His name is Nate McLouth, as in, ‘Get him OUTTA here’
Nate the Great draws a bead on a fly. Note that the ball is in fact behind him. (AP photo)
It’s difficult to hit any worse than .176, but Nate McLouth has done the deed. That skinny number is what he was batting when he went on the disabled list after his noggin clashed with Jason Heyward’s knee. Since returning last week, McLouth is 1-for-15, which represents a Twiggy-like .067.
(And the hit, we should note, was a flare that dropped into right field McLouth’s first game back. That gift should offset the live drive that became a double play Sunday.)
We have seen Braves struggle over the years — Andruw Jones, Jeff Francoeur, Yunel Escobar, the legendary Greg Norton — but we have never seen an everyday Brave perform worse than this. Nate McLouth is hitting .168 on the season. He has three home runs, 14 RBIs, four stolen bases. The highest his average has climbed since April 8 is .208.
He wasn’t very good in his half-season as a Brave in 2009 — a .257 average, 11 homers, 36 RBIs — but today the Braves would take that tepid yield and be ecstatic. McLouth has been so bad for so long, starting in spring training and continuing apace, that there’s no cause to believe he is a big-league starter, or even a big-leaguer, any longer.
There were whispers around baseball that the Pirates had noted a decline in McLouth’s skills and were thrilled to unload him before the rest of the sport caught on. If so, that marks the first time in two decades the Bucs have outsmarted somebody. (Not that losing Charlie Morton was any setback.)
The hope when he returned from the DL was that McLouth might get going enough to satisfy the team’s modest requirements in center field. (The Braves don’t need Willie Mays; they just need a guy who’ll hit a little bit and play D, but McLouth, who astonishingly won a Gold Glove in 2008, isn’t A. Jones with the leather. Or the arm.) Either that, or he’d catch the eye of another team in need of an outfielder. But now the Braves are stuck.
They can’t keep running McLouth out there because he drags down the team, and they can’t trade him because nobody would want him. (Remember when having a former All-Star under contract through 2011 — and with a club option for 2012 — seemed a capital idea?) They can’t promote Jordan Schafer because he just got demoted again, and their most viable trade targets seem to be left fielders.
Unless Frank Wren can swing a trade this week for a real center fielder — B.J. Upton or Matt Kemp — the Braves’ options at the position can be boiled down to two: They can promote Gregor Blanco, who’s back yet again at Gwinnett, or make a deal for a corner outfielder and bump Heyward, who’s a classic right fielder, over to center. Neither is the optimum, but both beat the status quo.
Put simply, Gregor Blanco is a better center fielder right now than Nate McLouth. Heck, Henry Blanco might be a better center fielder than Nate McLouth. And Henry Blanco is a catcher.
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mclOUTh
July 26th, 2010
11:45 am
Um…the misplayed fly ball in CF yesterday does not give me the confidence in Melky as an everyday option. However, I would take him over Nate anyday.
Jeff
July 26th, 2010
11:46 am
Thank you Mark for writing this. Its time for the ATL media to start acting like the NY media when its appropriate. Why Bobby let McLouth hit with the bases loaded yesterday is totally beyond me. That’s one of the dumbest things he has done in an otherwise great career as a manager.
At this point I say bring back Andruw Jones if nothing else pans out. Also Blanco is a much better option than Nate at this point. Nate can go to AAA and be the highest paid minor leaguer for all I care.
cheshire
July 26th, 2010
11:51 am
I won’t add to what everyone is saying – Nate is horrible and he needs to go. The guy doesn’t have what it takes to play at this level and he’s severely hurting this team. I’m sure he’s a nice guy, but don’t feel too bad for him – he’ll make $5 million this year for doing absolutely nothing, so i’m not exactly overcome with sympathy.
You have 2 options at this point:
1 – Put Blanco or Melky in CF. This isn’t the sexy move, but it will tremendously increase your production in CF (not that that’s tough to do right now), and it’s a move that doesn’t risk much disruption in chemistry. Also, you don’t have to give anything up, which is nice
2 – Get a Hart of Willingham and move J-Hey to center. I think Heyward would make a great centerfielder. But more than anything, i just don’t want to see us give up someone great and get a below average player back (i’m looking at you Cody Ross) simply because said player happens to play CF. We have a guy who can do that in Heyward, and if the best guys available play RF or LF, it makes way more sense to move guys around and bring them in.
