The SEC, its refs and the conspiracy theory: No sale, I say
You make the call: Was A.J. Green separating himself? (AJC photo by Brant Sanderlin)
Lane Kiffin is upset, not that it takes much to upset Lane Kiffin. Bobby Petrino is upset, not that Bobby Petrino is ever not upset. But Dan Mullen is likewise upset, and to date we’ve had no reason to lump him with the first two.
Mike Slive is upset because the highly compensated coaches in his highly compensated league are throwing a snit fit not seen since Duke and J.J. Redick were perceived to be getting all the calls in another sport in a different highly compensated league. The growing feeling around the South is that SEC refs are doing their part — more than their part, actually — to produce another conference championship game matching the nation’s top two teams. I have one problem with this line of thinking:
Football refs aren’t clever enough to pull off a conspiracy involving one team, let alone two. And I’m not speaking just of SEC refs; I’m speaking of refs in any and every conference.
It’s a little different in basketball, where there are only three officials on the court and the coaches are yelling in their ears all game. One cowed man in a gray shirt can make a huge impact on a basketball game.
But there are seven officials on a college football field, and some of them are stationed so far from the sideline they can’t hear anybody yelling anything. Are we to believe that a crew, which gathers only on weekends and then disperses for six days, is so well drilled that it can conjure up a decisive penalty out of thin air whenever the designated team needs a lift?
Penalties are judgments made at full speed. The personal foul against Arkansas’ Malcolm Sheppard in the Florida game was indeed a poor judgment, but I have to confess: I saw the replay of the sequence on a small TV in the Vanderbilt press box with the sound off and I thought Sheppard slammed into a Gator from behind. After viewing subsequent replays (see below), I realize I was clearly in error. But I can understand how a trailing official might have thought he saw the same thing — a gratuitous knockdown as opposed to a legitimate attempt to fend off a block — I thought I did.
OK, but now you’re asking: What about the celebration penalty on A.J. Green? First of all, I’m not sure how LSU fits into the get-Florida-and-Alabama-to-Atlanta scheme, but never mind. The TV replays showed nothing untoward, as the SEC has since conceded. But esteemed colleague Brant Sanderlin shot photos of the sequence (one is above) that indicated Green might — I said might – have been trying to pull away from his teammates and thereby “call attention to himself.”
I know, I know. It’s a goofy rule and it’s inconsistently applied, but it’s still a rule. And the ref in question, back judge Michael Watson, was standing closer to Green than any TV cameraman got.
About Kiffin’s beef: He has one. Alabama’s Terrence Cody blocked what would have been the game-winning field as time expired and tore off his helmet while the ball was still loose. Should have been a penalty. But would refs in the conference that chastised its men for penalizing Green dare to assess another excessive celebration in another high-profile game?
About Mullen’s: He has one, too. The ball appeared to have been stripped from Florida’s Dustin Doe before he crossed Mississippi State’s goal line with his interception. The replay official should have righted what the field officials failed to catch. But he didn’t. In my mind, that’s the worst of all the missed calls — one that was apparent after review but left in error.
But here’s the thing: The refs didn’t hand Doe the ball in the first place; he intercepted it. The refs didn’t guide the Tennessee kick into Cody’s hand; he blocked it. Refs are reacting to situations, not creating them. Sometimes they get it wrong. Most times they get it right. And one thing more:
SEC refs are better than ACC refs any day.
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Joe
October 28th, 2009
1:15 pm
The real problem is that Gtu graduates are running the SEC officials.
What would an Alabama fan do if an Auburn grad was head of officials? How about a South Carolina if a Clemson man was head of officials? How about Florida if an FSU alum was head of officials? It is absolute lunacy to have a Gtu grad as head of SEC officials.
The guy who made the call on AJ Green went to Gtu. Al Ford was the Instant Replay official in that game.How does Al Ford have a job? Did Bobby Dodd give him a job for life for giving Gtu the game in 1999? The head of refs before Rogers Redding also went to Gtu. Is there some sort of good-ole-boy thing working here or what?
The problem that the SEC has, is that the refs are so bad that any conspiracy theory really does not sound that outlandish. SEC football is the closest thing to the NFL there is in every way, with one notable exception-the officials.
We are talking about a billion dollar business here. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out that the the refs could get a bonus from the league if an SEC team goes to the BCS game.
Why not do away with any semblance of impropriety and hire a full-time, professional force of highly trained, athletic and and highly compensated officials.
