Would you say, ‘Yahoo!’ to a Dallas sign-and-trade for Joe?
Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo! Sports reports that Mark Cuban, of whom you’ve heard, wants to land free-agent-to-be Joe Johnson via a sign-and-trade. This makes sense. Dwane Casey, whom the Hawks should have hired as their coach, works as an assistant for Cuban’s Dallas Mavericks, and in conversations Casey has stressed how difficult a matchup the Mavs consider Johnson.
Of greater interest (at least to me) than Cuban’s interest in Johnson is this: What Mavs would be apt to be available to the Hawks via a sign-and-trade? Dirk Nowitzki is a free agent, but he’s going to command max money himself and isn’t apt to leave Big D. Brendan Haywood has long been mentioned by you folks as a center of interest, and he’s a free agent, too. So let’s say Joe-for-Haywood … and who else?
Jason Kidd is on the Mavs’ roster, but he makes too much and is too old (37). Jason Terry is another option, but the Hawks have been there and done that. Shawn Marion is 32 and isn’t the player he was. But there’s one more name on the Maverick manifest that intrigues the heck out of me.
Caron Butler.
I like Caron Butler a lot. (He’s 30, and he has only one year remaining on his contract, which in the NBA makes him a hugely desirable commodity.) Heck, I proposed this time a year ago that the Hawks work a sign-and-trade with Washington for Butler, sending Marvin Williams to the Wizards in exchange. And if you’re asking me if I’d be willing to consider a similar package — Joe and Marvin to Dallas for Butler and Haywood — I’d say yes.
If you want Haywood as your starting center, that means Al Horford moves to power forward and Josh Smith shifts to small forward. And Butler is a small forward, which means acquiring him would be tantamount to setting up another deal. But if you’re hiring Haywood as a backup center … well, this could work.
A frontcourt of Horfy, Josh and Butler, plus a backcourt of Jamal Crawford and Jeff Teague/Mike Bibby. That might be OK. Not NBA-title-worthy, but definitely OK.
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MatthewH
June 28th, 2010
12:22 pm
twice in one day?
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June 28th, 2010
12:24 pm
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Mark Bradley
June 28th, 2010
12:25 pm
MatthewH needs a heat check. Kudos.
MatthewH
June 28th, 2010
12:29 pm
But in your front court of Horford, Butler and Smith, who is your Center? Or do you not have a “true” center?
bruck
June 28th, 2010
12:33 pm
butler could also be a shooting guard he is only 6′6″ or 6′7″
Joe Don't Go Squad
June 28th, 2010
12:34 pm
http://joe_dont_go.WebStarts.com/index.html
Blue
June 28th, 2010
12:34 pm
I’m in. Haywood starts at 5, move Al to 4, Caron at 3. Dangle Josh Smith for possible trade and see what’s out there.
Vomax
June 28th, 2010
12:35 pm
if our starting five is Haywood, Horford, Smith, Butler, and Teague, then sign me up…though i’ll admit that does create the problem of putting only one, true shooter on the court in Butler, though Teague has a chance to develop.
Stotts Era
June 28th, 2010
12:35 pm
glad we are striving for ‘OK’ (thats sarcasm)
Jamaaliver
June 28th, 2010
12:35 pm
Mark, good to have you back.
Caron would absolutely be a boon to this team. It’s a bit of a wash between the caliber of p[layer that Butler and Johnson are. But getting Heywood definitely makes us a better team.
MojoD
June 28th, 2010
12:36 pm
Hell yeah I’d be all for it. Or a trade similar to such as long as we aren’t aquiring an old contract such as Jason Kidd. I’m not real sure I’d want Jason Terry back here either. But then again having JT and Jamal Crawford wouldn’t be aweful. We need to sign and trade Joe J so we at least get something. I personally don’t think he deserves max money and after his dismal post season and more than happy expecting him to be bye-bye.
JSS
June 28th, 2010
12:37 pm
Doesn’t Butler bring the same problem as Johnson, the ages of the players? This is a threading water proposal…
Gilley
June 28th, 2010
12:38 pm
Mark, you were one of the few who agreed that finding a “true center” was not really our issue and Horford did a solid job at the position right?
I think the acquisition of Brendan Haywood would be nice. He has size, length and can do a better job on Dwight Howard than Horford and Pachulia but for him to start, I say no. Caron would be a great addition.
But you mention how these moves won’t be NBA Championship Caliber moves…When will the Spirit be willing to make NBA Championship caliber moves, because that is the entire point right? They are much too frugal and operating more economical than expeditiously to win a NBA TITLE.
