Beefed-up East mightn’t be too brawny for new Hawks

Mike Woodson said it Monday: “Everyone’s loading up in the East.” On paper, that’s true. Each of the Eastern Conference teams that finished ahead of the Hawks have added a bigger name than Jamal Crawford. But games, as we know, aren’t played on you-know-what.

And there’s a chance the Hawks, assuming Marvin Williams returns to their roster or a reasonable facsimile is found in a sign-and-trade, have closed the gap even more. Think of it this way:

1. Cleveland: The Cavs added Shaquille O’Neal, one of the five greatest centers ever. But he’s 37 and he hasn’t played on a team that won a playoff series since Miami took the NBA title in 2006. And, just as he didn’t fit with Steve Nash and Amar’e Stoudemire in Phoenix, there’s no guarantee he’ll mesh with LeBron James in that charming American city on the banks of Lake Erie.

LeBron is the world’s best player because he can get to the rim anytime he wants. Shaq has always been at his best two feet from the rim. Mightn’t the latter gum up the works for the former? Doesn’t a team with LBJ need to space, as opposed to clog, the floor? And won’t the presence of two of the game’s outsize personalities make things more difficult for coach Mike Brown, already believed to be in disfavor after the Cavs’ loss to Orlando?

2. Boston: 35, 34, 33, 32 … No, that’s not a countdown. Those will be, come Opening Night of the 2009-2010 NBA season, the ages of Rasheed Wallace, Ray Allen, Kevin Garnett and Paul Pierce. By way of contrast, the oldest contributing Hawk — Mike Bibby — is younger than the youngest of the Celtics’ Big Four.

Wallace is the Boston newcomer, but isn’t he just a more temperamental version of Kevin Garnett? (This assumes it’s possible to be more temperamental than Kevin Garnett.) They both shoot jump shots. They’re both forwards, as opposed to post presences. Is a backup — Wallace figures to play as a reserve — who averaged 12 points a game last season apt to push an aging team back to the top? And who juggles all the egos?

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3. Orlando: Vince Carter will open up things for Dwight Howard, right? Consider: Carter took 366 more shots for New Jersey last season than Howard did for the Magic. (And the Nets had a pretty fair young center in Brook Lopez.) Vince Carter usually opens things up only for Vince Carter.

Once considered the next Michael Jordan, Carter isn’t even player Joe Johnson. “He makes big shots,” said Woodson, speaking of Carter, but he also stops the ball. Orlando reached the NBA finals because its perimeter players — Hedo Tukoglu, Rashard Lewis, Courtney Lee and Rafer Alston — played expertly off their burgeoning big man. Three of those four are gone. That’s a net loss, not a net gain.

Bottom line: Nobody is apt to move the Hawks ahead of any of the above in preseason rankings, but preseason rankings weren’t kind to the Hawks last season, either. And they won 47 games and advanced to Round 2 of the playoffs. They could well win 55 and reach Round 3 — yes, the Eastern Conference finals — next time.

And maybe I’ll get to go back to Cleveland! Yes!!!

99 comments Add your comment

Mike Jones

July 16th, 2009
5:57 am

dakast

July 16th, 2009
5:58 am

Well that makes me feel a lot better about the upcoming season.

Mike Jones

July 16th, 2009
6:01 am

LOL The best commercial ever

JSS

July 16th, 2009
6:15 am

Slapping the downtrodden, obviously you haven’t been to Porterdale lately… Thread lightly, that was Cabbagetown in 1989…

Bank Walker, Texas Ranger

July 16th, 2009
6:45 am

I don’t feel great about the Hawks but I do feel better about Atlanta.

Bank Walker, Texas Ranger

July 16th, 2009
6:48 am

I usually don’t travel to areas with horrible economies but when I do, I prefer Cleveland…..Stay depressed my friend.

Jt

July 16th, 2009
7:29 am

One thing is certain- the Celtics may be good next year, but they are getting very old and will be falling fast in a year or two. Also, older players get imjured more often and heal much slower. The Hawks can beat the Celtics if they can rebound on the defensive end and run them out of the gym. The Celtics are going to look like the Pistons did last year. They do not concern me as much as the either the Cavs of the Magic.

