The debate begins: Does Boise belong in BCS title game?

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NOPE

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zilch

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Yes, if you want a playoff system in place…let Boise win a championship or two. I guarantee the university presidents put one in place quick.

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Tech has a better chance at representation in the BCS…. and they have nothing.

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No, this was their “non-conference/conference” championship until the BCS… People complain about many of the D-1 powerhouse programs weak OOC schedules… look at Boise’s conference schedule and tell me who has a weaker schedule. It’s a cakewalk to the end of the season for the Broncos from here on out and they just ruined ALOT of teams chances at the BCS tonight after the first game of the season… lame.

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From a retweet from a @RealMikeSilver follower:

taniaganguli If a 3rd-ranked Florida (or any “major” program) needs a 2-minute drill to beat the No. 10 team, does brent musburger call them courageous?

NO. NO. And NO.

Mark, this team deserves NOTHING.

If this were a playoff, then fine, let them in.

But when there’s ONLY TWO SPOTS… then they NEVER deserve one of the spots.

Because they DON’T play in the SEC or Big-12 or even the Pac-10.

Common sense MUST prevail here.

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So, Boise has beat VT, who will likely be at the top of the ACC. If they finish undefeated, they will have beat OSU, (top of the PAC-10) and Fresno State, who beat Cincy (top of the Big East). So thy will have proved themselves over 3 of the AQ conferences. Enough of this strength of schedule B S. Yes, they go undefeated, they deserve to play in the NC. I guess they could play in a joke conference like the one whose team lost to FCS Jacksonville. Wait that is the all powerful SEC, they can do no wrong…

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They have a potential Heisman at quarterback and have tons of speed, and scored 33 on a VT defense, regardless of how inexperienced. Let them play.

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Great win by Boise but including tonight’s win Boise is 5-3 since 2005 against BCS conference opponents.

If they played in a BCS conference such as the SEC or ACC they would likely mirror an 8 game conference record with the same 5-3 record that they’ve had against bcs conference foes since 2005. That is clearly not good enough to be in a national title game for a bcs conference team. It also doesn’t take into account that a bcs conference team not only plays a rugged 8 game schedule but usually has at least one high profile non conference game each year which makes for a rugged 9 game slate. .

Boise this year will have essentially a 2 game schedule with VT tonight and 24th ranked Oregon State. No way should an undefeated Boise team get in over a 1 loss bcs conference team like an Alabama, Ohio State, Florida, Texas, etc.

Unless Boise plays 5-6 reasonably good teams as in top 30 and bowl bound there is simply no comparison whatsoever in navigating the cupcakes of the WAC as opposed to navigating the minefields of the SEC, ACC, BIG 10, etc.

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If Boise played in a BCS conference such as the SEC or ACC they would likely mirror an 8 game conference record with the same 5-3 record that they’ve had against bcs conference foes since 2005. That is clearly not good enough to be in a national title game for a bcs conference team. It also doesn’t take into account that a bcs conference team not only plays a rugged 8 game schedule but usually has at least one high profile non conference game each year which makes for a rugged 9 game slate. .

Boise this year will have essentially a 2 game schedule with VT tonight and 24th ranked Oregon State. No way should an undefeated Boise team get in over a 1 loss bcs conference team like an Alabama, Ohio State, Florida, Texas, etc.

Unless Boise plays 5-6 reasonably good teams as in top 30 and bowl bound there is simply no comparison whatsoever in navigating the cupcakes of the WAC as opposed to navigating the minefields of the SEC, ACC, BIG 10, etc.

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Yes, Boise State deserves to be in the BCS championship game. They cannot be blamed for the absolutely ridiculous system set up to determine a national champion in college football. If they do everything asked of them this season after doing everything asked of them last season, yes they deserve to play for the championship.

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Boise has essentially a 2 game slate with VT and then 24th ranked Oregon State. In no way, shape, or form is that comparable to navigating an 8 game sec slate plus 1 tough non conference game that a typical SEC or ACC team plays.

When Boise plays 5-6 teams that are comparable to what a bcs conference team would see in one season then and only then do they get to play for the national title.

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Let’s be thankful the DAWGS don’t have to play Boise State/Tulsa/ECU!

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How good did Boise St. look when they played UGA and Shockley in ‘05….51-7

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well, most people are going back 4 years to find where Boise beat quality opponents. Why can’t a UGA fan go back 5?

I will admit that I don’t read EVERY college football related article but I haven’t seen anyone put VT at the top of the ACC. Most people put Miami that I have read. This team did not beat the 05 longhorns, or the 09 longhorns for that matter.

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Mike,

Wow… you ASSumed a whole heck of a lot there.

Oregon State is the best of the Pac-10??? Really? I think OREGON might disagree with you.

Cincinnati is the best of the Big East??? Really? I think WVU might disagree with you.

VATech is the best of the ACC??? Really? I think Miami, GATech, FSU, or a fully-staffed UNC might disagree with you.

You know what they say about ASSuming, don’t you, Mike?

It means you don’t know a damn thing about college football, that’s what they say.

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yes, cancel the rest of the season and go straight to the title game, it will be anarchy….

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I’m going off of where they are projected to finish. How do you know the SEC is going to be so good this year?

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Just going out on a limb here… when is the SEC NOT the best conference or at least in debate for the top spot? It’s like death and taxes…

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Paul in RDU,

My point in going back 5 years is that in that span Boise is only 5-3 against bcs conference teams including tonight’s win. That’s good but not all that impressive. It would be just like and better than average SEC or ACC team going 5-3 in conference. And 5-3 in conference will not get you anywhere near a bcs title. Getting up for and winning a big game here and there is all fine and dandy but do you or anyone else on here really think Boise would go 9-0 through a pac 10 slate or 8-1 or 9-0 through an sec or acc or big 10 slate. No way. They would be a good but not great team that would finish anywhere from 7-5 on the low end to 10-2 on the very high end with a likely finish of 8-4 or 9-3 in the sec, acc, big 10, or big 12.