I love the Braves and i’ve watched them since i was a kid, but if they don’t get McLouth off this team, i’m not sure how much more I can watch. To me that’s like saying “hey, we’re intentionally going to hurt our chances to win tonight”, and that’s such a slap in the face to fans who spend their money and time following this team. McLouth has gone from a mediocre player to a bad player to a punchline to an insult. Enough is enough.
Candorman
July 26th, 2010
11:51 am
Seemed like a good pick-up at the time but he hasn’t done anything since we got him. Don’t understand why Gregor Blanco is at Gwinnet while Nate is still starting. We were doing so well while Nate was on the DL. I agree he has to go somewhere, anywhere.
As for trading Medlen for Ross, are your kidding? Ross is streaky at best and has long dry spells between streaks. Medlen is a quality starter and was misused after the break. Trading quality for medicority would be an uncharacteristic mistake by the front office.
Reality check
July 26th, 2010
11:51 am
Gonna need to unload alot of young talent for Crawford and I would hope they’d do so with the intent on signing him (chances of that are $lim). Wren won’t bring in a problem child, especially with how the season is going and this being Bobby’s last year.
James
July 26th, 2010
11:53 am
Trade for Matt Kemp and sign Jermaine Dye for the rest of the season and if he performs well sign him back for another season.
mclOUTh
July 26th, 2010
11:54 am
The Rays are NOT trading Crawford while they are in the middle of a pennant race and have a great shot at the Wild Card. Anyone looking for us to pick him up this week needs to step away from the weed.
BuckheadBrave
July 26th, 2010
11:54 am
I love the trades proposed on here. Some of these people need to get a job and stop playing so much MLB The Show on Playstation. How about a 3 team deal we send Jesse Chavez and Mike Dunn to Tampa Bay for BJ Upton and they will send two prospects to St. Louis and we will receive Albert Pujols.
THE BEAR Illegitimi non carborundum
July 26th, 2010
11:54 am
Some facts:
Neither Chavez nor McLouth are accustomed to playing on a winning team. With them on the field the Braves lose, with them off the field the Braves win. It really is that simple.
It is time to swallow hard, maybe even choke a little and get McLouth off the roster by whatever means necessary. As for Chavez just send him to Gwinnett and forget about him.
Chris Snow
July 26th, 2010
11:56 am
I think, we as Braves fans, want our team to WIN. And Mc”out” is not helping what so ever. His problems started in spring and hasn’t let up yet. The obvious answer here is to send him to AAA, bring back Blanco and have him and Melkey platoon CF. It was working just fine before McLouth came back! We gave him a shot in the past 2 series and it’s just not working out! I too feel it was a bad idea to bring him back up when he really wasn’t doing to hot in Gwinnett.
LuvdaBraves
July 26th, 2010
11:57 am
I’ve never been more P.O.’d at two players as I was yesterday at Glaus and Mc”hit the ball right to the SS”Louth. Dear, sweet 3 month old Baby Jesus!
Chris Snow
July 26th, 2010
11:59 am
I have alot more faith that Glaus will come back around than McOut. Give Glaus some rest every now and then and start Henske @ FB.
Brad
July 26th, 2010
12:00 pm
What frustrated me a little was hearing Chipper and Bobby saying that the double play he hit was ‘hit hard, but right at Ramirez.’ Uh, guys? That’s kind of the issue Nate ‘the Out Machine’ McLouth… when he’s not hitting the ball right at someone, he’s striking out. Is it impossible for us to bundle a package of McLouth with a couple of our young pitching prospects in an effort to broker a trade for a full-time outfielder? There has been some discussion that there are some teams out there that are interested in our young minor league pitching talent. And we are in a penant race, right? All I know is that we have to do something with McLouth so he can’t hurt the team anymore. Whether that means we send him down to Gwinnett and call Gregor Blanco back up, or include him as part of a trade package, the bottom line is that Bobby Cox cannot continue to stubbornly play him when guys like Omar Infante, Matt Diaz, and Eric Hinske are all sitting on the damn bench. He’s not getting it done and he has to go… nail on the head, Mark!
frank james
July 26th, 2010
12:01 pm
Adam Dunn is the Braves answer, but getting him would be impossible.
