Would you say, ‘Yahoo!’ to a Dallas sign-and-trade for Joe?
Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo! Sports reports that Mark Cuban, of whom you’ve heard, wants to land free-agent-to-be Joe Johnson via a sign-and-trade. This makes sense. Dwane Casey, whom the Hawks should have hired as their coach, works as an assistant for Cuban’s Dallas Mavericks, and in conversations Casey has stressed how difficult a matchup the Mavs consider Johnson.
Of greater interest (at least to me) than Cuban’s interest in Johnson is this: What Mavs would be apt to be available to the Hawks via a sign-and-trade? Dirk Nowitzki is a free agent, but he’s going to command max money himself and isn’t apt to leave Big D. Brendan Haywood has long been mentioned by you folks as a center of interest, and he’s a free agent, too. So let’s say Joe-for-Haywood … and who else?
Jason Kidd is on the Mavs’ roster, but he makes too much and is too old (37). Jason Terry is another option, but the Hawks have been there and done that. Shawn Marion is 32 and isn’t the player he was. But there’s one more name on the Maverick manifest that intrigues the heck out of me.
Caron Butler.
I like Caron Butler a lot. (He’s 30, and he has only one year remaining on his contract, which in the NBA makes him a hugely desirable commodity.) Heck, I proposed this time a year ago that the Hawks work a sign-and-trade with Washington for Butler, sending Marvin Williams to the Wizards in exchange. And if you’re asking me if I’d be willing to consider a similar package — Joe and Marvin to Dallas for Butler and Haywood — I’d say yes.
If you want Haywood as your starting center, that means Al Horford moves to power forward and Josh Smith shifts to small forward. And Butler is a small forward, which means acquiring him would be tantamount to setting up another deal. But if you’re hiring Haywood as a backup center … well, this could work.
A frontcourt of Horfy, Josh and Butler, plus a backcourt of Jamal Crawford and Jeff Teague/Mike Bibby. That might be OK. Not NBA-title-worthy, but definitely OK.
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aaron
June 28th, 2010
1:11 pm
Hey instead of butler, why not Roddy Beabois? He’s young and shows a lot of promise.
True Hawks Fan
June 28th, 2010
1:11 pm
Guys,
Here is the deal.. Horford needs to play in his normal position which he has not done since he got here. He is not a true center.. Here is what I would do.. Front Court, Haywood, Horford, Smith, Back Court Jamal Crawford and Mike Bibby … Start Crawford.. Keep Bibby and his lack of defense on the sidelines. Teague and hopefully Childress comes back and those guys will rotate in/out. I think this is a playoff caliber team..but I still think we are missing a true start to get us to the promise land. This lineup should make the playoffs..but 2nd round is questionable..
What do you guys think?
James
June 28th, 2010
1:11 pm
This would be a great deal Joe Johnson and Marvin Williams to Dallas and Atlanta gets Caron Butler and Brendan Haywood. Let’s make this a blockbuster deal and give Dallas Mike Bibby and they give us Jason Terry to complete the deal.
Hawks Roster
PG – Jeff Teaque
SG – Caron Butler
SF – Josh Smith
PF – Al Horford
C – Brendon Haywood
JSS
June 28th, 2010
1:13 pm
@ Nobody…
Because your not “adding pieces” to help Horford. I like Horford, I don’t like short term cap manipulation. That is how we got in trouble before.
JSS
June 28th, 2010
1:14 pm
“you’re”
Neki Ecko
June 28th, 2010
1:18 pm
I really think that will work out, because Hawks will get something for Johnson in S/T, but the 60 million dollar question is would Joe would go for it and if this deal go down what other moves can we do after that?
Ben
June 28th, 2010
1:19 pm
Mark, isn’t Haywood a Free Agent as well?
ken
June 28th, 2010
1:21 pm
id rather make them take bibby contract back then trade marvin .. if they want joe bad enough they a do it… roddy burbois(spell check, buttler n hayword for joe, bibby and zaza… n do u think its any chance we bring back al harrington as a back up swing forward
lawzoo
June 28th, 2010
1:21 pm
I’ve followed the Hawks since they played in Tech’s dump after they moved to Atl.from St. Louis.Except for Danny Ainge biting Tree Rollins they have been the dullest most non-descript team in the N.B.A.
