8:57 am September 27, 2010, by Mark Bradley
The Braves are 10-14 in September. They’ve won one of the past seven series. They’ve gone from three games ahead of Philadelphia on Sept. 1 to six games back with six to play. And you know what?
They still should win the wild card.
They start the week a half-game behind San Diego, which is a half-game behind San Francisco in the National League West. The Braves play the Marlins these next three days. The Padres have four against the Cubs. The Giants have three against Arizona. But here’s the catch:
The Padres and Giants finish against one other. One of them has to lose each of the season’s final three days. The Braves end against the Phils, who have already clinched a playoff berth and a tie for the East title. That quirk of scheduling should be enough to get the Braves into the postseason. Provided the Braves remember what it is to win a series, which is, as we know, not exactly a certainty.
The Braves have lost three series to last-place clubs in three weeks. Of their 10 victories in September, four have been posted by Derek Lowe. Their rotation is coming unglued. Their batting order fell to pieces a while back. The wonder isn’t that this team is losing but that it still holds the chance to win something. The Braves are most fortunate.
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GTHorsie
September 27th, 2010
9:04 am
Why do you continue to jinx my Braves this way??? STOP WRITING ABOUT THEM.
ss
September 27th, 2010
9:07 am
If this team makes the post season, they will get swept in the NLDS. Great pitching, and NO hitting. Cant just flip the switch and suddenly hit. This team over acheived with margainal talent. Maybe if this team played with some urgency late in the year they may have been in a better situation
Mark Bradley
September 27th, 2010
9:10 am
I don’t think urgency is the problem. I think talent is.
82Dawg
September 27th, 2010
9:12 am
Which is worst way to send Bobby out, not make the payoff’s or get swept in the fist round?
ss
September 27th, 2010
9:21 am
Mark,
I agree, but couldnt cox try and fire up his troops in a way to basically say lets go and start playing like they want to get into the post season?
Mark Bradley
September 27th, 2010
9:23 am
I believe the manager addressed the team before the third game in Philadelphia, ss.
Grumpy
September 27th, 2010
9:24 am
4-2 should get them in. If you can’t do that, you deserve to sit home.
Pigeon
September 27th, 2010
9:26 am
I don’t think they’ll win squat.
RaleighDawg
September 27th, 2010
9:26 am
Before the Nats series I said the Braves would finish the final nine with a 3-6 record and they are right on schedule after the weekend.
jbrady
September 27th, 2010
9:27 am
Mark, I hate to play this game but…. do you see the Braves as a better team next season if they can get a CF or add someone?
Don
September 27th, 2010
9:28 am
You’re still a delusional idiot. Once again, the braves STRUGGLE against the NATS, MARLINS and PHILLIES. Even when they have nothing to play for, they STILL struggle.
This team is NOT going to make the playoffs. But you still write this garbage. You by far are the worst sports writer on the planet.
RaleighDawg
September 27th, 2010
9:28 am
After seeing so many games (including yesterday’s) in which the Braves did so poorly with RISP (1-9 in Sunday’s game), does anyone know what is considered a good stat for at team’s RISP ?
bruce mac
September 27th, 2010
9:29 am
You just can’t help yourself I guess. Keep up the jinx Mark.
stuart
September 27th, 2010
9:30 am
TOAST
Mark Bradley
September 27th, 2010
9:30 am
I think the Braves should be good next year, jbrady. And a center fielder would help. They’ve essentially gone without one in 2010.
Chris
September 27th, 2010
9:31 am
My question is where is the Booby cox who would do anything to scratch across some runs int he middle part of the summer? Where’s the guy who would bunt, steal, and squeeze to score runs? It seems like Bobby has gone back to waiting for the 3-run homer like summers past. The Braves are not built for that kind of baseball. They can however play like the 2002 Angels (who won the world series btw) and do the little things to win. I think our pitching staff’s struggles recently have come from the fact they are pressing to not give up anything because they don’t know if they can trust the offense to score. It sounds cliche but start doing the little things and the wins will come again.
Must sweep Florida
September 27th, 2010
9:32 am
It’s that simple. Don’t do it and they are toast unless they can sweep Phillie. Gotta go 5-1 this week. I don’t think 4-2 will get it done.
dobearsbare
September 27th, 2010
9:33 am
I guess there will be a one-game playoff if they finish tied?
ss
September 27th, 2010
9:33 am
Thanks Mark!
beauvighn
September 27th, 2010
9:33 am
What good would it do to get into postseason only to get swept and embarrassed by Cinncy…..Finsih these 6 games say good by and good ridance to Cox and for gosh sakes hire Freddy Gonzalez…..These guys are toast
Don
September 27th, 2010
9:35 am
The only reason they are even in the discussion, which they shouldn’t be if you’ve watched the team for any time, is the padres 10 game losing steak earlier. But MB can’t even recognize this.
SF and SD won a series against MUCH better comp than the braves played. The braves of course Lost a series against last place Wash. SF won in Colorado where MB says it’s tough to win!
The braves will lose 2/3 to Fla and 2/3 to Philly even with these teams having NOTHING to play for. Everything I have written has come to fruition. Everything Bradley has written has been wrong.
Amazing this fool has a job doing this. He must be doing something we don’t know about.
Peter
September 27th, 2010
9:35 am
Hey Mark……..wasn’t Blanco a center fielder ? Those Wern deals sure messed up the chemistry……
Please tell us the Braves record since all the trades were made.
dobearsbare
September 27th, 2010
9:36 am
If Atlanta goes 4-2, San Diego 4-3 and San Francisco 3-3, a tie could happen. So, do I understand correctly that head-to-head records determine home field for that one-game playoff? Because the Braves won both of those regular-season series.
GermanBravesFan
September 27th, 2010
9:36 am
It is easy to see that one would say the Braves do not deserve the Wild Card due to their horrible play in September. On the other hand, pretty much everybody on this blog (and on DOB’s) should be Braves fans. REAL fans support their team no matter what! Hey, as long as there is a chance to make it, I say GO BRAVES – instead of bi***ing and moaning.
Sonny Clusters
September 27th, 2010
9:37 am
We was reminded about what Stinky Wintes said one time when Bobby was still batting Jeff high in the order, “Don’t call a monkey with a wrench, call a monkey with a lineup card.” Now, that’s a bit harsh but where is the urgency to do something about all the losing? Who gets mad when they lose? Remember Grandpas Jordan and Raul Mondesi? This season it’s McLouth and Ankiel . . . and Melky.
bruce mac
September 27th, 2010
9:37 am
Chris, you obviously have not been watching this team. They do not know how to do the little things to win They either come from behind to win late after numerous bad plays or they have a great pitching performance that overcomes their bad plays. They have not played a game in a long long time without making numerous mental errors. What catcher in his right mind is calling for breaking pitches with two out and bases empty in a tie game and a pitcher with a 98 mile an hour fast ball on the hill? Friggin unbelievable.
Hey "Brad" as Bobby calls ya
September 27th, 2010
9:38 am
Please ask Cox next time you talk to him why he isn’t moving Prado back to leadoff and shuttling Infante down to 6 or 7. It’s all about what got you there Brad. Thanks dude
lanier
September 27th, 2010
9:38 am
They will be lucky to go 3-3 to finish with no chance but who cares it’s football season
gcs
September 27th, 2010
9:38 am
ain’t gonna happen.
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TN Jeff
September 27th, 2010
9:39 am
I agree Don – someone up there must really like MB
bruce mac
September 27th, 2010
9:39 am
Prado isn’t leading off because he cannot run. He is less of a liability battting third with a bad wheel than he is in the lead off position where he would clog things up even more. He also has a little more pop than Infante.
Sonny Clusters
September 27th, 2010
9:40 am
And Glaus and Lee and that Norton fella. Wait! Norton’s gone, right?
Ted M
September 27th, 2010
9:41 am
Mark – It seems you’ve found a new friend in Don. Ha
Hey "Brad" as Bobby calls ya
September 27th, 2010
9:41 am
Look at the stats from the first half when he was hitting leadoff. Bad wheel or not, they scored with him in that slot.
Holy Man
September 27th, 2010
9:42 am
I’m crying real tears for my Braves…..but I think it is best that we are not in the playoffs, all our karma has run out!
Gary O
September 27th, 2010
9:44 am
Mark,
The Braves also went without a left fielder this year too. And they went without a first baseman for 3 months.
I agree that the Braves are not very talented. But I dont think Bobby has been able to push the right buttons either.
Anthony
September 27th, 2010
9:44 am
Braves will face Joe Blanton, Kyle Kendrick, and Vance Worley for the final 3 games of the year as well as a AAA-Lehigh Valley IronPigs lineup. That’s 3 automatic wins for the Braves right there
skip
September 27th, 2010
9:45 am
Playoffs? I’ll believe it when see it. The way the Braves are playing right now they’ll be lucky to win 3 of the next 6. They can’t hit, the pitching has gone down the tubes and the defense is not so hot either.
Russell Bell
September 27th, 2010
9:46 am
Braves probably need to win the last 6 games of the season (maybe 5 will do it) to get to the post-season.
Regardless of whether Philly rests some regulars – those last 3 are going to be tough games. Throw in Lowe and Hudson perhaps on short rest… the playoff picture looks bleak.
mikeDW
September 27th, 2010
9:46 am
I really enjoyed the roller coaster ride that was this season. But now, we are on the straightaway that takes you back inside the station; the fun part of the ride is over, and we will slowly, boringly cruise to the end.
We peaked 2 months ago, and show no inkling of re-igniting. The magic was great while it lasted.
Well, time to go update my football fantasy team, because I got spanked yesterday, too.
Thomas Bebe Emerman
September 27th, 2010
9:47 am
Sometimes things work out for the best. Former AirTran spokesman Mike Vick is set in Philly and AirTran is about to become Southwest. As hard as it was for Mike to say, “AihTwan” there is no way he could ever say, “Soufwef”. Try it. By the way, Mike looked good against the Jags. He can buy his own airline soon.
jfreak13713
September 27th, 2010
9:50 am
I can’t see the Braves getting two our of three from the Marlins or the Phillies. They just can’t hit and now most nights unless Lowe is pitching they can’t get enough guys out to keep the game close enough. I can’t really see anything that Cox is doing or is not doing that is causing this slide. He doesn’t let guys steal because they are all TOO slow and nobody on the team seems to be able to bunt or move runners over. It really is a talent issue at this point.
If the Padres and Giants beat each other up and the Braves lose 2 of 3 the next two series could the Rockies slide into the Wild Card lead??? At this point I’d rather see a good Rockies team playing well than I would an avergae Braves team playing poorly make the playoffs.
Sorry Braves but you’ve done the best you could, but your best just won’t be enough this year. However, a WINNER is built not always bought and you guys are good enough to expect to win assuming Wren will add a player or two this offseason? Thanks for the season it was enjoyable to watch you guys fight and scratch your way to a pretty good season!
Cox, well my mother always said if you don’t have something nice to say you’re better off saying nothing …….
dobearsbare
September 27th, 2010
9:53 am
Russell, if the Braves win 5 of 6, they’re in, because either San Diego or San Francisco is going to lose at least two in the final week. Even against the Cubs and the Diamondbacks, the odds against them both sweeping are pretty steep. But the Braves have to do their part; the odds against them winning 5 of 6 are pretty steep too.
I can’t help but think back to that 10-1 lead in Colorado …
Great Moments in Stupidity from the AJC
September 27th, 2010
9:55 am
“There is NO WAY the Braves are giving up this NL East Division lead.”
- Mark Bradley, August 2010
Herschel Talker
September 27th, 2010
9:55 am
MB:
“I don’t think urgency is the problem. I think talent is.”
Then how did you say last week that “thee two best teams in the NL are meeting in Philly.” How is it that you keep talking out of both sides of your mouth? Are they one of the most talented, or do they not have talent? Then you say that they can’t hit and can’t field. Well then what the heck makes them a good team. Good teams don’t lose 2 straight series to the Nats with everything riding on it. Quit trying to sell papers and start keeping it real.
The math here doesn’t work. If the Braves take 2 of 3 from the Marlins and the Padres take 3 of 4 from the Cubs, then the Braves will enter the final weekend 1 game behind. The Phillies will put the final dagger in their hearts.
Let’s cut through the BS.
HT
Jeff
September 27th, 2010
9:55 am
Why would we want the Braves to make the playoffs? So they can get swept on the road in the first series?
MJ
September 27th, 2010
9:56 am
Its flat out this simple: when you cannot score runs, you are not going to win. Scoring 4 runs TOTAL against the Phillies and 3 runs in both loses to the Nationals is not going to get it done. The Braves have scored 9 runs in the last 6 games propmptly losing 5 of those 6 and only once did they score over 3 runs. It does not take a genius to figure out that averaging 1.5 runs a game is not going to win to many baseball games. Typical Braves, they cannot hit to save their life.
10-1 lead after 3
September 27th, 2010
9:57 am
Last week it was: The Braves should win because they play 3 games against the woeful Nationals. How did that work out? The Braves are not going to win for a number of reasons. One of which is they have one of history’s worst tactical managers. A second reason is that teams that have a 10 to 1 lead after 3 innings and end up losing the game do not have what it takes to make the playoffs.
Since it’s apparent that the Braves are not going to fire Mr. Cox today, there is no hope.
Mark Bradley
September 27th, 2010
9:58 am
On the record, Herschel, the Braves and Phillies were the two best teams in the National League as of last Monday, which is when I wrote those words.
what of it?
September 27th, 2010
9:59 am
They’ve gone without a centerfielder since A. Jones left. The drop off has everything to do with a lack of good managing. the talent is good. All 4 of the all-stars are still playing, and hudson’s still pitching. They have a very talented rotation. Starting Melky and Ankiel is suicide they are .217 and .156 for september (I acknowledge the contribution yesterday but we still lost). Also, of all the things you can fix as a manager, fielding is probably the easiest, of the teams in contention braves are dead last in just about all categories. It doesn’t help hitting to trot a different lineup every day.
Keith
September 27th, 2010
10:00 am
Mark, yes, good work again. I was thinking the same thing! I was thinking how we should be 1.5 or 2.5 out of the standings by now, but it’s right there for the taking.
And more of my thoughts….
You guys that don’t remember past the last 6 games of baseball crack me up.
Those of you that say that this team has no heart have no idea what you’re talking about. Here is some of what we have lost this year:
Chipper Jones (HOF 3b that still has an OBP around .400), Kris Medlen (our “luckiest” pitcher), Jair Jurjens is likely (Cy young discussions last year), Saito as of now (gave up like 1 ER in like a month), and we are relying on these rookies to carry our team:
Heyward, Venters, Kimbrel.
THese guys have not played well: Mclouth, Glaus, Melky, etc. etc.
To say that this team has no heart I guess you all forgot about the 23 wins at our last at-bat and our come-from-behdind wins. Bobby has these guys playing well over their head, and they have performed beautifully.
Now having said that, I agree that losing 2/3 vs the Nats is frustrating and if they don’t win at least 4/6 they will probably miss the playoffs.
But remember, the September play does NOT usually carry into the playoffs. That is a baseball myth. There is a certain mystery with the playoffs and a fresh slate to the season. Remember the floundering St. Louis Cardinals in 2006 that stumbled into the playoffs as they almost gave up a huge lead in the last 2 weeks….and they WON IT ALL!
Just….get….in.
tdog
September 27th, 2010
10:01 am
4-2 will gain at least a tie, but I don’t think they’ve got that in them. I think they’ll go 3-3.
jack
September 27th, 2010
10:01 am
Make the play-offs…… only to be swept in the first round.
Keith
September 27th, 2010
10:02 am
Hey Mark!
I personally think you should write a blog on how September poor play doesn’t translate into a poor postseason showing.
Then again, those negative people would hate on you for that as well I’m sure.
Good stuff.
papadawg
September 27th, 2010
10:02 am
I hope they don’t make the playoffs. They have a pretty good foundation for the future so let’s pack it in on make some good offseason pickups and win it next year
Keith
September 27th, 2010
10:02 am
I meant *sept poor play doesn’t necessarily translate into poor postseason play*
Bishop Eddie Long
September 27th, 2010
10:04 am
I like my chances better than those of the 2010 Braves.
papadawg
September 27th, 2010
10:04 am
I don’t think you can say the Braves don’t have heart, their bodies showed poor condtioning after the all star break
Sonny Clusters
September 27th, 2010
10:05 am
Now, Brian McCann and Jeff was always good friends but we was wondering about why the AJC keeps interviewing Brian every day? Is there some other good talkers on the team? Here’s what we’ve come to expect . . . “Well, we’ve got 9 more games to get this done and prove what we’re made of”. “Well, we’ve got 8 more games to get this done and prove what we’re made of.” Now, its, “Well, we’ve got 6 more games to get this done and prove what we’re made of.” Goo. Made of goo. The Braves have a history with tubs of goo.
Bishop Eddie Schlong
September 27th, 2010
10:06 am
Enter your comments here
Bishop Eddie Schlong
September 27th, 2010
10:07 am
I like my chances of survival better than those of the 2010 Braves.
Ted M
September 27th, 2010
10:10 am
I couldn’t believe McCann went to 3rd after Dunn hit him in the head…he was lucky to get there safely.
Mark Bradley
September 27th, 2010
10:12 am
That’s a good idea, Keith. Thanks very much.
Mike
September 27th, 2010
10:12 am
Mark,
If the Braves are to improve next year they will need a CF, LF, & a healthy and mostly productive Chipper. And preferably that CF & LF can come with speed (lead off) and the other with true power (clean up hitter).
I still think we should have gotten Dunn. Maybe we still can.
In an ideal world we would clear enough salary & get just enough of a raise to afford Crawford in CF and Dunn in LF. Problem solved!!!
