion.
Delbert D.
March 23rd, 2011
2:47 pm
Kenny Anderson, D. Scott, and Tom Hammonds were not from Atlanta.
Jackets 2011
March 23rd, 2011
2:48 pm
Yea but then he’d leave Price in charge.
No I’m not on the Price or Neal bandwagon.
Think both are too inexperienced.
But will accept either if we can’t find someone better.
Either would be very risky.
Jackets 2011
March 23rd, 2011
2:49 pm
The ex-players want Price or Neal so they can get an assistant job.
TroubleFunk
March 23rd, 2011
2:50 pm
EDDIE Martin would probably be a very good college coach but I don’t think he would want to take a pay cut and leave GAC. Also the illegal and dishonest recruiting would eat him alive. HS coaches are too honest to deal with the college RAT RACE.
Jackets 2011
March 23rd, 2011
2:51 pm
Jacket fans don’t know their history to think they would even consider Pearl. He is the antithesis of our school.
Tech Forever
March 23rd, 2011
2:51 pm
T3
Dixon gets huge credit for making the NCAAs each of his 8 seasons at Pitt. But he has average seeding of 3.6 with a record of 11-8. WAY UNDERACHIEVING at Tourney time.
Delbert D.
March 23rd, 2011
2:52 pm
Tech Forever – Take a look at Butler’s splash page: http://www.butlersports.com/splash/index
The circle in the lower left. Too bad they didn’t win it. They sure do advertise it, though.
WJ
March 23rd, 2011
2:53 pm
I have to believe DADGUN.. the best Insider info yet. Mooney, Grant (yes he is still on list), Stevens and Beilein on GT’s short list..Money is not the problem. Mooney is 1st choice then the other three. I also like Marshall. Dadgum has alot of contacts in high places. Got to believe in Drads picks all four are good.
Paul in RDU
March 23rd, 2011
2:54 pm
GT is not getting Dwight Howard-level Recruits, John Wall-types or Derrick Rose-esque Recruits.
There is a word that people use for these guys – they are called “one and dones”.
Guess what – there are only 4 or 5 players every year at this level in the entire USA. As you noted, Favors was one of them – so was Thaddeus Young. UNC (Barnes this year) and Duke (Irving – they missed on Wall) only gets 1 every couple of years.
WnE – stick to throwing accusations around about football recruiting – you know more about that than b’ball.
Delbert D.
March 23rd, 2011
2:55 pm
I really shot myself in the foot…I give up. That is for this season, not last season.
Jackets 2011
March 23rd, 2011
2:55 pm
Thought u nailed the Hawks this morning.
When you are blunt towards the pro teams, few are offended.
But they hate it when you don’t sugarcoat criticism of either Tech or Ga.
Paul in RDU
March 23rd, 2011
2:56 pm
Delbert D.
Loved the post! Good to see you posting and in good form Delbert.
NCAA Bound Dawg
March 23rd, 2011
2:57 pm
GT paying $2.5 million per year? You are out of your mind!!! It’s going to be a big surprise when DRad announces his man, but you all know him, he had quite a career at Alexander, including a championship, slick dresser, smooth dude, he’s your man —— Dennis Felton babeee!!! Dude can get it on.
Tech Forever
March 23rd, 2011
2:58 pm
Delbert D.
They didn’t win it because……IT’S NOT OVER YET!!!! The 2011 NCAA Tournament is still being played. They probably won’t win it and at such a time as they get knocked out they’ll take down the advertisement for the 2011 NCAA Tournament.
Jackets 2011
March 23rd, 2011
2:59 pm
Felton has as much of a chance as Pearl. Zero.
Delbert D.
March 23rd, 2011
2:59 pm
Paul – Duke and UNC do pretty well with their 3 and 4-year guys. That’s what I’d like to see at Georgia Tech.
GT Dude
March 23rd, 2011
3:00 pm
All I can say is that unless Cinderella is still dancing on Sunday evening, on Monday morning a private jet will be making its way to Atlanta from Richmond with a new coach for TECH,
Now you have to determine which school…
Supersize that order, mutt
March 23rd, 2011
3:01 pm
Paul in RDU, you mentioned Jason Morris earlier, implying (I thought) that he was from the Atlanta area. He is supposedly from Augusta, although I never heard of him till he got to Tech. I think he went to some school in Connecticut even though he is listed as being from Augusta.
GT Dude
March 23rd, 2011
3:02 pm
Which Richmond school that is…
ANTOINEFORD
March 23rd, 2011
3:02 pm
Price was such an excellent assistant at Tech that he went 5-11 in the ACC that year and managed to get Cremins fired. The next season he found himself working as an assistant for a high school team. This year, he’ll be lucky to find a head coaching job in a church league.
Jackets 2011
March 23rd, 2011
3:02 pm
Having to be relatively frugal isn’t the worst thing.
The Mets managed to throw 36 million away on Oliver Perez.
This year he doesn’t even have to go through the motions to get 12 million.
Delbert D.
March 23rd, 2011
3:02 pm
Tech Forever – I surrender, unconditionally. I have to hobble over to the first aid cabinet and tend to my foot.
Jackets 2011
March 23rd, 2011
3:04 pm
The Connecticut high school is a private school, I’m fairly sure.
Tech Forever
March 23rd, 2011
3:05 pm
WnE
I’m not going to say you’re wrong, but Bosh was projected as the 1st or 2nd pick coming out of high school depending if Ming was going to get selected. And Young was projected as the 3rd pick coming out of high school had he been allowed to go into the draft.
Jackets 2011
March 23rd, 2011
3:05 pm
Both Morris and Holsey are leapers.
Both made dunks where I didn’t think they could close the distance.
They did.
Maybe I had not had such good seats before.
Tech Forever
March 23rd, 2011
3:06 pm
Delbert D.
That’s funny. I literally just smashed my pinky toe on the foot of the couch walking through the room so I think I’ll join ya.
gdawginkalamazoo
March 23rd, 2011
3:06 pm
“Larry Brown: He’d help stability. He’d leave in 2 1/2 weeks”
LMAO Mark. He left Detroit and took 25% of the population with him.
Paul in RDU
March 23rd, 2011
3:06 pm
Delbert,
I agree that Duke and UNC do pretty well with their 3 and 4 year players, and that GT needs to get good players who will last several years in the program (ala Shumpert) but I see nothing wrong with an occasional 1 and done. It drives me crazy when I see bloggers proclaim that Duke (and to a lesser extent UNC) don’t recruit early entrants to the NCAA – they do.
If you look at UNC’s starting lineup, they have a JR, 2 SOs and 2 FRs – if you are good enough, you are old enough
Jackets 2011
March 23rd, 2011
3:07 pm
Antoine you’re funny but the Price backers won’t think so.
mountain_jim
March 23rd, 2011
3:07 pm
Since some here seem to think they have the inside ’scoop’ and its Mooney, tell me about this coach. I have yet to see Richmond play. What kind of schemes does he use? What style of play?
What makes him a good choice? (Besides being able to win in Richmond)
Paul in RDU
March 23rd, 2011
3:08 pm
Supersize,
Morris went to a prep school in CT before enrolling at GT. I tought he was originally from the Atlanta area?
Paul in RDU
March 23rd, 2011
3:09 pm
“tought” = thought
I managed to get a compressed ulnar nerve and my typing is horrible while it heals
MiamiJacket
March 23rd, 2011
3:09 pm
If we give the next coach another $7 million buyout we might be able to get Kzyzewski or Roy Williams. Just a thought.
Tech Forever
March 23rd, 2011
3:09 pm
Delbert D.
March 23rd, 2011
2:59 pm
Paul – Duke and UNC do pretty well with their 3 and 4-year guys. That’s what I’d like to see at Georgia Tech.
A-MEN!!!!! Coaches who openly ONLY recruit 3 a dn 4 year guys are coming out of the woodwork. Turgeon at A&M has been adament about it and Self at Kansas has made comments about it too.
sk
March 23rd, 2011
3:09 pm
The comment earlier (pg 2 I think) calling Dixon an underachiever is completely crazy. So Hewitt was a better coach because Tech made it to a Final 2 once??!!
Jamie Dixon is a great coach – his teams have lacked top end talent … that is why they have lost in the postseason (think of the two Tubby Kentucky teams that demolished the SEC then lost in the tournament) … In the postseason, when benches matter less and the stars play more – the team that has the best player on the floor always has an edge (as long as the other players are not woefully mismatched). That said, can Pittsburgh truly land top end talent and compete on the same recruiting ballpark as UNC, Kansas etc? Absolutely not, and no coach running a halfway clean program can at a place like Pitt.
Jackets 2011
March 23rd, 2011
3:10 pm
If we had to have a Tech guy, I’d rather have Neal.
He is at least laying the ground work to get a head coaching job.
Price’s jobs are more like a hobby.
Like someone who already has enough money.
Tech Forever
March 23rd, 2011
3:10 pm
mountain_jim
Best question posted and I’ve been waiting for an answer for a couple of days. I like Mooney, and he may be the right guy for Tech, but I don’t see a whole lot there right now that would convince me of that over some of the other potentials.
gdawginkalamazoo
March 23rd, 2011
3:11 pm
Jackets2011, I saw that article on the Mets. Holy cow are they a mess. I think they will be paying Bobby Bonilla until the day he dies.
