And it’s a flying start to this pivotal Hawks’ offseason
I’d have preferred Eric Maynor, but I’m not going to gripe. The Hawks took the guy they liked at the position of greatest short- and long-term need, and at this point I’m disposed to give Rick Sund and his chief aide Dave Pendergraft the benefit of every doubt.
The Hawks greeted the week not knowing if they’d have anyone to handle the ball next season. They’re covered now. If Mike Bibby and/or Flip Murray signs somewhere else, they’ll be OK. If Bibby stays, they’ll be better than OK. Heck, if they handle Marvin Williams properly, they just might catch and pass Boston as the third-best team in the NBA East.
Jamal Crawford was an inspired acquisition, one of those there-has-to-be-a-catch coups: A guy who scored almost 20 points a game last season for two guys who barely played. And Jeff Teague was only the slightest of reaches with the draft’s 19th pick.
Maynor, who went one spot later, is older and more refined and a truer point guard, but Teague is the greater talent. He spent two years under Dino Gaudio at Wake Forest, meaning he was only lightly coached. Teague has, as they say in the trade, an upside.
There was no big man in the draft apt to offer immediate help at No. 19. B.J. Mullens of Ohio State is at least two years away. He averaged 8.8 points and 4.7 rebounds in a so-so Big Ten. To borrow a description once made of Mean Joe Greene vis-a-vis a lesser defensive tackle: Al Horford would knock B.J. Mullens down and stand on him.
The Hawks loaded up at the place they could conceivably have been understaffed, and now the emphasis shifts: Marvin Williams becomes a greater priority than Bibby (or Flip), and that’s another bit of good fortune/great planning. Because Marvin is a restricted free agent. The Hawks can keep him by matching any offer. Bibby and Flip — and Zaza Pachulia — are unrestricted. They can just up and leave.
Loading ...But they should — “should,” I say — get something for Marvin. (Let’s not forget they should have gotten something for Josh Childress last July and didn’t, but I’m thinking that was a one-off.) The worst that should happen is a sign-and-trade. The more likely outcome is that Williams signs a one-year qualifying offer to remain a Hawk and then becomes an unrestricted free agent next summer, and that wouldn’t be bad, either.
Retaining Marvin would mean five of the top seven players off a 47-win squad will stay together, and then factor in Crawford and Teague. And let’s assume the Hawks find the means to keep either Bibby or Flip. That’s not just stability. That’s a clear upgrade. And there was, given the looming personnel issue, no guarantee headed into the summer that the 2009-2010 Hawks would be nearly as good as their immediate predecessor.
And we’re seeing now that the best move the Hawks have made over the past 13 months had nothing to do with a player. Hiring Sund as general manager was generally viewed as a safe choice — not bad, but not brilliant. He started badly by letting Childress flit off to Greece, but every move since has been expertly handled. (Even the Hawks’ Round 2 pick — Sergiy Gladyr, a 19-year-old shooting guard from the Ukraine — could hit big in a couple of years.)
I’ve lived in Atlanta a quarter of a century, and much of that time I’ve devoted to tweaking the Hawks. But I’m not carping now, not even about the choice of Teague over Maynor. I’ve been given reason to believe this franchise is in capable hands. I’ve been given reason to believe in the Atlanta Hawks.
Yes, it feels a bit weird. But it also feels … nice.
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MannyT
June 26th, 2009
1:30 pm
It’s easy to say that Marvin is just a guy, but you need someone of that size to defend the LeBrons, Pierces, Turkoglus at the SF. Until you come up with someone else to do it, you need Marvin. The bonus is that he scores enough that those guys cannot rest all the time on defense.
Show me the just a guy to replace him for less and I’ll back off.
Chills was too sleight to defend the more physical guys. Mo and Mario are too short to do it on a regular basis. If Josh does it, then you need someone that can guard a PF in spurts or you play him at the SF full time and you need a Eurocenter with a jump shot to help with the perimeter offense.
I think too many folks are stuck on that #2 pick thing. Last I recall, players get selected in the draft, they don’t do the choosing.
BWAF
jarvis
June 26th, 2009
1:42 pm
J. Chil wasn’t an error in retrospect. Good thing we didn’t get into the mix with the kind of dough the Greeks were throwing around. It will be intresting to see if he stays over there or if he comes back to the NBA next season.
Having burning flares tossed into his huddle might lead Josh to consider things other than just the green in a return to the League.
niremetal
June 26th, 2009
1:47 pm
Co-sign MannyT.
RealSquawk
June 26th, 2009
1:49 pm
niremetal,
That may be the case. He isn’t the Hawks beat writer. He does however give an opinion that creates a vivid discussion about the Hawks. We might not always agree with what he says, but at least he is saying something and responding to us from time to time to defend his view. That’s all we can really ask from someone who isn’t the beat writer.
Hawks and Thrash,
Joe Johnson cannot play the three anymore.