There should be no officials affiliated with any SEC school or any SEC rival school.
Saint Richt
October 28th, 2009
1:16 pm
Vince Vance arrested last night but Mark Richt says it will not affect his status for Saturday’s game. Of course it won’t! Richt is such a wuss its not even funny. Way to step up and let all your other players know that you can get arrested and still continue to play! What a role model he is.
“Just don’t let it happen again, Vince. Now get in that locker room and get ready to beat the Gators Saturday.” yep, Slap em on the Wrist Richt strikes again.
JaxDawg
October 28th, 2009
1:18 pm
Mark I’m tired of hearing all the media guys try to make everyone think that there is NO POSSIBLE way there is a fix on regarding Bama and Florida! I’m not a conspiracy theorist but let’s look at some cold hard facts and the significance of each:
1. UF and Bama are ranked 1 & 2 – them meeting in the SECC in tact means 2 things: HUGE ratings ($$$) for the game and a guarnteed spot in the NC game, possibly both teams. In a close game say one that’s won by a FG or less, how far would the team w/1 loss really drop? a day or two of the right lobbying could set up a rematch in the NC game. Don’t think it could happen look at UF/FSU 96.
2. Look at the amount of $$$$ at stake! We’ve seen what corporate big wigs are willing to do protect and hoard $$$$, you don’t think it’s POSSIBLE officiating crews are instructed particularly in close games with these two to call any and everything that they can and if it’s a close call it should favor the “protected” team.
3. Is it simply mere coincidence that the controversial calls have come against these “protected” teams?
-UGA/LSU – celebration call – sets up top 5 match up following week w/Florida
-Florida/Arkansas – several bad calls- main one the personal foul, but what about two even more signifigant ones everyone’s forgotten- the no calls against R.Cooper when he sling shoted himself to get open for his TD catch & the offensive pass interference no call when he rode the defender’s back in the endzone.
Florida/MSU- Clearly video evidence shows the ball was fumbled by D.Doe BEFORE he crossed the goal line and recovered by MSU, several chippy calls as well.
Bama/Tenn- how about when tenn is 1st and goal and all of sudden get “phantom” holding calls. Redding backs up the no call on Cody citing that it would have no affect as Bama takes over, but Tenn kicked on 3rd down not 4th! disparity in calls as well tenn 8 to bama’s 1.
Bama/SC- nothing even mentioned after he said it and sent video in, but Spurrier sent video in that shows Bama using tape to spot the ball on FG trys which is illegal.
4. Not only are the calls blatant, but they all in varrying degrees GAME CHANGING!!!
But you, Barnhart, and the rest of the media keep on selling that we’re fools for thinking there could possibly be some kind of conspiracy! After all we’re only talking about MILLIONS of dollars, I’m sure the integrity of the SEC front office is well above insuring and protecting their interest in that piece of the pie in the interest of fair play! Not to mention they have NO interest in protecting CBS & ESPNs BILLION dollar interest by insuring top team match ups and top rated games by keeping Bama & Florida undefeated.
hmmmmm, then again, maybe you and the other media talking heads are right, WHY ON EARTH would they risk a bit of weekly ridicule and scrutiny for the sake of SEVERAL MILLION $$$ how silly of ANY of us to think any kind of fix is in just to protect that kind of money over fair play and actually doing what’s right OVER money!!!
DP
October 28th, 2009
1:20 pm
Jim, is that conjecture about UT tripping the circuits and knocking out the headsets, or do you have a source for it? I haven’t seen that anywhere.
jennifer
October 28th, 2009
1:20 pm
Mark, you responded to the “kudos” comment. Aren’t you going to respond to Tide Fan’s correct recitation of the rules and correct your faulty analysis?
You said “About Kiffin’s beef: He has one. Alabama’s Terrence Cody blocked what would have been the game-winning field as time expired and tore off his helmet while the ball was still loose. Should have been a penalty.”
This is absolutely incorrect. This is not a subjective call or an expression of opinion. This is a situation that is clearly governed by the rules Tide Fan (and Slive) recited.
I think your initial publication of this false information was just a mistake, but it would be completely dishonest for you to not correct your article. It’s people like you who spread misinformation who are fanning the fires of this conspiracy theory.