Mike
July 26th, 2010
12:01 pm
Note to Supes: No comparison of McLouth to Glaus .. Troy is tired and they need to keep him fresh. He is coming off a 2009 season with virtually no games played due to injury .. It makes sense to do whatever it takes to be certain he is strong in September and October .. We have been playing a ton of games in hot weather and that plus his admittedly sore knees add up to Troy needing some rest .. The Braves can win the division with Glaus playing five out of every seven games, but they cannot win in the playoffs with a tired Glaus not up to his full potential.
papadawg
July 26th, 2010
12:02 pm
Winners do not leave the bases loaded with one out in extra inings
Trade Rumor
July 26th, 2010
12:06 pm
McLouth to Augusta National for a pimiento cheese sandwich. Billy Payne is nobody’s fool, however. We may have to throw in a player to be named later.
frank james
July 26th, 2010
12:06 pm
papadawg – you are right. I remember the 96 World Series and in game three how the Yankees started hitting to all field especially with runners in scoring position. That is the achilles heel of this Braves team. We can’t hit with runners in scoring postion. You can’t point to anyone individual that has been consistent other than McCann.
Paddy
July 26th, 2010
12:07 pm
papadawg…yes they do, the Yankees great teams of the 40’s did it all the time. Some of the greatest teams in ML history had trouble with the bases loaded for some reason. Check it out, you would be amazed!
Matty Ice
July 26th, 2010
12:08 pm
quite simply – Nate McLouth must go….what good is it to have a fast guy who can steal bases if he cannot get on base – what is the old saying, “you can’t steal first”…..
Sorry Nate, you have been voted off the island!
Chris Snow
July 26th, 2010
12:09 pm
What Brad just said…
don
July 26th, 2010
12:09 pm
the trade with the Pirates included Gorkys Hernandez and Jeff Locke in addition to Charlie Morton. Hernandez (CF) and Locke (P) are both 22 years old and are with Altoona of ther Eastern League (AA). One or both of them, as well as Morton, may still make a major contribution to the Pirates in the future. The Braves are often outwitted in trades so this one may just be another example of that.
Still, at the time of the McLouth trade, I supported it. I suspect that many who are whining now supported it when it was made. Since I supported it then, I cannot be a hypocrite and complain now. I hope McLouth finds his way somehow somewhere.
I suspect the Braves are giving McLouth every chance in order to attempt to hide the fact that this was not a good trade (the future may make it much worse as seems to happen to the Braves- remember Teixeira and Drew). They need to bite the bullet and bring back Gregor Blanco. They get some decent production from Blanco. they can win with Blanco. Thus, swallow your false pride and do what is best for the team.
Jay Dubu
July 26th, 2010
12:09 pm
Mark,
Don’t put this all on Nate.
Glaus, who has struggled himself, should have delivered with the bases loaded earlier in the game, and hit into a DP.
Cox should have pinch hit for Nate, but the pitcher’s spot was coming up in the inning (12th), so he had to save Omar for that.
You’re playing extra inning baseball, you have the bases loaded with 1 out, and you’re making plans for the next inning??!!!!! And no media type followed up on that? How about you try and score here, and put your closer in the game?
And he knew that he was going to insert Chavez in to pitch if the Braves didn’t score, so that alone should have been motivation to do everything possible to score.
And while we’re at it, where is KK? He’s pitched 1 inning since June 26. Is he injured, or is he just never going to pitch again? Can someone at the AJC Sports department let us know?
Its All McOut's fault
July 26th, 2010
12:10 pm
Yes, they can send McOut down to AAA. Even though he has a contract, he has less than 6 years MLB service time. (I think he has 5.something years)
I think its the best option for the team. You can’t continue to carry dead weight and no one in their right mind is gonna take him off our hands.
Indy Bravesfan
July 26th, 2010
12:10 pm
I was at the Friday night game. Utterly painful!
Here’s the deal. Bobby Cox is NOT a great manager. IN the 90s the Braves won INSPITE of him, not BECAUSE of him. Cox was a bad manager before Smoltz, Maddux, and Glavine came to town and he’s been a bad manager ever since they left. The Braves won because of those guys and John Schuerholtz. NOT BOBBY COX. He was continuously outmanaged by every manager he faced in the playoffs. The Braves came up painfully short all t hose years because of their below average manager who sat on his butt while the team racked up wins against outmanned teams in the regular season and had no clue what to do when they faced good teams.
