A Josh Childress sign-and-trade for not much in return? Wow

Couldn't the Hawks at least get some shoes in return? (AJC photo by Andy Sharp)

Couldn't the Hawks at least trade him for a bunch of shoes? (AJC photo by Andy Sharp)

Esteemed colleague Michael Cunningham reports that the Hawks are close to a sign-and-trade with Phoenix for Josh Childress, who last played for the Hawks in Game 7 against Boston in May 2008. That the Hawks aren’t terribly interested in having the Grecian earner rejoin them should come as no shock.

Back to 2008: Billy Knight, who drafted Childress with the No. 6 pick in June 2004, resigned as general manager after the Boston series. He was replaced by Rick Sund, who knew Childress as a Hawk only from what he’d seen on TV/film, and what Sund saw wasn’t necessarily what we Atlantans had seen.

A lot of us around here believed Childress was a substitute of the first rank — the kind of high-octane reserve every good team needs. (Childress had been stellar against the Celtics, you’ll recall.) Sund saw a guy who couldn’t shoot. He wanted to keep Childress, but not at any price. Thus did a rising NBA team’s sixth man wind up with Olympiakos.

Put simply, Childress saw himself as more important to the Hawks than the new GM did. (So did I, though I give Sund credit for finding Flip Murray and Mo Evans that summer to help offset the loss.) Given that Sund’s still here, the chances of Childress returning to the Hawks have never been good. They’ve regarded him as a bargaining piece if they’ve regarded him at all, and the preliminary details of the sign-and-trade would seem to bear that out.

The Hawks wouldn’t be getting a player in return. They’d be getting, Cunningham reports, a second-round draft choice and a trade exception, which is a salary-cap credit for a future transaction. Which would mean that they got nothing when Childress left for Greece and they wouldn’t be receiving a flesh-and-blood player upon his return. To which I say:

What a waste.

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SOUTH GA DAWG FAN

July 12th, 2010
8:39 am

TOP 5 maybe ?

renegade#1

July 12th, 2010
8:40 am

SOUTH GA DAWG FAN

July 12th, 2010
8:40 am

alright finally a FIRST when i thought I was out of it !!!!!!!

Jay

July 12th, 2010
8:40 am

Steve

July 12th, 2010
8:40 am

Well if the extra cap space we get as a result of the trade goes toward bringing in some new faces (particularly Shaq), then it’s not a waste at all. I would have loved to see Chills back as well but this trade may turn out to look better for Sund than it does at the moment.

Jay

July 12th, 2010
8:41 am

Mark Bradley

July 12th, 2010
8:42 am

Top 1, SOUTH GA. Kudos.

Barnacle Bill Bavasi

July 12th, 2010
8:43 am

Heck, even a cruddy draftee center got them $3 million in cash. Couldn’t they have thrown in a toupee for Sund?

WCJ

July 12th, 2010
8:43 am

Mark, what else could the hawks do? If the hawks sign Shaq and aquire Mo Williams, would get even things out?

renegade#1

July 12th, 2010
8:43 am

I thought josh was a pretty decent player you mean they couldn’t even get a pair of shoe laces for him ?

Jay

July 12th, 2010
8:44 am

I will miss the Big Fro, I thought that he was what was missing in the last two seasons expecially for those “junk” points that he would get without any plays for him.

Stockdog

July 12th, 2010
8:44 am

I agree with Steve; the additional cap space would be helpful. We need a big body down low. I didn’t think that the Hawks should have drafted him. I felt that Luol Deng was a better pick. Anyway, so long to the under average shooter known as J-Chill.

Mark Bradley

July 12th, 2010
8:46 am

You’re right about that, Jay.

dap01

July 12th, 2010
8:47 am

I hope that we use the extra money to actually get someone. Childress over values himself. He was a #6 pick yet he is nothing more than a good role player with the ugliest shot in NBA history.

Come on Sund.

Lowcountry Bulldawg

July 12th, 2010
8:49 am

Who knows at this point. I was reading the posts on the blog and it has so many initials in the comments its almost impossible to figure out what the Hawks move will be. If we can get Shaq AND Mo Williams then the Hawks have had a damn good FA period.

DP

July 12th, 2010
8:52 am

Good for Childress. He’ll fit in with Phoenix where they have a point guard and play team basketball.