Shaq is still a defensive presence in the middle but he is a liability to the pick and roll and the Hawks have one of the best guard tandems in the league to pick and roll. The Cavs manhandled the Hawks last year in the playoffs, but in all honesty the Hawks played with an injury-depleted roster.

I am not sure what effect Carter will have on the Magic. In the playoffs, Turkoglu carried them in several games. Carter is more athletic and versatile, so I think he is an upgrade.

Jt

July 16th, 2009
7:33 am

Also, by the way, MB, you conducted yourself very well during the playoffs when doing the interview with that jackass from the local Cleveland televsion station. He looked like a fool!

Sleeze

July 16th, 2009
7:56 am

Hawks may not have lost any ground to the Big 3, but you have to wonder about other teams catching up to them – Washington, Philly, Chicago.. Still would like to see the Hawks figure out a way to add another low post presence, even if its just to help on the boards and D.

DHD

July 16th, 2009
8:15 am

The Heat are looking to add Boozer and Odom. We could use one more big man.

GT Fan

July 16th, 2009
8:16 am

No, Rasheed Wallace coming off the bench is probably not going to be enough to push Boston to another title. However, a healthy KG, and Wallace starting in his place when he’s out, might do it. Boston had the third best record in the league with KG missing 25 games last year, and took Orlando to 7 games in the second round of the playoffs without KG playing a single minute.

55 wins might be about right, though. Enough to keep the Hawks in front of the pack, but questionable if it will be enough to leap frog one of the big 3.

GeeMack

July 16th, 2009
8:30 am

Hey Mark good article….nice way to say the Hawks didn’t make enough moves to upset the East 3 elite teams. Hey age & chemistry problems of better team should help us get to the ECF. Let the fate of someone else determine how far you go in the playoffs.

The biggest problem the Hawks have is we will trot out the same starting line up that got man handled last year, and the teams that man handled us have gotten better inside.

Ron E.

July 16th, 2009
8:38 am

55 wins? Perhaps. Eastern Finals? LOL.

Anthony

July 16th, 2009
8:43 am

Mark, No one believes me when I make this statement! I want to see if you do. If Marvin Williams, Al Horford and Josh Smith develops a floor game, the Atlanta Hawks could very well reach the finals. In addition to a floor game, they will have to become more consis and become more consistent with making shots. It will all depend on these three players because we already know what Mike, Joe, Jamal, ZaZa an company can do. Theses three need to start forfilling their potential. Do you agree Mark?

Gov. Clinton Tyree

July 16th, 2009
8:46 am

Outstanding Cleveland video. Fabulous.

ATMAN

July 16th, 2009
9:28 am

I still remember how bad we were a few years ago. Making the playoffs as a fourth seed is not the end of the world for this organization. We are building some momentum and with another big or two plus improvement from within the Hawks will be competitive with those top three. Overtake them, I doubt it, but there are no guarantees if we start tearing this core apart, we could get worse. All I’m saying is how about some thankfulness for a team that can win 50 games, compared to what we’ve had to pull for in the past few years as fans.

Mark Bradley

July 16th, 2009
9:32 am

Thanks, JT.

Anthony, obviously the Hawks’ prospects of moving up in the East depend a great deal on Horfy, Josh and Marvin improving. Each still has considerable room to grow. That’s what Rick Sund meant when he said it’s possible for this roster to have “growth from within.”

woody

July 16th, 2009
9:37 am

Boring Boring and More Boring. There are two sports in this World Football and Hockey everything else is for non-men.

No lets talk some football.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-total-access/09000d5d811508fe/Best-fans

ATMAN

July 16th, 2009
9:41 am

Mark, any idea how much the big three (Clev, Bos, Orl) are spending with there teams? Are they all in the luxury tax area? Also, a dumb question: Why is there no penalty from the cap to the luxury tax limit? Why not have them the same if this is the case because the cap is just some random number?

