Would you say, ‘Yahoo!’ to a Dallas sign-and-trade for Joe?

Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo! Sports reports that Mark Cuban, of whom you’ve heard, wants to land free-agent-to-be Joe Johnson via a sign-and-trade. This makes sense. Dwane Casey, whom the Hawks should have hired as their coach, works as an assistant for Cuban’s Dallas Mavericks, and in conversations Casey has stressed how difficult a matchup the Mavs consider Johnson.

Of greater interest (at least to me) than Cuban’s interest in Johnson is this: What Mavs would be apt to be available to the Hawks via a sign-and-trade? Dirk Nowitzki is a free agent, but he’s going to command max money himself and isn’t apt to leave Big D.  Brendan Haywood has long been mentioned by you folks as a center of interest, and he’s a free agent, too. So let’s say Joe-for-Haywood … and who else?

Jason Kidd is on the Mavs’ roster, but he makes too much and is too old (37). Jason Terry is another option, but the Hawks have been there and done that. Shawn Marion is 32 and isn’t the player he was. But there’s one more name on the Maverick manifest that intrigues the heck out of me.

Caron Butler.

I like Caron Butler a lot. (He’s 30, and he has only one year remaining on his contract, which in the NBA makes him a hugely desirable commodity.) Heck, I proposed this time a year ago that the Hawks work a sign-and-trade with Washington for Butler, sending Marvin Williams to the Wizards in exchange. And if you’re asking me if I’d be willing to consider a similar package — Joe and Marvin to Dallas for Butler and Haywood — I’d say yes.

If you want Haywood as your starting center, that means Al Horford moves to power forward and Josh Smith shifts to small forward. And Butler is a small forward, which means acquiring him would be tantamount to setting up another deal. But if you’re hiring Haywood as a backup center … well, this could work.

A frontcourt of Horfy, Josh and Butler, plus a backcourt of Jamal Crawford and Jeff Teague/Mike Bibby. That might be OK. Not NBA-title-worthy, but definitely OK.

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MatthewH

June 28th, 2010
12:22 pm

twice in one day?

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Mark Bradley

June 28th, 2010
12:25 pm

MatthewH needs a heat check. Kudos.

MatthewH

June 28th, 2010
12:29 pm

But in your front court of Horford, Butler and Smith, who is your Center? Or do you not have a “true” center?

bruck

June 28th, 2010
12:33 pm

butler could also be a shooting guard he is only 6′6″ or 6′7″

Joe Don't Go Squad

June 28th, 2010
12:34 pm

Blue

June 28th, 2010
12:34 pm

I’m in. Haywood starts at 5, move Al to 4, Caron at 3. Dangle Josh Smith for possible trade and see what’s out there.

Vomax

June 28th, 2010
12:35 pm

if our starting five is Haywood, Horford, Smith, Butler, and Teague, then sign me up…though i’ll admit that does create the problem of putting only one, true shooter on the court in Butler, though Teague has a chance to develop.

Stotts Era

June 28th, 2010
12:35 pm

glad we are striving for ‘OK’ (thats sarcasm)

Jamaaliver

June 28th, 2010
12:35 pm

Mark, good to have you back.

Caron would absolutely be a boon to this team. It’s a bit of a wash between the caliber of p[layer that Butler and Johnson are. But getting Heywood definitely makes us a better team.

MojoD

June 28th, 2010
12:36 pm

Hell yeah I’d be all for it. Or a trade similar to such as long as we aren’t aquiring an old contract such as Jason Kidd. I’m not real sure I’d want Jason Terry back here either. But then again having JT and Jamal Crawford wouldn’t be aweful. We need to sign and trade Joe J so we at least get something. I personally don’t think he deserves max money and after his dismal post season and more than happy expecting him to be bye-bye.

JSS

June 28th, 2010
12:37 pm

Doesn’t Butler bring the same problem as Johnson, the ages of the players? This is a threading water proposal…

Gilley

June 28th, 2010
12:38 pm

Mark, you were one of the few who agreed that finding a “true center” was not really our issue and Horford did a solid job at the position right?

I think the acquisition of Brendan Haywood would be nice. He has size, length and can do a better job on Dwight Howard than Horford and Pachulia but for him to start, I say no. Caron would be a great addition.

