The view from Philly: First-place Braves are nothing special

The "easy out" celebrates a home run -- against Philadelphia. (AJC photo by Jason Getz)

The "easy out" celebrates a home run -- against Philadelphia. (AJC photo by Jason Getz)

Bob Ford of the Philadelphia Inquirer still believes the road to the World Series runs through Philadelphia, and maybe it does. A check of the NL East standings, however, reveals that the regal Phillies are six games behind a team that Mr. Ford doesn’t regard as anything special.

Writes Ford:

The Braves are a nice team, really nice in some ways, but the notion that leapfrogging the Braves would require super-human effort is ridiculous. The Phillies, if they play as they can, have nothing to worry about, either from Atlanta or from their alleged co-rivals, the Mets.

Me, I’m a worrier by nature. Were I six games behind the Bad News Bears with 70 games remaining, I’d be getting antsy. More Ford:

The Braves are nothing like the team that so recently dominated the division. Those Atlanta teams were built on great starting staffs, just enough offense and some decent power production in the launching pads of Fulton County Stadium and Turner Field.

What do the Braves have now? Well, they have a [six]-game lead over the Phillies and they have a great player in second baseman Martin Prado and an ace starter in Tim Hudson. Beyond that, they have as many peaks and valleys as any other team …

Beyond Hudson, Atlanta’s staff includes talented young Jair Jurrjens who is just back from the disabled list and carrying around a 4.75 ERA. Kris Medlen had a good first half of the season, but he has just 15 career starts and how he will hold up is unknown. There is Derek Lowe, who won Sunday to go 10-8, but with another ERA over four runs per game. There is Tommy Hanson , also just above .500 and another ERA over four runs. Perhaps on a given day, with one given game to win, Tim Hudson would be a problem, but there isn’t much separating the starting staff from that of the Phillies.

To be fair, Mr. Ford does credit the Braves as having the better bullpen, though he wonders if, “with one game to save, you’d feel any more comfortable with [Billy] Wagner than with Brad Lidge. By the end of the season, the difference could be minuscule.” (Well, I suppose it could.)

And the Braves’ offense, which has outhit Philly’s .261 to .255 and ranks first in the National League in on-base percentage — the Phillies are 12th — is likewise seen as inconsequential. Writes Mr. Ford:

On offense, the Braves are 12th in the National League in slugging percentage. Among their players with enough at-bats to be eligible for league leadership, only Prado is hitting better than .270. Troy Glaus and Brian McCann, the all-star MVP, have decent power numbers, but they are also easy outs. Chipper Jones, the holdover from the previous era, is battling a hamstring injury and has been inconsistent at the plate.

I am now going to cite a first baseman’s on-base percentage. It is .366. I am now going to cite another first baseman’s on-base percentage. It is .357. The first first baseman is Glaus. The second is Ryan Howard. Easy out, eh?

I could do this back-and-forth all day, but I’ll leave that to you. (Why should I have all the fun?) I will close with Mr. Ford’s closing argument, such as it is:

If the Phils don’t go for it this year, hopefully it won’t be because they think Braves are a magical, uncatchable team. The Braves are fine, but they aren’t as good as the real Phillies, should the real Phillies choose to show themselves this season.

The only NL East team truly capable of keeping the Phils out of the postseason isn’t found in an opposing dugout but in the mirrors of their own clubhouse.

360 comments Add your comment

Chris

July 20th, 2010
12:53 pm

Did I make it? A magic day?

CSpin

July 20th, 2010
12:54 pm

Philly Schmilly

Tommy

July 20th, 2010
12:57 pm

Almost first…

Myron Bolitar

July 20th, 2010
12:59 pm

Wow! McCann is an easy out? Why wouldn’t we feel more comfortable with our closer than they would their’s?

Myron Bolitar

July 20th, 2010
1:00 pm

Are Philly writers usually this “glass half full” when discussing their team’s chances?

Mark Bradley

July 20th, 2010
1:02 pm

Kudos, Chris

F-105 Thunderchief

July 20th, 2010
1:03 pm

Seventh!!!!!

Let's Go Bravos!

July 20th, 2010
1:04 pm

I hate Phillies fans and writers! Our starting pitching is ten times better than theirs, our bullpen is 20 times better than theirs, before Utley got hurt, Prado was playing better than him. We are better at Catcher, 2nd, third (when Chipper is healthy or Infante is in there), and Right Field (before Heyward hurt his thumb). Glaus and Howard are very comparable. I hope the Phillies win the Wild Card and then we have to play them. We’ll show them who is better!

Tim Tebow's Tears

July 20th, 2010
1:04 pm

hahahhahaha Just goes to show how warped their view of reality is

BCC0224

July 20th, 2010
1:04 pm

We also have the loyalty and respect of manager Bobby Cox by the players, who want to win it all in Bobby’s last year, to send him out on a high note…

Plus I don’t see the Phillies doing things like everyone leaving the dugout after a guy hits a walk-off homerun (McCloth in April) nor give a veteran a crowd-pleasing standing ovation, like the Braves did when Chipper got the game-winning hit. Those things may lead to a division title or even the World Series title.

Tenth?!?

Chris

July 20th, 2010
1:05 pm

Actually what Ford wrote is not altogether incendiary/kicking the ant hill. Other than giving McCann and the bullpen a little short shrift, he’s fairly accurate but he is leaving out that thing…that chemistry thing.
I know the famous Earl Weaver explanation of chemistry in baseball but there is something to a group of players jelling and picking each other up,,,other players putting pressure on each other is always more effective than most any coach’s influence.

j

July 20th, 2010
1:06 pm

This guy is a jerk-off. Braves have much better pitching. The Phils have been nothing sice they were caught stealing signs. They have cheated for the past 2 years and they suck now that they are on the same playing field as the rest of the league. I hope this fires the Braves up becasue we are much better than them.

JMayne

July 20th, 2010
1:06 pm

This guy is an idiot. I watched them last night against the cards. Not pretty. Kendrick allowed 3 bombs in one inning. And they were bombs, no cheapies. Better send a tweet to that guy in philly. Theres only 70 games left. Do the math. Its definitely not impossible, but every night the phils go out and give up 3 run leads, thats one lest game they have to make it up. Some quickies about the phils…5 games over .500, 5-5 in last 10 and dropeed 7 of 12 to the braves. They have time, but they better turn it around….quick. Go braves.

Reality Check

July 20th, 2010
1:07 pm

Mark, this just sounds like sour grapes to me. Atlanta has beaten the Phillies five of last six, so I do not think the Atl is scared of them. Even without the injuries something just doesn’t mesh with Phildelphia this year. If the hometown paper wants to spin it this way let them have it. Most Braves fans would take the division or wild card going into this year so we should battle for one or the other.

Matt Stigall

July 20th, 2010
1:07 pm

I love how the Phillies writer pick and chose his stats.

Sure Jurrjens has a high ERA, but did he look up his stats after returning from the DL?

Funny, he described previous Braves teams “were built on great starting staffs, just enough offense and some decent power production in the launching pads of Fulton County Stadium and Turner Field.” That’s exactly how I would describe the team this year.

Gumby

July 20th, 2010
1:07 pm

What else is he going to say? That the Phillies are a crappy team with no chance? He’s just writing local team propaganda. The Phillies are a good team but hopefully ours is better. Like Tom Glavine said on Sunday, it’s marathon with peaks and valleys.Right now it’s ours to lose.

Tim Tebow's Tears

July 20th, 2010
1:07 pm

chank a long chong

July 20th, 2010
1:07 pm

ok, really? i’ll give you a push or even give the phills the slight edge w/ hamels/halladay vs. hudson/jurrjens. but ur gonna take moyer, blanton and kendrick over hanson, lowe and medlen? really? i know i know, u only need 3 starters come post season, but u gotta make it there first! wild cards r gonna b hard 2 come by w/ st. louis and cincy dominating the otherwise deplorable central division!

F-105 Thunderchief

July 20th, 2010
1:08 pm

Let the first-place team be doubted all the way to the Series. Actually, the guy is right, the Braves could stumble. But, I’m not thinking it’s nearly as likely as he does.

Andy

July 20th, 2010
1:08 pm

There you go Bob Ford. Spin Jurrjens’ numbers like he can’t pitch.

CSpin

July 20th, 2010
1:09 pm

Why is this guy trying to deny that these are the “real” Phillies? The season is over half over! Sure you’ve got some key players on the DL, but the Phillies don’t have HALF of the depth our bench has. I mean, c’mon. Take the blinders off.

Chewbacca

July 20th, 2010
1:10 pm

Well what’s the view from ATL?

elroy

July 20th, 2010
1:11 pm

That’s Philadelphia for you. I believe the Braves are better than what that thinks but I do agree that the Phillies are still a strong team. Utley being out hurts them bad. Still much baseball to be played. my money is on the bravos.

dap01

July 20th, 2010
1:11 pm

I hope the actual Phillies think like that writer thinks. If they do, they will be watching the Braves play in October.

gadawgs

July 20th, 2010
1:11 pm

This guy Ford is a complete imbecile. If we were just talking about a two/three week stretch here and not the entire first half as a gauge he may have a point. The Braves rotation top to bottome is MUCH better than Philly. Halladay is the only starter that they have that is better than what we have and he cannot pitch every game. Also, our bullpen is much better than theirs as well. I would take Wags over Lidge any day of the week and twice on Sunday (that was stupid comment made by Ford). Our offense I believe has scored MORE runs than there vaunted murderers row has and if they trade Jason Werth they will be even less of a force. I love our team and our approach to the plate. We do not give up at bats and we have character and heart. Mr. Ford is wrong because these Braves as assembled will finsih ahead of his Phillies. One more thing Mr. Ford you say McCann is an easy out? Really? Seriously? The only time that Brian has struggled is when he could not SEE you idiot. Now that his eyes are fixed he is raking. Your assinine comments and lack of knowledge coupled with your lack of objectivity leaves one wondering who signs your check the Philadelphia (National) Inquirer or the Phillies. You sir have no credibility whatsover.

TampaGator

July 20th, 2010
1:13 pm

The Braves can’t match the Phillies starting lineup…even at second base. But I believe Hudson, right now, is every bit as good and reliable as the #1 starter for the Phils. And I will take any of the other Braves starters over any of the Phil starters….hands down. Bullpen….lights out in favor of the Braves…and I would take Wagner in one game over Lidge any day. Lidge will most likely lose the game for you. Wagner is mostly likely to strike out the side without even thinking about it. Wagner pitches with blinders on. Lidge is a head case. The Braves bench is better too. The Braves win the division in a close one…but not to the Phils….to the second place Mets….by 2 games. The Phils finish 7 back in 3rd place.

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Myron Bolitar

July 20th, 2010
1:15 pm

“decent power in launching pads of AFCS and Turner Field”. He’s calling OUR PLACE a launching pad? What is their place……Williamsport?

JMayne

July 20th, 2010
1:17 pm

The braves have a better offense this season. Better number of hits, batting avg, obp, and ops. Not even close in pitching. Better era by almost a half a run. 50 more strikeouts and the better batting avg against. The phils commit an errior every 62.07 chances….the braves commit one every 54.97 chances. Thats offense, defense, and pitching. That guy is an idiot. 70 games left. Down by 6 full games. Do the math. The phils are 4 games over .500!! The braves are a .5 game from having the best record in the leauge. phils are 5-5 in their last 10 and 7 of 12 to the braves. Sounds, looks like a .500 team to me. Go braves. Shut these idiots up.

Paul in RDU

July 20th, 2010
1:18 pm

Bob Ford is an idiot – The Philadelphia Inquirer’s baseball writing went down hill when Jason Stark left.

Bluestreak

July 20th, 2010
1:18 pm

Just like a Philly Phan (not an objective writer), no one can beat the Phillies…its only if the Phillies lose.

Chad

July 20th, 2010
1:19 pm

Here is a favorite quote of mine from the article:
“The Braves did make a Braves-like move recently, sending away talented, but undisciplined shortstop Yunel Escobar in favor of Alex Gonzalez, one of those quiet professionals more to the liking of their grumpy, old-school manager.”

Here is a Phillies-like move: making a great trade to get Halladay. However, sending Cliff Lee away for a pile of poo. Cliff Lee sure would look good in a Phils uniform right now.

The way I see it, I still believe the Phillies are a good team. They are dangerous. However, their pitching is crap. Halladay is a beast, that has been over worked, Moyer is a Jekyll and Hyde pitcher, Blanton is throwing batting practice, Hamels is decent and inconsistent, and Kendrick is terrible. Their bullpen stinks. Lidge has the same problems as Moyer.

Utley’s injury hurt them.

Never underestimate team chemistry.

WonderDawg

July 20th, 2010
1:19 pm

I think the key right now is Hanson. Which pitcher is he gonna be the second half? Dr Jekyll or Mr Hyde?

JMayne

July 20th, 2010
1:19 pm

thats supposed to say 5-5 in last 10 and lost 7 of 12 to the braves this season. Sorry i was blinded with fury.

AmosM

July 20th, 2010
1:22 pm

That’s funny. I was looking at Philly’s record the other day and recalling their recent games with Chicago and thinking maybe *they* were nothing special either. Perhaps we can rename our division the Nothing Special East so when the Braves win it, Philly writers and fans won’t feel so badly.

jeff c.

July 20th, 2010
1:22 pm

On paper, yes, the Phils are more talented. But just like our former SS Y. Escobar, they did not show up in the first half. Their ace pitcher Halladay has been getting pushed around a little recently, and no body other than Howard is clutch. I don’t see the Braves going on another 9 game skid, nor do I see Philly winning 9+ in a row. I belive the Phils are going to have to play .750 the rest of the way to have a chance.

Gumby

July 20th, 2010
1:23 pm

Bob Ford? Wasn’t it him and his brother Charlie that shot Jesse James in the back?

GT Alum

July 20th, 2010
1:26 pm

As long as we end the year in first place in the division, who cares what Ford or any other writer thinks? I thought this was going to have quotes from the folks in the Phillies’ clubhouse. I’d be more interested in their opinions, and I’d bet they’d be a lot less quick to dismiss the Braves.

The Real Brave

July 20th, 2010
1:27 pm

And why should we care what this …… says?

Ted M

July 20th, 2010
1:27 pm

when Utley comes back their offense could easily blow the Braves offense away (except catcher only 20 RBI from their top 2 catchers). But the Philly’s starters suck; Halladay barely over .500, the old man won’t a second half comparable to his first half, Kendrick stinks, Blanton stinks, Hamels maybe maybe not.

Braves win even if Rollins, Werth, Ibanez and Victorino turn it around offensively.

Mark Bradley

July 20th, 2010
1:29 pm

I have great respect for the Phillies. But the standings don’t lie. In 2010, the Braves have been a better team. Of their 20 most recent series, they’ve won or halved 19.

