Bradley’s Buzz: The verdict on UGA’s and Tech’s signees

Understand: I don’t believe Georgia’s recruiting class was a disaster, and I’ve already written as much. But even those who insist recruiting rankings don’t mean anything are duty-bound to check them out. And here, as a public service, they are:

ESPN.com has Georgia 12th nationally and sixth in the SEC.

Rivals.com has Georgia 16th nationally and sixth in the SEC.

Scout.com has Georgia 21st nationally and seventh in the SEC.

For most of Signing Day, ESPN was the only site that had the Bulldogs in the Top 10, but they slid out come sundown. Neither ESPN nor Rivals ranked any Georgia signee a 5-star player; Scout awards safety Alec Ogletree of Newnan five stars.

In five years of compiling recruiting ratings, ESPN ranked Georgia No. 13 in 2007 but in its top six the other three years. As noted early Wednesday, Rivals hadn’t rated the Bulldogs lower than 10th since 2001, when Mark Richt had been on the job barely two months. (They were likewise 16th then.) Scout had Georgia No. 15 in 2007 and No. 11 in 2003 but it its Top Ten every other year since 2001.

For comparison’s sake, here’s where the three sites ranked Georgia Tech: 43rd nationally according to Rivals, 41st according to Scout and nowhere nationally according to ESPN, which only assigns numbers to its Top 25. The Worldwide Leader did have Tech sixth in the ACC and assigned it a letter grade of B-minus. (Link requires registration.)

Georgia’s letter grade, as assigned by ESPN’s Scouts Inc.? A B-plus. (Link requires registration.)

Oh, and one curiosity: The Bulldogs dropped from 15th to 16th as per Rivals because they signed wide receiver Lonnie Outlaw of Wilcox County, whom Rivals adjudges a 2-star recruit. Then again, Tim Jennings arrived at Georgia a 2-star recruit, and he’ll be playing in the Super Bowl come Sunday. More about Jennings and signees and impact freshmen is available in this post. So y’all come back, ya hear?

141 comments Add your comment

Brandon from Warner Robins

February 3rd, 2010
10:57 pm

Another good read, MB. Thanks. I’ll be back.

Reid Adair

February 3rd, 2010
10:58 pm

I have never put much credence in player and class rankings. Sure, talent helps, but it’s also possible for coaches to turn 2- and 3-star players in to college stars. I heard earlier today that both Tim Tebow and Colt McCoy were 3-star players coming out of high school.

Mark Bradley

February 3rd, 2010
10:59 pm

I know you will, Brandon. Thanks. And kudos.

Beware of the junkyard dawg

February 3rd, 2010
11:01 pm

Mark Bradley

February 3rd, 2010
11:03 pm

Tebow was a 5-star recruit according to Rivals, Reid. McCoy was a 3-star player.

Stan Diego

February 3rd, 2010
11:04 pm

Enter your comments here

Stan Diego

February 3rd, 2010
11:06 pm

Look on the bright side, Mark – you won’t have to type “Da’Rick” nearly as much for the next few years.

Good, grind-it-out win for the Hawks tonight over a tough Clipper team.

Mark Bradley

February 3rd, 2010
11:07 pm

I listened to the Hawks game on the way home from Athens. Even Marvin had a double-double, as I understand it.

Stan Diego

February 3rd, 2010
11:07 pm

Look on the bright side, Mark – you won’t have to type “Da’Rick” nearly as often for the next few years.

Good, grind-it-out win for the Hawks tonight over a tough Clipper team.

Another Dawg

February 3rd, 2010
11:07 pm

Reid: Not true. Colt McCoy was a 3 star by Rivals, Tebow was 5.

Beware of the junkyard dawg

February 3rd, 2010
11:09 pm

Mr. Rogers, Rambo will be waiting for you next year in Athens between the hedges…
Regards,
The Dawg Nation

Brandon from Warner Robins

February 3rd, 2010
11:09 pm

Too bad Colt didn’t get a chance to play in the National Championship game. Terrible end to a great career.

New Study Proves Rivals Team Rankings INEPT!

February 3rd, 2010
11:11 pm

A new study done by Birmingham News analyzed the top 25 teams in recruiting by their rvials.com team recruiting score from 2005-2009.

In other words, 5 straight years of recruiting top classes ACCORDING TO THE EXPERTS AT RIVALS (HA!).