Fast Eddie
June 28th, 2010
12:38 pm
Let JJ go, hes overated, overpaid, & doesnt want to be here, do a sign & trade & let Jamal start in his spot, bet as a starter he averages as much as JJ did, put Teague at point, get rid of Bibby, Marvin,
Meanwhile...Greek myths are still relevant
June 28th, 2010
12:39 pm
Wasn’t there a Greek myth about a group of guys who pushed a basketball to the second round of the playoffs, only to see it roll to the bottom of the hill again, and again, and again?
Balderdash
June 28th, 2010
12:39 pm
As Mac said in Super Troopers, “Do eeet.”
MagnaCarterGT
June 28th, 2010
12:40 pm
I’m going to keep my ear to the ground on this one, being a Dallas native, but I can’t see the Mavs trading Caron Butler. But maybe they would for Joe Johnson. We’ll see.
Stotts Era
June 28th, 2010
12:41 pm
Anyone who suggests a line-up with josh smith at the 3 needs to turn in their fan card, that is just idiotic.
O'Brien
June 28th, 2010
12:41 pm
Mark,
Given that Dampier’s contract is only partially guaranteed, and the Mavs would prefer to have Haywood at center, I dont think they will be willing to give up Haywood.
As a Hawks fan though, I would love to get Haywood (he would play off the bench for us) and Butler for Marvin and Joe.
If we get Butler though, I would see if the Grizzlies want Butler and first round pick in a sign and trade for Rudy Gay.
jon
June 28th, 2010
12:41 pm
Mark, it certainley would help the sting of losing Joe! Very good suggestion, but don’t love heywood, he seems a bit soft!
HawkKingBibby
June 28th, 2010
12:41 pm
There is good reason the Mavs would make Butler available for Joe Johnson. Its because Joe is a much better player than Butler. We can sign Haywood to the mle.
Reid Adair
June 28th, 2010
12:43 pm
Absolutely. Sign Joe Johnson, then trade him to Dallas or whoever wants him. Caron Butler is an interesting consideration.
Alex
June 28th, 2010
12:47 pm
Don’t give up on Marvin until we see what happens when a coach actually runs a play or two through him. One more year, then he can go if he still doesn’t produce. Let Joe go
Mark Bradley
June 28th, 2010
12:48 pm
Not exactly treading water, JSS. That’s why I mentioned that Butler’s contract expires after next season. The Hawks wouldn’t have to make a long-term commitment to him.
Balderdash
June 28th, 2010
12:49 pm
Actually, Haywood’s stats seem a lot like those of Jon Koncak.
Mark Bradley
June 28th, 2010
12:49 pm
I would under no circumstances move Josh Smith to 3.
i_am_soulstar
June 28th, 2010
12:49 pm
I’d take Joe over Caron any day, but if Joe is intent on leaving, then Caron is a good consolation prize.
HawkKingBibby
June 28th, 2010
12:50 pm
M.B. You gotta talk to some people inside Hawkville to see what they think about that kid Rodrigue Beaubois on dallas. I think that guy is going to be a star or dam close to it. If they can get him from Dallas as well as Butler it may be a solid trade for the Hawks.
JC
June 28th, 2010
12:50 pm
What I’m having trouble coming to terms with is the diminishing return for a sign-and-trade with Johnson. We would be taking a current all-star and starter for a former all-star and backup center, and an excellent and passable shooter for a big butt in center and at least one starter who might have to play out of position or come off the bench. I like Caron and Haywood has been my answer to the 5 for a while now, but they would be so much better with a lights-out shooter like Joe to play with.
Mark Bradley
June 28th, 2010
12:50 pm
And I wouldn’t necessarily go for Haywood as a starting center. He’s not as good as Horford. But he’s better than Zaza Pachulia.
Vomax
June 28th, 2010
12:50 pm
Josh playing the 3 is no more out of position than Horford playing the 4 – Josh is as much a shooter as Horford is a banger. I’d simply rather have Smith in the starting lineup than Crawford.
Stockdog
June 28th, 2010
12:51 pm
we still don’t win 50 games. Re-sign Joe.
Vomax
June 28th, 2010
12:51 pm
horford playing the ‘5′ – ’scuse me
Jay
June 28th, 2010
12:51 pm
Any move that puts Josh Smith at Small Forward is doomed to fail, thus I do not endorse it.
allan in texas
June 28th, 2010
12:52 pm
Has Jordan Crawford been introduced to the media in Atlanta yet? Maybe Mr. Sund have a few things in his bag of tricks coming ? I would love a sign and trade of JJ for Haywood and Butler.
Luther
June 28th, 2010
12:52 pm
Mark has his radar lock on a player. We should expect one article per year asking “why not?” At least we’ve moved on from Jaret Jack.