GermanBravesFan
September 27th, 2010
10:15 am
Mike: The Braves won’t be able to afford a really good LF or CF if Chipper comes back next season. Where would they take the money from? Best case scenario: Chipper retires (as much as I would hate that to happen) AND D. Lowe is traded (he may have improved his value a bit over the past few weeks).
Herschel Talker
September 27th, 2010
10:16 am
“On the record, Herschel, the Braves and Phillies were the two best teams in the National League as of last Monday, which is when I wrote those words.”
Based on what?!? Based on records? Do you have no subjective ability to have looked at this team and to have said that their record was not indicative of the fact that they were in fact NOT one of the two best teams? It’s staring you right in the face. They can’t field. They can’t run bases. They can’t get a clutch hit. Now they can’t pitch. Face it – it’s over.
JJ
September 27th, 2010
10:16 am
Just win the next 2 series and the Braves will at least get to a 163rd game. Padres aren’t capable of sweeping the Cubs over 4 games, and they’ll likely lose 2 of 3 in San Diego. Let’s just say Padres go 4-3 to finish the season, and the Braves go 4-2 (which would be sad considering the circumstances of the 2 teams they are still playing), and you’ll have a dead even tie for the wild card.
Now, if Bobby wises up and goes Hanson-Hudson-Lowe for each of these last 2 series, it is possible that the Braves could finish 6-0. He’s not going to do that though, and his rationale will be that he had to save somebody for the playoffs, which will be ironic if they don’t make it. That will be a sad but fitting way for Bobby’s career to end, with another senile moment.
Ted M
September 27th, 2010
10:18 am
Mike – The Braves are committed to Freddie at first. Crawford would be another lefty in the lineup so the Braves won’t go after him regardless of price which will be 20 mil per for 7 years.
bjohndawg
September 27th, 2010
10:20 am
Bobby deserves to be in the playoffs. And I hope the Braves have enough in the tank to get him there. One last run in the playoffs.Great for baseball, the fans, and Bobby.
But they hitting is light once again. And they could use some additional pitching..
Like I said before, they should have brought back Kenny Powers.
He is killing it in the Mexican League.
bruce mac
September 27th, 2010
10:21 am
If you haven’t noticed, Chipper Jones is not on the team anymore (reference first half). Of course we scored runs wih Chipper hitting third and a healthy Prado leading off. Some people say the dumbest things.
Ted M
September 27th, 2010
10:21 am
JJ – The Braves haven’t been losing because of pitching.
kent
September 27th, 2010
10:21 am
shutup -you face!
JJ
September 27th, 2010
10:23 am
Ted – I agree, but when your offense is anemic, you lessen your chances by not putting your best arms on the mound. Now is not the time to be pressing your luck with Beachy or a crippled Jurrjens.
A folding Fan
September 27th, 2010
10:26 am
“Braves are not dead” How long can they live on life support?
Chris
September 27th, 2010
10:28 am
Yeah, talent is a major factor, but the metaphoric images to me are things like AG deciding to go to first instead of cutting the run down at the plate against Philly (everybody knows what I’m talking about) and taking two strikes yesterday before flailing at a ridiculously wide and low pitch for strike three. Not that it’s all his fault, but just poor efforts all over the field. Heyward, for example, has enough talent to field a fly ball in a clutch situation. C’mon, man – I see the frustration – just not the effort.
chris
September 27th, 2010
10:28 am
The Braves were on the verge of putting the Phillies away. We then trade to get Gonzlez and Lee which I consider an upgrade over what we had (with the exception that we lost Chipper). The problem I think is two reasons:
First, think about how many games they have won in their last at bat? The Braves have been living on the edge all year and now the miracle finishes are not falling their way. Second, is pitching!! Hudson has faded in the most important month of the season. Jurgens can’t stay healthy and when he was he couldn’t get out of the 5th innning. We’ve asked two minor leaguers to come up and try to fill in the 5th spot and save us. That daunted pitching staff everybody loves to talk about no longer scares anyone and it just goes to show you really do never have enough pitching. Oh and the next 6 games are against the Marlins whom the Braves have a record of 8-7 and the Phillies whom the Braves have a record of 7-8. Not exactly a SURE THING.
Everybody also assumes the Phillies won’t play to win this weekend. The Braves will have to face 2 of the big three pitchers if the Phillies go for the knockout. The Phillies saw what happens when the Braves get hot and I think they will try to knock them out to keep from seeing them again in October.
Jim Pierce
September 27th, 2010
10:28 am
**NEWSFLASH to Bobby Cox. Your current lineup isn’t working. DUH Ever thought about changing it? lol
bruce mac
September 27th, 2010
10:29 am
German, no Ankiel ($1 Million), no Glaus ($3 Million), no Wagner ($7 Million), no Saito ($4 Million), and no Lee ($1.5 Million). The Braves have money to give Jason Worth $15 Million multi year contract. In 2012, KK comes off at $8 Million). Please keep up.
Mark Bradley
September 27th, 2010
10:29 am
I doubt the Braves see Hamels, Halladay or Oswalt this weekend, chris.
DHD
September 27th, 2010
10:31 am
The Braves would HOST a playoff game against the Giants or the Padres next Monday in case of a tie for the Wild Card.
VincerVanGo
September 27th, 2010
10:31 am
I’ve promoted all year that Bobby Cox should play the hot hitters daily, but who or where are they? Infante, Prado, Heyward and McCann are all “off” lately and the rest never got “on.” With the hitting anemic, the fielding terrible, and the pitchers worn out what did we expect? Frank Wren put a patchwork quilt team on the field this year and it finally wore out. We should be doing like the Twins and get some young hungry players on the field next year. Another year of cheap utility veterans won’t cut it. If the Braves don’t want to spend, then promote. We’ll have a new manager next year, I hope Wren can give him a team balanced with veterans and plenty of youth. I’m a member of AARP but I don’t want the Atlanta Braves to be.
reality check
September 27th, 2010
10:32 am
Mark why do you keep leading the fans on and acting as if this team has any hope of the play offs? Get real and look at the facts….
Nats won 2 of 3. The Fish kill us and we will be long gone by the time we play the Phat Phils triple a team.
GermanBravesFan
September 27th, 2010
10:32 am
bruce mac: who will be the closer? who will be the set-up guy? Braves need at least one veteran there. Jason W-e-r-t-h? Might not be bad, but Scott Boras is his agent, so you won’t be able to get him for less than $ 18 million. What options might be out there via trade? Braves have plenty of young pitchers – even though I would prefer to see Lowe traded.
Ted M
September 27th, 2010
10:33 am
Chris – “just not the effort” …don’t forget McLouth’s sissy throw to the plate too.
GermanBravesFan
September 27th, 2010
10:35 am
bruce mac: what would Jason Werth be worth?
Ted M
September 27th, 2010
10:37 am
Zambrano could beat the Padres tonight.
steve brown
September 27th, 2010
10:37 am
Cox and Richt are both “players” managers/coaches but do they get the most out of their talent? I don’t think so. The Braves are so relaxed maybe someone needs to tell them that if they don’t win any more games they will not make the playoffs.
CSpin
September 27th, 2010
10:39 am
How about a blog on the incredible Falcons game yesterday? It was the great silver lining to a poor weekend and may get our minds off the crumbling bravos. It’d be like a cold beer on a Friday evening.
Ted M
September 27th, 2010
10:39 am
Thank god the Falcons won otherwise Atlanta would have had another miserable weekend.
bruce mac
September 27th, 2010
10:41 am
German, there closer will be the new right handed Wagner (Kimbrel) and Johnny Venters will be the set up man. Then you have Dunn, O’flarity, and plenty more young tallented pitchers Without Farnsworth Braves can still sign a Saito type veteran and Moylan is still in the mix with plenty of experience. D Lowe is a Boras client also, Wren gets along with him better than most. Don’t worry about that.
Avid Braves Fan
September 27th, 2010
10:42 am
Cox’s handling of his players sucks. He has never been able to handle a pitching staff and now he has gone senile on us with 6 games left. He refuses to make moves and offend anyone. Bunt, steal, hit by pitch, whatever you have to do to score runs. He leaves Venters in to pitch to a right handed batter, when Moylan is waiting in the wings. He has been a very good manager but it is obvious that it is past time for him to retire. I believe Gonzalez could take this same team and win 10 more games in a season. Good luck in your retirement Bobby.
Ted M
September 27th, 2010
10:43 am
The Braves suck but they just might back into the playoffs. The west is capable of choking more than the Braves.
bruce mac
September 27th, 2010
10:45 am
Oh yea, I forgot the best part. Jason Worth signed with the Georgia Bulldawgs out of high school. He wants to play in Atlanta, no doubt. 5 years, $85 Million would do it with partial loading after KK is gone. It does work and it can happen if Frank will just work his arzz off to make it happen.
Keith
September 27th, 2010
10:46 am
Mark,
Sounds good! Give us Braves fan a little bit of hope, even though our bats aren’t experiencing that hope right now.
I look forward to your upcoming blog.
Now, should I fetch you some coffee, too?
Keith
September 27th, 2010
10:48 am
Re: Avid Braves fan
Sorry, but you are crazy if you don’t think he handles players well!
He’s had this bunch playing well over their heads for like 3-4 mos. They held the division for how many consecutive days? No, I have more respect for Bobby for his handling players than any other year with the Braves.
His tactics do frustrate me at times, but his handling of players has lead him to his 2,500th win!
GermanBravesFan
September 27th, 2010
10:49 am
bruce mac: yeah, Wren gets along with Boras… is that why the Braves “only” pay D. Lowe $16 million per year? That deal was made out of desperation: the Braves needed a starting pitcher and Boras knew it. The same can be said about Werth. Good luck!
help needed
September 27th, 2010
10:49 am
lets get Andrew Jones in cf Tonight. 222 is o.k. he will hit 3 hrs this week to lift the braves. Prado cant play 2nd right now. but has alot of experience in of . lf would be eaiser on the finger. pyt Troy in at 3b. Prado and Heyward switch in batting order. Troy can hit the hr also. were not hitting with runners in scoring pos. so lets get as much power in as possible. also dont mess with rotation moving guys up their already tired. thursday will give them extra rest they need. Huddie is wore out would help to miss a turn. moving him up would shut him down. so the playoffs would be embarassing anyway. go with Martineze or K.K. he won some big time games last year. (if J.J. is not ready) DO NOT LOSE 5 GAMES instead of maybe 1.
Sabre
September 27th, 2010
10:49 am
Mark,
Your point is EXACTLY what makes baseball one of the most intriguing sports. Not only is it a game of inches, but it is a game of incremental nuances. If the Braves win that last series, they statistically must gain (at least) one game on the Padres or Giants. They key to this whole thing is the next series vs. the Marlins. They must put themselves in a position to capitalize on the “quirk.”
benchwarmer
September 27th, 2010
10:50 am
If the Braves make the playoff and then get swept that would be a fitting send off for Bobby Cox. I like the guy and he is great in so many ways but through the years they should have been better.
benchwarmer
September 27th, 2010
10:52 am
In Bobby’s defence he was just not given enough to work with this year. The wheelsdidn’t come off so much as they wern’t all there to begin with. The car eventually was wrecked because of it.
Ted M
September 27th, 2010
10:53 am
The Cubs and the Diamondbacks have both been playing a little better lately. This wild card is going to come down to who chokes the least.
benchwarmer
September 27th, 2010
10:54 am
By the way I don’t believe in jinxes. For those who do just say Voldemort ten times turn in a circle and exhale.
BravesMan
September 27th, 2010
10:55 am
Flipping between the Braves and Falcons on TV yesterday , I decided the Braves don’t play well enough for me to put any more energy into supporting them and after yesterday I am convinced they could not take a 3-game series from any team in the National or American leagues. R.I.P.
bruce mac
September 27th, 2010
10:55 am
So, D Lowe is a bust huh? D Lowe is the most consistent starter in the Major Leagues over the last 10 years. D Lowe is our best pitcher right now by far. You don’t get the best on the cheap and he is worth every penny.
Nothing Is Over
September 27th, 2010
10:57 am
Negativity is contagious around here. Six games left at home. Buy a ticket (M-W are still available)….it might be your last chance to complain until next April.
Braves can do it! Pressure is on the “perfect” teams now. Keith was right in his post earlier. Might be fun to go in as wildcard for a change! Ask Florida about that…….
Keith
September 27th, 2010
10:57 am
Re: BravesMan
While i’ve been to 20 games this year as a Braves’ fan, I’ll agree that the Falcons game was amazing and helped me forget about the horrible loss yesterday.
I guess our solace is tonight we have MNF and Hanson on the mound.
GO BRAVES!
Edward M
September 27th, 2010
10:57 am
You may think the Braves are not dead but they are.
Keith
September 27th, 2010
10:58 am
Re: Nothing is Over
I LOVE IT!!!!!!
Thinking of going to Wednesday’s game. Have a day off work.
I want to go tonight, too.
Keith
September 27th, 2010
10:58 am
Re: Nothing is Over
Thanks!
I’m thinking of going Wednesday and maybe tonight!
GermanBravesFan
September 27th, 2010
10:58 am
bruce mac: Lowe was really good last year… and this season, too. cannot remember his current ERA, though…
Keith
September 27th, 2010
10:58 am
Posts continue to disappear, Mark.
Ted M
September 27th, 2010
11:00 am
Who knows how many games Cox blew early by sticking with McLouth and other ice cold players? Several. There is nothing Cox can do now but hope… were in this situation because of him.
Dawggone
September 27th, 2010
11:00 am
Come on Braves Fans….we have the best record in Baseball @ home we sweep the Fish and get some help from the teams playing SF and SD we may only have to win one game against the Phils and be in the wildcard, we gotta believe!
bruce mac
September 27th, 2010
11:00 am
D Lowe has a bone chip in his elbow DA. D Lowe is a stud, period.
Keith
September 27th, 2010
11:01 am
Re: Mike
I would love to see Crawford on this team. Or dunn. I think Crawford does more…but either one would be a win!
Ball Boy.
September 27th, 2010
11:01 am
Braves are not dead. Just their bats.
Keith
September 27th, 2010
11:01 am
Re: Dawggone
Bring it baby!!!
I love your thoughts. We just have to remember how good we are @ home (even though of late not as good as before) and how bad we are on the road.
Home = HOPE
bruce mac
September 27th, 2010
11:03 am
With Freddie at first the Braves will not sign any more left handed hitters for 2011. Jason Worth baby. He can hit, play center, run, and add some veteran fire.
Mr. Obvious
September 27th, 2010
11:03 am
The 2010 Phillies have treated the 2010 Braves the same way the 2006 Michael Vick treated his 2006 pit bulls.
help needed
September 27th, 2010
11:04 am
Attack mode
Barnhard Stumptrian
September 27th, 2010
11:04 am
Braves are not dead. But, ask me again after this wild card thing plays out.
GermanBravesFan
September 27th, 2010
11:04 am
Keith: that’s the spirit!!! Go Braves!!
Jesse Stone
September 27th, 2010
11:05 am
How can some of you “fans” hope the Braves don’t make the playoffs, because you think they’ll be swept out? Did you also hope your turn at bat wouldn’t come up because you didn’t want to dig in against a tough pitcher? That is WEAK, girls.
T-Bone
September 27th, 2010
11:06 am
Is there any way we can get Arthur Blank to buy the team? Bradley is right; we need some talent.
droopydawg
September 27th, 2010
11:07 am
There is just no way the Braves make the playoffs, unfortunately. They have looked like a 100 loss kind of team the last month. We will somehow manage to get swept by the Marlins, which is probably better than getting swept out of the playoffs. At least if we don’t make the playoffs I can stop paying attention and hoping.
Dontavius Supremo
September 27th, 2010
11:08 am
They’re not dead, but they’re on life support.
USED CARS
September 27th, 2010
11:10 am
I suggest we petition the commissioner to allow us to play all three of CF simultaneously. McLouth could go after balls in the gap, Melkie would be active on balls hit directly at CF and Ankiel could throw for both. At the plate, McLouth could come up in unimportant situations, Ankiel could bat when we need a strikeout to avoid the double play and Melkie could stand in the on-deck circle and eat donuts. I see no competitive advantage over any other team, just a sort of evening the deck to give us a true 9-man lineup
Ted M
September 27th, 2010
11:10 am
Zambrano has a good shot at beating the padres tonight
TU87
September 27th, 2010
11:10 am
Hate to say it, I don’t see the Braves in the playoffs. At Florida this week where the Marlins always play them tough and home against the Phillies, who just swept the Braves. Yes Phillies will probably rest their top 3 pitchers, but their offense is good enough to win 1 or 2 games here. Padres get 4 games at home against the Cubs, they could easily win all 4.
IBAR
September 27th, 2010
11:11 am
You are killing us Mark! Anyway, I think the Phillies would love to beat us in the final series and knock us out of the playoffs, so I don’t think that series will be any easier. Also, there is no reason to believe we will all of a sudden start playing good baseball these last 6 games.
Ted M
September 27th, 2010
11:11 am
“Zambrano” must be a dirty word because posts with it get filtered out.
help needed
September 27th, 2010
11:11 am
GET ANDRUW ASAP GLAUS at 3b PRADO lf. Heyward bats 3rd dont pitch pitchers on short rest. they could use an extra day off . or we are done. now we can hit the Bomb more . not worrie about risp. the bomb gives mo.
Keith
September 27th, 2010
11:12 am
Re: Jesse Stone
You are one reasonable poster.
To say you’re a “fan” and say you don’t want them to make the playoffs is laughable. Either you’re a nominal fan and don’t know how the postseason is a fresh start and usually bares nothing from Sept play, or you’re a Phils fan trolling!
