Who’s less defensive: UGA’s Martinez or Tech’s Wommack?

Tech defensive coordinator Dave Wommack: Whistling past the graveyard? (AJC photo by Johnny Crawford)

Tech's Dave Wommack: Whistling past the graveyard? (AJC photo by Johnny Crawford)

For long moments Saturday night in Tallahassee, it was possible to believe Willie Martinez isn’t the lesser of the two Division I-A defensive coordinators in Georgia. True, the men of Martinez had yielded 45 points and 472 yards in Knoxville that very afternoon in Knoxville, but the non-work of Dave Wommack’s Georgia Tech D was threatening to set records. (And not the good kind.)

Florida State in the first half against Tech: Five possessions, five touchdowns, 35 points, 403 yards, eight-for-eight on third down. Match that, Willie!

True, Tech played better in the second half: Only nine points and 136 yards yielded. And Tech did win 49-44, which beats the heck out of losing 45-19, which is what Georgia did against Tennessee. But still, a check of the numbers almost makes you long for the golden days of defensive excellence under Kevin Ramsey and Ted Roof.

  • Total defense: UGA is 75th nationally and 11th in the SEC; Tech is 82nd nationally and 10th in the ACC.
  • Scoring defense: UGA is 100th nationally and 12th in the SEC; Tech is 77th nationally and ninth in the ACC.
  • Rushing defense: UGA is 53rd nationally and fourth in the SEC; Tech is 64th nationally and eighth in the ACC.
  • Pass efficiency defense: UGA is 92nd nationally and 11th in the SEC; Tech is 108th nationally and 11th in the ACC.

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And there you have it: Tech is worse than Georgia in three of the four major defensive categories, and you’d have to concede that the Bulldogs have played a much tougher schedule. (Three of Georgia’s six opponents are ranked; only one of Tech’s six is.) So I guess what I’m saying is this:

Only is this state would let-receivers-run-free Willie look good by comparison.

And I’m also saying this: Tech and Georgia meet on Nov. 28. Bet the over.

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martinez-sucks

October 14th, 2009
12:12 pm

Wommack made adjustments at halftime and tech won the game. End of Discussion.

Jackets2009

October 14th, 2009
12:18 pm

Wommack made adjustments?
I’d like to believe that too and also in Santa Claus.

Jackets2009

October 14th, 2009
12:21 pm

In the second half, we finally blitzed.
We should have been blitzing from day one knowing we had lost 3 good D linemen.
The two point play failed because of an all out blitz that rushed the pass.
Ponder may have been taken by surprise too.

Dawgnshock

October 14th, 2009
12:21 pm

So True but Tech scored the most points. Maybe that tells us not only does our defense is bad but our offense is worst.

RAMBLE ON!!!

October 14th, 2009
12:21 pm

These statistics are all wrong. GT is the best team in college football!!!

Jackets2009

October 14th, 2009
12:23 pm

Well I finally made it to Mark’s blog on time.
I think the home field will help more than anything but in addition to D, we also have to worry about a mismatch of special teams coaches.
Has anyone ever studied VT to see what they do to block so many punts and FGs?

firemarkricht.net

October 14th, 2009
12:23 pm

That’s awesome! What would be even funnier to watch than their coaching schemes would be to watch Martinez and Wommack actually suit up and play D!

JP dwags fan

October 14th, 2009
12:25 pm

Willie has more blue chippers on D. Its talent that makes our D better than tech!

RDM

October 14th, 2009
12:27 pm

It’s comical how much smack the GT nerd nation has been talking this year when GT has yet to beat anyone good. They have just barely beaten some bad teams and got smoked against the only good team they played. Let’s see how they do against VT.

Jackets2009

October 14th, 2009
12:28 pm

I think home field, a lot of heart in Tech’s team and maybe Wommack got a clue against FSU give the Jackets a shot at an upset.

the real Old Gold

October 14th, 2009
12:29 pm

I think Georgia fans are rightly upset more so because Martinez has an undeniable talent pool to work with while Wommack is working with young talent during a defensive rebuilding season. Also, Georgia has seen this trend during the past 2 seasons and it looks to not be getting any better. This is just what I pick up from facebook rants and water cooler talk etc…

p.s. Also, there is less speculation around Wommack because he would be fired more easily since he never shared a room with Paul Johnson in college. Never hire friends or family.

Jackets2009

October 14th, 2009
12:31 pm

Hey we’re just happy.
Behave yourselves Dawg fans and I won’t point out Mark got out-coached by 1st year novice Lame Kitten.
Never would have believed that before the start of the season.

Army Vet

October 14th, 2009
12:32 pm

RDM……as a UGA grad, it’s comical how much whining and smack the UGA fans can talk.