Addison Steele
October 28th, 2009
1:21 pm
Mark, I may be raising something that’s already been chewed over, but the actual conspiracy theory to check is UGA’s rate of penalization since the Jax endzone dance (following the Nashville stomp). It might be worth checking the numbers when it comes to penalties-per-game since that dance, versus the penalties-per-game in the same number of games before CMR decided to show everyone he had an edge to him. If the numbers do reveal a noticeable uptick — particularly in unnecessary roughness or unsportsmanlike infractions — it still is not likely to be the product of a conspiracy. Instead, it’s probably the collective result of individual refs making calls with one thing in the back of their minds — the Dawgs and their coach not afraid to blatantly violate the rules, and need to be kept in check.
WTH
October 28th, 2009
1:22 pm
Wow, this is great. I want have to watch any comedy shows on TV tonight. This is hilarious. By the way, I think I saw a flag thrown from the grassy knoll. Why don’t you mistreated schools leave the SEC?
Mark Bradley
October 28th, 2009
1:23 pm
I did not say Tennessee should have gotten to kick again. I said Cody should have been penalized.
kurula
October 28th, 2009
1:23 pm
i haven’t heard anything about conspiracy or anything like…and i understand they are making real-time full-speed judgment calls as it happens but these men are paid to do this. it’s not just a couple of guys they round up 20 minutes before the game and say ‘call it like you see it’. they also have to know all of the rules forwards and backwards. the only complaint i have is the tendency to throw a flag on borderline calls. i say just keep the flag in the pocket on iffy calls. the reason being this: when an official flags a play, it is replayed over and over and scrutinized highly. chances are, most no calls will go unnoticed.
DP
October 28th, 2009
1:24 pm
To the conspiracy theory crackpots, could you explain the mechanics of how it would work, i.e. who initiates it, how many officials are brought into the loop, how the officials can react fast enough to make the right bad call at the right time, what happens if the officials miss an opportunity to make a bad call and the wrong team wins, how no official approached to participate in the conspiracy ever says no and talks to the press, etc.?
GWJ
October 28th, 2009
1:24 pm
The SEC has the BEST players, the BEST facilities, the MOST money, the MOST passionate fans and absolute WORST officials in the country! Sadly, this has been the case for the last several years.
BAMAGator
October 28th, 2009
1:25 pm
Wow, this is great. I want have to watch any comedy on TV tonight. This is hilarious. By the way, I think I saw a flag thrown from the grassy knoll. Why don’t you mistreated SEC schools leave the conference and form your own conference?
SEC powerhouse
October 28th, 2009
1:26 pm
Let’s see, just an observation, Florida has Troy, Charleston Souther and FIU on their schedule…Bama has FIU, North Texas and Chattanooga…you call this national caliber teams that truly deserve number 1 and 2 rankings? Con artist needs to play somebody before I would give them that respect.
jennifer
October 28th, 2009
1:27 pm
You’re saying they should have called a penalty after the game was over? It’s not as though there were another play forthcoming on which it could be assessed. I think you’re playing with semantics to avoid answering for a misleading article.
DP
October 28th, 2009
1:30 pm
Mark, you said Kiffin has a legitimate beef. Why? Is there some sense of satisfaction in watching an official throw a flag and then pick it up to explain why it won’t be enforced because the game is over? Kiffin complained because he said Alabama would have been penalized 15 yards and Tennessee would have had another play to try the field goal again.
Yellow=Pee
October 28th, 2009
1:31 pm
It’s easy DP. Call more penalties on one team rather than the other. i.e. Tennessee Bama
FBI
October 28th, 2009
1:32 pm
The reason why nobody in the media wants to admit to cheating officials because it could totally destroy the image of sports in this country. Lots of money is on the line in all of these leagues and you have to be pretty ignorant to think that officials have never tried to fix the outcome of games. We are supposed to believe that Tim Donaghy (the NBA referee that got arrested for fixing games) was acting alone. They act like the public is so stupid. Donaghy said it was going on with other referees throughout the league. The SEC is walking on a slippery slope and they need to do a better job of disguising their true agenda.
TD
October 28th, 2009
1:35 pm
Bad calls? yes. Conspiracy Theory? No. Let’s see. There are approximately 6 officials on the field for each game. The GA-LSU and FL-ARK crew was suspended. We know that the FL-MS ST crew was different than the AL-UT crew. Who knows who the crews were for the other games that you all are crying about? I understand that there is a lot of money in football and the SEC would financially benefit from a UF-AL championship game but if you actually believe that the SEC told at least 18 guys to favor these two teams your an idiot. The official who outed this scheme (even if it was subtly implied) could write a book and make millions.