Joe Johnson being a big- named Hawk is par for the past 45 year course.
Dominique Wilkins
June 28th, 2010
1:22 pm
Mark. heat check is my line!
Mark Bradley
June 28th, 2010
1:22 pm
Haywood is a free agent, Ben. A sign-and-trade could work both ways.
Reginald
June 28th, 2010
1:22 pm
How about Roddy Beaubois?…I think the Hawks should look at him
John
June 28th, 2010
1:22 pm
**James** did you propose to trade for Jason Terry and **NOT** start him????? wow
Ted M
June 28th, 2010
1:23 pm
Make Josh Smith the sixth man in that scenario.
John
June 28th, 2010
1:24 pm
and *AGAIN**..you cannot start Josh Smith at the 3..why do people propose that…he would never get rebounds or block shots b/c on defense he’d always be around the 3 point line…on offense, he’d never score!!!
LazySam
June 28th, 2010
1:27 pm
So we move our “ALL STAR” center to another position???? Come on. We have some young talent in the middle that will only continue to get better.
So Charles Barkley should not have been a power forward cause he wasn’t tall enough? So height is what makes a center and that is all? I didn’t know Shawn Bradley and Manute Bol were the greatest centers ever!
Haywood is not a starter! He is an ok player who will get you Zaza type numbers.
EL PROBLEM SOLVER
June 28th, 2010
1:27 pm
YA DADGUM HOO !!!!!!!! get something for him before he leaves even if its just the rights to cliff levingston he can’t be much over 50 .
starting 5
PG Teague/crawford
SG Crawford/crawford
SF Levingston/Smith
PF Horford.
C Kwame Brown / brendan haywood =same thing
1ST man off the bench nate robinson
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June 28th, 2010
1:27 pm
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James
June 28th, 2010
1:29 pm
@John
Jason Terry can come off the bench he will would be taking Mike Bibby spot as the backup point guard.
John
June 28th, 2010
1:29 pm
**Lazy Sam**..EXACTLY
Jesse
June 28th, 2010
1:30 pm
I think hypothetical lineup below would be fun to watch and a pleasant change from what we saw last year, even if it probably would end up with about the same record:
Jeff Teague
Jamal Crawford
Caron Butler
Josh Smith
Al Horford
Bench: Mike Bibby, Jordan Crawford, Josh Childress, Brendan Haywood
(Could we include Childress in the deal instead of Marvin, if Chills doesn’t want to come back?)
Mark Bradley
June 28th, 2010
1:30 pm
That’s a good point, Jesse. I’m not sure Childress has a future as a Hawk.
John
June 28th, 2010
1:31 pm
@James…he would NOT come off the bench for Atlanta…not a chance. And no way you can start him over Teague. I want to see Teague start…but if JT was in Atlanta, no way you can play him off the bench. Again, he wouldn’t play off the bench anyway, so moot point.
John
June 28th, 2010
1:33 pm
I think we all know deep down Chillz will NEVER wear a Hawks uniform again…only way he signs with Atlanta is with a sign and trade…people might as well get that dream out of their heads about him returning to the ATL
John
June 28th, 2010
1:33 pm
@James…I’m sorry, I meant no way you “can’t” start him over Teague
Mark Bradley
June 28th, 2010
1:34 pm
I’d agree, John. Childress is a negotiating piece.
mike
June 28th, 2010
1:37 pm
FYI.. i believe i was the first one to post a link to the yahoo story in your earlier JJ article this morning.. kudos to me..
hmmmmmmm
June 28th, 2010
1:37 pm
i would rather have Butler than Joe……. brings more attitude to the game. And he can straight ball.
John
June 28th, 2010
1:37 pm
MB…about the rumors in LA and NY…who would you like to see from both teams, in a sign and trade for JJ…obviously meaning pieces that would work. I look at their rosters and I honestly don’t know what would really work for Atlanta.
Mark Bradley
June 28th, 2010
1:39 pm
You were, mike. Kudos to you indeed.
Mark Bradley
June 28th, 2010
1:40 pm
I’m not sure the Knicks have much of anything beyond David Lee, John, and he, as has been noted, is himself a free agent and probably wouldn’t fit here alongside Horfy and Josh. The Clippers always have players — Eric Gordon, maybe — but if they’re all that great why don’t the Clippers ever win?