But you mention how these moves won’t be NBA Championship Caliber moves…When will the Spirit be willing to make NBA Championship caliber moves, because that is the entire point right? They are much too frugal and operating more economical than expeditiously to win a NBA TITLE.

Fast Eddie

June 28th, 2010
12:38 pm

Let JJ go, hes overated, overpaid, & doesnt want to be here, do a sign & trade & let Jamal start in his spot, bet as a starter he averages as much as JJ did, put Teague at point, get rid of Bibby, Marvin,

Meanwhile...Greek myths are still relevant

June 28th, 2010
12:39 pm

Wasn’t there a Greek myth about a group of guys who pushed a basketball to the second round of the playoffs, only to see it roll to the bottom of the hill again, and again, and again?

Balderdash

June 28th, 2010
12:39 pm

As Mac said in Super Troopers, “Do eeet.”

MagnaCarterGT

June 28th, 2010
12:40 pm

I’m going to keep my ear to the ground on this one, being a Dallas native, but I can’t see the Mavs trading Caron Butler. But maybe they would for Joe Johnson. We’ll see.

Stotts Era

June 28th, 2010
12:41 pm

Anyone who suggests a line-up with josh smith at the 3 needs to turn in their fan card, that is just idiotic.

O'Brien

June 28th, 2010
12:41 pm

Mark,

Given that Dampier’s contract is only partially guaranteed, and the Mavs would prefer to have Haywood at center, I dont think they will be willing to give up Haywood.

As a Hawks fan though, I would love to get Haywood (he would play off the bench for us) and Butler for Marvin and Joe.

If we get Butler though, I would see if the Grizzlies want Butler and first round pick in a sign and trade for Rudy Gay.

jon

June 28th, 2010
12:41 pm

Mark, it certainley would help the sting of losing Joe! Very good suggestion, but don’t love heywood, he seems a bit soft!

HawkKingBibby

June 28th, 2010
12:41 pm

There is good reason the Mavs would make Butler available for Joe Johnson. Its because Joe is a much better player than Butler. We can sign Haywood to the mle.

Reid Adair

June 28th, 2010
12:43 pm

Absolutely. Sign Joe Johnson, then trade him to Dallas or whoever wants him. Caron Butler is an interesting consideration.

Alex

June 28th, 2010
12:47 pm

Don’t give up on Marvin until we see what happens when a coach actually runs a play or two through him. One more year, then he can go if he still doesn’t produce. Let Joe go

Mark Bradley

June 28th, 2010
12:48 pm

Not exactly treading water, JSS. That’s why I mentioned that Butler’s contract expires after next season. The Hawks wouldn’t have to make a long-term commitment to him.

Balderdash

June 28th, 2010
12:49 pm

Actually, Haywood’s stats seem a lot like those of Jon Koncak.

Mark Bradley

June 28th, 2010
12:49 pm

I would under no circumstances move Josh Smith to 3.

i_am_soulstar

June 28th, 2010
12:49 pm

I’d take Joe over Caron any day, but if Joe is intent on leaving, then Caron is a good consolation prize.

HawkKingBibby

June 28th, 2010
12:50 pm

M.B. You gotta talk to some people inside Hawkville to see what they think about that kid Rodrigue Beaubois on dallas. I think that guy is going to be a star or dam close to it. If they can get him from Dallas as well as Butler it may be a solid trade for the Hawks.

JC

June 28th, 2010
12:50 pm

What I’m having trouble coming to terms with is the diminishing return for a sign-and-trade with Johnson. We would be taking a current all-star and starter for a former all-star and backup center, and an excellent and passable shooter for a big butt in center and at least one starter who might have to play out of position or come off the bench. I like Caron and Haywood has been my answer to the 5 for a while now, but they would be so much better with a lights-out shooter like Joe to play with.

Mark Bradley

June 28th, 2010
12:50 pm

And I wouldn’t necessarily go for Haywood as a starting center. He’s not as good as Horford. But he’s better than Zaza Pachulia.

Vomax

June 28th, 2010
12:50 pm

Josh playing the 3 is no more out of position than Horford playing the 4 – Josh is as much a shooter as Horford is a banger. I’d simply rather have Smith in the starting lineup than Crawford.

Stockdog

June 28th, 2010
12:51 pm

we still don’t win 50 games. Re-sign Joe.