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Do they deserve a chance, yes. Do they deserve it based on tonight’s performance? No. They didn’t really do anything impressive. It was all Hokies out there. Hokies making big time mistakes early and spotting them 17. BSU should’ve sunk their teeth in and ran away with it. Instead they sat and folded, while VT made an amazing comeback. They only won because of terrible officiating at the end (can anyone say block in the back)? Even the announcers were stating how obvious the call was. So what if he turned sideways AFTER he was hit. The impact was still in the back. Late hit out of bounds? How about late whistle which made VT player think the play was still active. Terrible. Simply terrible. To be honest, VT deserved to win that game based on both team’s performance. Lucky for BSU, life’s not fair and VT loses the big games. So enjoy this victory BSU, because you hardly earned it. All things equal, VT won 23-9. But, if we look at VT history, big teams beating VT early go on to win National Championships (see USC 2004, LSU 2007, Alabama 2009). A lot to live up to and realistically speaking, a cake schedule the rest of the way. Granted your strength of schedule doesn’t take you out, you should have a solid bid for the #1 spot.

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Only if they go undefeated and there is no undefeated Bowl Championship conference teams, due to their creampuff schedule. Now if there was a 8 or 16 game playoff, they definitely would deserve to play their way in against the major conference teams that play much tougher schedules.

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Mike,

Its possible VT could win the acc but with 2 or more losses most likely. All Boise did was do what at least 1 or 2 other acc teams will do and beat VT. As for Oregon State I don’t know anyone picking them to win the pac 10. And Fresno? A decent team longer term but they’ve slipped lately.

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Clutchcoale,

You must be watching a whole different game. replay clearly and definitively showed the boise player blocked the vt player in the side. It wasn’t even close. You just saw what you wanted to see.

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Whether or not they deserve it, they won’t be playing there. The computers KILL them in the BCS ratings.

Just to give you an idea, here’s the computer ratings from last year:

1. Bama 1.000
2. Texas .9206
3. Boise State .780

Their S[sic]oS will hurt them in the computers, not to mention the writers will have a natural bias to put in a big one loss team (Bama, Penn State, tOSU) over an undefeated BS-U.

VPI is the only ranked team they will play this year (Oregon St won’t be ranked when they meet), and if VPI goes on to lose 2-3 more, that makes this victory even less of a deal.

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Oklahoma.. a great example. What is their BCS record as of late? And Boise wasn’t the program in ‘07 that they are now in ‘10… they aren’t sneaking up on anybody now. Great win though (in all seriousness), but this is getting out of hand if one team can fairly certain mail in a BCS title game ticket after the first game of the year.

Boise could’ve just eliminated dozens of programs tonight from the BCS title after one game… I don’t really consider tonight an upset, but Boise’s OOC schedule should be 4 big time schools every year. Not just one and a half to make up for their WAC stretch.

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Clutchcoale,

Again we must be watching 2 different games. In the game I was watching Boise was whistled for 11 penalties for 105 yds or more and many of those were questionable. I saw a couple of blatant VT holds that weren’t called including an O-lineman practically tackling a d-lineman for Boise.

Facts are facts and Boise was penalized far more than VT. Just look up the frequency and severity of penalties in the box score. The numbers don’t lie

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That Boise State celebrated like it just won a bowl game after a close first game victory says it all. If Bama beats Penn State, do you expect to see them celebrating an automatic berth in the title game?… Hardly. At the risk of stating the obvious, that’s because they have to get ready to kick it off against an SEC schedule and then win a conference championship game against a then proven top 5 team. Playing a respectable conference schedule means that on any given Saturday, the underdog can win. You can’t say that about Boise State. On top of that, how about throwing in the dynamics of a border rivalry or two. How many times has Mr. Bradley written “Its GA/GT…throw out the records”. Bama/Aub, GA/FL, GA/GT, FSU/FL. Boise plays who, Washington, Oregon, Utah from its neighbors? One could go on and on. An answer like “absolutely” says a lot about the credibility of local media.

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Decided on the field against the WAC… and 1.5 good teams in the OOC… meh, give me a 1-loss superconference team that “decided it on the field” every weekend for the most part and didn’t run circles around a bunch of junior varsity teams out west.

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I tend to agree with CC, although not as vehemently. I guess we did watch a different game. I saw a team that lost a game, not one that won it.

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For the record that UGA vs BSU score in 2005 was 48-13.

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if i had magical powers ohio state would cease to exist….

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Absolutely NOT!

A joke of a schedule with 2 legit games. Put BAMA or FLA or any mid to upper tier SEC team in the WAC and they will no doubt RUN that schedule.

Sorry Boise, you caught a break by beating a rusty VaTech team today. That’s it! Nothing more. Take your victory and go back to farm some potatoes.

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Great win!! Screw the BCS…. THANK U … Boise State for helping BUST the BCS and push us closer to a playoff system!! ONLY THEN will college football rank among the Real sports in America, with a REAL Champion!

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if the bad news bears can play in the astrodome, the boise state potato skins can play in the bcs title game, let them play!

