The Braves: Serious about saving $$$, less so about winning
Melky Cabrera: The latest in a series of cost-cutting imports. (AJC photo by Jason Getz)
The Braves just traded the man who might well have been their Opening Day starting pitcher for an outfielder who might not start on Opening Day. Think about that.
Think also about this: The Braves just traded a man who finished fourth in the National League Cy Young voting because he was making too much money. And here’s how much Javier Vazquez is scheduled to make in 2010 — $11.5 million. That’s not even half what CC Sabathia, his new Yankee teammate, will earn. And that tells us all we need know about the Braves.
They keep making noises about contending for division titles, but it’s just noise. They can’t afford to do real business any longer. From the day the 2009 season ended they were looking to dump a starting pitcher, ostensibly to add a power hitter, but Melky Cabrera isn’t a power hitter. He was the eighth-best position player on the Yankees. He might not beat out Nate McLouth in center field here. He might wind up in a platoon. And he’s what the Braves got for the man who was their best pitcher last season.
“A perfect fit,” Frank Wren called Cabrera, speaking on a teleconference Tuesday, but the only thing perfect about this trade was how completely it detonates the Braves’ claim to being serious players. You don’t trade an ace unless you get a big bopper in return. The Braves got a guy who hit 13 home runs with 68 RBIs last season.
Yes, there’s more to the trade than Cabrera. Mike Dunn should help in the bullpen and Arodys Vizcaino is a young power arm, but the cold truth is that the Braves just played what they deemed their trump card — a surplus of starting pitching — without improving their run production one whit. And don’t fool yourselves: That $11.5 million they saved on Vazquez won’t allow them to splurge on Jason Bay or Matt Holliday. Those guys are out of price range, out of sight.
“We’re very fortunate to be able to make a deal like this,” Wren said. Then this: “We’ve been focused on [finding a run producer] all offseason, and we were waiting on the right match. And we’re still waiting.”
But Vazquez is gone. Can’t trade him twice. And the Braves can’t trade Derek Lowe because they’re down to five starters. So the best that can be reasonably hoped is that they find a Marlon Byrd or a Xavier Nady or — knowing as we do that the Braves love recycling old favorites — a Mark DeRosa or a Jermaine Dye. Except none of those players will make them better in the way that losing Vazquez makes them worse.
Loading ...As someone who has defended Wren in the past, I have to say I’m stumped. Obviously the Braves’ salary constraints are worse than we’d been led to believe if they had to make this sort of deal so soon — Santa Claus hasn’t yet come and Javier Vazquez has left the building — but even more puzzling is Wren’s contention that this enabled him “to improve our club.” Maybe it improves it in 2012, when Vizcaino is ready to join Tommy Hanson and Jair Jurrjens. But the way the Braves operate those pitchers will have been sold off by then.
Nothing about this offseason suggests that the new Braves are any better than the ones who finished third in the NL East. Is Billy Wagner an upgrade over Rafael Soriano? No. (But he’s cheaper. And also older.) Is Takashi Saito better than Mike Gonzalez? No. (But he’s cheaper. And also older.) Is the new first baseman … oh, wait. They don’t yet have a new first baseman.
For all this motion — Wren is forever in a hurry — the Braves will enter January 2010 a lesser team than in September 2009. That’s not the way it’s supposed to work. But that is, sad to say, the way it works here, where $11.5 million for a big-time pitcher is considered too much, where the drive to win is trumped by the need to scrimp.
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Patience
December 22nd, 2009
5:43 pm
Not first … and don’t care!
I don’t think you can judge offseason moves until the mid-season. Who would have guessed that Pedro Martinez would have contributed as much as he did to the Phillies down the stretch last year?
Trading a pitcher has always been about payroll flexibility. Wren and others have said repeatedly that they didn’t expect to get the “power-hitting, run producer” through a trade. They couldn’t sign the hitter they want until they free up some payroll.
Obviously, Cabrera isn’t the answer. Maybe it’s a major power-hitting first basemen for a couple of years until Freddie Freeman is ready or a power-hitting corner outfielder until Jason Heyward is ready. Maybe they have decided that Heyward will be ready Opening Day. Either way, you can’t assume this move is the last move.