Steve

July 20th, 2010
1:29 pm

Typical answer I would expect from a Philly fan. I grew up in Western Pennsylvania and we never considered Philadelphia a part of PA!!!! :) The fact of the matter is our starting staff and bullpen in much better than the Phillie’s. I would give their offense a slight edge especially if they get Chase back. I think our Braves are for real this year and I think this is the best TEAM we have had! They are great team mates that pick each other up!

damien

July 20th, 2010
1:30 pm

One too many cheezesteaks for this idiot. He should be worried that its taking the “real” phillies to show themselves. The season is half over and the “real” team cant show up. philly ppl are stupid. cant understand the way they think.

DHD

July 20th, 2010
1:30 pm

I’m glad they feel this way. I hope they think we stink.

GT Alum

July 20th, 2010
1:33 pm

Also, this is probably a bit of dissatisfaction that’s brewing in Philly that the Phillies’ roster has supposedly gotten better this year (adding Halladay) but that they’re not playing anywhere near as well. If they end the season in third place, the fans might turn pretty ugly and display the type of behavior Philadelphia sports fans are known so well for.

Tim

July 20th, 2010
1:33 pm

So the point is that “IF the Phillie’s play up to their potential they can easily take the east”

If I had a dollar for every under-achieving team or person that didn’t get as far as they should have I’d be a rich man.

ArkyTech

July 20th, 2010
1:33 pm

Ha! Typical Philly writers. Setting up their home team in order to trash them later when they don’t meet the columnist’s expectations.

Johnny DangerDawg

July 20th, 2010
1:36 pm

Maybe is the Phillies pull out the binoculars and steal signs again they can get back into first place.

justdhoo

July 20th, 2010
1:36 pm

Ridiculous. The Braves have the best record IN THE MAJOR LEAGUES since our early 9 game losing streak. If they play like that the rest of the year, no matter how good Philly gets, 6 games is going to be tough if not impossible to make up.

Bruce Mac

July 20th, 2010
1:36 pm

I think the guy is exactly correct. If the Phillies played like the Phillies they win the East. The problem is they are not and don’t act like they are going to play like the Phillies. The Braves are no power house but are a nice team as he says. I am not sure there is a power house team in the Majors this year. The Yankees are not that good and Braves are at least as good as the Rays. Maybe Texas is the team in 2010, we will see. Just hope the Braves make playoffs for a change.

Philly Braves Fan

July 20th, 2010
1:36 pm

I grew up in Atlanta and Live in Philly….Ford is an absolute idiot. All of his pieces for the Inquirer are indicative of a writer who drinks the Kool Aid when it comes to the local teams. I listen to the sports talk radio stations here and the fans are beyond frustrated with an underperforming team…an IDIOT GM who traded away the possibilty of having Halladay & Lee go 1-2 ina rotation and these fair-weather fans already hate Ibanez and want Jason Werth-Less to be traded

30-24 Dawgs - We Run This State!

July 20th, 2010
1:37 pm

Too bad we don’t get to witness the Phillies losing in prime-time for the third night in a row tonight!

Herschel Talker

July 20th, 2010
1:38 pm

Bob Ford is a hack. He is in denial.

P Rose

July 20th, 2010
1:38 pm

Easy outs? The “real” Phillies? Turner Field – a launching pad? This guy is clueless!

NCBravesFan

July 20th, 2010
1:42 pm

Just a guess, but Mr. Ford may want to add a little fiber to his diet, and objective to his analysis …

P Rose

July 20th, 2010
1:42 pm

Joe Morgan once said, “The Braves weren’t any good until they got Fred McGriff. Sure, they went to the World Series in 91 and 92, but only because the rest of the National League wasn’t any good.”

Mark's for the Braves

July 20th, 2010
1:45 pm

We’ll see about all that. The Mets flame is flickering and the Phillies got their rear ends kicked by the Cubs in the first series after the break. At least we split with the Brewers.

If you ask me, it’s the Phillies who are beginning to look like a really beatable team. We’ll see…

DELAWARES ONLY BRAVES FAN

July 20th, 2010
1:45 pm

As a guy that lives just 30 miles south of the filthadelphia area.I had to live with thier mouths flapping for two years.As i write this the radio is full of cry babies.The talk now is to dump WORTH on anybody that will give them some pitching.But it is great listening to them cry.Buy sept. they can keep warm burning all of their world series tickets that they printed when they got HOLIDAY.

P Rose

July 20th, 2010
1:45 pm

…meanwhile, this just in: the Braves just picked up yet another half-game ahead of the Phillies.

Chase and Shane, sitting in a tree . . .

July 20th, 2010
1:46 pm

Jamie Moyer, enough said.

mikeymike

July 20th, 2010
1:47 pm

jeez…such denial. in any case, as i said to so many philly fans and supporters (with so much class) before the season, let us see in october.

$100 million dollar first baseman, really, is just outperforming Glaus(season-wise) by a couple HR’s and a handful of RBI’s. to add to that, Glaus’ power numbers have pretty much stayed put since that leg injury. Their all-star second baseman may be better in terms of career, but he sure isn’t this year. I’ll take Martin Prado and his league leading hitting any day of the week. As for our pitching, come on. Roy Halladay and who else? Blanton?

Like I said…such denial. But I guess it hurts with so much money invested to be in 3rd entering the third week of July.

JTH

July 20th, 2010
1:48 pm

Dear Mr. Bob Ford,

Denial is not a river in Egypt. The Fillies had a good run, now it’s over.

Moonlight Mile

July 20th, 2010
1:53 pm

Don’t totally disagree with the Philly writer on some of his points. Where I believe he is off is he assumes the Phillies have another gear and the Braves don’t. I absolutely believe the Braves haven’t yet played their best ball of the season.

Ramblin Wrecker

July 20th, 2010
1:53 pm

I myself am not looking at the standings and thinking we can coast…because I know the Phillies have firepower on offense. But one of those main pieces won’t be back until September…Chase Utley. And at this pace the Phillies will be 10 games out by then.

And a baseball fan worth his weight can look at the two pitching staffs and see who is better. If the Phillies pitching staff pitched to its highest level it would not match the best of the Braves. Comparing Lidge to Wagner is like insane. Wagner has never in his career crapped the bed like Lidge has.

Pedal to the floor boys!!!!

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Sutton's Fro

July 20th, 2010
1:57 pm

I think Bob Ford should take a look at what Frank Wren is doing before dismissing the Braves. Wren had obviously looked around the NL over the first half, and decided that the Braves have a great shot at the pennant.

The Phillies, Mets, Dodgers, and Cardinals are all below the bar they’ve set for themselves in recent years. The Reds and Padres (like the Braves) are having resurgent seasons, but neither seems dominant. Add the fact that the NL has home-field advantage in the WS (thanks to B-Mac!), the Braves have a legitimate shot to get Bobby and Chipper a ring in their final seasons.

If I were a Phillie fan (terrifying thought), I would be worried the Braves are still looking to improve the team. They’re not dumping salary, or calling up young players to get experience. This team isn’t going to beaten simply because the Phillies return to form.

Philly Braves Fan

July 20th, 2010
1:59 pm

Another big difference in Philly & Atlanta…..Philly players have now, on two occasions called out their fans for being “front-runners” JRoll did it last year and Victorino implied it in an interview last week….

My View

July 20th, 2010
1:59 pm

Wow. Maybe that guy should give the Dawgs a pregame speech in Jax.

j

July 20th, 2010
2:00 pm

Bob Ford: Please remove head from butt.

Mitchell

July 20th, 2010
2:02 pm

Philadelphia’s answer to Mark Bradley.

All I can say is, try telling that to the Phillies themselves. I think it would be a pretty difficult task to convince the players in that clubhouse that they have the slightest chance.

I mean, they may but I don’t get the feeling they really believe it. Not they way they looked after we kicked their @$$es the last time.

Shane Victorino standing with his head down at the wall as Matty’s homerun sailed over the fence in center field pretty much said it all.

Shane Victorino, a Braves killer no less! Hanging his head in defeat for what seemed like five minutes. Watch the highlight. You’ll see what I’m talking about.

G Morris

July 20th, 2010
2:04 pm

Braves will win the NLE by default (bc Mets & Phils are self-destructing). That’s basically all the article says.

Braves problem in the playoffs will be having Wagner trying to close games. Check his career post season ERA at 10+. Phils shipped in out after blowing several games at the end of 2005/6 keeping them out of the playoffs.

whensidslid92

July 20th, 2010
2:06 pm

“Jair Jurrjens who is just back from the disabled list and carrying around a 4.75 ERA…”

This guy obviously didn’t do his homework. Hasn’t he recognized the dominance of Jurrjens post DL stint? I mean he should have had a first row view when Jurrjens 1 hit the Phils for 6 innings a couple weeks ago.

Who is this guy?

G Morris

July 20th, 2010
2:06 pm

Hey Philly Braves Fan … Braves fans aren’t front-runners…which is obvious by the fact that the teams in 1st and the fans still don’t show up.

Paddy

July 20th, 2010
2:06 pm

I trust the sports writers with the AJC will not write a similar piece about any of the teams in our division.

the buck stops somewhere

July 20th, 2010
2:08 pm

Bobby Cox …grumpy?

whensidslid92

July 20th, 2010
2:09 pm

“The Braves are nothing like the team that so recently dominated the division. Those Atlanta teams were built on great starting staffs, just enough offense and some decent power production in the launching pads of Fulton County Stadium and Turner Field.”

Um…I think he just described our current team…aside from the fact who calls Turner Field “a launching pad”. I guess Citizen’s Bank is a T-Ball field compared to our “launching pad” site.

What a joke.

Philly Braves Fan

July 20th, 2010
2:09 pm

G Morris,
As I tell the idiots in Philly all the time….Georgia is about Nascar and College football. Although I am bigger fans of the Braves & Falcons, they just dont show up for the games….where as in Philly fans appear regardless of the sport, as long as they are winning…as evidenced by the crowds of Philly’s pro soccer team

jbird

July 20th, 2010
2:11 pm

I just sent BOB an email calling him out…I will let you know if I get an email back.

Time will tell

July 20th, 2010
2:12 pm

Mr. Ford may be right. Then again, over the course of a 162-game schedule, you are going to be exactly what you are. That is the beauty of baseball, even in the wild-card era. Time will tell.

Philly Braves Fan

July 20th, 2010
2:12 pm

Jbird, so did I….he is not known for having the balls to admit when he has made a mistake….doubt you will hear back

jbird

July 20th, 2010
2:13 pm

whensidslid92

July 20th, 2010
2:09 pm

He was not referring to Turner Field as the Launching Pad…..that was the nickname of Fulton County Stadium.

Pat Geno

July 20th, 2010
2:14 pm

That boy is on cheesesteak overload. He sounds just like one of those buttsniffers from Athens, GA.

Hankie Aron

July 20th, 2010
2:15 pm

Mark,
I think maybe Ford has got the same arrogant feelings about the Phillies a lot of our fair weather fans in Atlanta did during our 14 year run. Spoiled fans that thought the National League East was a given every year as long as we showed up because of our consistency. There is a chance the Phil get hot and play like they have the last 3 years but me thinks times and teams change and their run at least this year is OVER.

whensidslid92

July 20th, 2010
2:16 pm

jbird–

“launching padS of Fulton County Stadium AND Turner Field.”

English 101: The “s” makes “launching pad” plural. The “and” also gives the sentence plurality.

Anything poor journalism or ignorance. I don’t care either way. Joke.

JDHGT

July 20th, 2010
2:17 pm

I’m tired of people calling out the Braves for attendance..We actually don’t do that badly (especially when you consider how much bigger our stadium is than almost every other team). See the numbers here: http://espn.go.com/mlb/attendance

Sometimes it looks worse than it is…due to the large stadium. In fact, our numbers are usually very close to what the Mets draw.

As far as the Phillies not being front runners, go back and check those attendance numbers from 2002 and 2003..back when the Phillies were drawing around 20,000 per game… Pathetic…

Philly Braves Fan

July 20th, 2010
2:17 pm

“some decent power production in the launching pads of Fulton County Stadium and Turner Field”

Pads is Plural…so the reference is for Fulton County & Turner

jbird

July 20th, 2010
2:19 pm

Philly Braves Fan

July 20th, 2010
2:12 pm

I was just reading some of the comments on the Philly page and it looks like they don’t agree with him either, lol.

I told him it’s clear that he is more of a fan then a writer but that it was OK because I am too. GO BRAVES!

SportsFan

July 20th, 2010
2:20 pm

OK…OK…part 2:

Who are the “real Phillies”? Could it be the team Mr. Ford WISHES were the “Phillies”…in that case, his team is in his IMIGINATION…the truth is the “real whichever team” is what it is. Seems to me I hear a “death rattle” in the throat of Mr. Ford…in addition to the proverbial, “whislting thru the graveyard” behavior. (Wasn’t it always fun as a kid to say, “I’m not scared”, when truth was, you were about to “pee” yourself and YOU KNEW IT!!!…that’s what this is so obviously a person seeking to feel better about his team. How would you feel as you know you spent the last two seasons in the World Seeries and this year you may not even be the “Wildcard’ team…

Truth is…when a fan’s team is not performing, the fans tend to look for excuses (ie the injuries, etc.) or devaluate the competition (they’re just “lucky” or they’re really not very good or talented, they’re just all playing over their heads or having “break-out” years)…tell me this doesn’t sound like the last time you got “waxed” in your golf foursome and you didn’t employ some of Mr. Ford’s same logic. For God’s sake, It can’t be about THEIR failure to produce…and has anyone stopped to think how maybe the “stars aligned” a bit for the Phillies over the last couple of years anyway…maybe, just maybe, they weren’t so much the “team for the ages” after all…seems to me it didn’t take too much personnel change or too many injuries to bring them “back to earth” (get Roy Halladay and “the rest of the ‘east’ will throw in the towel”…b/t/w, same goes for the Mets…Johan Santana and “big boppers” were going to “single-handedly” bring them a world championship)…sorry but we need not get ahead of ourselves, all the games still have to be played…and along that note:

Every team has injuries and DL “issues”…(the Braves have had their share too this year and the last two also) we have about 32 games left w/i our division and looking at the cumulative records, each team has about a 500 record…so the way I figure it, nobody’s gonna “lay down” for the other and the last couple of years when the Braves have had to play “spolier” it was FUN to whack on the “Muts” in ‘08 and “Phils” even at the end of the season and I suspect that will be happening right up to the end…oh…I almost forgot, do we think Mr. Strasburg (of the DC variety) is gonna “shake in his boots” to face the “Mightly Phils” (or any other east team for that matter) or will he relish the idea of the challenge and want to do his best every time out…’nough said…now let’s plays the games and see how it all turns out…I suspect that if the Braves can play at about a .540 clip the rest of the way…the division is theirs…now that means the Phils better “crank it up” several notches…let’s say, maybe playing at a .630 clip from here on out and given their current .522…I’m just not sure that will be so easy…and quite frankly, I think Mr. Ford is just mentally and emotionally preparing himself for the uncomfortable reality of “it ain’t gonna happen for us this year” and this is just a way to make it easier to “swallow”.

