Which team is having the better season – UGA or Tech?
Thompkins battles Lawal. (AJC photo by Curtis Compton)
This will sound a little weird, but it’s a Bradley post so whaddaya expect? I’m asking a question, the nub of which is: Can a team with an 11-12 record really be having a better season than one that’s 17-8?
Wait, wait. Hear me out. The 11-12 team is Georgia; the 17-8 team is Tech. And to offer a real answer, don’t we have to consider more than just won-lost records? Don’t we have to consider …
Expectations: Georgia was picked to finish last in the six-team SEC East and is indeed in last place at 3-7; Tech was picked to finish fourth in the 12-team ACC and, at 5-6, stands eighth.
Polls: Georgia has been unranked all season; Tech was ranked 22nd in the Associated Press preseason poll and 20th in the coaches’ poll but dropped out of both Monday.
Personnel: Georgia starts a former walk-on (Ricky McPhee); Tech starts three McDonald’s All-Americans (Gani Lawal, Iman Shumpert, Derrick Favors).
Player development: Georgia guard Travis Leslie averaged 6.3 points a freshman but is averaging 14.5 in his first year under Fox and is projected by NBAdraft.net as the 23rd player on its 2011 mock; Tech forward Favors was rated the nation’s No. 1 recruit by Scout.com last season but is averaging 9.7 points in ACC play and has slipped from being the second player listed on NBAdraft.net’s 2010 mock to the seventh.
Personnel utilization: Georgia’s two best players, Leslie and forward Trey Thompkins, average 10.7 and 13. 2 shots per game, respectively; Tech’s two best players, Favors and Lawal, average 7.5 and 9.2 shots, respectively.
Depth: Georgia’s seventh man, center Chris Barnes, averages 2.8 points; Tech’s eighth man, guard Glen Rice Jr., averages 4.5 points.
Stability: Mark Fox is in his first season at Georgia; Paul Hewitt is in his 10th at Tech.
Head-to-head: Georgia beat Tech 73-66 in Athens on Jan. 5.
Signature wins: Georgia has beaten three teams (Tech, Tennessee and Vanderbilt) that were ranked when the game was played; Tech has beaten three (Duke, North Carolina and Clemson).
Bad losses: Georgia lost to Wofford at home, lost by 28 points at Missouri and was routed at Florida and Auburn; only Tech’s loss at Duke has come by more than 10 points.
Loading ...Road records: Georgia is 0-8; Tech is 3-6.
RPI: Georgia is 90th; Tech is 29th.
Strength of schedule: Georgia’s is rated the 11th-toughest nationally; Tech’s is 12th.
Probable final regular-season record: Assuming Georgia beats Florida in Athens and LSU in Baton Rouge, it should finish 14-15; assuming Tech wins its three remaining home games, it should finish 20-10.
Probable destination: Georgia will do well to make the NIT; Tech would have to mess up not to reach the NCAA.
Conclusion: Tech has better players and still figures to go further but hasn’t really done much yet; Georgia entered just hoping not to be embarrassed but has beaten four teams (Illinois is the fourth) that stand to make the NCAA field. And Georgia did beat Tech. All things considered, the Bulldogs have had, at least to date, the better season.
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217 comments Add your comment
mmgtfan
February 16th, 2010
12:44 am
First
Whopper Dawg
February 16th, 2010
12:50 am
I was skeptical at the time of Fox’s hire. Now, I would not trade him for Hewitt. In a couple of years, UGA will have Tech lapped.
Mark Bradley
February 16th, 2010
12:51 am
Kudos, mmgtfan. But this isn’t your first “first,” if I’m not mistaken.
luvthosedawgs68
February 16th, 2010
1:11 am
Listen, I understand that Tech will most likely make the NCAA Tournament, but understand how far the Dawgs have come this year. Especially since several games in the last 2 months have been close. A little more confidence in the last 2 minutes of each half, and this team can beat just about anyone. I wouldn’t be surprised to see us upset Kentucky at home either.
luvthosedawgs68
February 16th, 2010
1:13 am
I knew Fox was a good hire, Be a little patient and he(and the team) WILL turn fortunes around.
UGA_2001
February 16th, 2010
1:27 am
Georgia fans are excited about the future of the program under Fox, due to this season.
Tech fans want to fire Hewitt due to this season.
Pretty cut and dry.
Ree Roe
February 16th, 2010
1:37 am
In basketball, like in all things UGA > nerds
73-66
30-24
Techies claim to be good at math…they should kno what those numbers mean.
-REEcently Roe!!!
IlliniDawg
February 16th, 2010
1:41 am
As a Dawgs fan, I will still have to admit that Tech is definitely the better team, all the way around. We aren’t in their league – yet. Depending on who stays on each team, we still may not catch up next year.
But I like the angle here, Mark, because the key criterion you seem to be promoting is “to what degree has each team met or exceeded expectations?” And at least by that sole criterion, it ain’t even close – Georgia has far surpassed what anybody expected, while Tech has been underwhelming while good.
Legend of Len Barker
February 16th, 2010
1:43 am
Something tells me that Mark Fox would do better with Paul Hewitt’s lineup than Hewitt would do with Fox’s.
Besides, Tech is underachieving in a mediocre ACC. The SEC is pretty similar in terms of overall ability and Georgia is overachieving. They’re in last in the standings, but they’re so far ahead of where they should be.
I saw UGA’s opener with New Orleans. I remember telling someone that I didn’t think Georgia would win more than eight or so games and perhaps only one in the conference. Tech has not improved during the year; Georgia has.
Granted, he had a lot – and I mean a lot – further to go, I would say that Jeremy Price has improved more than Derick Favors. To be so touted, Favors has looked lost at times on the floor.
Barry
February 16th, 2010
2:10 am
Although they brag about how much a Tech diploma is worth, it can be said with certainty that attending GTU has cost Derrick Favors. Thus, a new slogan is born: Go to Georgia Tech! It’s worth millions!
Conyers Hawk
February 16th, 2010
4:17 am
Enter your comments here
Conyers Yellow Jacket
February 16th, 2010
4:26 am
Mark: I agree UGA has had the better season. Your analysis is a good one.
The only statement that I disagree with is ” GT will have to really mess up not to go to the NCAA”
They are in eighth place in the ACC which will probably get only six teams in the NCAA
GT is not exactly on a roll to win its remaining three home games. My opinion is
they will be extremely lucky to win 20 games including whatever they might win in the ACC Tournament. I hate to be so pessimistic but I believe that, right now, there
are six teams better than GT in the ACC.
Big time?? Not
February 16th, 2010
4:35 am
73 -66 tech hasn’t beat the Dogs in Athens since I was in school (a long, long, time ago)
And we’ve never run ads that say four tickets, four hot dogs, four cokes for basketball or football (or tidlywinks for that matter)
Biff Pocoroba
February 16th, 2010
5:23 am
Mark, you should ask Hewitt this question so you can get a 30 minute lecture about how great Dayton is. And then he will tell you that Indiana (Pa), the team that took Tech to overtime, is one of the best D2 schools in the country. I don’t think that you could get him to take any responsibility for this mess.
louisville slugger
February 16th, 2010
6:39 am
MB, I think you know my answer based on the last blog; it pains me, but UGA is having the better season based on expectations and getting the most out of their talent.
Barry
February 16th, 2010
6:41 am
Enter your comments here
Barry
February 16th, 2010
6:45 am
I’m a huge Dog fan, but your premise is not fair. As you said recently in a post about the Hawks, when your team gets better, the expectations are higher, and every little flaw gets magnified. Its relatitively easier for the Dogs to exceed expectations. Anything good from them is a pleasant surprise, and anything good from Tech is just expected because of their talent. However I do agree Legend of Len Barker that Fox would fare better if he and Hewett switched teams to coach.
F-105 Thunderchief
February 16th, 2010
6:54 am
Tech is continuing to under achieve. UGA has some nice upsets and is hanging around .500, which is pretty good, considering the new coach and the limited roster Felton left.
And, off topic, but OH FLIPPIN’ NO! – Jair Jurrjens’ shoulder is hurting. That could be a really bad thing.
Ozzy
February 16th, 2010
6:56 am
Obviously, Tech’s having a better season because of their talent, but just as obviously, Georgia has a better coach.