If Opening Day was December 23rd, I would share your concern. Given that Opening Day is almost four months away, I’ll reserve my angst.
bobby
December 22nd, 2009
5:43 pm
What is a Melky Cabrera?
pinkygonzales
December 22nd, 2009
5:43 pm
friends, this all about money, but not in the way we are discussing. this is the trade that allows us to keep Jason Heyward in the minors until June so he is not eligible for arbitration as a super 2 after two seasons. The money we have saved will go to a first baseman, hopefully one that can hit fourth and is right handed. But Melky Cabrera will be our opening day left fielder, if only because of the arbitration issue.
Baba O'Riley
December 22nd, 2009
5:43 pm
I’m walking down to Woody’s Coney Island for a hot dog. Anybody else?
Mark Bradley
December 22nd, 2009
5:43 pm
For those defending the trade, two questions: Is the Braves’ rotation substantially worse without Vazquez? And is the Braves outfield substantially better with Cabrera?
Jackets2009
December 22nd, 2009
5:44 pm
If Yankee fans don’t like the deal, they must be assuming Vazquez will have a difficult time in the AL East which is possible.
I wonder what Vazquez thinks.
eyes wide shut
December 22nd, 2009
5:44 pm
OK…first completely off the wall…how good can you really EVER BE with a name like “MELKY”…
next…unbelieveably STUPID!!!….I don’t care HOW much pitching we have…JV “follows a good year w/a bad one…” are you nuts???!!!….we HAD HIM ONE YEAR!!!…and he’s going into his F/A year…you’re tellin’ me he’s gonna “tank” in the year he stands to “land the big one”??…nnnnaaaaahhhh….he’ll be great (unless injured)…BET ON IT! Let’s see how “the Melk” matches up to NL pitching and more a few more “major league” parks…Last yr big talk about beating people w/”singles and doubles” (”gappers”) hitters….didn’t work…got Roche halfway thru season to add “pop”…it really helped and we still fall short…”Frenchy” was a nice guy, “head case”, “too much pressure”…we get a perennial .260 hitter then don’t “arbit” Roche…I think MB got it RIGHT…CHEAP!!!
“YAKS” are “yukking it up” in their sleeves RIGHT NOW!!!…can you say, “SUCKER PUNCH”?
“perfect fit”…?…FOR WHOM…NOT THE FANS….sounds like “Obamacare” to me…vast majority say it “stinks” and the “politocs” are “singing the praises”…I’m reeealllly having trouble seeing the “BIG PICTURE” here….best I can tell… 6 or 7 “starters a “set-up man” and a “has-been closer” hanging on by his ulnar…and outside of “the chipster”, “Mac” and “Yuni”, a bunch of .240 – .275 AAA prospects…that AIN’T a ML roster….we could’ve waited to see what teams lost a pitcher to injury in spring training and then be ready for a deal when we could’ve manuvered from a position of strength…by the way…anybody looked recently at the pitching bodies we’ve lost to injury ourselves over the past 2-3 seasons…ANOHTER WOW…I think FW is making a LOT OF ASSUMPTIONS and you wha they say about “assumptions”…”they make an — out of you and me”…let’s see just how much of an — the “Yaks” make FW look after this!!! I’m out!
Javy Vazquez/Lopez
December 22nd, 2009
5:45 pm
Lowe & Freddie Freeman arent going anywhere, the rotation is set I guarantee it! Wren is going to add a righty bat in left & move Diaz to start at first I just confirmed it with him, Nate in center & Melky in right, its a done deal, good job Wren!
yellowbastard
December 22nd, 2009
5:46 pm
Oh, how sweet.
Frank Wren bought the Yankees 2010 rings for Christmas.
What a douchebag move to dump salary after Lowe couldn’t keep his trap shut.
The very least we should have gotten was a 25hr/90rbi guy back for Javy.
Screw 2012. The future is now.
Mel
December 22nd, 2009
5:47 pm
Mr. Bradley, it is quite apparent that you hate this trade and while I am not overly enthused about it myself, I will wait to see what other pieces fall into place. That said, I believe both of us (as well as many others) had wished Lowe was the salary dump and not Vasquez. Realistically, what do you believe the return ($$$) on Lowe would have been, and would it have been enough to garner a usable LF and 1B?
Patience
December 22nd, 2009
5:47 pm
What’s the big deal over a name? We can discuss the merits of the trade and Cabrera’ statistics without maligning his name. We’re showing our cultural ignorance again. No need to remove all doubt. Welcome to the South Mr. Cabrera!