Stotts Era
June 28th, 2010
12:52 pm
yes haywood is definitely an upgrade over Zaza. Or maybe Zaza can put his Atlanta celebrity status on hold and learn how to be a decent basketball players, after we gave him a 4 year deal.
Mark Bradley
June 28th, 2010
12:53 pm
Jordan Crawford isn’t due to meet the media until rookie camp begins July 9, allan in texas.
Jody
June 28th, 2010
12:54 pm
Any move keeping Smith and Horford as the main 4 and 5 combination is doomed to fail.
Ramon
June 28th, 2010
12:54 pm
Why not just re-sign Joe for the max, and sign Haywood for the MLE? Or do a sign and trade for Haywood, offer Haywood 3 years for $6.9 a year and send Dallas Zaza.
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allan in texas
June 28th, 2010
12:56 pm
I would also be interested in a sign and trade with the Clippers. They have some interesting pieces to work with and it is a move that JJ would like also because then he would not have to be option #1.
JC
June 28th, 2010
12:56 pm
Is there any actual hope of Smith ever developing a jump shot? They’ve got Mark friggin Price on their coaching staff, for Christ’s sake! This whole ordeal would be so much easier if Smoove could shoot and move to the 3.
JSS
June 28th, 2010
12:59 pm
Expiring contracts are worthless when there is no free agent talent to take advantage of signing. Carmello Anthony? he’ll be signed to an extension by the end of August. Are you going to use the money to extend Horford or Jamal Crawford? You’ll still have a big hole because they are staying status quo and not any real pieces to get over the hump…
bruck
June 28th, 2010
1:00 pm
we could trade horford , marvin , future 1st rd pick for chris paul and emeka okufar
watch u think about dat M.B.
Mark Bradley
June 28th, 2010
1:03 pm
That would be a major move, bruck. But then you’d really be small — Okafor isn’t even as big as Horford.
BobWeiss
June 28th, 2010
1:07 pm
Erick Dampier is in the last year of a huge contract ($13+ Million) and would probably be a better option for the Hawks. The Hawks could use his salary to trade for a better player on a team trying to dump salary (ex. Al Jefferson). A possible scenario would be to trade Joe Johnson to Dallas for Dampier, a 1st round pick and another player. The Hawks could easily turn Dampier into a younger and more talented player without losing Joe Johnson’s salary slot.
For everyone thinking of signing Joe Johnson to a max deal, just remember about 6-7 years ago when the Hawks were desperately trying to sign Dampier or Kenyon Martin to max deals. If either of those moves would have worked out, we never would have had a Joe Johnson in his prime.
nobody
June 28th, 2010
1:07 pm
How is Horford staying status quo? He has improved every year and made the All Star Team.
Larry the cable guy
June 28th, 2010
1:10 pm
Git her done…
chuckw/deadjournalist
June 28th, 2010
1:11 pm
The rumor of Houston having interest with a s/t for JJ would be more in-line when the Hawks needs. Kelvin Martin and Shane Battier for JJ would be a net-gain for the Hawks. Martin is younger than JJ and a scorer. Battier only has a year left and would be and upgrade at small-forward … plus he brings leadership that the team needs. That opens the door to moving, at minimum, Mo Evans.
But since we are talking Dallas, Butler and Dampier (plus a couple of picks) would, I think, be a better match. That would give you three guys with expiring deals (w/ Crawford) next year. It also keeps you competitive this year. Damp would be the back-up 5 and Butler moves Marvin to the bench. Crawford moves into the starting line-up w/ bargain signing to find a defensive two/bench scorer (hello Flip).
aaron
June 28th, 2010
1:11 pm
Hey instead of butler, why not Roddy Beabois? He’s young and shows a lot of promise.
True Hawks Fan
June 28th, 2010
1:11 pm
Guys,
Here is the deal.. Horford needs to play in his normal position which he has not done since he got here. He is not a true center.. Here is what I would do.. Front Court, Haywood, Horford, Smith, Back Court Jamal Crawford and Mike Bibby … Start Crawford.. Keep Bibby and his lack of defense on the sidelines. Teague and hopefully Childress comes back and those guys will rotate in/out. I think this is a playoff caliber team..but I still think we are missing a true start to get us to the promise land. This lineup should make the playoffs..but 2nd round is questionable..
What do you guys think?
James
June 28th, 2010
1:11 pm
This would be a great deal Joe Johnson and Marvin Williams to Dallas and Atlanta gets Caron Butler and Brendan Haywood. Let’s make this a blockbuster deal and give Dallas Mike Bibby and they give us Jason Terry to complete the deal.
Hawks Roster
PG – Jeff Teaque
SG – Caron Butler
SF – Josh Smith
PF – Al Horford
C – Brendon Haywood
JSS
June 28th, 2010
1:13 pm
@ Nobody…
Because your not “adding pieces” to help Horford. I like Horford, I don’t like short term cap manipulation. That is how we got in trouble before.