GStateBen

July 20th, 2010
2:20 pm

So, both teams have 70 games to play. The Braves have a 6 game lead and the Phillies only have 6 more games head-to-head. That means if the Braves went .500 (35-35) the rest of the way, the Phillies would have to win 42 games (at a ridiculous .600 winning %) in that same span.

Not going to happen. Wave good bye Phillies fans!

The Braves will win this division by double digits.

jbird

July 20th, 2010
2:21 pm

whensidslid92

July 20th, 2010
2:16 pm

who pissed on your breakfast this morning???

Philly Braves Fan

July 20th, 2010
2:22 pm

Good for you jbird…..the fans hear are unbelievable brutal….In Lidge’s first year here….they LOVED him….his is now booed on a regular basis….they also hated McNabb….and he is the one the brought the Iggles (as they say here) a consistent winner

RomeDawg

July 20th, 2010
2:26 pm

Potential has NEVER won a division. Production will EVERY time. On paper we are not great, but these Braves ARE damn good.

JDHGT

July 20th, 2010
2:27 pm

By the way…I hope some of the players read this piece..

Athens Mike

July 20th, 2010
2:27 pm

We may not have a slugger like Ryan Howard, but like you show Mark, Glaus’ OBP is higher. Runs in the post steroid era do not come from home runs. Small ball rules the day and the Braves to it well. Also, ERAs are fun to talk about, but the Braves keep winning games. That is the only stat that matters.

whensidslid92

July 20th, 2010
2:30 pm

jbird-

you want to hold hands and sing kumbayah?

First of all, this writer shows no knowledge of the situation whatsoever which makes it laughable to me that he would even try to write this.

Secondly, you tried to call me out about my braves fan-dom…big mistake dawg.

Somebody didn’t piss on my breakfast…they dumped.

K.Street

July 20th, 2010
2:30 pm

Ford says that they need to start hitting like the “true” Phillies, that team was lost when everyone in America saw them cheating from the dugout by stealing signs. Any major league hitter should be able to hit well if they know what pitch is coming!

Milt Famey

July 20th, 2010
2:30 pm

I guess Bob Ford has never pitched in the majors against the likes of B McCann so I would not give much credibility to his statement about B-Mac being an easy out. My guess is that the closest thing he has to being a major leaguer is his last name. Ah, Whitey Ford, now there was a fine left hander.

Bryan G.

July 20th, 2010
2:31 pm

Mark – while the writer may have a point, the win numbers aren’t in Philly’s favor.

If the Braves just go .500 the rest of the year, they win 89 games. For the Phillies to win 90 games, they have to go 42-28 – .600 baseball. That’s a pretty big swing with 70 games to go.

I’m not saying it isn’t doable, but you’d have to assume the Braves will win 92-95 games (they are on pace to win 95).

If the Braves win 95 games, Philly has to go 46-24 to beat the Braves…that’s almost .667 ball.

Huh?

July 20th, 2010
2:32 pm

I’d say after a 90 game sample size, the real Phillies have shown themselves.

And I don’t want to hear about injuries from them either. Everyone has them and everyone deals with them. Build a better farm system if you are that worried about injuries.

chem

July 20th, 2010
2:33 pm

If Jurrjens and Hanson pitch to their career averages for the rest of the season, the braves win >60% of their remaining games leaving the Phillies in the dust. This team has as much — if not more — pitching than the Braves teams that dominated the Phillies in the 90’s. Hudson, Hanson, Jurrjens are all potential Cy Young winners over the next few years. Medlen will be joining the ranks of those three soon, and Lowe is a solid, very well-paid 5th starter.

Andy

July 20th, 2010
2:33 pm

What a bunch of crap. I find it funny that he is actually trashing the Braves pitching staff when the Phils entire staff is nothing special after Doc Halladay. Their next best pitcher is 1000 year old Jaimie Moyer who the Braves just touched up for 7 runs not two weeks ago. By the way Lidge has a 4.32 ERA and Wagner has a 1.15 ERA. Is this dope really trying to say that there is no difference between the two? I will take Wagner over Lidge any day of the week. The Braves have a 3.66 team ERA and the Phils have a 4.09 team ERA. If he wants to say that the Phils offense is more explosive than the Braves then I am fine with that but to compare pitching staffs is ridiculous. If the Phils do lose out on the title I am sure that this idiot will give no credit to the Braves and will blame it all of injuries and the Phils “choosing not to show themselves”. Give me a break!

chucktown brave

July 20th, 2010
2:35 pm

Magic number is currently at 65

bruce

July 20th, 2010
2:36 pm

from Philly blog by their mlb beat writer Zolecki… http://zozone.mlblogs.com/

Now, I know you can’t just throw out Halladay’s and Hamels’ numbers. But Amaro and Manuel see the other three spots and wonder how they’re going to catch the Braves in the NL East with so much inconsistency.

The Braves are on pace to win 97 games, but let’s say they stumble a bit in the second half and finish with 92. The Phillies would need to go 45-29 (.608) the rest of the way just to tie them.

The Rockies are on pace to win the NL wild card with 90 wins. Even then the Phillies would need to go 43-31 (.581) the rest of the way to tie.

shawn

July 20th, 2010
2:37 pm

Another column from a writer who has no clue what he is talking about…If I am six games behind, I would not be running my mouth..nice job Ford (idiot)

Matt the Brave

July 20th, 2010
2:38 pm

Ok, how many games did Lidge blow last year? And how many this year when he’s actually pitched? Really?! Guh. Stupid Phillies fans. I’ll be happy when they’re in the bottom half of the NL again.

Andy

July 20th, 2010
2:38 pm

What a bunch of crap. I find it funny that he is actually trashing the Braves pitching staff when the Phils entire staff is nothing special after Doc Halladay. Their next best pitcher is 1000 year old Jaimie Moyer who the Braves just touched up for 7 runs not two weeks ago. By the way Lidge has a 4.32 ERA and Wagner has a 1.15 ERA. Is this dope really trying to say that there is no difference between the two? I will take Wagner over Lidge any day of the week. The Braves have a 3.66 team ERA and the Phils have a 4.09 team ERA. If he wants to say that the Phils offense is more explosive than the Braves then I am fine with that but to compare pitching staffs is ridiculous. If the Phils do lose out on the title I am sure that this idiot will give no credit to the Braves and will blame it all of injuries and the Phils “choosing not to show themselves”.

BravesAC

July 20th, 2010
2:40 pm

I heard the Philly announcers on XM during the last Braves/Phillies series. The announce said Medlin is ok but he wouldn’t be beating the Phillies if they had their regular lineup. They went on to say “Medlin is the kind of pitcher the Phiilies tear up”.
Nice prideful bunch those Phillies. LeBron would fit right in.

Dirty Dawg

July 20th, 2010
2:40 pm

Just think how cocky this a-holes would be if they’d have won 15 Division titles – or ever how many it was, I forget, and it really doesn’t matter – in a row instead of, what, two? This is my bet, if Philadelphia beats us then Buck Belue kicks Kincaid’s butt..OK?

Wren Hater

July 20th, 2010
2:41 pm

The view OF Philly?

Imagine you have just depressed the lever on your toilet.

Look down at the swirl.

There is your view OF Philly.

sleeze

July 20th, 2010
2:41 pm

If they switched Philly.com’s sports columnists with the AJC.com’s sports columnists, would anybody really know the difference?

Philly Braves Fan

July 20th, 2010
2:44 pm

Braves AC…I also heard that…and the funny thing is this was about 2-3 weeks after the Tiger’s Manager said he was thoroughly impressed with Medlin….

Corky Miller's Beer Gut

July 20th, 2010
2:46 pm

I love it… Please make sure the players get a look at the article. Glaus and McCann for sure. All Star MVP is an easy out this guy must be trying to change careers what a clown.

Goose Creek Brave

July 20th, 2010
2:46 pm

Enter your comments here
Until today I had never heard of Bob Ford…I had heard of Henry Ford and Whitey Ford though.

Phillie Phan

July 20th, 2010
2:48 pm

All you Braves’ fans have got to admit one thing — The Phillies have the Phanatic and you don’t.

Corky Miller's Beer Gut

July 20th, 2010
2:48 pm

I think that everyone on this site sometime today should send a message to BOB just let him know that he is a clown.

This is what I emailed to Mr. Ford

July 20th, 2010
2:49 pm

Bob. Oh, Bob.

It’s a shame firejoemorgan.com is no longer active because they surely would have had fun with Monday’s ‘Phils’ biggest obstacle is themselves’ column.

But since that since that site is no more, I guess the responsibility to point out the shortcomings of your article falls to me.

—You call Turner Field a “launching pad.” It most certainly is not. According to baseballreference.com, Turner Field has a multi-year park factor of 98 for both batters and pitchers. Any score over 100 is considered a hitter’s park and anything under 100 is deemed a pitcher’s park. But the point that Turner Field is a hitter’s haven really wasn’t integral to your argument. I just wanted to point out the silliness of what you said. I digress…

—You say this: “ Bookending their bad start and their hot four weeks, the Braves have since lolled about playing just over .500 baseball.” Wrong. Any way you want to measure it, that’s simply not true. Since the 20-5 stretch, the Braves are 21-15, which equates to a .583 winning percentage. Over the last month, the Braves have gone 15-10 for a winning percentage of .600. Over their last 15 games, the Braves are 9-6 for a .600 winning percentage. Why did you say something that has so little basis in fact?

—You cite Tim Hudson’s W-L record as a reliable gauge of whether he can “carry a team to a division win.” What century are you in? In no way do wins and losses reflect how good a pitcher is.

—You say that “there isn’t much separating the starting staff from that of the Phillies.” Atlanta has a 3.85 ERA from their starters, and that’s with 15 starts from Kenshin Kawakami, who is no longer in the rotation. Philly’s starters ERA? 4.09. A quarter of a run worse than Atlanta’s. Also, as you mentioned, Jair Jurrjens is back in the Atlanta rotation. But, what you fail to mention is the fact that since returning from injury, Jurrjens has a 2.56 ERA. This coming from a guy who had a 2.60 ERA all of last year. I think it’s safe to say that replacing Kawakami with Jurrjens makes the Atlanta rotation much better than Philadelphia’s. In fact, if you replace all of Kawakami’s 2010 starts with a pitcher with a 3.00 ERA (which we can reasonably assume Jurrjens would have been if he had not been injured due to his career numbers), the Braves’ team starters ERA would be 3.64. Still thinking the Philly rotation compares?

—Inexplicably, you say: “The real question, though is whether, with one game to save, you would feel any more comfortable with Wagner than you do with Brad Lidge.” Why yes, Bob. Yes, I would feel more comfortable with Wagner. And if you even cursorily glance at the stats, you would agree. I mean, how is this even close? Wagner has been one of the two or three best closers in baseball this year, and Lidge has been, well, Lidge. What you said is akin to asking someone whether they would rather go to a Bruce Springsteen concert or a Justin Bieber show. Gimme The Boss please, and it’s not even close.

—You say that Atlanta’s offense is 12th in the NL in slugging percentage, but fail to acknowledge that they have the the league’s best on-base percentage, which offsets the lack of power and is why the Braves are 7th in the NL in runs.

—You say that Troy Glaus and Brian McCann are easy outs. And now you’re just rabble rousing. Troy Glaus is 24th in the league in on-base percentage. Brian McCann is 11th. So as it turns out, Glaus and McCann are not easy outs. They are actually the 24th and 11th best players in the league at NOT making outs.

I don’t expect you to respond to this e-mail, but I hope that you read it. I know you are doing your job, which is writing for a PHILLY paper, not an Atlanta paper, but I don’t think that gives you a pass for blatant homerism.

Corky Miller's Beer Gut

July 20th, 2010
2:51 pm

bford@phillynews.com
for anyone else that wants to send ol BOB their thoughts.

Philly Braves Fan

July 20th, 2010
2:53 pm

Phillie Phan,
Honestly…the Phanatic is pretty juvenile. If you listen to 97.5 FM up here, which is ESPN Radio, all of the radio personalities (Mickey Mis, Gonzo, etc) admit the Phantic quit being funny after the age of 8

Furman Bitcher

July 20th, 2010
2:53 pm

You sure that was Bob Ford? Or was it Robert Gibbs. It sounds like the same crap I hear out of the White House.

jbird

July 20th, 2010
2:53 pm

whensidslid92

July 20th, 2010
2:30 pm

yeah, looks like I made a BIG mistake..LOL

you obviously are very sensitive to other peoples comments and wouldn’t be after eating sh*t this morning but l I was doing was letting you know that was the nickname of the old stadium.

I do know from now on I better watch my P’s and Q’s around you….LMAO!

Keith

July 20th, 2010
2:54 pm

That was probably his job. To point out our weaknesses and skew the numbers the Phillies way….so he can encourage the fans and maybe provide a little influence to the Management to go out and get that arm or bat or whatever….

You’re right..if he would have examined runs scored in the late innings, wins at last ABs, walks, bullpen ERA, and OB pct, then he would have written a different story. :)

They say that figures don’t lie, but liars figure.

He spinned it the Phils way to build confidence and faith in their team.

We know better. ;)

Dan

July 20th, 2010
2:54 pm

I think it’s funny he cites slugging percentage. It’s unquestionably a valuable stat but consider where they play half of their games and it might become a bit more clear as to why their slugging is higher but their on-base isn’t.

Further, the idea that Turner is a launching pad could not be more wrong. Atlanta-Fulton County was a hitters park but anyone with a brain knows Turner is fair but leans towards being a pitcher’s park.

Brvesfan

July 20th, 2010
2:56 pm

jbird….who the heck is that guy???what an a**
I say we change his name to Mr. Sensitive!

Furman Bitcher

July 20th, 2010
2:56 pm

Um Bob, The Braves are 6 games better than the Phils and after they lose to Carpenter tonight they will be 7 games back.

Rob

July 20th, 2010
2:58 pm

Mccann an easy out? The guy who had the biggest hit for the Nat league in 14 years and won the game and mvp an easy out? This guy is a moron. The phillies are done. Their pitching is horrible. They will be 10 back by the end of the month.

Dan

July 20th, 2010
2:58 pm

Excellent post, This is what I emailed. Kudos for pointing out that a pitcher’s W-L record means NOTHING.

I’d also like to know what their team ERA is independent of Roy Halladay’s. He definitely skews their pitching stats.