Keith
September 27th, 2010
11:12 am
Re: TU87
We are @ home vs the Marlins.
Ted M
September 27th, 2010
11:13 am
“there is no reason to believe we will all of a sudden start playing good baseball these last 6 games.”
Home is the reason.
Brave Observer
September 27th, 2010
11:13 am
The excitement is gone for with the Braves. Even if they make it to the playoffs I can just about predict how it will play out. Braves lose in 4.
Jalen
September 27th, 2010
11:14 am
Stop playing Melky Cabrera and Nate Mclouth over Rick Ankiel! move Jason Heyward down to THIRD so he can drive some runs in.
SG10
September 27th, 2010
11:14 am
Mark,
I said it on some other blog and saying it again here. If the Braves had played this same team all year, they would have had 100 loss season. By same team, I mean, without Glaus’ 2 month spark, Chipper, Medlen out, Prado, JJ hurt. If the braves are losing to Pirates and Nationals right now, it is because Nationals and Pirates have better teams at this point of time. Essentially, this current team is riding the success of a different team that was arguably better the the most teams in NL. Despite the recent surge by Lee, he is not carrying the Braves like Glaus did in May and June, getting those big hits..plus McCann is having ordinary year. (Is he the same guy who hit 0.500 in spring training prompting Cox to say he was in the mid-season form already?)
Barnhard Stumptrian
September 27th, 2010
11:14 am
Yes Virginia, the Braves are not dead. They just crossed over the ‘ol river Jordan to be with Granddaddy and we’ll see them again one day soon.
Kentavo
September 27th, 2010
11:14 am
Say what you want about ‘em, but we really are missing Chipper, Medlen and Saito; those guys were/are key. There is not a game-changer in the lineup on offense – just look at what Adam Dunn does in the middle of a lousy (but still good enough to beat us) Nationals team. We need a power threat like that.
And the pitching? We’re trying to win crucial games with key contributions from a bevy of rookies.
And I’d rather the Braves play the Fish and Phils’ starting lineups and pitchers as we’ve seen how the team performs against AAA talent already. Can we just call up the entire Gwinnett squad to finish it out for us?
Ted M
September 27th, 2010
11:14 am
Keith you beat me to it
David Granger
September 27th, 2010
11:18 am
I hate to admit this, but I don’t want them to make the playoffs only to turn around and lose out in the very first series, Mark. As in other years, Bobby Cox has put together a pretty good team for the long haul, but not so good at shifting gears and using that team in a short series.
Booby's booger finger
September 27th, 2010
11:18 am
Are the Braves still playing? I didn’t notice…
Ted M
September 27th, 2010
11:20 am
David Granger you should hate to admit it.
david
September 27th, 2010
11:20 am
What good will it do for the Braves to make the post season they will be one and done.
zulu doctor
September 27th, 2010
11:20 am
The Braves are not dead. A dose of viagra would make them play harder.
urm
September 27th, 2010
11:20 am
I’m tired of throwing my remote watching this team…….
Bullwinkle
September 27th, 2010
11:20 am
The goal is to make the playoffs. Then it’s a crap shoot. Anybody can win it.
johndawg
September 27th, 2010
11:21 am
Please… the Braves were put on life support 2 weeks ago when they lost the East lead to the Phils. And last week the Phils smothered them with a hospital pillow to put them out of their misery.
They are DEAD… along with the Dawgs!
Go Falcons!
Wrenmeadeal
September 27th, 2010
11:22 am
Stop the hatred… franky put us RIGHT in the thick of things now that rick ankiel found his power stroke!!!
USED CARS
September 27th, 2010
11:22 am
I was thinking of a challenge trade, Bobby Cox for Mark Richt. They both look tired and frustrated at this point and a change of scenery might help
braves70
September 27th, 2010
11:22 am
As the Titanic plunged beneath the ocean foam for the final time, the AJC writers were heard to say “Don’t worry! We are not ……. blub, blub,blub ……… dead …….. blub, blub ….. yet.”
Bob's brother, Lil Jack Horner
September 27th, 2010
11:23 am
The Braves are not dead. That stink is coming from the fans.
China Bill
September 27th, 2010
11:25 am
Mark,
How can Gonzalez hit 17 hr before the trade, and only 6 after?
Ankel is worthless!
Why has Lee totally lost it?
McLouth isn’t even a good AA player!
It used to be players got better when the came to the Braves!
I think, Pitching just got tired of holding up the hitters
Swaga 1
September 27th, 2010
11:25 am
The Braves could not beat Washington(last place team) 2 of 3 when it had to and u guys now think that the are going to miraculously beat florida and phils. it doesn’t matter who the opposition has pitching for them the braves cannot score runs. its funny how a pitcher who has been struggling all year seems to find it when he faces the braves. funny how that happens.
BamaFan
September 27th, 2010
11:25 am
Sorry, the Braves are dead and I have no more hope. The NL West is beating each other up to the point that they will let the Rockies make magic again. I hate even pulling up the scores now. They need to go 6 – 0 with no questions asked.
SG10
September 27th, 2010
11:26 am
Mark,
You said the next season will be good. Where do you see Braves improving next year? Who will take McLouth’s contract? Without adding a payroll, how can they improve? Despite Glaus’ late struggles, there is going to be a drop in the first base production. Freeman doesn’t seem as ready as Heyward was. The only move I see is that if Chipper comes back then Infante wil move to the LF. Also, I don’t see how we can improve defensively with the same group of guys and the defense was our biggest handicap this year.
Dave Pursley- Team Medic
September 27th, 2010
11:27 am
The Braves are not dead. That pale look is just natural this time of year.
Terry
September 27th, 2010
11:27 am
The Braves will never go anywhere without some team speed. Every year they won the Division, they had at least one guy with 20+ steals. Since 2005, no Brave has stolen 20 bases in a season.
Laughing So Hard Peed My Pants
September 27th, 2010
11:28 am
“They still should win the wild card.”
When I saw your column listed on the page, I assumed it was the old column from last week. Instead, I see it’s brand new and bold as hell! lol
Your logic is the same logic you and many others had that the Braves should go into DC and take that series.
Your logic features no real logic. On paper doesn’t matter. The Nats have handled the Braves this year and last. The Nats have OWNED the Braves in Nationals Park! Yet you guys(sorry, Im laughing now) you guys tell us how the Braves are gonna get it done in DC! lol
So now they go home to face a Marlins team who although crippled (oh yeah, the Nats took the series without Ryan Z taking an AB) helped end the season for the Braves last year by contributing to making sure the Braves late season run amounted to nothing! Then you have the Phillies who will probably give their 3 Cy’s a few innings each so not to totally disrupt their rotation. A few innings from each of those Cy’s should be enough to seal the Braves fate.
Wait!! Now I get it! Bradley, you sly old dog! You saw how DOB was getting all the flak for not asking the hard questions or writing the hard column even though he’s the beat writer, and you decided to stir the pot by writing something even YOU don’t believe! That has to explain it! There is no logic otherwise!
Geez even
Swaga 1
September 27th, 2010
11:28 am
its funny when a pitcher has been struggling all year but seems to throw a good game against these Braves…..we have no offense. We are not going to the playoffs u guys will just have to come to this reality….the faster u do the better off you’re gonna be. IF, and that a big IF we get into the playoff we’re gone in 4 games and possibly get swept. We’re not that good people….never have been
JoeFan
September 27th, 2010
11:29 am
The Braves have more lives than a cat. However, this team has gone from a fun group to watch to a almost complete flop. Right now they don’t deserve to be in any kind of playoffs and would do us all a favor if they missed the playoffs altogether. And they get paid for this performance?
Undertaker
September 27th, 2010
11:29 am
Oh, okay. I must be at the wrong place.
soxman
September 27th, 2010
11:32 am
They ARE playing like the postseason! Like a Bobby Cox postseason team! What do you call a guy with a 1 and 24 record? LOOOOOOOSER! Thank you Bobby Cox- for FINALLY quitting!
DCBrave33
September 27th, 2010
11:35 am
I agree with both Keith and you Mr. Bradley, the Braves are still alive and really shouldn’t be. That right there is cause for SOME optimism. I dont understand people who think it doesn’t matter if they get in or not because they will be swept. Who says so? There have been countless teams (not just the 2006 Cardinals) to look hapless late in the season, only to turn it around in October. Heck, even the other ‘06 WS team, the Tigers blew the division in the final three weeks but held on to the WC and went to the World Series. The Yankees won 87 games and lost 7 or 8 out of there last 9 games in 2000, but they went on to win the WS.
It is always good to get into the postseason, because everybody has a chance. It is not like football where you play exclusively on the road, or play more rounds. In baseball you never really have your hands tied behind your back (except for occasional pitching rotation shuffling). Let’s get there, enjoy it, and take our chances!
Bishop Eddie
September 27th, 2010
11:35 am
The Braves are not dead.Welcome to the world. The Washington sweep means nothing and we’ll stand together and fight this thing to the end son.
reality check
September 27th, 2010
11:35 am
I aaid before the Nats series we would be lucky to win 2 or 3 games with the remaining schedule. We have 1 and face the Fish who beat us even when we are good and the Phat Phils who just swept us.
Did I give the Braves too much credit. Can we win another game?
Huddy is showing signs of being tired.
No other pitcher, except maybe Lowe is pitching well.
No timely hitting
No good fielding
No good bench play or pinch hitting
What is there left? Oh yeah, the season being over.
reality check
September 27th, 2010
11:37 am
As Jim Mora once said….”PLAY OFFS, play offs, are you kidding me?”
Dr. R
September 27th, 2010
11:39 am
I agree with Mark, and those who think Bobby has done a great job with what he has. I know there always are fans who want to blame him, and who basicallly think this team is better than it is. He has squeezed the most out of a fairly mediocre roster. When you factor in the injuries to Chipper, Medlen and Jurrjens, it’s quite remarkable they are still in the hunt. Remember, this is a mid-payroll team that did not spend big money in the offseason at all (which is why we wound up with Troy Glaus and his one-month hot bat at first base). Think of it this way: At the trade deadline, the Phils got Roy Oswalt; the Braves got Ankiel and Farnsworth. Which team is financially more committed to winning? Bobby is having to put a weak lineup and rookie pitchers out there every night now. He and Wren have done a great job turning this club into a contender, whatever happens this last week. You win with talent, and they just don’t quite have enough.
Keith
September 27th, 2010
11:40 am
Re: DC Brave 33
NIce post. Now between your article and mine, Bradley will just have to do a little plagrism-tweaking and have his next blog!
Kidding, Mark!
GO BRAVES!!!
Home = Hope.
Keith
September 27th, 2010
11:41 am
I can’t spell today. hehe
DCBrave33
September 27th, 2010
11:41 am
I also wanted to add that the alarming thing to me is that while the Braves are in the thick of the pennant race, it seems that few people, if any (both fans and on the team) are enjoying themselves. That to me is most troubling. No one seems to be enjoying playing these meaningful games here at the wire. Look at San Diego, San Fran, they both seem to be embracing the excitement of the chase. The Braves seem to have a sense of relief when they win (like Saturday).
The players and fans need to soak up and enjoy this final homestand. The more excited you are about the opportunity you have as opposed to worried about the consequences, the better off you will be, in my opinion.
Maybe you could talk about that as well Mark (if you perceive it too)? Are the players enjoying the race, or are they just filled with anxiety and pressure? Sure looks like the latter, despite cliche comments like “just can’t wait to get to the park” and things like that.
Darth Hater
September 27th, 2010
11:42 am
Even if the Braves sneak into the MLB Postseason and manage to win the World Series for Bobby Cox and Atlanta, Mike Vick will still be the “Johnny Appleseed” of Herpes.
Ted M
September 27th, 2010
11:45 am
Mark,
Do you know if any of the Braves read your blog?
Dr. R
September 27th, 2010
11:45 am
DCBrave33 is right. Too many fans still act as if the playoffs are a birthright. Only four teams in each league get in; it’s special and rare to do so. Because the Braves won 14 straight years, I think fans began to take it for granted. And we still have that college football mentality that says all we gotta do is show up and make a bowl, but it doesn’t work that way in the pros. Be happy to be in contention. You could be fans of the Nats or Pirates, who have nothing to look forward to in September.
As for D Lowe, he’s a guy who takes the ball and shows what a tough cat he is. Forget ERA, wins count, and the dude has won 15 two straight years and doesn’t miss starts. He eats up innings and keeps his team in games. Not every pitcher is going to blow away hitters for nine innings; you need some guys like Lowe to get through a season. He’s been worth every penny if you ask me.
Keith
September 27th, 2010
11:46 am
Re: DCBrave33
Good point. How much more exciting will the postseason berth be when it happens @ the Ted as opposed to on the road.
GO BRAVES!!! Get excited. Go to the games. Cheer. Scream. Clap.
Keith
September 27th, 2010
11:48 am
More on DCBraves33
Yes, it does seem like some of the excitement has faded a bit from the postgame comments since before the Philly series…when they were talking about how everyone is meshing in the clubhouse…having said that, I’m sure some of them will be excited to be playing @ home.
Carl
September 27th, 2010
11:48 am
Six days and we will have the answer for
sure.The answer could come in 4 days.
DCBrave33
September 27th, 2010
11:48 am
Thanks Keith, yeah, maybe Bradley could use us as potential brainstormers!
Its funny, Bradley is definitely my favorite Sportswriter but, as has been well documented, every time he makes a proclaimation (no matter how much fact or evidence there is to support it) for the last 4 or 5 years they have completely come back to haunt him! People are viewing him as the new Sports Illustrated cover!
I can still remember some of the good predictions too though, like the 2002 Georgia team that won the SEC. He was all over that.
Someone has to talk about the successes, even if that was 8 years ago! haha!
SR
September 27th, 2010
11:48 am
Well stated by one poster who said, “good teams do not lose 2 straight series to the Nats”, who just happen to reside where they always do, that is last place and another who nailed it when he said, Bobby just has not had that much to work with this year. Wren is an idiot, a horse’s ass and a moron wrapped up in a suit. My gosh, what a miserable, flawed roster he has assembled and frankly, I don’t give a damn what their record is, we are talking about today and a team that cannot win a series when they absoutely have to against the stinking Nats, the NATS for chrissake, isn’t even worth the newsprint. Once again, on Wren’s tombstone will be the following epitath… “Nope, not one team under my control ever made the playoffs. Loser.
RM
September 27th, 2010
11:49 am
At least there’s only a week or two left to listen to the Bobby Cox bashers. IMO, he has done a good job this year with what he had to work with. But that’s me…
NoleinDC
September 27th, 2010
11:49 am
The talent should be there to beat the bottom feeders and if a team gets hot, ala the 2006 cardinals anything can happen. The problem is with Cox’s lineup card. He needs to end the mcclouth experiment. Get Hinkse and Conrad in there more. Go back to Letting Prado leadoff, and let infante hit later in the order..Let Hinkse bat 3rd…the funk started when Bobby tinkered with the lineup and when, Hoss went down..
Steve-o
September 27th, 2010
11:51 am
From USED CARS: “McLouth could go after balls in the gap, Melkie would be active on balls hit directly at CF and Ankiel could throw for both. At the plate, McLouth could come up in unimportant situations, Ankiel could bat when we need a strikeout to avoid the double play and Melkie could stand in the on-deck circle and eat donuts.”
Man, that’s hilarous! We need a good laugh about this teams CF predicament.
Let's Go
September 27th, 2010
11:52 am
If the Braves make the playoffs they won’t have to face the Phillies unitl the league championship series and the way things are looking they would have to face the Giants (or Padres) in the first round and since neither of these are hitting any better than the Braves you have to like their chances. You would think the Braves would need to win 5 of 6 but the way the Padres and Rockies have been playing you never know 4 wins might be enough to at the very least get into a 1 game playoff next monday.
Mark………or anyone else, have they said where a one game playoff would be if needed?
DCBrave33
September 27th, 2010
11:55 am
Yep I agree Keith. I do think that tonight’s game is of upmost importance on the homestand though. I think the tone needs to be set by simply playing a good baseball game. That doesnt mean win 10-0, just take care of the opportunities given to us. When a guy is on 2nd with 0 out, get him in. Guy on 3rd with 1 out, get him in. Play clean in the field, limit the free passes, just do the small things. Set the tone for a good homestand.
I am curious, from Mark or anyone else on the blog today: What are we expecting as far as a crowd the next few nights? I know the Phils series will be packed, but how about this week against the Fish? I am anxious to see what it looks like. Anyone have any knowledge on tickets sold or a guess on how many people make a showing? I am cautiously expecting to see around 30-35 k the next two nights. I think the afternoon game will be tough for many. I hope it is more than that, but I hope it is AT LEAST that many. Anyone know that the team is expecting?
This is our year...again.
September 27th, 2010
11:55 am
Hey Mark, let’s get hypothetical for a moment here. If we end up in a three way tie with the Giants and Padres, how will that be sorted out? Would there be a playoff game between the two of them and another one between the loser and the Braves?
pat
September 27th, 2010
11:58 am
If you lose your second series to a last place team for the second time in a row, even if you make the playoffs, you are doomed. They look terrible. They can’t hit, at all. It’s one thing being a weak hitting team, it’s another to be a no-hitting team.
As for Cox, putting two rookie pitchers against a hot team in the most important series if the season made me glad he’s leaving. There is no long haul anymore. If we cannot play better than this, better to no make it, than to be humiliated in the first round of the play-offs.
SR
September 27th, 2010
11:59 am
From out here on the West Coast, my money says if this sad sack bunch somehow manages to back into the playoffs and draws the Giants in the first round, they will exit even faster than they have in the past. The Giants pitching is over the top and with the Braves, you know Hudson will choke, Jurrjens will find another body part to hurt, and so on and so on.