Results:
12 finished unranked in 2009
7 didn’t finish in the top 10 in 2009
6 finished in the top 10 for 2009

Conclusion:
Rivals cannot evaluate talent AT ALL!!!!

hERE’S THE STUDY:

http://blog.al.com/solomon/2010/02/many_top-ranked_signing_classe.html

GT Fan

February 3rd, 2010
11:12 pm

Recruiting ratings make for great conversation between us fans, but if they are a true measure of where a program should be then CMR is not getting the job done. Watch out for the Jackets, with a good defense we will be very difficult to beat. CPJ knows how to build a team to win championships!!

DR.J

February 3rd, 2010
11:12 pm

A lot of very good athletes out there right now Mark , but unfortunately for the Dawgs there has been somewhat of a coaching black hole in Athens. Hope that can change but the next couple of years will be critical as far as slipping back into the pack or elevating a program to challenge for the SEC ..maybe more than X’s and O’s…type of player, overall philosphy, etc…

Go Dogs Go!

February 3rd, 2010
11:13 pm

Feels like Santa took left coal in my stocking. Mark Brandley, I’m very distressed about the phenomenal recruiting classes signed by Georgia’s rivals, in comparison to the “solid, but not spectacular” class signed by Richt. Why so many misses, defections, and inability to bring southern football stars to Athens? Will Richt’s regime crumble faster than this class? Please give me something to hang my hat on before I throw it away!
Go Dogs Go!

Go Dogs Go!

February 3rd, 2010
11:13 pm

minus “took” from the first sentence.

New Study Proves Rivals Player Rankings INEPT!

February 3rd, 2010
11:16 pm

the new study proved that 61% of this year’s 1st team All-Americans were NOT ranked in the top 10 in their position by rivals.com

In other words, Rivals.com is right about 39% of the time on exceptional talent, WRONG about 61% of the time about exceptional talent.

In other words, 61% chance guys like Da’ Rick will never live up to his potential!

Here’s the study:

http://blog.al.com/solomon/2010/02/many_top-ranked_signing_classe.html

Robert

February 3rd, 2010
11:16 pm

GT Fan maybe one day he will know how to build one the can win a bowl game and beat bowl eligible out of conference teams. Until he does that he’s done nothing.

Mark Bradley

February 3rd, 2010
11:17 pm

If this is the worst recruiting Georgia ever does — and I’m using the word “worst” advisedly — I’d say the Bulldogs are in good shape. As Rodney Garner said Wednesday, this year was “challenging.”

Give me Heart

February 3rd, 2010
11:17 pm

I look at this way so we have had top ten classes in the last 7 or 8 years and where exactly has that gotten us….Matthew Stafford who was overrated and had about half the heart David Green or David Pollack had and had his eyes on the NFL even before he got to ATHENS….Give me a team full of David Greens and David Pollacks any day of the week….Knowshon was great but was gone in two years when the Cody, Tebow, McCoy and others actually felt some loyalty to their schools. Recruiting is pure hype of course you want as many Stars as you can get but give me a 2 to 3 star anyday of the week with tons of heart over a 5 star who is selfish and immature like many of the players that have seem to come through Athens in the past few years. How many stars was Hines Ward? In the NFL he has Hall of Fame Stars….

Brandon from Warner Robins

February 3rd, 2010
11:19 pm

Does anyone know what happened with Nickell Robey?

Go Dogs Go!

February 3rd, 2010
11:22 pm

Dude went out to USC. He’s a left coaster now.

three jack

February 3rd, 2010
11:23 pm

when are you folks going to wake up? today’s players don’t get stoked about playing in an 80s style offense with about as much creativity as dominique wilkins calling a hawks game (love ya nique, but broadcasting skills have not improved).

in the end, da’rick rogers won’t really matter. but his last minute flip continues a disturbing trend of UGA being dis’d by coaches and recruits.

wake up mark richt!

Brandon from Warner Robins

February 3rd, 2010
11:23 pm

Go Dogs Go!,

Much appreciated.

Go Dogs Go!

February 3rd, 2010
11:24 pm

Speaking of USC: Mark Brandley- how will Lame Kiffin fare in the Pac 10? And, which members of the 2010 recruiting class will compete for immediate PT at UGA?