JSS
June 28th, 2010
1:14 pm
“you’re”
Neki Ecko
June 28th, 2010
1:18 pm
I really think that will work out, because Hawks will get something for Johnson in S/T, but the 60 million dollar question is would Joe would go for it and if this deal go down what other moves can we do after that?
Ben
June 28th, 2010
1:19 pm
Mark, isn’t Haywood a Free Agent as well?
ken
June 28th, 2010
1:21 pm
id rather make them take bibby contract back then trade marvin .. if they want joe bad enough they a do it… roddy burbois(spell check, buttler n hayword for joe, bibby and zaza… n do u think its any chance we bring back al harrington as a back up swing forward
lawzoo
June 28th, 2010
1:21 pm
I’ve followed the Hawks since they played in Tech’s dump after they moved to Atl.from St. Louis.Except for Danny Ainge biting Tree Rollins they have been the dullest most non-descript team in the N.B.A.
Joe Johnson being a big- named Hawk is par for the past 45 year course.
Dominique Wilkins
June 28th, 2010
1:22 pm
Mark. heat check is my line!
Mark Bradley
June 28th, 2010
1:22 pm
Haywood is a free agent, Ben. A sign-and-trade could work both ways.
Reginald
June 28th, 2010
1:22 pm
How about Roddy Beaubois?…I think the Hawks should look at him
John
June 28th, 2010
1:22 pm
**James** did you propose to trade for Jason Terry and **NOT** start him????? wow
Ted M
June 28th, 2010
1:23 pm
Make Josh Smith the sixth man in that scenario.
John
June 28th, 2010
1:24 pm
and *AGAIN**..you cannot start Josh Smith at the 3..why do people propose that…he would never get rebounds or block shots b/c on defense he’d always be around the 3 point line…on offense, he’d never score!!!
LazySam
June 28th, 2010
1:27 pm
So we move our “ALL STAR” center to another position???? Come on. We have some young talent in the middle that will only continue to get better.
So Charles Barkley should not have been a power forward cause he wasn’t tall enough? So height is what makes a center and that is all? I didn’t know Shawn Bradley and Manute Bol were the greatest centers ever!
Haywood is not a starter! He is an ok player who will get you Zaza type numbers.
EL PROBLEM SOLVER
June 28th, 2010
1:27 pm
YA DADGUM HOO !!!!!!!! get something for him before he leaves even if its just the rights to cliff levingston he can’t be much over 50 .
starting 5
PG Teague/crawford
SG Crawford/crawford
SF Levingston/Smith
PF Horford.
C Kwame Brown / brendan haywood =same thing
1ST man off the bench nate robinson
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James
June 28th, 2010
1:29 pm
@John
Jason Terry can come off the bench he will would be taking Mike Bibby spot as the backup point guard.
John
June 28th, 2010
1:29 pm
**Lazy Sam**..EXACTLY
Jesse
June 28th, 2010
1:30 pm
I think hypothetical lineup below would be fun to watch and a pleasant change from what we saw last year, even if it probably would end up with about the same record:
Jeff Teague
Jamal Crawford
Caron Butler
Josh Smith
Al Horford
Bench: Mike Bibby, Jordan Crawford, Josh Childress, Brendan Haywood
(Could we include Childress in the deal instead of Marvin, if Chills doesn’t want to come back?)
Mark Bradley
June 28th, 2010
1:30 pm
That’s a good point, Jesse. I’m not sure Childress has a future as a Hawk.
John
June 28th, 2010
1:31 pm
@James…he would NOT come off the bench for Atlanta…not a chance. And no way you can start him over Teague. I want to see Teague start…but if JT was in Atlanta, no way you can play him off the bench. Again, he wouldn’t play off the bench anyway, so moot point.
John
June 28th, 2010
1:33 pm
I think we all know deep down Chillz will NEVER wear a Hawks uniform again…only way he signs with Atlanta is with a sign and trade…people might as well get that dream out of their heads about him returning to the ATL
John
June 28th, 2010
1:33 pm
@James…I’m sorry, I meant no way you “can’t” start him over Teague
Mark Bradley
June 28th, 2010
1:34 pm
I’d agree, John. Childress is a negotiating piece.
mike
June 28th, 2010
1:37 pm
FYI.. i believe i was the first one to post a link to the yahoo story in your earlier JJ article this morning.. kudos to me..
hmmmmmmm
June 28th, 2010
1:37 pm
i would rather have Butler than Joe……. brings more attitude to the game. And he can straight ball.