Bill
October 28th, 2009
1:37 pm
” I finally did listen to the Roger Redding on Finebaum audio and was struck by his comment about the follow on call on LSU after the AJ Green call….. which he stated was probably worse. “Do I believe that flag would have been thrown if the first one had not? No.”
Those are his words, not mine. And those words clearly explained to me that even at the highest level of collegiate football officials are allowed to have “make up calls”? Sure he was dancing around his words but what was so troubling to me was the official word out of the SEC was the call against LSU was “justified” (along with the call on Orson Charles). So the make up call which Redding said was worse was justified? Ooooooooo Kkkkkkkkk…. you just made the official SEC explanation look like page 4 from The Book of Lies.
The other comment I found troubling was Redding, a GT grad, in explaining the bad call against AJ Green (his words) went on to “remind” Finebaum’s audience what happened after both penalties and further suggest had UGA taken care of business “we wouldn’t be talking about (the AJ Green call)”. Oh really, so if UGA had won the bad call wouldn’t be important? If I had the ability I would love to tell Mr Redding that the limit of the referees’ opinion needs to be the flags thrown or lack thereof, not subtle slights at one of the playing teams that perhaps suggests a hint of move the blame rationalization, the SODDIT (some other dude did it) defense. I would remind Roger he was on the Finebaum show because the call was so ridiculous and arguably MIGHT have cost a SEC team a win, not to provide self serving commentary on the game itself. ” Roe Dawg
Pi$$onaDawg
October 28th, 2009
1:38 pm
V. VANCE can’t you get a driver license? STUPID DAWG brakes the law a few days before the Gator game. HAHAHAHAH. CMR it will be handled internally. Of course he will play it is UGA/ Clarke County Jail vs the Gators. Marke grow a PAIR. Fire BOBO, Willie, and Kick players of the team. Vince get out of the Rose garden and voice your discust with the State of UGA FOOTBALL.
Other Bulldog
October 28th, 2009
1:38 pm
Watch the replay of the Dustin Doe non-TD against Ms State. The only way that is not overturned is by sheer incompetence or fraud. Take your pick, the is no way to justify the call.
Having said that, it’s not about whether that game changed the outcome etc… Coach Mullen had to run 30 yards onto the field and nearly tackle the Ref to force them to even review the call. They did not even want to review it! Add that to the seriously blown call against Houston (a top 25 team) that was never even reviewed. Or how about the refs not reviewing Anthony Dixon’s 2nd down run at the end of the LSU game. Coach Mullen was right, why have it if your either not going to use it or seemingly can’t see what is plain as day in the review.
Everyone who watched the UF-MSU game knows that Doe had the ball stripped, for Rogers Redding to adamantly state that the review call was correct makes folks think there is a conspiracy. Especially when it happened the week after the phantom calls against Arkansas. Why would you not be suspicious?
wmatlanta
October 28th, 2009
1:40 pm
I agree with BugKiller.
Not only does Tebow not get called for excessive celebration, he’s also immune to personal fouls.
He stiff armed the Miss. State defender in the face mask on his TD run in a picture shown round the nation, but didn’t get called for it. It should have negated the TD with a 15-yard penalty from the spot of the foul.
Tide Fan
October 28th, 2009
1:40 pm
Bama also has Virginia Tech on the schedule, who would likely kick the crap out of Okie St. Additionally, they gave up 33 total points in five consecutive SEC games (UK, Arky, Miss, SC, UT). How many did Arky put up on UGA again? More than 33 in just ONE game? That’s what I thought.
TD
October 28th, 2009
1:41 pm
And to the best of my knowledge Donaghy (NBA ref) fixed a variety of games not just for one team. Attention is the last thing that the mob wants. By the way, if the mob paid off the refs in the last couple of Florida and Alabama games, you may find those refs in concrete as they haven’t come close to beating the spread.
gator gator
October 28th, 2009
1:42 pm
GET A LIFE PEOPLE!!!
If UGA is getting screwed so bad then just make a statement WIN.
Or can they?
Or do they really want to – sounds like the UGA fans would rather lie in self pity.
Jason
October 28th, 2009
1:48 pm
Actually, Mark according to Tony Barnhart and the SEC you’re wrong on the following point…
You said: “About Kiffin’s beef: He has one. Alabama’s Terrence Cody blocked what would have been the game-winning field as time expired and tore off his helmet while the ball was still loose. Should have been a penalty. But would refs in the conference that chastised its men for penalizing Green dare to assess another excessive celebration in another high-profile game?”