Jackets 2011
March 23rd, 2011
3:12 pm
Morris, Holsey, Miller and Miller all look to be 4 year players.
sk
March 23rd, 2011
3:12 pm
Can’t blame coaches for recruiting one year guys. Nature of the system – and all kids (basketball players, computer engineers, whomever) should be using college to get better jobs. The problem was not Hewitt recruiting Thaddeus Young or Derrick Favors – it was having no backup plan … everybody knew Favors was not staying here longer than a year – nor should he have. Hewitt did a lousy job 1. developing the guys when they were here and 2. keeping the pipeline going.
Jackets 2011
March 23rd, 2011
3:13 pm
Some coaches are overrated because they managed to take over teams loaded with seniors.
Jackets 2011
March 23rd, 2011
3:14 pm
2nd Miller should have been Hicks.
Tech Forever
March 23rd, 2011
3:15 pm
sk
That is your opinion/position on why Dixon has underachieved in the post-season. I don’t have one. all i can do is go by the numbers. And the numbers say that with an average seed of 3.6 he should have at least 15 NCAA Tournament wins. He has only 11. I’ll add that he absolutely got outcoached in two of his 8 losses and lost to a 13 seed in another.
I’m not saying Jamie dixon isn’t a great coach. He is and whever he lands after Pitt they will win a lot of games and win some conference championships, but history is proving they’ll also underachieve in the NCAAs.
Paul in RDU
March 23rd, 2011
3:15 pm
Jackets 2011
Since Maurice Miller was playing as a SR in 2010-11 he already is a 4 year player.
I agree with you about Daniel Miller and Holsey. I think Morris has some good talent and if he develops could go out after 3.
Tech Forever
March 23rd, 2011
3:17 pm
sk
March 23rd, 2011
3:12 pm
Can’t blame coaches for recruiting one year guys. Nature of the system – and all kids (basketball players, computer engineers, whomever) should be using college to get better jobs. The problem was not Hewitt recruiting Thaddeus Young or Derrick Favors – it was having no backup plan … everybody knew Favors was not staying here longer than a year – nor should he have. Hewitt did a lousy job 1. developing the guys when they were here and 2. keeping the pipeline going.
I agree. But if a coach doesn’t have a backup plan you most certainly can and should blame him for recruiting one-and-dones. No back-up plan = don’t recruit those players
Jackets 2011
March 23rd, 2011
3:17 pm
At some point, Tech will try to improve Hewitt’s image.
I really wish for his sake he had left after 2004.
Then we’d have loved him even if he flopped at the next job like we do Ross.
Point being Tech likes the coaches who left early more than the ones who stayed late (Cremins and Hewitt).
sk
March 23rd, 2011
3:17 pm
mountain_jim – Mooney runs a Princeton-ish system. It has a lot of the main staples (the big men making reads, the back doors) but has more freedom for the guards to create … something in the neighborhood of what Georgetown does. Mooney also won in his one-year coaching at the Air Force Academy. How one feels about his moving from Air Force to Richmond after 1 season is up to you … you can argue that both ways.
Jackets 2011
March 23rd, 2011
3:19 pm
Agreed Paul.
I could have said 3 years for Morris but don’t want to get to far ahead of things.
indianman
March 23rd, 2011
3:20 pm
it don.t matter it won.t help them at all
sk
March 23rd, 2011
3:22 pm
It is an interesting question … and the best coaches of them all succeed both in the season long test and the conference slate (which of course is a better measure of the quality of the program in general) versus the three weekends in march/april. But that list is really really tiny … I mean in the current crop of coaches, what … Roy Williams, K, Bill Self, Izzo … crickets … (Stevens and Few are sort of their own category – just a different set of criteria)
applebottom
March 23rd, 2011
3:27 pm
Stevens isnt going to leave Butler. hell never coach outside of his home state. at least we are being reasonable, ncsu fans think they are getting adolph rupp jr. theyll really get dave odom II
Jackets 2011
March 23rd, 2011
3:28 pm
I meant to say Morris, Holsey, Miller and Hicks.
Supersize that order, mutt
March 23rd, 2011
3:28 pm
Paul in RDU, the announcers on all Tech’s TV games this year have said that Morris is from Augusta. Like I said, I had never heard of him before, so it was obvious he didn’t play HS ball in Augusta. I only learned recently that he played HS ball in Connecticut, and Jackets 2011 confirmed a few minutes ago that that is private HS. Can’t say as I blame him for not staying in Augusta; no college-worthy players have come from here since William Avery (Duke) and Ricky Moore (UConn, although he wanted to go to Tech)
T3
March 23rd, 2011
3:31 pm
I’ll make it easy for everyone:
Here’s the link for PITT Basketball covering the last several years.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pittsburgh_Panthers_men%27s_basketball
BTW, PItt was the 2010-11 Big East Regular Season Champs.
Also, see Dixons’s wiki bio here: VERY impressive resume.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamie_Dixon
Here’s just 2 superlatives:
“Dixon became head coach at Pitt in 2003, the only head coaching position he has ever held, and has an overall NCAA Division I record of 188–54. His current 188 career wins ties the
NCAA Division I record for most wins in the first seven seasons of a head coaching career.”
(188-54 over 8 seasons…..in the Big East,)
“At the end of the 2010 season, Dixon is the winningest coach in Big East history
with a current .696 winning percentage in seven seasons of league games (94-41).”
Any questions?
Jackets 2011
March 23rd, 2011
3:31 pm
How did NCSU manage to hire Sidney Lowe?
A popular player suddenly pushed by fans of their glory year.
Why wasn’t he ready for the job?
All together now: not enough experience.
Jackets 2011
March 23rd, 2011
3:33 pm
If Price was willing to be an assistant, that might work.
Rick in Fla
March 23rd, 2011
3:33 pm
What about former Tech asst coach Cliff Warren head coach at Jacksonville University . 5 year record of 72-80 . Took down program from 1-26 record in first year to 2 A-SUN Conference championships and 2 NIT tourniments .
Jackets 2011
March 23rd, 2011
3:36 pm
Bill Curry, much as I like and respect him, was not ready to be head football coach at GT.
We trained him and got dumped for our efforts.
Then he informed us how much easier it was to recruit at Bama.
That is the big risk with an inexperienced hire.
We train him, someone else may benefit.
Delbert D.
March 23rd, 2011
3:37 pm
Remember Ed Nelson? He was a starter as a freshman and was developing nicely (Rookie of the Year in the ACC). His 2nd year, Chris Bosh got much more of the playing time. So, Nelson transferred to UConn and Bosh left for the NBA. No backup-backup plan.
BobbyCremins
March 23rd, 2011
3:37 pm
Kenny Anderson?
He can’t even control his own life, how’s he going to coach a Div. 1 team?
T-Bone
March 23rd, 2011
3:38 pm
MB, (if you’re still there), what do you think of Mooney’s Princetonish offense? Is it too slow and methodical to draw top talent?
Jackets 2011
March 23rd, 2011
3:43 pm
Is Mooney flexible enough to use the fast break more if he had the talent?
mountain_jim
March 23rd, 2011
3:47 pm
Thanks for the Mooney info. Are his teams good defenders? (Man Florida State’s defense looked good the other night.)
Jackets 2011
March 23rd, 2011
3:48 pm
DRAD will be the one to take the heat if he makes a bad hire so I am going to trust his judgement.
GT65
March 23rd, 2011
3:49 pm
It will not be a X- Dukie. Will not be X-GT player.
Mooney will be the man! If something happens its not Mooney, well Drads has 3 more in his bag of treats.
sk
March 23rd, 2011
3:54 pm
Jackets 2011 – Obviously that is the question. But watching Richmond in the tournament – it’s not like they are milking the shot clock. The guys seem to have the freedom to take early offense if it’s there.
If we use Radkovich’s football hire as a guide for what he will do with basketball, one would suspect that he wants a coach who can establish a Georgia Tech on-field identity, without worrying so much on his ability to recruit All-Americans. Paul Johnson for instance – certainly on offense – had an identity in the type of football that he would coach … it is a durable system that can be recruited specifically i.e. without using the ESPNU 150 or whatever. The system allows them to not get caught up in having to beat SEC teams for talent.
Perhaps Georgia Tech basketball can be viewed and filled the same way. You bring in a coach with a durable system that can be recruited to specifically (so you don’t have to go head to head with the ACC bluebloods) … and be able to create a much more stable program than Hewitt (or for that matter) Cremins was able to do.
Jackets 2011
March 23rd, 2011
3:59 pm
Good points sk.
I just signed up for next football season though I had threatened not to do so.
I was bluffing as usual.
ANTOINEFORD
March 23rd, 2011
4:01 pm
Price was such an excellent assistant at Tech that he went 5-11 in the ACC that year and managed to get Cremins fired. The next season he found himself working as an assistant for a high school team. This year, he’ll be lucky to find a head coaching job in a church league.
Tech Forever
March 23rd, 2011
4:02 pm
sk
Top 10 NCAA Tournament overachieveing active coaches (min. 5 appearances)
1 – Izzo
2 – Beilein
3 – Fisher
4 – Larranaga
5 – Pitino
After this tournament is over Stevens will be in the top 5 and Pitino will fall out. Incidentally, we just fired the 17th best. Problem is with only 6 career appearances he didn’t make it to the tournament enough times in 11 years to keep his job.
Jackets 2011
March 23rd, 2011
4:05 pm
We heard you the first time Antoine.
Wasn’t the next job as head coach of the high school team?
Whatever.
I agree it isn’t enough.
Doubtful he is on the short list.
If character was king in coaching, Curry would have done a lot better here.
Tech Forever
March 23rd, 2011
4:07 pm
sk
I agree. Richmond went over 70 points 17 times this year. That’s hardly the Carril offense he’s running.