John
June 28th, 2010
1:37 pm
MB…about the rumors in LA and NY…who would you like to see from both teams, in a sign and trade for JJ…obviously meaning pieces that would work. I look at their rosters and I honestly don’t know what would really work for Atlanta.
Mark Bradley
June 28th, 2010
1:39 pm
You were, mike. Kudos to you indeed.
Mark Bradley
June 28th, 2010
1:40 pm
I’m not sure the Knicks have much of anything beyond David Lee, John, and he, as has been noted, is himself a free agent and probably wouldn’t fit here alongside Horfy and Josh. The Clippers always have players — Eric Gordon, maybe — but if they’re all that great why don’t the Clippers ever win?
John
June 28th, 2010
1:42 pm
MB…exactly…that’s what scares me about him going to those 2 teams. what would be our best return…draft picks? that is honestly horrifying…even if they are lottery picks. I think Dallas is the best fit, from what I’ve seen. Unless, and this is me dreaming, some miracle happened and we worked a deal with New Orleans and got Paul here….but again, just dreaming on that one. lol Excellent work as always Mark
SOUTH GA DAWG FAN
June 28th, 2010
1:43 pm
Crawford had so much success off the bench does anyone really won’t to take a chance at messing up his groove by putting him in the starting lineup ? I don’t . Start bibby bring crawford in after two or three minutes but don’t mess up his mojo.
Mark Bradley
June 28th, 2010
1:44 pm
You can’t just do a sign-and-trade involving draft picks, John. The salaries going between teams have to approximate one another. But that can be tricky to negotiate.
aaron
June 28th, 2010
1:45 pm
roddy beaubois would solve our point guard issue, or at the very least give teague some competition and let us get rid of bibby
James
June 28th, 2010
1:46 pm
@John
He comes off the bench now in Dallas now Jason Kidd is Dallas starting Point guard so he should be able to come off the bench in Atlanta.
John
June 28th, 2010
1:46 pm
Cuban LOVES beaubois…I don’t see him trading that kid
Mark Bradley
June 28th, 2010
1:46 pm
I’m not certain you want two second-year point guards, aaron. Pretty certain you don’t, actually.
John
June 28th, 2010
1:47 pm
@James…I know…and I didn’t mean that he “couldn’t”…I said he “wouldn’t”. In Dallas, he behind a hall of famer….in Atlanta, behind an unknown (Teague). I am pretty sure he would have issues with that one.
aaron
June 28th, 2010
1:47 pm
well if we give them joe johnson and josh smith- he may think of letting beaubois go- joe josh and marvin for beaubois haywood and butler
James
June 28th, 2010
1:48 pm
I think the best deal for Atlanta would be sign and trade Joe Johnson and throw in Marvin Williams to Memphis for Ronnie Brewer and Marc Gasol. The Hawks will have Ronnie Brewer to replace Joe and they will have a legit center in Marc Gasol.
aaron
June 28th, 2010
1:48 pm
@Mark
I dont think it would make that big of a difference if we keep jamal- hes a veteran leader who can play both guard positions
John
June 28th, 2010
1:51 pm
@James…doesn’t that put Horford at the 4 and Smith at the 3???? Smith CANNOT play the 3…lol He just can’t…not a good one on one defender and his skills are almost diminished playing that position. Can’t put him there.
Rm
June 28th, 2010
1:56 pm
Josh to play the small forward??? REALLY….the 3 needs to consitently hit the outside shot. We need Joe!
aaron
June 28th, 2010
1:56 pm
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Howard
June 28th, 2010
1:57 pm
I disagree. We still have such a young team. Lets see how Josh does with different coaching. he still has great potential.We can’t keep getting these over 30 players and expecting them to be anything but bench players Instead of what you suggest. I would ask for two first round picks. Let the Hawks have a down year next year. Then trade two or three first rounds to get into the lottery.
aaron
June 28th, 2010
1:57 pm
oops didnt mean to do that haha
uga_b
June 28th, 2010
1:57 pm
How about we trade Joe Johnson and the Thrashers for Dirk and Heywood? I will also throw in 2 concerts with horrible acoustics for the next ten years!
James
June 28th, 2010
1:58 pm
@John
You’re right about Josh playing the 3 but if he really wants to win he need to learn the position and work hard at trying to be good at. If not the hawks need to look into trying to trade him cause he’s not a natural 4 or 5 cause most of the nba teams 4 are much better skilled offensively than Josh Smith he’s just got defensively but the hawks need a 4 that’s good in both.
Dr. Warren
June 28th, 2010
1:59 pm
Let’s all accept that if Lebron and another major star–say Bosh–team up in Chicago then the upcoming championship(s) will almost certainly belong to Chicago, LA, or maybe Orlando. OKlahoma has a chance to move into that group by 2012. Then we should always preface all this talk about the Hawks with “what moves can they make to consistently get to 50 wins and the 2nd round.” And we should resign ourselves to enjoying the chess game that potentially leads to that best-case-scenario.