RGP
February 16th, 2010
6:58 am
Enter your comments here
Douglas
February 16th, 2010
6:59 am
If Fox remains and UGA and recruits better…UGA will be a powerhouse but he has got to find a way to keep Ga. recruits at home.
Cracker Jacket
February 16th, 2010
6:59 am
The big money contract with Hewitt is the only reason Hewitt is still coaching Tech! He will be gone soon! Georgia has the kind of coach Tech needs!
F-105 Thunderchief
February 16th, 2010
6:59 am
Put it this way, if Coach K or Roy Williams has Tech’s roster, they don’t lose four games all year and take the national title.
RGP
February 16th, 2010
7:00 am
Ree Roe: Here are some numbers for you: GT 1370 UGA 1250; GT 7 UGA 21.
Andrew
February 16th, 2010
7:08 am
25TH !
don medeiros
February 16th, 2010
7:11 am
Mark
Wouldn’t it be more accurate to say Georgia has exceeded expectations more than Tech has – instead of saying UGA has had the “better” season?
Angus
February 16th, 2010
7:12 am
Hold on, time-out.
Last year UGA was 12-19, Tech was 11-18.
This year UGA is 11-12, Tech is 17-8.
Why is there a question here?
If you all (Bradley and your media buddies) picked wrong, don’t blame it on Tech. From 2-14 in the ACC to the sweet 16 in one year, really? That would be more along the lines of miraculous instead of expected.
But then again, after your recent PHewitt columns, I think you’ve been wrong about him/Tech all along.
Simon Bar Sinister
February 16th, 2010
7:16 am
Georgia is having a much better year. You only need to talk to a few fans of each school to see it. Georgia fans are getting interested in basketball again, reveling in each win, while we Tech fans are suffering through the losses and are just relieved by the wins (except the Duke and UNC-CH ones).
Tech is failing (again) to live up to its potential; Georgia is exceeding its potentional.
In spite of losing the head-to-head, Tech fans had a much better year than Georgia fans in football: all season: except for the three losses, we were having a great time. We knew our program was on the way up, while Georgia fans were calling for coaching changes.
In basketball the opposite is true.
THEFOX
February 16th, 2010
7:20 am
Tech basketball is headed down, while Ga basketball is headed up!! Wait till Fox gets his own players!! Techies it will be just like football we will own the state!!!!
Dawgman
February 16th, 2010
7:26 am
Hewitt is such a let down after the class act Cremins.
Ace
February 16th, 2010
7:31 am
Tech needs a new coach. Dumb question, no real basketball fan even thinks about UGA. Girls basketball maybe.
option smoption
February 16th, 2010
7:38 am
Coaching is everything. If these two coaches switch teams tech is in the top 10 and UGA is O-fer. Damn, I really hope Coach Fox gets some recruits and stays where he is for at least a few years. I know how you tech fans feel. I screamed for 2 years for CMR to fire Willie Martinez before he did.
Navigator
February 16th, 2010
7:42 am
UGA, because the sky is the limit with their new coach, where Tech has to deal with low expectations from a coach that can’t win anything with NBA talent.
Reality
February 16th, 2010
7:44 am
GT Basketball=UGA Football GT Football=UGA Basketball
GT going down in basketball and up in football
UGA going up in basketball and down in football
Boise Dawg
February 16th, 2010
7:56 am
I think the better question to ask is… which fan base should be more optimistic about the future. Georgia has won a few games they had no business winning, but all in all this has not been a very good season. Just because expectations were so low, I don’t think anyone can say they are having a better season than Tech.
We will see if Fox can bring in more depth and then what he can do with a full roster of scholarship athletes. Again, I am optimistic of the future, but am also reminded that Felton pulled off some big upsets in his first couple of seasons with a thin roster…. the biggest problem for Felton though he kept kicking half his roster off the team…
dap01
February 16th, 2010
7:59 am
The coaching staff at Tech as done a terrible job.
Will
February 16th, 2010
8:00 am
This is a no brainer and an example of the difference in recruiting (or in Fox’s case, inheriting) good players and teaching them to be better players versus recruiting great high school players and not being able to (or assuming it is not necessary because of their high school skills) teach them to become great college players.
Travis Leslie and Jeremy Price can be no better examples of this. Two good high school players who were two “okay” college players last year who have turned into very good college basketball players this year.
I think including McPhee in this dicussion is wrong. He is a very good three point shooter who is woefully inedpt in handling the ball and is pretty much the same player he was last year. Because of his lack of size and quickness, he has a hard time shaking the defense in order to set up from threes.
Here is the problem with UGA and Mark Fox – if Fox continues to move UGA forward next year, then soon bigger basketball programs that need a coach will come calling. If you think Mark Fox is settled in at UGA for the forseeable future, you are wrong. Because of the culture and nature of basketball at UGA, the school remains only a stepping stone for coaches to big time college basketball. Remember, even Tubby Smith could not generate enough excitement at UGA to consistently sell out the small gym.
Favors picked the wrong school
February 16th, 2010
8:05 am
Of Tech’s three “signature” wins as listed above, only Duke stands to remain a signature win. Both UNC and ClemPson have fallen off the map. Of Georgia’s, it’s funny that Tech is the one falling off the map.
bad brad
February 16th, 2010
8:13 am
Disagree with Will, I remember sellouts and rowdy crowds when Tubby Smith was at UGA, but he couldn’t resist (and who could?) the chance at Kentucky. Hindsight says he probably should’ve stayed.
Fox might stay if UGA makes a commitiment to basketball. Upgrades to the cow palace are in process. Seems to remember that N. Carolina played in a 6k seat facility forever.
GW
February 16th, 2010
8:16 am
I’ve watched Georgia live 3 times and on TV the rest. I have not, and will not watch Tech. Surely Tech is not as slow or unathletic as Georgia except for Thompkins and Leslie.
Kay
February 16th, 2010
8:20 am
Just be fair!
Hewitt has become a lousy coach.
Coaching basketball is not high on his list.
He doesn’t have to worry about coaching, he is like a government worker: he will get paid no matter what. Why should he be concerned?
Why should he produce? There is no incentive for him!
VinceVanGo
February 16th, 2010
8:25 am
A new slant here. I love what Fox has done with the “Fox Trot” and the team and I hope he stays a long time. But don’t forget who hired him. Damon Evans.. I also like Mark Richt and wish him and the football team great success in the future. But if he doesn’t and a change is made we should have total confidence that Damon Evans will hire UGA another quality coach. Major Univeristy sports programs need a great A.D. at the helm of the ship, and Georgia has one. Go Damon and UGA!
Rob
February 16th, 2010
8:27 am
Tech isn’t going to the big dance
Gen Neyland
February 16th, 2010
8:29 am
This isn’t football where we can find a multitude of reasons why the team of our choice, or the conference of choice, is or isn’t living up to expectations. Basketball is a honestly brutal or pleasant reality. That being said, UGA is by far exceding expectations. Not because of a win here or there at home, nor playing a team hard on the road. That does factor in, but with the play of the Dawgs this season over last, even though GT has found itself ranked this season, I give the nod to UGA over GT. Coaching change at Georgia helped a great deal. Shoot, Fox even got Evans to pony up the bucks slap for a new coat of paint on the Steg. The lipstick on a pig thing…Just kidding, Dawgs.
Calipari, Stallings and Fox are my top 3 for SEC Coach of the Year. Stallings and Calipari are in the lead pack but come seasons end, we’ll know. Calipari is tainted goods but wins. He reminds me of a coach I had in high school football that once told me in a non-serious, joking manner, that cheating sure beat losing…I wondered if he knew Junior Johnson.
Paul H
February 16th, 2010
8:34 am
JUST LIKE FOOTBALL (clap clap clap clap clap)
JUST LIKE FOOTBALL (clap clap clap clap clap)
JUST LIKE FOOTBALL (clap clap clap clap clap)
Butts Wagner
February 16th, 2010
8:34 am
Tech fans want to fire Hewitt due to this season.
For many, it’s been a lot more than just this season.
SOUTH GA DAWG FAN
February 16th, 2010
8:43 am
If tech gets hot and makes it to say the elite eight will people get off Hewitts back or has it gone to far for him to regain support unless he can win it all.
I was really expecting a final four run out of tech this year and it could still happen but it doesn’t look good .
GO DAWGS !!!!!!!!!!