Smack

July 20th, 2010
2:58 pm

O how sweet it will be to be celebrating our Division Title in their faces the last series of the season!

RamblinWreck2011

July 20th, 2010
2:59 pm

Sounds like somebody is jealous!

Dan

July 20th, 2010
3:02 pm

Hopefully we close it out a lot earlier than that, Smack.

Dejuvu

July 20th, 2010
3:02 pm

Perhaps the Phillies need to change the color of their uniforms to yellow..If I didn’t know better, I’d swear that Ford was “4NCS are better than 1″.

Smack

July 20th, 2010
3:04 pm

Agreed Dan! But maybe at least get out the new banner for the left-center field awning and shake it at ‘em!

falcondawg

July 20th, 2010
3:06 pm

I just want to say THANKS to Bob Ford for making us better by writing this article. I sure hope the locker room got a copy!

Todd

July 20th, 2010
3:07 pm

Mark you should send this dolt a copy of your recent article where you compare the braves to AL teams and how they function. This guy is clueless. Even ol roy got hammered last night. They have no pitching. And did you see Damon’s baserunning blunder last night that cost detroit the win? Haha. Ol damon could be playing on a first place heading to the playoffs team.

jimmymack

July 20th, 2010
3:08 pm

we need a big bat in left or center

Todd

July 20th, 2010
3:08 pm

Where is my post? Sheesh.

Chief Pitchanono

July 20th, 2010
3:08 pm

Yeah this is just a pep rally article, most of the philly writers have been in panic mode for about 2 months now and gues it was just time to write something different. It will be easy for writers to doubt this Braves team if your just looking through a stat sheet, because no their are no real superstar names or stats for that matter, except maybe Hudson and Prado’s. so I would expect this to continue if we make the playoffs. What he doesn’t tell you is what we all know, this Braves team has something you can’t write on paper, and thats chemistry, they know how to win as a team. Every part is equal and they all lean on each other to come away with a win. Braves just need to keep on keep’n on, and they will be fine. Bobby is real good at concentrating on the series at hand and not worrying about other teams, and thats just what they need to do, win series and not worry about the Phills, they can think about how they somehow knocked off goliath after they clinch the division.

whensidslid92

July 20th, 2010
3:08 pm

jbird

July 20th, 2010
2:53 pm

Thanks for taking note. Kumbayah.

NEW CARS

July 20th, 2010
3:09 pm

The difference between this Braves version and some of the last few years comes in the form of a stronger bench and bullpen..If we could somehow swap Cabrera and a middling prospect for Chris Young…I know he’s not a superstar, sort of Mike Cameronesque, then we could platoon Matt and McLouth if Nate gets back to hitting and our bench goes back to strength that it was earlier in the year..We are much stronger when Hinske, Conrad, Infante, Ross and the fourth OF are available off the bench…Remember Norton, Diory, Corky Miller…Now we have guys that can give the starters a break and deliver in the pinch….And that bullpen is the best I can remember from 1-6…

Go Braves!

July 20th, 2010
3:09 pm

I would like to nominate Bob Ford for DOUCHE of the day!!!! Go Braves!!!

TM

July 20th, 2010
3:10 pm

Outside of a few inflammatory comments, I believe Mr. Ford is just pandering to his Philly readers. I’m sure he believe’s that with this article freshly on the minds of the Phillies, they will respond and catch fire to win the east/national league/world series.

Paaaaaaaaaa-lease.

Mr. Ford, keep writing these kinds of stories so it will be easier to beat the Phillies. And their fans will be jumping off bridges by the dozens by season’s end.

oh that glorious day

July 20th, 2010
3:11 pm

i remember a day when I was at the braves-phillies game and watched brad lidge blow yet ANOTHER game….. just sayin

Corky Miller's Beer Gut

July 20th, 2010
3:12 pm

Well I just sent o’l Bob a letter with facts that prove his “facts incorrect” I also told him he should be more worried about the Marlins catching this Philies than the Phillies catching the Braves. I also sent him a ebay link for clown shoes

Skeezix

July 20th, 2010
3:12 pm

If I was to select one of the Ford brands to describe Mr. Bob Ford as a journalist–it would be an Edsel.

SG10

July 20th, 2010
3:12 pm

We need more writers like him in the Philly camp. The more they write, more complacent they will become. I would rather have Phillies asleep and in serious funk that they are in right now. I hope, before they realize, this season will pass by.

jim

July 20th, 2010
3:13 pm

Interesting that Ford dissects our starting pitching staff. Someone remind me, after Halliday, exactly who does Philly have to start? I thought so – Ford, sit down and shut up.

GT Fan

July 20th, 2010
3:14 pm

Boy Philly gets good for what 3 years and all of a sudden they are world beaters and have a “real” team.

Imagine if they had won 14 years in a row…(ahem, like the Braves)

CDUB

July 20th, 2010
3:16 pm

Bob Ford should stick to his specialty, olympic sports.

cheshire

July 20th, 2010
3:16 pm

Ha – what a strange article.

The whole article seems like the crazed ranting by a man in denial of the reality he sees around him. He even cherry picks stats in an effort convince himself how good the Phillies really are, reality be damned. For example, he tries to boil the offensive comparison down to batting average, but ignores that OBP has been shown to be a much better indicator of how many runs a team will score. You can’t just say “well, our batting average is only 5 points lower than their, so we’re just about as good a team as they are”. That’s ridiculous. In June the Royals were leading the AL in batting average, so it’s not THAT key an indicator of where your offense is.

Second, he spends a lot of the article comparing the real version of the Braves with a fantasy version of the Phils. I think this is where sports writers and fans get way to obsessed with expectations. This guy is so convinced in what he believed about the Phillies heading into the season that he is trying to ignore what the Phillies have actually done in reality so far. There is a reason they actually play the game on the field as opposed to just holding up historical stats for each team and rewarding the trophy to the team with the best numbers.

At any rate, i hope this makes the Braves bulletin board and inspires them to continue crushing the Phillies in the 2nd half.

DawginNYC

July 20th, 2010
3:17 pm

Don’t take it so personally, fellow Brave fans. This is what happens when you HAVE team chemistry and when you ARE in first place. This is what happens when they hate you – because you are better than them. I’ll take it.

glove51

July 20th, 2010
3:18 pm

“with one game to save, you’d feel any more comfortable with [Billy] Wagner than with Brad Lidge. By the end of the season, the difference could be minuscule.”

DELUSIONAL

Skeezix

July 20th, 2010
3:21 pm

I still can’t believe the Venters/Cox suspensions. Is Bob watson related to Princess Fielder or friend to his Dad? What is going on here? — especially after they hit Heyward (maybe wasn’t intentional) but then definitely intentionally hit Glaus. What gives Mark?

benchwarmer

July 20th, 2010
3:21 pm

It was my misfortune to live in Philly for a couple of years. That is to put it nicely, a different kind of place with a different kind of people. They suffer from a city wide self esteem problem which makes them rather rude a blustery to compensate. To do anything other than ignore their blather is wrong!

bigstack19

July 20th, 2010
3:27 pm

That is why they play the games. If it were solely based on talent the Phillies could have been handed the N.L. Pennant in April as they are the most talented team in the National League. You have to play the games and last I looked Philly has lost 5 of 6 to these Braves.

Mark Bradley's Fan Club

July 20th, 2010
3:27 pm

Hey Mark– Why can’t you be this optimistic when discussing the Braves’ chances when they’re 3rd in the standings?

Hammer This

July 20th, 2010
3:28 pm

This guy is an idiot. Turner Field is not a launching pad. What about that Cracker Jack Box in Philly? I’ve seen pop-ups go out of there!

Hammer This

July 20th, 2010
3:29 pm

That homerun that Pujols hit off of Lidge in the NLCS just flew by my window! C’mon, Lidge over Wagner.

Ron Jirsa

July 20th, 2010
3:30 pm

Turner Field a launching pad? Other then that he makes good points.

KimZ'sPackage

July 20th, 2010
3:31 pm

It is great to write for and back the home team, but Ford is taking the Brave a lil lightly I believe.

TennesseePaul

July 20th, 2010
3:32 pm

McCann Since June 5th: .301/.381/.520/.902

Not an easy out.

jacketbrave

July 20th, 2010
3:33 pm

PRICELESS the look on their face when they r losing!

Gen Neyland

July 20th, 2010
3:33 pm

From the city that boos Santa Claus, has an o.k. sandwich named after them and a misnomer in the slogan, The City of Brotherly Love (or maybe not), I’m a thinking the statement made by Bob Ford is mostly represented by the soft white cream cheese named after his town in which one spreads on bagels. A grain of salt, my friends, a tiny grain of salt…

PTC DAWG

July 20th, 2010
3:34 pm

Phils suck, always have. Always will.

BuckheadBrave

July 20th, 2010
3:34 pm

Philadelphia has never been mistaken for a cordial or graceful anything, does it surprise this is how they will go down? Kicking and screaming like a little 2 year old girl. It is a misinformed article, from a whiny little sports writer in a disgusting cesspool of a city.

BravesLover

July 20th, 2010
3:36 pm

We have two pitchers we can count on week in and week out. Hanson is lost on the mound and is a number 4 starter at best. Face it, Glaus is an easy out unless he’s “riding the streak” which will hopefully happen at playoff time but no guarantees with that. McCann is a double play machine unfortunately and Chipper continues the slide to oblivion. But even with all this…the Braves have IT this year. I’m loving their scrappiness and demonstrative enthusiasm. I’m glad the poker-faced, no emotion days of Chipper and Glavine are gone. It’s been worth the $160 mlb cost this year to watch them. Keep on rolling Bravos.

jbird

July 20th, 2010
3:36 pm

whensidslid92

July 20th, 2010
3:08 pm

see….don’t you feel better? my lord, Kumbayah…

kerryb

July 20th, 2010
3:37 pm

I read the article. Total Philly homer trying to make his readers feel good about their team that is spiraling downhill. I think they will finish about where they are at. Only one quality pitcher who is starting to look a little shaky, no bullpen, average outfield, and a second or third tier catcher. I don’t think we have anything to worry about. I know the northeast media like ESPN will try to build them up but they are toast. They could get a starting pitcher but most out there to trade are #3 starters at best.

Brave4life-1995 all over again

July 20th, 2010
3:39 pm

They are just mad, let em’ be jealous

MaxxBrave

July 20th, 2010
3:39 pm

What this Philly clown doesn’t mention in hit article is that the Braves have a ton of utility players that step up and play well in the clutch, including Brooks Conrad, Eric Hinske, ALL_STAR Omar Infante, Alex Gonzales, the MLB leader in Shortstop Homers, rookie phenom Jason Heward, and once McLouth gets healthy again we will be at full strength. He doesn’t mention that the Braves lead the majors in walk-off wins, or that we absolutely dominate the Phillies when Halladay isn’t on the mound. So, obviously this pompous Philadelphia sportswriter can’t handle the fact that his Phillies aren’t going anywhere this year, are a mediocre squad, and that Jason Werth is banging Jennifer Utley

PTC DAWG

July 20th, 2010
3:39 pm

Phils are rolling downhill like a snowball headed for hell!!

NickGranite

July 20th, 2010
3:39 pm

Tell Mr Ford we just sent a 1-9 pitcher to the bullpen who has an ERA lower than 3 of his starters. Everytime I might get a little nervous about the Phils, up pops their 3, 4, 5 pitchers in the rotation. The comment about Jurrjens carrying around the 4.75 was the usual journalistic lie by omission. He’s shaved off a run since coming back from the DL and is looking pretty good over the last 3 starts.

evan

July 20th, 2010
3:39 pm

I hate philly.

The fans, the teams, the players, the city.

FOD

It's a shame what he did to that dog

July 20th, 2010
3:40 pm

The Phillies “ace” starter is 10-8.

Philly fans like to puke on each other.

It's a shame what he did to that dog

July 20th, 2010
3:41 pm

Philly can’t do much now because they forked over a ton of money to keep Ryan Howard from leaving. Must suck to be them.

Corky Miller's Beer Gut

July 20th, 2010
3:41 pm

bford@phillynews.com
after you send an email please link a page that will link him to a site that has gear a clown would wear

Gwinnett Fred

July 20th, 2010
3:42 pm

Funny, no mention of head to head?

The Braves have beaten the Phillies 7 of 12 head up and in games where Halladay wasn’t the Phillie starter??? The Braves have won 7 of 9 (talk about your thin staff past your ace).

I will give Philadelphia credit though, they do lead Atlanta 1-0 in number of tasered fans on the field and drunks intentionally puking on other fans!

bob

July 20th, 2010
3:42 pm

Obvious homer article.
Since Pat Gillick left as Phillies GM in 2008 [After building yet another WS Championship team], the Phillies have been slowly making poor personnel moves. Ex: Choosing to bring in Holliday, instead of keeping Lee. Though they have a solid nucleus, the peripheral pieces are not blending as well. Plus the needed backups are not contributing when injuries occur.
Look at all the Braves that Charlie Manual picked for his All Star team, including taking heat for picking a backup like Infante. I believe he was speaking to his organization with these moves.

Melky way

July 20th, 2010
3:42 pm

ga dawgs I really enjoyed your post ragging the Ford guy you nailed it I laughed so loud I caused a panick in the office.My coworkers thought I was crazy.Ther is no way that guy believes what he wrote.

BravesFan

July 20th, 2010
3:43 pm

The REAL Phillies? What’s that exactly? I guess you could say when the REAL Braves show up they post 7-3, 9-3 games against Philly and win the Division 11 years in a row as opposed to say 3.

HC

July 20th, 2010
3:43 pm

Wow, someone is bitter about not being in 1st. We’ll see what happens.

Keebo

July 20th, 2010
3:44 pm

He’s just mad because he lives in Philly!!Braves win it all this year!

BravesFan

July 20th, 2010
3:45 pm

Misery will return to Philly, the Flyers lose the Stanley Cup Finals, the Phillies might miss the playoffs and the Eagles, well they have Vick. Ha!

ICEMANcometh10

July 20th, 2010
3:46 pm

Hey Scobberknob Bob the Philadelphian Slob………………..

Check out the scoreboard after the Cards sweep the lowly frantic Phils. They screwed their chemistry (which actually wins more games than talent in team sports) when they acquired Halladay or when they traded away Cliff Lee. Either way it is the same thing so keep looking up at the Braves and don’t forget Mets will also be in front of you. Goooooooooooooood day

GT

July 20th, 2010
3:47 pm

I notice in the lead in on ESPN the teams advertised are all big market teams and the Braves are left out. They show the Phillies, Yanks, Red Soxs … In a poll the Braves were America’s third most popular team and the most popular in the National League. The 90s and some of the 2000s was Atlanta beating the Phils along with the rest of the NL. We have earned a certain respect we are not getting, but so has Georgia, and you won’t find any help from me on that either.