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The same people on here that think Boise would have NO chance against Alabama are the same ones who thought New Orleans had NO shot against Indy, or the Falcons had no shot against Minnesota in the NFC title game!
Sports are about COMPETITION…. ANYTHING can happen in sports… its what makes it great!
All you Boise haters are selfish fans, if you were TRUE athletes like i was you would love competition, and realize anything that helps push the BCS towards a playoff is for the best!
But thats right, you dont care about competition, you care about how many beers you can chug before halftime, and watching your team go to a meaningless whogivesasht.com Bowl.
I mean who cares about watching a REAL champion crowned when you can instead watch a bunch of .500 teams play a meaningless exhibition!
You chumps are falling into the loser mindset the greedy BCS presidents want you to have. They dont care about the fans, or the athletes, only the bottom line.

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@TV Replay… I’ve seen calls that were not even close to a block in the back stand. Many times. This one was close enough to stand and in my opinion should have. BSU got a lot of freebies tonight. VT should’ve won the game, bottom line. We have a nickname for us, the Chokies, and for a reason. But back to the point, I think BSU should have a shot at the championship game. Most teams are afraid to play BSU right now and prefer to play teams like San Jose State, Marshall, Rice or Miami(OH). Yes, cupcake teams. I’m glad VT gave BSU the opportunity, as we were once the little guys and other teams gave us a chance. 2001was a great year… but, until BSU can get a stronger schedule the best they can do is keep winning out. The big conferences have it easier; they can sit on their perch and say you’re not in a power conference. I much prefer a playoff to even the playing field so bigger teams can’t hide behind their conference. BCS wins in 2006 and 2009 show what they’re capable of. It’s a shame last year they got stuck playing TCU and not a bigger team (perhaps Alabama?). Problem is automatic bids. Just make it a playoff and no excuses. Everyone will still make their millions of dollars and we can stop seeing the same handful of teams every year… teams in big conferences will get more money to keep this system in place while the little guys lose out in the big payoffs and their programs stall. Share the wealth. But really, votes can determine a playing field, but shouldn’t determine who goes to the championship game. Imagine if they did that in any other sport. College football, and specifically Div 1 college football, is one of the only sports in the world that gets a #1/#2 matchup based on votes and not via a playoff. Anyway yea. Go Hokies! Go Broncos!

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Texas has 12 games – 7 @ home, 2 @ neutral locations, 3 away.

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Lake Dawg…BSU is a damn good team…are they 3? Too early to tell but they practically returned the entire starting team from last years undefeated BCS game team. I give them credit for having the nads to play a big first game and not some cupcake D2 school for their suspension/warm-up game. Not to mention that they flew across country to play in someone else s back yard.

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Tide nobody denies that BSU plays a weak conference schedule. They simply do what is required of them and that is to beat everyone they play. Ask yourself an honest question. Would you want Bama traveling to Boise in November?

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Golden Rules!,

I would rather travel to Boise in December to play them and play 1 other decent team all year then play our current sec schedule which includes Florida this year and play Penn State on top of all that. And 30,000 Boise fans doesn’t intimidate us if 92,000 LSU fans don’t.

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I’m out but Golden Rules hopefully you will understand my point. I like Boise more than you know and they are one of my favorite teams to watch and my favorite to bet on. But its just flat out not fair that a team that essentially plays 2 tough games in a year could get in the bcs title game over a 1 loss bcs time like us.

As an example we played and beat 10 bowl teams last year and 10 teams that finished with winning records. Does any rational person believe that last year’s Boise team would have defeated 10 bowl teams including the #1 team Florida and #2 team Texas? Seriously?

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All this win does is make the case for a playoff system – they will win their conference in a convincing way, Alabama will likely as well. From a conference stand point the WAC like the SEC has a good team, some improving teams, and a bunch of so-so teams — yes including the SEC. The conference winners should play in a playofff system at the end of the season to determine a champion.

Another point if these college teams had four pre-season games like the pros then these first games would not be so painful to watch. To this give Boise credit for preparation and timing – their experience and returning starters gave them an edge last night over VTech

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Sorry for two comments, Mark, but I also love the comments from these folks who want to hold Boise State’s conference against them. If Boise State is such a dog team, why not invite them to join your favorite team’s league?

How quickly people forget Boise State vs. Oklahoma in the Fiesta Bowl, Utah vs. Alabama in the Fiesta Bowl and several other examples.

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I just have one comment, because I live in D.C. and I typed in Boise St. into google and got ajc. Just one comment. If you think that this game was at anything but a home game for VT then you are stupid. I live in D.C.and VT is one of the major schools in the area especially at any tech workplace, like Northern VA. Really, if you’re from VA, you can get to FedEx on the DC metro system. Its like a 30 minute Metro ride, for like 5 bucks. I went to MD (who play in the same county as FedEx) and we got overran by VT fans every year, making our on poor excuse for a stadium into a VT satellite field, so this was no surprise.

That’s all.

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Yes- It would also be nice to see the Crimson Tide travel more than bus ride
away from their university to play competitive teams. At least BSU travels
outside of their geographical area to challenge competitors. I wonder if the
Crimson Tide would be playing the Nittany Lions if the game was in Happy
Valley. I respect Tennessee, and Georgia, because they will travel outside
of the SEC boundaries to play (Respect Florida also).

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Does the AJC hate America and traditional conservative values?

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@Dave_Bliss … it was 48-13 in 2005 … but that was five freakin’ years ago when UGA had arguably the best team it had under Richt … and Boise State was just beginning to get going on the national scene consistently.

But absolutely if it goes undefeated does Boise State deserve to play in the BCS’ MNCG … I agree with you, Mark. All the nuts on here are going to say that they don’t play the SEC’s schedule. Neither does Texas. Neither does Ohio State. And frankly, who’s afraid of the SEC any more? The worst team in FBS last year had the Gators nervous and held them to 25 yards of offense for 3 quarters. And Ole Miss lost to FCS Jax State? Seriously? Jax State? And you’re chest thumping about how tough the SEC is?

