The Hawks make a trade, but it’s not the trade they needed
Kirk Hinrich: He's a solid pro, not a savior. (AJC photo by Curtis Compton)
The Hawks needed to make a trade in the worst way, and the trade they made wasn’t the worst ever. It was OK. Not great, not awful. Just OK.
They shipped Mike Bibby, who was too old and not really a point guard anymore and imported Kirk Hinrich, who’s a good player but who hasn’t been exclusively a point guard himself. They shed Mo Evans, who was expendable, and Jordan Crawford, about whose promise they’d raved only last summer, and acquired Hilton Armstrong, who’s averaging 1.9 points and 2.8 rebounds.
Best-case scenario: Hinrich does his hybrid-guard act — he used to be quite good at it, but his numbers haven’t been anything special the past four seasons — and puts the other Hawks in the right position and this team manages to win a first-round series.
Worst-case scenario: Hinrich fails to mesh with Joe Johnson — say what you want about Bibby, but he and Johnson made a nice tandem — and the Hawks, who have bombed out in Round 2 the past two seasons, bomb out in Round 1 this spring.
Either way, the addition of Hinrich and Armstrong is no cause for re-calibration of this team’s ceiling. The Hawks aren’t much different today than they’ve been for the past three years. They’re a pretty good team in an Eastern Conference that keeps getting more competitive at the top.
If the notion was to find a galvanizing talent at this deadline, they failed. The man that would have remade the local club just got traded to New Jersey, and he was, fittingly enough, one of the two famous men on whom general manager Billy Knight passed to draft Marvin Williams in 2005. Utah moved to trade Deron Williams, and the Hawks apparently weren’t in the bidding. (Deron Williams was picked one spot ahead of Chris Paul, and the two have long ranked, to the Hawks’ lasting chagrin, among the NBA’s five best point guards.)
Instead the Hawks landed Hinrich, who’s a solid pro but not an All-Star, and Armstrong, who’s a younger Jason Collins. And it’s clear the Hawks were the desperate party here: Why else trade three players for two and throw in a first-round pick to boot? That’s a high price to pay for a hybrid guard who was made superfluous in Chicago by Derrick Rose and who isn’t needed in Washington because of John Wall.
Say this, though, for Rick Sund: At least he did something. At least he acknowledged what had become blatant: This team as constituted had reached its peak and was on the descent. It hasn’t fallen to pieces yet — it’s still fifth in the East — and it’s surely too talent to collapse utterly, but the talent that had been compiled and nurtured by both Knight and Sund has topped out. It needs something else, even if the something else is little more than change for change’s sake.
Two NBA teams had had the same starting lineup since February 2008: One is the Celtics, who’ve won a title and graced another NBA final; the other was the Hawks, who hadn’t managed to win a game beyond the first round. Bibby was the last of that starting five to arrive — he came by way of a February deal with Sacramento — and he wasn’t the Bibby of old at any time in his Atlanta stay. But he was a solid pro who knew how to play, and without him these Hawks might never have made the playoffs at all.
Now he’s gone, and it was past time for him to leave. This trade is probably enough to keep the Hawks ahead of the Knicks in the East, probably not enough to elevate them above Orlando for fourth place. It gives them hope in the sense that something has been done, but the right something again eluded this franchise. Deron Williams, the guy they needed back in 2005 and needed today, got traded on Wednesday, and it wasn’t to the Hawks.
By Mark Bradley
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272 comments Add your comment
Dylan
February 23rd, 2011
9:20 pm
FIRST
hawks4life
February 23rd, 2011
9:21 pm
first? and sad to see my boy mike go, but it was needed
Dylan
February 23rd, 2011
9:21 pm
anyway I think this is a bad trade Bibby was a good 3pt shooter should have traded Joe Johnson
KakNiqueTree
February 23rd, 2011
9:21 pm
Oooh, FIRST, WHOOPDEDOO! So hinrich mentored drose in chicago, john wall in dc. so he’s gonna do it for jeff teague, now right? hahaha
Thornton Melon
February 23rd, 2011
9:22 pm
The Hawks still have a team?
BW
February 23rd, 2011
9:22 pm
Trying to keep up with the New Yorks and New Jerseys is impossible as long as Atlanta Spirit Group owns the Hawks…oh yeah first.
Tim
February 23rd, 2011
9:23 pm
I’ll miss Bibby
BW
February 23rd, 2011
9:23 pm
rather SEVENTH
JMar
February 23rd, 2011
9:25 pm
Awesome – I love the idea of trading any hope for the future (last year’s and this year’s first rounder) for a 1 1/2 year rental of an overpriced veteran point guard who should improve the team just enough to secure a fourth or fifth seed.
El Bravo
February 23rd, 2011
9:25 pm
A pretty good trade when you consider that the Wizards took over Bibby’s contract…
potluck
February 23rd, 2011
9:26 pm
Hopefully Hinrich can play good Defense at pg, rack up some assists with our starters and hit the open shot. We need someone who could drive the ball and get to the line still
kral
February 23rd, 2011
9:27 pm
hope we are better
JSS
February 23rd, 2011
9:27 pm
Told you that they had nothing that anyone really wanted…
bigeasy830
February 23rd, 2011
9:27 pm
Terrible trade, Hinrich is not much better than Bibby but makes way more money, Armstrong is a bust, Jordan Crawford will be a good player in this league, and good players have been drafted in the second round so they surely could have gotten a good player in the first round if they had a GM with half a brain.
El Bravo
February 23rd, 2011
9:28 pm
Mo Evans was a 17 minutes, 4.5 pp game player with a bad wheel, JC2 was not even seeing the floor and the 1st round pick will be outside the lottery so it is not like we mortgaged the future…
El Bravo
February 23rd, 2011
9:30 pm
Lets face, with JJ in the fold for the next six years JC2 was going to be no better than a bench player. Players of his ilk are dime a dozen in the NBA…
RSX
February 23rd, 2011
9:32 pm
12th
All I know is, I want Dwight Howard when he becomes a free agent. If this helps with that, then good. If not, then fuggedaboutit it.
JIm
February 23rd, 2011
9:32 pm
Well – We really didn’t give up much.
Mike
February 23rd, 2011
9:32 pm
I think that there is other trade coming, besides I think that Josh Smith would be dealt, besides he is a best trade piece with Crawford.
Sam
February 23rd, 2011
9:35 pm
Who did you expect the Hawks to give up to get Deron Williams, Mark? They didn’t have nearly the cache of trade-able parts that the Nets did. The Hawks have no one near Favors as a prospect or the draft picks to move. Plus the Nets gave up a playmaker like Devon Harris. They certainly weren’t going to do Williams for Williams and Bibby.
matt r
February 23rd, 2011
9:35 pm
Yeah, this is definitely a meh
ole richie
February 23rd, 2011
9:36 pm
i hope your right mike.
BALI
February 23rd, 2011
9:36 pm
pulled the trigger which surprises me…think the hawks need to do more this offseason but do not believe they will ever be a real threat as a championship team…not enough money or support in the atl
chem
February 23rd, 2011
9:36 pm
The hawks got hosed. Statistically Hinrich and Bibby are similar, but Maurice Evans, 2011 first rounder, and Crawford > Armstrong
ole richie
February 23rd, 2011
9:37 pm
wish we coulda used those guys to get a package with NOLA for paul and west
todd grantham
February 23rd, 2011
9:38 pm
the Hawks treat players like baseball owners do managers: fire one just for change sake and hope for the best.
Ron D
February 23rd, 2011
9:38 pm
Not a wise trade unless they plan on packaging some players at year end to set up another trade. Essentially, you trade your 2010 and 2011 1st rounders and 2 proven vets for one starter (13 pts a game) and a reserve with a nominal scoring average. Say what you will but the Hawks started winning when Bibby came to town.
todd grantham
February 23rd, 2011
9:39 pm
i dont believe the Hawks will ever be a consistent winner with the present hierarchy in place. fire them for change sake.
Jared
February 23rd, 2011
9:40 pm
Looks like a good trade to me. KH is better than bibby in all categories. Basically we just added 2 more points per game and one more assist.
hawk fan 33
February 23rd, 2011
9:40 pm
I agree Mark. The Hawks needed to take a chance and go for a bit more. While Hinrich will be an upgrade over Bibby, we needed more. Hilton Armstrong? Eh, don’t see that as much of an upgrade over Jason Collins. I don’t like that we included the first and Jordan Crawford, who fell into Coach Woody Drew’s rookie trap. I don’t think this is a case of Acie-Salim revisited. He could actually pan out. There are rumblings of Nene being on the block…why not go for a Nene-Felton package? Perhaps something else is in the works.
D A DoubleU G
February 23rd, 2011
9:41 pm
Bradley,
Is there ANYTHING that makes you happy in this world??
You need Jesus.
todd grantham
February 23rd, 2011
9:41 pm
wonder what Al Horford thinks of this latest development
T.O
February 23rd, 2011
9:43 pm
what’s the point?? Stupid trade. We were better not doing anything.
Brayne Varner
February 23rd, 2011
9:43 pm
who cares about giving up that draft pick. it’s not like we have a history of developing real NBA talent out of last first rounders.
K from da Wood
February 23rd, 2011
9:44 pm
Why can’t the Hawks get rid of the underachieving, overpaid Marvin Williams…they couldn’t just throw him in to the deal???
Mark Bradley
February 23rd, 2011
9:45 pm
Belated kudos, Dylan.
Mark Bradley
February 23rd, 2011
9:46 pm
And Kirk Hinrich is a better defender — much — than Mike Bibby.
Nick P.