Corky Miller's Beer Gut

July 20th, 2010
3:47 pm

ICEMANcometh10
dont forget the marlins are even gaining ground on the phillies

come on

July 20th, 2010
3:48 pm

bob is just dumb. Halladay, their best starter, has the the same record as Lowe.

Manny

July 20th, 2010
3:50 pm

I agree with DawginNYC. This is simply what happens when you’re the team to beat. This is the worst kind of white-hot hatred… that degrading madness to rile up some kind of pride in a failing team. It keeps your head up when you see yourself sliding in your position. I love it!!!

And it makes absolutely no sense because you first have to beat the Mets before you start talking about the Braves, LOL!

This piece in Philly.com made my entire season up until now! The Braves got them shook! They are actually fear in this piece! WOW! The Braves have them SCARED!

Oh, and did you not read about how he called Bobby Cox some grizzly old manager? Like Bobby Cox is some angry soul? You know… the same Bobby Cox that you can hear rooting and clapping for every Braves batter like he’s their dad? The same Bobby Cox that players loves to play for- a players’ coach that hold the record for getting tossed out for arguing on behalf of his players?

See? Crazy, man! Crazy! This article makes me want to go to the park and watch the Braves tonight!

boots

July 20th, 2010
3:50 pm

What a schmoe. Our manager is better, our bench is better, our pen is better, and our OB% is better as a team. Like everyone else from the northeast, it is all about them for this writer. Sure, 100 years ago, the northeast was the center of the country, but those days are gone. Philly is a hell-hole. When is the last time you heard someone say, “Cool, I get to go to Philly”? Anyway, the Braves just need to worry about the Braves, and the rest will take care of itself. Meanwhile, the Philllies had better worry about Atlanta and New York and actually start hitting & pitching better than a third-place team.

braves are better than the phillies

July 20th, 2010
3:51 pm

I would like to know what moron pays this guy to pay to write articles because they should be hung by there toes and beaten wth a sock full of pennies, 6 games back and doesn’t seem to be getting any better but they are better than us? i just can’t imagine where this moron gets his information, just because they suck and have no hopes of getting any better unless there number 1 starter the 70 year old moyer heats up(hahahahahahaha) the are screwed

BS

July 20th, 2010
3:52 pm

Everyone seems to forget the Phillies got much worse after they got caught cheating earlier in the season stealing signs from the outfield. I guess if those “real Phillies” return they may have a better shot

Shaun

July 20th, 2010
3:55 pm

Apparently there are still some folks living on a flat earth. They still don’t realize that on-base percentage is the same as out-avoidance percentage.

McCann leads all major league catchers in on-base percentage, i.e., he’s the toughest out among catchers who qualify for rate-stat leaderboards.

Glaus ranks fairly low in on-base among firstbasemen but he ranks higher than Ryan Howard.

The Braves as a team lead the league in on-base percentage. They are the toughest team to get an out against.

BUBBA GUMP

July 20th, 2010
3:56 pm

Phillies can talk that way because of their recent success in the past few years…….They KNOW they can win. We will see if the Braves can get it done.

Ron

July 20th, 2010
3:57 pm

All Ford is trying to do is pump up the Fhillies(no P for me) and use the Braves as the poster child. Seems he has created very good bulletin board material for the Braves club house. Well done Mr Ford !

Chopper

July 20th, 2010
3:58 pm

Sure the Phillies look better on paper, but you don’t play the game on paper. If that were the case, the Braves would have had at least two maybe three more world series rings! And if he doesn’t see anything magical about these Braves, he’s not been watching too many games when the Braves aren’t playing the Phillies.

BuckheadBrave

July 20th, 2010
4:01 pm

This writer just made sure the Braves don’t forget about the Phillies between now and September. The only way the Phillies catch the Braves is for the Braves to lose focus, this guy just made sure it was renewed.

Justin

July 20th, 2010
4:02 pm

Nice job, Mark! I read this original article yesterday, and I too found this to be inaccurate.

Mr. Ford also says:
“This season, the Braves began with a 13-18 record and were six games behind the Phillies on May 9. Within the space of 15 days – which says more about the NL East than it does about the Braves – Atlanta went from fifth place to first place as part of a monthlong spurt during which the Braves were 20-5.”

Let’s do simple math. May 9 + 15 days = May 24th. Neither the Braves nor Phillies played on that date, so let’s go ahead and add one more day to this, and talk about May 25th. On that date, the Braves were 23-22 (.511 winning pct), the Phillies 26-18 (.591 winning pct). Now, more simple math tells me that .591 is greater than .511, so now… how exactly were the Braves in first place 15 (or in this case 16) days after May 9th?? Did the Philly Enquirer lay off its editor?

GSU Eagle 91

July 20th, 2010
4:05 pm

At the beginning of the season I thought the Phillies were the best team in the NL. If healthy they can be again. But the Braves have a 6 game lead with consistent pitching, good defense and a somewhat streaky offense. I like our chances!

That being said, when the Phillies get “hot” as a collective unit at the plate, they will be a tough group to deal with. Ryan Howard can truly carry a team with that bat….

Tyler NJ Brave

July 20th, 2010
4:07 pm

NICE!…The Phils need their sports writers to try to get them out of their funk. Using every defense mechanism in the book. Classic Philadelphia. It’s great to see we’re getting in that city’s head. Living 45 minutes away from Philly, I assure you that they are the worst fans (writers, news anchors, normal people) in the business. From fans getting tasered, to fans throwing up on other fans intentionally, they truly are a class act. Being a huge braves fan, it’s nice that we’re just slamming them on the field and watching them whine. Let’s keep it up! Just think, once Hanson and Jurrjens get it going in the right direction, we’re golden (Jurrjens already is).

Here’s the Philly puker story (for those who haven’t seen)

http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local-beat/Off-Duty-Officer-Daughters-Assaulted-at-Phillies-Game-90983739.html

boots

July 20th, 2010
4:09 pm

Wow, Mark, you wrote a column where TampaGator, GT alumn, Gen Neyland and gadawg ALL agree with each other. Dang. Peace in our time. Middle-East strife? Muslim extremism? Rising China and militarized Russia? No problem!!! We have seen the hardest enemies come together today (in a hate for Philly, which is twisted, but still…).

JohnSmith

July 20th, 2010
4:12 pm

These ARE the “real” Phillies. Nothing lasts forever. Their players are getting older, their confidence waning. Without their recent acquisition of Doc Halladay, they’d be less than nothing right now.

BuckheadBrave

July 20th, 2010
4:13 pm

The Braves unite all of us across the college football spectrum! Also, we better lay off, all i know is im wearing a poncho next time i’m sitting in front of a Phillies fan, we have all seen what they do when you make them angry…

Mark Bradley

July 20th, 2010
4:13 pm

Let me take up for Mr. Ford, Justin. He’s correct in saying the Braves were six games behind the Phillies and that they went from last place to first on two weeks. But the date of the largest deficit wasn’t the date of the start of the two-week surge.

Tyler NJ Brave

July 20th, 2010
4:17 pm

One more thing…if McLouth doesn’t perform let’s go after DeJesus! Rutgers product and has a nice OBP. Stick him in the two hole and put Heyward in more of an RBI role.

1. Prado
2. DeJesus
3. Jones
4. McCann
5. Glaus
6. Heyward
7. Gonzalez
8. Hinske/ Diaz/ Infante
9. Pitcher

Pretty potent line-up

sticksandstones

July 20th, 2010
4:22 pm

Mark…out of 2 pages this is all you comment on?

I say we start a fight with Mr. Ford…j/k

dcp

July 20th, 2010
4:25 pm

This is a non event – no Phillies players came out and commented – story appears to be much like Mr. Bradley’s columns – designed to elicit venom from the blogs. Manuel has come out and said the Braves are for real and the players know the Braves are a solid team.

DawgDad

July 20th, 2010
4:31 pm

Yeah, those excerpts were hillarious. Brian McCann an easy out? Brian McCann is a Hall-of-Famer in the making. Ask the AL All-Stars if he’s an easy out. The Braves have as much pitching depth behind their top starters in Gwinnett as the Phillies do in – Philadelphia.

The point is well-taken though. The Phillies could well get healthy and go on a run. Being six up in mid-July is a lot different than being six up on Sep 1. The Braves do still have issues with inconsistent hitting.

Of course, Troy Glaus is just as likely to go on another tear. Jason Heyward is likely to rebound production-wise. The points the writer tried to make on the Braves pitching staff just don’t carry much weight; no way the Braves trade starting pitching staffs even-up with the Phils. No way.

I disagree on the Braves ability to run away and hide. This is a team that COULD win 100+ games. Whether they will or not remains to be seen.

ga gator

July 20th, 2010
4:35 pm

This writer is like every other a-hole from Philly including John Kincaid. I don’t know how Buck stands working with the jerk.

papadawg

July 20th, 2010
4:38 pm

We should be concerned about the Braves. They just lost two AT HOME against the Brewers

Craig

July 20th, 2010
4:39 pm

All I can say is DAMN YANKEE! Hey, I lived up in the northeast and this is the way they are. And if we win the division don’t expect credit. It will be excuses why the Phillies did not finish ahead of the lowly Braves. Don’t miss that crap up there.

Steve in Northern VA

July 20th, 2010
4:44 pm

Somebody staple this to the bulletin board in the clubhouse. Further proof that outside of Atlanta, no believes this team is “for real.” Everywhere else you look, from ESPN to the New York papers to Philly, there seems to be a belief that:

- Chipper is broken

- The Bullpen will burn out

- Medlen is a fluke and will get tired

- Glaus is also broken

- McCann can’t see

- Heyward is also broken and is a rookie, and thus can’t be counted on to perform in September

- Prado’s first half is also a fluke, though his numbers over his last 162 games suggest otherwise

- Infante should’t have been an All-Star

It goes on an on…and it won’t relent until the magic number goes to zero.

BraveFalconHawk

July 20th, 2010
4:47 pm

I wonder what he’ll be saying NEXT WEEK? When the Phillies are 10 games back lol

bfred

July 20th, 2010
4:48 pm

Wait, Charlie Manuel manages the Phils and COX is grump? He gets run by a lot of umps but clearly loves the game. I sure don’t hear anyone gushing about his relationship with ol Chuck.

Ford is setting the Phils up for some major bashing come season-end. Self-hatred instead of admitting they are getting beaten by a superior team.

Long way of saying: SCOREBOARD!!!!!!

Go Falcons

July 20th, 2010
4:49 pm

Typical Yankee

Jo-Bu

July 20th, 2010
4:49 pm

What do the Braves have now? Well, they have a [six]-game lead over the Phillies and they have a great player in second baseman Martin Prado and an ace starter in Tim Hudson. Beyond that, they have as many peaks and valleys as any other team …

This Ford guy is a fool. The only valley the Braves have had this entire season has been the 9-game loosing streak. The Braves ARE NOT a streaking team this season. They’ve been been on more winning streaks this season than loosing streaks and I believe (check Elias Sports B.) the Braves haven’t lost three games in a row in a few months.

CDUB

July 20th, 2010
4:50 pm

View from around the world continued:

-Steve is broken

-Virginia isn’t a baseball state

-The Jackets will sweep Virginia Tech and Virginia again

papadawg

July 20th, 2010
4:51 pm

Forget this jerk from Philly, they all hate the world up there. We need to FOCAS on the Padres

DawgDad

July 20th, 2010
4:51 pm

Thing about the Braves bullpen is there is depth there, too. Two or three relievers in the minors that could/should be in MLB. It would have to be a wholesale collapse to sink the pen.

Concerns right now continue to be center field and third base. Glaus would be a concern if he doesn’t pick up the pace again; same with Heyward, but those guys are likely to get hot again.

Agree, Tyler, on DeJesus. I liked what I saw of him. Have to think he’s on the table if Wren wants to pull the trigger. But I think Wren wants to look at McLouth again; might come back strong like Diaz has done.

A lot can happen in the heat of summer. I’m looking forward to it.

Time

July 20th, 2010
4:52 pm

I play in a fantasy league with a rabid Phillies homer, who up until today, sounded alot like this Ford guy. Arrogantly disregarding anything that said the Phillies were in decline and refusing to admit the Braves were even a threat. Much less the class of the division, if not league, that they are.

Funnily enough, on the league message board today, a mea culpa came where that Phillies homer has seen the light of what I’ve been telling him all season long. The Phillies are just plain not as good as they have been in previous years. Injuries are no excuse, as the Braves have certainly had their share as well. Bottom end of the order is nowhere near what it has been. Werth is too streaky, Ibanez was a roids guy. The rotation, outside of Roy Halladay, is nothing all that special, especially at the back end. And the bullpen, well, let’s just say that when you’re counting on the likes of Contreras, Baez and Lidge to finish your games off it’s not inspiring much confidence.

JeanE

July 20th, 2010
4:53 pm

I might vomit. And I grew up outside of Philly in K of P. Typical Philly obtuse arrogance! I love it, let them be delusional all the way ’til we win the division and see them in our rearview mirror! And He– yes, I’d take Billy Wags over Brad Lidge in a one game save situation. No doubt. Bring it on, Phillies!

meh

July 20th, 2010
4:59 pm

that guy’s a moron. I’d take Wagner over Lidges everyday of the week. And if the Braves are nothing special than the Phillies must really suck horribly to be 6 games back.

Jo-Bu

July 20th, 2010
5:01 pm

That article is total envy. If the Braves didn’t matter, they wouldn’t have wote it. So this Ford guy is showing his respect to the Braves in typical Philly Phashion.

MitchC

July 20th, 2010
5:18 pm

This is a very arrogant article by the writer in Philly, and hopefully, we will make him eat his words.

The only time I ever recall a Braves team blowing a large lead in the division was in 1983 after Bob Horner was injured, in the first season I became a Braves fan. You may remember that, Mark. 6 1-2 ahead on August 13, finished three games down.

Were I the writer in Philly, I would say something like “The Braves have had a good season, hats off to them, and we have work to do to catch them”.

Okay, now I despise the Phillies just as much as I do the Mets. I know it’s only the third week of July, but, just hopefully, the Braves can continue to play as they have, to stick it right up this guy’s A$$!

John Tucker

July 20th, 2010
5:19 pm

Philly hs always had a weird view of itself and the world. It is hard for Philly fans to believe that the Phillies’ heros of last year and the year before are slumping without Cliff Lee or that the Braves will knock them off their arrogant perch.