Mark Bradley

July 16th, 2009
9:47 am

I’d imagine all three are nearing the luxury-tax level, even though final rosters and numbers aren’t yet set. And the reason there’s a difference is because there are exceptions in the cap — the mid-level exception, the Larry Bird exception — that leave an opening to exceed the cap number without getting penalized. (For example, you can always pay to keep your own free agent no matter how much it costs you.)

NC Braves Fan

July 16th, 2009
10:07 am

Mark: I agree with your last point – it really sums it up nicely. The Clevelands and Bostons of the world will get their due in the preseason rankings because they went after “the big names,” and a lot of the so-called experts tend to glom on to names rather than Xs and Os. Meanwhile, the Hawks will fly under the radar screen.

One thing I think is true – Sund’s theory about a collection of very good players being able to overcome a team with a bona-fide star or two (and a plateful of schlubs on the back end of the roster) is really going to get put to the test this year.

Alp

July 16th, 2009
10:13 am

It takes one man to change a team, if we can get more production from Marvin and Josh,maybe move ZAZA to starting center and teach him how to finish a LAY-UP, we dont really need big trades, just two more role players… if we can get to a 12 men rotation for the entire season, we can compete with anyone… I have hope…..

bball whiz

July 16th, 2009
10:13 am

Mark You Are Forgetting That The Real Reason The Hawks Lost To Cleveland And Would Have Lost To Orlando, Is Because The Really Have No Real Presence In The Middle(center). ZaZa Is A Good Backup(sometimes),Horford Is Really A Power Forward Playing Out Of Position, Josh Smith Is Still Relative IMMATURE, But, Can Be Better With Better Coaching(physcologically). I Just Think That The Coaching Still Sucks. They Really Need To Look At Trading For A Real Center(Solomon Jones Might Can Stay, But Randolph Morris Has Definitely Got To Go). So, How You Like That Mark?…..

Nique

July 16th, 2009
10:15 am

Mark

Would you agree that we still have no real hope to win a title though without adding another big who can play tough interior D, score in the low post, board with the big boys, & be a shot blocking presence? Going back to the playoffs is all well & good, but is that really what we’re trying to accomplish here?

Those were all good point that you made above, but the fact still remains that those teams have Shaq/Big Z, D Howard/Gortat, & now K.G./Shed & Perkins at the C/PF slots & there’s no way that we can even come close to matching up with these teams in the paint & defensively. They kill us on the boards & with 2cnd chance points all of the time & as soon as things turn into a half court game, which is what the playoffs is about this always comes back & bites us! WE HAVE 2 GET ANOTHER LAGIT BIG 2 BE SERIOUS CONTENDERS. Don’t get me wrong, Crawford will really help, as will Teague, & bringing everyone else back, but this isn’t a new issue, so returning everyone won’t solve an already existing issue.

wxwax

July 16th, 2009
10:17 am

Two curves concern the Hawks.

The curve that measures the ascendancy of Josh Smith, Al Horford and Marvin Williams. And the curve that marks the possible declines of Joe Johnson and Mike Bibby.

Where those two curves interest will determine how good this team can be. One can only hope that Smith miraculously matures and that Marvin and Jamal Crawford can compensate for whatever decay there is in Joe Johnson’s game.

Am I being unfair to Johnson? Last year’s heavy minutes really seem to age him, to take their toll on his body. Maybe he’ll be rested more this year, who knows? But for the Hawks to “grow from within” Johnson will have to be a steadier presence than he was last year.

Anakin Joe

July 16th, 2009
10:20 am

I agree that our front court has room to improve. So what off-season moves did Sund make that would further their maturation? Was it trading for Crawford? Drafting Teague? Bringing in quality veteran big men to work with daily in practice? Hiring a big man consultant to teach them low post moves? Or does this growth come naturally with a daily glass of milk and a Flintstones vitamin?

honest_abe

July 16th, 2009
10:23 am

mr. bradley: have to disagree with you about boston. the big three haven’t once had a problem with their ego’s. for them especially at this age they just want to win. they added rasheed who can get out of hand sometimes regarding fouls but when’s the last time you heard a peep from him regarding lack of shots or spotlight? he’s a team player. he meshed in nicely when he went to detroit and i expect him to do the same in boston. sure rasheed and kg both shoot jumpers but they also have a nice post up game. not to mention they’re excellent passers out of the post as well.