TONE
June 28th, 2010
1:59 pm
If the hawks make the wrong (cheap) moves here they will have a lottery pick next year without having to trade for it.
toni
June 28th, 2010
2:00 pm
let joe leave he did not play well in the playoff and for me when you don’t play well in the post season mean that you got to go.he made to much money and when the time come for him to make the difference in the playoff he fall so let him go period..
bball fan
June 28th, 2010
2:00 pm
Welcome back…hope all is well. As for Butler, sounds like a scenario worth pursuing. The Hawks could allow a talented, yet malcontent, player (whose regard by most Hawks fans/observers right now probably falls somewhere on the spectrum from apathy to intense loathing) the chance to pursue success elsewhere while getting a one-year ‘test drive’ of someone else.
TONE
June 28th, 2010
2:02 pm
you know we really should get something for being the first post on page two , kinda like being the first team out of the lottery .
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Vomax
June 28th, 2010
2:05 pm
It seems like Josh Smith is to the Hawks what Michael Vick was to the Falcons – supremely talented, but unable to put it together to achieve his potential — and almost a man “without a position.” Would the Hawks be best served to move him, rather than continue to wait for the promise of his talent to turn into the production we hope to one day see? Think about it: if we say that he’s not a ‘3′ in that he’s not a shooter, and that he’s not a ‘4′ because he lacks the offensive skill set and requisite height, then – other than exiciting and frustrating – what is he?
Vomax
June 28th, 2010
2:07 pm
A unifying concept of a lot of these posts is: Where does Josh Smith fit in the lineup? And I can’t help but suggest: how about to another team?
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Mark Bradley
June 28th, 2010
2:12 pm
You might have just started something, TONE.
Seth Hardizzle
June 28th, 2010
2:15 pm
This is an option thats definatly worth trying. I dont think Joe thinks he can win anything in Atlanta which sucks but i would much rather sign and trade than just let him go without getting anything. But if we can sign and trade joe what about a guy like David lee or better carlos boozer to put down low to strenghthen the front court. But no matter what we will have to replace Joes points to get back to the play offs. Im not sure who but some ppl are going to have to step it up on the offensive for us to have a chance.
hawkfan
June 28th, 2010
2:16 pm
definately have to consider making that deal!
John
June 28th, 2010
2:17 pm
@James…honestly, as much as I like Josh Smith (and detest him other times…lol)..I wouldn’t mind him being traded. Now saying that…let’s say JJ leaves for Dallas and ATL gets Butler and Haywood.
PG Teague
SG Crawford
SF Butler
PF Horford
C Haywood
I’m not a fan of this because Horford is an all star at center..why move him? Also, I left off Josh Smith assuming he would get traded. And Marvin Williams isn’t in my starting lineup either…that’s what…80 – 100 million dollars in 2 players? They certainly aren’t on bench, so where do they go…and what would we get back? I’m not criticizing..just simply asking. Can we trade them for a real owner??? lol
Willie Coyote
June 28th, 2010
2:46 pm
The Hawks are one of the top teams in the East as currently constituted. The only moves they should be making are ones that bring them closer to a championship level. Butler & Haywood for Joe and Marvin is hardly worth mentioning as a championship move unless it is paired with another deal that brings some serious quality to this roster.
JSS
June 28th, 2010
2:54 pm
@ Willie Coyote…
Co-sign!!!
Q
June 28th, 2010
3:24 pm
HAYWOOD AND BUTLER! HELL YEAH!!!! WHERE DO WE SIGN?
Stotts Era
June 28th, 2010
3:48 pm
i def like the idea of trading the thrashers for dirk
Jeff D.
June 28th, 2010
4:08 pm
Do it. Let Joe go home. He’d be an idiot to go to NY.
Billy O
June 28th, 2010
4:13 pm
The Hawks have already seen JJ’s best and it is not good enough. If the Hawks do not do a sign and trade with JJ they LOSE.
Daddy Long Long
June 28th, 2010
4:22 pm
We’ve been patient with Marvin, so let’s see if he breaks out this year (I think he’s better than Woody’s offense suggested).
I do think Joe is a goner, we just don’t have the ownership nor max money for him to stay. Don’t hate, it’s NBA business. Good luck Joe wherever you end up. Let’s get a Center in Atlanta!!
Jeff D.
June 28th, 2010
4:24 pm
Dampier is garbage.
Jeff D.
June 28th, 2010
4:28 pm
Daddy Long Long, I agree 100%
ryan
June 28th, 2010
4:28 pm
New York is out of the Joe Johnson sweepstakes he wants to play in the southwest closer to his home in Arkansas. So i think he will sign with the Hawks and then be dealt to a Texas team.