TruthSeeker

July 20th, 2010
5:21 pm

The Phillies just aren’t what they were two years ago or even last year. Cole Hamels has been figured out by major league hitters. He’s going on two mediocre seasons in a row. Likewise, Joe Blanton is being exposed as the marginal pitcher that he is now that he’s been in the National League for a while now and isn’t fooling anyone anymore. Brad Lidge is one of the most combustible closers in the majors. I don’t see how anyone could be confident in him. He’s had essentially one good season (2008) in the last five. On the offensive side, Raul Ibanez is on his last legs and Shane Victorino isn’t the impact player he was during Philly’s World Series runs. Jimmy Rollins (a massively overrated player even at his best) is in the midst of a two-year slump. With Chase Utley injured, their lineup is very manageable for opposing pitchers these days. Ryan Howard is the only guy that scares you.

The Braves are better than the Phillies. I feel VERY comfortable in saying that. We have a better rotation, better bullpen, better bench, and a lineup that’s at least as good. I laugh at the “experts” who seem to think the Phillies are just biding their time and will blow past the Braves when they decide to get serious. If these same “experts” call Brian McCann an easy out, well, I think that should tell you how much we should care what they think.

Notewise

July 20th, 2010
5:26 pm

I’m just surprised anyone who follows the Phillies can actually write in complete sentences.

Dopher

July 20th, 2010
5:27 pm

Seems he may have missed one of the biggest differences — the benches. The Braves have the best bench in baseball, and allows extremely effective platooning. If Philly had the Braves bench, they might not be in the situation they’re in…they could have more effectively offset their injuries.

In fairness, though, I can see how casual observers can miss the big picture with these Braves. Due to their horrendous start, several of the hitters have bad offensive numbers compared to their careers. But since June a good number of the guys are back to career numbers — which is plenty good enough to merit the team’s winning % given the pitching strength. Looking like April was the mirage and mid-May on is the reality for these Braves.

Phillies problems? Don’t know. Don’t care. Braves are better.

Mr. Melancholy

July 20th, 2010
5:28 pm

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JoeBrave

July 20th, 2010
5:33 pm

Fcuk, Philly, and their fans and writers!

Ken Norton Jr

July 20th, 2010
5:36 pm

2010-
Team ERA 3.66, .261 team batting average

Championship Years
1991-3.49 era, .258 team batting average
1992-3.14 era, .254 team batting average
1993-3-14 era, .262 team batting average
1994-3.57 era (strike shortened season), .267 team batting average
1995-3.44 era, .250 team batting average
1996-3.52 era, .270 team batting average
1997-3.18 era, .270 team batting average
1998-3.25 era, .272 team batting average
1999-3.63 era, .266 team batting average
2000-4.05 era, .271 team batting average
2001-3.59 era, .260 team batting average
2002-3.13 era, .260 team batting average
2003-4.10 era, .284 team batting average
2004-3.74 era, .270 team batting average
2005-3.98 era, .265 team batting average

This Braves team looks comparable to other Braves championship teams to me.

Donny Corleone

July 20th, 2010
5:47 pm

Let ‘em think what they want. They still have to do it on the field and not in the paper. Talk is cheap.

jarvis

July 20th, 2010
5:47 pm

Ford then moved away from his type-writer and split a smoke with his mother while she complained about how painful the cyst in her shoulder is.

Philly and its people are all miserable.

Bobby Lane

July 20th, 2010
5:51 pm

The real Phillies?Are they playing with replacements?

Chop Chop

July 20th, 2010
5:56 pm

You know what a “championship year” is?

It’s winning the World Series.

RA

July 20th, 2010
5:57 pm

Mr. Ford, if indeed that is his real name is sounding less and less like a journalist and more and more like an apologist for the 2010 Phillies season. ‘Well, if they don’t get to the World Series, it’s no one’s fault but theirs.’ That’s loser talk. If the 1991 season proved anything at all, it’s that games aren’t played on paper, and neither do resumes win championships. I’m sorry, I’m so so sorry, but it doesn’t matter what the Phillies have done in the recent past. If they don’t put a run together sooner than later, their immediate future will include watching the Braves or the Mets play out the postseason from the comfort of their homes.

Phils Will Win The NL East

July 20th, 2010
6:09 pm

Just wait and see how the season plays out. There is no chance in hell the Braves will beat out the Phillies!!!!!

P. Bull Terrier

July 20th, 2010
6:12 pm

Player for player the Phillies are a better team. If I was running a fantasy team, I would gladly trade most of my Braves players straight up for their Phillies counterpart. Since this is the real world, I’ll take the Braves and a 6 game lead over the Phillies at this point in the season.

phils hater

July 20th, 2010
6:16 pm

This article gives me more and more hatred for the phillies

GWB

July 20th, 2010
6:20 pm

Bob Ford is a douche

Jamie

July 20th, 2010
6:20 pm

You sure that wasn’t an article by that tool Kincade? Can’t even listen to him on sports talk radio!

bill

July 20th, 2010
6:20 pm

Wow, Philly fans sure got full of themselves quickly. They have a couple good years and suddenly they act like nobody is even worthy of stepping on the field with them. You are what your record says you are, and the Phillies are a third place team.

joemoedee

July 20th, 2010
6:22 pm

What separates this Braves team from the teams of the past… Bullpen. Very few teams have the power arms available at the end of the game, complimented by Moylan’s grounder inducing sidearm delivery.

The Bullpen and bench play a huge role in the Braves’ success this season versus seasons past, and it is what has hurt the Phillies this year.

The Braves have endured injuries to plenty of guys, and still are leading the division. Getting McLouth back and to the level he should be would just be gravy at this point.

Lineups at 100%, yeah, you’d have to give the nod the the Phillies but the difference from 1-8 total is not much. Starting Pitching? Braves. Bullpen? Braves. Bench? Braves. And to top it off, farm system? Braves.

Jason

July 20th, 2010
6:23 pm

Haha… this season’s highlight for me are Phail phans and apologists…. while their team keeps losing series after series, they all act like it’s still in the bag for them and they have nothing to worry about…. Well, let me say, the Phailures have LOTS to worry about. Like not finishing 3rd in the division when they apparently have the most talent… or how to keep Ryan Howard out of a twinkie box daily….

Face is the Phails are old, fat, and done. The Braves are the new class of the division. And they keep proving it night after night. Get used to it.

mike

July 20th, 2010
6:28 pm

Im pretty sure we lead the season series versus the phillies this year 9-5, with a sweep at the beginning of june…. hey at least he has a hopeful outlook. Its funny how the phils have won like 4 division titles in the last twenty years and yet they can act so big and bad now.
division titles since 90′- braves 14—–phillies 4
world series wins since 90′- braves 1—– phillies 1
world series apearences since 90′- braves 4——phillies 2—– BRAVES win!!!

OrlandoDawg

July 20th, 2010
6:34 pm

what’s our record against philly this year?

obee

July 20th, 2010
6:35 pm

Ah, Bradley, feeding raw meat to the lions.

RA

July 20th, 2010
6:38 pm

I’d just as soon leave hell out of this Phils Will Win The NL East. Now, that’s not to say they aren’t capable, they are, but the Braves are having one heck of a year. Here’s the thing, this isn’t a division where the first team to 500 will probably win. The Braves are closer to being 20 games over 500 than they are to being ten games over. They’re winning the close games, games that over the last few years, they’ve had a hard time pulling out and their bullpen has EVERYTHING to do with that. No, they don’t have anyone that can hit forty homers (anymore), but they’re patient, very patient, and efficient, great things have been done with much less. Here’s the thing, if the Phillies win the East this year, I’m enough of a fan to tip my cap to them, but if they don’t, I hope that their media, and their fans will have the self respect to congratulate either the Braves or the Mets on having a good year.

OrlandoDawg

July 20th, 2010
6:38 pm

7-5…few more left to show Bob Ford who’s boss. Even if we don’t win the division, let’s sweep philly from here on out.

Najeh Davenpoop

July 20th, 2010
6:44 pm

Sounds like they are already preparing their excuses for the end of the season.

Puma

July 20th, 2010
6:44 pm

All I got to say to Mr. Ford is enjoy the Cards for the next three games, we will meet back here and see where we are at.

The “real Phillies”…that’s like me saying the real Chipper, they are what they are now, not what they were…savvy?

Navigator

July 20th, 2010
6:56 pm

Oh well, the Philly folks must truly be worried to write that. By the way Turner field is far from being the launching pad that Philly’s stadium is, I guess they can’t tell the difference from old Fulton County Stadium (maybe they missed it being torn down). The Philly’s have plenty to worry about without these kinds of things going on. Hey, maybe when they don’t make the playoffs, reality will set in.

crymeariver

July 20th, 2010
7:17 pm

Yeah, I guess ole Ford has never watched a game at the Ted or been there. It ain’t no launchin pad.
The Philly’s park is a cracker box.

Christopher Chance

July 20th, 2010
7:24 pm

Finally, McCann catches a throw from an outfielder that nails the runner at the plate, lol. (just kidding, although McCann has had a habit of either dropping throws or trying to do the swipe tag deal with securely catching the ball).

Nice throw by Cabrera.

Boatdoc

July 20th, 2010
7:31 pm

Obee – I thought the same thing. Mark, were you intending to chum the feeding grounds of the Great White? ;-)

frank james

July 20th, 2010
7:32 pm

You have to admire Eckstein. He is a winner. You have to feel good for him and his family who have had a rough time fighting kidney disease.

frank james

July 20th, 2010
7:34 pm

You can tell fans across the country are playing too many video games. Way to many homeruns and foul balls dropped. I saw a women hit on the head on ESPN highlights today.

Christopher Chance

July 20th, 2010
7:36 pm

Damn, it looks like Prado has something on his mind, distracting him from make 2 routine plays. 2 errors in 2 innings is very un-Prado like.

Then again, some people on here think that the Braves are winning because of stellar defensive play, lol.

Gerardo

July 20th, 2010
7:41 pm

At the bottom of the article there is a link to email Mr. Ford. I took the liberty to do so, and I’ll share it with you guys….

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Well Mr. Ford, after reading your article completely discounting the Braves as an actual threat to the Phillies, I must say I can only see it as maybe a way for you to fire up the troops or the fans. But for an accomplished writer such as yourself, your article had some serious holes. All I gathered from it is that you sure know how to pick your stats to highlight in order to make your team look superior to the one currently in first place. Troy Glaus may be an easy out, but he also has 3 home runs this season against your beloved Phillies and would have 5 if not for a couple of beautiful take-aways by Shane Victorino in center (hey look at that, at least one of us is giving credit where it’s due). And they weren’t just inconsequential solo shots, they were daggering blows that put you guys away. You mention that the Braves are 12th in the NL in slugging percentage. Way to find a stat we’re not excelling in, there’s not many to choose from. Did you not have access to see the league leaders in on-base percentage or runs scored? Cause we’re up near the top if not at the top in those two, and I think they’re more important than your precious slugging percentage. Not to mention we lead the world in walks. You mention that Jair Jurrjens has a 4.75 ERA, pretty much discounting him as nothing special. You do know he was hurt for two months and has less than 10 starts this season? Maybe you should instead have looked at his career numbers, which are far better, or at least looked at how he’s fared in the three starts since coming back from his injury. There’s one final very important stat you’re overlooking. The Braves have a six game lead on your third-place Phillies with roughly 70 games to play. I’d maybe start worrying if I were you and the city of Philadelphia. I sure hope for your sake that your hometown boys are as good in the second half at finding ways to win as you are at picking unimportant stats to try to discredit the Braves as a legitimate threat. We’ll see you in October. If you make it, that is. 

Sincerely,
Gerardo Valdez

Feel free to share your thoughts, my email is bravesfan_18@yahoo.com

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I’d say we won that exchange, what do you think, Braves Country?

gayle

July 20th, 2010
7:47 pm

History can repeat itself. In 1993, the vaunted Braves finished first in the western division with 104 wins and proceeded to fall flat on their faces and lose to an inferior Phillies team in the first round of the playoffs. Sound familiar, Braves fans? Perhaps Mr. Ford knows of what he speaks.

jeff

July 20th, 2010
7:54 pm

GO BRAVES!!! PHILLYS SUCK!

TheAntiMe

July 20th, 2010
7:56 pm

Bob Ford says that because he is a homer and if he says anything different then all the Philadelphia Inquirer readers will make fun of him and say mean things to him.

TheAntiMe

July 20th, 2010
8:15 pm

It’s kind of like when we were kids on the playground. After the game there was always one kid on the other team that we beat who would always say, “We would have beaten you but we just let you win, that’s all!”

Bob Ford is that whiney little kid that just let us win.

BullDawgMike

July 20th, 2010
8:16 pm

Hey Bob, who besides Chase Utley , scares anyone? The real Phillies? If they were for real this year, they wouldn’t be in third place hanging on by their toenails.

extremus

July 20th, 2010
8:16 pm

Nothing like a journalist to try to stoke a fire between ballclubs during a season. Not that Mr. Ford’s observations don’t have merit, but baseball involves many, many intangibles that simply go beyond the numbers. Some of these include the timeliness of the hitting, player effort and morale, team chemistry, and just plain dumb luck. The Braves have had all of these in spades this season. While the Phillies may well be the favorite to win the division and certainly few people would call a six game lead at this point insurmountable, there is one more intangible Ford didn’t mention: that the Braves are going to fight tooth and nail to win a World Series in the final year of two and perhaps three Hall of Fame careers (Cox, Jones, Wagner).

As I recall, the Los Angeles Dodgers kind of dismissed the Braves (along with A LOT of other folks) about this time through the 1991 season. Just a thought.

It’s our year.

Dennis G. Berdanis

July 20th, 2010
8:45 pm

I’d be happy reading every year how we won the division but weren’t really better than the Phillies.

Jeff T

July 20th, 2010
8:48 pm

I live just north of Philly and I read his column this morning. Wondered if it would make it to Alanta and if so, how quickly. Wow! That was quick. Plus all the fan comments! As a Braves fan since the late 50s (Milwaukee for those too young to know) but growing up in the Philly area, I have have come to like the Phils but the Braves will always be my team. I generally enjoy Ford but I just laughed at this column. He is doing his job I realize, but it actually shows me how much he worries about us that he felt he had to write this this morning. Go Braves!

Boatdoc

July 20th, 2010
8:52 pm

FanTAStic to see Heyward 2 for 3 so far with a double. Diaz is Glaus-in-May hot. There are WAY too many hitters who can hurt you in this lineup for the Braves to cool completely off. If the Braves stay anywhere CLOSE to this hot I’d like to see the Phillies make up that 6 game lead. The last couple of days the Phillies have looked anemic in Chicago. They lost 3 of 4, including Halladay giving up a crooked number to the Cubs en route to an 11-6 loss. They “rebounded” with an 8-4 loss to the Cards yesterday.

We’re scared.

Boatdoc – Occasional Employer of Sarcasm

jojatek

July 20th, 2010
9:48 pm

Are those the same Phillies who are dumping another game tonight? LOL

Todd

July 20th, 2010
9:49 pm

Wonder what ford thinks now. Moron

tony reynolds

July 20th, 2010
9:57 pm

well what are the phils waiting on then?