also, when it comes to crunch time boston seems to always give it to their hottest player. it doesn’t matter who it is. the hawks could learn a thing or two from boston regarding that. jj doesn’t need to get the ball every time with the game on the line. of course if woody could diagram a play that might help too but i digress.

boston is the favorite to win the championship because not only are those veterans capable they also have an excellent head coach and a top 3 pg. this team will be extremely hard to score on especially inside and when it comes to crunchtime you won’t see a team execute better.

go ahead and do it now bet on boston to win the whole thing.

bball whiz

July 16th, 2009
10:27 am

Further More, At 15 Of The Games I Attended Last Year, It Was Obvious That Coach Woodson Had No Idea What Was Going On In The Game. Against The Spurs, They Lost A Game They Should Have Won. All The Coach Had To Do Was Match Speed Against Speed. (Mario On Parker), He Put Mario Williams In For About 5 Minutes, He Stopped Parker, Even Had A Steal From Parker At Mid-court, Parker Could Not Penetrate He Shut Parker Down For That Time Span. He Then Put In Bibby And Murray Whom Parker Blew By, Like Driving On The Autobahn, End Result (Parker 42 Points). I yELLED aND yELLED To The Coach To Put Mario, Back In, But He Never Did The Rest Of The Game. What An IDIOT!!!!!!!…….

DJ

July 16th, 2009
10:28 am

The hawks need to go after Ben Wallace or Chris Wilcox. Ben Wallace would have to take the minimum because no other team wants to pay him higher than that. Chris Wilcox will also get the minimum because nobody is interested in paying him 8 million.

Solo and Randolph both need to find another team because Randolph Morris is dead weight and alot of weight at that. Solo is the opposite of Randolph, too skinny, if solo ever got 15 minutes to 20 minutes of playing time every game, he would be hampered by injury. Thats why the need to sign Garret Siler.

Wink

July 16th, 2009
10:29 am

That’s the point, the beefed up East, we have no beef, Pachulia & Horford are small in comparison.

If we run the ball then small & youth work for us, but we don’t consistently run the ball by design. We play half court basketball, burn clock, rush jumper at end of clock. One shot we are done, no beef to get that rebound. Check the losses last year, crunch time we just can’t get the ball. To small & too tired…no bench play.

Playoff basketball, is basically half court, with flashes of accelerated play. The team are usually better in the playoffs, chemistry is at an all time high from playing together during the season, and if your opponent is smaller you have an advantage on the boards; if they are younger and don’t push the ball, the veteran team with experience again will have the advantage. If you are playing against a Coach who can’t make in game adjustments, you have an even bigger advantage.

So we need BEEF, BRAWN & BRAINS, to succeed in the East!

Show the BEEF the MULA $$$$$

lawton

July 16th, 2009
10:33 am

surely you jest mark. there is no reason to believe a team that has tried for FORTY YEARS to make it to the CONFERENCE FINALS, WE TALKING ABOUT CONFERENCE FINALS, NOT NBA FINALS, CONFERENCE FINALS, will do so anytime soon. lol

Beautiful Monte

July 16th, 2009
10:33 am

I asked this question yesterday on Schultz’s blog, and I’ll ask it again here:

Where, exactly, is Sund supposed to find a “big” who can rebound, play defense, run the floor, and score 15 ppg? Some fans make it sound as if all Sund has to do is visit the nearest Wal-Mart, where he will find such a seven-footer stuffed between the paper towels and the charcoal.

Another question for the would-be GMs: since quality “bigs” are valued commodities, which current Hawks would you be willing to trade in exchange for such a player? Keep in mind that any team giving up a quality “big” will be wanting equal (or greater) value in return.