DMR
February 16th, 2010
8:45 am
This is the wrong question to ask. Tech has had the “better season”. Better record, higher RPI, and a strength of schedule one spot below Georgia’s. Tech has three McDonald’s All Americans and Georgia is struggling with their personnel. Paul Hewitt is on the way to finishing 10 seasons at Tech. Fox is just getting started in Athens. Each team seems to be meeting predicted expectations. The difference is that Georgia in many cases has exceeded expectations. Four quality wins, wins over three ranked opponents, and building respect in the league.
Georgia is the team that you do not want to face, especially if you are on the bubble. They can play with anyone at anytime…just not consistently. Tech is the same way, but you expect consistency from their group.
Georgia has not had the better season on paper. However, Georgia and Its fans seem to have more to look forward to in the near future than does Tech. Just an opinion.
SOUTH GA DAWG FAN
February 16th, 2010
8:46 am
junior johnson in a basketball blog great ref. Gen ! and to go a little further is it cheating if you don’t get caught ? kinda like the tree falling on a gator in the woods does anybody really care?
Tailback U
February 16th, 2010
8:51 am
Paul Hewitt needs to set up a Paul Hewitt fan club for Georgia fans
on Facebook. Might as well find a way to feel some love from some
fan base.
HA
February 16th, 2010
8:55 am
You are a jerkoff MB. UGAY IS STILL AWFUL AT EVERYTHING
Asheville Dawg
February 16th, 2010
9:03 am
FIRE PAUL HEWITT! He peaked in 2004, and seems to be very complacent. Way to much talent to be squeaking into the big dance.
Fox seems to be doing more with less. Hope he hangs in Athens and develops the Dawgs into something special.
Lee Goza
February 16th, 2010
9:06 am
Mark,
If I’m not mistaken, Tech lost their last game by 11 points. This team is the very definition of under-achievement. Hewitt has to go.
Frankly Dawged
February 16th, 2010
9:08 am
Good article. I do have to raise a math question, however. The Dogs are now 11-12 with 6 games to play. How can they finish 13-14, as you project?
PMC
February 16th, 2010
9:12 am
Georgia is overachieving based on the talent they have available.
Tech is VASTLY underachieving based on the talent they have available.
Tech is probably going to the NCAA tournament. Georgia is probably not.
I don’t really care about who is having the better season, but I’m far more positive about the direction of Georgia.
Rabun Dawg
February 16th, 2010
9:14 am
From what I have observed, Fox is getting more out of less, and Hewitt is getting less out of more! I understood that Favors was to be a “one and done”, but appears to me he needs a lot more work before he takes the next step. Have only seen both teams on TV, and while Tech appears to be very talented, I have never seen a Team implode in the latter stages as they do. They appear to be just like the UGA football team, under achieving at its finest. And this looked to be a year when the ACC was there for the taking,with no clear favorite as UNC was last year. And yes, Uga lets a lot of late leads get away also, but at times they appear to be as good as any one they play. Just do not have the best talent or depth, but Tompkins and Leslie could play for anyone. Imagine Duke with those two coming off the bench for Zoubek and Thomas! I just hope that Fox can get some of the better talent in Georgia to Athens, then hope he stays ! JMHO
Bradley is a jackass
February 16th, 2010
9:15 am
The bottom feeder of the SEC is having a better season than a team about to receive an at-large bid. UGA has inferior coaching and personnel to almost every team in the east. You have Donovan with 2 titles, Calipari with his great success at multiple schools, not to mention the fact he’s the best recruiter out there. And Pearl who hasn’t missed a big dance at UT. UGA will more than likely remain a bottom feeder of the east.
RAMBLE ON!!!
February 16th, 2010
9:16 am
If you like turnovers, and missed f/t’s, I’d say GT is having a better year.
RAMBLE ON!!!
February 16th, 2010
9:17 am
I’ll take Felton right about now.
Old Dawg
February 16th, 2010
9:17 am
It’s difficult to argue the fact that Georgia has produced amazing results this season, especially considering the talent, loss of players in recent years and strength of schedule. Fox is doing an amazing job.
Ferndolin
February 16th, 2010
9:18 am
Coach Fox is on the way to putting UGA B-ball back on the map. A good recruiting year this year and if Leslie and Tompkins don’t bolt for the NBA, I predict UGA competes for the SEC East championship in Fox’s second year.
collegeballfan
February 16th, 2010
9:24 am
The question is, who has exceeded expectations? The answer is Georgia.
Who has the better X and O coach? I believe Georgia. Who has the better recruiter? I believe Tech. But if the lousy excuse for fans of UGA will get off their collective butts and support Fox, I believe he can build something special at Georgia.
Presently UGA basketball does not matter to anyone but the UGA athletic administration and staff. If the UGA grads will get out and support the team, then UGA basketball will matter on the national scene, and they will sign those top 100 recruits needed to build a program. Georgia fans need to realize that the best point guard in the country is not going to sign with a college and play in front of a high school crowd. Georgia has the coach to be successful, now they need the fans
in the stands.
Reality
February 16th, 2010
9:31 am
Bradley – Are you serious? The best test to answer your question is this…. “Which team would you rather be a fan of?” If anyone can impartially state UGA, then I would suggest for them to seek mental health!
Anyone would rather have their team make the NCAA tourney than not. Are you kidding me?
collegeballfan
February 16th, 2010
9:33 am
I just read Carroll Rogers’ story on Fox’s ties to Roy Williams. You UGA fans who have not read that need to do so.
Ivan Vasilii Vladivostok, aka "Pasha dat a$$"
February 16th, 2010
9:33 am
You tech nerds won’t be saying this crap if Hewitt does well in the tournament; that’s the beauty of a playoff, specifically the college basketball playoff.
Likewise, UGA will be in top gear if they do well in the NIT and pick up 2 good recuits next year.
Rabun Dawg
February 16th, 2010
9:35 am
CBF, you are correct about the support. I ordered tickets to Sat. game with Ala. through UGA ticket office and only available were up in upper deck. I took them, but when I see games on tv, all manner of good seats down low are vacant. I guess some buy season tickets, but do not show up to support the team. If Fox does produce and gets no fan support, you can bet he will bolt if someone else comes around.
E.Lo
February 16th, 2010
9:36 am
Hey ” Bradley is a jackass” that bottom feeder of the SEC beat that team even if they do recieve a at large bid. Heee hee heee heee!!!!!!!!!
Vermont Yellow Jacket
February 16th, 2010
9:40 am
As much as it pains me to agree with a Dawg, I have to wonder if Asheville Dawg is correct when he says that PH is complacent. With that monster golden parachute he has, how can life be bad? If I were in his shoes, I would find it quite easy to avoid reading the papers and stay away from the GT-related blogs. Ahhh, blissful ignorance….. Except in front of the fans at AMC.
Well, Mark, what’s your take on PH’s state of mind. Is he on cruise control?
GT Fan
February 16th, 2010
9:42 am
I voted against GT for one reason,Paul Hewitt! GT may have the best players but anyone with Basketball smarts can see Fox is a much better Coach. I’ve been a GT fan since 1955 and PH is a joke. Please RADS for the fans, Tech, State and everyone that cares… pay the money and FIRE HEWITT.
Tron Carter
February 16th, 2010
9:43 am
Obviously UGA is having a better season in basketball and football (SCOREBOARD).
However, Tech continues to dominate us in free food giveaways to attend games, students being robbed on the way to class, and terrorist students.
Brent
February 16th, 2010
9:46 am
Mark, you burst onto the scene some 25 years ago with not one but two columns stating that UGA had a better team than the Mark Price-John Sally led Yellow Jackets. You were of course dead wrong (some things never change). You are surprisingly on the money this time. GT has taken under-achieving to a new level.
Ed
February 16th, 2010
9:46 am
Tech better win tonight or they are done. Scary to have to beat unc who could turn it on any moment like uconn did last night. Unc has played better against common opponents the past few games.
robodawg
February 16th, 2010
9:47 am
Tech is going to the big dance; short of an incredible end of the year run, we’re not. We want to get to the point where reaching the sweet 16 is realistic just about every year (a la the Tubby years). But as this season winds down, Georgia fans have more to feel positive about. If Fox can get his players, the excitement around our program will explode.
Tech Buzzer
February 16th, 2010
9:50 am
Georgia–another mediocre, NIT year, but because they have an upset over a good team, it’s labeled a “great year!”
Nothing ever changes in athens.