February 23rd, 2011
9:46 pm
i still remember Billy Knight saying that “he found it funny that everyone in Atlanta thinks we need a point guard” when he went ahead with the Williams draft, i personally wanted Chris Paul, i still think he is the best complete point guard in the league, both defensively and offensively, i even would have accepted Jarrett Jack who actually topped Paul head to head in college for Tech, but Chris Paul should be a Hawk right now!
hawk fan 33
February 23rd, 2011
9:49 pm
Todd G, if Hilton Armstrong comes in, shocks the world, and proves to actually be a quality starting center (highly doubt) then he may end up the happiest person in ATL regarding this trade. f
Jermaine
February 23rd, 2011
9:51 pm
Well on the bright side, at least Teague gets to start a game this season.
nobody
February 23rd, 2011
9:51 pm
I would have been happy with this trade if it was Mcgee instead of Armstrong. Jordan Crawford and a 1st are way to much for Hinrich. Bibby and Armstrong dont really matter. This trade was just Jordan for Hinrich.
Josh
February 23rd, 2011
9:53 pm
complete lateral move except for losing the draft pick. that sucks. the Hawks aren’t worse, but they’re not better.
crabapplejoe
February 23rd, 2011
9:53 pm
Man oh man…why don’t the Hawks just bring Pop Seed back up from the development league and let him start……
nobody
February 23rd, 2011
9:53 pm
Sund needs to realize unless we do something huge we will not win a title until the likes of Lebron, Carmelo, and Rose are out of the league
cj
February 23rd, 2011
9:53 pm
The Hawks continue to prove they lack the necessary business and basketball knowledge to be a winning and successful NBA organization. The Hawks will not become a tier 1 organization / team until they are sold to someone who possess vision, passion, and a championship mindset.
nobody
February 23rd, 2011
9:55 pm
The Hawks have a lot of talent. Why dont we ever win? Subpar coaching, bad front office, and terrible owners. Joe, Josh, and Horford would be a tremendous core if they were coached right. Also we have ZERO bench other than Jamaal. We arent going anywhere
just wondering
February 23rd, 2011
9:55 pm
what’s the poop on the French guy we got that was overlooked by everyone else.. Popye Something (not Popeye the Sailor ). He is, as I recall, a tallish point guard they sent to the instructional league or something.. is he in the picture for the future?
Zach
February 23rd, 2011
9:55 pm
why am i watching this trash? we are terrible.
bjohndawg
February 23rd, 2011
9:56 pm
This is little more than a trade for trading sake.
They could have done more. Much more.
werty
February 23rd, 2011
9:56 pm
the hawks are looking terrible. lets hope they make another trade
Zach
February 23rd, 2011
9:57 pm
I think that when we play anyone that has ever been on orlando we struggle
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Mike
February 23rd, 2011
9:58 pm
I think that there is another trade is coming, besides there is a jog jam at C, and we need to give up Josh, he has hit his ceiling here and he need to move on.
Zach
February 23rd, 2011
10:00 pm
Phoenix announcers think that the hawks were better under woodson, i’m not sure i disagree. Is that scary or what?
latoya
February 23rd, 2011
10:01 pm
Hawks keep making stupid trades. You need to get a excellent point guard in order to get a champsionship, but we keep letting the good ones get a way.
JOSH SMITH FOR 3!
February 23rd, 2011
10:01 pm
Damnit, BW, read the article! Mark said that this trade keeps Atlanta ahead of NY!!
There’s just no way that Bradley could be wrong, I mean the Hawks got Kirk Hinrich and the Knicks got Carmelo Anthony, who’s really not a big deal!
Plus, Rick Sund promised that Josh Smith is as good at Lebron James, and Marvin Williams has more raw talent than Michael Jordan. This team WILL BE in the NBA FINALS!!
nobody
February 23rd, 2011
10:02 pm
Larry Drew is not a championship caliber coach. Can anyone prove me wrong?
Ryan's Dad
February 23rd, 2011
10:03 pm
It would be sad to be a Hawk or a Wizard.
John Tesh Nukes The Fish Heads
February 23rd, 2011
10:04 pm
Braves fire Bobby, and Hawks fire Bibby.
Finally, I can take Atlanta sports seriously.
kral
February 23rd, 2011
10:04 pm
i know i do not know as much about the Hawks as some of you…but to say they are not a winning org. is like saying when was the last time ..you won a championship…not lately…but I have enjoyed winning seasons over losing seasons..oooh you just do not have the drive to get to the top…your right I enjoy each day..and every win ..not saying a lostdoesn’t bother me..not totally content, but not tollaly critical either
kral
February 23rd, 2011
10:05 pm
j-tesh you stepped over the line with BC comment
nobody
February 23rd, 2011
10:05 pm
I kinda wish the hawks would become the Golden State Warriors. They are never going to win anything, but at least they are really fun to watch. Face it. The East will be about 3-4 teams for the next 5-7 years and the hawks are not one of them.
Hawks Fan Norcross
February 23rd, 2011
10:06 pm
Mark, how do the fans contact Rick Sund.
kral
February 23rd, 2011
10:07 pm
ohh let’s compare the hawks to the wizards
Reid Adair
February 23rd, 2011
10:08 pm
Don’t forget the draft pick, Mark. Basically, it was four for two. Hinrich isn’t that much of an improvement over Bibby to merit giving away Jordan Crawford AND a draft pick.
kral
February 23rd, 2011
10:10 pm
your right NB sometimes they are hard to watch,,other times I think they are actually playing bb…but overall they have a shot..who is to say…I know wishful thinking
Wendy
February 23rd, 2011
10:11 pm
The thing with Kirk’s numbers over the last 4 years is that he has played significantly more minutes at the 2 than at PG, and he’s better at PG. Maybe he’s too old now to notice much, but I’m thinking playing mainly/exclusively at PG will actually be better than the past few years. It’s not a home run in the long term, but for now I do see it as a substantial upgrade. The big issue is having time to mesh.
Dawg A
February 23rd, 2011
10:11 pm
Terrible trade!!! A first round draft pick? You have got to be kidding!! Another ASG idiotic move! ASG……… sale the team!
Sam
February 23rd, 2011
10:12 pm
People, calm down… the draft pick will be near the end of the first round, not top 10. Like we really need another Pape Sy on our roster. Get real NBA vets instead of marginal players coming out of college.
todd grantham
February 23rd, 2011
10:13 pm
is that enough to offset the typical blowout?
kral
February 23rd, 2011
10:14 pm
just do not sell them to outta town…uh,,,Dawg A
kral
February 23rd, 2011
10:15 pm
stick to fb defense tg your blogg name already offends me
Vick Supporter
February 23rd, 2011
10:16 pm
Man I’m tired of this shi!t. We gave them a FIRST ROUND PICK for Hinrich? I guess a first round pick in the NBA is not as valuable as in the NFL. We STILL have Marvin Williams…WHY?!? They should have traded his ass somewhere…at least Bibby knew how to play! And we draft Jeff F’in Teague, who we all knew would suck…Acie F’in Law…and I still watch these clowns on TV…believe or not I’m loyal except to the Falcons…Damn Hawks are killing me
Gilk
February 23rd, 2011
10:16 pm
I don’t like giving up the 2011 1st rd pick, but this is predicted to be one of the worst drafts in the past 10 years. Let’s all take a deep breath and access after tomorrow at 3p … I am hoping (and praying!) that there is another move to be made. Especially since they traded away 3 players and only got back 2 … really 1.5 since Armstrong is just a warm body … Hawks are his 5th or 6th team in as many years right?
I think you MUST trade Jamal’s expiring contract for either a big body or more perimeter D. What about Jamal straight up for expiring contracts of Houston’s Aaron Brooks and Battier?!?
grip
February 23rd, 2011
10:17 pm
One of the first things that is taught in business is don’t count the other guys money!!! Worry about yours!! We needed a PG and got a better than average defender, somewhat capable shooter, a guy who is tough as nails, and is better than what we had, Rome wasn’t built in a day, all we have to do is package up crawford and pachuilla and get Chris Kaman. Crawford is potential and he dosent play the point, bibby is washed up, and Mo Evans contract is up next year, its a one person trade, plus a low draft pick in a really weak draft. I think sund is overrated, but he did his thing on this one, GOOD JOB, If Crawford avg. 16 pts. a game next year its still a good move, BECAUSE HE DOESN’T PLAY POINT GUARD!!
more of the same
February 23rd, 2011
10:20 pm
another bad trade by the incompetent hawks management—this franchise is a total joke. I hope they leave with the thrashers.
John Tesh Nukes The Fish Heads
February 23rd, 2011
10:20 pm
Bobby Cox underachieved with superior talent: DEAL WITH IT!!
kral
February 23rd, 2011
10:20 pm
dang I like your guts SD..but that’s what got me banned from chickenshultzie…sorry…little of a personal vendetta there
Chuck UGA
February 23rd, 2011
10:21 pm
Hawks are A mess. Stuck and going nowhere, especially with this trade. Hinrcih has done nothing since leaving Chicago. Losing Bibby is a mistake, especially for the post-season. Hilton who? Guess this is no surprise since they did not have the will to hire a solid head coach. Hawks will be back to <.500 in two year. Going nowhere with lousy ownership and a lousy administration. It's all about the money.
Vick Supporter
February 23rd, 2011
10:22 pm
@more of the same
Hell no they shouldn’t sell the hawks. We still need some NBA around this “sports” town even though we will get destroyed in the playoffs
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just wondering
February 23rd, 2011
10:24 pm
O’k, so no one answered my question about Pop eye… so I looked it up from July 10th this past year.. Michael Cunningham’s article.. this guy sounds good.. MB or others, what’s up with him…
Pape Sy (pronounced “Pop See”) is getting positive early reviews. It seems he really did kind of come out of nowhere–he said he didn’t work out for any other teams, though Milwaukee had some interest.
– Pape said he played both guard positions in France. So how did a 6-7 French kid become a point guard? Credit his mother Fatim, whom Pape said coaches youth players in France. “When I was young I wasn’t really tall. [But] my dad is taller than me [so] my mom knows that I would be tall. So she [taught] me how to handle the ball and after that I grew.”