GTSteve

February 3rd, 2010
11:26 pm

After watching PJ’s meltdowns in 2 consecutive bowl games and losing to a really bad UGA team, I’m starting to wonder. The ACC is not a good measure of a football team as evidenced by our sorry end of year performances. And the ACC title game was even won against a 5 loss football team. PJ hasn’t proven anything up to now. Anything less than another ACC title and a BCS bowl win in PJ’s 3rd year with his players will be unacceptable. If that doesn’t happen PJ has done nothing more than talk big and produce little.

Brandon from Warner Robins

February 3rd, 2010
11:26 pm

Lane Kiffen wasn’t going to fare well in the SEC. He’s better off at USC where I think he’ll find more success. Pac-10 is no SEC.

The Grinch

February 3rd, 2010
11:28 pm

The sky isn’t falling. The dawgs will be fine. Once we show the defense is back this year the next class will be more in line with what we’re used to and this one wasn’t that bad. Obviously, Martinez hurt us off the field as well as on, but his stench will have cleared away by this time next year.

SST

February 3rd, 2010
11:28 pm

Makes you wonder why the NFL keeps running it huh three jack? Could it be because they know something that you don’t?

Go Dogs Go!

February 3rd, 2010
11:30 pm

Maybe I should re-phrase my question to Mark Brandley:
This is what I want to know- How can UGA gain ground on teams that whipped their tails (UF and Tennessee), when those same adversaries are also kicking CMR’s backside in recruiting? And, in the process picking some of Georgia’s finest football players out of the state, to add insult to debauchery, or something like that.

Michael Dawgs for life

February 3rd, 2010
11:30 pm

I can’t say that I’m extremely happy with the recruiting class this year but considering all of the coaching changes and lack of winning this year I can’t say I’m upset with it

Richt Figured It Out!

February 3rd, 2010
11:31 pm

I think Richt figured it out this year.

He completely ignored the rivals gsame, because he had proven by painful experience, rivals is clueless at evaluating talent.

So, he went with a lot of 3 and 4 star guys that HE and HIS STAFF reaLly liked and thought were guys with BIG UPSIDE.

61% chance Richt picked the RIGHT STRATEGY and OUTSMARTED URBAN MEYER.

Jl

February 3rd, 2010
11:34 pm

Matt Ryan was a 3 star and was rated the 25th best qb out of high school via rivals, the only other qb to become a starter out that class in the NFL was Joe flacco, he was number 40. Prob about 7 out of the top 10 never even started a full season in college.

Joseph Stone

February 3rd, 2010
11:36 pm

MB, everybody keeps touting GT and Paul Johnson in spite of their 2 consecutive end of season debacles. And these were not just losses they were embarrassments. 10 offensive points in 2 games is humiliating for a team that was supposedly such an offensive juggernaut. Johnson’s offense has been totaling incapable of controlling the football in those games leading to a cumulative score of 63-17. Mark Bradley those games don’t lie. What will you be saying about Paul Johnson if next year it happens again. Will he be no more than a good coach that can’t get it done when it matters the most like so many want to say about Mark Richt. Richt won the SEC, a BCS bowl, and finished #3 in the nation in his 2nd year. Paul Johnson fails miserably in crunch time yet you have practically deified the guy. Go figure.

Rivals Proven WRONG 75% Of The Time!

February 3rd, 2010
11:37 pm

When it comes to team rankings, Rivals.com will predict the WRONG TEAM about 75% of the time.

When it comes to players, Rivals.com’s predictions are WRONG about 61% of the time.

Here’s the study:

http://blog.al.com/solomon/2010/02/many_top-ranked_signing_classe.html

Go Dogs Go!

February 3rd, 2010
11:38 pm

I’m less concerned about stars than I am about numbers. Richt needed to fill this class up. Instead, he gained just 18+ a GMC bound athlete. This class should have been about adding depth to key positions and preparing for the departure of AJ Green, by adding 1 or 2 stellar WRs. Instead, the class seems incomplete. I could be wrong. But, I rarely am. Ha.

EastCobbVol

February 3rd, 2010
11:38 pm

I can say that I’m extremely happy with the recruiting class this year and considering all of the coaching changes I also can’t say that I’m upset with it. As a matter of fact I’m thrilled.

CDD and his new staff should be very proud of what they have accomplished in 2 weeks.

Mark, thanks to you and Chip for the fair reporting and I have a feeling that this year will just add to what’s already a great rivialy with the Dawgs!