Tale of Woe
February 16th, 2010
9:50 am
Hewitt’s coaching strategy is to try to run (which the team doesn’t do that often) and wear down the other team with all these substitutions. What happens is that no player feels comfortable and the team struggles. Hewitt is a bad coach who can recruit. I want a decent recruiter and a good coach – that is what UGA has. Tech is going to have to look elsewhere if they ever want to return to the final four.
aztec
February 16th, 2010
9:52 am
are you kidding me with this question, as a tech fan the answer is cut and dry, tech has the best athletes but UGA by far has the the best coach, so i give the edge to UGA
Tron Carter
February 16th, 2010
9:53 am
Tech Buzzer,
8 of 9
30-24
60-39-5
73-66
I agree
Some things never change
Larry
February 16th, 2010
9:53 am
Fox is getting the most from the least while Hewitt is getting the least from the most.
A coach who gets the most from the most competes for league and national championships.
Bill
February 16th, 2010
9:55 am
Tron…no free food, son. Terrorist student..I bet u have some you don’t know about….etc or professor shot two and then week later kills self…players in jail monthly…students raped… girl student killed in her apts. Hit and run….free grades to players…everyday is fun right?
Tron its every where wake up!
Tron Carter
February 16th, 2010
9:59 am
I am unaware of any UGA students directly affiliated with Al Qaida.
Can’t say the same for Tech.
and cheating in athletics?…http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2227377
SimpleDawg
February 16th, 2010
10:01 am
Fox has done more with less, although he does have some good size in the front court. Poor guard play has killed them…..turnovers, turnovers, turnovers.
Hewitt has done less with more. He has a wealth of talent on a team that can easily go 8 deep and maintain quality play. Either Hewitt is the Willie Martinez of CBB, or he has real chemistry problems on the team…..and I’m talking about class and labs.
Fox and Georgia will eventually surpass GIT in every way in basketball…..just like in football.
Both schools have great baseball programs.
Good ol’ fashion hate……get it!
Texas Wreck
February 16th, 2010
10:06 am
Easy choice- they are both second rate teams with NIT on their minds.
Bill
February 16th, 2010
10:06 am
I said, I bet you have some..don’t expect u to know them. GT didn’t know one either …it happens everywhere, they want to kill you as much as me.
drew
February 16th, 2010
10:14 am
The answer to the question is Tech. They’re on the bubble of the NCAA’s, and UGA is fighting for NIT eligibility, hence, Tech’s having a better season. Having said that, it’s also obvious that the UGA fans are much happier with their season than are Tech fans, for all the reasons stated above, most notably, the coaching.
But when MB states that “Tech would have to mess up not to reach the NCAA”, he’s a little off. While Tech’s defense will keep them in games, their lack of offense, especially at the point, may just make them NIT bound. I love watching them play D, but it hurts to watch them in a half court offense (dribble…dribble…Shumpert behind the back dribble…dribble…turnover).
As someone else said, Tech is 8th in a weak ACC that won’t send more then 6 teams (if that) this year. I see them winning two more regular season games (UNC & BC), and losing three (Va. Tech, Clemson, Maryland), which would put them at 7-9 in the ACC and 19-11 overall. And I don’t think this will get them to the big dance. Yeah, if the season ended today, they might get in on RPI alone, but a more deserving team would be getting the shaft. And a small part of me wants them to go ahead and lose out just to expedite a coaching change.
eddy
February 16th, 2010
10:20 am
Not even close, Tech has had the better season, even though they lost to Uga and are currently not ranked for the first time all season. Uga doesn’t even have a winning record! They do however seem like they have found a good coach that will make UGA relevant again in bball. Even though Tech hasn’t met expectations this season, they play in a much tougher conference than uga and still have quality wins, higher, RPI, etc. I mean, if tech was in the SEC they would be in the top ten and everyone would be talking about what a great season they are having. But even being a Tech fan, we have greatly underachieved so far this season with the talent we have on our roster. And I would like to give credit to Mark Fox, he has done a better job than Hewitt with much less.
Gen Neyland
February 16th, 2010
10:21 am
Tech Buzzer : Look at it like an EKG tape. GT is flat lining after more recent successful seasons and UGA has been jolted back to life with an injection of Fox. We’ll see if UGA can build on it. Speaking of EKG’s, time for me to get in a run…
papadawg
February 16th, 2010
10:22 am
Basketball, who cares
Gags
February 16th, 2010
10:23 am
http://twitter.com/CoachPHewitt
Dostoyevskiy
February 16th, 2010
10:29 am
Prettiest waitress at IHOP?
doyle, winder
February 16th, 2010
10:34 am
Whopper Dawg–Yeah and Amen!
jeff c.
February 16th, 2010
10:39 am
This is a pretty pointless topic…but here are my thoughts anyways. We won’t know what kind of hire Fox was until a few years. So far they have done what they always do…beat Tech at home and pull a few upsets and still finish last, or near last. At Tech, we loved Hewitt when he was hired. He took underacheiving Cremins players to the NCAA’s. We thought he was the next John Wooden. 10 years later….Look at him now!
dawgingatorville
February 16th, 2010
10:43 am
“Presently UGA basketball does not matter to anyone but the UGA athletic administration and staff.”
Not true, not true, not true. Georgia fans are excited by the development of the basketball program and paying attention. I’m sure the attendance records would show that and support of the program has been growing all season. Look at all the coverage the program is getting, people are reading it. This is the first year with our amazing coach and it takes a little time for the word to get out. I’m sick and tired of hearing people bash Georgia fans for lack of basketball support. This is the first season we’ve had any basketball worth watching in a long time and the culture is changing, and actually, much more quickly that I ever expected it could.
AndyC
February 16th, 2010
10:55 am
I think you got this one right Mark. Considering the expectations going into the season, UGA has done very well. Assuming that Mark Fox can be competitive in recruiting, I think UGA has a bright future. I can see Fox making the tournament within a couple of years.
At least Tech IS a basketball school
February 16th, 2010
11:01 am
We ARE a basketball school. Right?? We are aren’t we??? When we arrive in the Tourney, it will substantiate that …….right???We will be in that tourney …….right??
ARGHHGGHAHA, AAAAAAAAHAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA
GT? G un T oters
matt r
February 16th, 2010
11:05 am
Bracketology! http://bracketology101.blogspot.com
Dave In Tampa
February 16th, 2010
11:14 am
This Dawg feels for Tech. I know surprise, but we were in the same catagory the past 2 years with our CWM. Very frustrating. GT has a ton of talent that any coach would love to have. CPH is gone after this year, no doubt. You’ll get a good coach next year.
I have to say that I was unaware of CMF before he came to UGA. Wow, this guy has a team playing very well that lacks so much depth. It will be interested if 1) he sticks around and 2) what players he can recruit. Both teams will be better next year
Shane
February 16th, 2010
11:29 am
Easy answer
UGA
justdhoo
February 16th, 2010
11:37 am
So Mark Bradley writes the article and says to himself, “What conclusion will cause the most controversy?” It is IMPOSSIBLE for a sub-500, lucky if they get into the NIT team to be having a better season than a team well above 500 who will almost definitely make the NCAA tournament. Who’s having a more disappointing season? Georgia Tech, absolutely. But that’s because expectations are so high and people actually care about Georgia Tech basketball. Congrats to UGA for having a good season under first year coach Mark Fox. The future looks good for them, they’ve had an encouraging season. But NOT a better season that GT.
Also, I believe this exact same article was written recently about UGA v. GT football, when GT was under a first year coach who was showing promise. Great originality Bradley.
Jacket Dad
February 16th, 2010
11:43 am
I’m a huge GT fan, but have to say that UGA has had the better season so far. UGA has overachieved, is better coached and plays as a team. GT is a talent-ladened group (notice I didn’t say team)that has mostly under-achieved. I blame much of that on Hewitt.
Chris
February 16th, 2010
11:43 am
Mark I could not agree more. Georgia basketball has pretty much been irrelevant. Expectations were so low that I did not plan on watching one Georgia basketball game this season. However, what Fox has done with very little talent is amazing. What you didn’t mention is that Georgia took Kentucky to the wire IN LEXINGTON and even Calapari could not believe how tough Georgia was on that night.
I just hope Fox is in Athens long enough for basketball to be respectable again. If he keeps this up, the bigger basketball jobs will come calling and just like Tubby, he’ll be gone.
