Live from Philips Arena: Should the Hawks try a Magic trick?

Joe Johnson: Still a Hawk. Vince Carter: No longer Magic. (AJC photo by Curtis Compton)

Vince Carter: No longer Magic. Joe Johnson: Still a Hawk. (AJC photo by Curtis Compton)

The Hawks spent the past two seasons trying to get past Orlando, trying and failing. A check of the standings shows that Atlanta is again gazing up at the Magic, though the Magic team that will appear tonight at Philips Arena has been rendered unrecognizable. Because we saw over the weekend how much the Magic valued simply finishing ahead of the Hawks.

With two trades, the Magic dumped everyone of note except Dwight Howard and Jameer Nelson. Vince Carter, gone. Rashard Lewis, gone. Mickael Pietrus, gone. Marcin Gortat, gone. For those keeping score at home, that marks an offloading of two starters and two rotational subs.

The Magic wound up with Hedo Turkoglu, who used to play for Orlando but left as a free agent, plus Gilbert Arenas, Jason Richardson and Earl Clark. That’s a major December overhaul for any team, especially one that holds fourth place in the NBA East. (The Hawks are fifth.) And there’s no guarantee it will work. But functionality isn’t the issue today; ambition is.

The Magic reached the NBA finals in 2009 and looked primed to do it again last season, but they were bounced in the Eastern Conference finals by Boston, which entered the playoffs as the East’s No. 4 seed. Orlando had just obliterated the No. 3 seed — your Atlanta Hawks — by the record aggregate of 101 points in four numbing Round 2 games.

Then LeBron James made his Decision and the NBA Southeast — heck, the whole NBA — changed. The Magic entered the season having chosen to combat the star-spangled Miami Heat with good ol’ continuity. That worked for a while: Orlando won 15 of its first 19 games. Then it hit a rough patch. (How rough? Well, the Magic lost at home to the Hawks.) Meanwhile, the Heat embarked on a winning streak that has reached 12 games and lifted LeBron’s crew to the top of the division.

And Orlando, depending on your slant, either recognized reality or panicked big-time. His team having lost four times in five games, Magic general manager Otis Smith deep-sixed a blueprint that won 59 games last season to bet on the likes of Arenas, who was suspended by NBA last season for celebrating Bring Your Firearm To Work Day, and Turkoglu, who isn’t as good now as he was when he left Orlando 18 months ago.

Which brings us, however circuitously, to the Hawks. They’ve had the same starting lineup since Mike Bibby arrived in February 2008. They’ve had success — taking the champs-to-be Celtics to Game 7 in 2008; winning a playoff series in 2009 and 2010; going 100-64 over the past two regular seasons — but they’ve exited the same way two springs running: Getting swept in Round 2. Yet these Hawks are essentially the same as last season’s, the only difference being the head coach.

The Hawks won their first six games under Larry Drew, who was promoted when management, such as it is, decided Mike Woodson’s longtime assistant was just the man to take them where Woodson could not. They’ve since gone 11-12, losing to every opponent of note save Orlando. Joe Johnson missed 2 1/2 weeks, which didn’t seem to matter one way or another, which doesn’t say much for the Hawks’ decision to keep him at the staggering cost of $120 million.

And now we ask: The Hawks have changed coaches and re-upped Johnson, and they’re on pace to win 48 games, down from the 53 of last season. They’ve done little to suggest they’d have a postseason prayer against the Celtics or the Heat  — the Magic’s status is in definite flux — and by shedding Woodson the Hawks essentially said, “We want to do better.”

The Magic saw themselves as not being quite good enough and took a flier. Should the Hawks, who weren’t as good as the Magic, do the same? Should they break up their longstanding Core Four? If so, who’d leave? (By process of elimination, it would have to be Josh Smith. Al Horford’s too good, and nobody would take Johnson’s salary and nobody wants Marvin Williams.) Do they cut ties with Jamal Crawford, who’s seeking a new contract?

