Report: Marvin to stay a Hawk, and that’s more good news
Marvin Williams will remain a Hawk, according to a report by Marc Spears on Yahoo! Sports. Hawks general manager Rick Sund would not confirm a deal had been reached Wednesday night, but the sides seem very close to a signed contract.
(Indeed, that’s the word Williams used in a text message to AJC colleague Sekou Smith on Wednesday — “close.” And Williams told Sekou via text he’s hopeful something works out.)
The proposed contract, Spears reported, is for “about $40 million over five seasons,” although that $40 million is believed to include incentives. As a restricted free agent, Williams could have accepted the Hawks’ qualifying offer of $7.5 million and become an unrestricted free agent in July 2010. A long-term agreement would mean the Hawks have locked up a 23-year-old who averaged 13.9 points last season and is still regarded as a developing talent — and have done for essentially the qualifying offer times five.
If Williams does stay, the Hawks will have retained three of their four key free agents — Mike Bibby and Zaza Pachulia have re-signed, and Flip Murray now seems surplus to requirements — and added guard Jamal Crawford in the same offseason. And that would make this just about the greatest summer in Hawks history.
Assuming Williams re-signs, the Hawks would enter the 2009-2010 season having kept seven of their top eight players from a team that won 47 games and finished fourth in the NBA East. At a time when the three teams that finished above the Hawks — Cleveland, Boston and Orlando — have made major offseason acquisitions, Sund had to hold his core together if the Hawks were to stand any chance of moving upward. And it appears he has.
The belief here was that the Hawks would consider this summer a success if they re-upped two of the four free agents and a windfall if they could keep three. They’re close to doing that now, and this city is that much closer to having a NBA team that we can view as a team capable of reaching the Eastern Conference finals, something the Hawks have never done.
The work doesn’t end here. Joe Johnson will become an unrestricted free agent and Al Horford a restricted free agent next summer. But Sund, who was hired 13 months ago, is within one signature of having not just passed a difficult test but aced it. And when last could we say that about any Hawks GM? Like, ever?
Tell us what you think about the site
Customer Care »
Vacation stops, manage subscriptions and more
AJC Services
Sections
Other Editions
Visitor Agreement | Privacy Statement
© 2013 The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
156 comments Add your comment
Shawks
July 30th, 2009
1:52 pm
Eric, who are you going to trade for him? For him to get 31 minutes on the Hawks, that means you are getting rid of either Horford, Smoove or Zaza (i.e. getting rid of some of our young core to replace them with an oft injured 30 something player) in addition to another player to make salaries match. You can’t move Smoove to the 3 as he will get eaten alive by other 3s and his shooting % will drop drastically.
Not saying that Camby isn’t any good. Just don’t see how it works for this year and the long haul.
Shawks
July 30th, 2009
1:54 pm
If Hawks were going to make the trade for Camby, they would have had to do it before the Crawford trade for the same spare parts we sent to the Warriors. Don’t know if even the Clips are that stupid.
All I'm Saying Is...
July 30th, 2009
1:55 pm
Furthermore, essentially what the Hawks are saying at this point in the free agency process is we will at a minimum secure a #4 seed or better, win our first round series, and challenge Boston, Cleveland and Orlando for the NBA Eastern Conference Crown by simply resigning Bibby, ZaZa, and Marvin, adding Crawford and Teague, and maybe Joe Smith and by having everyone healthy come play off time.
I for one hope they at least add the Siler kid (and play him) and play the Randolph kid especially since he is in the last year of his deal. If we at least do those two things (which is what we are stuck with at this point), then we would have some big bodies to rotate in at center giving Al some relief and the team another option besides ZaZa because the way things stand, unless we step it up and run the ball (which Al at center would allow us to do), regularly then our centers are going to have a tough time handling the other bigs in the East and we will need several of them so we can use our full complement of six fouls per person.
I also think we need to find a way to keep Flip and play to our (I think) strength at the guard positions.
All I'm Saying Is...
July 30th, 2009
2:01 pm
Mike: You are dead wrong about Odom shooting threes. Maybe he did with the Heat but not under Phil Jackson and the Lakers. Ariza was the one shooting threes consistently and doing it well. In any case, it doesn’t matter because the Hawks are committed to having Al play center regularly so let’s all hope it works.