Hoops Dawg
February 16th, 2010
11:58 am
Last year at this time, the big story was “which bad team would Mr. Favors favor–Tech or the Dawgs?” He made the sensible choice, not knowing who the coach was going to be in Athens. Now a thought question: where do you think UGA would be with Favors together with Leslie and Thompkins in Mark Fox’s triangle offense? My estimate: they would be in second place in the SEC East pointing toward an NCAA bid. It is not that I think Favors is superman (his play so far has shown that to be true) It is just that he would be a very nice piece for the system that is setting up in Athens.
But enough about silly thought questions (which would make at least as interesting a blog topic as the subject of this one). I am not fond of so-called “one and done” players–even if having two guys like Favors and John Wall, along with this coach and the existing roster, would transform Uga into a top five team. I’d be happy with recruiting another power forward and sweet shooting guard or swingman for next year (remember that we have a pretty good transfer guard riding the pines this season) and let’s see what transpires. The nice thing about basketball is that if you can get the right personnel, it takes only a year or two to become highly competitive.
Atlanta Jacket
February 16th, 2010
11:58 am
Uga has hope and clearly Fox has them headed in the right direction. With CPH this year is a temporary blip above mediocrity. Sad to say his teams haven’t improved much since the anomaly that was 2004.
Tom
February 16th, 2010
12:00 pm
No question in my mind…..Georgia hands down. They aere overachieving and have every reason to be excited about their future. Tech is has all the enough talent to field two teams but can’t fight their way out of a wet paper bag! I am Tech alumnus and I am sick and tired of Hewitt’s late season disasters. Another year of NIT level production…
BuzztheKiller
February 16th, 2010
12:12 pm
Tech basketball is under-achieving with superior talent, kind of like UGA football. UGA basketball is over-achieving with inferior talent, kind of like Tech football. Difference is coaching- Mark Fox=Paul Johnson. Paul Hewitt= Mark Richt. Has anyone noticed the symmetry? Paul=Mark.
Mark Bradley
February 16th, 2010
12:14 pm
Ever noticed that Georgia has two coaches named Mark, while Tech has two named Paul?
PMC
February 16th, 2010
12:19 pm
Put those two toegther mark and you get Zach Morris.
GoJackets
February 16th, 2010
12:20 pm
Tech has been the more disappointing team, but has still had a better season. If you go by expectations alone then Miss St had a better football season then Florida. I give UGA credit for being more competitive then expected but they have still been pretty awful this year. Mark Fox must be loving life. He can have a losing record and be in last place and everyone is praising his amazing coaching ability.
Mark Bradley
February 16th, 2010
12:22 pm
I’d agree that it’s almost a no-lose situation for Mark Fox. Coaches love it when there are no expectations. But it won’t always be thus.
BuzztheKiller
February 16th, 2010
12:28 pm
Wow- scary MB- we had the exact same thought within two minutes! I have never noticed that for some reason until I was writing Mark=Paul.
Jackets Keep Rollin'
February 16th, 2010
12:37 pm
Wow, a losing season for UGA qualifies as a great season. That’s all you have to know about where the programs are in relation to eachother. We have had the better season. And Mark Fox should be judged after 2 or 3 seasons. Until be shows he can win a few more conference games, he is basically an unknown. Folks, he’s coaching a last place team.
long time MB blog reader
February 16th, 2010
12:38 pm
Bradley- Good article, but the only stat that really matters is who won head to head. If UGA didnt win that this wouldn’t even be comparable. Also what are your thoughts for the future of both these programs? These blogs would be a lot better if MB would give some more feedback to the bloggers
Mark Bradley
February 16th, 2010
12:40 pm
I don’t give feedback? And you’re a “long time MB blog reader”? Wow. I could have sworn half the comments on here are mine.
wiley
February 16th, 2010
12:44 pm
In terms of overall health of the program…id still give the nod to tech. Even though we cant dominate a down ACC. We will always attract top flight talent, and have a proven track record of sending talent to the NBA. With this being said…UGA has shown a great deal of promise. But they are 3-7 in one of the worst basketball conferences…along with being 0-8 on the road. Tech’s regular season has been disappointing…but as long as tech makes it to the dance…they are having a better year than UGA.
Johnny Weissmuller
February 16th, 2010
12:44 pm
UGA Basketball = Duke Football
Larry
February 16th, 2010
12:46 pm
“long time MB blog reader,”
“More feedback”? Hard to believe your user name! MB is the most interactive writer at the AJC even though he’s clearly wrong in thinking Bobby Cox is a great manager.
Mark Bradley
February 16th, 2010
12:47 pm
There’s something else I probably should have mentioned. Neither team is filling its gym on a consistent basis.
Mark Bradley
February 16th, 2010
12:48 pm
See? I give so much feedback people here know who I’m going to defend before I even do it.
long time MB blog reader
February 16th, 2010
12:49 pm
there are over 100 comments and two of your three responses pertain to the guy who said first and the irony of the UGA/GT coach names. I wouldn’t call this useful feedback, and I definitely think saying half these comments are yours is quite a stretch
long time MB blog reader
February 16th, 2010
12:50 pm
and anyone can tell who you are going to defend based on the article. Not trying to be a hater, I do love your blogs
DawginLex
February 16th, 2010
12:53 pm
I like our coach. Tech’s coach has underachieved in 2010 but the year is not over.
Calipari has done wonders in Lexington but I have to give props to Bruce Pearl for how he handled a player created mess with his team leader shooting the toes off of the entire program.
I like where Fox has UGA’s program but he has to recruit. As Calipari has proven, 3 freshmen can turn a NIT team into a FF caliber team.
Mark Bradley
February 16th, 2010
12:54 pm
This one’s an exception, I’ll concede. I slept in today.
Lesh Philling
February 16th, 2010
1:02 pm
Just in case anyone’s still reading this far down the line:
I don’t know why anyone would seriously follow basketball at either the college or pro level at this point. Any potentially good college player inevitably jumps to the NBA before they’re ready, thus resulting in an inferor product at both levels. The NBA wants us to pay big bucks to watch players that should still be in college. Colleges want us to make big donations to watch neophyte players that should be spending more time learning the game and developing team chemistry. Watch out, college football fans because this scenario is heading our way, too.
Dawg Centralo
February 16th, 2010
1:08 pm
The Dawgs should be a lot better next year—they are a young team and Fox is bringing in some top recruits!
Ralph
February 16th, 2010
1:16 pm
Ga doing more with less talent,but GT still better for now!
The difference with Basketball
February 16th, 2010
1:19 pm
…………and football is that the barrier to entry as being an elite team in basketball is far different than it is in football. Basketball requires a good coach and capital committments in the tens of millions. Football requires good coaching and financial committements in the hundreds of millions. Just like everything is in college athletics…..the folks that can stroke the biggest checks (or are willing to) usually succeed the most. It’s a sad state of affairs, but it’s the truth. Tech and Georgia should both be FAR better basketball programs than have have historically. There is really good basketball talent in this state…….maybe not to the level of the football talent……..but enough that Tech & UGA should be able to fair far better than they have. When Tech AND UGA fans demand excellence…….they’ll get excellence.
Georgia can keep Fox………..if they pay him and make a committment to winning.
Tech get rid of Hewitt and get a Super Star coach……if they pay him and make a committment to winning.
hammerhead
February 16th, 2010
1:25 pm
Thank God – a blog without a post from BuLLdawg…. Interesting topic, Mark, but regardless of where you start it’s how you finish and it’s all about Wins and Losses. Therefore, Tech has had the better season. However, I am THRILLED with Mark Fox and fully expect great things from him and the Georgia basketball team in the future. Oh, and the article by Carroll Rogers on Fox is a good read… hh
Harry
February 16th, 2010
1:33 pm
tech fans, paul hewitt isnt THAT bad. He can bring in the talent by the boat load, and it wasnt TOO long ago we were at THE game. even when gani and d fav leave this year, we still got iman, udofia, rice, miller, and that other dude. Plus Sheehan is leaving so we definately going back to the dance
JD
February 16th, 2010
1:35 pm
DaWWWgs .. any you know it.