– Pape is legitimately 6-7 and quick with long arms. Those are the tools for a good defender and Pape also seems to have the tenacity for it. “He’s a good defender,” L.D. said. “Ask Jeff Teague. Took [the ball] from him. [Teague] got a little lackdasical with the ball and he just took it from him. He’s a gritty defender. He’s got good size, he’s got long arms and he’s got an aggression about him. You can’t be lax around him.”
basketballjones
February 23rd, 2011
10:27 pm
When we missed Deron Williams in the draft we were doomed…they also passed up some big bodies. I like Horford but not at center.
Deron Williams,Jamal Crawford,Joe Johnson,Josh Smith and a rebounding machine at center
would have run the old Celtics off the floor. Instead we are too small to rebound, and don’t have a point guard to run, so we walk the ball up and try to post up bigger players…not well thought out plan.
Henrick adds nothing to this mix.
O'Brien
February 23rd, 2011
10:28 pm
Mark,
How do u propose we get deron Williams? We don’t have any lottery picks (present or future ) that Utah would be interested in…
And we didn’t have a solid PG to offer either.
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Craig
February 23rd, 2011
10:29 pm
The Hawks and the Thrashers are both close to packing it in for the season. What a sad mess this ownership has put us in. Where is the basball season?
kral
February 23rd, 2011
10:29 pm
let’s see I think you must be onthe Hall of Fame comm..fishy head..but you need to stay of BC because he knows more about baseball than you know about flacid..well maybe not
kral
February 23rd, 2011
10:34 pm
i just can not imagine a ATL fan having a problem with BC…if you do…your a blooming idiot…an maybe and onion…go to outback
MitchC
February 23rd, 2011
10:36 pm
I like Mark as a person, and as a writer, but.. after.. two years of posting on his blogs about both the Hawks and Braves.,. I’m used to his.. rather pessimistic viewpoints on things.
Unless I missed something,. Mr Bradley.. you made clear that you thought this was not the right trade for the Hawks. What you did not say was.. what you thought would have been the right trade for the Hawks at this time.
While I don’t follow the Hawks as closely as I do the Braves.. I don’t take the same pessimistic view you do. Bibby was our oldest starter, and we got what you admit was a decent package for him.. so.. my question is.. what’s your beef? Did you think we should trade Joe Johnson, or Josh Smith?
People may not want to hear this.. but.. I’m not sure that the reality is, that this team hasn’t reached it’s peak. Maybe it is a team on the decline. We escalated in wins every year since 2005, maxing out at 53 last year. Maybe the reality is that we were just never as good as Boston, Orlando, LA, and weren’t going to win a championship.
Again, only my opinion, but I’m used to Mark’s style of writing by now. Hardly.. if ever.., about either the Braves.., or the Hawks.. have I ever heard him say.. “Yes, great move”.
nash
February 23rd, 2011
10:46 pm
Ha who the h__l is this Armstrong guy. I’ve never heard of this guy before. What team has he played for other than Washington. What was this guy thinking. In terms of loosing a first round pick this was a waste. Don’t the hawks all ready have two or three guys just like him that don’t play? What did Sund go back and get a version of Bibby from 3 years ago that can’t shoot as well. I am loosing faith in this team as the years go by. It’s like 2008 in reverse.
You guys suck
February 23rd, 2011
10:48 pm
Thanks for complaining, Mark. Where were they supposed to get an All-Star? What expiring contracts or enticing draft picks did they have as bait? Even a “better” player like Ray Felton would be a bad fit here because of his inability to hit the open three. Hinrich can fit into what the Hawks do, and do it better than Mike Bibby, who spent the last year auditioning to be an extra on “The Walking Dead.”
oknow
February 23rd, 2011
10:50 pm
ok now trade Josh Marvin and Jamal to Charlotte for Stephen Jackson and Gerald Wallace
Tn Fan
February 23rd, 2011
10:55 pm
I give a thumbs up to grip’s post. A man or woman with some sense!
G. Tampa Bedwetter
February 23rd, 2011
10:55 pm
The Hawks management started as a “Looney Toon” bunch of idiots; today is just this year’s edition.
oknow
February 23rd, 2011
10:58 pm
Hinrich/Teague
Joe/Stephen Jackson
Wallace/Wilkens
Horford/Powell
Armstrong/Collins/ZaZa
Tn Fan
February 23rd, 2011
10:58 pm
No way we can D Williams – we couldn’t offer more than the Nets
No way we get D Harris – he was part of the D Williams deal
Tried for Felton – Denver says they are not trading him
Tried for Sessions – could be that Mo Williams’ injury kept us from getting him
Phoenix is stupid and won’t trade Nash
So we got Hinrich.
I don’t think we could do much better.
vuduchld
February 23rd, 2011
10:58 pm
Another Hawks laugher. I told a friend of mine a few hours ago that the Hawks are joke. This sorry trade proves that.
BarneyStrickland
February 23rd, 2011
10:59 pm
The Hawks are gonna be sold…SOON. I laugh when everyone talks about the thrashers…. the Atlanta Spirit had to sign JJ to keep the nucleus together. Trust me on this Mark… You read it here first. The Hawks are much more sellable at this point…. at least they make the playoffs. It’s in the works…they are gonna stay in the ATL but they are gonna be sold!! That douche bag Michael Gearon has pissed away enough of Ted’s money…. nuff said….
MQ3000
February 23rd, 2011
11:00 pm
Can’t blame this one on Billy Knight….
loservill;e
February 23rd, 2011
11:04 pm
this is why the national media calls atlanta loserville—it fits. Total morons running these worthless franchises.
Barry Tompkins
February 23rd, 2011
11:05 pm
I love the Hawks west coast road trips!!
WTF!?
February 23rd, 2011
11:06 pm
GOD MARK BRADLEY!!!!!WHY DO YOU HAVE TO BE SO NEGATIVE RIGHT AFTER ANY ATL SPORTS TEAM MAKES A MOVE!!!!INSTEAD OF FIRING SUND,FIRE MARK BRADLEY!!!
just wondering
February 23rd, 2011
11:06 pm
O’k, we still have him in the instructional league… from Wikipedia (the sports authority)
Sy made his debut for the Flash on January 2, 2011, in a 99-83 loss the Bakersfield Jam. Sy notched 6 points, 3 assists, and 3 rebounds in 25 minutes off the bench.[12] On January 30, 2011, in a game against the Austin Toros, Sy had his best game to date with the Flash, notching 22 points, 2 rebounds, and 1 assist in 26 minutes.[13][14]
So he can’t be that bad. He also played for the French international team. He’s 23.
MB.. .did you fall asleep… a number of us are waiting for comments. You seem to just take a big dump in the middle of everyone’s living room and then go to bed… no exchange but early ones (and important ones making sure you give kudos to the no-life person who waits to sign on first)
g.rhone
February 23rd, 2011
11:07 pm
JJ and Marvin next..
MJC
February 23rd, 2011
11:11 pm
God, you guys are stupid. THIS IS A GOOD TRADE! BIbby can no longer play at a high level, Mo Evans is crap, and Jordan Crawford wasn’t/isn’t going to get any playing time. And do you honestly think we could have done something with the 20-something pick in the draft? Hinrich do everything Bibby does and CAN PLAY DEFENSE! He is also a scrappy player who tries on every play. Anyone who is saying this is a dumb trade DOESN’T KNOW HOW BASKETBALL WORKS!
Jack
February 23rd, 2011
11:14 pm
I completely agree with this. Kirk Hinrich isn’t going to do anything special, and giving away the draft pick shows that the management seems content with the team’s current situation. Why?…
DawgFan
February 23rd, 2011
11:16 pm
I think the News Reporter’s should Coach, they know what’s best for all sports teams
P Rose
February 23rd, 2011
11:17 pm
Only 38 days until Opening Day!
WTF!?
February 23rd, 2011
11:18 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIQc9HPTiDA <——–Kirk Hinrich Ankle Breaker to J.J. Redick HAHA
WTF!?
February 23rd, 2011
11:19 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIQc9HPTiDA <——–Kirk Hinrich Ankle Breaker to J.J. Redick HA
TLH404
February 23rd, 2011
11:19 pm
Please tell me this didnt just happen. PLEASE!!! I know the Atlanta Hawks did not just give up a first round pic to the Wizards for Hinrich. Somebody please!!!!! I’m a die heart Hawks fan but they *&^&%^%*Y*&^ organization man… Geezus!!!
DHD
February 23rd, 2011
11:20 pm
Bradley should buy the team. He knows much more than anybody else about the Hawks.
WTF!?
February 23rd, 2011
11:20 pm
Ripple effect mark bradley……….RIPPLE EFFECT…….
tc
February 23rd, 2011
11:21 pm
not that it matters, but where is this new guy from? Is he from the US? Just curious.
WTF!?
February 23rd, 2011
11:21 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIQc9HPTiDA
niremetal
February 23rd, 2011
11:28 pm
In case you needed more proof that Bradley thinks that everything you need to know about basketball can be learned from reading a stat sheet and watching the occasional nationally televised game)…aw hell, forget it.
MJC
February 23rd, 2011
11:28 pm
Hawks fans are stupid. Hawks fans think this trade is stupid. Therefore, by applying simple mathematical properties to real life, this trade is brilliant.
The Dude Abides
February 23rd, 2011
11:38 pm
At least Frank Wren cares about improving his ball club. Wish we had more guys like him around here, an agressive GM.
The Dude Abides
February 23rd, 2011
11:38 pm
Plus he knows how to draft.
atl
February 23rd, 2011
11:39 pm
@MJC you are right b/c the hawks fans don’t realize that we got rid of that bum mo evans who did nothing for us, I preferred damien wilikins over him
Hawks find point guard in Hinrich – Atlanta Journal Constitution
February 23rd, 2011
11:42 pm
[...] Atlanta Journal Constitution (blog) [...]
superiorblogman
February 23rd, 2011
11:42 pm
Great post Mr.Bradley. The Hawks needed a guy that gets to the FT line. They need to play Teague more. He was doing good tonight then LD just stop playing him. Well let me correct myself they need a real coach to start with. Lastly, Harris, Felton, even Mr. D League, Ramon Sessions, would be better than Hinrich.