Tony’s article from yesterday: “The other call came at the end of the Tennessee-Alabama game. Alabama’s Terrence Cody blocked a Tennessee field goal as time expired and in the wild celebration that followed the big guy took off his helmet. Gary Danielson, who covered the game for CBS, wondered if it should have been an unsportsmanlike violation because it happened while the ball was still live. Kiffin was convinced that it was and said publicly that the refs had missed it.
Well, the refs didn’t miss it. The way the rule is written, even if a penalty had been called (which it shouldn’t be in that situation), it would have been marked off on the next play and not the previous play. The ball belonged to Alabama after the blocked kick.
“That’s a case where the rule is pretty clear,” said Redding. “Even if there had been time left on the clock, the ball would have belonged to Alabama. And if a penalty had been called, it would still be Alabama’s ball after the penalty was enforced.”’
Look at that the AJC is about as consistent as our (UGA) defense has been this year.
Intergalatic Hitchhiker
October 28th, 2009
1:48 pm
MB:
So, on YOUR planet,
Stock Markets can be “rigged”
Elections can be “rigged”
MLB can be “rigged” (Anyone else remember the Chicago “Black Sox”)
NBA can be “rigged” (Didnt a ref just go to prison for this)
etc.
etc.
Everyhting, but College Football, especially SEC football…with tens or even hundreds of millions of dollars involved…
And you dont think efforts (by one or more) cant be made to “fix”
a game, or dictate the outcome of a game or games???
So, MB, just exactly how long have you lived on this…PLANET??
However long, it aint been long enough. How naive.
One tin soldier rides away
October 28th, 2009
1:50 pm
The call on Mt Cody would have been after the game was over and would not have resulted in an additonal attempt.
The call on MSU made a difference in the game
The call on Arkansas made a difference in the game
The call on AJ Green made a dfifference in a game.
That is why they were suspended.
After watching the Rogers Redding on Tony Barnhardts show, It is apparent why the SEC ref’s are under such fire. If you want to see incompetence, just keep watching the SEC refs.
My father now deceased was an SEC ref, and thye had one rule back then that should go into play now. Unless it is pesonal foul, and it is not in the play and does not affect the play, don’t call it. Maybe we should go towards that now.
The SEC refs’ have lowered themselves to below big East refs. If a replay official can’t turn over an obvious replay call, then there is a problem, and there is something to this”conspiracy”. It has seemed obvious for years to most of us, and at least for four years one player has gotten away with excessive celebrations, and I’m sure he will again on Saturday.
GeoffDawg
October 28th, 2009
1:52 pm
Pisser – you think kicking someone off the team for a misdemeanor traffic violation is more appropriate than say, running stadium steps?
Nate
October 28th, 2009
1:53 pm
Saint Richt,
Did I miss something…was Vince Vance wielding a fire arm or abusing his girlfriend? No…he had a suspended license. Get real, in Knoxville Eric Barry could drive a Bull Dozzer down main street without a license anywhere on him and the local law enforcement would be blocking off intersections for him.
This whole thing is a joke, and it only happens in Athens.
SEC powerhouse
October 28th, 2009
1:53 pm
hey tide fan, good for you bama played va tech, how bout scheduling 3 more div 1 games outside the conference..I’m not a fan of any SEC team but I’m stating the obvious..and the only reason you played VT by the way is that the Kickoff Classic committee invited you, no one from Bama called VT I promise you that
ugaaccountant
October 28th, 2009
1:54 pm
Why would you expect Vince to be suspended from the game? He ran a red light, so what? Would you be suspended or fired from your job for that?
Area 51
October 28th, 2009
1:55 pm
Okay if there is no conspiracy then why is the SEC CG referred to as “The Race to Witch Mountain” at the home office with a gator and an elephant pinned to the bulletin board.
volsgo30
October 28th, 2009
1:59 pm
I wear no tin foil hat, therefore I do not believe the conspiracy theory stated. Bama won fair and square and I am proud of my Vols for giving Bama hell right to the end. With a depleted, less talented roster, I think they did quite well for themselves.
One question: Could we start a fundraiser so that Bama could afford a groundskeeper or at least some green paint? Your field looked like an overused urban high school football field. You are Division IA, right?
m
October 28th, 2009
2:00 pm
Acc officials are way worse than sec officials. The difference is that ACC officials are just inept and usually inept for everybody. The sec officials are also inept but they are biased…especially if it is a non-conference game.
