Bobby or Joe: Which Cox has had the rougher month?

Bobby Cox after ejection No. 150. (AJC photo by Curtis Compton)

Bobby Cox incurring ejection No. 150. (AJC photo by Curtis Compton)

In the month of September — only in its 11th day, I remind you — two men who share a last name have become the go-to-and-dump-on guys on this dumb little blog. And it’s a hairline call as to which Cox has had it tougher. Before I render judgment on this burning issue, let’s consider the cases:

Bobby Cox: Has seen his Braves lose six of their past eight games to fall from three games behind wild card leader Colorado to an out-of-it 8 1/2 games behind. (The Braves are actually a half-game closer to NL East leader Philadelphia than to the Rockies, not that it will do much good.) Has seen them swept at home by sub-.500 Cincinnati on a weekend when the Reds mustered 10 runs in 30 innings but still more than doubled the Braves’ output.

Has gotten ejected for the 150th time in his career, which means he has been tossed from nearly a full season’s worth of games. Has seen his redeployed starter, Kenshin Kawakami, yield the winning run in extra innings when he beaned the opposing pitcher with the bases loaded. Has seen eight shutout innings by Tommy Hanson wasted in Houston when closer Rafael Soriano was touched for two runs while recording one out. Has gotten hammered in this space, first here and then here.

Joe Cox warms up in Stillwater. (Bill Waugh photo for the AJC)

Joe Cox in Stillwater. (Bill Waugh for the AJC)

Joe Cox: Has seen his patience rewarded not by sudden success but by illness, defeat and a public outcry. Has contracted the flu and played against Oklahoma State in a weakened condition, and played not all that well. Has presided over Georgia’s first season-opening loss since 1996. Has apparently heard the same fans who were lauding his leadership and his passing accuracy in August lamenting his lack of both in September.

Which Cox has had it worse?

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Has incited a portion of the electorate by saying he cares nothing for critics. Has inadvertently been the source of an Internet furor when it was reported (erroneously) that Logan Gray would start against South Carolina on Saturday for the apparently sore-shouldered Cox, and clearly some members of his constituency were displeased when they learned the incumbent was still the incumbent.

Who has had it worse? The Bobby-must-go lobby has risen to defeaning status this week, which marks a change from the usual constant roar. You’d think the guy had never managed a winning club, let alone a first-place finisher. (At last check, he’d done that 15 times, more than any manager in history.)

But the decision goes to the younger man. Bobby Cox gets paid upwards of $3 million to take the heat. Joe Cox is an amateur and gets paid only in tuition, books, room, board and incidentals. He has had it much worse, and I feel sorry for him.

Which leads us to … our next post, which will address the topic: Has college football become such a big business as to have squeezed out the last measure of sentimentality?

117 comments Add your comment

uga_b

September 11th, 2009
10:28 am

Bobby has had the worse few years. So far Joe has had one bad game.

robodawg

September 11th, 2009
10:34 am

Public outcry against Joe Cox is a little exaggerated isn’t it? He’ll be fine. It’s normal for a vocal group of fans to want the next guy in line to take over at QB if things don’t look so good — James what’s his name to be replaced by Wayne Johnson to be replaced by Greg Talley to be replaced by Eric Zeier. But most Bulldog fans are just pulling for Joe to get better and are hoping the flu explains his performance in Saturday’s game. (Which wasn’t great, but that’s not why we lost — we had at least 3 key dropped passes, one of which led to an interception, we couldn’t handle at least three Ok St interceptions, we fumbled twice, and with a useless block in the back we annulled a great punt return that would have likely led to a TD — give us half of those back and we probably win, even with the bad 4th down spot and the bogus unnecessary roughness. We lost b/c as a team we weren’t sharp. We lost b/c we played like freshmen.).

The Lone Trumpeter

September 11th, 2009
10:47 am

No excues. Execute, run the ball, catch the ball, play good defense. Do that and we roll. Fail and it will be the usual close game.

Nick

September 11th, 2009
10:47 am

Cox has had it worst, hands down.

Don

September 11th, 2009
10:57 am

Some of the things that Bobby Cox does (or does not do) are so absurd that you have to wonder if he is the ONLY person who would do this.
HOW ABOUT we start a list with the preface:
IS BOBBY COX THE ONLY PERSON WHO WOULD —
I will start it off with a couple.