RayBud
February 23rd, 2011
11:57 pm
Mr. Bradley…i have a question for you. Rumors have it that raymond felton isn’t satisfied with being in Denver since George Karl named Ty Lawson the “starter for the rest of the season”. We know that Felton and his agent aren’ts satisfied about this. What are the chances the Hawks make an attempt to swoop in on this? Would Felton seem to be a “missing” piece? I would love anyone’s take on this.
Twomuch
February 24th, 2011
12:01 am
All I can say is really Atlanta? You give away three players and a first round draft pick for two players. Kurt Hinrich is okay and the other guy sucks….not sure about this. But the Hawks have bad owners and no room to do anything thanks to selfish Joe Johnson that wanted the max amount of money a player could get. It’s fitting that they named the WNBA team the Dream cause Atlanta’s shot of winning a title in any sports is all just a dream.
Art Vandelay
February 24th, 2011
12:14 am
Don’t blame Joe Johnson for being overpaid. That’s ridiculous. Blame the Hawks for overspending on a guy with max-level talent but league minimum-level leadership qualities and no real desire to play good defense.
T_HEIGHT
February 24th, 2011
12:34 am
WOW Mark Bradley, You thought of all of that by YOURSELF!!!!
T_HEIGHT
February 24th, 2011
12:35 am
ONCE AGAIN, WHO IS RICK SUND!!!! LOL WHAT A JOKE!!!!
Easy Journalism
February 24th, 2011
12:36 am
It must be hard to write a column like “the Hawks should have traded for Deron Williams” without proposing a single way we go about it. Now that you’ve had some time to think about it, Mark, what do you think we would have traded to get him? Oh, you still haven’t come up with anything? Carry on then.
Akintayo Kuyoro
February 24th, 2011
12:37 am
There are 3 important sport teams in ATL 2 of them are committed to winning or at least let the public think that.Why do the Hawks have to be different? It seems like the word “Championship” does not resinate in the brains of anyone in the front office but i guess they cant if ASG does not but the first step is to FIRE sund asap. what do u think Mr. Bradley
tjhook
February 24th, 2011
12:40 am
All of this means we got lots more of bashing of Marvin Williams to do . . . I liked Bibby for us; I just understood he was an athlete with physical limitations. Marvin’s a scrub who think he’s valuable and ONLY Atlanta believes he is. Maybe we can do a three for one with San Antonio: Hinrich, Williams and ZaZa for Tony Parker. The spurs will be needing a center soon and they could rotate hinrich as a third guard with Ginobelli and George Hill. Think about TP running our team
T_HEIGHT
February 24th, 2011
12:44 am
THE GOOD THING ABOUT THIS IS TEAGUE AND DAMIEN GETS TO PLAY MORE I THINK. I ACTUALLY THINK TAKING AWAY MINS FROM BIBBY AND MO EVANS ACTUALLY MAKES THE TEAM BETTER. JOSH HAS TO PLAY HARDER, JOE AND J. CRAWFORD HAS TO PLAY SMARTER. HORFORD HAS TO PLAY TOUGHER. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE ZAZA, MARVIN, E. THOMAS, AND COLLINS TRADED NEXT.
tjhook
February 24th, 2011
12:47 am
And also forward James Anderson. Remember, mcdyess is leaving, Jefferson is older and they have a 4/5 getting groomed in Tiago Splitter. Hinrich may prove his worth yet. I just want someone who gets the greyhounds (Johnson, Smith, Horford, Crawford) to run. And Tony Parker would do an awesome job of it!
tjhook
February 24th, 2011
12:49 am
Hell, I’ll take George hill for Marvin Williams. Stop being a scrub, Marvin!!!
rebuild
February 24th, 2011
12:50 am
everyone who calls mark bradley negative doesn’t know anything about sports. I almost always agree with him because he is a realist…he doesn’t just praise everything atlanta management does, but rather talks about whether they are right or wrong in their doings. this is a flat out horrible trade.. we just gave up last years first rounder and another one for KIRK HINRICH…now we have even less of a future and we are stuck with a mediocre point guard. im irate at how ignorant these fans are, and more importantly how awful hawks management is. just an absolutely ridiculous trade, but im not surprised seeing some of the other moves the hawks have made in the last decade. pathetic absolutely pathetic
Eric
February 24th, 2011
1:19 am
Is it too late to call Billy Knight back??? Maybe the worst trade in Atlanta sports history, all that for a modern day Steve Kerr WOW!!! I want Rick Sund’s head for this.
Eric
February 24th, 2011
1:22 am
Enter your comments here
Twomuch
February 24th, 2011
1:33 am
Blame all of this on Joe Johnson…if he wasn’t getting the max then the Hawks could afford to make different moves. But one thing that Hinrich is; a very good defender and he will match up well against Rondo and the better point guards. Now that I think about it given the circumstances I think this was the best deal they could get. I still blame Joe Johnson for wanting all that money and not being a proven or willing team leader.
B'Red
February 24th, 2011
1:40 am
I dont see any improvement with this trade, New York might overtake them for the 5th seed come play off.
ga female
February 24th, 2011
1:42 am
What everyone is forgetting when they are bashing someone like Marvin Williams is, he is a good guy. A stand up young man. He is my neighbor an lives queitly in a neighborhood. He blends in, like a regular person and is not about the show or partying. He also only played on full year as a Freshman at North Carolina before he was drafted in the First Round. So yes he probably does have more raw talent than Michael Jordan. Unfortunately, he has not had Dennis Rodman in his prime playing on the same team like Michael Jordan did in Chicago.
On the other hand Jamal Crawford and his three dogs totally trashed a friend’s house he rented in buckhead for only a year. Completely trashed the house.
Twomuch
February 24th, 2011
2:01 am
@ga female What does any of that have to do with Hawks making a better team. But you must not know much about basketball to say just because Marvin Williams came out after his freshman year he has more raw talent then the greatest basketball player ever. I won’t say anything else about that comment…..All I can say is WOW…..
Mark Bradley`s Booster
February 24th, 2011
4:27 am
Mark: I remain your Booster on this one. What are your thoughts on the Hawks making another trade today before the deadline? Any chance of this happening?
tony
February 24th, 2011
4:50 am
I was lobbying for the hawks to go after Kirk Hinrich a while back but I would not have giving them a 1st round pick. This team needs a better head coach plain and simple.
Hire Bill Laimbeer.
Deron Williams / Williams Traded to Nets, Latest Star to Head East | Sporty Twits
February 24th, 2011
5:01 am
[...] for relevance. …Hawks get Hinrich, unload Bibby in five-player trade with WizardsExaminer.comKirk Hinrich: He's a solid pro, not a savior. (AJC photo by Curtis Compton)Atlanta Journal Constitution (blog)Wizards trade Kirk Hinrich to Atlanta HawksWashington PostSB [...]
John in Marietta
February 24th, 2011
5:16 am
Dumb trade. A little more should have gotten Deron Williams. Should not have wasted a 1st round pick on Heinrich let alone also including their recent #1 in Crawford. So Hawks tarde two #1 picks for Heinrich. GM should be fired.
Need their #1 to draft a point guard that thery just gave away. Hopefully, they can acquire a veteran PG in the meantime like Fernandez, Jarret Jack or Andre MIller to bridge the gap.
Dumb Hawks management at it again.
explorer
February 24th, 2011
5:53 am
This team is a JOKE! Everybody knows that the Hawks need a BIG MAN in the middle. The year will be just like any other. Will probably make it to the playoffs, but is gone the first round………..AGAIN.
John
February 24th, 2011
6:20 am
Not sure what the GM was thinking here. But at least they don’t have Coach Woodson anymore, who said, “We’ll be one of the elite teams…in about five years!”
Pauly
February 24th, 2011
6:41 am
Hinrich looks like Rudy Giluiani in that photo.
Chuck Taylor
February 24th, 2011
6:44 am
It would be OK . . . if the Hawks moved to Winnipeg.
Larry
February 24th, 2011
6:48 am
Well, at least we get to watch something a little different than the same bunch of double digit IQ tall guys all grossly over decorated with tattoos and earrings!
Atlanta is a city complimented the the highest concentration of highly educated and professional black citizens. There is a reason these folks do not clamor to these guys and fill up Phillips–they want their children to realize that below average intelligence will most likely lead to body piercings, injections of colored ink up and down your arms, lots of illegitimate children and the vocabulary and grammar of a 2nd grader.
Why on earth do you pay to watch this? Does putting a round ball inside of a larger circle do that much for you?
Atlanta Fan
February 24th, 2011
6:48 am
Atlanta Spirit Group = ASG = Another Stupid Trade sell the team and get ownership commited to winning
RA
February 24th, 2011
6:58 am
I think this may be the prelude to something a little more cunning. I think that this move might be part of a more comprehensive summer campaign. Unless, he’s stupid, and he’s not, Sund see’s that this team is fundamentally flawed. I think this is the first in a series of steps that he’s going to take. I hope I’m right.
Body Art ?
February 24th, 2011
6:58 am
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Tattoos are Trashy `
Twomuch
February 24th, 2011
7:00 am
Everyone in the Hawks organization knows that a big man is needed but there’s not many big men available in the league. The ones that teams will give up aren’t good so the easiest fix is a point guard. A point guard that plays great defense at that. And if you look at the future draft for next year there’s not much out there. So the Hawks are saving money they don’t have (thanks to Joe Johnson) by trading away that first round pick.
Dawggy Style
February 24th, 2011
7:03 am
Go ahead, blame Coach Woodson … or maybe it’s George Bush’s fault!!! This “team of the future” has lost its way and no one is to blame except for the players themselves! Joe Johnson, Josh Smith, et al. need to start earning their millions instead of expecting the second team to win every game for them!
Phillips Arena is a Hunk of Junk
February 24th, 2011
7:04 am
The Hawks organization has never been organized.