Jackets2009

October 14th, 2009
12:35 pm

Thanks Army vet. You noticed that too.
Any Uga grad who tries to talk them out of firing everyone immediately can expect insults from the know it alls.

reasonable

October 14th, 2009
12:37 pm

Actually both are plenty bad but I have to say WM is worse because the talent level he has is better than GT. Also, given GT’s unique offense, its hard for GT defense to really practice against more traditional offenses. UGA really does not have this excuse, for example, in the Tennessee game. Another point is that we have an extended body of progressively worse defense under WM. The GT coordinator, by contrast, has only two years. One caution from a lifelong UGA fan to the folks at GT, however, continued bad defensive performances will not only end up costing you games that will drive you crazy. If the GT defensive coordinator stays too long without improvement, it will also drag your program down as the Head Coach fails to take the obvious action to replace him . Your $64 Thousand question is is PJ different in this regard from MR or will he follow in his footsteps and keep a non-performer around too long and bring on a crisis in his program?

Jackets2009

October 14th, 2009
12:38 pm

A new book on Korea – the war we refuse to study and learn from – by David Halberstam is a great read by the way. Found a veteran of the first battle where we learned to fight the Chinese who had been waiting 50 plus years to tell his story toward the end of book.
Post meant for Army Vet only.

Glenn

October 14th, 2009
12:38 pm

The difference? At least Dave Wommack TRIED to do something different to stop the bleeding Saturday and helped his team win. It may not have been pretty, but at least it helped. He’s also taking some responsibility for what’s going wrong and trying to make more adjustments rather than sitting on his hands and doing nothing. At least HE’s trying to fix HIS problem. That makes Martinez less defensive if you ask me.

Willie Martinez

October 14th, 2009
12:38 pm

Taught Dave W everything he knows!

old gold engineer

October 14th, 2009
12:39 pm

But how do the opposing offenses rank? I was very impressed with the Miami, Mississippi State, and Florida State offenses, and Clemson had some playmakers. Not sure if they looked so impressive because of GT’s defense or if they really are that potent.

M is a moron

October 14th, 2009
12:39 pm

I agree – if there is chanting for Slick Willie to go, the same should be said for Wommack. His defeneses are absolutely pathetic against mediocre teams. Wommack’s D better put up a good show the rest of the year or he needs to get canned. I also agree it is far more likely for CPJ to make a coaching change than CMR.

Heath

October 14th, 2009
12:39 pm

As a fellow Army Vet, it’s comical how many fellow army vets take every opportunity to let you know they are Army vets. Want a cookie, soldier?

Jackets2009

October 14th, 2009
12:40 pm

We think he’ll be fired by the end of year if no improvement but the home field may be partly behind any improvement.

Willie Martinez

October 14th, 2009
12:40 pm

I taught Dave W everything he knows!

Techies irrelevant

October 14th, 2009
12:41 pm

To show you how important Georgia Tech football is, I am a huge college football fan living in Georgia and had no idea who Tech’s defensive coordinator was.

Ed

October 14th, 2009
12:41 pm

OK, so there may actually be a worse defensive coach than WM out there, maybe even in the same state. He still needs to go. Since when did we accept Tech’s standards?

McDawg

October 14th, 2009
12:42 pm

Hello–smack is all fans can do since they don’t play the game

Heath

October 14th, 2009
12:43 pm

Right Said Ed.

Just because Tech’s D sucks worse than ours, doesn’t mean we should consider that an accomplishment. We play real teams, Bradley, our D needs to be much, much better than Tech’s.

PMC

October 14th, 2009
12:45 pm

Tech is rebuilding on defense. Martinez got a huge piece back in Jeff Owens.

Obviously they already changed up the defensive scheme at Tech so they are trying to work things out… but come on. They lost what 3 or 4 NFL players off that defensive front? Tech is rebuilding big time on defense. They weren’t going to be a great defensive team this year even though Tarrant is a massive upgrade and they still have Burnett. Derrick Morgan is a beast, but other than that they are lacking. Too early to blame Wommack.

Outside of Mark Richt no one has ever been happy with what Martinez has gotten out of his defense. Martinez was a bad hire from the jump.

BugKiller

October 14th, 2009
12:48 pm

Sorry, Mark, and stop me if you’ve heard his before, but you’re WRONG!!!

Martinez has the benefit of better talent, but has done far less with it.

He coaches supreme talent down.

EVERY YEAR under him, the Dawgs have given up more yards per game and more points per game.

Under Martinez, the Dawgs have given up 30 and 40 point games at a HISTORIC clip.

Let’s be honest, even with Blitzin’ Tenuta, the Bug defense was never great, so this new guy had less talent to work with and less to fall.

Under BVG, the Dawg defense was a top 10 defense in the NATION.

BVG was a Broyles Award Winner.