Don

September 11th, 2009
10:59 am

Is Bobby Cox the only person who would have left Chipper in the 3rd spot in the order throughout his prolonged slump????

Don

September 11th, 2009
11:00 am

Is Bobby Cox the only person who would have delayed putting Prado in the lineup for months after it was obvious to everyone else??

Don

September 11th, 2009
11:01 am

Is Bobby Cox the only person who would have continued to use and use a couple of relief pitchers who were terrible during the first half of the season??

washedup

September 11th, 2009
11:02 am

Way to take a stand there, Nick. Seriously, Bobby has taken the bigger hit just because his decisions lately have diminished his stature as a manager in so many peoples’ eyes.

we had a great gameplan, but failed to execute.

September 11th, 2009
11:02 am

at least joe cox always has a great gameplan behind him.

Don

September 11th, 2009
11:03 am

Is Bobby Cox the only person who year after year would fail to teach/emphasze/demand the absolute essentil of working and count and being selective – to his hitters

Henry D.

September 11th, 2009
11:09 am

Sorry, Bobby wine hands down. Joe had one bad game (to this point) and should be given one more week to improve.

Bobby on the other hand, has made bonehead decisions and moved all year. His stubborness in dealing with theJohnson fiasco at second base, and his continuing to run Jordan Schafer out every day when the kid plainly wasn’t ready is assinine. And now refusing to move Chipper down in the lineup until he gets his swing back and what is up with our best hitter at the moment Laroache hitting 7th and 8th?

ronald

September 11th, 2009
11:19 am

Which Joe had it worst? That depends on what you mean. Bobby Cox knows success. This year must really be wearing on him.

Joe Cox is just not that good. I can promise you that other SEC teams are not living in fear of Joe Cox and beating Georgia this year will not be considered an upset for most teams in that league. I’d have to say that Joe Cox has to have it worse.

Saint Simons

September 11th, 2009
11:21 am

24 – 10 !!!!!!!!!!!!!! hahahahahahahahahahahaha

GeezusDawg

September 11th, 2009
11:23 am

Yeah, but Ok State had about 5 potential interceptions that they dropped which would have amounted to a blowout win. We lost and Cox underperformed. He is short and slow – I don’t think the flu affected his ability to be 6′3″ or 6′4″.

WilliamG

September 11th, 2009
11:27 am

No contest here. I’d much rather be the sure-thing Hall of Fame manager with unquestioned talent (whether it has faded or not may be open to debate but you’d have to be fairly baseball stupid to think he was a no-talent guy) rather than the talent-challenged quarterback. I say all that but sheepishly add that I suspect Joe Cox is a fine young man who gives the Dawgs everything he has. The problem may be just that – he’s giving everything he has and it’s not enough.

Herschel Talker

September 11th, 2009
11:29 am

MB – there is no debate. Joe was terrible (that is being kind), but it was only one game . Booby has been terrible for years. What’s scary is that you’re just catching on.

You know you want to say it: Booby must go!!!

Ted Striker

September 11th, 2009
11:39 am

College football has not only squeezed out sentimentality but it’s also eliminated common courtesy and civility — between fans of the same team.

Have a good weekend everyone.

DavidPandGA

September 11th, 2009
11:39 am

Joe Cox has it tougher no doubt. Bobby has won before, and had a long and great career because of it. Cox has never proved hmself, and the SEC is definetky no an easy place to try and start building your confidence and composure.

Herschel Talker

September 11th, 2009
11:43 am

Is Bobby Cox the only person who would have continued to bat Andruw Jones cleanup?

Chained Dawg

September 11th, 2009
11:44 am

Mark B. Instead of Joe C. Should your question include Mark R. ? I mean CMR recruited this red headed clown. Clemson’s R\Freshman QB Looked light years better than Joe C. Who’s fault is that?

BugKiller

September 11th, 2009
11:45 am

Mark,

First… Joe Cox didn’t contract the flu. He had flu-like symptoms. If he had the flu, he wouldn’t have been able to get out of bed, let alone throw a bunch of wounded ducks around the field.

Second… no other manager has done less with more than Bobby Cox has. Remember Mark, his teams lost to WORSE teams than themselves TEN TIMES in the playoffs.

TEN TIMES. That’s inexcusable.

It’s not Joe Cox’s fault that he shouldn’t be starting at Georgia.