Twomuch
February 24th, 2011
7:08 am
@Larry if you don’t like basketball then why even comment on a basketball related post. Also the stuff you’re saying about basketball players you should say about others as well. There are a lot of people that have tattoos all over there body with illegitimate children and have bad grammar all over the world. The difference with sports players is a lot of them got a free education and are now millionaires. What they do with their personal life is their business. You probably don’t like sports because you were not good at it and picked last in every game you played as a child.
Some things are more important than money
February 24th, 2011
7:12 am
and basketball.
HAIRYBALLSINMYMOUTH
February 24th, 2011
7:24 am
sad. We need new owners.
El Bravo
February 24th, 2011
7:39 am
Most bloggers here are just having a visceral reaction to this trade instead of really analyzing it to determine its merit. When you look at it closer this is a pretty good trade. There are really two parts to this trade when you sit to negotiate: First, what do we have to give to get Kirk Hinrich? That is the first round we gave up. Now we need to figure out what else they get in order to make the salaries match (because we are just not going to take on luxury tax)? That is when we send Bibby and Evans. But there is no way that the Wizards take on these two dead-weights without incentive, hence, we include JC2 to make it palatable to the Wizards. There is no way that any team (other than the Hawks) would take on Bibby’s contract without a significant incentive…
freeeman
February 24th, 2011
7:52 am
Who Cares the NBA is pointless and the worse sport
We all know that it will come down to 2 teams from each conference (Lakers/Spurs vs Celtics/Heat)
THe Hawks could win 55+ games but they are NOT beating the Top 4 teams in the EAST.
gt
February 24th, 2011
7:55 am
The Hawk are into the body type more than the player. Even with this trade it was a long point guard as opposed to the shorter play maker. They skipped over those guards in the draft looking for that body type. One thing they do is out perform the predictions. I think as long as the press keeps them off the radar they are dangerous. Putting a hard nose white guard in the picture is going to be very interesting. This chemistry will either be better or their will be huge tension making the team worse. Not to mention losing a popular team member in Bibby who mixed in perfectly. Lets see how much the Hawks have matured, this will be a very good test. If they decide to let this happen in a mature manner this will be a better team.
Wendell
February 24th, 2011
8:00 am
I thought the Hawks were moving to Canada…
Larry
February 24th, 2011
8:00 am
“Twomuch,”
Change your user name to “Toolittle,” as in too little brains!
You wrote: “There are a lot of people that have tattoos all over there body…” The correct term is “their” body.
I rest my case!
jfreak13713
February 24th, 2011
8:03 am
They once again gave too much for the wrong player! I’m not opposed to Hinrich at all but as usual the Hawks were dealing from a position of weakness and gave up too much for a player who is far less than he use to be. Some things never change.
JSS
February 24th, 2011
8:04 am
Twomuch
February 24th, 2011
7:08 am
“@Larry if you don’t like basketball then why even comment on a basketball related post?”
Because he’s “Larry Bedford Forrest!” That’s his thing! He suckles at the nipple of John Kincade and hides away like Eric Robert Rudolph…
tony
February 24th, 2011
8:07 am
The people in this state bring misfortune to these teams…….BELIEVE IT OR NOT! Most of the comments I read from these blogs are racist and derogatory. Nothing good will never come out of that. That’s why get bad sports owners and bad gms.
Even when you get a good owner(MR Blank) your bad spirit will ceate malediction and blunders that will eventually ruin his efforts. Galatian 6:7and 8. Stop talking bad about God’s creation(people). Adam and Eve put all of us in this sinful imperfect state of mind. That’s why Jesus gave up his life in order for all of us to have a better life. Stop letting the devil use you as an instrument to further destroy mankind.
Jim
February 24th, 2011
8:10 am
When I evaluate a trade I ask myself one question. What other team wanted this guy? The answer for Hinrich is the LA LAKERS wanted this guy. Enough said, that’s all the affirmation I need, when the best organization in my lifetime of 40 years want the guy, he must be a good player.
Let it go people, if he is good enough for the 16 time champs, well you know the rest.
Peter
February 24th, 2011
8:10 am
Mark….This only shows how bad the Hawk management is giving up a first round pick, and not getting any better.
By the way how many 5 for 13 games with 13 points is Joe Johnson our ” ALL-STAR ” are we going to watch. He has been over paid, and this again proves management is Clueless.
The only way the Hawks get better, is when the team is sold period !
Milledgeville Dawg
February 24th, 2011
8:14 am
MB is an expert at all sports. The problem is all he does is cut down every coach in Georgia. Go back to Kentucky please.
MJC
February 24th, 2011
8:15 am
Two weeks ago: We need to trade Bibby and Evans
Hawks do that.
Now: But, but…they were important to our team! Plus, we traded a guy who has played a total of 66 minutes this year. We’re gonna miss him! AND a first-round pick? We always use our picks so wisely, though!
Seriously, this a good trade for both teams. Atlanta gets rid of Bibby’s contract and lack of defense, the worst player on the team in Mo Evans, and a player we weren’t playing anyways. Acting like we were going to do something with a first round pick in the 20s is absurd. And, out of all this, we now have a point guard that can play defense, drive in the lane, AND still be able to shoot. You guys are on crack if you think this is a bad deal.
tim
February 24th, 2011
8:17 am
I don’t get it…….The Hawks traded two 1st round draft choices & two players for one player who’s not all that. Armstrong is a wash.
Am I missing something??
JROLL1
February 24th, 2011
8:17 am
WHY IN THE WORLD WOULD WE HAVE TO INCLUDE OUR FIRST ROUND PICK IN THIS TRADE? MAKES NO SENSE AT ALL!
Yellow Jacket
February 24th, 2011
8:17 am
Comon Mark, gimmee a dig on Peeeuwitt and the latest Tech loss…..
KevinM
February 24th, 2011
8:19 am
MillegeDawg, you haven’t read Bradley lately…he has been slurping up Mark Fox. MB loves everything non-Hewitt and non-Cal.
And Kentucky doesn’t want him back…he can stay down here and bemoan the folks here just fine. Got Tipton?
JSS
February 24th, 2011
8:23 am
JROLL1
February 24th, 2011
8:17 am
“WHY IN THE WORLD WOULD WE HAVE TO INCLUDE OUR FIRST ROUND PICK IN THIS TRADE? MAKES NO SENSE AT ALL!”
Salary cap equalization…
And considering that Horford is the only pick whose panned out, and it is late 1st round…
KevinM
February 24th, 2011
8:25 am
The crying about our draft picks doesn’t make sense….please, show me the draft picks that we can brag about the last 10 years…..
Ready? Al Horford……..Josh Smith……………..anyone got anymore?
Draft picks are a waste here; they don’t develop players here….the let the players develop themselves. That’s why you see Josh shooting outside jumpers that shouldn’t be in his arsenal. Good thing Al had top talent before he came here…they weren’t going to bring in a big man coach to teach him anything…
So 2 #1s from us is like to lottery tickets to Mega Millions….you mean there’s a chance?
And Mike Bibby was abysmal; you don’t trade him straight up and get value in return….he is Kenshin Kawakami….a 1 trick pony.
Do you guys crying for draft picks and Bibby even watch the Hawks?
JSS
February 24th, 2011
8:27 am
Larry, your continued Erick Erickson homophobic slurs show how “intellectually” aware you’ve never been!
You still couldn’t “bust a grape!” Not in classroom, not on a athletic field, not in a sheep paddock!
HGN
February 24th, 2011
8:27 am
Heinrich is a upgrade over Bibby defensively. And is a better shooter on the move, and has more foot speed. The problem as I see it is The Hawks gave up far too much in Crawford AND a No.1…Maybe one or the other , but NOT both.
However, the one thing Rick Sund did not do, which is really the Hawks achilles heel, is he did not upgrade our bench. We have NO bench. Our first 5 can hang with most teams on any given night, but we lose games because we have no point production out of anyone except Jamal Crawford. If we ever get a solid productive bench we will be a force in the East.
Yoyo
February 24th, 2011
8:28 am
hawks are still twenty seven players from a good team. Last.
Yoyo
February 24th, 2011
8:29 am
Can the hawks please trade for Bieon Banders?
JSS
February 24th, 2011
8:30 am
And I “use my real name” everyday… You are just too knotted up in your small dark corner to realize it!
KevinM
February 24th, 2011
8:30 am
I never said I relish this trade…and its either Hindrich or JC1 that won’t be here next year.
But, Bibby is the last ranked PG in the league, and this gives Teague a slimmer of hope to show if he can handle the role. Hindrich will be the stability and provide ’some’ defense…so now when JC1 is on the court, there will still be 4 others defending.
Marvin, Zaza…only 2 more to go before 3pm ET today.
Yoyo
February 24th, 2011
8:31 am
Can the hawks trade for Beion Banders?
Larry
February 24th, 2011
8:34 am
KevinM,
Touché!
JSS
February 24th, 2011
8:35 am
Oh yeah, 1-9-6-6 still = zero! Now go buy some more antibiotic creme, another box of Band Aids, and open your copy of ‘Mein Kampf’ and lick your wounds from January 14th…
Yoyo
February 24th, 2011
8:37 am
Can the hawks trade for Huka Budu Zuka Sudo? She averages about 200 games a year for the last 75 years. Yes, that is 15,000 games and yes, she had 1 rebound and no points. Why? Because the hawks play like girls.
JSS
February 24th, 2011
8:39 am
Ha ha!!! You are hilarious!!!
Who’s
Who’s is a contraction of who is or, less commonly, who has.
Who’s watching TV?
Do you know who’s going to speak?
Who’s ready to go?
Who’s in the kitchen?
Who’s this?
Who’s already eaten?
Whose
Whose is the possessive of who or, somewhat controversially, which.
Whose book is this?
Do you know whose car this is?
I know a woman whose kids study there.
Whose side are you on?
An idea whose time has come.