Boise State is doing all it can under the current system, which any rational person would want to see obliterated like the Death Star. Anything to get us closer to a playoff … I’m all for it!

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100%, absolutely yes. If they go undefeated and get held out of the game then college football really is the sham that we thought it was and congress should do something about it. Keeping them out again would be them basically telling alot of FBS schools that you have no chance to win a championship no matter what you do or how good you are. You are playing games for no reason.

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I think there is one point that people are missing. Boise State gets 2-3 start recruits. They don’t have the MILLIONS, again MILLIONS of dollars within their budget like SEC or BIG 10 schools. The issue here is about money. BSU has shown that they can play big schools, but they can also play with the kids that big schools didn’t even think about recruiting. They play with kids from the same recruiting groups as all the other WAC teams; however, they play the big games in the end. They beat the parody of their conference in terms of quality and they beat the schools who should “technically” win. If Peterson had the resources that an SEC, BIG10, or PAC10 team had EVERY SINGLE YEAR imagine what they could do then? In the end I think the Feds (I can’t believe I am saying this) need to break up the cartel… I mean University Presidents club and allow teams AND conferences a chance to play for the big time. Although I do love tradition I would rather see kids have a chance at going all the way including the kids that Bama (who get their butts handed to them two years ago by a non-BCS Utah) didn’t want anything to do with.

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Mark: Why are you awarding the Big10 championship to Ohio State
before any games are played? A couple of other good teams play in the
Big10 (as you well know) Iowa/Wisconsin??

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Boise State would play anyone in the country. It’s not their fault that other teams are scared. There are plenty of teams around the country that could have adjusted their schedules to fit in Boise State, but they know they’ll lose. And they don’t want to break up the monopoly of the BCS conferences. If Boise State goes undefeated and doesn’t get in the championship game, then the BCS should be investigate, because it’s promoting a monopoly, which in this country is illegal.

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Great game last night – very impressed with BSU.

But don’t they have several more games (some might say a whole season even) to win before we can have this conversation? Sure it’s a cupcake schedule but anything can happen. Let’s not put the cart before the horse.

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All the debate doesnt matter now. Boise will be playing TCU ( again ) for the BS National Championship in Glendale. Go ahead and book it.

By the way, the arena football league called VT last night- they want their uniforms back.

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VIirginia Tech is a cupcake.

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Some people say Boise State being in the BCS Title game proves a playoff is needed. Others say them not being in the BCS Title game proves a playoff system is needed.

I don’t know which it is, but I do know Boise State is one hell of a football program, and have shown more often than not when paired up against a strong team they can win. If they do in fact go undefeated in 2010, they deserve the chance to finally – after four consecutive unbeaten regular seasons – show what they can do against the big dogs in the game for all the marbles.

Further, if they win that title, and the powers-that-be scramble and put a playoff system in place by 2011 in a state of panic, I hope Boise State wins that one, too. Then maybe we could talk about how good this program is instead of finding reasons to debunk their success.

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I don’t think Boise State should be criticized for its Conference schedule, it is what it is. Where I think they should be “hammered” in the polls is their non-conference schedule cream puffs of Toledo and Wyoming. If Boise State wants to play with the Big Boys for a national championship, they need to play more top 25 programs which they could do. If you are a Bama or Ohio State, scheduling Toledo is OK. If you are Boise State, its not.

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It’s a little early to say yes or no. VT could end up being 7-5. Does that make the win impressive? If VT goes 12-1, then yes, it was impressive. Lots of football still to be played. Let’s not put them in the BCSCG game just yet. There are about 25 other teams that would like to have their say, as well. Some much more deserving if they finish unbeaten.

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Why do the SEC teams and other top conferences have to play 5-6 top teams a year to be considered– and teams like Boise and TCU only have to get by one or two teams– to play in the big game? Maybe Georgia (or Alabama or Florida, etc.) should go independent and play Virginia Tech or Oregon State, then demand to be in the BCS title game!

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Boise State is just reason #377 as to why there should be a playoff system. At the end of the year if you have an Ohio State, Alabama, and throw in a Florida and lets sday Oregon with no losses or one defeat, how do you put Boise in Arizona? After last night who do they play and how do they match the schedules of the four teams I mentioned? I think Boise State could play with any of the 4 teams on this post but, their schedule says they won’t get there. A PLAYOFF SYSTEM would fix everything.

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First of all, VaTech, STOP signing up for these Nat TV showcase season opener games–your record in these scenarios is abysmal! Beamer may be a good coach on some levels, but in the ever important ‘ready to play’ category of preparedness, nope. Never even close.

Second of all, two-thirds of the SEC (and maybe even Auburn or the Orange Killbillies) could be undefeated with Boise State’s schedule. We all know that. Hanah Montana U? Why-Oh-Ming? Seriously? Who’s next, the staff at PETA? Com’on! Why in the heck do they use a computer anyway? it’s to inject objectivity–and that rejects Boise State as a contender.

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No way. I am sorry as I do like the Broncos and follow them but it is called strength of schedule and they have never had that. I love seeing them beat BCS teams and humble some programs but to be able to do that week in and week out I don’t see it happening. This years team is by far the most complete team but not a BCS champion caliper team. This year I don’t think any BCS conference champion will be undefeated so If the Broncos run the table it will be fun hearing all the moaning from the BCS, but in the end strength of schedule will override a perfect record. The best I can see for them is a final ranking of 2nd. Here is a thought. With all the realignments going on why not petition to enter the Pac 10 or Big 12 ?