It's a shame what he did to that dog

July 20th, 2010
10:04 pm

Philly down 6-0. Someone should inform that Philly hack to shut his damn mouth. He should write about things he’s familiar with like cheese steaks and fat people who attend Eagles football games.

MitchC

July 20th, 2010
10:04 pm

Mark, I dont want to be cynical, but I have to ask you something: Did you post that article to : A. Be a good journalist, and print the truth? B. Rile us Braves fans up, to hate Philly even more than we already do? C. Did you post it, because you partially agree with the writer in Philly, and aren’t sold on this Braves team yet, or.. D. All of the above? I’m not trying to get too complex here, but I think you understand my point, Mr Bradley.

Here’s the thing: You were the guy at the beginning of the season that said: “Bah humbug, third place, at best”. With this team possibly 6-1-2 games up in late July, they are making every skeptic eat their words.

I’m just wondering if there was intent, if any, behind you posting this, and if so, what was it?

jojatek

July 20th, 2010
10:09 pm

The Phillies are done, and everyone who knows baseball has known that for several weeks, if not months. The Mets may catch us as they get healthier, but doubtful. It’s the Braves to lose this season, which is great news for Cox in his final season (and remarkable given their record poor start to the season…). Go Braves!

TheAntiMe

July 20th, 2010
10:11 pm

I guess that Ford’s Phillies are just laying back so that the Braves will get overconfident and then the Phillies will just blow right by the Braves in September.

It looks like his plan is working as the Phillies are down 6 – 1 in the 7th to the Cards. I guess they’re going to let the Braves go up to 7 games ahead to make it look good. Yeah, Ford’s plan seems to be working to perfection.

E.Lo

July 20th, 2010
10:16 pm

The Braves biggest advantage is chemistrey. As far as I know, no player on the Braves is banging another player’s wife. Yes, I’m talking to you Jason Werth. Chase Utley will have to put a leash on his wife if the Filthies have a chance to get back in to it.

Dawg Whisperer

July 20th, 2010
10:17 pm

Maybe, Mr. Ford is the one sporting the Philly fanatic mascot suit. All fanatic, no reality. Right now, the Phillies can’t beat a retreat, let alone the Braves.

NickGranite

July 20th, 2010
10:17 pm

Hey Ford, Jurrjens is now 3-0 with a 2.19 ERA in his 4 starts since returning from the DL and Heyward is fully loaded. It’s more than that mirror in your philthy clubhouse wall that;s going to beat you.

Michael C

July 20th, 2010
10:21 pm

What I don’t get about his drivel — er, uh, um — his article is his reference to the “real Phillies.” If the “real Phillies” magically appear, then they have nothing to worry about. Indeed. What’s the definition of “real?” What he wishes the team to be? Well, then if my “real Braves” show up, they will include Warren Spahn, Phil Niekro, Henry Aaron, Dale Murphy and several Cy Young Award winners from the mid-90s. (And Steve Avery, my sentimental favorite.)
My REAL BRAVES can beat the bad-ass Yankees.
What a bunch of crap. I swear he must not have had anything to write about.

GtAllTheWay

July 20th, 2010
10:25 pm

Turner Field a launching pad?

Delbert D.

July 20th, 2010
10:43 pm

Mark, I can’t wait for your complementary article for the Inquirer. In spades. Stick it and twist.

What garbage coming out of my former favorite newspaper. Oh, well; they were the days of Schmidt, Luzinski, Carlton, Maddox, Bowa and Boone, and I left them behind on Dec. 31, 1979. Go Braves!!

Mark Bradley

July 20th, 2010
10:46 pm

Delbert, I usually don’t get into that back-and-forth thing with other cities and other teams. Cleveland was an exception in the NBA playoffs last year. And I’m on record as not being fond of Birmingham. But that’s about it.

Oregon Brave

July 20th, 2010
10:57 pm

Michael C. I like your REAL BRAVES. Do you have Eddie Mathews on that team?

Cosmo

July 20th, 2010
10:59 pm

Make that 7 games behind. In 3rd place. So if the playoffs began to day they would be….at home. ‘nuf said.

wiley

July 20th, 2010
11:00 pm

The Phillies have looked terrible this year…are they really that naive? Sometimes…talent doesn’t mean much…giving up Cliff Lee was very stupid also. The braves have little star power when compared to them but our players are having great years and getting clutch hits. If this trend continues…the braves may have the east locked up by mid August.

SuperB

July 20th, 2010
11:04 pm

Mr. Ford: I’m not sure the Phillies could beat the Bad News Bears right now. Not if Kelly Leak is on a hitting tear and Amanda has her curve working.

alan

July 20th, 2010
11:11 pm

This guy’s an arrogant idiot – typical northeastern bias. I have a word (actually an acronym) for people like this: HUHA, which stands for “head up his a$$”. He really should step away from the computer for a few minutes and get some perspective on what he wrote and why he wrote it. I remember some famous last words from 1991, when the Braves were about 8 1/2 games behind the Dodgers in July, something to the effect of “we’re not worried about the Braves”. The words belonged to Darryl Strawberry, and were probably said by everyone on that team, including Tommy Lasorda.

I think Mr. Ford and Philly fans and the team should be afraid of this year’s Braves as well. It’s amazing that, given our lead, the fact the we took two out of three from them before the All Star break, and the fact they’ve played so poorly since then, that they are not just a little bit worried. They should be careful about underestimating anyone in this division except for the Nationals, and truly they should never just think they can throw their gloves out onto the field and expect to beat them.

A little humility is called for, but hey, it’s Philadelphia – you’re never gonna get them to admit that anyone or any team from the south could ever be better than them – they just don’t have it in them.

James

July 20th, 2010
11:17 pm

Let’s Go Braves!

coach smith

July 20th, 2010
11:17 pm

Somebody let Mr. Ford know that the Philthies are now SEVEN GAMES BEHIND

Baldemar Huerta

July 20th, 2010
11:19 pm

Nobody keeps stats for “hit at the right time”. That is what is going on with the braves, producing when the situation warrants, unlike the disaster in April. But in true Braves fashion, I predict backing into the playoffs with a loss on the last day of the season and out in 3 against the WC.

Chip Caray's Eyebrows

July 20th, 2010
11:19 pm

What an idiot! I mean wow. The Lidge/Wagner thing was the most complete homer/garbage I have ever heard. I think most Philly fans don’t even believe that pile of crap Mr. Ford called an article. It’s one thing to say the Braves can be caught, sure they can, but to sit there and tear them down phase by phase saying the Almighty Phillies are better, irresponsible in my book, and bad journalism. Most of all, it is simply wrong on most accounts.

thunderbull56

July 20th, 2010
11:25 pm

Get to twenty games over ,500,get team batting avg. up to .270, team era under 4 prefer .360 or lower.Check old World Almanacs and every team that won had similar stats.In other words, as long as the Braves play .600 or better ball, good luck Phillie.And these guys have it in them.

Tom

July 20th, 2010
11:25 pm

Unfortunately, Bob Ford is right- at least as far as he goes. The baseball players on the Phillies are better than the baseball players on the Braves. What does that mean? Perhaps nothing. I’ll have to admit I was wrong about this group of Braves. I thought they were destined for a 5th-6th place finish. What is going on? Bobby’s last season? Our GM is suddenly a genius? There actually is a bb god? Law of averages? I don’t know, and I really don’t care. All I know is that I’m enjoying the *ell out of it! My only hope is that the braintrust realizes that something special is going on, whatever it is, that it won’t necessarily last, that they have very little to do with whatever it is, and take some steps now to take advantage of the situation and their incredible good luck, and try to keep it going. Translated, lets close the gap on natural talent between our Braves and some of the other more talented teams, and keep the magic going!!! Go Braves!

moldavite

July 20th, 2010
11:29 pm

NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE, BUT THE BRAVES ARE GOING TO WIN THEIR DIVISION EASILY. STARTING PITCHING WILL WIN IT FOR THEM

Zach

July 20th, 2010
11:31 pm

Bold comments from a blogger whose team is 7 games back and in 3rd place in its own division.

I’ve never heard turner field called a launching pad.

scottbravesfan

July 20th, 2010
11:54 pm

The Phillies are done and now are in panic mode. I like how this douche bag who wrote the article said that Glaus and McCann are easy outs? Easy outs? Brian McCann’s on base percentage is .381. What the hell is that guy talking about?

Tripple Lindy

July 21st, 2010
12:00 am

I was driving through south jersey this afternoon and picked up Philly’s FM sports station. And the way that station spoke of the braves was completely different. That city knows theyre doomed and is royally pissed about how the phillies havent shown up this year. They’re looking for a big trade to bring their starting rotation up to the braves level but know they can’t compete with the yanks (looking for help now that pettite is down) on the trading block. And to top it off Jason Werth was seen partying at a casino in St Louis until 4am the in between 2 losses. They want to hang the guy.

just went to the game

July 21st, 2010
12:02 am

The idiot that wrote this will be eating his words come October when the Philthies are at home crying into their cheese steaks and the Braves are popping the corks of Championship champagne.

just went to the game

July 21st, 2010
12:03 am

By the way, I heard somewhere that they use Cristal for World Series celebrations. Anyone know if that’s true?

Dawg'88

July 21st, 2010
12:09 am

Next time do your homework. Braves lead the league in OBP. 2nd Best Bullpen ERA in NL.
Besides Howard’s numbers (inflated in little CB Park), the Phillies are nothing special offensively.
Brian McCann a 5 time All Star an easy out? He strikes out less than the majority of the Phils lineup….and as your own manager says…he kills the Phillies.

Hudson’s 5 losses? (3 of them are when he gave up 2 runs or less) so he is an Ace to carry you as much as Halladay with his 6 losses and getting blasted the day of your article (good timing…slam Hudson and speak glowingly about RH before he gets trashed by the awful Cubs lineup. Jurrgens with a 4.75 ERA doesn’t tell the whole tale…get some facts for a change. He was injured at the beginning of the year and finally went on the DL. But if you take away only one start (vs SD…8 er)…he has a 2.99 ERA for the rest of his starts and since coming off of the DL is 3-0 with a 2.39 ERA. One of those was against your vaunted lineup that is so much better in your bandbox of a park. Besides Halladay who are your great consistent starters…Blanton, Kendrick, Hamels (Braves lit him up last time facing him), Moyer(Braves lit him up last time as well)…. you’re going to rely on those guys..LOL! Good luck!

Tommy Hanson has had just 3 bad starts to inflate his ERA but other than that has been dominant. Who would I want Wagner or Lidge? You mean the same Lidge that blew 7-8 games in 2009 and got replaced as closer. Or the one that is still seeing a Pujlos home run rising and disappearing in Houston. Wagner has not even issued a walk in his past 19 innings or so. The Braves are 45-1 when leading after the 7th inning. That’s unheard of to lead that early and still win..the ATL is heads above Philly’s. You had better start worrying about even making the playoffs as a wild card because you are now even trailing there by 3 games behind an always 2nd half hot team in Colorado.

The teams you compared are on paper. You don’t play the season on paper. Its why you actually play the games. And don’t hit me with the injury excuse. Jurrgens missed 3 months, Chipper is in and out of the lineup, Glaus has had a bad knee for weeks now and is limping each day…McClouth is still out and lefty killer Matty Diaz missed 2 months. The difference our guys didn’t make excuses or sit around waiting for all to be healthy…the backups went out there and did the job….your didn’t. One of our backups even earned an All Star bid for his play…Omar Infante. Even your manager is more respectful of the Braves.

The Braves are the better TEAM this year….period! No excuses. The Braves have won 5 of the last 6 vs Philly…nuff said. This article just gave a motivated, chemistry driven TEAM more ammunition to stick it to you guys…THANKS! BTW….you’re 7 games out now with only 69 to play. The countdown has begun. If the Philies and people like you don’t start respecting the Braves for what they are and can do…you’re going to be sorry. And a long offseason will begin soon. Maybe thats the problem…you don’t respect us! don’t hold your breath waiting for us to fall….too many vets and young exciting players on this team to let the Phillies win anything!

Your 2-3 years of winning are over…time for the real division champion to take it back over!

Dawg'88

July 21st, 2010
12:09 am

I sent the above message as an email directly to Bob Ford.

Dawg'88

July 21st, 2010
12:10 am

Sent the above email to Ford.

lfp6

July 21st, 2010
12:14 am

301st.

Yeah, almighty Philly…..if those goombas hadnt traded lee, they wouldnt be in the pickle they are in now.

And we may not need to make a trade, with Diaz hitting so well….but thats just me.

J-Man

July 21st, 2010
12:32 am

7 games back and they have nothing to worry about????????

bob

July 21st, 2010
2:17 am

philly- no play all talk in baseball talk is cheap phil’s are too stupid to realize they won’t be competing for the ws if they keep playing like this. F’ the haters, LETS GO BRAVES!!!!!!

bob

July 21st, 2010
2:19 am

I hope the phils realize if they keep playing like this they won’t be competing for anything! Cocky phils haha they should’nt be talking about anyone else but themselves. 48-44 very good record phils haha

bob

July 21st, 2010
2:21 am

phils won’t be competing for anything if they keep playing like they are 48-44 pretty mediocre to my opinion for a team that has “dominated”

Dirty Dawg

July 21st, 2010
3:35 am

As I attempted to post earlier but haven’t found if it made it, I say it’s truly interesting, and telling, just how arrogant Philly fans/writers/and probably players have gotten after just a couple of years of winning the Division…just think how insufferably cocky and arrogant they’d be if it were 14 or 15 straight.

You keep thinking that you’re gonna win it Philly, and keep losing and making excuses…and we’ll be making room for another pennant sign.

GT Fan

July 21st, 2010
3:57 am

Suck on that Philly! 7 games back!

Will the “real” Philly please stand up….waiting….didn’t think so.

donny ballgame

July 21st, 2010
4:10 am

The Padres are the voice of America. Not the Braves. Winning one game, isn’t the world Series, I know that, you know that, and Karch Karai knows that.

shane

July 21st, 2010
4:19 am

The Padres are the voice of America. Not the Braves. Winning one game, isn’t the world Series, I know that, you know that, and Karch Karai knows that.

First off huh??????

Second nobody said winning one game is the world series. All that said id rather win that one game. Braves gave the Padres a dose of their own medicine. Overpowering pitching

Jo-Bu

July 21st, 2010
4:39 am

Wonder if someone will ask Bob Ford how that View from Philly looks tonight? The Redbirds have laid it on them twice in as many nights and now the Phillies are on the outside looking in 7.0 GB.

Marc in FL

July 21st, 2010
5:16 am

Anyone can be dellusional I suppose. I mean our pitching is better in all but one starting rotation slot and our bullpen is better top to bottom. Our offense, while not as potent, is comparable in some aspects.