Keith
September 27th, 2010
12:01 pm
Re: RM
You are absolutely on target! Completely agree. If you were to tell me in March that the Braves would be .5 out of the WC and would have held the division for 3+ mos, I would call you INSANE!
Cox has performed wonderfully, even though his tactics frustrate me sometimes.
RE: DCBraves
Yes, exactly! He sends us an email 1-2 weeks in advance for ideas. Hmmmm. Good call on the remembering good predictions. hehe
DCBrave33
September 27th, 2010
12:01 pm
Let’s Go:
A one-game playoff with either the Padres or the Giants would be at Turner Field. We have a winning record against both teams. That determines it.
I also am thinking along the same lines as you. I think 5 out of 6 wins it for us, and 4-2 puts us in a one game playoff. Maybe 3-3 gets you into a playoff, but I think the realistic goal has to be at least 4-2. If they win both series and still lose, you tip your hat to the other two teams…then kick yourself for missed opportunities earlier this year.
Keith
September 27th, 2010
12:03 pm
Re: pat
See my earlier post. It would be logical to deduce that it is the way baseball works (according to your post). However, reality is the opposite. That is a baseball myth.
Just FYI.
Bradley said he might make it his next blog….so watch for it.
Fulton County Dog Catcher
September 27th, 2010
12:03 pm
To Atlanta Braves Batters: Watch out because I am under orders to round up all mangy dogs.
Keith
September 27th, 2010
12:04 pm
DCBrave33
I’ve heard that a coin toss determines the playoff (heard that on 680 regarding one situation)…but I believe that is in the event that there is a tied record for the regular season. Do you know?
DCBrave33
September 27th, 2010
12:05 pm
This is our year…again:
The three way tie scenario actually is pretty interesting. We only get one shot to advance, they get two. What would happen is, SD and SF would play a one game playoff for the division, the winner advances to the Division Series, while the loser then travels all the way to ATL to play us in a one game playoff for the WC. They get two chances, we get one, but against a tired and depleted pitching staff (you would hope).
Now, I dont know what happens in a 4 way tie if the Rockies get hot and sweep this week. Ughh, That would be terrible.
Lance
September 27th, 2010
12:06 pm
I just don’t think the Braves want it bad enough. It’s a shame. Played great baseball most of the year and the last month, they crumble to peices. I hope they pull it out but even if they do, they better start hitting unless they want to be embarrassed in the playoffs.
Tater the Bobby Hater
September 27th, 2010
12:07 pm
The Braves may not be dead clinically, but they are certainly circling the drain.
Lance
September 27th, 2010
12:07 pm
One more thing! DO NOT PUT Venters in the game. He SUCKS!!! As soon as I see Bobby keep putting him in the game, I turn the T.V. off.
DCBrave33
September 27th, 2010
12:07 pm
That’s right Keith, if teams tie for the WC and have the same record against each other, I believe that they look at records against the National League (with Interleague now, those records could be different). I know if it is a division tie and the teams split the season series they then determine it by total divisional record.
DCBrave33
September 27th, 2010
12:09 pm
Keith:
the coin-flip scenario is listed here.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/about/division_ties.shtml
DCBrave33
September 27th, 2010
12:10 pm
Whoops, wrong link!
Here is the new rules as of last Sept.
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090917&content_id=7018116
The Atlanta Braves Offense
September 27th, 2010
12:11 pm
Shucks! Bobby said we got to work six more days. Sure wish we could go ahead and start our vacations now.
Appalachia Brave
September 27th, 2010
12:12 pm
Should have kept Adam LaRouche…He hit 24 HR’s this year. FRANK messed this team up when he started bringing in all these bums…..
Ken Shelton
September 27th, 2010
12:13 pm
Past years post seasons fate not withstanding. If the Baseball Gods were to see their way to blow the winds away from the recently seemingly-defeated-before-they-stroll to the plate” seldom-clutch lineup of the Braves. Contrary to popular belief of the Bravo’s dropping a potential first series quickly, think again….We all know the Braves strength lies in the pitching, a little on hitting. Consider a three man rotation of Hudson, Lowe and Hanson up against any other teams top three opponents, and no-doubt we have a shot. Problem will be making the cut, considering the lineup Bobby Cox keeps marching out. While he’s still a decent hitter, Infante’s skills have come back down to planet earth, Prado as great as he’s been through August is hurting the team more than he’s helping for most part. And granted a great game yesterday, I still don’t believe Rick Ankiel is a quality hitter, and the Melky-man barely is good enough to be worthy of a bench role. I still say play Troy Glaus at least some with his rested knees to see if he can rekindle the magic he had earlier in the season, as after all, the Braves only jump-started their winning ways and over-jumped other teams with the opponents riding the strong power burst of Glaus. I still feel its a long-shot at best to make the Wild card, but let’s step it up a notch our Bravos and win one for the ‘Gipper” (or in this case, Bobby Cox)!
Jabo
September 27th, 2010
12:13 pm
The braves can’t hit with runners on base. This has been a problem all year but lately it has really manifested. When is the last time you saw a sacriface fly to score a runner from third? I think they probably have already set a record for hitting into double plays. It’s pathetic to watch this bunch find ways to lose. We have good young players with a bright future if they don’t let this bad season mess this up. 2011 Go Braves!
ClownStephenson
September 27th, 2010
12:16 pm
The Braves are so pathetic and LUCKY its ridiculous!!!! THE BRAVES SOMEHOW, SOMEWAY HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE OF URGENCY WHATSOEVER. This is the most critical time of the year when you MUST be playing your best baseball to be eligible for post season play. So what do the Braves do, by the way, AGAINST THE WORST COMPETITION IN THE LEAGUE: They lose 2 out of 3 against the Pirates (the Pirates stink); the Braves lose 2 out of 3 against the Nationals (the Nats stink); the Braves get swept by the Phillies (it should have been the other way around if the Braves were serious about playing in the post-season), and the Braves collapse against the Florida Marlins (losing 2 out of 3). The Braves have LOST 6 out of their last 7 games but somehow, miraculously they are only 1/2 game out of the wild card (BIGGEST MIRACLE EVER IN BASEBALL HISTORY). Like Bradley has said, the Braves are not dead and they are right there in striking distance to take care of their business. The only problem is that the Braves will probably have to beat the Pbillies to get into the post-season. The hillbilly Phillies are list a MACHINE and they are stuck on automatic pilot like a bulldozer to seek and destroy all competion thrust in front of them. The Phillies will win the world series this year if the Braves bats dont come to life soon.
Navigator
September 27th, 2010
12:19 pm
I think the situation for better hitting could improve if Glaus went to third, Prado to second and Infante to the outfield. We know BCox won’t do that, and the best thing for all of us is that his regime is just about finished. Next year the team starts with many new players, new coaching staff, and hopefully a new belief in building the team with youth, much like the Falcons are doing. Yeah, things won’t be as smooth, but the potential for success goes up. You know this bunch of veterans bring nothing.
Liberty Media
September 27th, 2010
12:19 pm
Atlanta fans are too negative and critical of the superb ownership and management that the Braves have. They are lucky we haven’t moved the team to Las Vegas.
Drewster Rockitt
September 27th, 2010
12:20 pm
I agree. Bark Madlu, write about football, the Hawks, the Thrashers, the Chase, beach volleyball or probable routes for the Tour de France, but please, please, Please quit saying anything, especially anything nice, about the Braves. You are just making it worse.
Tami
September 27th, 2010
12:20 pm
LOL….I love GTHorsie’s comment about jinxing the Braves. Thanks for the laugh.
But you’ve got to wonder what has suddenly spooked the Braves. Or if they were Cinderella at mid-season, and turned back into pumpkins come late August. Technically….yes. They’re still in the WC hunt. But why? If they continue to play this way, they’ll either play themselves out of the WC hunt. Or, if by a fluke they make it in, they’ll be eliminated in 3 games. I truly hope that Bobby really juggles the lineup and that the pitchers deliver some gems this week. It would be nice to finish Bobby’s final season strong — whether they’re able to make it into the postseason or not.
Mr. Baseball
September 27th, 2010
12:23 pm
“Just make the playoffs, if we make the playoffs, we have had a successful season” – The famous Atlanta mantra. The nonsense that has all those pretty flags pasted up on the wall next to the dancing cow at the stadium that is more Six Flags than a baseball park.
This team went on the road with the loyals proclaiming “we need to sweep the Mets, 2 of 3 from the Phillies and sweep the Nats” Well, how did that work out? You’re predicted 8-1 road trip became a 4-5 choke job.
Now, the claims and predictions still abound – 4-2, 5-1, etc. The reality is that this team is incapable of winning when it has to. You can all argue whose fault that it, but that fact remains. The Braves led the Division and controlled their destiny – a 7 game lead is now a 6 game deficit. They led the Wild Card and controlled their destiny – that is gone now too.
And history also tells us that Cox teams fall flat on their face in the post season. Even though it has been awhile, what evidence is there that this team, the one that collapsed in September, will be any different – any different from the Braves of 2002, 2003, 2004 and 2005 – all teams that were booted out of the playoffs in the first round?
Brave Hokie
September 27th, 2010
12:24 pm
I have never seen a weaker, more heartless, more gutless team down the stretch than our Atl Braves… & that goes for the 14 year streak, as well….
After Sept, they wilt, underachieve, and frankly act like they could care-less.
I wish I could…
Dirty Dawg
September 27th, 2010
12:26 pm
Actually Mark I think we already have the solution to our center field problem…he’s paying right field. Heyward’s got the speed and the arm to play the position as well or better than anybody else we have. Unless, of course, they can teach Ankiel to hit in the off-season. Now as for who’ll play right, go get Werth.
RJM Dawg
September 27th, 2010
12:27 pm
It would be nice to see one of my two favorite teams (Bulldogs and Braves) win something this year. Ain’t gonna happen with the Bulldogs so hopefully the Braves will get it together here in the final week!
Quicherbichin
September 27th, 2010
12:29 pm
The way most of you people whine and moan and complain, you’d think that Bobby Cox is either Chuck Tanner or Eddie Haas. If you people had been around to see the 70s Braves or the late 80s Braves, then you’d be happy with what you have now and just unhappy about probably not making the playoffs. But because you got spoiled by winning, you have this sense of entitlement. . well, all except for Sonny Clusters who was on acid or something the entire time. he probably sold to Dock Ellis back in the day.
Paul310
September 27th, 2010
12:31 pm
It has been an interesting year, amazing we won the games we did. Most of the year we were playing with five hitters in the lineup, when you consider very little production from center and first for most of the year. What is the combined batting average for center, left and first? Traditional power positions, and then you add in someone else is always in a slump or recovering from an injury. Lineup doesn’t intimidate anyone. Great effort from the bench, bullpen, and pitching staff. I will go with 3-3 this week, miss the WC by one.
Bruised Brave fan
September 27th, 2010
12:34 pm
Solution to the Braves problem is simple.
Keep Infante, Prado, Diaz, Heyward, Ross, McCann, Freeman, and Conrad. Let everyone else go, manager, players and coaches included, and start over. Trade, trade, trade, but stop the habit of trading for over the hill castoffs.
Christopher Chance
September 27th, 2010
12:36 pm
The Braves are like a troublesome child who keeps getting chance after chance. Even though the “stars” have lined up for them to make the play-offs……..they simply refrain from being their worst enemy.
Everyone ASSUMES that because of the scheduling, the Braves are a shoo-in to make the play-offs. However, there’s something called WINNING THESE WINNABLE GAMES that MUST happen if we are going to make the play-offs……………something we’ve shown that we have been unable to do this month.
There is something wrong with our team’s mental capacity. This team has shown in the month of September that it cannot handle this kind of pressure. If it could, then we’d have a MUCH BETTER record than 10-14 against basically inferior competition.
I’ve heard people say that once Bobby Cox believes in you, then that player does not have to deal with pressure. I feel that in the long run, shielding a player from pressure will not help him excel.
The great players in the history of all sports have excelled under pressure. They WANT the ball AND the limelight when it’s crunch time. NO GUTS NO GLORY. When they mess up, they step up to the plate and accept blame. They dont have their manager feed a gullible local press with excuse after excuse of how if liners dropped in that they would have won the game (especially when your team has committed a number of errors, ran themselves out of innings, left a league leading number of runners on base, as well as being unable to do some of the basic fundamental things like hit the cut off man AND hit and run with runners on base).
Last year, when Luis Castillo dropped that game ending pop-up that A-Rod hit that allowed the Yankees to score the winning runs……..Castillo stayed after the game and answered EVERY question that the “foaming at the mouth” New York media had to ask him. Because of his willingness to “be a man and face the music” (which is something that many in sports lack today)…….the NY press actually gave him props for not running away (something that our Brian McCann didnt do last week against Philly when he threw several balls into center field….as well as get thrown out at 3rd in a seemingly foolish attempt to tag up).
I blame the Atlanta press for not having the sack to challenge both management and our players. If the Atlanta press wasnt so concerned with writing love pieces giving the perspectives of Lord Bobby’s former coaches and players…..then maybe they themselves would put enough pressure on our team to either step up……..or get out of dodge.
Instead, I suspect that we’ll see one more week of “fluff” pieces. After all. even fluffers get paid.
Former Chief Knockahoma
September 27th, 2010
12:38 pm
The Braves are not dead. They are however, on the Trail of Tears.
Ron Roberts
September 27th, 2010
12:40 pm
Mark, I love the optimism, but that “looking at the schedule” crap didn’t pan out so well for us in losing series of late against teams like Washington (twice, actually) and Pittsburgh.
The wheels are falling off this ride; Prado’s ailing, Hudson seems to be running out of gas, Jurrjens is wobbly, we have a 1B with a bad back and another with bad knees and a third who’s a AAA all-star; we have two LF who can’t hit consistently, a CF that hasn’t hit all year, save for a little burst two weeks ago, and an error-prone SS who hasn’t put up the numbers with us he was putting up in Toronto. We traded for Ankiel, who was hitting .270 before we got him and around the Mendoza line WITH us; we picked up Kyle Farnsworth to help solidify the pen and he’s only BLOWN a handful of games for us instead of helping out.
We’re starting (lately, anyhow) two AAA pitchers in the rotation, to go with the ailing Jurrjens, the AC/DC Hanson and the worn-down Hudson.
Oh, and the Marlins always give us fits.
Matter of religious terminology
September 27th, 2010
12:42 pm
The Braves are not dead. They’ve just gone to the Happy hunting ground.
Fred
September 27th, 2010
12:43 pm
I agree with the Bruised Braves Fan and wish to add that if Wren makes one more stupid trade or signs one more over the hill cast off from any team in the world he should be added to the list to go.
Peter
September 27th, 2010
12:45 pm
I have been very negative about the Braves since the Wren moves……I think his choices were silly at best.
We lack speed, and Blanco gave us that for one guy……and he could play center field. I don’t like Farsworth, and his history in the playoffs as a Brave, is scary at best.
That said, anything CAN HAPPEN once the playoffs start…….
Guys can get hurt on the opposing teams, guys that stunk it up during the season can become over night sensations.
I don’t particularly like the Braves chances……but nothing is over until the last out is played for the Braves.
John Lennon
September 27th, 2010
12:45 pm
The Braves are not dead. But the Beatles are more popular.
Christopher Chance
September 27th, 2010
12:46 pm
Mark Bradley……….if talent was the issue, we wouldnt have been able to competed for the best record in the National League for most of the season (from June on).
Lack of talent hasnt caused us to go 10-14 in September. Running ourselves out of innings, sloppy defense, leaving runners on base, lack of fundamentals (bunting, hit and running, moving runners over, hitting a sacrifice fly, etc.)……are things that you dont need a lot of talent to do.
What you need is a manager who will not only take the time to call his guys early to the ball park and teach them these fundamental drills EACH AND EVERY DAY until they get it right……but also rip them a new one when they fail to execute.
Talent? You’re just making excuses for Bobby Cox. A lack of talent excuse doesnt fly when you’ve been 20 games over .500.
Mike
September 27th, 2010
12:47 pm
Adam Laroche will hit 25 home runs and drive in 100+ runs this year for a last place team that will lose almost 100 games. How did we let this guy get away twice?
Just sayin’.
Christopher Chance
September 27th, 2010
12:47 pm
Mark Bradley……what’s the over/under on the number of fluff pieces that will be posted on Bobby Cox this week?
Elvis
September 27th, 2010
12:50 pm
The Braves are not dead.
Mitchell
September 27th, 2010
12:51 pm
bjohndawg
September 27th, 2010
10:20 am
Bobby deserves to be in the playoffs.
Nobody deserves to be in the playoffs, least of all Bobby.
You earn it.
Runnin
September 27th, 2010
12:52 pm
I guess we can give up now. I was holding out but Bradley’s never been right about anything.
Turk Wendell
September 27th, 2010
12:52 pm
If Braves weren’t jinxed before, they sure are now with this article. Get out the chicken and start chewin’ or the Braves will be packing their $#!+ and going home. This message has been approved by Tim Hudson.
Jim Morrison
September 27th, 2010
12:52 pm
The Braves are the Lizard King, they can choke anything…
Christopher Chance
September 27th, 2010
12:52 pm
Mark Bradley………..Bobby Cox addressing the team before Game 3 of the Philly series? That’s a doctor letting a sick patient wait days in the emergency room before making a feeble attempt to treat him.
What Lord Bobby should have done was send a STRONG MESSAGE (like Charlie Manuel did) and set his rotation for the Philly series. That would have shown his players that the Philly series was urgent AND that he wants his best to face them. Instead, he basically laid down and said “let’s save our best pitchers (Hudson and Lowe) for the Nationals.