I don’t know who typed it but comparing Al to Wes Unseld makes no sense because when Wes Unseld was playing (1970s), there were very few 7′ centers that he had to deal with regularly or even in the playoffs. So Washington could make it work because mis-matches were few in occurrence (and despite that, they made it to the Finals twice, I think, and only won one title so it was a challenge for them.)
Eric
July 30th, 2009
2:02 pm
Shawks once again you don’t know what you’re talking about. Josh is a natural 3, he started his first 2 seasons at 3. Al Harrington was the starter at 4 and Marvin came off the bench until Al was traded. Basketball experts have already mentioned that the Clippers are willing to let Camby go for cheap to make room for the kid they drafted number 1, they’ll take that 2nd round pick the Hawks are holding. Like I said before move Al to 4, Josh to 3, and Marcus Camby is your big you were looking for.
All I'm Saying Is...
July 30th, 2009
2:15 pm
Everyone on this blog needs to stop focusing on who is playing the 3 or the 4, okay. The NBA is about match-ups and if your coach is worth a darn (open question for the Hawks), then they will make moves and put players on the floor irrespective of the so-called who is a PF or SF nonsense.
L.A. played Bynum and Gasol on the floor together, okay? They didn’t get caught up in the nonsense of they are both centers so I can’t put them on the floor together. Why do I type this? Because, just for kicks, let’s say the Hawks finessed a way to get Camby without giving up their core. Then we could easily have Camby, Horford, and Josh Smith out there with JJ and Crawford at point. The coach would simply tell Josh’s stubborn self that his game has not changed one bit, play athletic defense, and do not take any threes. Many scenarios on offense could play out: Camby could stay out high and let Josh and Al have the right and left posts (or whatever side they wanted) or Camby could focus on one side of the lane and then have Josh and Al play the pick and roll on the other side of the lane. In other words, the coaching staff could easily make it work (I mean, that’s their job, okay?)
Eric
July 30th, 2009
2:26 pm
If they add Camby, you would argubly have the two best shot blockers in the game on one team. Josh and Camby finished 1st and 2nd in block shots in 07 and 08, and Al ain’t bad at blocking shots either.
chaz
July 30th, 2009
2:28 pm
if we could get camby, i would start josh and camby and bring horford and zaza off the bench. we would start two of the league’s best shot-blockers at 4 and 5, and horford and zaza would be the best backup big man tandem in the league. also horford’s offensive game would likely develop faster and better as a backup PF, as he would get a lot more scoring opportunities and he would be going against a lot of backups.
same goes for marvin – coming off the bench would be the best thing for his offensive development, being the 2nd unit’s primary scoring option and being guarded by backups. someday he might develop into being more than just a spot-up jump shooter when jj gets doubled. also jj and crawford in the starting unit would be more explosive and harder for most opposing teams to defend than jj and marvin.
The Truth
July 30th, 2009
2:55 pm
This pipe dream about us acquiring Camby is nonsense; it’s not going to happen. The Clippers are not in the luxury tax @ 53.5M including the Blake signing and they have a good center rotation with Camby, Kaman and Jordon. They are making the budget work because they got Al Thornton on the cheap for 2 more years plus 1 qualifying offer year.
Officer Dangle
July 30th, 2009
3:00 pm
What a shock that the AJC and their Hawks beat writer, Suckou, get scooped again on a Hawks story by a national news outlet. YahooSports has more Hawks insight than Suckou. Same thing happened last summer on the Josh Childress-is-going-to-Greece story. Suckou puts the “beat” in beat writer.
Mike
July 30th, 2009
3:13 pm
Actually Lamar shot over 100 3’s this past season. But I think we all agree that if we are forcing Al to play center and Josh play PF then he needs to stay around the paint and not shoot jumpers. Its the only way we can be successful. Josh takes up too much space around the perimeter…he needs to use his athleticism to get offensive boards and put backs and let Joe, Bibby, Marvin and Jamal jack up 3’s.
Spud Webb
July 30th, 2009
3:39 pm
A LOT of money for a bit player. But hey, I guess by NOT signing him it would acknowledge that we F’ed up by drafting Marvin. Good for him I guess.
I would love to see this Siler kid bang out on the floor next year. But along with Solo, Hunter and Morris, that would require woody to play them and HELP DEVELOP THEM. ahhaahaha, classic, even the most diehard woody supporter would have to admit that woody doesnt develop players. HE will whistle, call for a clearout for JJ and then consider himself a good coach!! Sorry, I know, same old story but I’m ready for woody to be gone and Avery to be here. Thats the ONLY way this team improves, no matter who we sign!