It just depends on if you believe offense will win out or if pitching will win out. I’m going with pitching.

donny ballgame

July 21st, 2010
5:35 am

@shane
Padres don’t use or need medicine: only sunscreen.
And only one team has the great Adrian Gonzalez.

shane

July 21st, 2010
7:00 am

@shane
Padres don’t use or need medicine: only sunscreen.
And only one team has the great Adrian Gonzalez.

They might need some medicine for their fannies after the Braves spank it a couple more times.

Bud Wiser

July 21st, 2010
7:06 am

Spoken like a true Philly jerkoff.

He’ll be out booing the hell out of the Phils in print by the end of August.

Loser.

joe

July 21st, 2010
8:04 am

the braves are playing better than the sum of their parts…. they are actually fun to watch ( I haven’t said that in a while).

It's a shame what he did to that dog

July 21st, 2010
8:10 am

donny ballgame

Who won the MVP in the all-star game?

It's a shame what he did to that dog

July 21st, 2010
8:10 am

“Padres don’t use or need medicine: only sunscreen.”

donny has the IQ of a carrot.

Tami

July 21st, 2010
8:24 am

Sounds like the thoughts from a reporter/fan just before they are forced to see the more realistic picture: The Phillies aren’t going ANYWHERE this season. They’ve had plenty of time to make a run. They lost again last night. Yes. There’s a LOT of baseball left, and I know as well as anyone that anything can happen between now and the end of the season. I haven’t yet said the Braves will take it all the way. However….although the team has been sputtering since the 2nd half of the season has resumed, they continue to find a way to win (last night’s wasn’t pretty with 3 errors, but a win is a win) and increase the division lead between themselves & their divisional rivals. We Braves fans could have the last laugh this season. But, the Phils won’t even be in the equation.

Shug

July 21st, 2010
8:29 am

The Phillies are 2-time defending League champs and have won a recent World Series, things the Braves haven’t done lately. That breeds a justified confidence on the Phillies’ part that they can prevail. Phillies are still champs until someone knocks them off, and no one’s knocked them off yet. In summary, Braves’ fans (and writers) shouldn’t be concerned with the Phillies’ attitude and should be more concerned with their own team’s performance.
Go Braves.

Chad

July 21st, 2010
8:32 am

Mark what do you think about the recent rumor that the Phils are “working very hard to acquire a front end SP?” Roy Oswalt is apparently their preferred choice. They also would be trading Werth.

Mark Bradley

July 21st, 2010
8:55 am

A little late, I’d say, Chad.

mike

July 21st, 2010
8:58 am

“first-place Braves are nothing special”???
It seems like every game something happens to remind me of ‘91. Didn’t the Dodgers keep saying stuff like that back in ‘91?

Blackberry Cobbler

July 21st, 2010
9:13 am

I’m a big Braves fan, but I think the article is spot on.

There are even those on the AJC staff (Schultz) who like to remind us that the Braves are playing above their talent. If the Phils can play to their talent and the Braves return to theirs, the Braves aren’t good enough to hang on.

I have said all along, that the Braves need more/better pitching and more (consistent) power in the lineup.

Richard S.

July 21st, 2010
9:19 am

Yes, Atlanta-Fulton County Stadium saw some of the largest homer numbers in the history of the game. Theories for this range from depth perception to the large overhang holding in more heat and humidity causing the ball to jump of the bat and into the seats. Probably the most compelling yet perplexing argument is in the argument of elevation, as written in Lonnie Wheeler’s biography of Henry Aaron “I Had a Hammer.” Seeing as though Atlanta is one of the highest elevated stadiums in the game with a number hovering the 1,000 FASL.

But, Turner field has not produced nearly as many homers as the rest of the leagues parks, or even AFCS’s numbers. With nearly the same dimensions and elevation as its predecessor the current stadium has placed in the bottom half of the league in home runs per-game eight of the last ten seasons. So, to summarize, AFCS was a launching pad that was nicknamed the launching pad while Turner Field is a pitchers park that produces a below-average number of homers.

Possibly the style of players could impact that number. It goes without mentioning that for the first ten years AFCS was open Henry Aaron was putting up most of those numbers and for the next 15 of 16 years Dale Murphy was filling those shoes. But guess how many pennants those two won in Atlanta…

OlderNDirt

July 21st, 2010
9:20 am

i was just wondering if anyone noticed that since the Phillies were accused of stealing signals and signs they have dropped precipitously in the standings. is it possible when they have to guess the pitches like everyone else it is tougher.

DoninGa

July 21st, 2010
9:22 am

With all he had to say, he didn’t say much. Might be Heyward and Chipper are the keys for our offense. They do good, the Phillies ain’t coming back no more, no more!

Dave

July 21st, 2010
9:46 am

name one team with at least 50 wins this year that is just “okay.” Regardless of how bad the Phillies are this year, you have to be pretty good to be 17 games over .500. And as for our pitching staff…I’ll take Hanson and Lowe with their 4+ ERA’s over Blanton and Moyer any day of the week.

Braves’ bullpen is better, bench is better, record is better…Philly fans, keep telling yourselves that the Phillies are standing in their own way. Enjoy watching Bobby’s farewell tour.

Barry Draper

July 21st, 2010
10:08 am

The REAL difference is the bullpen. What other team in baseball can come at you with a lefty tandem of Dunn, O’Flaherty, Ventors and Wagner? Complementing the lefties are Moylan and Saito. Our starters do give me a pause, and cause for concern. Hanson is inconsistent. Lowe seems to have righted his ship. Medlen is solid. JJ is back to form. And Huddy is lights out. Hey that gives us three of five solids with upside potential on the other two. Our offense scores late. So if the game is close in the seventh through the ninth innings, the Braves are going to win more than they lose, against anyone.

Scoots

July 21st, 2010
10:10 am

This guy calls Turner Field a ‘launching pad’?! Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

TWS

July 21st, 2010
10:11 am

When the Phillies have a healthy Rollins, Polanco and Utley, they are better. Not sure that will happen this year.

diesel gas

July 21st, 2010
10:20 am

Turner Field had always been known as a pitchers park…wtf is that guy talking about???

Bruce Kling

July 21st, 2010
10:46 am

This writer forgot to compare the Philly success numbers before and after their binoculars were discovered. When was the last time Braves fans were charged with murdering someone in the stadium parking lot ….. anyone got numbers on that one? The Braves have had their share of injury riddled seasons, but neither the fans nor our local press make excuses. Philly fans need to take a trip to Milwaukee and have a big Kum-Ba-Yah festival with their fellow cry babies!

otis

July 21st, 2010
10:46 am

we play them the final series of the season. i hope we capitalize on that opportunity

diesel gas

July 21st, 2010
11:33 am

Bruce Kling

July 21st, 2010
10:46 am

Well said my friend!!!!

Adam

July 21st, 2010
11:41 am

Yeah real easy out that McCann. Hitting .295 with 12 homers 55 rbi’s and a .472 OBP they really own that guy.

Jesus

July 21st, 2010
12:14 pm

Poser, Hater, Cry Baby. That should cover the clown from Philly.

BILLY GRAY

July 21st, 2010
12:17 pm

I believe Mr Ford the most wins is how you get in first place.

Jesus

July 21st, 2010
12:27 pm

Mark, your thoughts on the Braves players reading this? Will they?

savannahdawg

July 21st, 2010
12:43 pm

Nothing special? This team has the same look as it did in the early 90’s. Oustanding pitching, and a group of guys on the field that play as a team, play smart and hustle.

Mr. Ford……..Philly is the team that is nothing special…….stop making excuses and take a look at the growing issues on your team.

shmoe

July 21st, 2010
1:32 pm

Let em keep talkin. They are simply deluding themselves. Braves are in fact a magical team, and they are now 7 games back. LOL times 1,000,000

Braves win!

July 21st, 2010
1:40 pm

Well, I will give him this…I agree that the Braves are playing over their heads and the Phillies are underachieving…but this is not May, we are in late July, the Braves are (at least for now) healthy and a 6-game lead is anything but minor…now, the way they managed to catch the Mets in September- was it two years ago?- and the way the media annointed them division champs in just about every preseason publication probably gave them and their slobbering, classless fan base a feeling of invincibility…but that is why we go out and actually play the games.

Philly Anticlimactic

July 21st, 2010
1:42 pm

Why would a 3rd place on the verge of slipping below .500 be concerned with the 1st place team. Look out Philly, the Marlins are closing fast!

nique

July 21st, 2010
1:51 pm

nice bulletin board material!

DELAWARES ONLY BRAVES FAN

July 21st, 2010
2:21 pm

By 9am this morning it was offical. Panic has set in the minds of the class holes of filthadelphia.The airwaves are filled with cry babies!!! Talk radio idots are now saying that they all saw this coming.(funny cause in april the were talking about how they now matched up with the skankies in ny)It is starting to get fun around here.

74Dawg

July 21st, 2010
3:08 pm

And people say the AJC writers are homers:) This guy is dreaming. There are a lot of games to be played, and the Philthies could go get another starter ; and the Braves could collapse. But the fact remains the Braves currently have the best record in the NL with 70 games left. They just got two of their best players back,Jurjens and Heyward . All indications are, they are no fluke. And by the way, wasn’t Bob Ford ” the dirty little coward who shot mr. Howard” aka Jesse James, in the back while he was hanging a picture on the wall?

Delaware's an idiot

July 21st, 2010
3:41 pm

Hey Droolaware’s Brave fan: I believe this article is about a Philly writers column,not thier fans.Due to my job I have lived in several major leauge towns. Atl. is by far the most front-runner town I’ve lived in. I think I seen a stat last week that Phila. has something like 80+ straight sellouts. When I lived in Atl. I recall they couldn’t even sellout PLAYOFF games ! I recall the excuses: “it’s a school night,
it’s too hot to sit a whole game, this is a college football town, it’s a NASCAR town etc,etc… Say what you will but I recall Phila. fans being loyal. I remember it also being a very historic town with beautiful architecture. Your Filthydelphia comment is funny if your a fourth grader. Every town has its run down areas. I remember when you left Turner field or the Ga. Dome if you made a wrong turn down the wrong street you life could be in danger immediatly according to the locals. If you hate it up there, as they say in Atl. “Delta is ready when you are !

mm

July 21st, 2010
3:51 pm

Yak yak yak: 7 games. End of story.

bravesbeast

July 21st, 2010
3:51 pm

Since Bob Ford wrote that article in Philly the Braves have inceased their lead to 7 games! That guy is an idiot haha and I love it.

Delaware's an idiot

July 21st, 2010
4:15 pm

Hey Delawre “Delta is ready is ready when you are”. This article is about a Phila. sports writer and
not thier fans.

Christopher Chance

July 21st, 2010
4:51 pm

The Phillies are in a clubhouse chemistry bind because of the Jayson Werth/Chase Utley situation. For those of you who havent heard it, rumor has it that Werth was nailing Utley’s wife. Given the fact that Werth’s contract is up at the end of this season……combined with Utley being a premier 2nd baseman with a huge contract…….it’s a no brainer that the Phillies are going to side with Utley on this and not re-sign Werth.

However Werth is the only right handed power bat in that line-up. Trying to trade him right now does not help them.

It’ll never happen, but I would love to see the Braves trade for Werth. Screw chemistry. Werth can play center field AND hit for power from the ride side of the plate. Our line-up would become dangerous with Werth’s bat in it. If the Braves could sign him to a long term contract, I’d make the trade.

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donny ballgame

July 21st, 2010
6:41 pm

@It’s a shame what he did to that dog

All Star Game? Let’s talk about things that matter. Surf’s up

Macon boy

July 21st, 2010
9:42 pm

Remember these are the guys who traded Cliff Lee…………….

Christopher Chance

July 21st, 2010
11:26 pm

This is a bad loss. Offense went in the tank after the 3rd inning. Sure, Wagner blew the save. However, that’s going to happen from time to time.

The Phillies losing to the Cardinals helps take the sting off it. Hopefully Arizona will beat the Mets tonight as well.

If the Braves dont make a trade for another bat, then we better hope that the Mets and Phillies continue to struggle.

Christopher Chance

July 21st, 2010
11:27 pm

This is a bad loss. Offense went in the tank after the 3rd inning. Sure, Wagner blew the save. However, that’s going to happen from time to time.

The Phillies losing to the Cardinals helps take the sting off it. Hopefully Arizona will beat the Mets tonight as well.

Christopher Chance

July 21st, 2010
11:27 pm

If the Braves dont make a trade for another bat, then we better hope that the Mets and Phillies continue to struggle.

Christopher Chance

July 21st, 2010
11:28 pm

This is a bad loss. The offense took the rest of the night off after the 3rd inning. Sure, Wagner blew the save. However, that’s going to happen from time to time. I blame the offense for tonight’s loss.

jeff

July 22nd, 2010
5:02 pm

While I think this guy is wrong on several counts, and our pitching staff is definitely better, let’s not forget the ridiculous amount of injuries the Phillies have contended with this year. Rollins, who makes their team go, was out most of the year until recently. Utley, who was hurt and not his usual .300 hitter with power self, is now on the shelf for at least another month, and Polanco at 3rd (whoever said that the recent version of Chipper or Infante being better at 3rd is wrong in my opinion) has been hurt alot as well. No doubt injuries are part of the game, but I’m still worried about the Phils getting healthy and making up ground in September. Especially if the rumors of them picking up Oswalt soon are correct.

Serbok

July 23rd, 2010
3:24 pm

It has been “touched on” well~ by many bloggers~ Team Chemistry! Never~Ever~ underestimate Team Chemistry! These Bravos Certainly have that going for them! I cant remember a Braves team that has “Been on the Same page” as well as this team! I have followed the Braves since the days of Tony Cloninger, Ron Reed and the Ephus pitch! Was even at “The Ted” the night they let Satchel Paige pitch an inning or 2? Cant remember how many~ I was like 8 yrs old. This team is Having “FUN” playing the game this year! Awesome move by FW to get AG!!! Esco~has of course the better “Upside” However~ This IS the Braves Year!! I’ve never been a huge BC fan~ However~ He is as well noted a player’s manager! He is~IMO managing better this year than I can remember him EVER managing!
Bravos make playoffs~! Win Division! I just hope Larussa doesnt out manage Bobby :-(
FW deserves MAJOR Kudos~ for putting this tam 2gether! Wud be Awesome to see a trade for a power hitting outfielder! However! We Definitely do NOT need another Texiera debacle!
Corey Hart???? Would be a fine addition! Or maybe Bobby could talk Brian Jordan outta the booth? and start him in center~just for old times sake?
LOL

_phiLLies_

September 16th, 2010
8:11 am

PartyPhil

September 16th, 2010
6:14 pm

HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA
Mark Bradley is an idiot.