“who’s” = “who has”
More band aids please…
Yoyo
February 24th, 2011
8:42 am
[L] [_] [S] [E] [R] [S]
Vanna, the hawks would like to buy an O.
Yoyo
February 24th, 2011
8:45 am
Look, the hawks can spell but they can’t play.
RB
February 24th, 2011
8:52 am
The Hawks by signing JJ to the max made a major mistake. Now they are scrambling to do anything. This Hawks team will not compete in the east for years to come. I no longer watch or attend Hawks games.
Kelvin
February 24th, 2011
8:58 am
Trade or no trade this team (The Hawks) will be a first round playoff exit.
UGASlobberknocker
February 24th, 2011
9:01 am
Hubie Brown spoke positively about the trade last night…I respect his opinion so I feel a little better..but Mark is right..this is not a standings or playoff result changer..The Knicks may not catch us for 5th seed, but we are now officially the 6th best team in the East and the Nets are closing fast.
JSS
February 24th, 2011
9:04 am
Someone must have run back to the “safety of Snarky Central?”
Won't get past 2nd round
February 24th, 2011
9:12 am
JSS, future draft picks don’t have a salary cap number associated with them. The Hawks got a better player. The Wiz wanted the pick and Jordan Crawford. Bibby’s the one who makes the salary cap math work – the Wiz have no use for him.
coolio
February 24th, 2011
9:14 am
Why didnt they get mo williams?
DMR
February 24th, 2011
9:17 am
Hawks make trade so they can say “We made a trade”. This does almost nothing for the Hawks. It does nothing to excite the fan base. It will surely not lead to an elevated status in the East; and you gave away a 1st round pick…not that the Hawks know what to do with those.
Brandon Carter
February 24th, 2011
9:20 am
At least Hinrich can play defense, Bibby couldn’t check anybody’s point guard in the NBA
Mark Bradley
February 24th, 2011
9:22 am
I think there’s a chance the Hawks could make another move before 4 o’clock.
It was not bad pick
February 24th, 2011
9:26 am
Nice trade but Pg is not Hawks problem…We need a big man..maybe ZaZa and Jamal can bring one here..i almost want Marvin to be traded..So he can come back and roast the Hawks with his sweet jumper, strong driving skills and monster post game that the hawks refuse to unleash…
It was not bad pick
February 24th, 2011
9:27 am
@ Mark bradley
No Hewitt bashing in 4 days…Are you ok….Hewitt fan
max money
February 24th, 2011
9:30 am
to keep jj happy, maybe the hawks can give him even more money, maybe up to $30 million per season. He’s good.
JSS
February 24th, 2011
9:34 am
“The pick” has a cap consideration in relation to 2011-2012. The Hawks “saved” that amount regardless of the CBA… Equalization should not be confused with making the trade work with the Cap… Sorry if it sounds like I was saying otherwise… Crawford was $1.1 million + say an equal selection = $2.1-$2.4 million…
Bizzaroneck
February 24th, 2011
9:35 am
I don’t know I think this could be a good move for the Hawks. I hate giving up a first round pick but we desperately needed someone that can defend on the perimeter. Hienrich can annoy Wade and Rondo, so they don’t slice through our defense. Bibby was atrocious on D as is Jamal. I still don’t think we get past the 2nd round but we will be a tougher out and more exciting to watch.
KevinM
February 24th, 2011
9:43 am
Hawks are 3-7 when Joe scores 12 or less….NBA TV letting us know that that is a big problem in Atlanta.
The Real JC
February 24th, 2011
9:48 am
Just once, I’d like to be involved in a trade deadline trade that gets covered in papers other than the AJC and the local paper of the place we’re trading with.
Kane337
February 24th, 2011
9:51 am
Hopefully the defense will improve with this trade. I got tired of seeing Bibby get beat by a dribbler driving to the basket where either Horford or JSmith had to bail him out.
JSS
February 24th, 2011
9:52 am
“Lastly, you now bore me, so please have the last word between us, little one.”
I guess all of that ranting made you forget the difference between a “Bath” and to “bathing” or to “Bathe?”
How’s the satellite connection in the bunker in the Chattahoochee National Reserve? Still publishing that Birthers newsletter?
Go crawl back to Ledbetter… Like Clarence Thomas, he loves baying for your acceptance, backhanded compliments and insults….
KevinM
February 24th, 2011
9:56 am
It was not bad pick
February 24th, 2011
9:26 am
Nice trade but Pg is not Hawks problem”
I don’t believe I have heard anyone else present that observation since the great Billy Knight turned in his resignation.
The Hawks problems are not isolated to the PG, but it is definitely an ongoing problem Who do you think leads the team on the court, into the 1/2 court? Bibby was only ranked 41st out of 32 teams….is that possible to hold a starting position ranked that low?
How about Marvin Williams? Where does he rank? Did you see his numbers last night? 1-7 2pts in 29min….did you see his defense? How many times did he look around and see someone grabbing an offensive rebound?
If Slick Rick can move Marvin before the 3pm deadline…is it 3 or 4 Mark?….its 3 by the way…NBATV has a special at 2..that will be a coup of epic proportions….we can then move forward and find assets that match their output.
Like the housing crunch, we are upside down with Marvin and we may never break even going forward.
ladyhawk
February 24th, 2011
9:58 am
I think this was a good trade for the Hawks.I believe Hinrich is a upgrade over Bibby on both ends of the floor.As much as i love Bibby his lack of defense has killed us on dribble penetration.Hinrich is known as a hard nosed defender that can defend both guard positions.He wont hurt the team on offense either.I also believe that Armstrong will add depth to the front court,and is a upgrade over the incumbent Zaza and the slow immobile Collins.And with Evans gone,Wilkins will get a chance to prove that he can still play in this league.Overall i think this trade will open up other doors for the Hawks and will make us a better team.Im keeping my fingers crossed though.
Jim
February 24th, 2011
9:59 am
I am just glad I don’t have to watch Bibby jack up another 3 pt shot. The only point guard that does not go inside the three point line period. I don’t care who they picked up, has to better than Bibby.
O'Brien
February 24th, 2011
10:04 am
ZaZa Pachulia was held out of the game last night beucase of trade discussions. But he has 2 years, $10 mil left on his deal, and the Hawks have no first round picks to offer until 2013 (you can’t trade consecutive first round picks). So I dont know who would want ZaZa.
MArk,
GT lost again last night (at home) to VA. They are 3-10 in the ACC. I think even if they win the ACC tournament, Hewitt is gone regardless…
Mark Bradley
February 24th, 2011
10:09 am
I attended the game, O’Brien.
It was not bad pick
February 24th, 2011
10:16 am
@KevinM
the Lakers just won a ring with Fisher starting at pg..Westbrook blew past him time and time again, but they have Gasol and bynum…we need a center..Look at the final 4 teams last year..Bos(Perkins)La(Bynum),Orlando(howard),PHX(Lopez)..We are too small, No way we advance in the playoffs without a center
JewelNelson
February 24th, 2011
10:16 am
Its ok to trade crawford and bibby for hinrich for to throw in mo evans was a mistake. MO EVANS SHOULD HAVE BEEN GETTING MORE MINUTES BECAUSE HE IS A GREAT SCORER WHEN GIVEN THE MINUTES. WHATEVER LACK OF SCORING PUNCH THAT THE HAWKS HAD, THEY WOULD HAVE GOTTEN IT FROM MO EVANS HAD MO EVANS BEEN GIVEN BIBBYS MINUTES. THE REST OF BIBBYS MINUTES SHOULD HAVE BEEN GIVEN TO TEAGUE USING BIBBY AS A MENTOR TO TEAGUE. The hawks would have been better off not making this trade if they were going to lose mo evans by pulling the trigger. The Hawks are worse off now and will not make a playoff run.
peter
February 24th, 2011
10:18 am
the facts are that the Hawks moved two expiring contracts and a rookie who can shoot but was hopelessly lost on the floor (otherwise known as clueless dufess syndrone). Marvin is not tradeable and Josh’s stock is falling due to his immaturity. Everyone is locked up – contract wise – except Jamaal. Hinrich brings passion (something this team lacks), defense and a pretty good shot. Lets hope that Armstrong’s toughness can rub off on our bigs. Just have to wait and see but I believe we got better
smitty derf
February 24th, 2011
10:18 am
The Hawks are stuck between a rock and a hard place. They need to play Horford at the 4 spot with a serious center at 5. To do that they would have to play Josh Smith at 3 where he is a failure time after time cause he is no shooter and can’t handle the ball. Smith has to play 4 on offense and 3 on defense he can do but it takes him away from the lane where he is a good shot blocker and rebounder. Smith, as great an athlete as he is , has to go for a Carmello type player and a center. This means losing fans and really having to rebuild the team. tough choices
Najeh Davenpoop
February 24th, 2011
10:18 am
“So he can come back and roast the Hawks with his sweet jumper, strong driving skills and monster post game that the hawks refuse to unleash…”
Thanks, I needed the laugh this morning.
elroy
February 24th, 2011
10:22 am
the ajc should trade bradley, ledbetter & rodney ho for a columnist to be named later. You guys suck!
baller
February 24th, 2011
10:24 am
what they got was someone that can beat the crap out of Rondo in a 7 game series….could prove brilliant if they face the Celtics in the playoffs
Wolfman
February 24th, 2011
10:25 am
Drew II Who?
JSS
February 24th, 2011
10:27 am
@ O’Brien…
I asked last night, do the Hawks finally use the Trade exception that they acquired in the Childress deal in relation to any deal with ZaZa? Isn’t something like $3.6 million?
WHO CARES
February 24th, 2011
10:39 am
DO WE STILL HAVE AN NBA TEAM? WHO OWNS IT? OH WAIT THEY
ARE STILL BATTLING IT OUT IN COURT. THIS FRANCHISE IS AND
ALWAYS HAS BEEN A DISGRACE TO THIS CITY. NO DIRECTION
NO CLUE. WHEN FRATELLO LEFT SO LEFT THE HAWKS. I WILL
GIVE YOU LENNY WILKENS BUT THEN THEY TRADED NIQUE
WHO WAS HAVING ONE OF HIS BEST SEASONS. NO PLAYERS WANT
TO PLAY HERE AND THIS FRANCHISE WILL NEVER EVER WIN A CHAMPIONSHIP
WITH THIS OWNERSHIP.