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Whether you like them or not, that was a big win for Boise St last night. Tough loss for Va Tech.

There is a too much football left to assume the Broncos will run the table.

However if they do go unbeaten, and if there is only one undefeated BCS conference school, I believe they will be in the title game.

I think it is fair to assume that they would not have the success they have had if they were in the Big 10 or SEC. Yet, you have to give them kudos as they do win.

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Absolutely they deserve a chance. Everyone can speculate on nineteen different scenarios, but until it’s done on the field, all arguments are moot. And Boise is more than doing it on the field. The naysayers can all ‘predict’ what would happen if they played in the SEC (and I am a big SEC fan), but for instance, who would have predicted several years ago that Alabama would lose to UL Monroe? Sure, the Tide is the best thing going now, but unless that game took place on the field, ULM would never have gotten the chance to prove it. And there lies the crux of the matter, Boise deserves the chance to prove they belong. If there’s ever been the perfect time to graduate past all of the speculating, it’s now. Boise has earned their chance, and the playoff system is the only and best way to crown an undisputed champion. Let’s do it on the field. Any other way is just hot air.

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If Boise goes undefeated the rest of the way, they deserve their shot, even if it means my Dawgs are left out.

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Boise St’s only delimma, as I see after last night, it is meeting the balance of criteria to get to the BCSNCG. I’ll say BS has a good squad. Maybe pretty near a great squad. They might be worthy of being in a BCS game by seasons end but when the blivet shakes out, SOS shoots them out of the water…

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Mark, I think you missed the real possiblility of an even larger event occuring at the end of the season. Boise St. is going to push to get into a bigger conference if they are denied while being undefeated for two years. And some conference (Pac-10?) will be likely to take them. The whole Armaggedon of college football as we know it will be touched off, and it will ruin the out of conference matchups and natural rivalries that we see in college football.

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No way – it’s gotta be the dawgs. Did you see them against Fartknocker U? Now that’s a real team and proves Murray is going to win 4 Heisman’s. I don’t know how you can overlook such a smashing victory while wasting your time on such nonsense as Vt and Boise.

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If VPI ends up going 12-1 then Boise State’ll probably play for the championship. But if VPI ends up 8-4, which is much more likely, then BSU didn’t really show much.

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Multiple idiots here….including Beano and Banks…that was one heck of a college football game and your comments are just plain stupid.

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First I am so glad they won… proves the 2005 loss to Georgia means squat today. Also proves to all the haters out there that said Va Tech was going to blow them out that BSU is for real.

Do they belong in the BCS Championship game? Why do we need to even have the debate. It all depends on how the season goes for everyone including BSU. Even if they beat OSU in a few weeks, I wouldn’t assume they are going to run the table. I’ll admit the WAC is a weak conference, but both Fresno State and Nevada will have something to say. Nevada has come very close to beating Boise the past two seasons and they have to play in them in Reno this year. Also, Utah St. had a shot at beating Oklahoma, so you can’t discount the entire conference.

Long season to go and as Coach Peterson said… this was just 1 win. I didn’t think they necessarily looked like a National Title contender last night… both teams made a lot of mistakes. I thought Boise would need to be perfect to win, but they also proved they can win when things aren’t always going there way and they did’t need “trick” plays to do it.

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No. They play in the WAC and their schedule is a joke. A 12-1 ACC Champ or SEC Champ is much more deserving based upon the road they’ve hoed than Boise and their cupcake laden season.

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Boise will lose to one of the cupcakes this year….

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NO… all we know is that they can beat the best team in the ACC. Heck last year the best team in the ACC had the football rammed down there throats by two non ACC teams Georgia & Iowa and no one thought either of them desired a shot at the national championship.
all this game really showed is what a choker the ACC is in general and Va Tech is in particular. Va Tech is 1 & 26 aganist top 5 teams. that’s why they are called the chokies.

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Several good points are being made here, and I agree that Boise or any team would have trouble winning it all in the SEC. But what Boise is actually doing here by consistently winning the games they have in front of them, is moving us all a lot closer to a playoff system. And that’s a good thing, because it’s the only true way of separating the men from the boys. Then there should be no questions. When you think about it as we all have many times, Division I College Football is about the only sport that really matters that doesn’t crown their champion solely on the field. And that is pretty unbelievable in 2010! Makes for good arguments, but that’s about it.

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The last time Boise was beaten in the WAC was by Hawaii, who went undefeated in 2007. They played Georgia, who did not win the SEC, and everyone remembers the massacre at the Sugar Bowl. Sorry, but going undefeated in the WAC just is not much of a test. I will admit, they looked good for most of the game last night, but at this point, no one really knows the quality of anyone’s opponents.

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Boise State wouldn’t go undefeated in any of the BCS conferences except maybe the Big East.

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This is just one game. We’ll have to see how the rest of the season plays out. If BS goes undefeated and VT has a great season and wins the ACC then I think you have to put BS at the top. But there is a lot of football to be played yet. If BS had to play an SEC tyype schedule every week, they woud certainly lose a couple of games.

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Until we get a playoff, we will never really know.

I do know that boise has some players.

I do know that Boise’s schedule is a joke.

I do know that we play Sc then Arkansas then MSU then colorado then Tennessee while Boise plays Nevada and Wyoming blah blah blah.

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The situation with Boise speaks to exactly what is wrong with the college football system in the first place. They are a nice team who essentially plays no one all year, with one or maybe two exceptions. Given the present system, they must be considered in the BCS mix. I personally think they would be a doormat in several conferences but we have what we have as a system. So, yes, put them there and maybe they will be the catalyst to change a horrible system.