P. Bull Terrier
February 16th, 2010
1:43 pm
Basketball is just the opposite of football this season. In basketball Tech has the better team, but Georgia is having the better season, given what they have to work with. Georgia’s season looks like it could be the turning point for the program. Georgia isn’t a very good team, but the players work hard and it looks like Fox is getting everything possible from the players he has. A few more strong recruits and Georgia could become a factor in the seasons to come. Tech’s season can only be considered a disappointment at this point. Unless they come alive in the ACC & NCAA Tournament, this season could be a turning point in the wrong direction. As a result, the advantage goes to UGA.
Being honest, I have to give the advantage in football this season to Tech, even though UGA won the head-to-head match-up. Like the Tech basketball team, the UGA football team had higher expectations that it didn’t meet. On the other hand, Tech’s football team accomplished most of it’s goals for the season. Their goals may not have been as challenging as UGA’s goals, but for the most part, they got it done. The UGA basketball team’s goals may not have been as exciting as Tech’s, but even if the Dawgs don’t win another game, they have exceeded expectations.
On the plus side, UGA can take it’s disappointing football team and beat Tech’s highly successful football team, and UGA can take it’s collection of misfits and walk-ons that they call a basketball team and beat Tech’s highly favored basketball team full of of All-Americans and top recruits.
.
February 16th, 2010
1:44 pm
UGA > Ga Tech (In everything) hahahahahah
jarvis
February 16th, 2010
1:47 pm
Tough call on which team is having a better year, but which coach is having a better season is pretty obvious.
Michael
February 16th, 2010
1:58 pm
Nonsense. I’m a Dawg fan, but Tech is clearly having the better season. UGA is doing a better job of meeting/exceeding expectations than Tech, but Tech’s bar was set much higher than UGA’s. Simply doing better than expected is not the same as truly having a better year. Tech is clearly ahead in that department. Tech will likely make the NCAA tournament, and would certainly be in the NIT if they don’t. UGA isn’t going to sniff either one unless they repeat the SEC tourney miracle of a couple of years ago. Therefore, Tech is having a better year. Period, end of story.
It was nice to beat them though.
Vick=Dog killing thug
February 16th, 2010
1:59 pm
Just like in football, UGA hoops having an off or rebuilding year can still beat the bugs. Slice and dice it anyway you want but it’s the truth.
We run this state
Bradley is a jackass
February 16th, 2010
2:23 pm
This article exemplifies the pathetic fanbase of UGA. Dead last in the division and they’re satisfied. And glowing about the “amazing job” Fox is doing. If he was so amazing UGA wouldn’t be dead last in the east. Get a grip folks!
wiley
February 16th, 2010
2:27 pm
Vick=Dog killing thug your right. When was the last time you got an at large bid to the tourney?….crickets chirping.
Mark Bradley
February 16th, 2010
2:28 pm
Last Georgia at-large bid to the NCAA was in 2002. FYI.
wiley
February 16th, 2010
2:30 pm
Is there an asterisk next to it? due to Harrick?
Mark Bradley
February 16th, 2010
2:31 pm
I don’t know that Georgia had to forfeit games from that season, Wiley.
wiley
February 16th, 2010
2:33 pm
Mark, I know this is assuming Paul Hewitt gets canned…but what coach do you think tech should go after? Assuming money will be short…I think they should give a young coach just like UGA did for fox. I think anyone can win with the amount of talent tech has.
wiley
February 16th, 2010
2:34 pm
wow I messed that question up.
*I think they should give a young coach a chance just like UGA did for fox.
Mark Bradley
February 16th, 2010
2:39 pm
Wiley, there’s no way Hewitt gets fired if the Jackets make the NCAA tournament, which I’m still confident they will. But, for the sake of conjecture …
I’d start with Brad Stevens of Butler. Or Brian Gregory of Dayton.
wiley
February 16th, 2010
2:48 pm
Thanks for the insight mark.
Evansdawg
February 16th, 2010
2:51 pm
Coach Fox has rekindled interest in Georgia Basketball. That in itself is remarkable. I was lucky enough to have attended the game vs. Tennessee, which was also the first sellout of Stegeman for a basketball game since 2007. The place was on fire. The fans were as vocal is in 1990 when we won the SEC vs. Shaq and LSU. Its good to see this new interest, and Coach Fox is getting the attention of some great recruits out there. Dawg fans have no reason to be angry about what is happening in Georgia hoops. We are THE team in the SEC that nobody wants to play right now. Thats cool! Go Dawgs.
Ted M
February 16th, 2010
3:38 pm
Tech is going to lose at home tonight against NC…unfortunately.
db
February 16th, 2010
3:39 pm
As much as I would like to agree with much of the bulldog nation, UGA will never be a basketball powerhouse as long as they are playing in the confines of Stegeman…that place is horrid….high schools have better facilities. Places like Duke can get away with minimal facilities due to tradition, but UGA has no tradition to speak of.
Ted M
February 16th, 2010
3:41 pm
Tech is going to lose at home tonight to NC…unfortunately.
MorningJacket
February 16th, 2010
3:44 pm
Some suggestions for CPH (I’ve got a lot more!):
1. Make Favors come off the bench. If he pouts, tough. He’s not doing anything near what was expected anyway. It might motivate him to start scoring more than 4 pts.a game (see Wake) and not look so aloof/bored on the court (see every game).
2. Reduce playing time for anyone who shoots less than 70% of their free throws. Anyone who shoots an air ball on a free throw gets benched immediately.
3. Require minimum three passes before shooting in half-court offense. (Watch how top 5 teams move the ball.)
4. Instead of lashing out and destroying the confidence of Shumpert/Udofia, work with them. They both look like scared rabbits on the court.
5. You work hard on defense. If you’re incapable of creating an offense, at least get some motion going. You have 10 players; you can sub out if someone gets tired.
6. Ditch that God-awful press. It’s given up way more easy baskets than created turnovers.
7. Locate some rec league coaches and ask them to give you some inbounds plays.
Work on these, Coach, for starters. A lot more to come before tournament time. No pressure.
Ted M
February 16th, 2010
3:55 pm
hmmm
UGA is state champs!!!!
February 16th, 2010
4:02 pm
73-66!!!!
73-66!!!!
73-66!!!!
73-66!!!!
73-66!!!!
73-66!!!!
73-66!!!!
73-66!!!!
73-66!!!!
73-66!!!!
73-66!!!!
73-66!!!!
GA Tech is supposed to be the most talented team in the nation and contend for the national title!
However, Tech could not even win the state championship as UGA whipped them even using walk-ons!!!
As usual GA Tech is overrated and chokes easily! It is a cycle that never ends!
73-66!!!!
C’mon Techies let’s hear your long list of creative excuses and those never ending moans and whines that you have year after year!
GT Flagboy
February 16th, 2010
4:04 pm
At least our guys look so hot in those shiny gold shorts and those long sexy legs! Oh Yum!
I’d like to thank all of the Jacketnation for helping Atlanta to be named the number one gay city in America. It could not have happened without us!
Go Jackets!
goatD
February 16th, 2010
4:06 pm
Great logic. Similarly, Tennessee had a better football season than Alabama or Florida. And the Dawgs are better in roundball than Kansas, Villanova, or Kentucky. Heck, they’re better than anybody in everything. Wheeeeeee!
Truth
February 16th, 2010
4:23 pm
Georgia is playing much better than expectations while GA Tech has not come close to being as good as they were predicted to be. The tie breaker is 73-66! UGA won!
The Georgia Bulldogs beat the overrated Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets 73-66!
It will be interesting to see how much Mark Fox achieves at Georgia once he has a talented team!
We already know what Paul Hewitt does at Tech with a talented team — not much!!!!
Deputy Dawg
February 16th, 2010
4:25 pm
UGA 73
Tech 66
True Dawg fan
February 16th, 2010
4:29 pm
As a Dawg fan I hope Tech squeezes in to the NCAA Tournament as a bubble team so that Paul Hewitt will still be their coach! Why you might ask? Because it is fun watching Tech be such a mediocre team and waste tons of future NBA talent and realize how unhappy & frustrated the entire Termite Nation is!
FullMetalJacket
February 16th, 2010
4:34 pm
Records notwithstanding, Mark Fox and UGA are having the much better season because they are actually building something that will continue to strengthen the mutts’ program over the coming years. For Tech and Hewitt, this is just a repeat of the last five seasons, with better talent certainly, but with no promise of continuity or consistency in progress. With the almost certainty that Hewitt will be gone after the season is over, and with rumored NCAA violations on the horizon, things are not rosy for Tech in the immediate future. That said, if Hewitt does indeed get the boot, there will at least be some much-needed enthusiasm about next year, regardless of the prospect of rebuilding with less talent. After a year or two, Tech should regain its dominant position in Georgia state hoops.