WHO CARES
February 24th, 2011
10:44 am
Mark,
Good article but can we please quit talking about Chris Paul. I know you were forced to
write this article because no one in his right mind would want to cover the Hawks on
their own. I have seen it all Tree Rollins, Charlie Kriss, Moses, Reggie Theus, Danny
Manning, the list goes on and on. When Turner sold the team it was over. Until we get
an OWNER not an ownership. The franchise is done
Puzzled
February 24th, 2011
10:47 am
It appears that this move was made to shake up the remaining cast of characters. Hinrich, I don’t think, adds much more to the Hawks than Bibby provided. He’s 30, Bibby is 33 in May (some here wanted Nash, who is 37).
The Hawks gave up too much for what they received in return. Bibby, Mo, and Crawford or round 1 pick, but not all four. Armstrong will join the Hawks weak bench, and see no playing time other than filler time at the end of blowouts like against the Lakers on Tuesdat.
They already have Collins, Powell, Thomas, and Zaza, now they ad Armstrong. I’m convinced he was a throw in that Washington insisted be a part of the trade. Otherwise it would have been Bibby, Mo, JC2, and the round 1 pick for Hinrich.
Hawks fornt office has to get better at talent evaluation, and make sure that the players they draft are developed. There’s no way that Marvin Williams should contribute as little as he does for where he was picked in the draft. Either he was poorly developed by the Hawks, or he was poorly evaluated by the Hawks.
JJ and JC1 have not performed well over the past few games. The Hawks have no bench at all. Mo was a good bench player last year, but just hasn’t been the same this year (maybe the injury). Outside of JC1, who on the bench is going to give them some productive playing time?
Puzzled
February 24th, 2011
10:56 am
@peter,
What two expiring contract are you referring to? Bibby is signed through next season, same as Hinrich. I just don’t see how the Hawks got a lot better, unless this moved shakes up the guys left behind (JJ, JC1, Josh, etc.)
Josh should spend the summer, (which will be longer than last, because the Hawks will be done in round 1 of the playoffs) shooting jumpers, since he wants to play on the perimeter.
JeJe
February 24th, 2011
10:58 am
Is Hinrich really hurt? I know he’s had a few minor injuries this year
Simple Jack
February 24th, 2011
11:08 am
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Vino25
February 24th, 2011
11:50 am
We have three all stars already all we needed was some body to run the team… Via Boston celtics
and give teague more time to develope good trade!!!!!! all we need is a center that can rebound and play defense and we good… Remember we gave up nothing we need right now for something we need right now.. paying four all stars and depth is expensive!!! we have three!!! already
B C
February 24th, 2011
11:53 am
The Hawks are a pathetic organization!!! Nice job Sund….what a bold move! You just gave away a veteran guard who, while he may be a defensive liability at this point in his career, is also one of the best 3 pt. shooters in the game, Mo Evans, and Jordan Crawford who was a first round pick, oh and let’s not forget a 2011 FIRST ROUND PICK…For a JOURNEYMAN guard!!!! What a joke! We may be worse!!!
B C
February 24th, 2011
11:56 am
Hey Vino, got news for you….Jeff Teague is NOT the answer. He is not an NBA starter!
MJC
February 24th, 2011
12:00 pm
The Hawks also gained a $1M trade exception.
B C
February 24th, 2011
12:02 pm
Could have had Paul, Williams, Rondo, but rest easy Hawks fans, our worries are over because we got KIRK HINRICH!!! I’m sure the rest of the league is shaking in its boots!!! Does this BRILLIANT move make the Hawks any better at all…..NO!!!
joey
February 24th, 2011
12:09 pm
per hoopsworld.com the hawks are trying a 2nd deal with marvin jamal possibly zaza with possibly utah for al jefferson or portland
Kane337
February 24th, 2011
12:11 pm
Centers are hard to find or they are always hurt (i.e Yau Ming, Greg Oden).
You have to be in the bed with the NBA like the Lakers and get a Pau Gasol for basically nothing.
joey
February 24th, 2011
12:19 pm
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Shriveled Dick
February 24th, 2011
12:28 pm
I don’t think it is bad trade. We got rid of very marginal at best parts. Jordan Crawford has a lot of holes in his game. The first round pick would only be another space eater that is better used for a veteran that has proven a little something by still being in the league. Hinrick can help some. Armstrong is prayer.
DAVID LANE
February 24th, 2011
12:48 pm
Man I swear that this team did nothing to improve is completely insane to me. Just getting the s**t beat out of us every other game and to sit and do nothing. The most underachieving team in professional sports. The coach is soft, our so called superstar is soft and now the business end is the softest of all. Absolutely freakin unreal. Go Hawks.
Just SHOOT Me
February 24th, 2011
1:03 pm
Look – not the player I really wanted to get, but AT LEAST they did something. I mean think about it for a second: Hawks are 5-6 last 11 games and 8-14 against teams over .500. Those are some pathetic numbers. Something had to be done and fast! Hinrich does play defense which is a plus. The other guy we got in the deal is a nobody and will help about as much as Pape Sy does. So all in all it’s a start. There’s another 2 hours left before the deadline is over. Heres saying a prayer another move can be made.
Marvin
February 24th, 2011
1:19 pm
Good trade to at least address the point guard position. I felt that we needed a better defensive presence at that position. Anyone that feels that Josh Smith needs to be traded is a buffoon. He is the glue that has kept this team from playing .500 basketball to this point. Throughout all the injuries, what starter has been there through it all, giving excellent defensive play as well as offensive presence when it was least expected? Who is the ONE player that makes opponents think twice when entering the paint after Bibby’s matador defense allows it? What other player that you can trade for will bounce back and forth between power forward and small forward in one defensive set? I contend J-Smoove is the most important player in this current system. Horford is a very close second. Joe Johnson needs to become that matchup BEAST that we expect him to be instead of playing soft. He should be a 25 point scorer every night. Hawks’ weakness is their propensity to have bad offensive starts and having to spend energy playing catchup.
James Walsh
February 24th, 2011
1:24 pm
Wow. The negativity on here is unbelievable. This was an excellent trade for the hawks. We got someone to take Bibby, which is a win on its own. Bibby was a huge negative for our team. Mo Evans is at best average. Jordan Crawford barely even plays and the 2011 first rounder is worth next to nothing. The Lakers targeted Hinrich to take over for Fisher, so acting like Hinrich isn’t a valuable point guard is foolish. Our next trade needs to be for a big. This trade makes us better, but if anyone is serious about winning a championship, we need a true C. Someone has to be able to defend the paint, although it should be easier now without bibby’s man sprinting past him into the lane. Horford and Joe are good enough to be 2 of your “big three” players. Hinrich is good enough to be starter on a championship caliber team. I would like to see us trade for one more guard and one more true Center. We are a quality big man away from being a contender in my humble and worthless opinion.
Jack Nine Offsuit
February 24th, 2011
1:36 pm
Honestly, I don’t understand those who think this was a bad trade. Was it an earth-shattering, “turn the Hawks into title contenders” type of trade? No, definitely not. But the Hawks did get better. Hinrich will be MUCH better defensively than Bibby. Now the Hawks don’t have to base their whole defensive scheme around compensating for Bibby’s atrocious D. Offensively, “Hinrich for Bibby” is about a wash.
Plus, the Hawks gave up next to nothing: Bibby = defensive liabilities far outweigh any offensive contributions he makes. Evans = dime a dozen player, hundreds of other players just like him in league. Crawford = raw project at best, wasn’t going to play ahead of Johnson/Jamal Crawford. 1st round pick = mid to late at best, look at how little the Hawks have gotten from past #1 picks.
Hawks got better so good trade. But there’s a lot more to be done IF the goal is to be title contenders.
bro
February 24th, 2011
1:42 pm
NO ONE IN THEIR RIGHT MIND CARES IF THE HAWKS MAKE A TRADE OR NOT. THE POWERS THAT RUN THIS MESS-AND MESS IS THE RIGHT WORD-ARE REAL IDIOTS. YOU HAVE GOT TO SPEND TO GET TALENT AND MANAGEMENT DOES NOT KNOW TALENT WHEN THEY SEE IT-UNLESS IT IS ON ANOTHER TEAM. THE HAWKS ARE NOT EVEN A BETTER THAN AVERAGE PRO TEAM. DON’T WASTE YOUR MONEY ON A TICKET.
eazy
February 24th, 2011
1:43 pm
wonder what mcdavid is thinking now
Dr. Warren
February 24th, 2011
1:44 pm
Why wasn’t a Deron Williams trade attempted?? We know we aren’t getting any better than 50 wins, so why no shake it up a bit? I think Joe Johnson and Marvin and Bibby and Jordan Crawford for Williams would have been a great trade. Even if Williams left after next year then at least we’d be free of the JJ contract albatross.
TampaHawk
February 24th, 2011
1:48 pm
Good article, but he wasn’t brought in for scoring he was brought in because he can play defense, penetrate off the dribble and do more than stand and shoot 3’s. Even though the Hawks lost some depth their team won’t get as tired from chasing other teams point guards all over the court cause Bibby couldn’t keep up. You have to give something to get something, One draft pick and Jordan Crawford isn’t giving up the future. Not every trade needs to be a superstar.
coach phil
February 24th, 2011
2:11 pm
we should have traded rick sund and the whole cheap atlanta spirit. it takes money to make money. the spirit should know this. look at the braves.