Mark Bradley`s Booster
March 23rd, 2011
4:11 pm
For all of you who like to participate in guessing games, I am sure this one about the next GT BB coach is a great thing. Personally its getting old to me. I have heard so many people including the local media talk about something that they haven`t a clue about. The amount of blogs we have going on now rival the number we had about wanting to get Hewitt fired. I hope it is over soon.
JSS
March 23rd, 2011
4:13 pm
If it does not begin and end with Shaka Smart; then they need to shut the program down…
Not A Hewitt Fan
March 23rd, 2011
4:14 pm
Im rooting for Mooney. But if it falls through go with Price and Neal as asst coach. Local talk show radio hosts brought up a VERY good point regarding Shaka zulu. Hes had some dial it in nights this year, including one against a SORRY GSU team. We just ran one just like him off. No more losses to IUIPUI/Kennesaw/ UNC Asheville for a while. Need to go inna toally different direction for the next hire…..at least for the next coach imo.
Jackets 2011
March 23rd, 2011
4:15 pm
MB’s Booster.
We’re trying to get Mark a raise so he’ll throw a big pre game party.
Skeezix
March 23rd, 2011
4:17 pm
Marshall can flat out coach and would be a great hire.
Not A Hewitt Fan
March 23rd, 2011
4:17 pm
Guess free speech isnt alive and well on this blog.
Jackets 2011
March 23rd, 2011
4:18 pm
Now why would we need to close the program down and lose all that money?
Just using a figure of speech to exaggerate what you would consider a mistake?
Seniors can make some coaches look better than they are.
A tough decison coming up.
tech86
March 23rd, 2011
4:24 pm
Was Bobby Cremins a low mid major pick or high mid major pick? does it really matter? what we need at Tech is a guy who can coach, recruit, develop talent and graduate guys. We can still get the one and doners, but the majority need to guys who will stay 4 years. I still think that guy is Donnie Tyndall, in spite of the 4 year extension (Mooney just signed a 7 year extension, got that from a Richmond grad), the recruiting violation was minor (aren’t they all). This guy will take the job if offered, first hand knowledge and he will stay at Tech until we ask him to leave. All these other guys seem to be using jobs as stepping stones to the “next” big gig. The Duke assistants forget it, we as Tech fans should never want that especially after getting stuck with Bill Lewis,(UGA Asst). Mark you keep tossing names out jsut to get us going, it is working, but maybe we need a coach who has built a program from ground up with nothing and rather than someone who has inherited a team. Tyndall recruits Georgia and the Atl and would be a good representative for Tech. Up-tempo is the name of the game and maybe with Donnie, HewittFan and the Atlanta celtics will consider us again.
Mark Bradley
March 23rd, 2011
4:25 pm
I’m not tossing out names just to get anybody going.
BYRDDAWG
March 23rd, 2011
4:29 pm
Hey maybe tech could hire Hewitt Fan’s coach of the Atlanta Celtics……then he would be happy & have ALL the insider knowledge in the Coach K conference!!!! LOL
Jackets 2011
March 23rd, 2011
4:32 pm
Funny Tech86.
Jackets 2011
March 23rd, 2011
4:34 pm
Liked the article this morning and the summation of the players in the comments, Mark.
Too bad Turner didn;t sell to the Texas guy.
He couldn’t have done worse with either franchize.
David McDavid, was it?
gh
March 23rd, 2011
4:34 pm
well Mark Bradley calls Mark Price a distinguished alum, that’s the nicest thing you can muster compared to your assessment of him last yr which stated he has no chance or experience. lol
If Marshall is the newest darling then why didn’t SC or Clemson want him when they both had openings? Anybody at AJC every thought of asking Fogler that one? Of course not.
If Bobby Cremins beats Marshall and Witchita State at Witchita State, what will you poor bloggers do then who despise Cremins? Guess you will all spin it to praise the loser and point fingers at the winner.
And then there is Mooney. Of course , you bloggers singing his praises won’t mind if he only wins 10 games his first season but would rally to have Price ousted if that is all he did. It still makes me laugh that some of you are so blind death and dumb over Price. How the blank does someone become an NBA All Star and not know a blanking thing in your minds about how to coach a college bb team?
If I had to take the educated opinions of AJC sportswriters and the GT bloggers so adamantly against Price on here OR the former GT players (Barry and Scott and others) who played in the NBA, I’m going with the players opinions.
How good was Price? Taking a look at this elite photo of the best of the best says it all. Gee, is that Mark between Jordan and Bird?
http://www.waitingfornextyear.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/1990_threepoint_shooters.jpg
Jackets 2011
March 23rd, 2011
4:35 pm
Thinking about this morning’s article, I wonder how the Hawks would have fared with David McDavid as the owner?
Mark Bradley
March 23rd, 2011
4:36 pm
David McDavid. Yes indeedy.
Jackets 2011
March 23rd, 2011
4:42 pm
He couldn’t have done worse, could he?
You gave the Hawks the spanking they had coming and their coach needs to give them.
Mark Bradley
March 23rd, 2011
4:43 pm
I just don’t know how you get blown out at home. No excuse for that.
Jackets 2011
March 23rd, 2011
4:45 pm
For the Price and Neal fans, I’m ok with the hire of either.
You advise for it.
I advise against.
DRAD could care less for either opinion.
He’ll take the heat if he gets this one wrong.
Not us.
Jackets 2011
March 23rd, 2011
4:46 pm
How did JJ play so good the other day (Bucks?) to go back to crummy so soon?
sk
March 23rd, 2011
4:48 pm
Overachieving vs underachieving though can yield different results using different metrics. After all, Hewitt might have ranked well in outperforming his tournament seed – but if you wanted to measure wins relative to NBA talent, he’d fall well short of other coaches (and of course, as Tech Forever noted – that was his ouster). That Top 5 list is interesting … Izzo requires no explanation, Fisher had the Fab Five and that magical run in 1989 principally. Larranaga – well, the final four appearance in 2006 essentially skews his work a ton (considering how rarely Mason is a higher seed). Pitino and Beilein have ridden (Pitino moreso early in his career) quirky systems that are hard to prepare for if you haven’t seen them. That won’t win national championships in the long haul – but yes, for some interesting tourney runs, it is pretty cool.
Before we get too into what happens in March though, there is that whole November through February business – and everything starts cleaning THAT up. Ultimately I am less interested in a coach’s tournament metrics (what he does when he gets to the tournament) than his ability to turn out 10 win seasons in the ACC. If the next coach can get us more of THAT, the success on other fronts will more than likely take care of itself.
Jackets 2011
March 23rd, 2011
4:48 pm
JJ needs to show he gives a damn.
I still can’t see resigning him if he doesn’t care more than he does or is not willing to show it if he does.
WichitanJacket
March 23rd, 2011
4:48 pm
If you want to see Gregg Marshall’s Wichita State team in action check out the game tonight (7pm ESPN2) as they take on Bobby Cremins’ College of Charleston team. You may even catch a glimpse of Marshall asking Cremins what it is like coaching at Tech.
Tech Forever
March 23rd, 2011
4:48 pm
gh
Honest question that has nothing to do with basketball. Were you in favor of letting Gailey go?
sk
March 23rd, 2011
4:55 pm
if Mark Price had eligibility left and the ACC games were decided by free throw contests, he’d be a shoo-in … what is fascinating is equating “Mark Price should not be a serious candidate” with hatred or anything. I mean, NC State went down the famous alum rabbit hole with Sidley Lowe – and he actually had head coaching experience!! Look at how well THAT went.
Gregg Marshall btw is also a solid candidate – he was not a sexy hire at the time that South Carolina hired Horn. Horn had his Sweet 16 appearance with Western Kentucky – young bloke who could win the presser. As far as Clemson’s hire … Brad Brownell was a very similar sort of hire to a guy like Marshall – just a really good basketball coach, and clearly Clemson has made a sound decision.
sk
March 23rd, 2011
4:59 pm
The amazing thing with the Hawks this season is Josh Smith unlearning what he learned a year ago. He was arguably the Hawks best player because he had a huge uptick in shot selection. This year he cleaned up his foul shooting (not great, but no longer a liability) but now suddenly thinks he should be shooting 3-pointers again (and yep, he still shoots them poorly). Not sure if that was him or Larry Drew thinking that he can make them more than he actually can.
Jackets 2011
March 23rd, 2011
4:59 pm
Ex-players get hired when the choice becomes a popularity contest (and the AD is weak and takes the easy way out).
Time and again, many of the ex-players chosen have lacked sufficient experience as a head coach.
Why do many crummy players become good coaches?
Because they have to work their way up, proving they have mastered all the skills necessary for the job.
They don’t get the top job before they are ready for it.
Mark Bradley`s Booster
March 23rd, 2011
5:00 pm
Mark: Still your booster but please explain why there are 3 articles written by three different AJC writers at approximately the same time today on this already over hyped subject of who the next GT BB coach will be. Did your boss want you ,Jeff and Doug to do this or did you three just not communicate?
WnE
March 23rd, 2011
5:07 pm
re:
sk
March 23, 2011
3:54 pm
———————————————-
DRad’s “system” for GT FB is a sham, it REQUIRES GT FB to water down the OOC Schedule and then “hope & pray” that the ACC stays “weak” in FB; against EVERY “legit Physical robust BCS Team”, CPJ and his system have failed miserably, GT has been manhandled physically by:
L$U
Iowa
N.C. State
Miami (1-2)
Va. Tech (1-2)
ug@ (1-2)
while feasting on watered down OOC Teams and the likes of UVA., Dook, and Wake, IF DRad had so much faith in what Coach Kung Fu Panda was doing with GT FB he would have left Bama on the schedule for 2012, instead DRad tucked his tail and ran away from that Game like a wuss.