So, please, no ideas like the one I heard on an ATL radio station in the early 90s, when a caller suggested that the Braves trade Belliard and Lemke to the Mariners in exchange for Junior.

bball whiz

July 16th, 2009
10:44 am

I Agree With You DJ, They Do Need To Go After Chris Wilcox, He Can Rebound And Is Not Afraid To Bang And He’s A Big Body. Mr. Wilcox Can Also Dunk As Persa (ZaZa) Whom Misses Layups. Ben Wallace Would Be Good Too, Because He Knows How To Play The Game, No Foolish Stuff. He Can Also Offer Some Personal Coaching To Josh Smith. But Bottom Line, Randolph Morris And Solomon Has To Go.

T.C

July 16th, 2009
10:44 am

Say what you want about cleveland,boston,and orlando’s players being old ect…No disrespect,but i will have to say wishful thinking.In order i would say (1)boston (2)orlando (3)cleveland and boston comes out the east with a healthy garnett.I think the hawks slip to 5th or 6th and the bulls finish 4th even without gordon.That could change considering who the hawks pick up in the off season(BIG MEN).We gotta bring in the bigs or we will have a mitch match everytime we play these three teams(Cavs,magics,Celtics).Za Za is a good back up but definately not a starter that can hang with these three elite teams without fouling out.I love the hawks but im not gonna place them somewhere there not just because they are the home team.The truth is the truth and i just don’t think they have enough to get past the first round next year.I will give them 6th seed at best and we all know the lowest seed plays the highest seed which would be one of these three teams(cavs,magics,celtics).We always talk about age but i thought basketball was 80% mental anyway.The only player i have seen a little decline in is shack but he still made a forceful impact last season and was a force in the post.Imagine this matchup,shack v.s ZaZa? Howard v.s ZaZa? perkins,garnett,rasheed v.s Za Za or who ever that is now present on the hawks roster thats considered a big man.You can throw horford in there to foul out and thats what he do everytime he plays the center position.Hawks i love you but unless you make a incredible move in the off season,i cant see it.

bball whiz

July 16th, 2009
10:49 am

Michael

July 16th, 2009
10:51 am

Who cares about Shaq he is washed up and old. Health issues can destroy a team and I sure do like my chances with kids in their twentys not mid to late thirtys. The hawks are not a team of ego’s they are a TEAM. Yes a TEAM all these other teams have loaded a hot revolver and its just waiting to go off. Shaq at 37 I rate him in the middle of the pack sliding dow the scale and I rate BIG AL HORFORD as Mid to top of the pack Climbing with passion hard work and agression. Thats the Hawks a team that is growing up in front of us but instead of growing pains its growing Gains and cant wait for the NBA season to get kicked off this year! the Cavs better be ready cause WE READY!

cdog

July 16th, 2009
10:55 am

if sund sign a big man who can close down the middle on defense plus get marvin williams signed then i would say we are moving in the right direction. but if sund and woodson fool themself and believe what we currently have on the roster is enough then its going to be a long fustrating season. we need to get a big man now.

Art Vandelay

July 16th, 2009
10:56 am

I think what Sund and the Hawks are doing is very pragmatic. We’re not in a position to build a team around a single superstar like Dwight Howard or LeBron, so it makes good sense to put as many solid players on the court as possible and let them complement each other’s games. If you look at the teams that tend to win the NCAA tournament, they’re usually collections of very good players with bench depth at every position — not one star and a few role players. The Hawks are building a similar team where everyone has an important role. Now the key is to get guys like Josh Smith to understand and embrace their roles in the system and execute it, rather than trying to take too much on himself. While the Bostons of the world age and are forced to rebuild, the Hawks can have a core group of players in place for several years.

We may not be a championship contender this year, but we’ll be in the conversation for the next several years so long as we’re able to keep the guys we have. Long-term, the franchise seems to be headed in the right direction, no matter how hard the Anti-Spirit Group tries to screw it all up.

hawkfan

July 16th, 2009
10:58 am

I agree with Mark’s assertions that the recent acquisitions of the Celtics, Magic, and Cavs are not so impressive, but the fact remains that those teams were already better than the Hawks before they arrived. Shaq and Wallace will likely see limited action so as to minimize their impact on their new team’s chemistry. Vince Carter will add some athleticism to the Magic, who although they lost Hedo, still have JNelson returning to run their offense. In other words, these teams may not have gained much, but they certainly didnt lose much, if any, either.