What a joke. The best want to play the best. However our best was on the sidelines against the best.
What kind of message does that send? Our recent clearly answers that.
Jeff Francoeur
September 27th, 2010
12:54 pm
Watch ME go to the post-season w/my shiny NEW team… I have done SO MUCH to deserve this…
DC Brave
September 27th, 2010
12:54 pm
I recently read the book Rammer Jammer Yellow Hammer by Warren St. John. The book is about a whole lot more than Alabama football. The book is about being a die-hard fan…about using the word “we” when talking about the prospects for an upcoming game. “We are looking good.” Or for the Braves lately, “man, WE cannot buy a hit with runners in scoring position.” Pulling for my team is killing me this year. I have literally had blood pressure problems watching the past few games. The apparent lack of interest by my team’s owners is maddening. Yet for all their faults, the Braves are my team, as they have been since 1982, when Dad took me to that first game. C’mon Braves. Don’t let US down. Make us proud. Finish strong. If WE go down, WE all go down together. Go Braves.
James
September 27th, 2010
12:57 pm
Fire Bobby Cox now and let Freddi Gonzalez finish out the remainder of the season.
Lil' Barry Bailout
September 27th, 2010
12:58 pm
Sorry, Mark, but the Phillies are going to bitchslap the weak-azz Braves three more times just for the pure fun of it.
Larry
September 27th, 2010
12:58 pm
Someone in the Braves clubhouse needs to stand up an say hey It’s time to win it for the Old Man… The city of Atlanta expect you to at least try… And we will be disappointed if you do not….
Mike
September 27th, 2010
12:59 pm
@DC Brave…you’d stop all this “we” stuff in a heartbeat if you ever tried to get an autograph for your kid two hours before a game.
Paul Lentz
September 27th, 2010
12:59 pm
My new name is Christopher Chance.
Jackson Firth
September 27th, 2010
1:00 pm
Bobby Cox is a great manager only in the eyes of the Braves public relations writers who act as AJC sportswriters. Their junk will probably get him voted into the HOF. Sports writers denied that honor to one of the games best players ever, Pete Rose.
Paul Lentz
September 27th, 2010
1:00 pm
…and I still don’t know what the he!! I’m talking about.
DC Brave
September 27th, 2010
1:01 pm
Mike….that is funny. I got a baseball signed by David Ross and Brian McCann. Getting an autograph is about timing. How would you like to have a hundred people screaming at you for an autograph an hour before you close a big deal or have a big day at work? Especially nowadays when so many people are only out to get the autograph so they can sell it on E-bay.
Christopher Chance
September 27th, 2010
1:02 pm
GermanBravesFan………your 9:36am post is off the mark.
Braves fans like me desperately want to see the Braves make the play-offs and win. However, loyalty to a team does not mean that we have to be blind to reality.
I’m not going to overlook the fact that our manager has created an environment where our players continue to shoot themselves in the foot………….while many in the Atlanta press continue to let Lord Bobby get away with the BS excuses that he feeds them.
We live in a country where questioning our leaders is mandatory. Why should sports be any different?
Do you think that Yankees, Red Sox and Philly fans are any less “loyal” because they rip their teams when they lose? Because of pressure from the press, those teams know that they have to do what it takes to compete….they know that their moves and play on the field will be scrutinized by both fans and the media alike.
However, in comfy Atlanta……..sports teams dont have to worry about that (especially the Braves).
Bottom line, the Atlanta media is complicit in all this. Their inability and refusal to be TRULY objective and critical when warranted has given Braves management and their players a SAFE HAVEN to not put the best product on the field.
SR
September 27th, 2010
1:02 pm
They don’t show up when they absolutely have to, why think these last 6 games will be any different? They will lose tonight and they will be fortunate to win back to back series. You got automatic outs and Double Play machines up and down the lineup. Add in the chokers with runners on and you get the picture. It’s over and if it isn’t now, it soon will be.
Turk Wendell
September 27th, 2010
1:03 pm
The only message Bobby has for his players is “Wait here while my (favorites)boys do their best and then it will be your turn to save the day. If you don’t then you blew it,not my boys.-YOU!
Bobby Cox reminds me of what Jon Koncak said about D.W. after hogging the ball until the shot clock was running out. “Here’s the ball shoot!” Just like when Bobby let’s his boys play first. It’s either here’s the ball (with runners in scoring position and no one out) or go pinch hit with two outs after a double play.Bobby’s favorites and assumptions have killed this team and once again disgraced the state of baseball in Braves country.
Lil' Barry Bailout
September 27th, 2010
1:05 pm
Man, I watched a LOT of games this year, only to (probably) not get to see the Braves in the playoffs. What was I thinking?
Petro
September 27th, 2010
1:06 pm
Mark, I like you and feel you’re a good write but you’re delusional to think this team is getting the WC. The Braves couldn’t even win a serioes against the Nats! They have a worn outt Hudson and a washed up Lowe. You’re too smart to believe your own column.
DC Brave
September 27th, 2010
1:08 pm
@Christopher Chance, I used to share your thoughts. I used to think that the apparent light treatment Bobby’s decisions receive by the media was unhealthy. But look at it from another angle. Let’s say the columnists slammed the obviously bad decisions…like not bunting with runners on 1st and 2nd and nobody out. No one but the fans is going to read that…meaning, there is no one out there to gauge public sentiment and “take somebody to the woodshed.” This is because the Braves effectively have no owners. They were purchased as a tax write-off. The result is that they only person Braves Upper Mgt is accountable too for the team’s performance is themselves…so long as they don’t draw Liberty Media’s attention by trying to spend too much money. What a sweet deal for Frank Wren and JS these days…
Herschel Talker
September 27th, 2010
1:09 pm
Christopher Chance at 1:02PM:
Very well said.
HT
Laughing So Hard Peed My Pants
September 27th, 2010
1:10 pm
“Appalachia Brave
September 27th, 2010
12:12 pm
Should have kept Adam LaRouche…He hit 24 HR’s this year. FRANK messed this team up when he started bringing in all these bums…..”
When you tell everyone you haven’t cut payroll, but you have to cut payroll because you don’t have the money to spend to keep payroll at the current level, it can be complicated.
I’ve seen all this talk about ATL media types not being tough enough with Cox or Wren or the players and not writing enough critical reviews or columns.
Ya know…. I can live with that. What I can’t live with is when Wren and Mcquirk and company say they weren’t cutting payroll and still insisted they weren’t and had not cut payroll even when every other payroll tracking mechanism outside of ATL showed us they had INDEED CUT PAYROLL! (COTS anyone?) Now for THAT I will give ATL media grief for! They should have called these guys out each and every day in a column until they admitted they had lied to the fans and indeed cut payroll. That should never have gone unchallenged. Managements fuzzy math on that was a joke. The Fans ain’t stockholders so therefore they can’t hold the Braves hand to the fire for accurate accounting. On the other hand, the Braves owe it to the fans to be forthcoming and not lie to them about the product they are selling.
DawginLex
September 27th, 2010
1:10 pm
Dreamland ain’t just a BBQ joint in Alabama.
Braves make playoffs
Braves beat Reds
Braves beat Phillies
UGA wins out, goes 9-3
Braves beat Yankees
Florida loses to Bama,LSU and UGA
SC loses to Auburn,Bama and Florida
UGA goes to Atlanta
UGA beats Bama to go to 10-3
BCS votes to automatically allow SEC champion into BCS title game
UGA beats Boise State for title
Donny Corleone
September 27th, 2010
1:16 pm
The Braves aren’t dead. They’re just pinin’ for a fijord.
Would You Believe?
September 27th, 2010
1:17 pm
The Braves aren’t dead, they just smell that way.
Quicherbichin
September 27th, 2010
1:18 pm
@JacksonFirth- Joe Jackson isn’t in and he was WAY better than Pete Rose. There was more evidence on Rose than Jackson. Until Shoeless Joe gets in, the Hit King should be locked out as well. @ Mitchell – You and the group of whiners that support you wouldn’t know a good manager from Eddie Haas either. Mitchell would probably start Darrell Chaney at SS, Biff Pocoroba at C , Larvell Blanks at 2B, Frank Tepedino at 1B , with an outfield of Brad Komminsk, Terry Harper and Brian Hunter. With his superior baseball knowledge, he’d probably start Mike Marshall and have Pat Jarvis as the closer. What Mitchell knows about baseball would fit into the bottom of a thimble with plenty of room left.
Christopher Chance
September 27th, 2010
1:18 pm
This is put up or shut up time. Despite how we’ve played this month. The Braves ARE in the driver’s seat (even if the car is sputtering).
If our guys can step up and win 3 home games against a Florida team without their best players (Ramirez and Josh Johnson)………as well as a Philly team looking to rest up for the play-offs……….then the Wild Card is ours.
I’ll be rooting for our guys. However, it’s hard to not be skeptical and fear that we’re going to continue shooting ourselves in the foot. After all, we’ve been consistently doing that all month long.
southern hope
September 27th, 2010
1:18 pm
Thanks Mr. Bradley….seriously…..your article kept me off the ledge….and I appreciate your insights.
Larry
September 27th, 2010
1:19 pm
DawginLex Damn you got imagination!!!!!!!!!!
Mitchell
September 27th, 2010
1:20 pm
The Braves have done an admirable job this year in their attempt to win it for the Old Man but when they needed him to step up and guide the team when the injuries started piling up and the offense started wearing down, they got NOTHING.
I think we’re seeing how much they did for him. They played their @$$es off and now they’re running on fumes.
There’s no back-up plan. Last Sunday in New York, Derrek Lee hit a grand slam. We won.
On Saturday, Gonzo hit a three run home run. We won.
Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Friday, Sunday… no three run home runs.
Unless we get a big home run, this team knows no other way of scoring or winning for that matter.
We’re seeing now, once and for all, why the man only has one World Series championship.
If we get anything less than a masterful pitching performance or an offensive outpouring, we lose.
Bobby does NOTHING.
Quicherbichin
September 27th, 2010
1:20 pm
and BTW… I know there is no 3B in the above post.. I couldn’t think of one that fit Mitchell’s qualifications for a starter of .210 BA, . 250 OBP, 0 HR and a minimum of 36 E per 100 games.
Val Dosta
September 27th, 2010
1:21 pm
As long as we have TP coaching we will never be a good hitting team. He has messed up every good hitter that we have had.
Tyler Langmeyer
September 27th, 2010
1:24 pm
Why do all you Braves “fans” continue to watch the games then if you’ve lost hope? Save me and the other true fans the typing and just shut up about it. If you don’t like the team, quit watching the games or better yet, quit claiming to be a fan. Yeah, Bobby Cox is REAL BAD. He’s only won 2,500 games and is close to another 90 win season. And for those of you that “don’t want this team to make the playoffs”, please for the love of God quit calling yourselves fans. Fans stand behind the team through good and bad. I bet all you ladies called it quits after that 9 game losing streak in April only to be the “biggest fan” after the 9 game winning streak. Nobody’s making you watch the games, so quit talking about how you “can’t watch anymore”, cause we all know you’re going to anyway. And if the Braves do win the wild card(and I think they will), don’t start spouting off about how they’ll get swept. Cause they won’t be playing the Phillies in the first round and they can handle both the Reds and Padres/Giants. It’s amazing how little it takes to change your minds. We’ll win this series vs Florida and 80% of commentors will be “supporters”. Please, go root for the Yankees with that schizophrenic attitude.
Reginald Denny
September 27th, 2010
1:24 pm
‘ELLO POLLY!!!!! Testing! Testing! Testing! Testing! This is your nine o’clock alarm call!
Christopher Chance
September 27th, 2010
1:25 pm
DC Brave…………even a conglomerate like Liberty Media will react to negative press…..if the pressure is intense enough.
It’s been 15 years since we last won a World Series…and 11 years since we last won a play-off series…..as well as 5 years since we made the play-offs.
I would like for someone to look up the following: When was the last time a manager was able to avoid being fired after going 5 years without making the play-offs (meaning he managed his team to the play-offs…then went 5 years without making it)?
Or how many many managers have gone 11 straight years without winning a play-off series (since he last managed that team to a play-off series win)?
Or how many managers have avoided being fired since they last won a World Series 15 years ago?
Christopher Chance
September 27th, 2010
1:27 pm
Herschel Talker………thank you. It’s nice to see some appreciation for calling the Atlanta media on their complicity in all this.
So tell me, how’s life on the “other blog” (where intelligence goes to die)?
E-6
September 27th, 2010
1:27 pm
If we could just get any production from below the four spot, we’d have a chance. Am surprised McClouth is not in the every day line up. Even when he’s been 0 for recently he’s hit the ball with authority as opposed to the weak grounders of Gonzo and Melky and the K’s from Ankiel and Lee.
Quicherbichin
September 27th, 2010
1:28 pm
If Liberty Media could fire “fans”, Christopher Chance would be first on the list. and I would happily offer them incentive to do it.
Christopher Chance
September 27th, 2010
1:29 pm
Mitchell…….your 1:20pm post was well said.
Our manager does nothing to help put our players in a position to win (unless you call picking your nose all game long and yelling “way to go Chipper” when Chipper is at the plate..”managing”, lol).
TTTT-Thumbody Thed Thats Thupid!
September 27th, 2010
1:31 pm
I kept saying when BC was resting the regulars (sometimes 3 or 4 at a time) on Sundays that it was gonna come back and bite him in the “buttocks” in the end. Most of them were losses if you want to check. Wonder where the Braves would be now if they had won all those Sunday games? As one manager(forgot who) use to say, “you have to play every game as if it were the last game”.
mike
September 27th, 2010
1:31 pm
How about you all quit criticizing and get your butts to the Ted for this pivotal series! There are 6 games left, and the Braves are traililng the Wild Card by a measly 1/2 game. You all act like they are 3 or 4 back with 6 to go, it is ONLY 1/2 a game. I know that the Braves have struggled recently, but they are back at the Ted where they have the BEST record in baseball. Instead of giving up and downing the team, go fill the Ted and make it a playoff atmosphere.
I will be there tonight, tomorrow night, and Friday night. Let’s Go Braves! There are some who still believe!
Christopher Chance
September 27th, 2010
1:33 pm
Tyler Langmeyer……….dude, some of us cant help but watch the Braves. Some of us forked over good hard cash to subscribe to the MLB Extra Innings package because we live far from Atlanta.
Also, Bobby Cox didnt win 2,500 games. He had great starting pitching to make managing easy during the regular season.
Look at his post season record and see how “great” he’s managed.
One more thing, Barry Switzer won a Super Bowl as head coach of the Dallas Cowboys in 1995. Would you consider him to be a “great NFL coach”?
Lesh Philling
September 27th, 2010
1:33 pm
Fact of human nature: it’s easier to watch a team work its way into playoff contention than to watch one dropping out. Having said that, I’m still watching.
I wonder how many of the Bobby supporters have only started watching in the last few years as opposed to those of us who watched the Braves squander so many opportunites while riding the arms of Maddux, Smoltz and Glavine. When you’ve seen the team choke so many times, your viewpoint of the Skipper gets jaded.
Did you see Matt Ryan on the sidelines yesterday during the overtime period? I know that football’s more intense than baseball, but that’s the kind of fire that I’ve never seen on the Braves. If these guys get upset by losing, they’re keeping it to themselves, trying to stay positive, not rocking the boat.
I love October baseball and want to see the boys do well, but I feel like Charlie Brown after Lucy has pulled the football away yet again. I also don’t expect the Phillies to do us any favors, so we had better take care of business against the Marlins.
Quicherbichin
September 27th, 2010
1:34 pm
@Christopher Chance I suppose you’d like TP and Bobby to provide “in-game per pitch coaching” so they would tell the batter what they’d done wrong on each pitch. That would be an excellent idea to give the fans their money’s worth.. I know everyone ( especially the Turner Field vendors) would ;love 9 hour games
Mitchell
September 27th, 2010
1:35 pm
Actually, it’s only been 9 years since we won a playoff series.
2001 NLDS vs. the Astros.
Of course, next year it will be 10 years. And the year after that, 11.
Christopher Chance
September 27th, 2010
1:35 pm
Quicherbichin…………..how much did you pay for the privilege of lining up on Bobby Cox appreciation day and fluffing him before the game?
Billy ( Not Martin)
September 27th, 2010
1:36 pm
THis goes to show just waht an overated manager Booby is.
He’s just like Lenny Wilkens….all those wins with one title.
How many managers do you know that would have one of the brightest power hitters in the gam in the 2 hole all year. What an idiot.
Manager of the Super 8 Hotel
September 27th, 2010
1:38 pm
Chris Chance and Mitchell- please come pay the bill for your room.
Quicherbichin
September 27th, 2010
1:38 pm
I didn’t pay a thing. I’m going to get my tickets from Mitchell’s windshield before game time since he is going to put them there to see who will take them. I suppose you would prefer the days of Eddie Haas, Russ Nixon and Chuck Tanner to what we have now, Christopther Chance?
Christopher Chance
September 27th, 2010
1:40 pm
Quicherbichin………..what I want is to see our players coached in the fundamentals of the game…..see them run the bases properly, hit the cut off man, lay a bunt down, hit and run, not lead the league in runners left on base, and field the ball properly (not have 52 more errors than the Padres).
I also dont want to hear lame excuse after lame excuse from Lord Bobby as to liners being caught costing us the game……….when in fact it was our sloppy play that kills us game after game.