MannyT,
I completely agree. (say it fast it rhymes:)
Jarvis,
Josh Childress wasn’t a mistake our general approach to that whole offseason was the problem, but you cannot blame it on Sund completely. He was just getting here if anything the ASG and Woody should have stepped in and said we will handle it. SEE the problem was the wait and get offers instead of lets work on a deal actively while we see what you bring in. Because of our reactionary approach Smith is signed to a relatively cheap contract based on his free agent class, but probably the most difficult to deal with because of extra clauses that require compensation upon trading. Had we just signed him to what grizzlies without the clauses then we might be sitting here with Rubio and Kaman and another first round pick or something like that. Childress felt disrespected by the lack of “we will come to an agreement approach” instead he was met with here are the rules and see if you can change them. Sund forgot Childress went to Stanford I guess and Chillz changed the rules.
Trey J
June 26th, 2009
1:49 pm
RIP Michael Jackson!
Gone to soon……
Now the Hawks they did exactly what they had to do.
No need to get mad at them this time. They also picked up a true scorer in Crawford and God knows we needed help when JJ got triple teamed. Sund get’s the benefit of the doubt from me and so far the dude ain’t made no big mistakes.
Go Hawks!!!
jarvis
June 26th, 2009
2:02 pm
Squawk – Don’t get me wrong, I have no problem with what Childress did; more power to him. I just think it will be interesting to see if he leaves all the rest of that money on the table to come back to the NBA. Things got a hectic to say the least with the Olympiacos.
I doubt he sticks around for that insanity.
jarvis
June 26th, 2009
2:06 pm
J. Chill:
“This did not help (our) team at all … the moment you play and you have found a rhythm, you cannot stop because (of violence) in the stands,” said Childress. “The violence we saw today, will make me think real hard over my future in Europe.”
KG
June 26th, 2009
2:44 pm
I have to disagree with Manny T. Chills is hands down a better defender than Marvin. Last season was the first time Marvin elevated himself from being a defensive liability. Do you remember the Boston series? Chills did a much more better job on Paul Pierce than Marvin. Marvin barely managed to get any minutes in the 4th quarter because Woody knew that Chills was the better option.
RealSquawk
June 26th, 2009
2:50 pm
Jarvis,
we are on the same page as far as that goes.
he rescinded that comment or said the opposite a couple of days later though, but I think that might have been just to protect his stock when returning to the NBA.
RealSquawk
June 26th, 2009
2:57 pm
KG,
That is very true, but like you said he elevated his defense he tapped into that potential and became a pretty good defender. So it would be pretty nice to have two excellent defenders who have a sense of an offensive game. ( that combination alone is rare. Ron Artest, Scottie Pippen) Just think about the how Shane Battier, Raja Bell, and Bruce Bowen were so treasured. We would have two of those guys with a better offensive game if we brought them back. (Marvin and Chillz).
BosnianBaller
June 26th, 2009
3:28 pm
I think the Hawks will have a better team than the Magic next year.Primarily because Hedo is gone and Carter is in.Hedo was the pulse of that team he makes everything go.Carter is a ball hog.I hope Hawks go out and sign Hedo and let Marvin go if possible.HAWKS are WINNING THE DIVISION
niremetal
June 26th, 2009
3:32 pm
We can’t sign Hedo, folks. There’s this little thing called “the salary cap” that prevents us from doing so.
BosnianBaller
June 26th, 2009
3:35 pm
We could of gotten him for 3 yrs 10 mill if we didn’t get crawford
MannyT
June 26th, 2009
3:48 pm
KG,
The fact I live with right now is that Chills isn’t available. That might change, but the decision is in his hands. I like Chills game, but he did zero for the Hawks in the 2008-09 season. Nevertheless, he is still too sleight to guard Lebron. By the time he returns (if he does) Pierce might be too old to worry about. Hopefully, Turkoglu heads to the Western conference.
That still leaves guys like Caron Butler, Gerald Wallace,Thad Young, etc. that I prefer that Joe not have to chase around most of the game at the SF. I don’t see smaller guys doing an effective job of it.
Finally, Marvin’s defense improved this past year. He’s not a stopper, but he is disruptive. He also made the 2nd most FT on the team even though he played 61 games.
That’s my take, but I understand some have different views.
BWAF
The Truth
June 26th, 2009
3:51 pm
One comment about Flip; Some on these blogs have suggested that since we have Crawford, we don’t need Flip. I disagree. Flip is a game changer and that is rare in the NBA. How many times have Flip come into a game and lifted the confidence of the team to victory? The suggestion the Flip is a ball-hog is unfair. Flip is a vet and has a high IQ for the game. Flip goes off offensively based on the lineup and timing. He gets a green light from Woody to do so. When JJ and Flip are both in the lineup; Flip plays an entirely different game. He can be a playmaker as well (although he does need to work on that part of his game more). If Flip can play with JJ, then Flip can also play with Crawford since JJ and Crawford have a similar ISO game. From an offensive prospective, can you imagine the scoring threat of having JJ, Crawford and Flip on the floor at the same time? You pick your poison. I’m sorry but Flip is a keeper. As a UFA, I know Flip wants to get paid and that is expected, but Flip also knows that his situation with the Hawks is unique. Very few NBA teams will allow him to play at his style and he knows it.
Volman
June 26th, 2009
4:02 pm
The Truth, +1. Amen to everything you said.
