Live from Philips: The Hawks try to beat one of the NBA’s elite

A reminder of those halcyon days when the Hawks could handle a good team. (AJC photo by Curtis Compton)

From those halcyon days when the Hawks could handle a good team. (AJC photo by Curtis Compton)

If ever we needed a reminder that it’s not how you start but how you finish, the Hawks and the Celtics provided it. The Hawks finished third in the NBA East and were 4-0 against the Celtics, who wound up with the East’s No. 4 seed, in the 2009-2010 regular season.

Emphasis on “regular season.”

The Hawks got swept in Round 2 of the playoffs by an aggregate 101 points and were so mortified they dumped their coach and promoted his longtime assistant, which presumably made sense to somebody. The Celtics beat Cleveland in Round 2 and Orlando in Round 3 and reached the NBA finals. And now the Hawks, who were seen seven months ago as a rising power, seem in retreat, while Boston is doing as royalty always does — biding its time until the playoffs.

Seven months ago you’d much rather have been the Hawks than the Celtics, who were regarded as too old and too cranky. Now it’s hard to know what to make of the Hawks, who in the course of 13 games under new coach Larry Drew have managed to muddy the waters even more.

The Celtics arrived at Philips Arena to play the Hawks on Monday, and before the game a Boston writer asked Drew a question containing the E-word. And Drew flat-out admitted that his Hawks don’t deserve to be considered among the NBA’s elite.

“It’s a very difficult challenge,” Drew said. “In order to get to the next step, there has to be more of a sense of urgency with every team we play, not just in certain games.”

Then: “Good teams don’t take possessions off.”

Then: “We’re hoping to get to that level.”

Then: “I don’t know if you can teach it [elitism]. I think you just harp on it.”

Then: “If we were at that [elite] level, there were certainly a couple of ballgames we’d have won. We’d have toughed it out.”

Then: “You can see when the better teams reach a certain point in a game, they tighten it up. I don’t think we’re there yet.”

We pause to ask: Wasn’t the whole point of replacing Mike Woodson with his assistant of six seasons the feeling among ownership that the Hawks were only the right coach away from elite status? (Drew himself conceded Monday: “I think we have the personnel to get to that level.”) If so, why have these Hawks started worse under the kinder, gentler and presumably more innovative Drew than they did a year ago under Woodson?

The Hawks entered Monday’s game 8-5, having lost five of seven after a 6-0 start achieved against an array of opponents listed in Who’s Not Who. Of the Hawks’ eight victories, none had been over a team that holds a winning record. Worse, four of the Hawks’ five losses had come at home.

A year ago the Hawks were 11-2 after 13 games, and those 13 included road stops against the Lakers and the Celtics. Last season’s Hawks lost their first home game on Thanksgiving, their fourth on New Year’s Day. This time a year ago the Hawks appeared much closer to elite than they do today, which makes no sense when you consider that these Hawks are essentially those Hawks plus Jordan Crawford, Josh Powell and Etan Thomas. And Larry Drew.

In sum, the Hawks entered Monday’s game in dire need of a victory over somebody who can actually play. The schedule won’t always be so soft. Of the Hawks’ first six road games, only two had come against a team that made the playoffs last season, and one of those two was against Cleveland, which lost a free agent of some consequence over the summer. And Drew isn’t exactly working under a vote of the utmost confidence: He’s the NBA’s lowest-paid head coach and he’s working on a two-year contract.

Said Drew, speaking of his team’s uphill climb: “We’ll keep working at it. We’ll keep trying to get there.”

Good idea. Better hurry, though.

And with that, the floor is again open for questions, comments and reader submissions as to why Mike Woodson wasn’t so bad after all. I’ll be here all game, and I can already impart one snippet of information: Rajon Rondo, who destroys Mike Bibby, isn’t going to play. That’s the good news. The bad news: Rondo’s backup is Nate Robinson, who does likewise to Bibby. Pick thy point-guard poison.

301 comments Add your comment

Mark Bradley

November 22nd, 2010
7:47 pm

The never-say-die Hawks have drawn within 21 points.

todd grantham

November 22nd, 2010
7:48 pm

that’s totally offensive.

todd grantham

November 22nd, 2010
7:48 pm

maybe try some treys?

J.J.M.

November 22nd, 2010
7:49 pm

lmao my friend text me and said some people walked out from the game

Mark Bradley

November 22nd, 2010
7:49 pm

This is going to tighten up.

Then again, it couldn’t get much worse

todd grantham

November 22nd, 2010
7:50 pm

sure sounds like the Hawks have taken a bunch of posessions off so far.

Mark Bradley

November 22nd, 2010
7:50 pm

Hawks within 19!

Brandon from WR

November 22nd, 2010
7:51 pm

i would like to see big shot billups in a hawks uniform. mark, talk to mr. sund and make it happen.

todd grantham

November 22nd, 2010
7:51 pm

thank goodness Phillips’s is close to Ruth’s Chris. but the steaks may seem well done with the way the Hawks have been smoked.

Mark Bradley

November 22nd, 2010
7:52 pm

Hawks within 20.

J.J.M.

November 22nd, 2010
7:53 pm

sadly you cant fire the coach because its not his fault that the talent is not there

todd grantham

November 22nd, 2010
7:53 pm

the ghost of the famous Red Auerbach is haunting the arena tonight.

stizz

November 22nd, 2010
7:53 pm

Josh is high on talent and low on basketball IQ.

todd grantham

November 22nd, 2010
7:54 pm

but alas, does anyone really care

Gravy Train

November 22nd, 2010
7:54 pm

We need to trade Bibby, Marvin and J Smith for a true big man. Millsap from Utah? How about a dinged up Yao? How about for Mello and Birdman?

todd grantham

November 22nd, 2010
7:55 pm

Hawks arent exactly winning friends and influencing people.

todd grantham

November 22nd, 2010
7:56 pm

is that Steve Holman i hear retching on the radio?

