Would you say, ‘Yahoo!’ to a Dallas sign-and-trade for Joe?
Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo! Sports reports that Mark Cuban, of whom you’ve heard, wants to land free-agent-to-be Joe Johnson via a sign-and-trade. This makes sense. Dwane Casey, whom the Hawks should have hired as their coach, works as an assistant for Cuban’s Dallas Mavericks, and in conversations Casey has stressed how difficult a matchup the Mavs consider Johnson.
Of greater interest (at least to me) than Cuban’s interest in Johnson is this: What Mavs would be apt to be available to the Hawks via a sign-and-trade? Dirk Nowitzki is a free agent, but he’s going to command max money himself and isn’t apt to leave Big D. Brendan Haywood has long been mentioned by you folks as a center of interest, and he’s a free agent, too. So let’s say Joe-for-Haywood … and who else?
Jason Kidd is on the Mavs’ roster, but he makes too much and is too old (37). Jason Terry is another option, but the Hawks have been there and done that. Shawn Marion is 32 and isn’t the player he was. But there’s one more name on the Maverick manifest that intrigues the heck out of me.
Caron Butler.
I like Caron Butler a lot. (He’s 30, and he has only one year remaining on his contract, which in the NBA makes him a hugely desirable commodity.) Heck, I proposed this time a year ago that the Hawks work a sign-and-trade with Washington for Butler, sending Marvin Williams to the Wizards in exchange. And if you’re asking me if I’d be willing to consider a similar package — Joe and Marvin to Dallas for Butler and Haywood — I’d say yes.
If you want Haywood as your starting center, that means Al Horford moves to power forward and Josh Smith shifts to small forward. And Butler is a small forward, which means acquiring him would be tantamount to setting up another deal. But if you’re hiring Haywood as a backup center … well, this could work.
A frontcourt of Horfy, Josh and Butler, plus a backcourt of Jamal Crawford and Jeff Teague/Mike Bibby. That might be OK. Not NBA-title-worthy, but definitely OK.
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TONE
June 28th, 2010
1:59 pm
If the hawks make the wrong (cheap) moves here they will have a lottery pick next year without having to trade for it.
toni
June 28th, 2010
2:00 pm
let joe leave he did not play well in the playoff and for me when you don’t play well in the post season mean that you got to go.he made to much money and when the time come for him to make the difference in the playoff he fall so let him go period..
bball fan
June 28th, 2010
2:00 pm
Welcome back…hope all is well. As for Butler, sounds like a scenario worth pursuing. The Hawks could allow a talented, yet malcontent, player (whose regard by most Hawks fans/observers right now probably falls somewhere on the spectrum from apathy to intense loathing) the chance to pursue success elsewhere while getting a one-year ‘test drive’ of someone else.
TONE
June 28th, 2010
2:02 pm
you know we really should get something for being the first post on page two , kinda like being the first team out of the lottery .
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Vomax
June 28th, 2010
2:05 pm
It seems like Josh Smith is to the Hawks what Michael Vick was to the Falcons – supremely talented, but unable to put it together to achieve his potential — and almost a man “without a position.” Would the Hawks be best served to move him, rather than continue to wait for the promise of his talent to turn into the production we hope to one day see? Think about it: if we say that he’s not a ‘3′ in that he’s not a shooter, and that he’s not a ‘4′ because he lacks the offensive skill set and requisite height, then – other than exiciting and frustrating – what is he?
Vomax
June 28th, 2010
2:07 pm
A unifying concept of a lot of these posts is: Where does Josh Smith fit in the lineup? And I can’t help but suggest: how about to another team?
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Mark Bradley
June 28th, 2010
2:12 pm
You might have just started something, TONE.
Seth Hardizzle
June 28th, 2010
2:15 pm
This is an option thats definatly worth trying. I dont think Joe thinks he can win anything in Atlanta which sucks but i would much rather sign and trade than just let him go without getting anything. But if we can sign and trade joe what about a guy like David lee or better carlos boozer to put down low to strenghthen the front court. But no matter what we will have to replace Joes points to get back to the play offs. Im not sure who but some ppl are going to have to step it up on the offensive for us to have a chance.
hawkfan
June 28th, 2010
2:16 pm
definately have to consider making that deal!
John
June 28th, 2010
2:17 pm
@James…honestly, as much as I like Josh Smith (and detest him other times…lol)..I wouldn’t mind him being traded. Now saying that…let’s say JJ leaves for Dallas and ATL gets Butler and Haywood.
PG Teague
SG Crawford
SF Butler
PF Horford
C Haywood
I’m not a fan of this because Horford is an all star at center..why move him? Also, I left off Josh Smith assuming he would get traded. And Marvin Williams isn’t in my starting lineup either…that’s what…80 – 100 million dollars in 2 players? They certainly aren’t on bench, so where do they go…and what would we get back? I’m not criticizing..just simply asking. Can we trade them for a real owner??? lol
Willie Coyote
June 28th, 2010
2:46 pm
The Hawks are one of the top teams in the East as currently constituted. The only moves they should be making are ones that bring them closer to a championship level. Butler & Haywood for Joe and Marvin is hardly worth mentioning as a championship move unless it is paired with another deal that brings some serious quality to this roster.