Cox ALWAYS sticks with his starter too long. On Friday, after Prado hit a HR to bring it to 2-1 and Sanabia starter to look a little winded, Rodriguez lifted him and the pen put out the rally. But whe Lowe OBVIOUSLY had nothing left, Cox allowed him to walk the bases loaded and THEN give up a two run single that made the game 4-1. Only after that did Cox lift Lowe. COx weas outmanaged by a rookie manager.
Sunday was ridiculous. I realize that Infante was on deck to pinch hit for the pitcher when McLouth, for all intents and purposes, lost the game for Atlanta, but THAT was the spot where Infante SHOULD have been hitting. Those runs were SO IMPORTANT. Had Atlanta taken the lead there, Chavez WOULDN’T HAVE SEEN THE FIELD. Instead, he double switches AFTER the DP and the game is lost. McLouth had already dribbled one back to the pitcher the night before with the bases loaded and nobody out getting the runner at third forced out at home. Cox pinch ran Diaz for McCann (who promptly got thrown out trying to steal, thus burning BOTH guys for the rest of the game) meaning Ross HAD to run for himself when the game was really on the line. Snitker STILL should have sent Ross knowing who was on deck! It is a third base coaches JOB to know the situation. The next two batters were McLouth and the pitcher’s spot.
The real problem with this team is Wren (numerous HORRIBLE trades), Cox (below average manager), and Terry Pendleton. And things aren’t going to get better with a new CF. Things aren’t going to get better until a NEW manager with a NEW hitting coach and a NEW GM are in town.
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Nevada Roy
July 26th, 2010
12:15 pm
Kawakami has only pitched 1 inning (giving up 5 hits) since June 26th. Doesn’t that demonstrate the team only needs to carry 11 pitchers on the active roster? DFA both McLouth and Kawakami, bring up Blanco and Freeman with Freeman sharing 1B with Glaus.
JoeFan
July 26th, 2010
12:23 pm
Glaus needs to go on the DL and Freeman should be called up. His numbers at AAA more than justify the promotion plus he would be a defensive upgrade. The Braves want find any interest for Nate or KK on the trade market. Both should either be DL’d if the Braves can be creative and find a reason for the move or they should be released. Just imagine what might happen if they are replaced by 2 significantly better players. This could be the differnece in playing for a championship with the corresponding increase in revenue that would more than offset the money owed these two.
BravesFan79
July 26th, 2010
12:24 pm
Bring back Blanco! Id rather see Blanco than us trade for a guy thats a .250 hitter with medium power that dosent take alot of walks. (seems to be whats available… unless your talking about Adam Dunn).
Jay Dubu
July 26th, 2010
12:25 pm
The Braves bullpen is in need of another arm or 2 that Cox can/will trust.
Cox lost confidence in Dunn during his last outing when he walked 3 hitters while recording only 1 out.
Chavez, (I’ can’t believe Wren traded Soriano for him, I know it was salary related, but Tampa has a good farm system, and prospects would have been more encouraging than Chavez).
KK is in the pen, or at least that’s where he’s listed on the Braves’ depth chart. Haven’t seen him warming up, so maybe he’s back in Japan, who knows.
Saito’s shoulder is hurt, so you can’t really pitch him like Cox does to guys he has confidence in.
Wags, not sure if he’s physically ok. Hasn’t looked good last two outings.
Venters’ arm is going to fall off the way he’s being used. The suspension time will be good for him to rest his arm.
Moylan hasn’t been the Pete of old this year, but still pretty solid.
O'Brien
July 26th, 2010
12:26 pm
I dont think the Braves will find any takers for Nate (he would be owed ~$8 mil for the rest of this season and next). They will just have to keep him on the bench, and either let Blanco play more often, or make a trade for another outfielder using a combination of pitchers.
As for Glaus, this is his average by month:
April: .194, May: .330, June: .237, July: .207.
I’m not really sure that qualifies as streaky. He had one good month.
pete
July 26th, 2010
12:26 pm
Did some moron just say Bench Glaus? He carried the team for 2 months. He is on pace for over 100 RBI. You sir are an idiot
mclOUTh
July 26th, 2010
12:29 pm
Starting a new group at the Ted. MclOUTh’s OUTS. One guy can be a K, one can be a DP, one can be a backwards K, and another can be a F9. Who’s with me?