J.J.M.

November 22nd, 2010
7:57 pm

hawks need a SUPER STAR not a all star…joe has clearly lost his game and is just enjoying his money untill then no playoffs and no filled up arena

IlliniDawg

November 22nd, 2010
7:59 pm

Bradley: perhaps no better time than to put forth once again my question(s) [It's really two things wrapped up into one]:

Remind me again why the hell this town has basketball and hockey teams? Because, besides providing a venue for transplants to cheer on their home side (Lakers, Bulls, Knicks, etc.; Flyers, Hawks, Devils, Bruins, etc.), I can’t come up with any viable business rationale for either of these teams.

Mark Bradley

November 22nd, 2010
8:02 pm

Marvin Williams: Zero points, zero rebounds

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Mark Bradley

November 22nd, 2010
8:03 pm

Marvin Williams: Two points, zero rebounds.

yodaddy

November 22nd, 2010
8:04 pm

I just don’t understand why the team comes out so flat…they have the best athletes they should be running around making it happen. Instead I see a bunch of slugs.

It’s time to shake this team up. Zaza, Powell, Marvin, Bibby, and Jamal Crawford should all be on the trading block…down by 24 at home is just unacceptable period and it’s the effort…jogging…no defense whatsoever, mindless turnovers, no defense…no defense….no defense

Blair Rasmussen

November 22nd, 2010
8:04 pm

Marvin Williams was awesome in HS..(the Tarheels signed him)

GT Alum

November 22nd, 2010
8:04 pm

Hrm, hope these are just difficulties adjusting to a new system that the Hawks are going to shake off. Looks like they’ve regressed to some extent. They have consistently taken care of lesser competition so far, but they haven’t been able to get over the hump against any team that’s really good.

Mark Bradley

November 22nd, 2010
8:06 pm

Celtics by 22 at the break

IlliniDawg

November 22nd, 2010
8:06 pm

MB:

If a beat reporter types on a blog but no one is there to click on it or read it, does it still exist?

Bill Lambier was a bully

November 22nd, 2010
8:07 pm

true or false..??

IlliniDawg

November 22nd, 2010
8:07 pm

Just feeling kinda sorry for you. This is a terrible waste of AJC’s resources and your talent!

Mark Bradley

November 22nd, 2010
8:07 pm

Good question, IlliniDawg. Some beats are more heavily trafficked than others.

Mark Bradley

November 22nd, 2010
8:08 pm

Don’t feel sorry for me. I like basketball.

Not that this necessarily constitutes basketball

todd grantham

November 22nd, 2010
8:08 pm

Mark, did you hear the one about Grandma Walton refusing a full body patdown at ATL?

All she could say to the TSA guy was “You’re not my John, boy” heh

Mark Bradley

November 22nd, 2010
8:09 pm

Great joke, Coach Todd.

OK, maybe not “great.” But I’m in the need for a laugh. Think I’ll crank up MoonPie’s “Son of a Preacher Man” on YouTube once again.

@ Illinidawg

November 22nd, 2010
8:09 pm

I was stationed at Chanute in 1987….

Mark Bradley

November 22nd, 2010
8:11 pm

And what do you offer a crowd (loose interpretation of the word) that has been entertained (looser interpretation) by that display of basketball (looser still)?

Yep. A command performance by the Atlanta Hawks drumline.

todd grantham

November 22nd, 2010
8:11 pm

good, but not great. i needed a laugh too.

yodaddy

November 22nd, 2010
8:12 pm

forget the Luxury tax…we need to be in the luxury tax…Boston got 5 starters coming off the bench…we have Zaza….

I was fully behind this team and keeping things the same but this is simply not working…this team has too many holes it needs to fill.

Joe Johnson looks flat out terrible (Is he hurt???) he looks horrible…no energy whatsoever…shot off…no quickness…

todd grantham

November 22nd, 2010
8:12 pm

has Ted left the arena yet?

Mark Bradley

November 22nd, 2010
8:14 pm

I don’t believe Joe Johnson is hurt. Certainly he has taken enough shots.

todd grantham

November 22nd, 2010
8:14 pm

last time Michael Vick was patted down all he could say is “why do you guys keep dogging me?”

IlliniDawg

November 22nd, 2010
8:14 pm

MB:

Been circulating that MoonPie video amongst my SEC friends up here [mostly Rebels and Volunteers and Tide - no War Damn Pidgeons or Gayturds are my friends!]. Absolutely the most hilarious thing posted on AJC sports in a long long time. Thanks!!!

Mark Bradley

November 22nd, 2010
8:15 pm

Think you’re reaching now, Coach G.

Billy Jack was a bad assss @ Todd

November 22nd, 2010
8:15 pm

Todd…it always bothered me that John Boy Walton was a sissy…..(and I hated the mom and grandma)…but I loved erin walton….John boy was a punk…yes..???

Mark Bradley

November 22nd, 2010
8:15 pm

John Boy Walton’s real-life parents were from Paintsville, Ky.

Billy Jack was a bad assss @ Todd

November 22nd, 2010
8:16 pm

stop it….put down the beer……

todd grantham

November 22nd, 2010
8:16 pm

ah, yes, i was in love with erin until i realized she was 50 years older than me.

Mark Bradley

November 22nd, 2010
8:17 pm

Boston made only half its shots in the second quarter. Tenacious defense.

todd grantham

November 22nd, 2010
8:17 pm

and you went to school with Tichard Thomas?

todd grantham

November 22nd, 2010
8:18 pm

Richard, pardon me

Atlanta Fawkers

November 22nd, 2010
8:18 pm

BRING BACK WOODY!!