Jl

February 3rd, 2010
11:42 pm

Gt Steve,
Paul Johnson has produced little? He wins the acc, beats ga after 7 straight loses and plays in 2 new years day bowls, one being a bcs. Yeah maybe we can bring back chan gailey and go 7-5 every year, at least he could recruit a little and his offense looked good while we were losing.

ESPN Kiss of Death

February 3rd, 2010
11:44 pm

No team who has finished #1 in recruiting on ESPN has EVER gone on to win the National Championship the next year.

Florida is the lucky winner of the ESPN Kiss of Death Award.

Big Dawg Bite

February 3rd, 2010
11:45 pm

A kid can be a 5-Star recruit coming out of high school. But on the first day of practice, he may get his bell rung and turn into an instant baby. Coach, I don’t think this game of football is for me anymore. Can I be release from my scholarship? Whoop there it is, a transfer to another school. From there, he quits school and ends up riding on back of a trash truck. Here’s your 5-Star recruit.

GTgrad81

February 3rd, 2010
11:47 pm

We are still very thin even after 3 years of PJ’s recruiting. A backs and B backs out the wazoo but nothing to brag about on either line and now Joseph Gilbert may be gone. Does PJ still not get it after having his butt handed to him in 2 bowls that it’s the big uglies that win the big games. We will never be a force outside the ACC with linemen that know nothing but diving at an opponents ankles. We are not bringing in the kind of O linemen that can withstand the big, strong, defensive fronts of some of our future opponents.

Mark Bradley

February 3rd, 2010
11:50 pm

I’ll try to answer the question about impact freshmen tomorrow morning. As for Lane Kiffin … he’ll have to coach somebody eventually, and I don’t know if he can manage.

GT Fan...

February 3rd, 2010
11:50 pm

GT Steve … PJ’s obviously doing something right b/c in just 2 seasons he’s got you stating that anything less than an ACC title AND a BCS bowl win will be unacceptable.

And I’d argue that the ACC in past 2 seasons has been overall better & more competitive than during Gailey’s entire tenure, and Gailey had a DC that could stop people on many occassions. In Gailey’s entire 0-6 run vs ga how many times did that offensive genius’ teams score more than 17 pts?? The answer you’re looking for is ZERO. PJ’s teams, with their so-called “high school offense” have managed 45 & 24 pts.

Relax and stop being a pessimist. PJ’s got the program moving in the right direction. This ain’t his first rodeo.

GT Fan

February 3rd, 2010
11:51 pm

Well said JI. Give CPJ some more bulk up front on the lines and more talent on D and watch out!

Go Dogs Go!

February 3rd, 2010
11:52 pm

Mitch Bradley, If my name was Vince Donley and my son Da’rick Donley was coach at UT, should I give up my office at UGA? Let’s be real. I’ve got a good view of the practice field and unlimited access to the program. Does that create a conflict of interest?

GTgrad81

February 3rd, 2010
11:53 pm

Jl he didn’t beat UGA this year with the best GT team since 1990 and his offense got humiliated in the Orange Bowl. Face it. We beat a 5 loss team to win the ACC in a year when half the league finished under .500. GTSteve is right. PJ really hasn’t proven anything up to this point. He needs to start winning at the end of the year when it counts. This 3rd year is pivotal. If he can’t do it in 2010 he never will and we need to be objective about that. The rest of the ACC isn’t going to just stand around and not get better either. We are staring the possibility of finishing 3rd in the Coastal in 2010 in what should be Paul Johnson’s break out year.

GTgrad81

February 3rd, 2010
11:55 pm

GT Fan, PJ himself has said his offense won’t work with bulkier offensive linemen. We are in somewhat of a catch 22 in that regard.

Go Dogs Go!

February 3rd, 2010
11:56 pm

No, I am not Jeff Schultz.

Is a 5 Star Coachable?

February 3rd, 2010
11:57 pm

61% of 5 star players are not coachable.

Terrell Owens types.

61% will NOT become an ALL-AMERICAN.

P.S. My guess is 90%, not just 61%, of Rivals top 100 will never be drafted in the NFL. I’d say 95% will never become an NFL Pro Bowler.

Hey Bradley, win a Pulitzer, study this relationship between top 100 picks and NFL success.

Here’s the 61% study of All-Americans:

http://blog.al.com/solomon/2010/02/many_top-ranked_signing_classe.html