Someone else blogged it, I would’ve LOVED TO HAVE tyson chandler here, I love that guy, selfless, plays hard and would allow J.Smith to just worry about scoring. All my opinion of course!
All I'm Saying Is...
July 30th, 2009
4:04 pm
Mike: Derek Fisher shot 300 3s and made 120; Sasha Vujacic shot 223 3s and made 81; Ariza shot 191 3s and made 61; and Odom shot 103 and made 33. So you are right that he shot over 100 3s but that’s barely more than one per game in an 82 game season so not sure that’s a lot or that it matters as it only came up if by some crazy happening the Hawks obtained a legit big man to play center moving Al to PF and JS to SF with some people thinking that automatically means JSmoove would play further from the basket and my point in response was that Gasol, Bynum, and Odom were on the floor together and that did not turn Odom into a jump shooter and I stand by that.
In any case, Sekou says (in a story he first reported or tweeted) that Solo is headed to Indiana so we can cross him off the Hawks roster which only further means that we need to sign Siler and play him and Morris more often. Sign Joe Smith too given where we are now as he will provide some quality minutes in the rotation.
I said it before and I’ll type it again, we should have figured out a way to make the trade for Tyson Chandler or sign Theo. Since those ships have sailed, we now need to sign Siler to be a big developing body in the middle and commit to playing Randolph as Al/ZaZa cannot handle the middle by themselves unless we commit to running the ball and trying to outsprint all the other elite bigs in the East (with the exception of Howard).
All I'm Saying Is...
July 30th, 2009
4:07 pm
By the way, no one is suggesting that we can easily get Camby. The idea was to look into it given our need for frontline bodies. I don’t think LAC are looking to move him anyway, as someone else mentioned.
One thing for sure, however, is that time is running out to do anything and most of the key players are gone.
With Marvin signed and Solo leaving, what now Rick Sund?
ILL-logical
July 30th, 2009
4:30 pm
After checking out his bio, Ryan Hollins could be a poor man’s Marcus Camby for the Hawks.He is an excellent athlete,he high jumped and long jumped at UCLA, and he has a reliable 15 footer according to the bio. He could be a solid 15-20 minute guy and he is only 24 and is a 7 footer, with the right development…. . However, it would have to be in the post Woodson era.
Hawksgirl
July 30th, 2009
4:52 pm
Okay……..If flip is signed how are teague and flip gonna have efficient minutes? Problem # 1. If we sign camby we have to bench someone, problem #2(smoove and horford wont like coming off the bench so im guessing marvin), and how can we be sure that randolph is ready for this action? I mean yea we seen him in the camp but you really never know. So someone will be doubling minutes like last year(bad idea again).
Im thinking we need garret siler and just work him in. I know al isnt a natural center but to find a really good one we would have to give up half of our bench which isnt negotiable.
Hawksgirl
July 30th, 2009
4:54 pm
And we all know how woody is so if flip stays we wouldnt want teague to be another acie law
drewscrilla
July 30th, 2009
5:20 pm
Tyson Chandler Sucks
Make It Better
July 30th, 2009
6:06 pm
All I’m Saying Is… take a break already! What would you trade for Camby? What would you have proposed we trade for Chandler? …and don’t give me the generic mamby pamby oft repeated “Morris, Evans, & a 2nd round pick”.
Camby: I am not looking to rip apart a team that is “finally” being built for the now-future to temporarily shore up the interior defense. No disrespect to Camby, but he is 35 years old and will not be getting better in the next couple of years; 5-years ago this would have been interesting (too bad we didn’t benefit from the Nuggets’ dump), but today I wouldn’t give up any of my top 7 or future 1st rounders. (Now, if the Clippers are looking to give him away, then that’s another story, and that’s all I’m saying on that.)
Chandler: I would have been interested in him too, but what big would you have swapped to the Hornets? (LOL if you say Anderson, Morris and a 2.) The Hornets wanted big for big; as I’m sure you recall their failed trade last year with the Thunder would have delivered Wilcox and Smith (yes, Joe). They got Okafor as starting center; were you looking to give up Horford….? Please – elaborate – what would you have done GM All I’m Saying Is…? I’m longing to hear something brilliant!