Jebediah Springfield
July 26th, 2010
12:31 pm
I’m all for trying Heyward in CF and finding a corner OF by trade since there doesn’t seem to be a decent CF available. But Nate has to go.
T.O
July 26th, 2010
12:31 pm
Bradley-Melky is the starting Center Fielder. You don’t even mention him in your article. Cmon man! Also we need to get rid of Glaus while he stil has some value. He’s worthless.
LAKE OCONEE DAWG
July 26th, 2010
12:32 pm
robdawg08:
Kick a man when he’s down….Hope you get down one day and somebody kicks the hell out of you…just cause the guy hit into a double play, we play the “last straw” theme….McClouth wants to so bad he is not relaxed and he is pressing…..
Indy Bravesfan
July 26th, 2010
12:32 pm
I was at the Friday night game. Utterly painful!
Here’s the deal. Bobby Cox is NOT a great manager. IN the 90s the Braves won INSPITE of him, not BECAUSE of him. Cox was a bad manager before Smoltz, Maddux, and Glavine came to town and he’s been a bad manager ever since they left. The Braves won because of those guys and John Schuerholtz. NOT BOBBY COX. He was continuously outmanaged by every manager he faced in the playoffs. The Braves came up painfully short all t hose years because of their below average manager who sat on his butt while the team racked up wins against outmanned teams in the regular season and had no clue what to do when they faced good teams.
Cox ALWAYS sticks with his starter too long. On Friday, after Prado hit a HR to bring it to 2-1 and Sanabia starter to look a little winded, Rodriguez lifted him and the pen put out the rally. But whe Lowe OBVIOUSLY had nothing left, Cox allowed him to walk the bases loaded and THEN give up a two run single that made the game 4-1. Only after that did Cox lift Lowe. COx weas outmanaged by a rookie manager.
Sunday was ridiculous. I realize that Infante was on deck to pinch hit for the pitcher when McLouth, for all intents and purposes, lost the game for Atlanta, but THAT was the spot where Infante SHOULD have been hitting. Those runs were SO IMPORTANT. Had Atlanta taken the lead there, Chavez WOULDN’T HAVE SEEN THE FIELD. Instead, he double switches AFTER the DP and the game is lost. McLouth had already dribbled one back to the pitcher the night before with the bases loaded and nobody out getting the runner at third forced out at home. Cox pinch ran Diaz for McCann (who promptly got thrown out trying to steal, thus burning BOTH guys for the rest of the game) meaning Ross HAD to run for himself when the game was really on the line. Snitker STILL should have sent Ross knowing who was on deck! It is a third base coaches JOB to know the situation. The next two batters were McLouth and the pitcher’s spot.
The real problem with this team is Wren (numerous HORRIBLE trades), Cox (below average manager), and Terry Pendleton. And things aren’t going to get better with a new CF. Things aren’t going to get better until a NEW manager with a NEW hitting coach and a NEW GM are in town.I was at the Friday night game. Utterly painful!
Here’s the deal. Bobby Cox is NOT a great manager. IN the 90s the Braves won INSPITE of him, not BECAUSE of him. Cox was a bad manager before Smoltz, Maddux, and Glavine came to town and he’s been a bad manager ever since they left. The Braves won because of those guys and John Schuerholtz. NOT BOBBY COX. He was continuously outmanaged by every manager he faced in the playoffs. The Braves came up painfully short all t hose years because of their below average manager who sat on his butt while the team racked up wins against outmanned teams in the regular season and had no clue what to do when they faced good teams.
Cox ALWAYS sticks with his starter too long. On Friday, after Prado hit a HR to bring it to 2-1 and Sanabia starter to look a little winded, Rodriguez lifted him and the pen put out the rally. But whe Lowe OBVIOUSLY had nothing left, Cox allowed him to walk the bases loaded and THEN give up a two run single that made the game 4-1. Only after that did Cox lift Lowe. COx weas outmanaged by a rookie manager.