John
June 28th, 2010
1:42 pm
MB…exactly…that’s what scares me about him going to those 2 teams. what would be our best return…draft picks? that is honestly horrifying…even if they are lottery picks. I think Dallas is the best fit, from what I’ve seen. Unless, and this is me dreaming, some miracle happened and we worked a deal with New Orleans and got Paul here….but again, just dreaming on that one. lol Excellent work as always Mark
SOUTH GA DAWG FAN
June 28th, 2010
1:43 pm
Crawford had so much success off the bench does anyone really won’t to take a chance at messing up his groove by putting him in the starting lineup ? I don’t . Start bibby bring crawford in after two or three minutes but don’t mess up his mojo.
Mark Bradley
June 28th, 2010
1:44 pm
You can’t just do a sign-and-trade involving draft picks, John. The salaries going between teams have to approximate one another. But that can be tricky to negotiate.
aaron
June 28th, 2010
1:45 pm
roddy beaubois would solve our point guard issue, or at the very least give teague some competition and let us get rid of bibby
James
June 28th, 2010
1:46 pm
@John
He comes off the bench now in Dallas now Jason Kidd is Dallas starting Point guard so he should be able to come off the bench in Atlanta.
John
June 28th, 2010
1:46 pm
Cuban LOVES beaubois…I don’t see him trading that kid
Mark Bradley
June 28th, 2010
1:46 pm
I’m not certain you want two second-year point guards, aaron. Pretty certain you don’t, actually.
John
June 28th, 2010
1:47 pm
@James…I know…and I didn’t mean that he “couldn’t”…I said he “wouldn’t”. In Dallas, he behind a hall of famer….in Atlanta, behind an unknown (Teague). I am pretty sure he would have issues with that one.
aaron
June 28th, 2010
1:47 pm
well if we give them joe johnson and josh smith- he may think of letting beaubois go- joe josh and marvin for beaubois haywood and butler
James
June 28th, 2010
1:48 pm
I think the best deal for Atlanta would be sign and trade Joe Johnson and throw in Marvin Williams to Memphis for Ronnie Brewer and Marc Gasol. The Hawks will have Ronnie Brewer to replace Joe and they will have a legit center in Marc Gasol.
aaron
June 28th, 2010
1:48 pm
@Mark
I dont think it would make that big of a difference if we keep jamal- hes a veteran leader who can play both guard positions
John
June 28th, 2010
1:51 pm
@James…doesn’t that put Horford at the 4 and Smith at the 3???? Smith CANNOT play the 3…lol He just can’t…not a good one on one defender and his skills are almost diminished playing that position. Can’t put him there.
Rm
June 28th, 2010
1:56 pm
Josh to play the small forward??? REALLY….the 3 needs to consitently hit the outside shot. We need Joe!
aaron
June 28th, 2010
1:56 pm
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Howard
June 28th, 2010
1:57 pm
I disagree. We still have such a young team. Lets see how Josh does with different coaching. he still has great potential.We can’t keep getting these over 30 players and expecting them to be anything but bench players Instead of what you suggest. I would ask for two first round picks. Let the Hawks have a down year next year. Then trade two or three first rounds to get into the lottery.
aaron
June 28th, 2010
1:57 pm
oops didnt mean to do that haha
uga_b
June 28th, 2010
1:57 pm
How about we trade Joe Johnson and the Thrashers for Dirk and Heywood? I will also throw in 2 concerts with horrible acoustics for the next ten years!
James
June 28th, 2010
1:58 pm
@John
You’re right about Josh playing the 3 but if he really wants to win he need to learn the position and work hard at trying to be good at. If not the hawks need to look into trying to trade him cause he’s not a natural 4 or 5 cause most of the nba teams 4 are much better skilled offensively than Josh Smith he’s just got defensively but the hawks need a 4 that’s good in both.
Dr. Warren
June 28th, 2010
1:59 pm
Let’s all accept that if Lebron and another major star–say Bosh–team up in Chicago then the upcoming championship(s) will almost certainly belong to Chicago, LA, or maybe Orlando. OKlahoma has a chance to move into that group by 2012. Then we should always preface all this talk about the Hawks with “what moves can they make to consistently get to 50 wins and the 2nd round.” And we should resign ourselves to enjoying the chess game that potentially leads to that best-case-scenario.