What you have posted SK is the NUMBER ONE PROBLEM with GT Athletics, GT tries too hard to “gimmick its way” into the upper ranks” of CFB & B-ball without giving enough “respect” to the role that TALENT plays.
This “anti-talent mantra” that too many GT fans believe in is what is really holding GT sports back, GT BASEBALL doesn’t try to “cut corners” with less-than-elite Talent, so why not take that same mentality to FB & B-Ball?
In summary the only thing that is keeping GT from Recruiting more elite Talent in FB & B-Ball is GT’s own stupid “self-inflicted” rules, that can be easily adjusted WITHOUT sacrificing any part of GT’s Academic Reputation, what 95 to 100 FB & B-ball players choose to major in has NO IMPACT on the Academic Reputation that the rest of the 15,000 or so students that attend GT are able to take with them into the workplace.
Just ask Stanford, Cal, Dook, UVa., UNC-Chapel Hill, Michigan, Notre Dame, all schools with EQUAL OR BETTER Academic Reputations as GT.
To all GT Fans please stop playing the Academics Card on sports-themed blogs, it only embarrasses you and the school.
GTGuy44
March 23rd, 2011
5:15 pm
The odds are better than 50/50 that Mark Price gets the job. Re-igniting the spark of the Tech faithful is critical and the consensus is that Mark would do that better and more quickly than any outsider. Every player who played with Mark and has offered his opinion thinks that Mark would do a great job.
Jackets 2011
March 23rd, 2011
5:21 pm
Maybe the ex-players wnat jobs as assistants.
Just kiding.
Jackets 2011
March 23rd, 2011
5:27 pm
Are any ex-players going to attend any game where they are not getting some award?
How many who have offered opinions care enough about the program to buy season tickets?
That comment could apply to bloggers as well.
UGASlobberknocker
March 23rd, 2011
5:37 pm
If Tech could get the Xavier coach, Mack ..that would be a great hire (for them..not from my UGA viewpoint)…unlike a lot of those other guys, Tech would be a serious upgrade for Mack in school and conference..thats the first of heard him mentioned..Is he a serious candidate?.
sk
March 23rd, 2011
5:41 pm
Mack is a sensible candidate also – like Mooney coming from the A-10. Not at all a bad choice. Really I’d be ecstatic is we could find a coach who could elevate this program to something like Wisconsin sucess-wise, a team that can pump out 8-11 win ACC seasons regularly, can pump out ACC championship caliber teams occasionally, play a style of basketball we can get behind.
UGASlobberknocker
March 23rd, 2011
5:41 pm
Whats Coach Woodson doing now ? Maybe him at Tech..he’s got that Indiana background and his image is on the comeback given Drew’s lack of success.
UGASlobberknocker
March 23rd, 2011
5:50 pm
@Jackets 2011..I dont know about players, but my guess on bloggers for both Tech and Ga blogs, less than 1% of the people who posts blogs here hold season tickets in football or basketball at their school. Or ever have.
Speaking only about the bloggers on the UGA blog, I have ,based on the comments, tried to take a guess how many attended UGA (not graduated just attended for a while) I would guess 10-15%., Graduates..less than 5%.
just a guess
Jackets 2011
March 23rd, 2011
5:51 pm
That’s funny and probably accurate.
Jackets 2011
March 23rd, 2011
5:54 pm
And the 99% who don’t buy tickets or give to the school want everyone there from the president on down fired with every loss in any sport.
Jackets 2011
March 23rd, 2011
5:55 pm
Uga has a lot more fans than Tech but might benefit from some addition by subtraction if u know what I mean.
What about Damon Evans
March 23rd, 2011
5:58 pm
I can coach in my red panties with a skank assistant and drink too. Hire me and if not, what about one of the Harrick’s?
Techster
March 23rd, 2011
6:00 pm
Just please hurry. Tickle piles have suffered and the naming of a new Coach will give us new enthusiasm and make us horny.
Jackets 2011
March 23rd, 2011
6:01 pm
That’s old and lame.
Let it go.
Jackets 2011
March 23rd, 2011
6:02 pm
You teens have fun.
I’m splitting.
GT
March 23rd, 2011
6:08 pm
Mooney would be prefect, but there is a lot of traffic around the coach right now. If you really care about being successful, the Tech job may be the best one. If you are after money and you don’t mind playing second fiddle to football which has been the graveyard of many a good basketball coach go on down to the SEC. Some coaches will have no choice but to take a SEC job, Moody and Marshall will have choices, when they pick the rest will divide what is left. I am thinking you pick a place you have the most chance of winning.
Josh
March 23rd, 2011
6:28 pm
man you make it sound like Tech is an awful destination….Is the ajc ever gonna take a pro-GT stance, and not continually only support the dawgs.
spaceman109
March 23rd, 2011
6:29 pm
seems to me that tech could hire whoever they want once the ex-tech qb and real estate mogul john dewberry agrees to pay the new coaches salary out of his own pocket. even though the real estate market crashed, i bet dewberry still has enough unoccupied money laying around that he could do it.
Tech Forever
March 23rd, 2011
6:31 pm
GTGuy44
Forget 50/50. Give me some odds I can bet on. I’ll take the bet. Mark Price WILL NOT be Georgia Tech’s next Head Basketball Coach.
Buzzett
March 23rd, 2011
6:33 pm
I heard Tech has something short, but it wasn’t a list.
Tech Forever
March 23rd, 2011
6:34 pm
UGASlobberknocker
Oh you’re way off. I’d say far more bloggers of Tech have or have had season tickets to bb and/or fb than Georgia. Remember, you’re comparing a group of less than 30k to a group of more than 70k. People who didn’t go to Tech typically don’t care about Tech…..they’re Georgia fans.
tech faithful
March 23rd, 2011
6:37 pm
I wonder if Bill Lewis is available….he did such a great job with our football program a few years ago
UGASlobberknocker
March 23rd, 2011
6:42 pm
@Tech Forever Maybe you’re right..However, it seems to me that based on Tech’ poor football attendance every year and and poor basketball attendance in recent yrs, there are a lot of people who went to Tech don’t care about Tech.
Hoopster
March 23rd, 2011
6:43 pm
Mark Fox to NCSt.
Tech Forever
March 23rd, 2011
6:45 pm
UGASlobberknocker
I agree with that. But remember, if you took every single living Tech alum within a 3 hour drive of Atlanta and put them in BDS it still wouldn’t be full. That figure according to the Alumni Association incidentally is approximately 40k.
1785 Dawg
March 23rd, 2011
7:08 pm
It is a fact that more than 50% of all engineers in the state of Georgia were educated outside the state of Georgia. That being the case, from my perspective, Georgia Tech should be doing a better job of educating engineers for the state of Georgia. So, don’t complain that if all Georgia Tech alumni in Georgia are too few in number to fill up a stadium or basketball arena. Do a better job of educating engineers and you will have more alumni in your stadium. The state of Georgia needs more engineers, preferably some with people skills.
Tony
March 23rd, 2011
7:09 pm
Said another way- compared to the BD attendance in relative terms Sanford Stadium should have 776k fans a week. UGA fans may want to sit down as their head will spin on that one.
buzzwax
March 23rd, 2011
7:14 pm
From a very good source – Hewitts buyout DOES NOT impact GT’s ability to hire/pay our next coach. Several ’supporters of the program’ have taken care of this…..Gailey’s buyout is done at the end of this year. ESPN’s new ACC deal gives GT an additonal 2M per year OVER Drads estimate from his 2010 budget delivered BEFORE the details of the new ESPN deal were finalized (Go to ramblinwreck.com and listen to DRads ’state of the GT union’ presentation. Very impressive detail and plan for GT’s financial future!! GT will NOT have a ‘money’ problem.
MSU
March 23rd, 2011
7:24 pm
Tom Izzo was an assistant to Jud Heathcote before he was hired.
1785 Dawg
March 23rd, 2011
7:24 pm
Hey Tony,
If Sanford Stadium were expanded enough, we could sell 776,000 tickets to each home game. Secondly, Georgia’s football program is financially strong enough to pay for such an expansion, if we could find an engineer that could build it.\\
Shelah.
Supersize that order, mutt
March 23rd, 2011
7:28 pm
1785, sad to say, most engineers don’t give a rip about sports; many are, as you mutts love to call all of us, nerds. I hate the hell out of that, but unfortunately, from what I have seen, it is true. I DID graduate from Tech, I DID stay in the state of GA (although I worked in SC till I retired), and I have been a season ticket holder in football for 45 years. I had b’ball season tickets for 10 years, until the long late night drives home, plus Hewitt’s incompetence, made me decide not to renew. And as far as the poor attendance at b’ball games the last few years, that does not indicate that Tech fans don’t care; it shows how much they do care and how sick they became of the situation.
Jackets 2011
March 23rd, 2011
7:29 pm
2nd chance Big Dance
Yahoo league 11391
No pw needed.
Name of league – Yellow Jackets
Motto – DRAD will pick the right guy.
Dawg fans can join but as a past commish, I’ve been called Hitler & if you post insults, you’ll get the boot.
Supersize that order, mutt
March 23rd, 2011
7:33 pm
1785, I might remind you that in spite of claims to be sold out, there were lots of empty seats in the cesspool at every game the past couple of years. They were very visible on TV.