Shawn
February 24th, 2011
2:12 pm
The Spirit group has proven that they are the typical Atlanta sports franchise owners who are only concerned about ownership instead of CHAMPIONSHIPS. I am a die ATL fan but how long can one stay interested in Atlanta sports when losing is the norm, and no owner is pushing hard to break this mediocre just get to the play off mentality! J.Crawford should be starting and M.Willian should on the bench. A true point guard with speed, leadership and SCORING skills and a real Center (hint, native son Dwight Howard and not a guard that can PLAY center) should be perused. I’m glad we’re wining games and I wish all players the best, but I can’t keep buying playoff tickets just to be crushed and embarrassed by the heckles of opposing fans, it is time to be the hecklers. Management is usually the make or break of any operation and as we can see the Hawks leadership has drained Atl’s SPIRIT!
Signed,
Still waiting to be EXCITED!
nique
February 24th, 2011
2:15 pm
For this long time fan, it’s becoming increasingly more difficult to care about the Hawks. Too many disappointments in play and front office moves.
Shawn
February 24th, 2011
2:15 pm
The Spirit group has proven that they are the typical Atlanta sports franchise owners who are only concerned about ownership instead of CHAMPIONSHIPS. I am a die hard ATL fan but how long can one stay interested in Atlanta sports when losing is the norm, and no owner is pushing hard to break this mediocre just get to the play off mentality! J.Crawford should be starting and M.Willian should on the bench. A true point guard with speed, leadership and SCORING skills and a real Center (hint, native son Dwight Howard and not a guard that can PLAY center) should be perused. I’m glad we’re wining games and I wish all players the best, but I can’t keep buying playoff tickets just to be crushed and embarrassed by the heckles of opposing fans, it is time to be the hecklers. Management is usually the make or break of any operation and as we can see the Hawks leadership has drained Atl’s SPIRIT!
Signed,
Still waiting to be EXCITED!
phil
February 24th, 2011
3:15 pm
Brilliant move. Trade for an 8th year player who can’t play, with a power forward who clearly can’t play thrown in and hand over a first round draft pick in return…while also giving away 2 guys who, while not very good themselves, at least had pulses.
Who is running this team? Me? This is just beyond sad to watch…
phil
February 24th, 2011
3:16 pm
This will qualify as an “excellent trade” when the defense improves and we make it out of round 2. Not before then.
john
February 24th, 2011
3:21 pm
All these “bigs” being traded…NONE to Atlanta…PATHETIC!
PerryHenderson
February 24th, 2011
3:32 pm
The Hinrich trade is the FINAL PIECE in the puzzle for the Hawks to become WORLD CHAMPIONS. Ok everything is set now the rest of the league to now be “AFRAID OF THE HAWKS”. The other teams now will clear the path for the Hawks to be crowned as CHAMPIONS OF THE WORLD.
rebuild
February 24th, 2011
3:36 pm
the stupidity here is astounding…how can anyone possibly think this is a good trade? does anyone here actually believe that kirk hinrich is worth 2 first round picks? its pathetic how clueless hawks ownership is, and how clueless some of you are. Not to mention the fact that we still aren’t anywhere near good enough to actually compete…what a ridiculously stupid trade. absolutely awful
rebuild
February 24th, 2011
3:38 pm
on another note we desperately needed that first round pick in order to draft the superstar we need. now we don’t have a first rounder for next year, and will continue to get worse as we get pounded by joe johnson’s 6 year contract. such a dumb trade
GunnerWashington
February 24th, 2011
3:50 pm
The sad thing about the Hawks is that the one player who the Hawks needed desparately (a premier point guard), the Hawks should have already had (either Deron Williams or Chris Paul). The Hawks could have drafted either of the leagues premier point guards AHEAD OF MARVIN WILLIAMS. The Hawks brass, however, felt that Marvin was a sure bet to be the “SECOND COMING OF CHRIST” in the NBA. Marvin, although has stumbled out of the gate in his NBA career so far, will someday be an elite player and should still make the hall of fame provided he continues to be a starting player. Marvin will be great in the end provided he doesnt get kicked out of the league before then.
LOS-GRID IRON
February 24th, 2011
5:07 pm
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LOS-GRID IRON
February 24th, 2011
5:14 pm
Enter your comments here hey guys lets face it I’m a life long Atl sport guy we will never win a championship with a true penetrating point guard and a legitment 7 ft center. We need a mental engine to drive this force as a true establish coach. No matter what we do we are not going to win a championship around JJ.
Puzzled
February 24th, 2011
6:03 pm
I live in the northeast, and have been listening to allof the fanfare around the Knicks’ & Nets’ trade. They have had interviews with the players, the GMs, the Coaches, and in the Knicks’ case, the owner. The Nets’ owner wasn’t intervied because he’s on a vacation in Asia somewhere.
I haven’t seen anything in print from the Hawks brass as to why they made this trade, and what they hope comes out of it. Can anyone provide links to stories or pod cast where there’s detail from the organization?
Mark
February 24th, 2011
7:50 pm
Not an Okay trade…TERRIBLE trade. I welcome aboard Hinrich with open arms. Yes, Mo was ‘expendable’ and Bibby is getting old, and Hinrich is a good NBA player. But, to trade away Jordan Crawford after one season who they RAVED about this summer and trade away their first round pick for next year is just asinine. Yes Hilton is a big body but so far he has been an NBA BUST…we can only hope he improves. If they were doing it to free up cap space, I wouldn’t have minded, but if they were doing that you don’t trade away a rookie and a first round draft pick….those are what you need to go after. Their going to maybe be a shade better this year and they are going to get much worse later on because of this trade. STUPID TRADE!!! Hinrich and Hilton PLEASE prove me wrong…
The Game Has Changed
February 24th, 2011
9:01 pm
No more of this Chirs Paul and Deron Williams crap. Even with them we would not have won a RING. Did they do it with the Hornets or Nets? NO And next year they both will be in different cities than what drafted them. This would have been the same outcome if either were in Atlanta. GET OVER IT
Willie T.
February 24th, 2011
9:54 pm
I am a long time Hawks fan and will support the team to the end. Hinrich was the best choice available and I am happy with the trade. Bibby did his job and should be thanked for his service, but it was time for the Hawks to move forward. Sund make several bad choices by signing Bibby, ZaZa, and Marvin for too much money and for too many years. Giving up a #1 pick in the 20s would have been meaningless, JC2 is a possible loss but who knows, Mo no loss, but the Hawks did what they had to do.(move on)
Now, the two current players who should enjoy Hinrich’s services the most are JJ and Josh. Hinrich is a smart player who knows his strengths and weaknesses. Strengths are penestrates, dishes, and can shoot; he will open the floor for JJ mid range game and Josh has to attack/fill the lane for easy points along with and 1s.
As fans, we need to support what the team is now. Remember there are no great team in the East; they have flaws.
Go Hawks!
gcs
February 24th, 2011
10:41 pm
Typical Atlanta Spirit.
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Paul Stanley
February 24th, 2011
10:58 pm
OK Bufoons….and this is including Mark Bradley. You think that they should have traded more to get Deron Williams?
I am willing to bet the $$ in my wallet (a lot more the any of you have) that you didn’t know that Williams is scheduled to make $17.7 million in 2012-13, and that he can walk away after that season.
So you retard GM wannabees would have traded multiple draft picks and Marvin and more to pay Deron (and have no more cap room for ANYONE else). Thank god we don’t have you running the team.
joe
February 25th, 2011
6:42 am
why do reporters keep asking Marvin for his comments/opinions? He is a non entity on the Hawks and a constant reminder of the Hawks draft day ineptitude. He is a prime example of a guy that is just collecting a check( a large one ). Hawks suck !
June
February 25th, 2011
7:35 am
I can tell many of you never picked up a Basketball…This was a steal for the Hawks ….Captain Kirk is what they needed …Joe Johnson is a Vet he needed a Point Guard who can still penetrate and Hit open jumpers …Bibby can shoot but he can’t drive…..They Hawks truly wanted Sessions from the Bucks but they wanted all involved and Marvin Williams which would have been stupid…Hinrich is a poor mans Steve Nash but younger …Next year the big trade will be made that will include Josh Smith and Marvin Williams ..Hawk management did a great job with what they had ….
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CybilSheppard
February 25th, 2011
2:35 pm
THE HAWKS SHOULD TRADE MARVIN WILLIAMS STRAIGHT UP FOR DWIGHT HOWARD. This move would give the Hawks the center they need and they can move Al Horford back over to his natural power forward position. Making this move right now will give the Hawks an NBA championship.
WreckingBall
February 25th, 2011
3:15 pm
The Hawks should sell their team owned by the Spirit Group and move them to another planet; MARS. The day of the sale, the Hawks management and players should take the first rocketship to Mars and set up shop up there. Its useless because the Hawks will fail whatever location they move to. They are simply not committed to do anything but make money hand over fist and that is enough for them. Winning a championship is the LAST THING THE HAWKS WANT TO DO. IF THEY DID, THEY WOULD HAVE ACQUIRED A BIG-NAME FREE AGENT SUCH AS LABRON JAMES, CARMELLO ANTHONY OR DERON WILLIAMS INSTEAD OF WATCHING OTHER TEAMS CASH IN BIG AND DRAMATICALLY IMPROVE THEIR CLUBS. The Hawks instead unloaded Bibby and Mo Evans, giving up way too much to acquire Hinrich. If Larry Drew had known how to use Bibby and Mo Evans, Drew would have gotten 60 points out of those two players every night. Instead, Evans and Bibby were given incidental minutes and were brought into games at times that were disproportionate and inappropriate in terms of scoring points. Timing is everything and Drew didnt know how to make synchronized substitutions with gifted players such as Bibby and Evans. If Avery Johnson or Don Nelson were coaching the Hawks this year with all the talent they have, the Hawks would have won 70 games.
LeonSpencer
February 28th, 2011
3:03 pm
The Hawks were sharp at the Rose Garden in Portland last night. The Hawks played a solid game on the road and checked off a “W”. The Hawks should have traded Josh Smith, Mo Williams and Mike Bibby for Dirk Norwinski. That move might have brought them a championship to the A-T-L at the end of this season.