FullMetalJacket
February 16th, 2010
4:39 pm
By the same token, there is no doubt that Tech is kicking he** out of UGA in football progress the past two years, despite this year’s loss, and football is what most of us really care about. It’s as unlikely that Tech will surpass UGA in football overall as it is that UGA will surpass Tech in basketball, but as Johnson has breathed new fire and excitement into the Jackets it will be a lot more fun for Tech fans in coming years (and I would contend a healthier rivalry is good for UGA also!).
Floundering Fox Hounds Batman!
February 16th, 2010
4:39 pm
UGA All Time record against the Chickens is 47 – 47 and Auburn 87 – 87 in mens Basketball. According to Chip Towers UGA has only a winning record against ole Miss in the SEC. Pathetic ! Dooley and Evans should be ashamed.
Tech Town
February 16th, 2010
4:42 pm
Tech will make the NCAA tournament. Ga will not.
Question answered—move along now.
RussThePaintedMascot
February 16th, 2010
4:43 pm
Mark Fox good. Paul Hewitt very very bad. Mark Richt good. Paul Johnson very very good. Firing Hewitt very very good. Painting replacement mascots very very bad.
RussThePaintedMascot
February 16th, 2010
4:45 pm
Tech fails to meet expectations–again. UGA exceeds expectations–for a change. Enough said. Move along yo’sef.
Floundering Fox Hounds Batman!
February 16th, 2010
4:47 pm
Opps I stand corrected…. not Chip Towers but Timmy Tucker…..
RussThePaintedMascot
February 16th, 2010
4:49 pm
Of course, UGA fans are delusional if they think that Mark Fox will stay in Athens if he does fulfill his early promise. If Mark Fox is still at UGA in three years, it will be because the Dogs are pretty good but not great. The HC basketball job at UGA is the equivalent of the HC football job at Kentucky. An average job opportunity in a great conference but the wrong sport.
FullMetalJacket
February 16th, 2010
4:58 pm
Mark, I really hope you are wrong about Hewitt not getting fired if the Jackets make the NCAA Tourney. I think the level of disgust with Hewitt among the Tech faithful is too high for even the GTAA to ignore. It’s been bad on the blogs for a couple of years, but I mean at games, in alumni meetings, on campus, and among administration….I have heard too many negative comments and financially-driven criticism of Hewitt. A Sweet Sixteen finish might do it, but just making the field with a potential Final-Four team would not be enough, I think. Especially if they perform as usual in the first round.
FullMetalJacket
February 16th, 2010
5:00 pm
I agree the Jackets may well back into the tourney, but do you really think making the field with a first or second round exit would save Hewitt’s job, Mark?
Mark Bradley
February 16th, 2010
5:01 pm
I can’t see it happening, FullMetalJacket. I think Tech will take an NCAA tournament berth as evidence of progress.
Mark Bradley
February 16th, 2010
5:02 pm
Now, if you’re asking if I’d take it the same way: No, I wouldn’t. I think Hewitt needs to reach the Sweet 16.
Tron Carter
February 16th, 2010
5:22 pm
Keep Hewitt
http://www.bwwahhaahha73-66makes30-24hurtevenmore.com
has "mourningjackass" ever coached?
February 16th, 2010
6:09 pm
a blogger giving advise to a coach (poor perhaps) is funny.
Blewitt Must Go
February 16th, 2010
7:10 pm
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Staten Island Buzz
February 16th, 2010
9:16 pm
Georgia views a “good” season as “showing improvement. Making the NCAAs??? No big deal—just “show improvement.” Tech—making the NCAAs is a minimum expectation. Illustrating—the difference in the programs. One is big time, one is feel good.
Gators Don't Do Well in the NFL
February 16th, 2010
10:49 pm
UF’s a bust in the NFL. Here’s an article that shows the Gators don’t do well in the NFL:
http://blogs.chron.com/fantasyfootball/2010/02/it_feels_great_to_draft_a_flor.html
BuLLdawg
February 17th, 2010
1:55 am
30-24
73-66
56-50
UGA is having the Perfect Season over Georgia tek in Football, Men’s Basketball and Football.
That says it all, except that UGA is far better in Academic Progress Rate APR than Georgia tek in all 3 sports we have beat Georgia tek in already.
Now we turn our sights on Baseball where UGA owns a 6-1 record over Georgia tek in Baseball Games at Turner Field, a 195-148-2 All-Time UGA Advantage in Baseball over Georgia tek and in Strength of Schedule UGA faces # 8 and Georgia tek # 35.
BuLLdawg
February 17th, 2010
1:57 am
Do they let a team limited to only 11 scholarships in men’s basketball by The NCAA Probation of Georgia tek for your 914 APR to play in a post-season tournament ?
How horrible is that, not to mention Paul Hewitt has a LOSING RECORD by several games to UGA.
RYNO
February 17th, 2010
3:28 am
Im a tech fan and the way things are going GT wont stand a chance against UGA in a couple of years. Hewitt has got to go. 3 all-americans and struggling to make the tourney? What a joke.
RYNO
February 17th, 2010
3:40 am
This is the problem with Hewitt, hes just good enough of a coach and recruiter to keep his job and bad enough to make us all suffer. At some point you just got to accept that the team is going nowhere and start over, good or bad.
iBlogAuto
February 17th, 2010
7:13 am
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Greg
February 17th, 2010
7:43 am
Travis Leslie is now projected as the #12 pick(updated from #23) in the first round of the 2011 NBA draft at nbadraft.net. Trey Thompkins is projected at #19 in the first round. If that’s anywhere close to being accurate, Georgia is going to have a very talented and experienced(all Jr’s and Sr’s) starting lineup next year with Ware, Gerald Robinson, Leslie, Thompkins and Jeremy Price. Next year is the key year for Fox.
Tron Carter
February 17th, 2010
9:23 am
It’s obvious that Miss State is having one of their all time years in fan racism and douchebaggness.
Way to make the conference look good yesterday you water throwing racist douchenozzles.
You are the West Viriginia of the SEC.
It’s not anyone else’s but your fault that you can’t beat any team from the State of Kentucky.
AceDawg
February 17th, 2010
10:27 am
I’m worried UGA won’t snag one or two big recruits this year, which would be essential in improving to NCAA tourney quality next year. They seem so well coached when I watch them move the ball to get shots, it would only take one or two solid recruits to move the ship well ahead.
AceDawg
February 17th, 2010
10:32 am
Oh, and really, letdown or not, GTech is clearly having a better season. However, it is very easy to argue that Mark Fox is having a better season than Paul Hewitt. I would think UGA, if Fox can convince a couple strong recruits to come to Athens next year, will rise quickly and remain an NCAA tourney contender every year Fox is on our sidelines. The fans need to fill the stands up and show recruits that their interest in UGA is worthwhile. They don’t get paid, so they are going to go to the program that brings them more attention and excitement.
dawgrific
February 17th, 2010
12:05 pm
Answer=The Dawgs, Period!! Woof-Woof, see ya in the NIT techsters, lol
BuzzFlavor
February 17th, 2010
1:59 pm
Georgia–minor bowl in shreveport in football
NIT in basketball
Tech—BCS in football
NCAA tournament in basketball
The two programs are far apart in quality in the only 2 sports that matter (no dawgs—tennis is not a major sport)
T3
February 17th, 2010
2:23 pm
Last night’s B-Ball game vs. UNC spoke VOLUMES about this GT team.
Just calling it like I saw it (in person).
Shumpert & Lawal hardly played in the first half…and GT played very well: 41-21 at half.
When Shumpert & Lawal got MOST of their playing time in second half,
GT didnt play so well. LOTS of turnovers.
Of ALL the yelling CPH did all night, the OVERHWELMING MAJORITY
of the yelling was directed to just two players: Shumpert & Lawal.
There was a BIG change in team performance between first half and second half.
Mid-way second half, CPH calls a TO. CPH walks ALL THE WAY out almost to the top of the key, yelling at his team in frustration.
Then, just one minute later he has to call another TO.
He spent the ENTIRE second TO grilling only one player: Shumpert.
Hey, just telling you what I saw.
d1reality
February 17th, 2010
2:52 pm
uga basketball is irrelevant – a non entity on the national front
Only game they have at home close to a sellout is UK.