Supersize that order, mutt
March 23rd, 2011
7:36 pm
1785, the fact that most working engineers in the state of Georgia only indicates that those who graduate Tech go elsewhere to work. That can only mean two things: they wanted to work closer to where they were from, or the pay was better outside the state of Georgia. The sad thing is, and I hate to admit this, that those who do stay in Georgia or close by, apparently don’t give a rip about sports. I know several who are like this. It pains me to say this, but, to use a word you mutts are so eager to use in describing Tech fans, they are nerds.
Supersize that order, mutt
March 23rd, 2011
7:39 pm
I DID stay in the state of Georgia, and I have bought season tickets for football every year since I graduated. I bought season b’ball tickets until last year, when I decided that the long late-night drives home, coupled with the poor teams, were too much for me.
Supersize that order, mutt
March 23rd, 2011
7:40 pm
I DID stay in Georgia after I graduated, and I have been a faithful football season ticket since then. I also bought basketball season tickets for several years.
Wesley Chandler
March 23rd, 2011
7:56 pm
MARK PRICE!!!!!!!!!! DO IT
Larry
March 23rd, 2011
8:04 pm
Please quit listing Tommy Amaker as a candidate, your making me sick!!
FullMetalJacket
March 23rd, 2011
8:18 pm
Thanks for a well-reasoned, honest, objective look at the situation, Mark. It’s nice to have a columnist who can stir up interests without resorting to shock tactics, schlock tactics, and mindless rumor-mongering. And at least you tell everyone you are just guessing, instead of offering some cryptic rationalization for an inside scoop.
FullMetalJacket
March 23rd, 2011
8:21 pm
Mooney and Marshall have been my first two preferences since Hewitt’s firing, so I am pleased that others share the view that they might be on the short list (obvious as it may be). TO ALL THOSE FELLOW TECH FANS who insist that MOONEY IS A DONE DEAL: Just one of you name a reliable source or inside connection to verify and validate your assertions. I think it is just wishful thinking….and don’t tell me you figured it out on your own. Many of us want Mooney (or Marshall, for that matter), and most of us trust Radakovich, but no one knows who he will hire (perhaps including himself) until he says so, or until someone comes forth with a reliable source.
FullMetalJacket
March 23rd, 2011
8:24 pm
Radakovich has shown restraint and discretion, his staff and search committee has shown restraint and discretion, the AJC has shown restraint and discretion….seems like only a handful of supposed Tech fan bloggers can’t restrain themselves and be discrete, even if they don’t really know jack.
FullMetalJacket
March 23rd, 2011
8:29 pm
1785, if you intend to imitate Furman Bisher with your sign off, it is “S-E-L-A-H.” Now that we have established that you never attended a university (the doors weren’t open in Athens in 1785…that is just when the politicians decided they would do something there), I suggest you look for the heading on the AJC Sports site that says “U-G-A” (no, they’re not telling you that you are gay) and there you will find numerous other like-minded (i.e., no-minded) dogs with whom you share many things.
FullMetalJacket
March 23rd, 2011
8:33 pm
I don’t resent dawgs reading Tech blogs (for those who can read). After all, they will be needing to hire a new coach very soon themselves, since Fox is bound to leave in the near future. It doesn’t even bother me when they post on Tech blogs (though bothering Tech fans is clearly the objective of most of them). It does, however, annoy me that most are semi-literate at best and don’t know anything about their own athletics programs, much less the Institute’s.
1785 Dawg
March 23rd, 2011
8:33 pm
Hey Supersize(?):
It is common knowledge, that when one can not refute the facts, people tend to drop back to the “insult” mindset. The fact remains, that if Georgia Tech educated more engineers, the state of Georgia would not have to be a net importer of engineers. The subject of sports is not so much the point, as the lack of the ability of the historical, typical Georgia Tech graduate to have an informed interesting, conversation.
Selah.
Jack Daniels Terrier
March 23rd, 2011
8:36 pm
17-85 dawg: Two things. First, I’m guessing the 17 is your IQ and the 85 is the number of charges on your rap sheet. Second, FMJ has your number and just shut you down!
SELAH!!!!
Jack Daniels Terrier
March 23rd, 2011
8:40 pm
1785: 2 COMMA SPLICES IN EACH OF THE THREE SENTENCES OF YOUR LAST POST TO SUPERSIZE. AT LEAST YOU LEARNED THE PROPER SPELLING OF ‘SELAH.’ As far as refuting facts, are you suggesting that expanding Sanford Stadium to 776,000 seats and filling them for each game is a fact? Go back to school, boy.
FullMetalJacket
March 23rd, 2011
8:44 pm
We all know that UGA was chartered in 1785 and opened in 1801 as Franklin College. But I think the poster 1785 is more clever than that. I think the 17 refers to the average lifespan in months of an Uga mascot and the 85 is the equivalent age in human years. Just like MB, I am only guessing….
blazer
March 23rd, 2011
8:46 pm
no Dukies-K thinks he is a god! doesn’t even grant half time interviews-geez!
no choir boys-get a coach!
James Franco
March 23rd, 2011
8:56 pm
Congratulations, Nerds!
AMG
March 23rd, 2011
8:58 pm
DRad will pull off a mircle hire that will shock almost everyone including Mark Bradley. He has his man in mind and he is NOT on this list and is a way bigger name than anyone has guessed at.
Supersize that order, mutt
March 23rd, 2011
9:05 pm
1785, and just how do you propose that Tech educate more engineers? The GA state legislature and board of regent sure won’t allow that. After all, we’ve already seen that they opened a needless engineering school in Athens rather than funding expansion at Tech. It’s a little hard for Tech to educate more engineers when we can’t even get support to do so from the redneck politicians under the gold dome. So now there will be a bunch of poorly educated redneck engineers from Athens available for jobs in Georgia, giving more reason for Tech grads to leave the state.
Supersize that order, mutt
March 23rd, 2011
9:06 pm
AMG, I tend to agree with you. I think there could be a BIG surprise coming. The next week is going to be very interesting.
Supersize that order, mutt
March 23rd, 2011
9:08 pm
And one thing’s for sure, it won’t be Mark Price
1785 Dawg
March 23rd, 2011
9:12 pm
Dear Georgia Tech alumnus:
Please note that I have been trying to encourage Georgia Tech to graduate more engineers, as the state of Georgia is a net importer of engineers. Your response has been to insult that suggestion. Think about that for a moment.
The engineering schoools outside the state of Georgia are more relevent in providing engineers to Georgia than Georgia Tech. Is that because there are better engineering schools elsewhere, or are other engineering schools producing more engineers with superior people skills and better manners?
Marlon
March 23rd, 2011
9:18 pm
Tech 86 gets it. Tyndall signed a 4 year extension but don’t think for a second that he wouldn’t bolt for GT. GT is his dream job and the one he wants. He believes he can win the national championship at Georgia Tech. He loves to recruit in GA. All 5 of his teams at Morehead State have been filled with GA talent. His currrent recruiting class in loaded with GA. talent. In reality he has come within one win of reaching the Sweet 16 which would be the pinnacle at Morehead State.
He has built the Morehead State program from the ground up. He didn’t inherit a program that had talent or a winning tradition like a lot of these coaches that Mark is mentioning. The coach from VCU inherited a program. Let’s see if he can recruit and maintain. Mooney and Marshall gets respect and would do well at GT. My alma mater is not a house hold name and that hurts coach Tyndall. I do know what an amazing job he has done and he deserves to have his name mentioned with the so called A-list of candidates.
dawgfan0711
March 23rd, 2011
9:21 pm
Gregg Marshall should be Tech’s choice. Great coach and would have Tech back in the NCAA tourney no later than year 2. I’m a DAWG fan so it doesn’t matter to me, but this is the right guy for the job.
Dawg Squeeze
March 23rd, 2011
9:23 pm
I’m with you 1785 dawg….the colleges in this state just aren’t doing the job. For instance, look at the sorry state of the vet medicine program at UGA…heck, they can’t even keep their mascot alive! Maybe we could import some Auburn or Clemson grads to get better medical care for animals.
dawgfan0711
March 23rd, 2011
9:24 pm
Hoopster—Mark Fox isn’t going anywhere, UGA will pay whatever it takes to keep him.
Supersize that order, mutt
March 23rd, 2011
9:26 pm
LOL @ Squeeze
Supersize that order, mutt
March 23rd, 2011
9:26 pm
dawgfan, you couldn’t keep Tubby. What makes you think you can keep Fox? Nobody gives a rip about THUGa basketball; why would anybody want to stay there?
Tech Forever
March 23rd, 2011
9:27 pm
1785 Dawg
Cite the “fact”. Please. “50% of all engineers in Georgia come from outside the state of Georgia” that is your “fact”…..cite it!!!! That is MY challenge.
Supersize that order, mutt
March 23rd, 2011
9:28 pm
1785, apparently you haven’t yet learned how to read. Tech cannot produce more engineers without the money to expand, and the redneck legislators and board of regents in the state of Georgia will NOT give money to Tech. In addition, name me any really high-profile engineering positions in the state of Georgia. Tech grads go where the best opportunities (and biggest salaries) are.
1785 Dawg
March 23rd, 2011
9:29 pm
Georgia Tech is a non-issue in its home state, in terms of engineering. It is looking up upgrade its basketball coach by hiring the Morehead State coach. Think about that for a moment.
Tech Forever
March 23rd, 2011
9:38 pm
1785 Dawg
You want a fact? In 2008 the state of Georgia ranked 47th in the nation in “public high school graduation rate” at 58.77% (11.33% below the national average of 70%). Since UGA has overwhelmingly the largest Education Department of any campus in the state and Tech doesn’t have one at all I wonder who’s on the hook for this abyssmal figure? Maybe UGA should do a better job of not graduating dummies to go out into the high school classroom and create more dummies.