General Sherman
December 22nd, 2009
5:47 pm
WTF IS GOING ON IN WRENS HEAD,IF ANYTHING! THIS WAS A DUMB TRADE.
slobodan
December 22nd, 2009
5:47 pm
I’m outraged. Who started this money ball crap? Why don’t the Braves just play our stud minor league outfielder and first baseman and live with the results? Wouldn’t that be the best money saving method? Anybody miss Chipper being quoted all the time about him “carrying the team?”
Baba O'Riley
December 22nd, 2009
5:47 pm
if Melky is starting at a corner outfield spot, it’s not a good job. If the best we can do is Melky, it’s not a good job. With a team that is in DIRE need of offense, you don’t go out and get Melky to START!
Don Gill
December 22nd, 2009
5:47 pm
Could we trade Wren? For perhaps, the Chicago Cubs waterboy?
Nativebird
December 22nd, 2009
5:47 pm
Time for Schuerholz to go. He brought this franchise to greatness over 7-8 years, then has ushered in it’s demise over the next 11. Any baseball executive who honestly cares about wanting to win would certainly now resign in the face of this blatently transparent Salary-saving first minded Ownership. It is clearly not about winning.
Until us sucker Atlanta “oh at least it’s better than the old 70’s/80’s Braves” fans stop putting our $$ in Schuerholz pocket, it will simply continue along this path. Hope you guys are happy.
Bill James
December 22nd, 2009
5:48 pm
Great move for Libery Media and all the corporate Brave employees. Bad for the fans…as usual. Libery Media wants just enough invested to compete for the wildcard to keep attendance numbers up most of the year….. low turnout weekdays and sellouts weekends. Freeing up money….more like freeing up wins.
coach smith
December 22nd, 2009
5:48 pm
Wren was on 790 and said that there were “Definitely a couple of more moves coming and this puts them in a position to make a run at some of those bigger name right handed power bats on the market and there is some mutual interest there”
I think we may get surprised by an upcoming move or two
And he hinted that the only way LaRoche would be back is if they couldn’t get their targets
ArkyTech
December 22nd, 2009
5:49 pm
Is the rotation worse? Depends on which Vazquez we would get this year. We don’t know! Based on the 5 guys we have, he may have the worse season of them all (look at his track record!). The outfield is better, not substantially.
But is substantial payroll freed up to make more moves? Is the farm more stocked than it was before this trade?
Ken Stallings
December 22nd, 2009
5:50 pm
Absolutely spot on column, Mark! The sad truth is that Wren is either the most foolish GM in baseball history, or the ownership group has ordered him to dump payload so the Braves (a large market team) can contend for the bottom of the National League salary scale!
Cabrera’s career average stats extrapolated over a full season yeilds a .286 batting average, 10 home runs, about 68 RBI, and 68 strike outs. That means he’s not even a classic tough out hitter. He’s a punch and judy specialist who strikes out way too much to really claim such a title!
He was the most expendable outfielder on the Yankees’ roster, which is the only reason we got him. The Yankees don’t trade talent, they trade opportunities to get more talent! The Braves used to be that way before they were purchased by a corporation looking for a tax deduction!
Damn this ownership group! The Braves had a nucleus of talent capable of winning a final championship with the immortal Bobby Cox as manager. If there was ever a reason to go for broke then this was that year. Instead, the Braves dumped payroll.
I have been a Braves fan since I was a child in the mid 1970’s. But this season it’s just as well I no longer live in the metro-Atlanta area. I will not pay to watch this pathetic and disgusting ownership group’s product! Frank Wren’s actual sin is not ignorance. I think he’s smart enough to know better. His actual sin is greed, personal greed.
He’s got a nice paying job and he’s going to milk it for every personal dollar he can gather. He’ll make all the politically correct statements knowing full well they are lies, preposterous lies! He will say this deal improves the team when he knows perfectly well that he’s made two deals so far this offseason.
1. Traded the best closer on the market for a setup man of dubious quality. It was a salary-dumping move that would have been forgiveable only if it setup the Braves to trade for a big bat and put the money to lock him up for multiple years. So much for that hope! It’s just now a shocking salary dump.
2. The trade that exposes the Braves for what it is — a corporate owned entity looking for tax advantages and cares nothing about the fans or winning! The Braves have enough payroll at the ready where even if the team wanted to be middle-of-the-road in salary could afford to sign Jason Bay or Matt Holliday to a multi-year contract and then sign Adam LaRouche for a single season.