Reggie

July 12th, 2010
8:52 am

Anybody who thinks the Hawks are about to make a big follow-up move after this deal is either A.on drugs or B. has not been paying attention to how this team operates on the cheap. The bottom line is we overpaid for Joe Johnson and now we are stuck with them making all these wal-mart “rollback” moves.

Mark Bradley

July 12th, 2010
8:53 am

Where exactly does Mo Williams play? Point guard? If so, what does that mean for Jeff Teague?

Benjamin

July 12th, 2010
8:53 am

I have a sinking feeling that we’re going to see this franchise slowly drift back to irrelevancy in the next two to three years.

Al Horford’s a restricted free agent this upcoming offseason, and with us spending so much money on Joe Johnson until he’s approximately 53 years old — in basketball years, anyway (how many “superstars” play to the levels of earning over 20 million dollars at 35?) — and an assistant coach who represents a lot of the past regime at the helm, I’m going back into “CAUTION: Wait and see…” mode.

I hope they know what they’re doing, but I’m starting to wonder again if they do.

SOUTH GA DAWG FAN

July 12th, 2010
8:53 am

how did childress do in greece has he been dominating maybe improved his shooting ?

fro power

July 12th, 2010
8:54 am

i cant believe the hawks let chills walk for nothing…best wing we had in my opinion…

Stockdog,

Chills is 8 times the player Deng is,Deng is just a shooter

Buddy Grizzard

July 12th, 2010
8:55 am

Saying Josh Childress can’t shoot is an excuse for the Hawks losing out on the only significant offseason acquisition we could have made. Forget what he can’t do, look at what he does: defend and rebound. Something the Hawks did very little of in the Orlando series.

Mark Bradley

July 12th, 2010
8:55 am

Childress’ first year with Olympiakos wasn’t great, SOUTH GA. (It’s different over there.) The second was better.

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Stockdog

July 12th, 2010
8:57 am

He scoring around 15 points and 5 rebounds and 2 assists a game. Nothing spectacular and not dominate.

Lowcountry Bulldawg

July 12th, 2010
8:59 am

Mark,

As I hit submit I wondered that aswell. Mo Williams is an above average PG in the league who has a great 3pt stroke, which the Hawks can benefit from. He has been in big games before and if healthy can provide a legitimate option at PG for a team looking to advance deep into the playoffs.

Now Teague is completely untested at the PG position and will the ownership and staff trust a Rookie essentially to lead this team? We have seen recent evidence w/ Rondo that if you have veterans on a squad you can allow a talented Rookie to learn while on the job.

Its a huge gamble either way. In keeping with Teague you still have Bibby, JJ and Crawford to help at PG, but it is very tempting to bring in a talent like Mo Williams and let him run the show.

D Gram

July 12th, 2010
9:00 am

Yall have to remember, Chills coulda just walked since hawks were not likely to match any offer made. His “rights” were not at all what you may think they were. At least we got something. Even though it is basically garbage.

evan

July 12th, 2010
9:00 am

Mark, I find it so ha.rd to believe that we could not use Josh Childress.

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Benjamin

July 12th, 2010
9:01 am

You know what the irony of all this is? Josh Childress can shoot…

http://www.basketballreference.com/players/playerpage.htm?ilkid=CHILDJO01

Lifetime percentages: .522 from the floor, .799 from the charity stripe, and .360 from beyond the arc…

Andrew Bogut’s got a funky shot in Milwaukee, too. I wonder if the Bucks would consider shipping him to us for a second round pick and a trade exception…

Riggodeaux

July 12th, 2010
9:05 am

Reggie & Benjamin have it right – the repercussions from overpaying Johnson [both in terms of annual salary and length of contract] lead, inevitably, to a regression to, at best, first round playoff losses in the future. Dumb, dumb, dumb. If I have this right, JJ [robin to a batman, at best] will be paid as much, or more, than any of the 3 in Miami, over a longer period of time [except maybe D-Wade], and he’s older and has as much or more wear and tear as any of them? Paid by a franchise relatively short on cash? I’m not that impressed by Josh, a nice role player, but the signal here is that the Johnson deal establishes the Hawks’ ceiling over the next few years, and it isn’t competing the Eastern Division title.