Or do they stay the course, even if the course isn’t apt to take them anywhere they haven’t already been? The Magic weren’t satisfied with what they’d done and what they had. Are the Hawks?

By Mark Bradley

About here, we move to the snappy discourse part of our program. I’m at the arena and will be happy to chat with one and all about the Hawks, the Magic and the world in general. And you should know that the Magic are starting a team — Turkoglu and J. Richardson are in the lineup — that hasn’t yet practiced. Said Stan Van Gundy, the Orlando coach: “The Hawks have been together six years; we haven’t been together six hours.”

Please join me for a fun-filled and frolicsome evening. To borrow from James Brown: Please, please, please. As ever, I thank you in advance.

209 comments Add your comment

Caleb

December 20th, 2010
8:34 pm

Lead up to 9

Caleb

December 20th, 2010
8:34 pm

Caleb

December 20th, 2010
8:34 pm

Bck to nine hahah

Kevin Willis

December 20th, 2010
8:35 pm

It looks like were not settling on jump shots early in the 2nd half, besides the bibby 3

Mark Bradley

December 20th, 2010
8:35 pm

Hawks by 11. Joe with three quick hoops.

Jt

December 20th, 2010
8:37 pm

I hate to say it, but I think JJ is the most expendable. Horford is not! Not going to get anything of value really for Marvin-can only move laterally and since he has been a part of this team for all these years that makes him less expendable. I think most would say Josh should be moved. I think that is absurd. I think he is second only to Al in expendability(according to Microsoft, I coined that word). He is too valuable on so many fronts- scoring, block shots, rebounding, energy- he is not expendable. That leaves JJ- consistent scorer over the long haul. Can take over games at times but hardly ever dominates. I understand why the Hawks originally signed him and understand why they had to overpay to keep him. But of the four- he is expendable and can bring the most back including salary relief.

Kevin Willis

December 20th, 2010
8:38 pm

Can you all imagine a point guard like nelson on the hawks

Mark Bradley

December 20th, 2010
8:38 pm

Jameer Nelson leaves Mike Bibby. Six-point game

Jeff D.

December 20th, 2010
8:39 pm

Mark, did you hear one of the ESPN talking heads say this about the Magic’s big trades. “It seems like the Magic are merely rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.” Love it!

JSS

December 20th, 2010
8:39 pm

@ Mark Bradley…
By the way, the “Classic Famous Flames” lineup was the immortal king of call and response Bobby Byrd, Johnny Terry, Bobby Bennett, and “Baby Lloyd” Stallworth. Nothing like “Night Train!”

Mark Bradley

December 20th, 2010
8:41 pm

Harry the Hawk just offered a version of “The Nutcracker.” It involved a balance beam. I’ll leave it there.

Jt

December 20th, 2010
8:41 pm

Bibby is never going to stop quicker pg. Just not going to happen. But you are not going to get anything for him- you will only get his equal. Teague has to play more in periods of time where he is not required to contribute offensively.

Jt

December 20th, 2010
8:42 pm

Chipper and Freddie at the game!

JSS

December 20th, 2010
8:44 pm

@ Mark Bradley…
The answer to the Famous Flames is in your Blog filter…

@ Willis..
No, because most people in the NBA said Jameer was too small to be effective in the league regardless of his play at St. Joe’s!

Jinx Master

December 20th, 2010
8:45 pm

To any blogger that is even mentioning a Van Gundy as coaching option has lost it! The two guys have had a welth of talent at their disposal, but could not close the deal with any of those teams. I look for Stan Van Dummy to blow again this year, which may cause Dwight Howard to look in a different direction. I doubt very seriously that Larry drew will inspire him to consider the Hawks, unless they sign one more weapon to this “Core”. I’m sorry but the Magic will go nowhere with Van Dummy at the wheel, but who knows what Drew can do with a real center?

Mark Bradley

December 20th, 2010
8:46 pm

We’re even at 55.