Quicherbichin
September 27th, 2010
1:41 pm
” Christopher Chance as a Yankees Fan….. OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!! With the payroll and players we have, we should have won at least 40 WS and never missed the playoffs! We are better than this!!!! BIlly Martin, Joe Torre and Joe McCarthy were all bums!!!!”
mike
September 27th, 2010
1:41 pm
Quit your complaining and badmouthing. Instead, get your butts in the seats at the Ted for this crucial series. I will be there 3 of the next 4 games. A playoff berth, even if you don’t make the WS, is positive momentum to build on for the following year. Get behind these Braves. Nobody is losing on purpose. Momentum is huge, good and bad momentum. It is time we pack the Ted, get that place rocking, and help the Braves to victory. A strong run in these last 6 games could be some huge momentum going into the playoffs.
Believe it or not, there ARE still people out here who support the Braves instead of criticize.
Tyler Langmeyer
September 27th, 2010
1:42 pm
Christopher Chance: Were you expecting the to go 162-0? I’m assuming you knew the risks of paying for 81 games before you did it. I live in Charlotte, NC normally, but Greenville, NC now for college. I watch the pitch by pitch thing whenever they play cause it’s all they have in Greenville.
And tell me this: How many of players who have played for Bobby Cox have left Atlanta saying bad things about him? All you ever hear are good things ranging from his support to his leadership. Do you think Maddux, Glavine, and Smoltz would have been nearly as good if they had been playing for another manager? Yeah, there’s the element of what they can do athletically. But they all had strong support from Bobby, not to mention an excellent pitching coach in Leo Mazzone. And last time I checked, the pitchers didn’t do all the hitting and other aspects of the game. So get outta here with that..
As to your post season record statement: Aubrey Huff is arguably the best player the Giants have, but hasn’t been to the postseason yet. Does that make him a bad player? Sometimes you just run into better teams man. And it’s only 5 or 7 game series, not a whole season.
And about Barry Switzer, don’t know him, don’t really care. But if he was able to lead a team to a championship, he must have been good at something. Obviously he’s gone now, so no he wasn’t “great”.
BRAVES29
September 27th, 2010
1:42 pm
Mark Bradley’s next column- Braves are 3 out of the Wild Card with 2 to play- They’re still in it! Give me a break already. When you’re 10-14 in the most important month of the year, you don’t deserve squat…..
bamarrt
September 27th, 2010
1:43 pm
Braves should go after Colby Rasmus in the off season.
Christopher Chance
September 27th, 2010
1:44 pm
Quicherbichin……..Chuck Tanner won a World Series as manager of the Pirates in 1979 (meaning he’s tied with Bobby Cox).
If Chuck Tanner had the talent that Bobby Cox had when he managed the Braves…….then chances are that the Braves would have more championships. Instead, Tanner had the likes of Rich Mahler, Ed Olwine, Ken Oberkfell, Oddibie McDowell, Ozzie Virgil, Jeff Treadway and Paul Assenmacher to manage.
DC Brave
September 27th, 2010
1:44 pm
Did you know you can read (a little) about the Braves in the Liberty Media annual report to their shareholders? Here are some words from the 2009 report:
Capital Group
The Atlanta Braves have entered into long-term employment contracts with certain of their players
and coaches whereby such individuals’ compensation is guaranteed. Amounts due under guaranteed
contracts as of December 31, 2009 aggregated $199 million, which is payable as follows: $80 million in 2010, $67 million in 2011, $50 million in 2012 and $2 million in 2013. In addition to the foregoing amounts, certain players and coaches may earn incentive compensation under the terms of their employment contracts.
DC Brave
September 27th, 2010
1:45 pm
More from the shareholders report. Glad they have such a diverse portfolio:
Our ‘‘Corporate and Other’’ category includes our other consolidated subsidiaries and corporate
expenses. Our other consolidated subsidiaries include Provide Commerce, Inc., Backcountry.com, Inc.,
Bodybuilding.com, LLC, Starz Media, LLC, Atlanta National League Baseball Club, Inc. (‘‘ANLBC’’),
TruePosition, Inc. and BuySeasons, Inc. Provide operates an e-commerce marketplace of websites for
perishable goods, including flowers and fruits and desserts, as well as upscale personalized gifts.
Backcountry operates websites offering outdoor and backcountry sports gear and clothing. Bodybuilding
manages websites related to sports nutrition, bodybuilding and fitness. Starz Media develops, acquires,
produces and distributes live-action and animated films and television productions for the theatrical,
home video, television and other ancillary markets in the United States and internationally. ANLBC
owns the Atlanta Braves, a major league baseball club, as well as certain of the Atlanta Braves’ minor
league clubs. TruePosition provides equipment and technology that deliver location-based services to
wireless users. BuySeasons operates websites that offer costumes, accessories, d´ecor and party supplies.
Christopher Chance
September 27th, 2010
1:47 pm
Tyler Langmeyer……….While I didnt expect the Braves to go 162-0 this season…..I certainly didnt expect them to go 10-14 in the month of September AND turn a 7 game lead into a 6 deficit.
meh
September 27th, 2010
1:48 pm
hopefully that SF v SD series will be a sweep one way or the other. we still have to win our games though. I have faith in the Braves. Gonna play well at home and win the wild card.
DC Brave
September 27th, 2010
1:49 pm
Christopher Chance September 27th, 2010 1:25 pm
“DC Brave…………even a conglomerate like Liberty Media will react to negative press…..if the pressure is intense enough”
Again…I make my point…Liberty Media is about as far away as you can get from being an owner that is interested in seeing the Braves win.
Quicherbichin
September 27th, 2010
1:52 pm
Christopher Chance.. and then Chuck Tanner came here.. and his mind fell off.
Billy ( Not Martin)
September 27th, 2010
1:53 pm
Tyler
Of course all players love Booby.
He never critizes them..,ever.. and will never hold them accountable for their bad play. WHat player wouldn’t love a guy like that.
But you critizise a team mate or make some noise in the clubhouse and your gone. Remember David Justice?? But you can screw up as many times as you like on the field.
What a great manager!!!
I’m sure Greg Norton just loves Bobby
mike
September 27th, 2010
1:53 pm
It is a manager’s job to get the team into position to make the postseason. Ultimately, the players have to make the plays. Bobby has had one of his best managing jobs ever. Very little talent to work with, but somehow has this team in contention for a playoff spot with 6 to go.
Also, Bobby’s postseason record shouldn’t fall on him. As I mentioned, the manager can do everything over the course of the season to try and get the team in the postseason. Once they are there, it is on the players to get it done. If you look, too many of our “studs” (pitchers and hitters) did nothing in the postseason. Would you have benched your best pitchers and hitters just because of their lack of postseason producation? NO. You get there, then you play your best players. It is on them to get it done.
Postseason record is overrated when it comes to a manager. Bobby has averaged over 86 wins a season as a manager. That is putting you in playoff contention almost every year. Kudos to the man.
Quicherbichin
September 27th, 2010
1:57 pm
I personally think that Christopher Chance, Mitchell and many of the others here fall into the category of the Robin Williams line from Good Morning Vietnam that began ” in more dire need”… but that is just a gut feeling.
Darryl Blackberry
September 27th, 2010
1:58 pm
Mark Bradley is right, but he forgot to mention one other fortunate fact: the Braves play their last games at Turner Field. Although the Marlins are a tough team, look for the Bravos to win the series, especially with bigger crowds turning out for the Bobby Cox Appreciation Series.
Now all we have to do is hope SD or SF don’t get carried away. Mediocrity in the Western division is our friend.
Quicherbichin
September 27th, 2010
1:59 pm
Billy ( not Martin) I hear that Jack McKeon’s available.. perhaps you’d prefer him?
lynne -giving up on the braves
September 27th, 2010
2:01 pm
Do any of the reporters ask Bobby why he didn’t have them bunt with 2 on and no out in the 6th? — and what does he say about it? Why did he put Farnsworth in a tied game knowing he rarely allows no runs or runners?? What does Bobby say about that? No way the Braves will get into post season– but for some miracle they do– they won’t get past the first round. And Wren must share the responsibility for not bringing in VALUABLE players instead of mediocre ones or those who “once were good”.
david10605
September 27th, 2010
2:03 pm
I am continually amazed at the people bashing Bobby Cox. It is very apparent what happened to the Braves and Bobby has no part in it. The Braves have had no decent ownership since Ted (according to him) was shafted by Time Warner. In this putrid era of baseball money is everything. I watched the Braves win division titles earlier in this decade with AAA lineups because ownership kept pulling back on spending. How Bobby was able to win with those lineups is baffling to me. How he has won this year with one outfielder, a damaged rotation, and with the heart and soul of the team down is nothing short of miraculous.
The Braves won all those division championships and a World Series against roided up freaks. The Yankees alone could put an entire lineup in the roids HOF. Bobby won in spite of it. Not to mention, who was responsible for Chipper, Javy, Smoltz, Glavine, et al being Braves to begin with, Bobby. I hope Fredi takes over as well but it won’t matter until the Braves have real ownership again or baseball cleans up its act (not likely unfortunately). And whomever pointed out that the media fails in its obligation to point this out is right on.
Quicherbichin
September 27th, 2010
2:03 pm
@Billy (not Martin) I hear that AJ Hinch is available… perhaps you’d prefer him as a manager? Or maybe we could go the way the Padres did once and hire their broadcaster to manage… which would you prefer? Don Sutton, jim Powell, Joe Simpson or Chip Caray? Or maybe you could lure Pete Vanwieren out of retirement?
bascogcjs
September 27th, 2010
2:06 pm
Can someone tell me how McLouth ever made it to the big leagues?
If he ever had talent, he’s completely lost it. But I really believe
he is a head case. There’s something wrong and I feel bad for him.
So please Mgr. Cox leave Nate alone and let him wallow on the bench.
I’ve never seen a more lethargic player.
Billy ( Not Martin)
September 27th, 2010
2:06 pm
Quicherbichin
I’m just waiting on Freddie.
He showed he has what it takes in FLA.
Especially with Rameriez and that quack of an owner they have.
Quicherbichin-giving up on Lynne
September 27th, 2010
2:06 pm
wow.. I thought we had a chance. And then you went and gave up. It’s okay. Real fans know that all the griping whining and complaining won’t get Matt Diaz that hit or give Farnsworth an extra 3 Mph on the fastball… and oh.. BTW.. real fans know you can’t steal first.
Quicherbichin
September 27th, 2010
2:08 pm
@ Billy (not Martin) We may have already lost Fredi Gonzales. I hear the Cubs are very interested in him. And knowing the fan base we have here, why would he return? At least Cubs fans still support their team… and they haven’t won a WS since 1908!
Texas Frenchy
September 27th, 2010
2:09 pm
The Bravos have lost 2 series to the last place Knats, 1 to the last place Pirates, & 1 to the Marlins this month, they DONT deserve to go anywhere but home, you cant win with only 1 outfielder, no first baseman, no speed, no power, & a over the hill manager, thank god spring training comes once a year, lets get Freddi in here & YES, Eddie Long Dong did it, quit hiding behing GOD as your cover up you pervert!
Booby Cox
September 27th, 2010
2:09 pm
Let’s go Klesko…
Jim jitsu
September 27th, 2010
2:13 pm
The Phillies are going to be planning ahead this weekend. They will have in their power to choose their matchup. If the Braves need 2 out of three to secure a playoff spot and the result of a loss is the Phillies facing the Giants. You might see a forgiving Phllies team. Phillies hit .210 vs the Giants this year.(3-3)
The Braves are fighting the three NL West teams for the wild card berth – SI.com | ArticleNox.com
September 27th, 2010
2:17 pm
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Billy ( Not Martin)
September 27th, 2010
2:18 pm
Freddie comming to Atlanta.
Reports are he’s been offered contracts by other clubs and have turned them down. And there’s no reason to think if it were with the Cubs, they would have him locked up by now. especialy since Lou’s already gone.
wawel78
September 27th, 2010
2:19 pm
Mark – the fault in your logic is the braves have to win. They are not winning so it doesn’t matter if the pads/giants lose games because the braves are already behind.
After perusing stats, I see that Hinske went 5 for 11 in a 3 game series against the Marlins in late August. Your favorite manager has started him 2 times since and he’s gotten 19 ABs in the mean time. Greatest manager of all-time, in deed.
Quicherbichin
September 27th, 2010
2:19 pm
Texas Frenchy – I didn’t know school was out for the day yet. The Nats and Marlins seem to play us tougher than they do the Philthies. As far as Fredi ( note proper spelling ), there is no guarantee he’ll come here. He might prefer the Cubs. Their fans are certainly more loyal.
Gen Neyland
September 27th, 2010
2:21 pm
Seeing how Bobby played with Moses back in their day at New York (they were a divine DP combination btw), I’m guessing Moses is looking over Bobby. Moses didn’t win ‘em all and neither has Bobby…Let’s Go Braves.
Quicherbichin
September 27th, 2010
2:21 pm
Ok, Billy (not Martin) .. Fredi manages very similarly to Bobby, having come up through this organization… so if you’re unhappy with Bobby… you’re going to like Fredi better?
Quicherbichin
September 27th, 2010
2:23 pm
Gen Neyland .. No.. Moses played alongside Methuselah… Bobby came along much later.
NC Braves Fan
September 27th, 2010
2:26 pm
Going down in the last week of the season is the only thing worse than being eliminated in July.
Christopher Chance
September 27th, 2010
2:26 pm
Quicherbichin……….Chuck Tanner’s “mind fell off when he came to Atlanta” because he had a bunch of broken down, never was going to be anything, type players playing for him.
If Bobby Cox had been managing the Pirates since 1993, how many games do you think he would have won? In fact, how many winning seasons do you think he would have had?
Billy ( Not Martin)
September 27th, 2010
2:30 pm
Quicherbichin
Their nothing alike. Just because you’re with the same organiztion doesn’t mean they’re similar. Freddie’s not afraid to sit players and I’ll gurarntee he would,’t leave the same pitcher in the game long enough to give up 7 and 8 runs in one ionning. I can recall twice Booby doing that with Derek Lowe. And I’ll guranntee he would’t keep running a sub 200 hitter out to hit( Greg Norton come to mind in crucial game winning situations. Is Greg Norton or Nate your brother?
Christopher Chance
September 27th, 2010
2:32 pm
Billy ( Not Martin)……..your 1:53pm post sums up what I’ve been saying for years. I, myself, would love Bobby Cox if he allowed me an opportunity to play Major League baseball, earn millions and collect a pension……while SUCKING A$$ on the field.
Bobby Cox mismanaged the Braves in 2009, even more so than he has this year. How many comebacks do you think that the Braves could have mounted in 2009 if Lord Bobby didnt time after time trot out Greg “the only way I could get on base is hope that the pitcher forgets to throw strikes” Norton to pinch hit (in effect killing rallies)?
Or if Lord Bobby didnt wait two months to bench Jeff Francoeur and Kelly Johnson?
Or if he didnt wait until Jeff Bennett broke his hand in Boston…..which gave Frank Wren the perfect excuse to cut Bennett? Do any of you really think that Lord Bobby wouldnt have kept using Bennett time and time again if he didnt slam his hand in the dugout after giving up that game winning homer to Nick Green?
Murph
September 27th, 2010
2:33 pm
As a Braves fan, if the situation were reversed and the Braves had clinched and were playing either the Phillies or Mets during the last weekend with a chance to keep them out of the playoffs… yeah, I’d want the Braves to play their best players just to knock the other team out.
Maybe I’m just mean, but that’s what I’d do. Especially if my club was playing great… if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. Something Wren and the rest of the Braves management should learn.
Andre212
September 27th, 2010
2:33 pm
I completely agree with this. Despite the Braves recent struggles, they have 6 at home, and unless they lose all six, they probably have the best chance of getting in the playoffs. Either the Padres or the Giants HAVE to lose that final weekend, and the Phillies will not be throwing Hamels, Oswalt and Halladay at the Braves in their final three, or if they do, they’ll be on a limited pitch count. And I have a feeling Charlie Manuel is not going to want to stick it Bobby Cox and bury the Braves. Not saying he doesn’t want to win those games, but he respects the hell out of the legendary manager, and he wouldn’t want to run his three aces against them if he doesn’t have to.
Quicherbichin
September 27th, 2010
2:34 pm
Christopher Chance- Assuming that Bobby took over Pittsburgh instead of the Braves and given the fact that players like to play for Bobby Cox, Pittsburgh would have become a more favorable destination for players, so they would have gotten players to stay, management would have made money and attracted more big name free agents. So they would have stayed good after 1992 and they would have had 13 consecutive division titles and Atlanta would have remained the team they were back in the late 80’s. Why not? It’s as reasonable as anything else the Cox detractors have said all day.
Christopher Chance
September 27th, 2010
2:36 pm
Quicherbichin……it isnt that the Marlines and Nationals play us tougher than they do the Phillies. It’s that the Phillies know that they have to take care of business against teams that they are SUPPOSED to beat.
Unlike the Braves, who treat every game like it’s a time to be “jolly”. The Phillies play with a sense of urgency. Just look at their September record since 2006. They turn it up a notch when they have to.
What do we do, we choke…..and blame it on line drives getting caught.
Quicherbichin
September 27th, 2010
2:36 pm
Billy (not Martin) I have a friend that is a Marlins fan and she was glad to see Fredi get fired for many of the reasons that people vilify Bobby here. And just ask Kenshin Kawakami if Bobby’s afraid to sit someone.
Quicherbichin
September 27th, 2010
2:37 pm
if Chris Berman did blogger nicknames.. Christopher ” With women I have no” Chance.
Christopher Chance
September 27th, 2010
2:39 pm
Quicherbichin……..while I would rather see the Braves hire someone else, I did pay attention to how Freddi Gonzalez didnt play favorites with his best player, Hanley Ramirez. Ramirez was dogging it and Gonzalez publicly called him out on it.