Never will be in the same class as a UK or UT or even Vandy for that matter.
Another Dawg
February 17th, 2010
5:45 pm
It’s inane to say that Georgia is having a better season than Tech. As long as Tech doesn’t miss the tourney, they’ll still have the better season.
Georgia has definitely been the bigger surprise… Glad to see there’s a basketball team for me to care about again.
Pope UGA XXIII
February 17th, 2010
6:12 pm
Was Paul Hewitt secretly UGA’s defensive coach ???
Hewitt + Martinez = serious underachievers
GTBMED
February 17th, 2010
10:32 pm
Da’Rick will clown UGA. 2 for 1 TD’s, clowns!
GTBMED
February 17th, 2010
10:32 pm
Most UGa fans couldn’t even sniff at entry to GSU.
Real Buzz
February 17th, 2010
11:30 pm
Georgia may not even make the NIT and somehow they are “having a better season than Tech?” Lay off the weed for awhile—Tech’s going to the NCAAs—the only tourny that matters.
brokebackvol
February 18th, 2010
8:48 am
This Volfan thinks the Dawgs are vastly better, and UGA fans should celebrate getting a good coach to turn that program around – hasn’t been much since the end of the Hugh Durham’s days as coach. Tech plays in a tougher conference, so different obstacle course in schedule.
GREAT JOB UGA!
February 18th, 2010
10:33 am
You’re almost .500 in basketball and you might make the N.I.T!
Mark Fox for President!
GREAT JOB UGA!
February 18th, 2010
1:57 pm
Man, for going to the Shreveport Independence Bowl and not even making the N.I.T. there sure are a lot of chest thumping Dawg fans out there.
Celebration!!!
February 18th, 2010
3:38 pm
Another SEC loss!!! YES!!! But, somehow the team is better!!!! Another NIT run!!!! YES!!!! Fox is the man—give him a huge raise, bonus and long-term contract extension. Break the bank!!! He’s the next John Wooden!!!!! YES–the Dawgs are back!!!!!!!
GO DAWGS!
February 18th, 2010
4:01 pm
We’re waaaaaay better than the Jackets. Well, I mean besides the fact that we won’t even come close to sniffing the N.I.T. and they’re headed to the tourney. Oh and besides the fact that SEC basketball isn’t as strong as the ACC. Oh and besides the fact that Wofford beat us by 30 on our own court. Oh and besides the fact that Tech has a winning record and we’re not even at .500.
GO DAWGS!
col foot
February 18th, 2010
5:00 pm
if UGA played any sport in that sorry acc they would dominate, those yellow blow flys on north avenue should be playing high school teams, then they may compete, but it’s doubtful!!
GTMAN:
February 18th, 2010
10:23 pm
Has anyone seen where they project the puppies to be seeded in the NCAA’s? Oh, I am sorry, I mean the NIT, oh………my bad, I mean the TV! Dawgs suck azz! What a joke of a team, school, fan base and city. get a life and get a clue, as the season in hoops is done for you. THWG!
GTMAN:
February 18th, 2010
10:25 pm
Hey col foot: GT has the top 29 RPI, UGAG is 90th. Face it, UGAG sucks azz, just like every year. Your sorry azz team won’t even make the NIT. You suck, so just admit it. THWG!
GTMAN:
February 18th, 2010
10:26 pm
Celebration: Keep smoking the crack my man. You are one clueless puupy fan! THWG they suck!
NIT Bound!
February 19th, 2010
12:57 am
Anyone know when the Georgia NIT tickets will go on sale? I need to get 2 tickets bad and may have to camp out but it will be worth it, since Ga will be playing a big time team in the NIT!!! I haven’t been this excited since we got that hole in our doublewide fixed last year!!! NIT—the measure of success!!!!
Hey GTMAN
February 19th, 2010
9:15 am
Are you that dumb? Go back and read “Celebration’s” post. He’s a Tech fan being sarcastic. Sheesh…not the brightest huh?
Lane4411
February 19th, 2010
12:17 pm
Georgia, moves the ball very well. Free throw shooting, has improved dratatically.
Fox can coach, NO doubt.
NIT Hawk!
February 20th, 2010
10:21 am
I’m counting down the days until that NIT big and big party in Athens baby!!! I’m hoping UGA gets a first round game against some other powerhouse like Penn State, Creighton or maybe even Baylor!!! Mark Fox—coaching genius!!!
GT IS NOW A 6TH RATE HIGH SCHOOL TEAM
February 20th, 2010
6:56 pm
HAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA
GT IS NOW A 6TH RATE HIGH SCHOOL TEAM
February 20th, 2010
6:57 pm
WILL ALWAYS BE.
UGA is the future
February 22nd, 2010
3:39 pm
Next year could easily be the tournament for Fox’s squad. Leslie and Thompkins will only improve. Price has shown tremendous improvement(although he still has a ways to go.) Chris Barnes looked good against Bama. We have already signed a top 150 guy out of southern Florida. Connor Notle was a big recruit in high school and he will be eligible after sitting out a transfer year. Hopefully we can get some good guard play and get our bench to play a bigger role.
With Kentucky having 3 guys go to the NBA, UT losing Chism, and USC losing Downey, we should be able to compete for the second or third spot in the East and make a tourney run.
Tech Bee
February 22nd, 2010
9:48 pm
Tech will make the ncaas, ga may not even make the NIT. Who’s having the better season????? Lay off the weed before writing these columns.
Hunker Down
February 23rd, 2010
10:55 am
Fox has accomplished more than expected. Tech has fallen short with all the All Americans on their team.
Reality Tech
February 23rd, 2010
9:23 pm
The fact that Ga fans are actually thinking they are having a good season, when they may not even make the NIT, says a lot about their fanbase and expectations, and the reason they will never be anything big. They accept mediocrity and look for “moral victories”!!! Amazingly funny. Enjoy dawgs–Tech will be in the sweet 16—mark it down!
Matt
February 24th, 2010
12:46 pm
Not even close. UGA is having the better season. Tech could’ve been argued to be 1 of 6 or 7 teams to compete for the National Title. Now they may not even make into the dance at all. UGA was hoping for a .500 season with a new coach.
Tech 88
February 24th, 2010
10:12 pm
When is ga going to get rid of that old rodeo barn and build a real arena for BB? They’re not even making the NIT and are barking about “having a better season.” Too funny!!!!
jonspot
February 24th, 2010
10:38 pm
wow. but expected. the logic is flawless on Broad Street and the grease trap at Waffle House everywhere else on earth.
Georgia is
February 25th, 2010
12:16 pm
Scoreboard Sucka
73-66
30-24
BBBBBBBWWWWAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAA
Georgia is
February 25th, 2010
12:17 pm
When is Trek going to build a real non-NAIA looking football stadium?
Never, since you can’t even fill 55,000 (BBUUHHUUWWAAHHAA) seats with the lure of free food
Georgia is
February 25th, 2010
12:22 pm
and will always be #1 in this State.
Trek is an overrated program in both sports with two loser coaches, one who looks like Susan Boyle
The triple joke is recruit repellant
60-39-5
8 of 9
The 30-24 humiliation of your highly touted so-called gimmick football team was hillarious, but 73-66 was….was…BBBBBBUHHHHUUUUUUUUWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHAAAAAA
Georgia is
February 25th, 2010
12:25 pm
UGA is the future,
I agree with you, but you shouldn’t refer to South Carolina as USC.
The real USC took that from them in court recently.
No mercy for a program with an all time losing football record
BBBBBUUUHHHHUWWWAAAAAHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAA
mdawg
March 2nd, 2010
10:30 pm
georgia got a steal when mark fox came to UGA.. i have went to 2 UGA basketball games and i have watched CMF’s mannerisms. what stands out is that he lays everything on the line. and his players feed off of that. CMF will get in the face of an official and he will even bump an official (check the youtube video of him doing that). that gets his players fired up.
travis leslie is one of the most improved players in the country due to his hard work. but it seems to me that CMF has lit a fire under his ass to make him improve. thats my kind of coach.
as for UGAs record….. we were up by 11 at kentucky in the 2nd half and we lost. i can think of 6 other games that shouldve been wins. miss st. vandy, s carolina, at tenn, ark and ole miss… if we had 4 of those wins we would be in the ncaa as well