Tech Forever
March 23rd, 2011
9:41 pm
1785 Dawg
No answer to my challenge because you know your “fact” about 50% of engineers fell out of your butt when you got up from your 1984 Lay-Z-Boy to go get another bottle of Richard’s Wild Irish Rose out of the icebox (yes……you have an icebox).
Tech Forever
March 23rd, 2011
9:51 pm
dawgfan0711
Wanna bet? I like Coach Fox and I think UGA did a great job in getting him and he’s a great hire. But he’s gone as soon as the right job comes along and there’s nothing you can do about it. You see there’s one thing wrong with Fox that Damon overlooked or discounted, and that is that Fox is a westerner. Coaches have two ties that bind over all else; one pedigree and two geography. Coaches with strong pedigrees can and will go coach at any successful program that is ultimately linked to them in some way through their past and/or ancestrial past (i.e. Roy Williams being at UNC). But coaches like Fox who have no true pedigree are generally tied to their upbringing and roots related to geography. For Fox that’s the SW and NW part of the country. These coaches will go to places in other parts of the country for a spell (Fox to the SE to coach in Athens) but they almost always end up back in their area of familiarity. And it doesn’t help that Cindy is from I believe Washington state. Couple more years like this one and Fox will be headed back across the Mississippi.
1785 Dawg
March 23rd, 2011
9:53 pm
Dear Tech Forever:
The statistic that more than 50% of engineers employed in Georgia were educated as engineers outside Georgia is from a member of the Georgia legislature who is on the Georgia Board of Education. It is public information. Feel free to research it and look it up. I sincerley hope you do, as I would like to see Georgia Tech produce more engineers.
Look it up.
It is ironic that an alumnus of UGA is trying to point out to you thact that Georgia Tech does not produce enough engineers, and all you nerds think I am misinformed.
Supersize that order, mutt
March 23rd, 2011
9:56 pm
1785, you apparently still can’t read. Nobody disputes the fact that Tech is not supplying the state of Georgia with the engineers it needs. The question is why. The answer is that most are going elsewhere to higher paying jobs with better opportunities. After all, how many truly outstanding engineering jobs are there in Georgia to begin with?
Supersize that order, mutt
March 23rd, 2011
9:57 pm
1785, you never did answer the question I posed earlier as to how Tech CAN produce more engineers. Do you have an answer for that?
Supersize that order, mutt
March 23rd, 2011
9:59 pm
And as to whether (if indeed) Tech is considering the coach at Morehead State? Why not? He will go somewhere else one of these days, because he is good. I would bet that even THUGa would consider him if they were looking right now. It’s the quality of the coach, not the size or reputation of the school that matters.
Supersize that order, mutt
March 23rd, 2011
10:00 pm
And 1785, I don’t know that Tech is even considering the guy at Morehead State, but what if we are? You go after a good coach, no matter what school he is at. THUGa probably would too if they were looking right now.
Promethius
March 23rd, 2011
10:02 pm
Don’t intend to rain on UGa parade, but the attraction of Tech, Atlanta, the ACC, i.e., the big stage, makes Tech a more attractive destination that UGa. UGa is is simply a peer of Bama, Arkansas, Ole Miss, Scar, LSU, etc. Those are not weak programs – but they will never be elite. They simply have no BB charisma. And, a good yr or two, will not make you an elite program. It would be like UNC winning several major bowls in succession. UNC, however, does have a better opportunity of becoming significant in FB. UNC does have charisma.
Delbert D.
March 23rd, 2011
10:04 pm
What has the Board of Regents decided about funding a College of Engineering at the University of Georgia?
Supersize that order, mutt
March 23rd, 2011
10:04 pm
1785, why is that you keep posing the same questions over and over and ignore the responses and refuse to answer the questions we ask you? Don’t let the facts get in your way, bubba.
Tech Forever
March 23rd, 2011
10:05 pm
1785 Dawg
CRAP!!! It’s your “fact,” YOU cite it!!! What is this 6th grade English and I have to do your work for you at the kitchen table??? Cite it!! Because a politician told you I should consider it fact?? Seriously? A member of the State Board of Education…..a politician sitting on a board that has nothing to do with the University System of Georgia…..I’m to believe him?
Supersize that order, mutt
March 23rd, 2011
10:05 pm
Delbert, unfortunately the board of regents approved it, but several legislator have said that they will not vote for any additional funding for it.
1785 Dawg
March 23rd, 2011
10:06 pm
Georgia Tech can produce more engineers by educate more students that want to be engineers. Follow the example of Georgia State University. As more and more businesses are leaving downtown for Midtown, Buckhead, Cumberland, Perimeter Mall, up 400 etcetera, acquire that land and buildings, and use it to expand your campus. If UGA can find the money to expand its engineering school, why can’t Georgia Tech?
Given the population growth in greater Atlanta and the state of Georgia, along with the increased demand for engineers, would not it be a good time to increase the state’s capacity to produce engineers?
How do you do it? Contact the members of your state legislature, and let them know how important science and math are to the economic growth of Georiga.
Supersize that order, mutt
March 23rd, 2011
10:07 pm
Tech Forever, 1785 is obviously an ignorant redneck who thrives on belittling others but refuses to look in the mirror and see just how stupid he really is.
Arny
March 23rd, 2011
10:11 pm
Better hope richmond loses soon then
Supersize that order, mutt
March 23rd, 2011
10:11 pm
1785, and just where do you think THUGa gets the money to expand anything, or where GA State gets the money to grow? The money comes from the tax payers as allocated by the legislators and regents in the State of Georgia. And they REFUSE to give any more money to Tech to do such things; they always have, and they always will. Tech relies on endowments for funding EXISTING research and educational facilities. And, it may surprise you to know, Tech is one of the top 5 highest endowed engineering schools in the world. HOWEVER, any expansion or growth of the campus or student population MUST BE APPROVED by the State of Georgia. THUGa gets all those monies, not Tech.
Supersize that order, mutt
March 23rd, 2011
10:14 pm
Another prime example of just how THUGa gets the money is in the so-called satellite campus of the Medical College of Georgia. Georgia also does not have enough in-state-educated doctors, so INSTEAD of expanding and enhancing the current Medical College, the rednecks under the gold dome voted to put a satellite campus in Athens, which, Adams hopes, will eventually become the main campus of the Medical College. Talk about screwed up priorities!!!
Tech Forever
March 23rd, 2011
10:15 pm
Supersize that order, mutt
You hit the nail on the head and this is the very reason why I’ve been calling for Tech to break away and become a private school for the last 20 years!!!
Supersize that order, mutt
March 23rd, 2011
10:16 pm
Tech Forever, I’m sure that would not be allowed either.
Supersize that order, mutt
March 23rd, 2011
10:17 pm
1785, we’re still waiting for your answers to our questions. Get off the school-yard bully kick and put your brain to work, assuming you even have one.
Delbert D.
March 23rd, 2011
10:21 pm
Quality vs. quantity.
Supersize that order, mutt
March 23rd, 2011
10:21 pm
1785, just in case you didn’t read them or have conveniently forgotten them, answer these questions:
1) Where is Tech supposed to get the funding to expand and grow?
2) Why does THUGa get all the state monies currently allocated for expansion and growth?
3) And on the athletic side of things, what’s wrong with going after a supposedly good coach at a more-or-less unknown university?
4) And speaking of both athletics and funding, why did THUGa get a basketball arena built with taxpayer money? And yes, they did, back when that barn was built. NONE of the athletic facilities at Tech cost the Georgia taxpayers one cent.
Supersize that order, mutt
March 23rd, 2011
10:25 pm
EXACTLY, Delbert
Supersize that order, mutt
March 23rd, 2011
10:26 pm
Still waiting on some answers, 1785. Or did your mommie tell you to get off the computer?
Coach
March 23rd, 2011
10:28 pm
Obama’s brother-in-law will be the next Tech coach!
Supersize that order, mutt
March 23rd, 2011
10:30 pm
OK, I’m going to go watch some TV. I’ll be eagerly anticipating seeing your answers when I return, 1785. Of course, I know there won’t be any, or at least none that indicate any intelligence on your part.
Tech Forever
March 23rd, 2011
10:31 pm
Supersize that order, mutt
I’m waiting for him to cite his “fact.” Let me be clear, I’m not disputing Tech doesn’t produce enough engineers in the state of Georgia. But he said less than 50% was a FACT and then made a big deal about how he posts facts. So……show me where the fact comes from….especially since he’s already demonstarted he doesn’t know what the State Board of Education does (or at the very least he’s gullable enough to believe a politician making a statement about a university in Georgia as being fact because he’s on that board) and he’s demonstrated he doesn’t know where the funding for academic programs and expansion at the states three largest schools comes from.
Tech Forever
March 23rd, 2011
10:32 pm
Coach
Who is that?
Delbert D.
March 23rd, 2011
10:51 pm
Sure, MIT and Caltech could ramp up and supply the Tennessee Valley Authority will all the engineers they could ever need. However, the University of Tennessee provides the *quantity* of engineers situation. Results? How about the Browns Ferry Nuclear plants’ safety record? Hmmm…all three plants shut down for major safety violations, including checking the containment penetrations with a candle. Caught the wiring on fire, causing loss of instrumentation on the status of the reactor and safety systems. Those plants are GE BWR Mark1’s, the same as the reactors in trouble in Japan. (Google “Browns Ferry Fire”). I’m pretty sure there will be some info there. Also, Sequoyah Nuclear Unit 1 was shut down by the NRC for management incompetency in the mid ’80s. Took 3 years to get it restarted. Then, Watts Bar Unit 1, while nearing construction completion in the late ’80s…oh, boy…the NRC found that TVA had falsified x-rays of the piping welds on safety systems. TVA’s director of nuclear engineering was escorted out of his office in Knoxville by TVA’s internal investigations force. TVA finally got permission to operate the plant several years later.