Martinez has taken filet minon and has made ground chuck out of it.

He is easily the worst DC in the HISTORY of Georgia Football.

THAT makes him the worst in the state.

Jackets2009

October 14th, 2009
12:48 pm

Maybe vets would like some appreciation for serving.
Most Americans just give lip service to supporting the military.
They have no idea of the sacrifice made especially in wars.
I’m reading up on Korea and Vietnam Wars.
The books I check out or always there waiting at the library if I want to check on something.

PMC

October 14th, 2009
12:48 pm

Outside of maybe 3 or 4 players in other words… no one on Tech’s defense would start anywhere else.

Jackets2009

October 14th, 2009
12:51 pm

Hey Dawg fans. The Tennessee blog awaits you at the Nashville or Knoxville papers. That won’t be much fun, will it now that Lame Kitten is your daddy

Army Vet

October 14th, 2009
12:52 pm

Heath…I apologize…I didn’t know I was supposed to clear my name/comments with you first.

Jackets2009

October 14th, 2009
12:53 pm

I agree WM is a very bad coordinator who deserves to be fired but doesn’t it get old saying that a hundred times a day.

Wolfman

October 14th, 2009
12:53 pm

Given that UGA has top 10 recruiting classes every year, UGA is terribly underperforming. You have to give Johnson and his coaches a few years to get the players for their system. Then you can judge! Tech still has a VERY young team.

BLUNL

October 14th, 2009
12:54 pm

In the 2nd half of the GT/FSU game, GT didn’t have to play catch-up. Ball-control was the O-strategy. That helped the D more than any of the coordinator’s wizardry. Our defense is horrific. We would be much better on D if we could just make the QB move his feet a bit.

buzz is wiser

October 14th, 2009
12:54 pm

Both are bad…I don’t know how long Martinez has been at UGA but Wommack was having serious defensive woes before they came to the flats.

wiley

October 14th, 2009
12:56 pm

FSU has a good offense….UT doesn’t. Martinez has numerous blue chip recruits on the defense….Wommack has two or three….is this really a question. GT has played way better offensive teams in MSU, and FSU. UGA has played LSU, AZ State, a UT offense that was anemic, and OK state who has failed to score points like they did last year. Lets compare numbers at the end of the year…Im willing to bet Tech has better numbers on offense and defense. Win the game…thats all that matters!

Jackets2009

October 14th, 2009
12:57 pm

I think what really gets Uga fans is Tech has the grit Uga’s teams used to have.
Also last year was as good a chance as they’ll get for a NC.
They realize it but CMR doesn’t.

Heath

October 14th, 2009
12:57 pm

Army Vet, if you’re going to ridicule others for their indulgences, you should be able to take some ribbing yourself. I take it you didn’t go through bqack when the Army was the real army. They’d have beaten that over sensitivity out of you.

Heath

October 14th, 2009
12:59 pm

And another thing, trying to get Tech fans to pat you on the head by jumping on Georgia fans is just pathetic. I take it you were a 70 series MOS?

Mark Bradley

October 14th, 2009
1:01 pm

I’d agree that Martinez probably has better talent overall. But Derrick Morgan and Morgan Burnett are big-timers.

Gordon

October 14th, 2009
1:01 pm

The interesting question isn’t who is worse. They are both bad. It is what are the head coaches going to do about it and when. We know the answer with Richt (do nothing unless forced to). What will CPJ do and when? He doesn’t strike me as someone who would put up with this very long, but only the other hand George O’Leary seemed to have endless patience with Ted Roof 10 years ago.

Jackets2009

October 14th, 2009
1:01 pm

Bobby Bowden and Mark Richt both have the same problem.
They’ve spoiled their fans and now those fan bases can no longer accept off years.
Kinda funny FSU, bully of the ACC, now 0-3 in conference play.

BIGBOY

October 14th, 2009
1:01 pm

GA/TECH score will be 51-48

Mark Bradley

October 14th, 2009
1:02 pm

Wasn’t 51-48 the final in the Jasper Sanks game?

Bryan G.

October 14th, 2009
1:03 pm

The difference is that Tech fans aren’t worried because they know that Paul Johnson will, at the end of the year, do what he can to fix his team.

Us UGA folks aren’t as confident that CMR has the stones to do what needs to be done.

Cuz

October 14th, 2009
1:03 pm

As a non-Army vet, I appreciate all veterans of the Armed Services.

GO AMERICANS!!!!!!

Jackets2009

October 14th, 2009
1:04 pm

Mark, Tech hasn’t blitzed much have we?
The 2 point after touch blitz seems almost like the first all out blitz of the year.

Mark Bradley

October 14th, 2009
1:05 pm

I didn’t notice GT blitzing much in Tallahassee. I didn’t notice GT covering any receivers, either.