Make It Better
July 30th, 2009
6:25 pm
All I’m Saying Is… I didn’t intend my comments as a personal attack; my apologies for that… I’m just getting tired of negative comments without logical proposals, especially when we’re experiencing our first positive summer of this century. This team is getting better, will continue to improve, and is in need of another solid big man. No doubt, inspite of the improvement the big man situation needs to be addressed as it limits our ceiling.
BTW, Wes Unseld, all 6-6 or 6-7 of him was a 245 beast; he routinely out-hustled and out-played centers 3-4 inches taller.
BrittishAnger
July 30th, 2009
6:26 pm
Hey Mark, who have I been clamoring for since it became horrible obvious we weren’t going to draft BJ Mullens with the 19th pick? Garret Siler, who is as close to a real center the Hawks are going to find this season at a bargain rate, and while it was obvious Mullens was going to need a season or two to adjust, and the salary for that growth quotient would be impossible to defend short of an amazing break-out season (i.e. top three in ROY voting), Siler provides that sort of option at a lesser cost with a greater upside in terms of his abillity to bang inside right off the bat plus he’s got size that needs minor refining to make him a troublemaker in the paint. At this point I’d be happy to hear that ASG were seeking out Free Agents from Brazil or even Italy or Greece who would be willing to take that Solo-styled role and run with it, rather than somebody who might get overpaid to do the same thing. Besides which, if all this talk about trying to resign Joe next summer or extend Al’s contract as well, picking up a budget project player who provides the same characteristics we’re looking for in a back-up big will also provide the financial freedom to resign both of those guys without a ton of hassle (Al will have a bigger contract, and Joe a smaller one….it’s my prediction, roll wit’ it). I’m not impressed with the idea of bringing in Joe Smith for any reason except stealing some of Cleveland’s plays in response and giving us a minor mental edge on that level. Also, if we’re serious about creating some freedom to do this next summer, rescind ‘Rio’s Q/O, use half of it to sign Siler for the next two years guaranteed with a Team Option on the third, and let’s continue to be one of the youngest teams on the block. Boo-yah….Praise Cyborg…and Praise “Bob”…..
Deep
July 30th, 2009
7:12 pm
Every one keeps downing Woody for not”developing players” but the fact of the matter is you can’t develop a piece of crap into gold. I know everyone wants to dream that AC Law, Solo, Morris, Salaim, etc. are all Lebron, Howard, Kobe caliber players or even second rate players but they’re not. They can barely stay in the NBA and Woody has nothing to do with that. I’m not saying he’s a great coach, but at least he recognizes when someone sucks. Everyone keeps yelling about we’re not good enough but then they want Solo and AC Law in there??? WHAT? Everyone gets mad at Bobby Cox because that’s exactly what he does do (Francour, Kelly Johnson, Etc.) Look he’s let Josh, Marvin, Chills, and Horford play because they don’t suck. And Teague will play too because he’s a baller. So lets wait and see before we go down this road again.
Deep
July 30th, 2009
7:44 pm
I know someone will bring up Diaw, but we used him to get Joe and anyone that can complain about that is crazy. Johnson changed this organization. If you’re going to down Woody make real points. Make it about coaching mistakes not that he won’t play crappy players more.
Time
July 30th, 2009
7:54 pm
Great, great news they are close to a deal with Marvin. Who in my mind, is the most talented player on the team. I expect to see him continue to grow into his game.
Now pick up Joe Smith and hopefully get Flip back on the cheap and this team will be set. Yes, they will have made no major big name additions while the other teams have. But, this is a young core of players, still getting better each year. No reason to think the young core (Smith/Williams/Horford) won’t continue to develop and get better.
Great time to be a Atlanta fan. The Hawks are up and coming loaded with young talent. The Falcons are poised to have a few championship runs the next few years. And even the Braves seem to have reloaded the vaunted pitching staff and sit in nice position to make a run at the wildcard. If they do add a bat before the deadline, then watch out.
Ken
July 30th, 2009
9:05 pm
Tyson Chandler, Theo Ratliff, Rado Nesterovic, all legit centers who could help us, but none of which is going to get us a championship, eastern finals birth, or whatever BS is being said. Look, I’m as big a hawks fan as anyone on here, but the hawks are not championship contenders, even if they do sign Joe Smith or whoever. They will be competitive, maybe go to 5,6 games in the second round. If they make it beyond that I’d be thrilled, but it would be a miracle. This summer wasn’t about gearing up for a championship, their weren’t any players out there that could take us to that level. This was about not falling back in to mediocrity and irrelevancy(is that a word), which everyone seems to have forgotten have plagued us for the past few decades. Hawks are making the correct moves for the long-term benefit of the organization.