In sum, most fans would agree that retaining our core and adding Crawford makes us a better team, but better than the big 3 mentioned above?

Sautee

July 16th, 2009
10:59 am

Mark,

I don’t seem to remember Shaq clogging up the lane for DWade in ‘06. My memory of that Finals is DWade taking it to the rim over and over (and getting some truly bogus foul calls). Why didn’t Shaq clog the lane for DWade?

Methinks your premise is flawed.

Don’t underestimate Cleveland.

Anakin Joe

July 16th, 2009
11:03 am

Oh yeah, and how about a guard who can stop dribble penetration so that Horford or Smith aren’t sitting on the bench in foul trouble midway thru the 1st quarter? Anyone think that may have been a move worth considering to aid our maturing front court?

Mark Bradley

July 16th, 2009
11:03 am

OK, you’re right, Lawton. Just because a team has never gotten somewhere means it will never get anywhere. Just like Arizona will never play in a Super Bowl.

O'Brien

July 16th, 2009
11:08 am

Mark,

We may be closer to Cleveland. Maybe. However, DWade’s game is to drive to the hole, and he and Shaq still won a championship. And when Shaq goes to the bench, they bring in Big Z, who will open up the lane again. Who do we have to bang with Shaq/Big Z/Varajeo? Bibby cannot stop Mo Williams, and Delonte West does a decent job defensively on JJ. And they brought in Anthony Parker, which is a good pickup for them (he’ll probably matchup with Crawford off the bench).

I dont think we are any closer to Orlando and Boston. KG was injured last year (and there was no Rasheed) and Boston still won a lot more games than we did. And in a close game, coaching/execution is huge. And Woody is the worst coach out of all 4 (Mike Brown/Doc Rivers/StanVG).

Orlando still has Dwight Howard, Gortat backing him up, and they added Brandon Bass. We can’t bang down low with them (and Woodson refuses to make this team run).

And if I’m not mistaken, Vince Carter (Devin Harris/Lopez) beat up on the Hawks last year as members of the Nets, so Orlando porbably will again. Orlando won 66 games last year. Maybe they drop off and win 56. But I dont see how the Hawks can beat them when matched up.

Like AJ said. Sund needs to bring in some reinforcements down low.

DawginLex

July 16th, 2009
11:08 am

The east is Boston and everyone else even with Shaq joining Lebron.
Garnett healthy this past year and it would have been a Lakers Boston rematch.

Everybody else is playing for 3rd.

Mark Bradley

July 16th, 2009
11:15 am

Al Horford is 6-foot-10, 245 pounds. Zaza Pachulia is 6-11, 275. That’s plenty beefy. This isn’t the NFL.

Spud Webb

July 16th, 2009
11:25 am

The hawks are going to have another good year, I hope woody can develop this young point guard, I hope woody can develop anything for that matter.
Mark, nice blog, but I have to disagree with this statement in regards to sheed and KG “They both shoot jump shots. They’re both forwards, as opposed to post presences.”
Really??? KG has a great post up game and can use it when he wants. He can also shoot the J. Correct with sheed, but KG is a complete player, but plays to the style of his team. When he wants he can back anyone down and has a variety of post moves.

Nique

July 16th, 2009
11:25 am

Beautiful Monte

Now you asked the ? & I don’t wanna hear that stats don’t answer the ? or mean anything, because they do & I’m not gonna use highlight years either, I’m going off of career stats, which includes the good & the bad.

There are a # of things that I would be willing to do, the first option I’ll address is a trade option, I’d be willing to move either Williams or Smith & our additional 2cnd rounder next year (heck i’d give up both 2ncd rounders if need be)to Utah for Boozer & Kiralenko. Utah has decided that they wanna move him to make room to resign Milsap & Kiralenko has wanted out of there the last 3 years. AK-47 would bring a more intense defensive presence to the SF position & is an all around ball player & stat stuffer with a career average of 1.42 steal, 2.21 blocks, 2.8 ass. 12.5 ppg, & 5.8 reb. a game (within the deal we would need to rework his contract, but that’s normal in trades). Then Boozer is a proven low post threat which we desperately lack & has the skilll to step out & knock down the perimeter J & is a proven allstar
a career 16 & 10 guy.