The Braves actually could use a manager who will publicly call out players for FCUKING UP on the field. I think that you’d be surprised to learn that calling out players for bad play will either motivate them to step up their game………or drive them out of town (which would be a good thing to see happen if they cant cut it).
ward
September 27th, 2010
2:41 pm
I LIKE WHAT YOU SAID BRADELY. WE HAVE A CHANCE.HOW BAD DO THE BRAVES WAN;T IT? I LIKE BEACHY AND I LIKE MINOR. WE NEED A CENTER FIELDER BADELY, A LEFT FIELDER TOO. IT;S STILL A GREAT SEASON. NO MATTER HOW WE LOOK AT IT! GO BRAVES!!!!
BaseballBuff
September 27th, 2010
2:42 pm
How nice that the Braves were relaxed and feeling good going into their third game in Philly. How nice that they were clowning around on the train while travelling to DC after being swept in Philly. How good this spoiled bunch of multi-millionaires feels is, of course, what is truly important. The whole notion that in baseball a team can’t elevate itself for a big series, that it is subject entirely to the capricious whims of the baseball gods, is a lie invented by losers.Years ago, Tony LaRussa made the comment that there must be no mirrors in the Braves clubhouse, because nobody ever seems to look in one. Time to look in one now, guys, especially you, Mr. Cox!
Quicherbichin
September 27th, 2010
2:42 pm
Christopher Chance .. uh… yeah.. whatever gets you through the night. If you look through the years when the Braves were winning division titles, the Marlins played us tougher than they did other clubs. And our September record then was quite similar to the Phillies September record that you’ve posted here. Baseball is a game of inches.. If you hit enough at em balls.. you would think some would fall eventually. Surely the Braves have not been good of late, but sometimes as a player or manager you have to take chances to try to make things happen. Sometimes with disastrous result.
Billy ( Not Martin)
September 27th, 2010
2:44 pm
Yea???
but it took him eight or nine straight losses before he did.
And we all know that wasn’t Booby’s decision. Wow, what we two or three of those wins that KK gave up mean now.??? Great manager, yea.
Same as retering. I think after that great managing job he did last, I think the FW told him it was going to be his last year. NO wat he retires unless they push him out.
ward
September 27th, 2010
2:44 pm
I LIKE THE IDEA OF CHRIS CHAMBLESS OUR MANAGER OR JACK MCDOWEL.
Christopher Chance
September 27th, 2010
2:44 pm
Andre1212…………if it was as simple as the “level of competition” this week, then yes, the Braves should win the Wild Card.
However, with this bunch, it’s not that simple. When our pitching is clicking, then our margin of error is greater. However, when our pitching is struggling….our play has shown that our defense, base running and lack of fundamental play will not help compensate for that.
If you look at the Phillies, they can overcome bad pitching to win games. And it isnt just because of their power. The Phillies play MUCH BETTER defense than we do. They run the bases (I’m not just talking about stealing bases)…they hit the cut off man and throw runners out. Their catcher doesnt resort to the lazy back handed stabs when it comes to blocking wild pitchers….NOR does he airmail throws into the outfield. They can lay down bunts, hit and run, move runners over AND hit a sacrifice fly.
In other words, the Phillies, Giants and even the Padres show signs that they have been coached……….something that our guys have simply not shown.
Now how does that make Lord Bobby a great manager?
Quicherbichin
September 27th, 2010
2:44 pm
Billy (not Martin) Ask Kenny Lofton and Andruw Jones what happened when they sloughed off on the field.
ward
September 27th, 2010
2:46 pm
ALSO I WISH BOBBY THE BEST. I;LL MISS HIM!
ward
September 27th, 2010
2:48 pm
CRISTOPHER CHANCE DO YOU ALWAYS COMPLAIN ABOUT EVERYTHING? THE BRAVES DID HAVE A GOOD YEAR!
The Abs Man
September 27th, 2010
2:49 pm
Mark: Obviously your great, great grandfather worked for Gen. Custer, would’ve blogged similar at Little Bighorn.
As much as this avid 50+ years Braves’ fan hopes you’re correct, my brain tells me you’re drinking too much Peoples Temple juice and Jim Jones in next seat.
When Cox brings into a patented, long-proven rat as Farnsworth in yesterday’s winnable 2-2 game, you can’t have faith. Done it so many times earlier in season too, just as he did when Jesse Chavez was surrending runs like monopoly money early in season.
When Cox fails to use Wagner (hadn’t pitched since previous Saturday vs. Mets) in scoreless 8th inning in Philly finale, then is quoted he “didn’t see” Nate’s sissy lollipop throw from corner (worse-looking than a last-pick, fat-camp outfielder) and it results in losing, 1-0.
When Cox refuses to make obvious adjustments in lineup and maybe put some runners in motion to stay out of daily-average of three DPs per game, you lose more hope than a penniless man meeting Charon on the River Styx.
I could on and on and on and on….keeps playing a bum like Melky, keeps underusing Diaz, sat Nate way too many games when he was he red-hot, plays Alex-G with a 6-for-50 lifetime batting ledger vs, Livan, and so and on and on….well, you get the idea.
Have no doubt Cox personally is a sweet ol’ man, kind and generous to all, but as a late-game tactican is more like Fredo Corleone,
BaseballBuff
September 27th, 2010
2:51 pm
Okay, let’s assume that in baseball a team can’t elevate itself for a big series (which is a lie). In that case, how about just playing good level-headed baseball and not the worst stinking ball you’ve played all freakin’ year???????????
ward
September 27th, 2010
2:51 pm
THE BRAVES ARE GOING UP THATS THE POSITIVE SIDE AND WILL BE BETTER NEXT YEAR TOO!
Quicherbichin
September 27th, 2010
2:52 pm
Booby (not Martin) Ultimately, it’s Bobby’s decision who plays. Try to find out how deep KK is buried in the doghouse before you say it wasn’t Bobby’s decision to start Beachy over KK. The team was doing fine before Frank Wren started tinkering.. you want to blame someone.. blame him. Not Bobby, Bobby can only play with the cards he’s dealt.
Michael
September 27th, 2010
2:54 pm
Why would anyone in their right mind even WANT this team to make the playoffs just because they might do so through a fluke of scheduling? They can’t even beat bad teams with nothing on the line. How painful will it be to watch them up against a good team with a trip to the NLCS on the line?
Christopher Chance
September 27th, 2010
2:54 pm
Quicherbichin……….players would have “come” to Pittsburgh like they did in Atlanta if Bobby Cox managed the Pirates?
Really? The Braves traded for Kenny Loften, Gary Sheffield, J.D. Drew and Mark Texeria. They all said that they “loved” to play for Lord Bobby. However, they all left for a bigger payday when they became free agents.
Steve Karsay, Mike Remlinger, Mike Hammond (all reclamation projects whose careers were rescued in Atlanta…..and who all proclaimed to “love” playing for Lord Bobby)…all left for big free agent contracts.
If these guys truly “loved” playing for Lord Bobby, they would have stayed for less money. Kelly Johnson would have taken less money and re-signed with the Braves after they cut him (the Braves didnt want to have to pay him $4 mil if they offered him arbitration). What good does it do for the Braves to have players who “love” playing for Lord Bobby, if they dont end up staying?
Do you remember what happened in the winter of 2009, when Frank Wren had a hard time trying to sign any of the big time free agents? Where was all the “love” for Lord Bobby then? Derek Lowe only came to Atlanta because the Braves were willing to OVERPAY him big time.
So again, if Lord Bobby was managing the Pirates, do you really think that he could do any better at attracting quality free agents (as well as prevent big time free agents from leaving Atlanta)…..than he did in Atlanta?
Come on, man!
Ron Roberts
September 27th, 2010
2:54 pm
I’m not gonna take the bait and go all anti-Bobby Cox like some agenda-filled folks here will, but with that being said…
…it IS frustrating when we don’t play station-to-station baseball when our offense is in a funk. We’re not built for the 3-run homer, and yet it seems like we still play that way. With runners at 1st and 2nd and no outs – we don’t bunt ‘em over. With runners and 2nd and 3rd and less than 2 outs, we don’t have hitters capable of grounding to the right side of the infield or popping up at the very least. We don’t rattle pitchers with runners on base because we don’t run – at all.
Those are the sorts of things that can spark rallies or just scratch a freaking run across. Twice yesterday we had runners on base with less than two outs and got nothing, when some FUNDAMENTAL things (bunts, sac flies, etc.) would have given us at LEAST a run.
Marvin Mangrum
September 27th, 2010
2:55 pm
Im just hoping the plane dont crash!
ward
September 27th, 2010
2:55 pm
YOU GUYS THINK YOU CAN BE MANAGER? WAGNER HAS BEEN USED A LOT. YOU HAVE TO PLAY WITH WHAT YOU HAVE . SOMETIMES IT WORKS OUT,AND SOMETIMES IT DOESN;T. GO!!!!BRAVES!!!!
ward
September 27th, 2010
2:58 pm
I THINK IT;S ALWAYS GREAT FOR THE BRAVES TO MAKE THE PLAY OFFS. THAT IS BASEBALL MY FRIENDS! GO!!!!BRAVES!!!!!
Christopher Chance
September 27th, 2010
2:58 pm
ward……….good, isnt good enough……especially when you should do “better”.
Do you think that Bill Gates would be happy if he lost $50 billion dollars tomorrow (even though he’d have about $10 billion left)?
How can a true Braves fan be happy with a 10-14 record in September, ESPECIALLY given our schedule? We’re losing to some BAD TEAMS. BAD TEAMS! How hard is that for you to freaking understand?
SG10
September 27th, 2010
2:58 pm
Instead of clicking ’sports’, I clicked ‘Obituaries’ on http://www.ajc.com ..I dunno but for some reason I hoped to see the ‘Braves news’ there too
D-Nice
September 27th, 2010
2:58 pm
I have been calling for Andruw for a while. Lets not pay attention to his batting average because all we are concerned about is can he drive in runs. A struggling Andruw still drove in 87 runs for the Braves his last year and now that he is motivated not to lose his career I think we can give him one of those minimum contracts that we have been known to get away with (Glaus, Jordan, Mondesi, etc…). We have had no production and we have no minor leaguers coming up in the near future so if we want to win next year then we sign Andruw for 2-5Mil and the money coming off the books for KK, Lowe, and possibly Chipper if he has to retire then we throw everything into signing Carl Crawford so we actually get a leadoff hitter and also someone with some power.
Quicherbichin
September 27th, 2010
2:58 pm
The Abs Man .. Bobby tries to go with the hot hand.. Farnsworth had looked somewhat better of late (not that showing any improvement was difficult). And as far as starting runners.. As much as we swing and miss, you must prefer the strike em out -throw em out DP to 6-4-3. I tend to place more blame on TP than on Bobby.
Christopher Chance
September 27th, 2010
3:00 pm
The Abs Man…………do you really think that Bobby Cox is a sweet old man? If so, you might want to ask his wife what he was like back in 1995……..when sweet old Bobby “I make Ike Turner look like a BYTCH” Cox was beating up and punching his wife?
Christopher Chance
September 27th, 2010
3:02 pm
BaseballBuff……….I’ve been pondering what you said in your 2:51pm post for quite some time.
Why indeed do we continue to shoot ourselves in the foot?
My answer is simple: We are a poorly coached AND poorly managed team. Our guys dont know any better BECAUSE they havent been taught to do better.
Christopher Chance
September 27th, 2010
3:04 pm
ward……..how do you explain the 120 errors (only 4 more than the worst fielding team in the National League) AS WELL as leading the league in runners left on base?
Quicherbichin
September 27th, 2010
3:05 pm
Christopher Chance.. With many players it seems to come down to money. They have to keep their agents happy. If it were me, I’d take less to stay somewhere I enjoyed. Atlanta fans have gotten spoiled and all they want to do is complain. I’ll take what we have had since ‘91 compared to what we had before it.
BaseballBuff
September 27th, 2010
3:05 pm
Bobby Cox after losing his second straight series to the LAST PLACE Nationals while trying to secure a playoff berth: “We’re still right in the middle of it. We just need to go on a little streak.” Okay, Bobby. Let’s see it. I would say that your team is due. They are professionals, after all. And you without question inspire confidence in all of them. They wouldn’t choke it away, would they?
The Abs Man
September 27th, 2010
3:05 pm
Hey Chris Chance: Maybe wife was bereting Cox for all his bonehead late-game flubs.
“Did see Nate’s weak-ass throw from corner” resulting in lone run in Philly finale….POW…….
Christopher Chance
September 27th, 2010
3:06 pm
D-Nice………..dude, the Braves ARE NOT going to get out of paying Lowe, Chipper and Kawakami (as well as McLouth) a COMBINED $42 mil in 2011. Chipper IS NOT going to retire and walk away from $26 mil ($13 mil in each 2011 AND 2012).
Quit dreaming and come back to reality.
BaseballBuff(usedabufferonmybrain)
September 27th, 2010
3:08 pm
if you look, Livan Hernandez frequently pitches well against the Braves. Last time I checked, Bobby and the coaches weren’t taklng ABs for the players.
ward
September 27th, 2010
3:09 pm
YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE OVER ALL PICTURE! IV;E BEEN A BRAVES FAN SINCE 1983,AND WATCHED JUST ABOUT EVERY GAME ON TBS, AND PROUD OF IT.87 WINS IS BETTER THAN LAST YEAR! GO!!! BRAVES!!!
The Abs Man
September 27th, 2010
3:10 pm
I’m the last guy who wou;d ever defend Cox, the Fredo Corleone late-game tactican ….Cox is so ripe and overdue and should’ve been kicked to the curb many, many seasons ago….
But it seems like his personal side with media cuts him way too many breaks in press, and they take that into account when failing to cal him a boob in print or on internet.
Christopher Chance
September 27th, 2010
3:10 pm
The Abs Man……..I’ve been seeing all these “tribute” articles from former players and coaches who will “fondly” remember when Bobby Cox was patient with a struggling player.
I wonder what his wife would say if she were to “reminisce” the days that Lord Bobby used to play “whack a mole” on her face after a touch loss?
The Abs Man
September 27th, 2010
3:13 pm
Those tributes to Cox tantamount to a funeral….whether someone was an SOB or incompetent numbskull professionally, people send them off with a fairytale kiss…..some of these hollow tributes also sales-pitches for jobs in next Braves’ adminstration.
BaseballBuff
September 27th, 2010
3:13 pm
To BaseballBuff(usedabufferonmybrain). Yet another Cox apologist.
Grow a couple.
Quicherbichin
September 27th, 2010
3:16 pm
Christopher Chance – it happened once. 15 years ago. Since then there have been no reports of any incidents. She stayed married to him. I am sure if if had continued, she would have left. I wonder what people would discover if they looked over your past?
ward
September 27th, 2010
3:16 pm
THE BRAVES WILL BE BETTER NEXT YEAR TOO! FREDDY FREEMAN WILL BE PLAYING A FULL SEASON TOO. I DON;T LOK AT THE NEGATIVES I FOCUS ON THE POSITIVES. GO!!! BRAVES!!!
Christopher Chance
September 27th, 2010
3:17 pm
By the way, if players “love” playing for Bobby Cox so much……WHY THE HECK ARENT THEY PLAYING LIKE IT?
All this talk of “playing so Lord Bobby can go out a winner” is pretty much BS because judging by the way they are playing, it looks like they are trying to get Lord Bobby FIRED.
ward
September 27th, 2010
3:20 pm
I LOVE THE BRAVES LIKE I LOVE BASEBALL. BE POSITIVE, AND GOOD THINGS WILL HAPPEN! SEE YOU LATER! GO!!! BRAVES!!!
Christopher Chance
September 27th, 2010
3:20 pm
The Abs Man……..good point with your 3:13 pm post.
I remember when Ken Lay (the crook who founded Enron and fleeced billions from his employees) passed away, the pastor of his church who did delivered his eulogy ACTUALLY compared Lay’s life to JESUS FREAKING CHRIST.
I guess that donating $10 mil of your fortune that you ripped off from hard working taxpayers will buy you a proper send off.
Christopher Chance
September 27th, 2010
3:25 pm
Quicherbichin……..His wife probably stayed with him because she comes from an older generation of female whose life is tied to being Mrs. Bobby Cox (there are perks that come along with it). If she left his wife beating A$$ (at her age), she’d be faced with the prospect of living the rest of her years a lonely lady (women in their mid-50’s arent exactly prime marriage material).
Anyway, what gets me about the wife beating incident is how Braves management treated the minor league pitcher who was caught with the prostitute.
Kid gets caught with a prostitute, he gets vilified and cut. Lord Bobby goes all Ike Turner on his wife…..he gets praised for winning and a contract extension.
What’s worse, paying to have sex with a prostitute OR beating up your wife?
Billy ( Not Martin)
September 27th, 2010
3:28 pm
CHristopher Chance.. you’re right on.
People who really know baseball, realize Booby is not a manager that makes the right moves in clutch situations.
ALl I can say is 14 division titles 1 championship.
It’s hard to imagine a coach with 14 chances doesn’t at least fall over one more. Booby always says its a crap shoot in the palyoffs.
Really… I don’t think I want a manger witht that kind of attitude.
I sure wouldn;t want to take Bobby to Vegas.
We’d lose for sure.
BaseballBuff
September 27th, 2010
3:30 pm
To Christopher Chance @3:02pm: You seem to have handle on things. I agree totally. Cox’s batting order over the years for the sake of his precious lefty-righty matchups have bordered on insane. He is way too formulaic in almost everything he does. Many times I’ve seen him bench hot hitters in favor of someone hitting .180, just because a southpaw is pitching, or vice versa. And recently starting two rookies against Phillies aces in a huge series was madness. I’m sorry, but it was flat-out crazy.