It’s not Joe Cox’s fault that he’s been given a starting job on this SEC team when he couldn’t start for any other of the SEC’s teams.

That’s Mark Richt’s fault. Mark Richt’s patterns of putting HIS sentimentality over what it takes to win is well documented.

Bobby Cox SHOULD have been fired after 1996. In ANY other city, he would have been fired after 1997.

The fact that people are finally waking up to Bobby’s ineptitude amazes me that it’s taken this long.

I say Bobby is having the first month because FINALLY, people aren’t willing to except his bumbling anymore. The spell is over.

Bob Horner had a sweet compact swing

September 11th, 2009
11:47 am

I guess Bobby……Soriano has really hurt us…

ForTheRecord

September 11th, 2009
11:49 am

The cost of attending Collegiate Football (good seats require both purchase and a costly donation) has gotten to the point where fans expect to get value for the cost! Period. Don’t go giving excuses each year when you have a team loaded with NFL type talent (roster filled with 4 and 5 star recruits) and yet keep giving us excuses. “OH NO, We have had a lot of injuries”. “Oh No, one kid is showing signs of being sick”. “Oh No, the fans were a little rough even though we make them pay out of the nose to attend our games”. Just a few quotes that may or may not have been used in the past two years out of only one of our states beloved universities. No idea what’s been said around Atlanta, Statesboro, Valdosta, Carrollton or other locations with football teams but I am sure they too have their whining coaches deceiving the public about the truth. “He simply is not a top 5 coach in the SEC much less the nation”. Here are five I would love to have over him…

1. Saban
2. Meyers
3. Nutt
4. Petrino
5. Kiffin
6. Vandy coach Johnson
7. Spurrier

Oops…I guess there are at least 7 better coaches.

AAAAAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW. (Sound of this Dawg howling at the moon in utter frustration)

Phil

September 11th, 2009
11:50 am

Has Bobby had the flu for the last 20 years? If not, then he’s just a plain idiot based on his performance.

Cuz

September 11th, 2009
11:51 am

Probably Joe because College football attains mythical status in the South whereas baseball is just baseball.

C’mon Joe, put your game face on. Actually it seems he never takes it off.

WesternDawg

September 11th, 2009
11:51 am

Joe has it worse! How can fans rake college players over the coals and then expect them to stick it out all years of their eligibility? Either be loyal to your players and let them learn (which is, last I checked, what college is for), or don’t call them disloyal for leaving as soon as they can. If they’re not getting paid, they shouldn’t have to put up with such hateful comments about them, their families, their personalities, etc…. Let kids be kids!

Large in the Pants

September 11th, 2009
11:53 am

Mark: I noticed you didn’t ask which Cox has it harder.

Well played, my good man.

Clipboard Joe

September 11th, 2009
11:54 am

Gosh guys I can really demonstrate my talents on the sidelines….

PMC

September 11th, 2009
11:57 am

Shawne Merriman?

RxDawg

September 11th, 2009
11:59 am

Robodawg, that’s one of the best summarized writings of why we lost I’ve seen to date. Way to be objective my fellow fan.

CrazyVol

September 11th, 2009
11:59 am

No question what so ever. Joe has it rougher. Why? Because he does care what happens to his team, and understand the Dawg nation demands perfection. Bobby on the other hand knows he is not going anywhere. Yeah he won 15 divison titles and 1 WS. The question is how many championships should he have won. Its time for tough love send him packing. In regards to Joe, hell at least let him play another game or two before you hang him.

P Rose

September 11th, 2009
12:04 pm

Hopefully the Cox who will have the worst weekend coming up will be the ones from South Carolina.

Bowilly

September 11th, 2009
12:05 pm

Bobby Hands Down. Taking Hanson out and replacing him with tired arm Rafeal when the Kid was still in control of game was the straw for me. You can’t keep parading those three out every night and now it is clear that they have been used up this year. As far as Schaefer, Johnson and Chipper,Loyalty only goes so far.

Virginia "old" fan

September 11th, 2009
12:05 pm

what kind of stupid question, oh, it is just to go easy on bobby again, forget it, he only won with
the superstars, cannot manage youngsters.