You are right, Mark Bradley, none of that will happen. The Braves will bring up a not-yet-ready Freddy Freeman to man first base. They will let LaRouche go because he’s too expensive at $5 to $6 million a year! They will never again sign a big bat because at $10 to $15 million a year they are beyond price range for this ownership group.
Chipper Jones should just retire right now! He’ll be so hopelessly isolated in this lineup that it isn’t worth the frustration he’ll face being pitched around. Same story for Brian McCann, but at least he’s young enough so perhaps Liberty Mutual will grow tired of its “tax toy” and sell the team to someone who actually gives a damn!
And frankly, my dear, I don’t give a damn about this team so long as Liberty owns it!
Coach (2011 or Bust)
December 22nd, 2009
5:51 pm
Welcome to the dark side Bradley. Well said.
I know firmly believe that the vast majority of the Braves fan base is finally starting to figure what the Orioles knew years ago….. that Frank Wren is simply incompetent.
Scott
December 22nd, 2009
5:51 pm
Wren is not screwed by other GM’s. He is screwed by the owner of the team he works for…Liberty Media is to blame for the awful trade! The Braves just need a brand new owner to be worth anything! Come on back, Ted. The Braves need you. Arthur? Atlanta Spirit? Hell, just cap all of the players and let them strike…then, the Braves won’t have to win.
Jackets2009
December 22nd, 2009
5:52 pm
We tried the Wren for waterboy trade but the Cubs wanted more.
1eyedJack
December 22nd, 2009
5:53 pm
And Cabrera managed that season in the Yanks lineup. Think he got a few pitches to hit?
PH.D
December 22nd, 2009
5:53 pm
Dear Braves Nation:
It doesn’t take a Ph.D to figure this one out. The worst trade period. I am glad that Mark Bradley
does not suck up to the Braves Organization, like Mr. College Football does to Czar Mike Silve.
Vazquez is a gamer. Had a lot of spirit.
Taking into account all my Ph. D credentials, my final judgment on this one is that it sucks ass.
Brian
December 22nd, 2009
5:54 pm
Mark, if you say that Kawakami “replaces” Vazquez’s spot in the rotation, then no, the rotation is not better without Vazquez. No one claims that. I think the outfield is a little better…Cabrera is an upgrade over Anderson (all in the defensive department), and should also still be improving. Last year was a career best year, and not just because of his home park (he was better on the road)…what’s to say he won’t continue to improve. The bullpen is also better, IMO, with Dunn over Logan, and Vizcaino is probably a top five prospect in our system now.
Not all trades are about immediately making the 25-man roster better. No one is claiming that about this trade.
Driver 8
December 22nd, 2009
5:55 pm
Wren couldn’t pimp on a troop train. What a hopeless loser. Wren has gotten worked in every trade he has made as Braves GM.
If he got MC for Soriano it would be one thing – but for your trump card?? If your trump card is held by someone who can’t play cards, you have no trump card.
What was the story with the dumping of Soriano? Was someone holding Wren’s family hostage-threatening to do them harm if he couldn’t make a deal within 24 hours of arbitration acceptance?
We are still suffering for Wren’s failures from last year. He wants to make something (anything) happen quickly. Please someone; throw Wren’s cell phone in the river. No activity would be better then this embarrassment.
Wren is showing us how he and his ego became despised in Baltimore. He is, simply put, terrible at his job.
Train Wreck Bystander
December 22nd, 2009
5:56 pm
I think most of us had resigned ourselves to losing Vazquez. But I cannot overstate how disappointed I am with what we got back.
Frank Wren is going to have to pull several rabbits out of the hat to redeem himself for this one.
Two thumbs down from southern Tennessee.
jeffrey d
December 22nd, 2009
5:56 pm
Mark – I don’t see how this is a bad trade. The Braves have 6 starters and needed to trade one. When your payroll is set at “only” $95 million (still upper half in the majors, good considering our bottom half attendance), you need to make moves like that.
It’s not like it was Vazquez for Melky straight up. We lose one year of a great pitcher and gain at least 5 years of a potentially great pitcher. Someone had to go, and Wren was able to get a piece for the future.