If the sec officials, who will call the ugag/TECH game….if they made all the same bad calls that they made against uga (in the lsu game) and all the same bad calls that they made against arkansas and miss st (in the florida games)…if they made all of the against TECH in the ugag game…is there anyone that thinks the sec would suspend them??????
Heck no…the sec is such a crybaby league with such crybaby fans that they try to appease them by suspending the officials.
There are just as many bad calls in any other league than there are in the sec but the sec is just a bunch of crybabies.
Bottom line…the sec officials and the sec teams and the sec fans are PATHETIC.
PDawg
October 28th, 2009
2:01 pm
Does anybody on our football team have a valid drivers license?
Jefferson
October 28th, 2009
2:01 pm
At least UT are good losers, UGA are bad losers.
RAMBLE ON!!!
October 28th, 2009
2:02 pm
Mark thank you for being the only voice of reason on this Newspaper.
Ted Striker
October 28th, 2009
2:07 pm
No conspiracy by SEC refs although it’s possible an individual ref or ump can have bias, one way or the other. It’s just human nature.
John
October 28th, 2009
2:09 pm
Mark,
You fail to mention that Alabama recovered the ball, so even if a flag is thrown, it only moves Alabama back 15 yards and there was not even any time for another play. Also, I believe that the ball crossed the line of scrimmage, so Tennessee cannot advance the ball. Also, there are pictures that show that Cody had his helmet on when the clock hit zero.
Nate
October 28th, 2009
2:11 pm
TD,
I don’t want to waste too much time humoring you, but I do find it quite ironic that while you were questioning the intelligence of others you wrote “your an idiot”. Wow that’s good stuff…I think you were looking for “you’re an idiot”. Hahaha, you can’t make this stuff up.
Second, why is 18 the magic number of people willing to collude together to do something outrageous. How many people were in on the Enron scandal? Or the Black Sox scandal?…”Eight Men Out” makes me think it must have been 8… But that’s still a far cry from 18, right? Anyone remember Hale-Bop comet and the Heaven’s Gate Cult? 39 people were all persuaded to kill themselves or be vaporized by the comet.
I know I am going to an extreme to make a point…but if 39 people cam be convinced to do something like that, why is it so hard to believe that 18 people couldn’t be persuaded with money to make one or two bad calls or look the other way?
…Just sayin.
Steve
October 28th, 2009
2:11 pm
Mark, you pick UGA to lose Saturday, which I agree with. However, does Florida cover the 16 1/2 point spread or does UGA keep it close?
RAMBLE ON!!!
October 28th, 2009
2:11 pm
Mark I bet Tony Barnhart just took you off his xmas card list.
robert
October 28th, 2009
2:12 pm
Enter your comments here
Mark,
Your response to Jennifer would make Bill Clinton proud. Can’t you man-up and admit you were wrong??
Mike Sleeze
October 28th, 2009
2:13 pm
Ya’ll quit talking about my officials…they call ‘em like they were told to see ‘em. Ya’ll have to realize that it’s not the game, nor sportsmanship, nor even about school spirit. It’s all about the money, and guess why we have those huge TV contracts? Ratings…top 1 and 2 teams in the polls attract viewers like flies to honey. You don’t hear any gripes about officiating when UGA, Ark, Miss State, Tenn, et al, cash those SEC checks.
Delbert D.
October 28th, 2009
2:13 pm
Incompetent conpirators! In the LSU-Georgia game those boobs waited to call a game-winning penalty (for themselves) that resulted in a kickoff from the 15 yard line? That’s cutting it a bit close, don’t you think? There would have been a mob shootout in the refs’ motel rooms after the game.
PTC DAWG
October 28th, 2009
2:14 pm
I just can’t quit laughing at some of these comments.
timthebrave
October 28th, 2009
2:15 pm
If you run a red light in athens you get arrested. You get a ticket anywhere else. You get arrested for possession of alcohol by minor in athens. You get your parents called or a ticket anywhere else. The Athens police(in general) are the worse I have ever seen anywhere in the US. There are some that are good guys just trying to do their jobs, but the majority are looking to arrest you for anything
Tom
October 28th, 2009
2:15 pm
I wonder if FSU fans ever gripe about the head of SEC officiating being a UF grad?
And no, Joe, the back judge who threw the flag on AJ Green is not a Tech grad. The umpire who threw the PF flag on Arkansas is, however.
Joe
October 28th, 2009
2:15 pm
The big problem, if there is no conspiracy going on, is that the refs are absolutely incompetent.
Which is worse?