But if they wanted to make a smaller splash, Patrick O’Bryant, & DeAndre Jordan, Brandan Wright, & Jermareo Davidson are all young big men who are sitting the bench who have alot of upside & that I’d be willing to part with 1 or both 2cnd round picks next year to acquire & of them Wright is the only one with a substantial cap #.

Now for Fee Agents we all know need another PF/C who hits the boards hard, can score in the low post, & can step out & hit the 15 ft jump shot. Defense would be great too, (but to find a FA with everything isn’t gonna happen this late in the game, other than odom maybe) Drew Gooden, Chris Wilcox, & Lamar Odon all fit this bill, lets make a move! We currently are 2 deep everywhere, (well baring SF as we wait on Marvin) except for PF, we just have Josh currently, we don’t need to resign Solomon, lets get some low post punch in here! Gooden career average 12 p & 8 re’s, Wilcox 9 & 5, & Odon 15 & 9. This is the most glaring missing piece to our puzzle!

Additionally, if we aren’t gonna allow R. Morris to play at Center, cut him & go pick up Theo Ratliff for additional insurance & defense, you could get him for the vet minimum & he could give you 8 to 10 minutes a game & he has a career average of 7.5 p 5.9 re’s & 2.5 blocks per game providing us with more interior size, strength, & defense.

I’m not the highest on Big Baby who has averaged 7 & 4 or Leon Powe 8 & 5 but they’re a definate improvements over Solo & what Morris provided & as is Hakim Warrick who has averaged 11.6 & 5 boards a game. All of these options are avaible, we all see & know it, so does Sund, so don’t make it appear as if none are out there, because they are & they are all intriguing.

Mark Bradley

July 16th, 2009
11:29 am

Garnett used to play in the post, I’ll agree. But now I only see the jump shots.

Nique

July 16th, 2009
11:37 am

Mark,

But to your commit about it not being the NFL, that’s 2 guys, what happens when 1 is hurt like Al was in the playoffs this past year, or if one is in fowl trouble, or is just plain off? What then? Not to mention that Al, the starter at Center is able to really match up against D. Howard, Big Z, Shaq, or K. Perkins who are 6-11 265, 7-3 260, 7-1 325, & 6-10 280. That’s not beefy enough, that’s a 15 pound differential & a 5 inch deficit for the closest guy weight wise. The fact is we get beat up in the paint, why try to deny it? & It’s not all about size either, Al couldn’t match up with KG either, he dominated him in that series 2 years ago, yes he’s young & KG’s probably a hall of famer, but that’s the reality, it’s not gonna change, Al’s not gonna get bigger, Zaza’s not gonna evolve much more than what he is now, & 2 big’s plus Smith, who’s not really a big, just isn’t enough!

honest_abe

July 16th, 2009
11:46 am

lol mb. you need to calm down. i know you’re on the bandwagon now but cmon. i’m one of the biggest hawks fans there is but i’m also a realist. the hawks managed to finish 4th in the east while chicago found it’s way. it can be easily argued that chicago was a better team by the end of the season. also washington didn’t have half of its players add that to their additions and they might be just as good as the hawks if not better. yes the hawks did make it out of the 1st round but they beat a horrible miami team. sure they can only play who their matched up against… but miami was dwade and a bunch of rookies. all i’m sayin is i don’t know if keeping this unit together is means for celebration. their needed to be some improvement not just the status quo. the hawks were outmanned inside all of last season and they didnt’ do a single thing to improve that weakness. yet you keep propping up sund like he’s going to be the executive of the year or something. for basically just keeping last years team intact.

let’s take a look. not one problem from last year was fixed while the rest of the conference improved… i hope i’m wrong but it doesnt’ bode well for our hawks.