And we still have, oh….100 days left in the offseason. Hopefully he can still get us a big bat. But I won’t hold my breath.
fieldofdreams
December 22nd, 2009
5:57 pm
I don’t understand the despair; We were and still are pitching rich. What’s happened is that we’ve replaced Vasquez with Tim Hudson, aquired a young centerfielder who started for a champion, and added two young pitchers who apparently offer real upside. Not only that, you now have several million dollars with which to secure a bat for the middle of the lineup. My goodness, if you stick Jermaine Dye in left, and sign Adam LaRoche, this team will win the National League.
Ron Roberts
December 22nd, 2009
5:57 pm
1/ Eyeswideshut…first of all, why bring your political views into this? But…
2. When polled on it, more than 60% of Americans WANTED a “public option” health-care system; not the hobbled, maligned GOP and Conserva-Dem watered down insurance company “booster” bill.
3. I happen to think this trade will work out, in the long run; Mr. Bradley, the Braves came into the off-season with a pitching SURPLUS and a position-player DEFICIT. Now we’ve addressed an outfield depth issue AND freed up nearly $10 million to pickup a power-hitting 1B/OF.
It’s not as if the Braves didn’t TRY to deal Lowe (who by the way makes MORE money than Vasquez) or Kawakami; they just COULDN’T. So for those who say the Braves are more concerned about money, doesn’t this sort of blow that theory out of the water? They KEPT the more expensive pitcher…
Javier was GREAT last year, and I was among those who DIDN’T wanna see him traded, but I’m also aware he’s always been an up-down guy, from season-to-season and that Derek Lowe’s still a quality pitcher.
So I think it’d be wiser to write this column/blog if this were the Braves’ roster at spring training – or even better – on opening day, than, as MB pointed out, before Santa’s arrival.
Let’s see what else there is to come…
jim
December 22nd, 2009
5:58 pm
Yuck. Yuck-o. ptooey!
OMG, OMG, did someone have too much egg nog at the christmas party last night?
Jackets2009
December 22nd, 2009
5:58 pm
Wren’s bad ideas are still on the team for years. His best idea is gone.
Have fun paying Lowe’s and Karakami’s salaries. I am not going to do so myself.
Tomas
December 22nd, 2009
5:59 pm
Mark, sorry man, no offense but I’m going to rip you off on this one.
You’re not seeing the big picture. No one wanted Lowe, Vazquez has a no trade clause for teams in the West, it was either this or something much worser. Basically the only teams looking for Starting pitching with money, and not in the West were the Yankees, and Mets. What do you suppose the Mets would have offered???? Jeff Franceour and Daniel Murphy no thank you……
Just because the braves didn’t swap Vazquez for a proven superstar it’s a bad trade. They should have trade Vazquez for Ryan Braun straight up right???? Like I said they’ve been exploring a trade the whole season, and this one was the best offer they got. A lefthander with a mid 90’s fastball who has some real potential and is big league ready, and Aroldys Vizcaino Yankees # 2 rated prospect…..Awful, isn’t it, he could be the next Pedro Martinez and you’re bashing him already.
Melky won’t 20 or 30 homers, but he is a solid player who might hit 40 doubles and 15 homers playing solid defense.
Oh and it free’s up 8.5 million which they’ll use to sign a 1B. Now I’m hearing Adrian Gonzalez is a possibility, and they might use the prospects they got from the Yankees to get him. So maybe this Javy Vazquez and 3 prospects were traded for Melky Cabrera and Adrian Gonzalez now what would you say about that?
njbraves
December 22nd, 2009
5:59 pm
Anyone who defends this trade is a moron and obviously doesn’t follow baseball. This was a straight salary dump by a team that can’t spend money with the big boys. Mark, you couldn’t be any more dead on with this one. The Braves talk a good game, but when it comes down to it the don’t follow up.
Jackets2009
December 22nd, 2009
6:01 pm
There is no point at all to the sports vents. Isn’t a “don’t trade Vazquez please” at the top of the Braves vent recently.
Make that teenager GM and tell him no trades, build from within.
Mad as he11
December 22nd, 2009
6:04 pm
So what did Wren’s advertisement for Vazquez look like:
Precious commodity available.
This is the missing piece to anyone’s championship puzzle. He was fourth in the NL Cy Young voting last year without ANY run support. At $11.5 he is unquestionably the best value of the offseason and the Braves are the only team in the universe willing to trade an ace starting pitcher.