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If they played in the acc or sec, they would get even better recruits and be even better.

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It all depends on how other teams finish. If you have 2 other teams finishing real strong with tougher schedules then no. They only play one good team this year so most likely no.

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Boise St. looked great last night. Their QB was able to make plats in the clutch. VT’s QB could not rely on his arm when he needed to in crunch time, though he is a solid multi threat QB.

Lets not get a head of ourselves. This is the 4th season opener in a row that VT has lost. sure their a solid program but does beating VT and Oregon St. equate to BCS Championship Game spot ? Lets hope not.

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Boise State looked better than I thought. Moore is a clutch quarterback and their running game surprised me. VT played awful to start the game and the blocked punt hurt also. It would be interesting to see how BSU would do playing in the SEC or Pac 10 or some good conference where you have tough games every week not 2 tough games a season.

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Of course they do. They beat a mid level ACC team. That should be enough to get into the championship game.

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How is this for cupcakes
La Laf
Idaho St
Miss St
Colorado
Tennessee
Vandy
That’s 6 cupcakes in a season.

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I’m for seeing Boise in the BCS championship AGAINST an SEC team. That will put an end to this crap. Boise beat VaTech…SO WHAT!! I can’t figure out for the life of me why they are even ranked. They didn’t even go to the ACC championship game last year and those that did got beat by mediocre SEC teams the week before. MB – you’ge good at stirring up a hornets nest but if you honestly believe Boise is a BCS caliber team, you’ve been smoking too much of the hooka pipe my friend!.

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“and congress should do something about it.”

And what would that be, giving them free welfare?

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“I don’t think Boise State should be criticized for its Conference schedule, it is what it is. Where I think they should be “hammered” in the polls is their non-conference schedule cream puffs of Toledo and Wyoming. If Boise State wants to play with the Big Boys for a national championship, they need to play more top 25 programs which they could do. If you are a Bama or Ohio State, scheduling Toledo is OK. If you are Boise State, its not.”

I just wanted to quote this guy b/c he is spot on ! Boise St. conference schedule is full of cream puffs ! B/c of that they cannot addord to schedule 2 of their 4 non-conference games against more cream puffs. They play 10 cream puffs and 2 real teams all season long. That is not BCS Championship worthy. There are probably 20 other teams in the country who would go undefeated with that schedule.

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coachx
they try. they won’t play them. quit making excuses. they deserve the shot. people questioning them are fools. this is a NEW year. quit going back 5 years morons. let’s go back 3 years. they deserve the chance. if they played in a big 6 conference, they would get more money and even better recruits.

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espn hates the sec? dude they just signed a 2 billion dollar contract with them fool. man some of you are very ignorant.

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No freaking way, even GT would run the table on that schedule . They play 2 games against modest competition and the rest of their schedule might as well be against AAA high school teams. They would drop 4 games (at least) if they played an SEC schedule and weren’t able to get up for 2 games out of the season..

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“UGA if either of them go undefeated”

Bwahaha. Stop it. You are making me laugh so hard. You have a better chance of the dems gaining seats in the house and senate than that happening.

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Dogs are a field goal underdog this week. I thought they showed vegas against La Laf. Oh wait, it was against a bottom 10 worst teams in the FBS. I think spurrier pulls some major magic and beats you by 14.

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Absolutely not. Why would anyone schedule a tough opponent when they can play High School teams and get into the BCS. If they want to be considered a legitimate BCS contender, join the PAC 12 or another quality conference. You put them in the BCS and you have another Georgia vs Hawaii. Not a game I care to see.

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HugoStiglitz – Get a grip. Congress has no business worrying about football playoffs. They have already screwed up the country, why would you want them to mess with college football.
Give me a break!

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Here’s how I see it playing out:

One-loss Big 12 Champ Texas smokes TCU in the Fiesta while one-loss SEC Champ Bama smokes the ACC/Big East champ in the Sugar.

Ohio St. and Boise play the weakest National Championship game ever regardless of the outcome.

Playoff talk runs on overdrive.

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alabama and ohio st will both lose a game and tcu and boise st will go undefeated and play in the bcs championship game

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I love college football. Unlike alot of people, I like that the regular season means everything. I like the bowls. I really don’t think a “playoff” like basketball, or baseball, would be better, because then the regular season would not mean as much. Just get “hot” at the end. How many times have we seen a “wild card” team win it all? However, it would be nice to figure out a way to ex-pand the final standing to include a team such as Auburn, who was undefeated, but did not get a chance to prove it on the field.

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You know why they shouldn’t be allowed in the BCS game? Because after week 1 we expect they’ll be undefeated. You can’t assume that for any of the teams in the AQ conferences.

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If there are two undefeateds from the SEC, ACC, Big 10, Pac 10 and Big 12, then no, Boise State probably doesn’t deserve to get in. But would they trump a one loss big conference team? Maybe, we’ll see how the season goes. In that case, sure, put ‘em in and see how they do against the BCS formula’s other team.The Broncos have lots of fight and are really well coached, but I’m not convinced they could hang with an Alabama.

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You have to give some weight to schedule strength or independents Notre Dame and BYU will start scheduling creampuffs every week. Boise St. is a fine team, possibly the equal of any in the current Top Ten, but come on. The onus is on them to develope a strategy to play stronger teams throughout the season. Maybe they should go independent too and do what FSU did back in the 80s, go on the road to play the big boys, have success, and gain credibility.

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The talking heads in Bristol and the “influential” CFB writers will say no.

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It’s official. Reggie Bush has been stripped of his Heisman..