Vomax

June 28th, 2010
12:51 pm

horford playing the ‘5′ – ’scuse me

Jay

June 28th, 2010
12:51 pm

Any move that puts Josh Smith at Small Forward is doomed to fail, thus I do not endorse it.

allan in texas

June 28th, 2010
12:52 pm

Has Jordan Crawford been introduced to the media in Atlanta yet? Maybe Mr. Sund have a few things in his bag of tricks coming ? I would love a sign and trade of JJ for Haywood and Butler.

Luther

June 28th, 2010
12:52 pm

Mark has his radar lock on a player. We should expect one article per year asking “why not?” At least we’ve moved on from Jaret Jack.

Stotts Era

June 28th, 2010
12:52 pm

yes haywood is definitely an upgrade over Zaza. Or maybe Zaza can put his Atlanta celebrity status on hold and learn how to be a decent basketball players, after we gave him a 4 year deal.

Mark Bradley

June 28th, 2010
12:53 pm

Jordan Crawford isn’t due to meet the media until rookie camp begins July 9, allan in texas.

Jody

June 28th, 2010
12:54 pm

Any move keeping Smith and Horford as the main 4 and 5 combination is doomed to fail.

Ramon

June 28th, 2010
12:54 pm

Why not just re-sign Joe for the max, and sign Haywood for the MLE? Or do a sign and trade for Haywood, offer Haywood 3 years for $6.9 a year and send Dallas Zaza.

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allan in texas

June 28th, 2010
12:56 pm

I would also be interested in a sign and trade with the Clippers. They have some interesting pieces to work with and it is a move that JJ would like also because then he would not have to be option #1.

JC

June 28th, 2010
12:56 pm

Is there any actual hope of Smith ever developing a jump shot? They’ve got Mark friggin Price on their coaching staff, for Christ’s sake! This whole ordeal would be so much easier if Smoove could shoot and move to the 3.

JSS

June 28th, 2010
12:59 pm

Expiring contracts are worthless when there is no free agent talent to take advantage of signing. Carmello Anthony? he’ll be signed to an extension by the end of August. Are you going to use the money to extend Horford or Jamal Crawford? You’ll still have a big hole because they are staying status quo and not any real pieces to get over the hump…

bruck

June 28th, 2010
1:00 pm

we could trade horford , marvin , future 1st rd pick for chris paul and emeka okufar
watch u think about dat M.B.

Mark Bradley

June 28th, 2010
1:03 pm

That would be a major move, bruck. But then you’d really be small — Okafor isn’t even as big as Horford.

BobWeiss

June 28th, 2010
1:07 pm

Erick Dampier is in the last year of a huge contract ($13+ Million) and would probably be a better option for the Hawks. The Hawks could use his salary to trade for a better player on a team trying to dump salary (ex. Al Jefferson). A possible scenario would be to trade Joe Johnson to Dallas for Dampier, a 1st round pick and another player. The Hawks could easily turn Dampier into a younger and more talented player without losing Joe Johnson’s salary slot.

For everyone thinking of signing Joe Johnson to a max deal, just remember about 6-7 years ago when the Hawks were desperately trying to sign Dampier or Kenyon Martin to max deals. If either of those moves would have worked out, we never would have had a Joe Johnson in his prime.

nobody

June 28th, 2010
1:07 pm

How is Horford staying status quo? He has improved every year and made the All Star Team.

Larry the cable guy

June 28th, 2010
1:10 pm

Git her done…

chuckw/deadjournalist

June 28th, 2010
1:11 pm

The rumor of Houston having interest with a s/t for JJ would be more in-line when the Hawks needs. Kelvin Martin and Shane Battier for JJ would be a net-gain for the Hawks. Martin is younger than JJ and a scorer. Battier only has a year left and would be and upgrade at small-forward … plus he brings leadership that the team needs. That opens the door to moving, at minimum, Mo Evans.

But since we are talking Dallas, Butler and Dampier (plus a couple of picks) would, I think, be a better match. That would give you three guys with expiring deals (w/ Crawford) next year. It also keeps you competitive this year. Damp would be the back-up 5 and Butler moves Marvin to the bench. Crawford moves into the starting line-up w/ bargain signing to find a defensive two/bench scorer (hello Flip).