Ken
July 30th, 2009
9:11 pm
By the way, Al Horford does not get enough love. Sure he is out of position and could do more at power forward, but even as a center he gets it done. He has modist numbers, but he is the one the does the little things that go unnoticed. He has a very high basketball IQ and is a winner, which is why he never leaves us wanting more. For all those wackjobs talking about trading him, be happy to have him. He’s the best big man this franchise has seen since…. Mutombo, Koncack, Danny Manning, yeah you get the point.
All I'm saying is.....
July 30th, 2009
9:45 pm
…. I think I’m smarter than the Hawks GM and I have a major hard-on for Mark Bradley because he got the job as columnist, and I did not…..
Truth be told....
July 30th, 2009
9:46 pm
…..I don’t know squat and can’t accept the fact that Al Horford is a center….
As it stands.....
July 30th, 2009
9:47 pm
……I want Smoove traded because he doesn’t fit my idea of basketball…..
For what it's worth.....
July 30th, 2009
9:48 pm
……I should shut the heck up and go elsewhere…..
Needless to say.....
July 30th, 2009
9:51 pm
…….my scenarrios and ideas are better than anybody else’s so I should be blogging all by myself…
All I'm saying is....
July 30th, 2009
9:52 pm
blue hawk
July 30th, 2009
10:05 pm
ken, how ’bout kevin willis or dikembe?
anyway, i think we overpaid marvin. dumars just paid charlie villanueva 35mil for the same length, 5 yrs and the guy is taller, and averaged better numbers in lesser minutes.
man, marvin better deliver. like what i keep saying, i’d like to see him play his size. he’s got a 9 foot standing reach plus great hops but he plays small. i hope he’s not too dumb to use his size to his advantage.
cdog
July 30th, 2009
10:42 pm
HERE’S SOME BIG MEN TO CONSIDER ALONG WITH JOE SMITH. JERMAINE O’NEAL, MARCUS CAMBY, EDDIE CURRY AND RYAN HOLLINS. TWO OR THREE WOULD BE A BIG HELP.REMEMBER THE JOB BEN WALLACE DID ON SHAQ DURING THE CHAMPIONSHIP YEARS WITH DETROIT? HE SHOULD BE THROWN IN THE MIX ALSO.SIGNING TWO OF THESE ALONE WITH SILLER WOULD DEFINITELY GIVE US SOMETHING TO LOOK FOR THIS SEASON
blue hawk
July 30th, 2009
10:48 pm
can i mak a suggestion? can we trade Marvin for Michael Beasley?
Ben
July 31st, 2009
9:07 am
blue hawk-
Marvin is a pretty good defender, while Charlie V. plays very little D.
Marvin is a better player than Charlie V. and has MUCH more upside. We have seen Charlie V’s ceiling and we better not have seen Marvin’s. He added the 3 ball last year. I hope he drives to the hole more this year and gets more free throws.
Hawksgirl
July 31st, 2009
10:25 am
Just keep the damn team as is…………………..Unless we get siler and resign flip. Other than thast we cant afford to ship the whole bench for one center
Spud Webb
July 31st, 2009
11:24 am
Deep, I can kind of see your point. That said, Woody doesn’t develop folks. You can’t tell me AC didn’t/doesn’t have talent, Solo has talent, Salem has talent. I’m not asking him to make them into Lebron. I’m asking him to take a talented player with specific strengths and USE them. Solo can defend and block shots, salem could shoot 3’s, AC could’ve & i’m sure will be a decent player in the NBA. My point is this, USE your bench, don’t wear this team down. Woody should be able mix and match a decent combination of players at certain times, he doesn’t. I’ll be the first to say I don’t like the way Woody coaches. I want Avery Johnson, so I am biased. I hope that Teague turns into a player!
lexluther
July 31st, 2009
1:40 pm
I really believe that keeping the core of this team together was a major improvement from previous seasons. But if we don’t add a quality big man than I believe we’ll be treading the same water as before. (Considering last year, that may be a good thing). Good Centers are hard to find, like 4 leaf clovers but there are some out there. Marvin will be an all star this year!! MARK MY WORDS!
lexluther
July 31st, 2009
1:47 pm
Webb, I agree.
