Live from Philips: The Hawks try to beat one of the NBA’s elite

A reminder of those halcyon days when the Hawks could handle a good team. (AJC photo by Curtis Compton)

From those halcyon days when the Hawks could handle a good team. (AJC photo by Curtis Compton)

If ever we needed a reminder that it’s not how you start but how you finish, the Hawks and the Celtics provided it. The Hawks finished third in the NBA East and were 4-0 against the Celtics, who wound up with the East’s No. 4 seed, in the 2009-2010 regular season.

Emphasis on “regular season.”

The Hawks got swept in Round 2 of the playoffs by an aggregate 101 points and were so mortified they dumped their coach and promoted his longtime assistant, which presumably made sense to somebody. The Celtics beat Cleveland in Round 2 and Orlando in Round 3 and reached the NBA finals. And now the Hawks, who were seen seven months ago as a rising power, seem in retreat, while Boston is doing as royalty always does — biding its time until the playoffs.

Seven months ago you’d much rather have been the Hawks than the Celtics, who were regarded as too old and too cranky. Now it’s hard to know what to make of the Hawks, who in the course of 13 games under new coach Larry Drew have managed to muddy the waters even more.

The Celtics arrived at Philips Arena to play the Hawks on Monday, and before the game a Boston writer asked Drew a question containing the E-word. And Drew flat-out admitted that his Hawks don’t deserve to be considered among the NBA’s elite.

“It’s a very difficult challenge,” Drew said. “In order to get to the next step, there has to be more of a sense of urgency with every team we play, not just in certain games.”

Then: “Good teams don’t take possessions off.”

Then: “We’re hoping to get to that level.”

Then: “I don’t know if you can teach it [elitism]. I think you just harp on it.”

Then: “If we were at that [elite] level, there were certainly a couple of ballgames we’d have won. We’d have toughed it out.”

Then: “You can see when the better teams reach a certain point in a game, they tighten it up. I don’t think we’re there yet.”

We pause to ask: Wasn’t the whole point of replacing Mike Woodson with his assistant of six seasons the feeling among ownership that the Hawks were only the right coach away from elite status? (Drew himself conceded Monday: “I think we have the personnel to get to that level.”) If so, why have these Hawks started worse under the kinder, gentler and presumably more innovative Drew than they did a year ago under Woodson?

The Hawks entered Monday’s game 8-5, having lost five of seven after a 6-0 start achieved against an array of opponents listed in Who’s Not Who. Of the Hawks’ eight victories, none had been over a team that holds a winning record. Worse, four of the Hawks’ five losses had come at home.

A year ago the Hawks were 11-2 after 13 games, and those 13 included road stops against the Lakers and the Celtics. Last season’s Hawks lost their first home game on Thanksgiving, their fourth on New Year’s Day. This time a year ago the Hawks appeared much closer to elite than they do today, which makes no sense when you consider that these Hawks are essentially those Hawks plus Jordan Crawford, Josh Powell and Etan Thomas. And Larry Drew.

In sum, the Hawks entered Monday’s game in dire need of a victory over somebody who can actually play. The schedule won’t always be so soft. Of the Hawks’ first six road games, only two had come against a team that made the playoffs last season, and one of those two was against Cleveland, which lost a free agent of some consequence over the summer. And Drew isn’t exactly working under a vote of the utmost confidence: He’s the NBA’s lowest-paid head coach and he’s working on a two-year contract.

Said Drew, speaking of his team’s uphill climb: “We’ll keep working at it. We’ll keep trying to get there.”

Good idea. Better hurry, though.

And with that, the floor is again open for questions, comments and reader submissions as to why Mike Woodson wasn’t so bad after all. I’ll be here all game, and I can already impart one snippet of information: Rajon Rondo, who destroys Mike Bibby, isn’t going to play. That’s the good news. The bad news: Rondo’s backup is Nate Robinson, who does likewise to Bibby. Pick thy point-guard poison.