Quality vs. Quantity.
Patrick
March 23rd, 2011
10:58 pm
Bring back Bobby Cremins.
Tech Forever
March 23rd, 2011
11:06 pm
Patrick
Good Lord.
Supersize that order, mutt
March 23rd, 2011
11:07 pm
Tech Forever, can you believe people can be so stupid?
just a thought
March 23rd, 2011
11:17 pm
why do you have Gregg Marshall’s photo posted? Am I suppose to be impressed with that big time win at home in the NIT over C Of C?
If he is so wonderful, why is he in the NIT? Too bad the game wasn’t played in Charleston. I was pulling for Cremins all the way and always will.
Why did Clemson and SC pass on Marshall? Hope someone knows the answer to that. I remember when Charlie Taafe, head coach at Citadel, ranked number one in Division 1 AA at that time, was passed up for football coach at Clemson and at SC. (not even a courtesy call) But GT started expressing huge interest big time until it came out that Taafe had been in some (partying) trouble.
You just need to find these things out before you start rallying for these people.
Butts Wagner
March 23rd, 2011
11:19 pm
Anyone listen to John Salley on Jason Whitlock’s podcast? You may not agree with everything he says(and he’s pretty eccentric), but he is a smart man. I want him talking to the basketball team on a regular basis.
Paul in RDU
March 23rd, 2011
11:28 pm
1785 Dawg is quite a character. He must be a graduate of the University of Georgia Law School. Where else could you learn such kean rhetoric so that you could come up with such a devastating defense of your position as this:
“The statistic that more than 50% of engineers employed in Georgia were educated as engineers outside Georgia is from a member of the Georgia legislature who is on the Georgia Board of Education. It is public information. Feel free to research it and look it up. I sincerley hope you do, as I would like to see Georgia Tech produce more engineers.”
I love this – an unnamed member of the Georgia legislature (we don’t even know if he is in the House or the Senate, R or D, etc) with no data to support the statement. And 1785 throws in the challenge that it is an public information so go and find it.
1785 Dawg is obviously on the track for partner.
Tech Forever
March 23rd, 2011
11:35 pm
just a thought
Why did they pass on Marshall? Who knows? Who cares? Maybe he just wasn’t a fit. Maybe they knwo something shaddy about his past. Maybe he’s lefthanded and those two schools only hire righthanded basketball coaches. The only point here is that they did in fact pass on him and Wichita State is glad they did. In fact who’s to say they passed on him? Maybe HE passed on THEM.
I’m sure if Marshall is on the list he will be thoroughly vetted.
Tech Forever
March 23rd, 2011
11:38 pm
Paul in RDU
It’s better than that. It’s an unnamed politician with no data serving on a board that only deals in K-12 public education. So how would this person know that “fact” and even if he does and it’s true of what relevance is his position on the State Board of Education?
Tech Forever
March 23rd, 2011
11:40 pm
I literally, LITERALLY, have gotten ZERO work done the last two days because of the blogs. I hope I’m at least marginally entertaining to some of you….that would help to make me fell a tiny bit better.
Paul in RDU
March 23rd, 2011
11:44 pm
Tech Forever,
I also love the concept that what needs to happen is that universities need to increase the quota of engineers that are educated – such a Soviet concept. In a “free market”, if there is a great demand for engineers to be employed, salaries should rise accordingly – smart, mathematically inclined kids would be beating down the doors of engineering departments to be admitted rather than rushing off to business school to be hired by financial firms.
Paul in RDU
March 23rd, 2011
11:47 pm
Tech Forever
I’ve enjoyed your posts – hope that helps with the guilt of doing no woek. These are my last couple of days with a moderate workload – I start a new job just north of Boston on Monday and it’s going to be back to 60 hour weeks.
Supersize that order, mutt
March 23rd, 2011
11:55 pm
Tech Forever, don’t feel like you’re the only one glued to their computer the past few days. I think I’m addicted….LOL But I enjoy reading both your and Paul’s posts, and, as much as I hate to admit it, I even enjoy the posts of some of the incredibly stupid people on here. It’s funnier than almost anything on TV, except maybe Hot in Cleveland, which I just finished watching. I LOVE Betty White. LOL
Supersize that order, mutt
March 23rd, 2011
11:56 pm
My problem is that I am retired and don’t really have much useful to do anyway. But with all this great weather, I SHOULD have been outside in the yard. Oh, well.
Paul in RDU
March 23rd, 2011
11:57 pm
Supersize,
I hope you’ve been reporting the comments of your imposter. Based on the time of day, I’d guess it is some undergraduate at the flagship U.
Supersize that order, mutt
March 24th, 2011
12:00 am
Paul, if you know any way to report him, please tell me. I mentioned it to Doug on his blog earlier today, but he didn’t respond. Somebody (probably the same jerk) actually posted under Doug’s name last night saying that he was sick of it all and would look into it today. I knew at the time that it wasn’t actually Doug, since the post wasn’t highlighted, but he came up with a flimsy, semi-believable reason for that. Doug today confirmed that he didn’t post anything last night, but that’s as much as he ever said. Is there somebody I can email with my complaint?
Supersize that order, mutt
March 24th, 2011
12:01 am
DAMMIT, why do my posts keep getting blocked? I just posted a response to you, Paul, but it didn’t go through. I’ll try again in my next post
Supersize that order, mutt
March 24th, 2011
12:02 am
Paul, how and to whom do I report it? Do you have an email address? Somebody was actually posing as Doug on his blog last night, but I knew it wasn’t really Doug, since the post wasn’t highlighted
Supersize that order, mutt
March 24th, 2011
12:03 am
Paul, how and to whom do I report it? I mentioned it today on Doug’s blog, but he never had anything to say
Supersize that order, mutt
March 24th, 2011
12:04 am
Somebody was actually posing as Doug last night, and he did at least confirm for me today that he wasn’t doing any posting last night. It was probably the same jerk who poses as me.
Supersize that order, mutt
March 24th, 2011
12:05 am
Last night, a faker was posting under Doug’s name too, telling me that he was sick of it all and would do something about it today
Supersize that order, mutt
March 24th, 2011
12:05 am
DAMN, I am trying to tell you about something that happened last night, and it keeps getting blocked
Supersize that order, mutt
March 24th, 2011
12:06 am
Good grief, every time I try to tell you some more about the situation, it gets blocked. What’s up with that? They can censor my comments but not control who posts here. Give me a break
Supersize that order, mutt
March 24th, 2011
12:09 am
Let’s try this. Somebody (probably the same guy) posed as an AJC writer last night and told me that he would look into it today. The person whose name was being used last night told me today that he wasn’t posting last night. But he offered no more assistance than that.
Paul in RDU
March 24th, 2011
12:10 am
Click on the “Report this comment” link underneath the requisite comment – then you need to fill out a computer form. You may need to open another tab in your browser to be able to jump back and forwards.
I did it a couple of days ago when someone posted a BS post under my name and had the post removed later.
I don’t know who reviews the complaints – I think it may be the blog authors (JS, MB, Doug, etc). I do know that Schultz and Bradley are careful to delete posts with racial comments and that they can identify the IP addresses of the perpetrators.
Supersize that order, mutt
March 24th, 2011
12:10 am
I was told by someone “official” last night (obviously it was a faker, probably my stalker) that the matter would be looked into today. The real “official” person told me this morning that he wasn’t on last night, but he never offered any help in the matter
Supersize that order, mutt
March 24th, 2011
12:11 am
Thanks, Paul. I will try that
Paul in RDU
March 24th, 2011
12:11 am
Supersize – I am out. Got to go to Home Depot first thing to get supplies for fixing up the house to get it ready to sell.
Supersize that order, mutt
March 24th, 2011
12:12 am
I wanted to tell you about something that happened here last night, but for some reason my comments are being blocked.
Supersize that order, mutt
March 24th, 2011
12:12 am
Paul, you are moving??? Good luck on fixing up your house and getting it ready for sale.
Old Fashioned
March 24th, 2011
2:05 am
Georgia Tech produces QUALITY engineers,recognized as such everywhere in the world. (I was a professor at GT for many years,consultant to companies and agencies worldwide,author of two books,holder of patents,etc.). Quantity is what almost all (but not all) other engineering programs produce. These “engineers” work in mundane jobs with low pay and somewhat boring assignments. The challenging,exciting ,better paying jobs in research and advanced development are where you’ll likely find GT graduates.And most of these jobs are out-of-state. I also was an engineering professor at a state university in another state,with much lower standards,where the emphasis was on graduating large numbers of engineers. Accept anyone into the program,have some very serious grade inflation and get your QUANTITY. I hope GT always strives for QUALITY and let the others produce the QUANTITY.
Scrappy the Owl
March 24th, 2011
2:42 am
Would it kill Bradley or Schultz to just mention the KSU opening? just mention! thats all i ask!
CHARLIE VARRICK
March 24th, 2011
8:15 am
Yep!, Ga Tech Basketball is a WRECK! Major reconstruction ahead for the successor. New arena an all, its going to be a HARD sell to bring in a BIG name coach. How about Bruce Pearl, Kevin Sampson or bring back Bobby Cremins.