Realistic Fan at 75

September 11th, 2009
12:09 pm

One call did it all for me. When Bobby made the call to the pen to replace Hanson with Soriano, that one call proved to me that Bobby no longer learns from experience. Joe has youth on his side and still has time to learn from mistakes. Thus, time has come for Bobby to “eject” himself into retirement, while the time has come for Joe to “project” himself into a bright future. Thanks to Bobby for his years of exciting Atlanta Braves baseball. Good luck to Joe whose exciting days are ahead of him.

azdawg

September 11th, 2009
12:11 pm

It’s unfortunate for Joe Cox ailing as he was to become a scapegoat for a fan base that’s been fed up with sporadic play year in and out and bad coaching on both sides of the ball. He didn’t play very well after the opening drive and the same can be said for the rest of the team and coaches as well. GA fans just took their frustration out on Joe because he’s the QB. Brush it off Joe, it’s not really you. It’s like the CA forest fires. It only takes one tiny burning ember to reignite the forest and to fan the flames of discontent among the GA faithful once more year after year. Get it done this Sat Joe, and put out the fire.

UGA ALL THE WAY

September 11th, 2009
12:14 pm

Is Bobby Cox the only person who can sit calmly in the dug-out while his team is falling apart because of poor management?

Donny Corleone

September 11th, 2009
12:17 pm

Chained dawg, calling a young man doing his best a red headed clown shows a complete lack of judgement on your part. Get a grip.

Jim

September 11th, 2009
12:18 pm

Bobby Cox has had a bad month. But I think the Braves have done pretty good to be over .500 with the lineup this year. If you look at this honestly, the Braves would have had to win over 90 games to get a playoff spot. This lineuplacks power and speed. I think the only way they could have beaten out the Rockies or the Phillies would have been if a lot of guys on this team had career years at the plate. And on top of everything, Chipper is having the worst year of his career. How is this Bobby’s fault?!?

Mrs. Chanandler Bong

September 11th, 2009
12:19 pm

I think Joe Cox has it rougher, as of right now. Regardless of Bobby’s recent flounderings, he’s going to Cooperstown and he’ll be remembered as one of the best. If Joe keeps on the way he’s going, he’ll be remembered as a never-was.

Donny Corleone

September 11th, 2009
12:20 pm

Who else but Bobby would continue to pinch hit Greg Norton in critical situations?

Dewey Cox

September 11th, 2009
12:23 pm

Whatiya mean it takes all your bad feelings and turns them into good ones?

Starring Kam Fong as Chin Ho

September 11th, 2009
12:28 pm

Dumb question, in the last 30 days B Cox has seen his teams chances for post season play evaporate. While J Cox lost a game and didn’t play particularly well, his teams goals are all still attainable. B Cox goes home to his wife, J Cox has 5,000 beautiful coeds to pursue. I say B Cox has it worse

Chained Dawg

September 11th, 2009
12:32 pm

Hey Donny boy I lost faith in Joe Cox with his comments to the Media. If he cant stand the heat then he needs to take himself out of the Kitchen. BTW Western Dawg This is college football the last time I checked. In other words it aint little league and it aint kids. Go support your local pee wee leauge if you want kids.

Phil

September 11th, 2009
12:33 pm

Bobby Cox has had a rough 20 years, Joe only 1 week.

Starring Kam Fong as Chin Ho

September 11th, 2009
12:34 pm

ForTheRecord, I’m glad you’re not the Ga AD,

Furman Bitcher

September 11th, 2009
12:36 pm

Come on. Bobby hands down. This should not even be a question. Joe has started one game. Bobby has been blowing games for 20 yrs.

UGA04

September 11th, 2009
12:37 pm

I would say Kathy Cox has had the worst month..Alright Joe, I have faith you can turn it around. GO DAWGS!!

Pi$$onaDawg

September 11th, 2009
12:44 pm

It has to be Bobby. He gets paid to not be stupid. Bobby deals with the media and paying fans all the time. Joe is just to stupid to know what to say. Joe should know better than to kick a cornered Dawg when it is scared and fighting for it’s life, but Joe is going to UGA. So, joe can’t be too smart. Joe should know the mentality of DAWG FANS better than to call them THE STUPID KNOW NOTHINGS they really are. What was Joe thinking? I know it is hard to believe, but Dawg fans can actually read. Bobby will still get to talk to the media. I will bet until JOE wins and has a great game while doing it, he will not get so many chances to run his mouth