Jinx Master

December 20th, 2010
8:48 pm

This always were the Hawks show their true colors no intensity in crucial spots of the game. Say it with me NO LEADERSHIP!

Chop It Up All-Star

December 20th, 2010
8:49 pm

No. 2 plays like number 2.

Mark Bradley

December 20th, 2010
8:52 pm

Kevin Willis

December 20th, 2010
8:53 pm

I have to agree Jt about Bibby, but he still can shoot that rock!

Kevin Willis

December 20th, 2010
8:59 pm

I think Bibby has serious foot issues that he doesn’t make excuses for, it seems like he cant cut while defending.

Mark Bradley

December 20th, 2010
8:59 pm

Hawks up 65-58 after the 3rd.

Elmore Spencer

December 20th, 2010
8:59 pm

Thrashers dominating 5-1

todd grantham

December 20th, 2010
9:00 pm

Mark, they keep you around mostly at my behest. My real surname is Cox.

Elmore Spencer

December 20th, 2010
9:02 pm

That you bobby.

Is this me?

Is that you John Wayne?

Kevin Willis

December 20th, 2010
9:02 pm

jj we one 50+ games last year and are average age is 25 years old

JSS

December 20th, 2010
9:08 pm

Serious question…
So is there any initial chemistry in the new Orlando lineup?

Kevin Willis

December 20th, 2010
9:09 pm

I think with are core still young and locked up for the next 4,5 years we will surpass the aging Celtics and magic and it will be the hawks and the heat on top

Mark Bradley

December 20th, 2010
9:10 pm

Very little, JSS.

Kevin Willis

December 20th, 2010
9:11 pm

jabowski

December 20th, 2010
9:14 pm

what is the score?

Kevin Willis

December 20th, 2010
9:14 pm

when zaza plays minutes he produces

Mark Bradley

December 20th, 2010
9:15 pm

Hawks 77-62. Playing pretty well now.

Kevin Willis

December 20th, 2010
9:16 pm

ZAZA needs to be starting!!!!!

SteveW

December 20th, 2010
9:17 pm

Out rebounding the Magic by 10.

SteveW

December 20th, 2010
9:17 pm

How did we lose to the Nets last night? Looking ahead?

Kevin Willis

December 20th, 2010
9:17 pm

Bibby
JJ
Josh
Horford
Zaza

SteveW

December 20th, 2010
9:18 pm

I agree about starting ZaZa, and I’ve like Marvin off the bench. Better bench player than starter maybe?

Elmore Spencer

December 20th, 2010
9:18 pm

Hard to ultimately get excited about the Hawks.

They still seem to have a ceiling as currently constructed.

SteveW

December 20th, 2010
9:19 pm

No chemistry at all with the Magic. How are they going to split minutes in the BC? Gotta trade Reddick and Duhon for another big to even things out I would think.

Kevin Willis

December 20th, 2010
9:20 pm

Zaza almost said those famous words that he told Garrnett in the playoffs a couple years ago to howard on that tect

SteveW

December 20th, 2010
9:23 pm

Out rebounding the Magic by 12. We’re shooting less than 40% and still up. We can still pull a Giants and lose this game however. We are terrible in the 4th quarter.

todd grantham

December 20th, 2010
9:25 pm

actually its Anne Chambers Cox.

Kevin Willis

December 20th, 2010
9:25 pm

hey guys brandon jennings out 4 to 6 weeks

Jack Tarver

December 20th, 2010
9:27 pm

Mark, you make me proud!

Kevin Willis

December 20th, 2010
9:28 pm

The defense looking a loot better this quarter

Ralph McGill

December 20th, 2010
9:29 pm

Just dont call me Rastus.

JSS

December 20th, 2010
9:30 pm

@ Mark Bradley…
What the heck is Maryland thinking?

SteveW

December 20th, 2010
9:35 pm

I still don’t trust us. Hope we win by double digits, but I don’t trust us yet.

SteveW

December 20th, 2010
9:35 pm

Marvin has beasting it lately. I like him off the bench!