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=ys-bushheisman090710

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I think they are as well coached as anyone in football and they have plenty of talent.

I just want to see them do what they did last night 3 weeks in a row before they get a shot at the title.

They are really really good; they can beat anyone. Until they upgrade their conference I just don’t know if they deserve to play for a national title.

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Virginia Tech is NO barometer of BCS conferences strength of schedule…you can count on that. It is NOT how good these teams are…heck they ALL are good. It is about what is a FAIR process. Running the SEC, Big10, and heck even PAC10 gauntlet is unfair if Smurfville is allowed in the final.

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What you did in the past is in the past. In my opinion there should be no preseason poll at all to give you a leg up on the next season. Should beating VA tech by three points and maybe beating Oregon State give a team a shot at a national championship with a cake schedule I think not, otherwise why not have AL join an easy conference to play for a national championship every single year.. Auburn went 13-0 and had a few easy games and it cost them dearly in not being able to play for a national championship. Boise state complains they can’t get people to play them. When you are a have not you have to work harder and be willing to play a lot of away games against top competition. Boise State needs to play top competition for all out of conference games and they need style points to get cred. We all know Va Tech is not a top team quit pretending a win against them and Oregon State is enough to get to a national championship game. They now can get a BCS game you have to do a whole lot more to earn a national championship game. An SEC team earns what they get that is why they win so many national championships. I hate how in basketball the regular season means so little in football it means so much. I am fine with a plus one playoff in football no more than that ever. Too many pretenders want that easy schedule and a chance at a national championship by winning a couple games, so would AL if they could get it.

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I have a question for all the folks on here beating up BSU for their schedule, or how the “just” beat a VT team that seems to have gone from being #10 in the country to last in the ACC in some folk’s eyes.

Exactly WHAT would you have BSU do? Should their coaches tell recruits that if they attend BSU they have NO chance at the ultimate prize in their organization (ie, the NCAA BCS championship). Numerous posters have pointed out that BSU would schedule SEC teams every year if they could. And yes, they got killed by UGA a few years ago; it does happen sometimes. Every SEC team I can think of has at least one “ugly” loss in the last few years, and we don’t hold it up as if a single data point defines a trend.

So, what do they do? Just concede that they can’t play in the “big” game? Even schools in non-BCS conferences have to provide resources for the NCAA. Should they get their money back?

BSU is NOT a flash in the pan. The credentials that they will (potentially) use to get a pass to the big game are pretty impressive; being undefeated against all comers for 2 STRAIGHT YEARS. Imagine if an SEC team had to be undefeated to 2 straight years to get consideration.

I am all for a playoff, and I also think BSU would not be undefeated in the SEC. But not being able to prove/disprove that on the field is NOT their fault. The system they play under, with the rules currently in place for all to see, denied them a chance last year. Now, using the same system, they are somehow unworthy if the “rules” put them in the game? Doesn’t pass the smell test.

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This game was exciting and YES BSU….IF they go undefeated deserves a shot. You can only play the games that are scheduled. The Universities normally schedule the OOC games 2-4 years in advance and really don’t know if those teams are going to ranked or good at the time they schedule.

If you want to compare conferences and say that if they played the SEC, Big-10, Big-12, ACC, Pac-10 or Big East schedules they would be this or that then invite them to either play in your conference or schedule them in a home and home in the future. Better yet, if your conference loses the opportunity to play in the BCS Championship Game because of BSU then several schools from your conference schedule them in OOC to show them how tough your schedule can be if they had to play it.

When you schedule FCS cupcakes instead of home and home games against the WAC, MWC, or other BCS conferences then do you really have a reason to gripe and complain? When in reality you could have scheduled them and measured your team up to them on thier Blue Turf!!!! That would be a statement…an SEC or Big-10 or Big-12 school going to BSU and winning on thier field. Now I think that would quell the speculation. In return you would add to your own SOS and have them in your house to show them how the BIG BOYS play. This is the solution to the problem currently at hand.

The Fix…..there are 120 teams in FBS play currently. Have 10 12-team conferences that play 8 in conference games and 2 OOC game and have a conference championship game that is 11 games. Currently the better teams play 14 in a year. that would leave a playoff system that would allow a 16-team field and the top 2 would play 4 more games which would be 1 more than they are currently playing. There would be 10 AQ and 6 at large bids based off records, SOS, SOV, oppenents SOS and SOV, and rankings by the 2 polls. And if needed a play-in game if the schools are that evenly matched using this system. Do away with the computers and which conference is the best debate and let it be settled on the field. Seeding would be determined by rankings and then there would be very little debate. All games played at neutral sites so the revenues for the schools and conferences would not suffer. The other lower level Bowls could still be played but the spotlight would be on the field of 16.

Just a Thought and a realistic view of all of this.

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Fact is, there aren’t 120 teams worthy of Division 1-A status. Think about it- when will UAB, Houston, Wyoming, et al EVER win a championship? Let the BCS be only the six BCS conferences, let the other 50 or so determine a separate second-tier champion. This would motivate Boise, Utah, TCU, etc. to do whatever it takes to get into the PAC 10 or Big 12.

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Answer: not in a million years should BS play for the national championship over a one-loss SEC or Big Ten or Big 12 team.

Oh, and I don’t love an underdog, particularly in football. I would rather see excellence vs. excellence in the finale. Also, BS is not really an underdog since they started at #3.

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Institute a plus-one, then BS will deserve to play as one of four teams, but they do not deserve to be one of two when they only have one game all year that is even remotely difficult (forget OSU, they stink, particularly in September). VT has to worry about a year’s worth of games, BS can spend all of their time and effort on scheming against one team because they play Wyoming and other awful schools the rest of the time.