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Craig

July 12th, 2010
9:06 am

The Hawks did not really have a bargaining chip to work with here. They did not have the money to compete with 5/35 mil and since Josh had the option to go back to Greece he held all the chips. The Suns did not have to give much if anything to get him anyway. The Hawks were lucky to get anything in this deal.

CONFEDERATE DAWG

July 12th, 2010
9:09 am

COME ON GUYS WE ARE THE SAME TEAM THAT TRADED NIQUE FOR DANNY MANNINGS SORRY ASS.

ET

July 12th, 2010
9:09 am

It just seems to me that Childress should at least bring a first round pick in return. Heck, Cleveland got two first round picks for James AFTER he chose the Heat. The Heat didn’t have to give those up. They could have said “look you already lost him, take the second round picks and like it”. Why is it that Atlanta always seems to be the Huckleberry.

I also agree that Childress’ hussle was badly needed the last two years on the Hawks team. Maybe Johnson would not have mailed it in during the playoffs. Nobody is lighting a fire under these guy’s butts. Childress did. Sund is making a mistake here. FWIW.

Stotts Era

July 12th, 2010
9:10 am

i love love to get mo williams at the 1 and could care less about teague/bibby

Deemark

July 12th, 2010
9:11 am

I’m not sure i understand this. Does this give us more money and if so, just how much? and what are our plans for using this money, besides getting Shaq?

Jesse

July 12th, 2010
9:11 am

It looks like the Raptors are now using their trade exception (among other things) to get Hedo Turkoglu, so a trade exception can be valuable. If we can use the exception and Marvin Williams to get Mo Williams and Shaq, for instance, then I say it will be worth it. Childress is restricted and most teams no we wouldn’t match, so at least we’re getting something.

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D Gram

July 12th, 2010
9:13 am

This may make yall feel slightly better:

“The Suns are using part of their trade expemption from the Amare Stoudemire sign-and-trade with the Knicks to acquire Childress, so they’re getting value back from the loss of their star big man.”

We are getting a very substantial comparison for Chills as to what the Knicks got for Amare. And we can all agree that Amare is much better than Chills. I understand the Knicks mgmt is also sorry, but still….

BravesFan79

July 12th, 2010
9:14 am

Good for Phoenix, which is my favorite team in the West with the real MVP of last season Steve Nash leading the way. (We all know what Nash accomplished in the playoffs compared to Lebron!)
I think Lawal will be a solid player for them also. But loosing Stodimare really worries me because he was so good in the pick and roll with Nash. But perhaps if they get average/ solid play from their bigmen on offense, and their defense improves with the loss of Stodamire, and using Turkalu as another 3 shooter helps also.. then perhaps the Suns can be right back in the finals of the Western confrence next year. If not, and the team looses alot of ground in the standings, i hope Nash is traded back to the Mavericks.
Cant believe Childress was a #6 pick and we lost him for nothing, what a waste. Billy Knight has to be the worst GM in Atlanta history, well except for the man who traded Dominique for a rent-a-player of course.. Pete Babcock, who is still despised in Atlanta for the trade when the Hawks were a 1st place team.

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PMC

July 12th, 2010
9:29 am

Another huge Billy Knight bust for the Hawks. He’s a decent enough player, he’s made a lot of money for himself and I think he’ll be an excellent player for the Suns but for whatever reason Chills hated his time here and that’s obvious.

You can’t hope to be a great team while striking out with draft picks. Chills ends up being absolutely worthless for the Hawks, combine him with the Slumlord and Marvelous Marvin Williams who (again didn’t start even in college) and it seems the self described “basketball expert” didn’t do a whole lot of analysis other than wingspan.

Thanks Billy. At least the shot in the dark you took with Josh Smith worked out.

D Hawks

July 12th, 2010
9:34 am

Josh was not worth a #6 pick to begin with; he is a career 10 – 12 pts 5 – 6 rebounds per game player and no one was going to give the Hawks equivalent “perceived” value in return. He looked good in a Hawks uniform because there were a lot of sorry people filling out the remainder of the roster. Chalk this one up to another wasted lottery pick, and we still don’t have a significant offseason personnel move that will upgrade the Hawks roster. This team is in trouble in the East. Right now, I don’t see them being a top 4 seed. It’s clear that money is a huge factor despite the Joe Johnson signing.

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