But most importantly, Cox and his teams are gutless and heartless. I’ve never forgiven him for not having his pitchers throw at Toronto’s Kelly Gruber in the 1992 World Series. Gruber was the 3rd baseman who started tomahawk chopping after catching a pop to end Game 2 in the Jays’ favor. That jerk should have been knocked on his butt his next at bat in Game 3.
Yeah, okay, lots of pent-up hostility here. I love watching the Joe Montanas and Michael Jordans of the sports world. After 14 division titles, 13 of which ended in post-season failure, a clear pattern of underperforming in the big games has emerged. Period!
F Troop
September 27th, 2010
3:32 pm
If the Braves don’t win the Division, blame Frank Wren.
If the Braves don’t make the playoffs, blame Bobby Cox.
Simple.
Christopher Chance
September 27th, 2010
3:36 pm
BaseballBuff…………I’ll never forgive Bobby Cox for mismanaging the 1996 World Series. Not only blowing a 2-0 lead with 3 games at home…but also blowing a 6 run lead in Game 4 was INEXCUSABLE.
5150 P.O.A.D
September 27th, 2010
3:36 pm
Maybe the Phillies will pull their good players for the Braves series to reat them for the Playoffs. Maybe then the Braves can be the wildcard team.
Christopher Chance
September 27th, 2010
3:37 pm
…One of the reasons why this team looks so tired is how they prepare themselves. Because Bobby Cox is so loose in how he manages this team……….these guys pretty much do anything they want.
What I’m saying is that instead of coming into the park early to work on defensive drills and learning how to play fundamental baseball…….these guys are more concerned with having a “jolly” clubhouse.
Quicherbichin
September 27th, 2010
3:38 pm
Christopher Chance – Times were different in 1995 as opposed to 2010. People get fired for things now that you could get away with then. JFK did more than Clinton ever thought about. JFK is admired while Clinton is vilified.Booby (not Martin) Bobby should have won at least one more anyway. The Twins got away with things in that Series that I haven’t seen before or since. Someone should have noticed them messing with the air conditioning during that Series as well. in 1996, the umpire gave the Yankees an extra out in the inning by staying in the path of Jermaine Dye on a catchable ball in foul territory. That type play can turn a series. In 1997 , Eric Gregg was calling strikes on Braves hitters that were strikes ” because the pitch originated in Florida”.
Christopher Chance
September 27th, 2010
3:41 pm
Quicherbichin………….Are you Bobby Cox’s public relations man? How much is Lord Bobby paying you to be his fluffer?
Christopher Chance
September 27th, 2010
3:42 pm
,,,I’d be willing to say that this group of players looks like the kind that loves to go out and drink lots of alcohol every night. If they are as tired as they say they are, then they need to get plenty of rest and take care of their bodies.
WonderDawg
September 27th, 2010
3:42 pm
Mark, what “quirk?”
Haven’t the Phillies got their “big three” lined up for us again?
Christopher Chance
September 27th, 2010
3:43 pm
Pay attention to how BL0ATED the faces of Chipper Jones, Eric Hinske and ESPECIALLY Peter Moylan are. I feel that these are signs that our players are more concerned with having a “jolly” time…than they are with getting proper rest.
BaseballBuff (Iusedabufferonmybrain)
September 27th, 2010
3:44 pm
I supposed you’d rather have started Johnny Wholestaff one game and Kenshin Kawakami in the next against the Phillies.Bobby frequently goes with the hot hand rather than using a formulaic approach. Submit your resume to the Braves front office. I’m sure you’ll get hired if you have Booby (not Martin), Christopher Chance, Mitchell and The Abs Man for your coaching staff.
Quicherbichin
September 27th, 2010
3:46 pm
Christopher Chance I’m not getting a dime. And how much are the Tampax people paying you to come here and complain?
Texas Frenchy
September 27th, 2010
3:46 pm
Queeryerbichin, Fredis coming here so learn to like it, you couldnt even be water boy for him so STFU you donkey, maybe you can go help Booby on his farm since your a dumb azz donkey!! lmao Heeeeeeeeee Haaaaaaaaaaaaaww Go Bravos!!!!!!!!!!
Christopher Chance
September 27th, 2010
3:49 pm
The Braves have hit 13 homers in the month of September. Troy Tulowitzki has hit 15 homers for the Rockies this month.
Enough said.
Lobosolo
September 27th, 2010
3:51 pm
Thank God when all of this is over you a-hole fans will have to find somewhere else to spout your “knowledge”… You lemmings, even convinced that the Braves were toast at the beginning of the month and blathering about how much you hate the team and its players, are STILL on the blogs. Now, who are the REAL IDIOTS? You sorry jerks don’t even know when to quit commenting on a team you hate and have long since given up on… MAROOOOONNNNSSSSSS….
Christopher Chance
September 27th, 2010
3:54 pm
Of the 6 teams competing for 4 play-off spots, the Padres have committed 68 errors, the Giants and Cincinnati 71, Philly 80, Colorado 89…………and the Braves at 120.
WOW! The Rockies (the second worst fielding team among the play-off contenders), who have committed 89 errors, are closer to the Padres (21 less errors than the Rockies) then they are to us (who have committed 31 errors than the Rockies).
Quicherbichin
September 27th, 2010
3:55 pm
Texas Frenchy – I never said I had a problem with Fredi coming here. I’m just surprised that so much of the anti-Cox faction seems to favor his being hired as the manager since he and Bobby have simililar managerial characteristics. Personally, I think it will be good if he comes here because then the bitchers can be happy since they love to complain anyway. I swear if we went 150-12 , people would fine a way to complain because we didn’t go 162-0. And if we lost 1 in the playoffs, they’d complain because we didn’t sweep. I’m surprised that they aren’t complaining because they can’t go home with a sample of dirt from the pitcher’s mound or batter’s box, but then wait.. they’d have to go to the games to do that.. and they wouldn’t dream of going to Turner Field when they can sit at home and watch the game and scream about how they would have done things differently if they were managing.
Quicherbichin
September 27th, 2010
3:58 pm
Christopher Chance – I guess it’s also Bobby’s fault that the 2 that McClouth hit and the one that Ankiel hit that were caught didn’t leave the park as well. And as far as Tulowitski goes.. Two words.. Coors Field- Nuff Said
Christopher Chance
September 27th, 2010
3:58 pm
Lobosolo…….dude, we dont hate the Braves. What we HATE is the fact that our record this month is 10-14, DESPITE playing inferior competition. What we HATE is the fact that our manager continues to blame our losing to “line drives not falling in for base hits”………when the FACTS say that we are a POORLY COACHED TEAM.
How else do you explain why we are unable to play proper defense, bunt runners over, hit and run, move runners over, hit a sacrifice fly, not airmail balls into center field, not hit the cut off man, not lead the league in runners left on base, not run ourselves out of innings, etc?
How hard is that for MORONS like you to freaking understand?
Christopher Chance
September 27th, 2010
4:06 pm
Quicherbichin…………Tulowitski still has hit 5 of his 15 homers on the road this month……which would still lead the Braves (McLouth leads the Braves with 3 homers in September).
Tyler Langmeyer
September 27th, 2010
4:18 pm
Christopher Chance: After everything you’ve been arguing with other people about while I’ve been in class, would it be smart for me to assume that you want the Braves to win on this homestand?
FYI, if you say no, please…choose another team to “root” for.
Billy ( Not Martin)
September 27th, 2010
4:32 pm
Quicherbichin
WOW.. I didn’t know therer was such a conspiracy against the Booby and his Braves. Seems like evryone else doesn’t have these problems.
If Bobby’s so nice they should just give him the title because of all the wrong they’ve done him.
I remmember how he would sit a hot hitting Javy in the Playoffs because Maddox had his own personal catcher. Or platoon Ryan Klesko for years because he did.nt think he could hit lefty’s. He sure did hit them with Sandiego. Great Manager!!!
Trey
September 27th, 2010
4:34 pm
What’s up Braves fans? It must be peaceful as I haven’t seen the Phillies on the blog lately. Thank goodness!
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tardawg
September 27th, 2010
4:48 pm
HEY MARK DO US ALL A FAVOR IF YOU GET A CHANCE TO TALK TO BOBBY ASK WHY WE HAVE NOT BEEN TRYING TO BUNT PLAYERS OVER PLAY SMALL BALL.MAYBE THIS WILL WAKE UP OUR OFFENSE THANKS.
Faith
September 27th, 2010
4:49 pm
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tardawg
September 27th, 2010
4:49 pm
Heres hoping we end the season big for a great manager he will be missed I am amazed we have done as well with what we have
44ty
September 27th, 2010
4:50 pm
Hey “if you keep on doing what you’ve always done, you will always be where you’ve always been!” (Bill Puvis, cascade hills, columbus ga.)
Bobby I hope you read this…this is YOU! Take a chance and try something diff…YOU OWE THE FANS THAT MUCH THAT HAS SUFFERED THROUGH YOU HARD HEADED WAS OF RUNNING THE TEAM!
44ty
September 27th, 2010
4:51 pm
BOBBY YOU OWE THE FANS! SHAKE THINGS UP! YOU GOT ONE WEEK!
freddys Dead
September 27th, 2010
4:52 pm
And the Braves aren’t far behind.
Bill
September 27th, 2010
4:52 pm
Mark do you think Phillies will play the subs in final 3 games? That would not be fair to other teams. Never like teams doing that.
44ty
September 27th, 2010
4:55 pm
HEY BILLY nOT MARTIN…I ECHO YOU WORDS PRECISELY! YA KNOW , AS BAD AS mCLOUSY HAS BEEN, HE HAD A GOOD WEEK LEADING INTO GAME 1 W/ PHILLIES BUT, BOOBY SAT HIM OUT FOR SOMEONE ELSE TO PLATOON….AT THE TIME , THAT WAS NOT SWAMP WISE!
bulldog bubba
September 27th, 2010
5:01 pm
Trey – I heard Phillie,THE CLASSLESS WONDER was grounded by his mother for getting caught on the field with that red suit on.Some people never learn.GO BRAVES!!!
Bowlegs
September 27th, 2010
5:03 pm
theguy in red suit was bobo
theriddler
September 27th, 2010
5:08 pm
Never would have believed many many months ago that the Braves would have a shot. Stink or not I’m all in right now. We gotta see Cox in another playoff series. Memories.
Sonny Clusters for Gov.
johnny
September 27th, 2010
5:10 pm
The Braves have a ton of faults, you can blame Cox, Wren or anybody hitting with runners in scoring position. I say @&!$ you Jobu, we do it ourselves. To hell with what’s happened up to this point. Half game out with six to go. Considering the way we’ve played we should be lucky to be still in it but like I said forget about it and play your arse off now.
Appalachia Brave
September 27th, 2010
5:14 pm
What one must understand about the Braves/Liberty organization is that they are all buddies….I bet they get together and play poker on road trips and laugh all the way to the bank on your $100 ticket! Cox, Wren,and all the good ‘ol boys are probably ready for GOLF season in Florida anyway and we’re all sitting here fussing cause they choked going down the stretch……Laugh it up boys cause one of these days I’m gonna get a real life and quit watching crappy baseball!
Christopher Chance
September 27th, 2010
5:32 pm
Tyler Langmeyer…….dude, of course I want to see the Braves win the home stand. I want to see them win EVERY GAME they play, lol.
I know that errors are part of the game. I recognize that you cant play your best every night out there.
However, what I dont except is playing like you’ve never been coached, which is what our guys have been showing.
Our pitching is really good enough to compensate for the fact that we dont hit for a lot of power or steal a lot of bases. What it cant compensate for is not doing the little things it take to scratch out runs….nor can it get around sloppy defense and bad base running.
Christopher Chance
September 27th, 2010
5:34 pm
….Tyler Langmeyer…….dude, of course I want to see the Braves win the home stand. I want to see them win EVERY GAME they play, lol.
I know that errors are part of the game. I recognize that you cant play your best every night out there.
SR
September 27th, 2010
5:34 pm
This is one of many frustrating things about Wren, Cox etc. Here is the translation of the following statement, “Lowe and Huddy will start on 3 days rest”, “See , we’re idiots for telling you and everybody else that Mike Minor was our best option. Course, we said the same thing about Jordan Schaefer. And Nate McLouth. And Derrick Lee. And Troy Glaus. And Melky Cabrera. And Rick Ankiel”…….. Lord, please shut the hell up and go away. Quickly.
Lame Duck
September 27th, 2010
5:35 pm
If Wren uses the same criteria in selecting a new manager as he uses to select new players we will get a washed up, over the hill manager who no other team wants. Maybe he’ll change because he hasn’t many chances left.
Christopher Chance
September 27th, 2010
5:37 pm
Bill…..concerning your 4:52pm post, the Phillies have EARNED the right to rest their players. By the time they play us this weekend, they will have clinched the best record in the National League (meaning they will have home field throughout the play-offs).
If the other teams didnt want to be put in a position to depend on the Philies to beat the Braves to help their play-off chances…..then they should have played well enough during the season to not be in a position of having to depend on the Phillies.
Kind of like how we were depending on teams to beat the Rockies late in 2009. If we had played better in the first half of 2009, we wouldnt have needed help.
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Bushwacker
September 27th, 2010
6:28 pm
MB,
Since no one can deny we are about 6 games under 500 since the All Star break after all the CHANGES TO A FIRST PLACE TEAM plaing Ankiel, Lee and McLouth.
And no one can also deny we were 22 GAMES OVER 500 at the Break playing Glaus, Hinske and Diaz and you said it yourself TALENT IS THE PROBLEM .
Why will Bobby at least let THE PLAYERS WHO HELPED GET THEM TO FIST PLACE try and help them get us in the playoffs..
I’ve been in ATL since 1965 and have never seen anything like what happened this year, ruining a first place team.
You think we’re lucky because SD and SF play each other?
Correct me if I’m wrong but don’t we finish with Philly who we’ve lost 6 in a row to and put up very little fight at all.
I thought Bobby was a players mgr, where is the LOYALTY TO THE GUYS WHO GOT YOU TO FIRST!
jerry
September 27th, 2010
6:35 pm
Since when does it matter what pitcher they face? They have already shown they can lose to anybody.
kkong
September 27th, 2010
6:36 pm
Hey, Bobby…you did the best that you could under the circumstances. You just didn’t have the right players to get the job done. Thanks for everything.
Christopher Chance
September 27th, 2010
6:38 pm
jerry…..totally agree withyour 6:35pm post. We make BUMS look like Cy Young candidates. It doesnt matter who the Phillies put out there. We’re just as likely to make Rick Mahler look like Roy Halladay.
jerry
September 27th, 2010
6:38 pm
Who will be the last player that Bobby hollers at from the dugout? Like him or not he will be missed.
Christopher Chance
September 27th, 2010
6:40 pm
kkong………Bobby Cox DID NOT do the best he could. For instance, he could have actually taken the time to teach these guys how to play fundamental baseball.
He could have arranged his rotation so our best faces Philly’s best.
He could have called out some of these guys publicly who cant run the bases right or field the freaking ball.
Just a small example of what Lord Bobby could have done better as manager.
Jim Mora
September 27th, 2010
6:41 pm
Playoffs?
Christopher Chance
September 27th, 2010
6:42 pm
jerry………….what matters is that it will be the LAST player that Bobby Cox yells at (meaning that we’ll have a new manager in 2011).
Whoever it is, I hope that Frank Wren hires a manager whose more concerned with WINNING….than with being a “player’s manager”.
Christopher Chance
September 27th, 2010
7:25 pm
I just found out that the Braves are going to pitch both Hudson and Lowe on 3 days rest the rest of the season.
I can FINALLY say that I agree with Bobby Cox on something, lol. Because of the predicament that we’re in….the SMART move is to have Hudson AND Lowe start 4 of the final 6 games (Hudson on Tuesday, Lowe on Wednesday……Hudson on Saturday, Lowe on Sunday).
What that means is that depending on how much Hanson is used today…….Lord Bobby can either come back with Hanson on Friday (3 days rest)……or use either Jurrjens/Beach/Minor combo on Friday…..and have Hanson available to pitch in short relief if Hudson or Lowe falters on Saturday or Sunday.
Another option would be for Bobby to come back with Hanson on Saturday (meaning he’d be pitching on his regular 4 days of rest) and have Hudson on Sunday (with Lowe available to pitch in short relief should Hudson falter on Sunday).
The point is that by announcing that Lowe and Hudson will be available to start 4 of the final 6 games of the season…..Lord Bobby is stating that these are MUST WIN GAMES and that he’s willing to do what it takes to put our guys in position to win.
Maybe, just maybe……our guys will FINALLY get the sense of urgency that this time of year is….and start playing the kind of ball it takes to get into the play-offs.
I like this move. The day off on Thursday gives the Braves more flexibility to make a move like this.
BravesTeach
September 28th, 2010
6:19 am
Mark: I like Keith’s idea from 10:04 yesterday morning!!
Off to school now…..been up almost 2 hours after not going to sleep until the Cubs finished the Padres….BUT…..Let’s go Braves!!!!!
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October 2nd, 2010
7:40 pm
What will Bobby Cox remember about Bobby Coox Day? He’ll remember getting slammed and dominated and SKUNKED by the Phil’s BACKUPS and BENCH. That’s right…with everything on the line for your guys and NOTHING on the line for ours and none of our players even playing and our manager not even PLAYING TO WIN THE GAME, the Phillies absolutely OWN Cox and his bunch of losers! Hahahahah…love it! We’re making Bobby Cox Day an ANNUAL HOLIDAY in PHILLY! Bye-bye Braves! You know you don’t belong. So does Bobby Cox. That’s why he’s QUITTING you!
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