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droops,
I think Boise State already HAS respect by being a top 10 team in both polls as a non-AQ. The only folks who need convincing are the fans of AQ leagues.

Ask Bob Stoops, Chip Kelly, Frank Beamer, and Gary Patterson.

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“I think Boise State already HAS respect by being a top 10 team in both polls as a non-AQ. The only folks who need convincing are the fans of AQ leagues.”

I absolutely agree with you. The national media has tremendous respect for BS. I, however, do not.

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Good points droopydawg and Marcus. It would be nice if we could keep the bowls but expand the present system to maybe put the top 4 teams in as #1 against #4, and #2 against #3, with one extra game for the NC, or have a “plus 1″ game. It’s impossible to come up with any system that will cover every possible scenerio, but that should go a long way to prevent an undefeated team from not getting a chance.

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The question is whether a team is good enough in a given year to win the National Championship. This happens to be year that Boise State is good enough. They have 20 starters returning, are very very deep at every position (except quarterback), and have a fabulous coaching staff. Until Utah pulled out a can of whoop ass and beat the stuffing out of great Alabama team, and Boise pulled off a stunner over Oklahoma–the argument had always been that no non-BSC schools could beat the best BCS teams. Now the argument from the good ol boys is that it should be about tradition and history more than how good a given non BSC team is in a given year.

Settle it on the field!

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Eisendawg – I am not buying the argument that you can’t have a playoff in Div 1 FB (FBS) because it would be asking the players to play too many games. It wasn’t that long ago that a regular season was 11 games. Now it is 12 games + a conference championship game. Div 1AA (FCS) manages to have a playoff.
It is all about $$$ for the 6 AQ conferences and for the people working for the Bowls.

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I’d go with 16. Champions of all 11 (soon to be 10) FBS conferences along with 5 at-large.
Play the games at the home field of the higher ranked teams apart from the championship game.
This is very similar to the Div 1AA playoffs. You could start the games the 2nd weekend in December and still finish around the same time as the BCS MNC

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In Athens, UGA could beat Boise St. with no problem They play in a creampuff conference and after Va Tech, have all easy games left. What a joke!

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Eisendawg – I’m proposing 5 at-large to go with the champions. The runner up from the SEC (and likely the Big 10 and Big XII) would go as well.
I can’t disagree with the extra games being an issue. They could go back to 11 regular season, but we both know why that won’t happen

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Yeah, I agree Paul. It’s really unfair that some conferences don’t play a championship game anyway. That extra game knocks one team out of the mix. That’s my gripe with the PAC 10 and the BIG 10, among others. It’s alot easier when you only have to get “up” for one or two games all year. Of course, getting agreement from all the universities and the prospective bowls are about like getting our Congress to give up their “free” healthcare and pension. lol

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Doesn’t matter who had more wins last year. This is 2010. Different season. Different players. Different coaches in some instances.

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@ NorthWest_Dawg…
Sir, you are a scholar! Well put!

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No. Getting up for two games (three, if you count the big one) doesn’t constitute a championship.

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No, but they’re gonna be there because the pompous doinks that run college football, along with their media patsies, think it would be a great thing if they were.

To me, it doesn’t matter if Spud State gets in or not, it’s just like having a Big Ten team in there.

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Boise State will play maybe 3 good opponents. Virginia Tech was one of them. When they play 6 or 7 good opponents like SEC teams do they can have a valid argument. The same goes for Ohio State. They play a bunch of weak teams every year but keep being ranked top 5. You replace Florida,Bama,Auburn,LSU,or Georgia with either Boise St. & Ohio St. and they would be top 5 every year too. Bama’s ranked # 1 but they have to make it thru the SEC.

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@ Sec Fact Finder( the real one) I stated that I respected Georgia and Tennessee, because
they traveled outside their conference. As for the Crimson Tide playing Virginia Tech in a
neutral site last year, Atlanta is less than a three hour drive from where Alabama plays.
Look at the 2009 schedule forAlabama and you will see about 4 cupcake games.

September 12 Florida International Tuscaloosa cupcake # 1
September 19 North Texas Tuscaloosa cupcake # 2
November 14 at Mississippi State Starkville cupcake #3
November 21 Tennessee-Chattanoog cupcake # 4

There are plenty of teams in the former Big Ten and Pac 10 that have to
compete weekly not every other week. Boise State should get the opportunity
if they run the table-Don’t forget Alabama was not a major competitor in the
SEC a few years ago,

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Boisian,

Can’t complain about BCS teams not wanting to come there when you guys had an opportunity to jump from the WAC this year. If you guys were BIG 12 / BIG 10 / PAC 10 then very few people could complain about your SoS. Would it still be weaker than most SEC teams yes but Ohio State plays a 3 team schedule almost every year.

Who ever said how do we know the SEC will be good this year? Please don’t be so Daft. The SEC is good every year. Just ask those in the NC game.

Still Boise won. Solid Victory over a team that has been on the decline for a few yrs now. Still they are considered a contender nearly every year. You can’t really down BSU for that. I’d respect them more if they just played like Fresno does. Stop asking folks to come there truly go where ever when ever. Besides when you play FLA AUB TENN(most yrs) SC(last couple) ALA why would you schedule a OOC game against a solid team. FLA has had their bye week the week before UGA most years. Why? Preparation is key to winning. Especially when you’d likely have to pay BSU 1.5 – 1.8 mill to play when you can pay Chattoga Boys and Girls Club 600-800k to do so. Doesn’t make monetary sense

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How about VT losing to James Madision today? That sure adds to the Boise State victory!

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