Woody is not a good coach. He hasn’t use guys properly. Guys get paid handsomely to sit on the bench for the hawks. WHY??? Man the only way you get better in this league is by playing. Not in practice. Put the guys on the floor. Acie will become another Jason Terry for some team. If he don’t utilize the bench properly we should all picket for his dismissal. (Damit, Demand it)!!!
bluffton
July 31st, 2009
1:58 pm
Marvin is a nice piece, yes he is. But the Hawks will never go deep in the playoffs until they put a monster rebounder inside to protect the paint. Mr Sund – go get a couple of grown men, or teach Randolph a new attitude!
Duval Hawks Fan
July 31st, 2009
2:31 pm
has it really come to Ryan Hollins or Rasho Nesterovic(in Stephen A Smith voice)?
Deep
July 31st, 2009
4:59 pm
Spud- Yeah I know what you’re saying, Joe and Marvin got worn out last year. I wonder how much of that was coaching choices by Woody or the lack of confidence he had in his bench players. That’s why I said lets see what happens this year with Teague, Hunter, and Siler. We’ve all heard that Teague can play so lets see if he has a chance to. Hopefully we add Joe Smith and Woody has the confidence to play him. I will admit Josh Smith seems to be out of position a lot, but maybe that’s what he fights with Woody about.. I just don’t know. All I’m saying is that if we continue to improve our record again this year, then what can we really say. I know we won’t be satisfied unless we win it all, but only the Lakers did that last year and they aren’t going anywhere. i would like to compete but we need our players to step up and be clutch to do that. We have to win on the road. So lets see if Woody can adapt and use his bench more with better players. ALSO, BRING BACK FLIP! FIND TIME TO PLAY HIM AT SF, SG, or PG!
Deep
July 31st, 2009
5:04 pm
One more thing….. if Woody fails to adjust and improve then yeah, he’s gotta go. I also like Avery Johnson too but I’m willing to give Woody another chance to see if this bench thing improves. Hopefully Crawford, Teague (someone who Woody seems to like), and Joe Smith will help.
Deep
July 31st, 2009
5:07 pm
HEY BRADLEY OR SEKOU…… HEARD ANYMORE ON JOE SMITH???
Deep
July 31st, 2009
5:45 pm
MY POINT-
Milwaukee Bucks waive Salim Stoudamire
July 31, 2009 · Filed Under Atlanta Hawks, Milwaukee Bucks, News
The Milwaukee Bucks have requested waivers on guard Salim Stoudamire, General Manager John Hammond announced today.
Stoudamire, 26, was signed as a free agent on April 3, but did not appear in a game with Milwaukee. He appeared in 157 games with Atlanta from 2005-08 with career averages of 8.0 points, 1.4 rebounds and 1.0 assist. Stoudamire was selected by the Hawks with the 31st pick in the 2005 NBA Draft.
testing
July 31st, 2009
8:46 pm
mr huff
August 1st, 2009
9:27 pm
sign flip, siler, solo, and another big and you good
Mystikal
August 1st, 2009
9:31 pm
Wow, wonder what happened that people finally took a break from the blogging. Guess everyone is breathing sigh of relief now that Marv has resigned.
Ken Strickland
August 1st, 2009
11:56 pm
Reading some of the opinions about the signing of MWilliams reveals a lot about the overall basketball IQ of some of our fans. Personally, I think it was not only a good signing, but a critical one. First, he’s developed into a solid and versatile defender, one of our best. Secondly, he’s become one of our most versatile OFF players. He drives to the basket and draws fouls as well as anyone, certianly better than MBibby, our PG. He’s also one of our better outside shooters, including 3pt range, and he’s a good rebounder for a SF. HOW MANY OTHER HAWKS, BESIDES JJOHNSON, CAN MATCH HIS OVERALL DEF AND OFF VERSATILITY? AND SOME OF YOU WANT TO GET RID OF A PLAYER LIKE THIS.
Some of you don’t like him because he won’t add to the selfishness that was too often displayed by JJ, Bibby and Flip, Who’s ball hogging far too often shut down ball movement and stiffled the OFF flow. IF YOU WANT MORE OFF OUT OF MARVIN, TELL WOODSON TO ADD AND/OR CALL MORE PLAYS FOR HIM. BUT DON’T BE STUPID ENOUGH TO EXPECT HIM TO BE MORE AGGRESSIVE AND ADD TO THE ISO JOE AND BIBBY SHOW.