JSS
June 28th, 2010
2:54 pm
@ Willie Coyote…
Co-sign!!!
Q
June 28th, 2010
3:24 pm
HAYWOOD AND BUTLER! HELL YEAH!!!! WHERE DO WE SIGN?
Stotts Era
June 28th, 2010
3:48 pm
i def like the idea of trading the thrashers for dirk
Jeff D.
June 28th, 2010
4:08 pm
Do it. Let Joe go home. He’d be an idiot to go to NY.
Billy O
June 28th, 2010
4:13 pm
The Hawks have already seen JJ’s best and it is not good enough. If the Hawks do not do a sign and trade with JJ they LOSE.
Daddy Long Long
June 28th, 2010
4:22 pm
We’ve been patient with Marvin, so let’s see if he breaks out this year (I think he’s better than Woody’s offense suggested).
I do think Joe is a goner, we just don’t have the ownership nor max money for him to stay. Don’t hate, it’s NBA business. Good luck Joe wherever you end up. Let’s get a Center in Atlanta!!
Jeff D.
June 28th, 2010
4:24 pm
Dampier is garbage.
Jeff D.
June 28th, 2010
4:28 pm
Daddy Long Long, I agree 100%
ryan
June 28th, 2010
4:28 pm
New York is out of the Joe Johnson sweepstakes he wants to play in the southwest closer to his home in Arkansas. So i think he will sign with the Hawks and then be dealt to a Texas team.
J from the A
June 28th, 2010
4:31 pm
The Hawks cannot move Smith to the 3. He is a defensive/rebounding presence down low, but his outside one-on-one game is to be desired. So, by moving him to the 3, we lose rebounds and defense. Even with this aside, Smith is lacking a quality outside shot and ball handling skills to be productive offensively at the 3. Smith is a near-All Star at the 4. He would be lackluster at the 3.
As for Hayward: Is that who the Hawks really want in the long term … because a two-way S&T would likely make the Hawks commitment to Hayward 4 to 5 years.
As for Butler: I’ve always liked Butler. He can play the 2 or the 3. But what do we need more: A quality center or another 2/3?
If we could package Joe and someone else (Williams? Childress? maybe even Bibby?) for Dampier and Butler, that may be a good move.
Horford/Dampier/Pachulia
Smith/Horford/Pachulia
Butler/Williams or Childress/Evans
Crawford/Butler/Crawford/Evans
Teague/Bibby/Crawford
And considering, Butler, Dampier, and Jamal Crawford would all have expiring contracts, the Hawks would not be tied down long term. Plus, quality expiring contract guys are almost always prime mid-season trade bait.
Barton
June 28th, 2010
4:35 pm
Mark, Will you please inform Rick Sund that we don’t want him to “do everything [he] can to resign Joe Johnson.” That would be much easier since I’m not sure he would get the letters I wrote him.
KC
June 28th, 2010
4:49 pm
Do a sign and trade with Joe Johnson for Devin Harris, giving the Nets a guy to dangle in front of Lebron, and the Hawks a good young PG to pair with Josh and Al. Then try and sign Ray Allen to play the two. Keeping Marvin at the three, and keeping Crawford coming off the bench.
Coach
June 28th, 2010
5:50 pm
My question is for you Mark:
Why would you as a professional in business buy a Franchise team and not attempt to put the best product out there each year?
I’m not an owner, I’m a teacher, but it just seems like a smart idea to draft smart, or as in the Celtics, Magic, Lakers, Patriots, Steelers, Chargers, Yankees, RedSox, Phillies case SPEND SOME DANG $$$ or make trades that matter. Simple right? We just made a trade, a smart trade at the draft for Crawford, got him and another pick, but instead of getting a potential decent bench big, traded that for a couple million. What is that going to get us?? I am frustrated with Hawks ownership and I support our teams, but if the ASG wants fans they need to understand what fans want. Proven winners and players. Chris Pauls, Lebrons, Amare’s, Wade’s. Why not go after him? Create space for next year for Carmelo or something. Make people want to come to the games, PLEASE!!! ATL NEEDS A WINNER AGAIN!! COULD BE ATL YEAR NEXT YEAR WITH Braves getting back right and FALCONS finally there as well.
Adam Gold
June 28th, 2010
5:56 pm
I could see the Hawks losing Johnson and doing nothing. Just nothing. That’s how pathetic the ownership cabal is. So of course getting Hayward and Butler would be much better. I believe they could start Hayward and still get enough minutes for Butler behind Smith. They could also go small with Hayward/Pachulia/Horford, Smith and Butler. It would decrease Marvin Williams minutes (a plus) since he ain’t going nowhere (not cause of value but simply management inertia).