301 comments Add your comment

Mark Bradley

November 22nd, 2010
8:18 pm

The Hawks snared 10 rebounds in the half. Ten, I say. Ten in 24 minutes. That’s one every 2 minutes and 20-some seconds.

Mark Bradley

November 22nd, 2010
8:19 pm

No, I’m from Maysville, Ky. My parents were from Paintsville.

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todd grantham

November 22nd, 2010
8:20 pm

last time Wes Durham was patted down he said “damn man, you got some long arms.”

todd grantham

November 22nd, 2010
8:20 pm

…on the Ohio River…

Chillin on Paradise Island

November 22nd, 2010
8:21 pm

hahahahahahahahahaha. They need to stop airing that Hawks hype commercial on sports south because they call the hawks an elite team. I should sue them for false advertisement.

Mark Bradley

November 22nd, 2010
8:21 pm

Let’s see what adjustments Coach Larry Drew has in store for us.

Mark Bradley

November 22nd, 2010
8:21 pm

Maysville’s on the Ohio River. Paintsville’s in the Appalachians.

Jesse

November 22nd, 2010
8:22 pm

Horford is the only one who truly cares game in and game out. The others are content to take their money. The Owners should make the players give the fans their money back if they lose by 20 at home. People spend their hard earned money to come see the Hawks play, and if they play this bad they should get a refund. If your meal is that awful at a restaurant you send it back… and if it’s really bad they give it to you for free!

todd grantham

November 22nd, 2010
8:24 pm

I always liked The Waltons. Except when John-Boy left the show. and Grandpa died. and Grandma had a stroke. and Livy got tuberculosis. and Jim Bob got AIDS.

todd grantham

November 22nd, 2010
8:25 pm

that’s what i meant

Mark Bradley

November 22nd, 2010
8:26 pm

Hawks down only 24.

IlliniDawg

November 22nd, 2010
8:27 pm

@Jesse:

And if the food never gets any better, YOU STOP GOING TO THE RESTAURANT! As long as gullible fans (or transplants supporting the visiting team) continue to buy tickets, there is no motivation for the cooks to serve up better food.

todd grantham

November 22nd, 2010
8:27 pm

Love Charlie Brown Christmas and The Grinch, but The Homecoming is a must Christmas watch along with Its a Wonderful Life.

just saying

November 22nd, 2010
8:28 pm

The Hawks need another super star like Joe….what a pathetic joke of a super star and team.

No excuse for giving up 39 points. Lack of any effort. Just a joke.

Nique said they are “flat”. hahahahah. No they signed a above average player for super star money.

todd grantham

November 22nd, 2010
8:28 pm

to clarify, Jim Bob got AIDS from a transfusion during the war.

Mark Bradley

November 22nd, 2010
8:28 pm

Folks booing. Unless they’re chanting, “Drewwwwww!”

J.J.M.

November 22nd, 2010
8:29 pm

quick question mr Bradley do you think the falcons can win out?

Mark Bradley

November 22nd, 2010
8:29 pm

As far as I can discern, halftime adjustments were to shoot more jumpers

Mark Bradley

November 22nd, 2010
8:30 pm

Celtics by 28. But that score misleads.

went cheap

November 22nd, 2010
8:31 pm

went cheap on the coach and gave all of the money to da ’supa sta’ who has been an average NBA player this season.

Mark Bradley

November 22nd, 2010
8:31 pm

I don’t think the Falcs will win out. I think they’ll finish 12-4.

DHD

November 22nd, 2010
8:32 pm

Turned it off. MNF is coming on.

Al Groh

November 22nd, 2010
8:32 pm

Can someone show me where georgia techs practice fields are? I haven’t been able to find them all year.

Mark Bradley

November 22nd, 2010
8:32 pm

I’m not thinking the Hawks will win out.

Whopper Dawg

November 22nd, 2010
8:32 pm

The good news is that this should not be unexpected. The bad news is that this is what you should expect for the next five years (Johnson contract, the mill stone gets heavier).

Hawks will have a first round exit out of the playoffs.