Sunday was ridiculous. I realize that Infante was on deck to pinch hit for the pitcher when McLouth, for all intents and purposes, lost the game for Atlanta, but THAT was the spot where Infante SHOULD have been hitting. Those runs were SO IMPORTANT. Had Atlanta taken the lead there, Chavez WOULDN’T HAVE SEEN THE FIELD. Instead, he double switches AFTER the DP and the game is lost. McLouth had already dribbled one back to the pitcher the night before with the bases loaded and nobody out getting the runner at third forced out at home. Cox pinch ran Diaz for McCann (who promptly got thrown out trying to steal, thus burning BOTH guys for the rest of the game) meaning Ross HAD to run for himself when the game was really on the line. Snitker STILL should have sent Ross knowing who was on deck! It is a third base coaches JOB to know the situation. The next two batters were McLouth and the pitcher’s spot.
The real problem with this team is Wren (numerous HORRIBLE trades), Cox (below average manager), and Terry Pendleton. And things aren’t going to get better with a new CF. Things aren’t going to get better until a NEW manager with a NEW hitting coach and a NEW GM are in town.
Jebediah Springfield
July 26th, 2010
12:33 pm
I’m also ready for Freeman to be the everyday 1B next year- the guy is tearing it up at AAA. Heck, he might be better than Glaus right now, but Bobby would never even consider it.
boots
July 26th, 2010
12:37 pm
First of all, it is nice seeing all the passion in the Braves again. KK and McLouth are both dead weight, and you cannot put them in a game – period. Sure, McLouth can pinch run, but Blanco is faster… and better in every other way. Omar should be in as many games as possible, and he is too valuable to not be putting in the games. This all seems odd when it is so obvious to everyone, and I honestly don’t believe this is one of those cases where the fans just THINK they know better.
Cody Ross is a step down from using Infante or Diaz in the OF, so don’t trade for him. If you are going to do a trade, then make it a block-buster deal that brings the World Series back to Atlanta.
J-man
July 26th, 2010
12:38 pm
Cox has shown that he won’t ever give up on McLouth, just like he kept trotting out Greg Norton last year to pinch hit and make outs. Wren has to save Cox from himself and just release McLouth. Of course Wren refused to release Norton last year, so I don’t expect him to do anything here either.
Jebediah Springfield
July 26th, 2010
12:38 pm
Check out Freedie Freeman’s stats from Gwinnett so far this season- pretty impressive stuff:
AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI TB BB SO SB CS OBP SLG AVG OPS E
334 44 97 23 2 13 57 163 30 60 3 2 .352 .488 .290 .840 5
Knock-a-homa
July 26th, 2010
12:39 pm
You can’t spell McLouth without OUT.
Milburn Drysdale
July 26th, 2010
12:42 pm
Medlin for Cody Ross?? Don’t like it. Wouldn’t that mean Kawakami would be back in the 5 spot? No can do. Cody Ross wouldn’t be much of an upgrade to McClouth. Freeman is too green. Adam Dunn or Adam LaRoche would be nice, but at what price? Would be nice to get Glaus some rest and provide a big right handed bat off the bench or a platoon.
Jeff Blouser
July 26th, 2010
12:44 pm
Send McAwful down and let him work out the kinks and bring Blanco back. But Bobby made some bad decisions this weekend. Bases loaded 1 out…Why not squeeze that one run in…If it fails you now have 2 outs.
Trade McOut!!
July 26th, 2010
12:45 pm
Can we get some rosin bags for him? Throw in Jesse Chaves for some baseballs to be named later!!
zach
July 26th, 2010
12:45 pm
i know a kid from jacksonville state university named todd cunningham who i have absolutely no doubt whatsoever would outdo mclouth in cf. he can outrun he has a better arm and is a better hitting switch hitter who has been drafted by the braves. play him, he needs no seasoning.
Bag-o Bats
July 26th, 2010
12:45 pm
Clump McClouth, Kowakami and Chavez into a package and trade them all for a bag of bats or maybe even a lawn mower for the grounds crew if we could catch the other team asleep for a minute.
Jay Dubu
July 26th, 2010
12:50 pm
Mark,
If Chavez is the 12th man, then what number is KK? What number is Dunn?
NOMORE BOBBY
July 26th, 2010
12:52 pm
I told everyone last week that Bobby would screw things up. Playing Nate is a sure example of how to lose. What does Nate have on Bobby?
Chef Mentuer
July 26th, 2010
12:56 pm
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