GT
March 24th, 2011
8:28 am
Gregg Marshall looked good last night against Bobby. That said I think Moody would be the right fit. You ever think, you have no clue how a football coach dresses which gives you a lot on the guys personality. I cannot think of a college football coach that uses all the grease in his hair. Bobby C always wore the blue blazer, oxford shirt, yellow tie, Khaki pants looked like one of us. You get these all black suits and slicked hair types, and suddenly you are getting the players that go along with the uniform. Look at Rick Pitino or John Calipari, great for somebody’s program but not a good match for people whose agenda is winning basketball games. You get a guy that overdresses and you got someone that really doesn’t feel good about him or herself. Bob Huggins almost pulls it off because he is so smart, but there is baggage there too.
Brenda
March 24th, 2011
8:46 am
get that sleazbag from Milton High. anyone who can take that high school and make it # 1 in the country must know how to work the system.
DAVE BOYD, is that his name? here are reasons:
1 he can obviously recruit and knows the state of GA
2 he will win at ANY and ALL costs
3 he will do it for cheap
SOUTH GA DAWG FAN
March 24th, 2011
8:50 am
LAST !
NYJacket
March 24th, 2011
9:30 am
Mark,
It would be stupid for Tech to conduct its search in the press.
Enough said.
20ozBulldog
March 24th, 2011
9:44 am
Hey Jackets, I need some of you that like to debate sports to come to my forums. I’m getting sick of arguing with just the Gators!! If you are a Tech fan (or any sports fan for that matter) come show your support of your team.
VLEsports.com
Good group of posters from all different teams, some debates are heated but in the end we all get along and simply love to talk sports to pass that down time at work or between studying for classes or whatever the case may be.
Tell em’ 20oz sent you and let’s have some fun!!
GO DAWGS!! THWGT
Gordon
March 24th, 2011
9:52 am
If Tech wants Gregg Marshall, they might have to wait until March 31st. His team is in the NIT semifinals. I sure hope Radakovich interviews this guy before making a final decision. I would hate to miss out on such a great coach just because his current team won’t lose fast enough.
Sweet Old Buck
March 24th, 2011
9:57 am
Strictly on resume/pedigree it has to be Mooney.
Dadgum.....
March 24th, 2011
9:57 am
Well if y’all are addicted to this blog don’t go over to the DOB Braves/MIB blog. Your boss will fire you, your wife will leave you, and the IRS will find you. The cast of characters will keep you in good humor though.
Mark, I am an outsider with some insider info from people that do know. Fact: Mooney is the solid front runner for the job and has been contacted by Drad as early as three weeks ago. Prior to Hewitt being released. What my source says I believe to be credible. Again, he was one of the few people Cremins called when he did the about face and returned to GT in 1993. To be sure, this does not mean that Mooney will be hired but you can bet your last dollar he is the clear frontrunner.
Tommy Amaker is not on the short list. GT will not hire anyone with Duke ties of that I am certain. Don’t need a source for that one. Also I don’t think GT will go 2 mil on a new coach but I bet they would pay 1.8 especially if it meant matching what Grant gets at Bama to get him.
A blog or so back I conjectured that GT might interview an NBA name. Just to bring a different perspective. Not a frontrunner for the job, darkhorse maybe. Could Larry Brown fit with Price as his assistant? Again I think it will be Mooney’s job to turn down but if that happens something unexpectd might happen. I know one thing GT must make a huge splash with this hire. Someone to win now, recruit well, and for the love of God put fans back in the seats. Larry Brown would be interesting and Price could take over after a few years. Brown is 70 I know but he won’t be outcoached by anyone and with his NBA background and clout how is he going to be outrecruited with Price in tow to help coach em up. Can we get Brown for under 2 mil? What do y’all think?
Rock on….Paul in RDU- no word on Barnes to State rumors. Probably Marshall. Still checking in Hickory with some sources.
GT93
March 24th, 2011
10:16 am
Thank You ‘Old Fashioned’ @ 2:05 am … I couldn’t have said it better myself.
Dadgum.....
March 24th, 2011
10:17 am
Here is a thought I had that I haven’t seen floated anywhere. The future holds that there will most likely be additions to conferences. Teams moving from one conference to the other. Coaches like Mooney, Marshall, Smart with their stars on the rise may look at this as the prime time to get affiliated in a major BCS type program. Mooney at GT, Marshall at State and Smart at Tenn. would make a lot of sense to a lot of people.
wreckmaniac
March 24th, 2011
10:24 am
So we’re chasing a guy whose team made it to the NIT ? So what. Let him go to Oklahoma or Tennessee
jojo sunshine
March 24th, 2011
10:25 am
First of all I want to say that I tried to let all of you in on Brad Stevens 2 years ago. This was prior to him going to the final four and then taking Duke to the wire in the championship game, actually it was before the season and schoo year ever started. I saw him coach in one of those pre-season tournaments the year prior and was impressed with his knowledge, showmanship, demeanor, and ability. If we would have gotten rid of Coach Hewitt then when I said we should have Brad Stevens would not be so hard to hire. With that said, throw the money at him and let him decide. If he declines then go with the choice I put on an earlier blog, again I was the first to bring up the name, Larry Brown. If GT folk would just read my blog comments we would already be in a better situation with a great young coach who could possibly break the all-time win record which Coach K is about to get and take to at least 1100 wins before he is through.
Thanks to all you people who do read my blog and begin to carry the torch.
Get a big name and a great coach – leave the mooneys and whoever else alone and get this one right by hiring Brad Stevens.
Gordon
March 24th, 2011
10:26 am
Dadgum,
You’ve lost all credibility if you think hiring a 70 year old basketball nomad would excite the fanbase. Also, it doesn’t make any sense to speculate on who the assistants might be…that is up to the new coach. Tech isn’t going to force Mark Price on anyone they hire. If the new guy wants Price that is fine.
I just hope Marshall is given an interview. He has the best resume of any mid-major coach, short of Few and Stevens who are out of reach.
wreckmaniac
March 24th, 2011
10:30 am
The right guy is a guy who is so cocksure of himself that he knows that he can be successfull in the ACC. That type of guy has a lot of certainty. Money should be irrelevant to that type of guy. He knows that the ACC is the gold standard and he will do whatever it takes to get there. Thats our guy and I really don’t know if there are any out there.
sk
March 24th, 2011
10:37 am
Tyndall would love to take Georgia Tech. That said, Morehead State is one of the places where A-10, The Valley, etc becomes an upgrade – he’d probably be a great candidate for Richmond if Mooney left. Marshall was not seen as a fit in Clemson – oh well … but to be fair Brownell is one heck of a coach. And Brownell had the same thing happen to him … forced out of UNCW due to politics, went to Wright State (even though he certainly had the chops to stay in the South) and then came back. So that Marshall did not have the right fit waiting for him at the time Wichita State called does not mean much one way or the other.
Tech FTW
March 24th, 2011
10:40 am
It’s Mooney. As stated above as soon as he’s eliminated from the tourney it should be him. If not him then Marshall would be my next guess. It won’t be Shaka Smart from what is told he’s too much like Hewitt.
Dadgum.....
March 24th, 2011
10:42 am
Gordon…..I have no credibility but I am connected with GT people that could write their own blog. My friend, read my posts. I have consistently said Mooney is the front runner and listed a few other names to be on the short list. That is fact. I mentioned Brown as a darkhorse. No where did I say he was on the short list and only a week ago did anyone think Brown wanted to be in the game again. Why not conjecture and blog about the possibility? This blog ain’t my life and I don’t really care to go all-Charlie Sheen on it. If you are the credibility cop here then arrest me. I will continue to post credible inside scoop and throw out a hypothetical situation for blog bantering. That is what blogs are for. No real offense taken and I respect your and every opinion. My credibility is always at happy hour.
Dadgum.....
March 24th, 2011
10:44 am
Also no where did I say GT hired the assistants or even implied they did. Just thought what if Brown and Price teamed up. Of course the head coach hires his assistants.
Gordon
March 24th, 2011
10:53 am
Dadgum,
What do your sources say about Marshall? Is he on the short list? Do you think the fact that he might be in the NIT finals (2 days before the final four) would keep Radakovich from interviewing him if Mooney has already been interviewed?
BG
March 24th, 2011
11:06 am
Why would a coach want to come to Tech?
Andy Griffith
March 24th, 2011
11:15 am
Hire Kevin Stallings from Vandy! He should be ready to make a move.
Old Fashioned
March 24th, 2011
11:31 am
Many names have been mentioned ,accompanied most of the time by logical arguments in support of the person as our next coach. When DRad announces,I fervently hope that all GT alumni,fans,and supporters all come together —forget the fun speculation we’ve had,and get back the winning GT teams we all want.
Dadgum.....
March 24th, 2011
11:32 am
My sources have never mentioned Marshall. He might be a great coach but I see no scenario personally where he would come to GT. Anderson just took the Ark. job at over 2 mil a year. Marshall is on the State short list. State will pay him 2 mil to coach and GT won’t. Pretty simple. Just can’t see Marshall at GT at all.
Dadgum.....
March 24th, 2011
11:37 am
Just to be clear. Nothing would make me happier than to see Mark Price as the head coach. Not getting that feeling and not sure he will be interviewed but some big money people at GT are throwing a lot of effort to make that happen. The one thing in his favor is he will work cheap and coach em up. Hey, that’s two things. Cool!
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10:43 am
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ron
March 26th, 2011
12:35 pm
tech will never win on a yearly basis in the acc mr. bradley