BrittishAnger
June 28th, 2010
6:05 pm
Al Horford for Captain in 2010/2011!!!!
Coach
June 28th, 2010
6:15 pm
So close to something special. Celtics were garbage with just Paul Pierce. They made a couple of trades in one offseason and were instant contenders. We are there. I think Joe can do more than Pierce. Josh can be special and is better every year. I don’t know if Teague is there yet and Bibby is only a spot shooter and game manager other than that he can’t create anymore. Horford is solid, but besides Joe. That is it, Horford and Smith are just solid until proving otherwise. We are a significant trade away or its time for the HIGHFLYING BABIES to grow up. Its time to do something….
Seldin
June 28th, 2010
6:19 pm
Thats The DUMBEST idea in the worldddddddd
Al Hortford
June 28th, 2010
6:32 pm
Al Hortford is 6 ft 8…He is not a center…..he played forward at Florida….Noah was the center…If we get a center and move players to the right position they should be playing, we will be ok….woodson was a idiot
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ryan
June 28th, 2010
7:52 pm
We need to hope that the ASG can not afford this team any more and that they do put it up for sale and hope that there is a Russian Billionaire or a Mark Cuban some were.
hawksfan3
June 28th, 2010
10:24 pm
I think the hawks should do a couple sign and trade deals if possible. First they should do a sign and trade with dallas: joe johnson for butler and hayward and then try to do another sign and trade with the memphis grizzels: childers, josh smith, and za za for gasol and gay. Then the lineup would be as follow:
PG – teague
SG – bulter
SF – gay
PF – Hortford
C – Gasol
Bench
PG- Crawford/bibby
SG – Crawford/Evans
SF – Williams
PF – RonMon
C – Heyward
rusty
June 28th, 2010
11:16 pm
getting hayward & butler would be great . there would be plenty of minutes for horford,josh & haywood. we dont need to play anyone over 32 minutes like dopy woody did. we could play butler at sf ,have jc start at sg with teague at pg. we would have mw,jc2,zaza,mo& bibby on our bench,this bench is not bad & our 1st team is vastly improved. i like this much more than having slow ball hogging jj.
I Heart Atlanta
June 28th, 2010
11:17 pm
Make a poll to see if we want Joe Johnson back or not
Chip Shot
June 28th, 2010
11:26 pm
heres a new one nobody is suggesting: S&T Joe and add Marvin to the Spurs for Tony Parker and Richard Jefferson
Realsquawk
June 29th, 2010
12:02 am
that works anything that keeps him out of an atlanta uniform works for me
_sturt_
June 29th, 2010
2:08 am
Seems people are failing to understand that Dampier represents an instant-expiring contract which makes him particularly valuable. His contract is not partially guaranteed as someone suggested… it’s not even $1 guaranteed.
One should be able to expect that a person who earns their living writing about sports might use some of their time to do some minimal research. You know, so he could seem like he’s actually worth more to his employer than any Johnny-come-lately internet writer, and seem like he’s putting in an honest day’s work. Something like that.
samuel
June 29th, 2010
9:05 am
The sign and trade of Hayward for Johnson makes the most sense. Then the Hawks can spend money on some free agent help. The Hawks aren’t that far off from being a real contender. Hence prudent basketball moves from here out….
nobody
June 29th, 2010
9:42 am
Can someone give a brief report on this Beabouis guy?
Steve
June 29th, 2010
12:14 pm
Would defintely do a Butler, Haywood trade for JJ, especially if JJ doesn’t want to come back. I for one want JJ back, but if he bolts, let’s get some major pieces for him!
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mark wilson
June 29th, 2010
10:01 pm
mark bradley….this team needs to start the rebuilding process again. Josh Smith is the Hawks Vick. Trade Joe Johnson to Knicks or Nets for 2 first round picks. Trade Josh Smith to the Wizards for the seven footer. Fire Marvin Williams, Bibby, and Pachulia…..they suck. Bring Chilldress back…..they got rid of the one guy that knows how to play ball….damn dummies! Hire an assassin to find and eliminate Billy Knight….and force spirit to run for the hills.
nobody
June 30th, 2010
9:30 am
Al Horford: You are not 6′8″. Youre 6′10″. and this is really getting annoying. Al struggled against One center. Dwight Howard. an ALL NBA PLAYER. Youre not going to sign anyone to shut down howard. He is the best. Horford is one of the best all around centers in the league. Yall are pathetic
J
June 30th, 2010
11:17 am
Dallas would never do this deal, and rightfully so. Joe Johnson is not worth Caron Butler AND Brendan Haywood. Haywood is a relatively young (for a center), 10 and 10 guy. Butler is a few years removed from being an all star. Joe Johnson for Caron Butler? I can see that one happening, but there is no way Dallas would, or should do this trade if it includes Haywood.
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