J from the A
June 28th, 2010
4:31 pm
The Hawks cannot move Smith to the 3. He is a defensive/rebounding presence down low, but his outside one-on-one game is to be desired. So, by moving him to the 3, we lose rebounds and defense. Even with this aside, Smith is lacking a quality outside shot and ball handling skills to be productive offensively at the 3. Smith is a near-All Star at the 4. He would be lackluster at the 3.
As for Hayward: Is that who the Hawks really want in the long term … because a two-way S&T would likely make the Hawks commitment to Hayward 4 to 5 years.
As for Butler: I’ve always liked Butler. He can play the 2 or the 3. But what do we need more: A quality center or another 2/3?
If we could package Joe and someone else (Williams? Childress? maybe even Bibby?) for Dampier and Butler, that may be a good move.
Horford/Dampier/Pachulia
Smith/Horford/Pachulia
Butler/Williams or Childress/Evans
Crawford/Butler/Crawford/Evans
Teague/Bibby/Crawford
And considering, Butler, Dampier, and Jamal Crawford would all have expiring contracts, the Hawks would not be tied down long term. Plus, quality expiring contract guys are almost always prime mid-season trade bait.
Barton
June 28th, 2010
4:35 pm
Mark, Will you please inform Rick Sund that we don’t want him to “do everything [he] can to resign Joe Johnson.” That would be much easier since I’m not sure he would get the letters I wrote him.
KC
June 28th, 2010
4:49 pm
Do a sign and trade with Joe Johnson for Devin Harris, giving the Nets a guy to dangle in front of Lebron, and the Hawks a good young PG to pair with Josh and Al. Then try and sign Ray Allen to play the two. Keeping Marvin at the three, and keeping Crawford coming off the bench.
Coach
June 28th, 2010
5:50 pm
My question is for you Mark:
Why would you as a professional in business buy a Franchise team and not attempt to put the best product out there each year?
I’m not an owner, I’m a teacher, but it just seems like a smart idea to draft smart, or as in the Celtics, Magic, Lakers, Patriots, Steelers, Chargers, Yankees, RedSox, Phillies case SPEND SOME DANG $$$ or make trades that matter. Simple right? We just made a trade, a smart trade at the draft for Crawford, got him and another pick, but instead of getting a potential decent bench big, traded that for a couple million. What is that going to get us?? I am frustrated with Hawks ownership and I support our teams, but if the ASG wants fans they need to understand what fans want. Proven winners and players. Chris Pauls, Lebrons, Amare’s, Wade’s. Why not go after him? Create space for next year for Carmelo or something. Make people want to come to the games, PLEASE!!! ATL NEEDS A WINNER AGAIN!! COULD BE ATL YEAR NEXT YEAR WITH Braves getting back right and FALCONS finally there as well.
Adam Gold
June 28th, 2010
5:56 pm
I could see the Hawks losing Johnson and doing nothing. Just nothing. That’s how pathetic the ownership cabal is. So of course getting Hayward and Butler would be much better. I believe they could start Hayward and still get enough minutes for Butler behind Smith. They could also go small with Hayward/Pachulia/Horford, Smith and Butler. It would decrease Marvin Williams minutes (a plus) since he ain’t going nowhere (not cause of value but simply management inertia).
BrittishAnger
June 28th, 2010
6:05 pm
Al Horford for Captain in 2010/2011!!!!
Coach
June 28th, 2010
6:15 pm
So close to something special. Celtics were garbage with just Paul Pierce. They made a couple of trades in one offseason and were instant contenders. We are there. I think Joe can do more than Pierce. Josh can be special and is better every year. I don’t know if Teague is there yet and Bibby is only a spot shooter and game manager other than that he can’t create anymore. Horford is solid, but besides Joe. That is it, Horford and Smith are just solid until proving otherwise. We are a significant trade away or its time for the HIGHFLYING BABIES to grow up. Its time to do something….
Seldin
June 28th, 2010
6:19 pm
Thats The DUMBEST idea in the worldddddddd
Al Hortford
June 28th, 2010
6:32 pm
Al Hortford is 6 ft 8…He is not a center…..he played forward at Florida….Noah was the center…If we get a center and move players to the right position they should be playing, we will be ok….woodson was a idiot
Seneca Media LLC » Blog Archive » trade for Joe?