In return, we’d like an all-star outfielder with a big bat-or-a future franchise-player prospect.
Of course, if you’d rather not offer a scrap of value, we’ll gladly take Melky Cabrera or whatever other crappy player you have laying around.
JT Grace
December 22nd, 2009
6:04 pm
MB:“For those defending the trade, two questions: Is the Braves’ rotation substantially worse without Vazquez? And is the Braves outfield substantially better with Cabrera?”
Is the rotation “substantially” worse. No, it isn’t. There is NO WAY that Vazquez would have repeated his career year stats from last year. He is 33 years old and had NEVER had a season as good as last year. And I think Lowe rebounds next year to have a much better season than he had last year. Is the rotation a little worse? Yes. Substantially worse, that is a big exaggeration.
As for Cabrera, he is only a replacement for Ryan Church. Yes, as a healthy switch hitter, he is an improvement over Church. The key to the trade was likely Vizcaino, not Cabrera. The Braves will use the 9 mil to sign a hitter or two and Vizcaino deepened their farm system.
This trade was a win for both teams.
TampaGator
December 22nd, 2009
6:04 pm
The Braves, today, became what every other major league team is, the farm system of the New York Yankees, getting in line with the likes of the Kansas City Royals to sign, develop, and then trade talent to teams who can afford them. Start enjoying the right of passage to the Yankees, Braves fans. What a joke BASEBALL has become. No longer will one of my dollar bills be paid to support it.
Old Gator
December 22nd, 2009
6:04 pm
Great article. WE need to praise when we think the Braves do good and tell it like it is when they don’t. Our most dependable starter for a position player that will have to fight to start….not good.
tbhawksfan
December 22nd, 2009
6:06 pm
Same angst last off-season, then Wren brought in Lowe, KK and Vaz and the tunes changed. He’ll bring in a nice to very nice bat and Heyward will come up.
things arn’t looking so bad.
Mad as he11
December 22nd, 2009
6:06 pm
RON ROBERTS:
Good trade??
Melky Fing Cabrera?? Are you serious???? You hate the Barves, right??
Central Georgia Dawg
December 22nd, 2009
6:07 pm
We keep an unhappy Derek Lowe, and trade Vasquez, who stated he loved it here, and playing for Cox. This rivals the trade for Texiera. We have to get an owner who wants this team to win. We are a tax write off to Liberty Media. Please let an owner , whose face we can see at the game, buy this team, and give us a chance financially. We just traded our most reliable arm last year for sub par outfielder. This has been our trouble since the AOL-Time Warner deal.
Baba O'Riley
December 22nd, 2009
6:08 pm
“We’ve addressed an oufield depth issue”? We had Ryan Church. He is Melky. This was a pure and simple DUMP.
steveh
December 22nd, 2009
6:09 pm
I like Cabrera and think he will be a very good outfielder. He is young and improving. However, I still would not have made this deal. Not if you want to win next year. If the Braves are thinking 2, 3, or more years away then it is a good move. However, I think we should be going for a division title and possibly more in 2010. So, thumbs down on this one.
rfgh
December 22nd, 2009
6:09 pm
Mark, you the man! Wren ha got to go. I have no interest in buying Braves tickets to see at best a .500 team. Season over before it begins. Why make the Yankees of all teams better? Unbelievable. ESPN doesn’t even bother committing on what the Braves got, which is nothing.
Driver 8
December 22nd, 2009
6:10 pm
Mark,
This reminds me of the Kasten/Babcock era Hawks. Every year they tell us to wait for the offseason as we’d love the upgrades sure to come. They were never able to do anything of consequence either-EVER.
I despise Frank Wren!
bob
December 22nd, 2009
6:11 pm
my thinking is that the braves are now willing to eat 4 to 5 mil a year of the lowe salary and trade him to the angels for rivera…actually such is my hope…from my words to wren’s ears.
braves can start the season with four starters and take a chance with the fifth man.
drew
December 22nd, 2009
6:11 pm
They need to sale the Braves and let Frank Wren go. He has no sense of baseball at all. The was a winning team before he came now we are the bad news bears…………….
Laid off-THD
December 22nd, 2009
6:11 pm
Can someone just sell this team to Arthur Blank so they can spend some real money. I promise to buy a new drill in order to assist Arthur in raising the necessary funds to put a winner on the field.