Smooth likes to watch

November 22nd, 2010
8:34 pm

I haven’t seen many players with the skill of Smooth just stand and watch the way he does.

J.J.M.

November 22nd, 2010
8:34 pm

I dont think the hawks will make the playoffs unless they use another excuse like “we still have to get use to the offense”

Joke Johnson

November 22nd, 2010
8:34 pm

i dont care
f u fans
gimme my $119 mil

Mark Bradley

November 22nd, 2010
8:35 pm

Boston 79, Atlanta 47.

Mark Bradley

November 22nd, 2010
8:37 pm

Pretty awful when you hit a trey — to cut it to 29

todd grantham

November 22nd, 2010
8:37 pm

Mark, have you any idea on the YTD hits on the blog?

Chillin on Paradise Island

November 22nd, 2010
8:37 pm

If they have to, the Falcons are gonna win out. If they have everything clinched, then they might drop one or two games.

HawksHeckler

November 22nd, 2010
8:37 pm

Looks like Turkey is being served a couple days early at Phillips. That along with the watered down beer. Why not give Shaq what he wanted to come here??? I mean Collins Powell Thomas??? Come on mann…

Mark Bradley

November 22nd, 2010
8:37 pm

Yes I do, todd. And I’m very gratified by the patronage you all have displayed

Ted M

November 22nd, 2010
8:38 pm

What players look like they have quit the most?

Real Talk

November 22nd, 2010
8:38 pm

What a Shameful display of professional basketball by this joke of a team.I bet ASSG wish they had of snatch up The OLD MAN SHAQ right about now. Glad I didn’t invest any $ into this Franchise. I’m bout to switch the channel and finish watching NFL Monday Night Football as well as WWE Monday Night RAW

Mark Bradley

November 22nd, 2010
8:38 pm

Try naming one, Ted M. You’d be in the area

TruthSeeker

November 22nd, 2010
8:38 pm

This season has been way too predictable. Sund’s arrogant mentality that he didn’t have to do anything to improve the team over the offseason is coming home to roost. As a general rule in pro sports, there’s no static. If you’re not getting better, you’re getting worse. I see the Hawks being a .500 team this year and struggling to make the playoffs even in the awful East. We look terrible.

Mark Bradley

November 22nd, 2010
8:39 pm

Hawks on a 7-0 run.

Mark Bradley

November 22nd, 2010
8:39 pm

No more, I’m afraid

A prophet?

November 22nd, 2010
8:39 pm

Prophet: “Good teams don’t take possessions off.”

Mark Bradley

November 22nd, 2010
8:40 pm

Hawks down 31. Drew calls time

Real Talk

November 22nd, 2010
8:41 pm

All I got to say about Rick Snud is that Seattle/OKC didn’t get better until they got rid of his AZZ Nuff Said

pete babblecock

November 22nd, 2010
8:42 pm

heh, *I* could gm better than this

IlliniDawg

November 22nd, 2010
8:43 pm

MB:

Any chance that the dis-Spirit-ed Group might realize how much they screwed up and fire Drew before the situation gets much worse?

Texas Hawk

November 22nd, 2010
8:43 pm

Well, well well….. How does that team full of FORWARDS look to Sund and the Spirit Group tonight??? We are getting our heads beat in at home. I told you guys when they fired Woody to becareful of what your asking for……. Woody at least had these boys ready to play Boston at home for Gods sake!!!!!!!

stizz

November 22nd, 2010
8:44 pm

I will praise the day nate mcclouth and Marvin Williams leave this city. And shame on you Mark. Don’t you dare mention the Falcons on anything that has to do with the Hawks

Dan

November 22nd, 2010
8:44 pm

What is going on with this team?

Once "Recent" Reader

November 22nd, 2010
8:45 pm

Well first time on Hawks blog . . . as normally on Falcons. But sorry to say for fellow Falcons fans . …I’m a long time Celtics fan as I grew up in Mass. Was following on ESPN gamecast and it was looking ugly for Hawks.