June 28th, 2010
6:36 pm
[...] trade for Joe? Would you say, ‘Yahoo!’ to a Dallas sign-and-trade for Joe? Atlanta Journal Constitution (blog) Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo! Sports reports that Mark Cuban, of whom you’ve heard, wants to land free-agent-to-be Joe Johnson via a sign-and-trade. … http://blogs.ajc.com/mark-bradley-blog/2010/06/28/would-you-say-yahoo-to-a-dallas-sign-and-trade-for... [...]
ryan
June 28th, 2010
7:52 pm
We need to hope that the ASG can not afford this team any more and that they do put it up for sale and hope that there is a Russian Billionaire or a Mark Cuban some were.
hawksfan3
June 28th, 2010
10:24 pm
I think the hawks should do a couple sign and trade deals if possible. First they should do a sign and trade with dallas: joe johnson for butler and hayward and then try to do another sign and trade with the memphis grizzels: childers, josh smith, and za za for gasol and gay. Then the lineup would be as follow:
PG – teague
SG – bulter
SF – gay
PF – Hortford
C – Gasol
Bench
PG- Crawford/bibby
SG – Crawford/Evans
SF – Williams
PF – RonMon
C – Heyward
rusty
June 28th, 2010
11:16 pm
getting hayward & butler would be great . there would be plenty of minutes for horford,josh & haywood. we dont need to play anyone over 32 minutes like dopy woody did. we could play butler at sf ,have jc start at sg with teague at pg. we would have mw,jc2,zaza,mo& bibby on our bench,this bench is not bad & our 1st team is vastly improved. i like this much more than having slow ball hogging jj.
I Heart Atlanta
June 28th, 2010
11:17 pm
Make a poll to see if we want Joe Johnson back or not
Chip Shot
June 28th, 2010
11:26 pm
heres a new one nobody is suggesting: S&T Joe and add Marvin to the Spurs for Tony Parker and Richard Jefferson
Realsquawk
June 29th, 2010
12:02 am
that works anything that keeps him out of an atlanta uniform works for me
_sturt_
June 29th, 2010
2:08 am
Seems people are failing to understand that Dampier represents an instant-expiring contract which makes him particularly valuable. His contract is not partially guaranteed as someone suggested… it’s not even $1 guaranteed.
One should be able to expect that a person who earns their living writing about sports might use some of their time to do some minimal research. You know, so he could seem like he’s actually worth more to his employer than any Johnny-come-lately internet writer, and seem like he’s putting in an honest day’s work. Something like that.
samuel
June 29th, 2010
9:05 am
The sign and trade of Hayward for Johnson makes the most sense. Then the Hawks can spend money on some free agent help. The Hawks aren’t that far off from being a real contender. Hence prudent basketball moves from here out….
nobody
June 29th, 2010
9:42 am
Can someone give a brief report on this Beabouis guy?
Steve
June 29th, 2010
12:14 pm
Would defintely do a Butler, Haywood trade for JJ, especially if JJ doesn’t want to come back. I for one want JJ back, but if he bolts, let’s get some major pieces for him!
Dallas Mavericks News and Rumors for June 29, 2010 | The Two Man Game
June 29th, 2010
3:31 pm
[...] Mark Bradley of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution seems to like the idea of getting Caron Butler in r…. However, Bradley is proposing a deal of Caron Butler and Brendan Haywood for Joe Johnson, which is too steep a price considering the Mavs’ probable lack of a center rotation. [...]
mark wilson
June 29th, 2010
10:01 pm
mark bradley….this team needs to start the rebuilding process again. Josh Smith is the Hawks Vick. Trade Joe Johnson to Knicks or Nets for 2 first round picks. Trade Josh Smith to the Wizards for the seven footer. Fire Marvin Williams, Bibby, and Pachulia…..they suck. Bring Chilldress back…..they got rid of the one guy that knows how to play ball….damn dummies! Hire an assassin to find and eliminate Billy Knight….and force spirit to run for the hills.
nobody
June 30th, 2010
9:30 am
Al Horford: You are not 6′8″. Youre 6′10″. and this is really getting annoying. Al struggled against One center. Dwight Howard. an ALL NBA PLAYER. Youre not going to sign anyone to shut down howard. He is the best. Horford is one of the best all around centers in the league. Yall are pathetic
J
June 30th, 2010
11:17 am
Dallas would never do this deal, and rightfully so. Joe Johnson is not worth Caron Butler AND Brendan Haywood. Haywood is a relatively young (for a center), 10 and 10 guy. Butler is a few years removed from being an all star. Joe Johnson for Caron Butler? I can see that one happening, but there is no way Dallas would, or should do this trade if it includes Haywood.
Hawking hour « Sports Plop
June 30th, 2010
11:02 pm
[...] Boozer who we can’t afford anyway.[7] The most likely scenario to bringing in a center involves a sign-and-trade sending Joe to Dallas and bringing in Dampier/Haywood.[8] So we’re probably not going to get a big [...]