Wabe
June 26th, 2009
4:03 pm
I disagree with you about Maynord Bradley. Teague is a much more explosive gaurd that can shoot it and penetrate the lane. His vision may not be as good as Maynords, who in my opinon is much closer to Acie Law than Teague. But really, we said that we need someone to take some pressure off of JJ. And who knows, if this kid as good with the ball in his hand as advertised, then that should (along witht the addition of Crawford) take some of the scoring pressure off of JJ’s shoulders..
Honestly, I’m a bit happy that Lawson didn’t fall to us, because we need a PG that’s capable of playing within the halfcourt. Lawson is great and would’ve really complemented a team that loves to run, but that’s not something that TEAGUE is not capable of doing. He may not be as quick as Lawson getting from one end of the court to the other, but he loves to push it – so I’m assuming we’ll still be seeing those rim-rackers from Smoove and company. Personally, I see Lawson as being like a PG that also came out of UNC a few years back – RAYMOND FELTON. They both possess amazing speed and love to push. But, I see Teague a better option than Lawson in the halfcourt – where the Hawks struggled mightily this past season.
Now it all depends on whether Woody can actually handle the task of GROOMING A YOUNGSTER. We got some vets around the kid to make it a bit easier for him. I honestly think you throw him in there immediately. Look at guys like Mario Chalmers in Miami, who started the point for Miami this past season as a rookie. He got his share of action this past season on a much less talented team. I think Teague has the talent around him to assert himself pretty well into the offense.
One more note, IF WOODY SHOWS ANY SIGN OF SCREWING THIS PICK UP BY NOT GIVING HIM THE P.T. OR COACHING HIM UP – FIRE HIM. POINT BLANK.
MannyT
June 26th, 2009
4:03 pm
Truth,
I think we should offer Flip a contract, with a player option for yr 2. That job security might work for him. The messy part is that we don’t have Bird rights on him because he has only been here 1 season. So whatever you pay him comes from our MLE allocation. That means less money to sign a big man.
Don’t know if Flip would take the biannual exception. It would only offer him a small raise.
Things get real tricky with Bibby. Probably over the number of years as much as the money. If I am Bibby, I see this as my last good contract, so I’d want 4 or 5 years. I cannot see us offering him a long term deal.
By the end of this summer some of the 2008-09 Hawks that move on might blame you for their situation…because the truth hurts
BWAF
'Nique be da man
June 26th, 2009
4:04 pm
Jamal Crawford is pumped to come to ATL. Funny to think of someone going to the hawks to try and make their first career playoff appearance.
http://nba.fanhouse.com/2009/06/26/jamal-crawford-excited-about-atlanta/
Wabe
June 26th, 2009
4:06 pm
I also agree Truth.
I don’t know why these people see Crawford as an UPGRADE over FLIP. You keep FLIP and it’s an UPGRADE for the team. It adds depth to the bench, and gives you another scoring option in case some of the other guys are having an off night.
Volman
June 26th, 2009
4:08 pm
I love it Manny, but are you saying the Hawks need somebody to run around and worry about defense so people like Joe can put all of their focus on scoring? Hopefully having someone like Crawford (and maybe Teague to an extent if he can shine this first year) will let Joe be able to do some other things than chuck up a lot of shots, do the Iso-Joe, and play 40+ minutes every night.
Boy that would be nice.
Mark Bradley
June 26th, 2009
4:09 pm
I’ll say this again: No GM likes Flip Murray more than Rick Sund. If Flip doesn’t ask too much, he could well be back here. But I can’t see the Hawks keeping both Bibby and Flip now. That’s too many guards, if you can believe that.
Volman
June 26th, 2009
4:13 pm
Amen, Wabe. (I ALWAYS think about D-Wade when I see your name—AHH!!! haha)
Anyway, I think Crawford is a great ADDITION to the bench. This bench needs ADDITIONS, not replacements. Sure it is great to add Crawford, but it would be even better to get Zaza back and either Flip or Bibby. Crawford, like he said, could be a “missing piece” to this team’s woes in the playoffs. I honestly think he could. He’s not the difference in this team winning championships or not, but he brings a lot of fire power.
Come on BASG, bring back the “core” of this team, and keep up with your “additions” (like Crawford). Make sure Crawford isn’t a replacement…
Just an addition.
Volman
June 26th, 2009
4:15 pm
Speaking who “too many guards”, Mr. Bradley….
I’m SO much more happier looking at Teague, Crawford, Joe, Bibby, Flip than T-Lue, Anthony Johnson, Dan Dickau, and Royal Ivey.
Eek.
Volman
June 26th, 2009
4:16 pm
Ahh..”of”, not “who”…Sorry!
RealSquawk
June 26th, 2009
4:31 pm
on top of that Flip should be cheaper.
I don’t know Volman, those point guards were nice man!!!
Seriously I was sad to see T-Lue go!
Wabe
June 26th, 2009
4:32 pm
Bibby won’t be back..
Marvin > Bibby.
Plus, the kind of money Bibby’s trying to pull would literally diminish the Hawks chances of landing some key FA’s because the lack of cap space. They should be actively pursuing some BIGS and need the money to do that. And I kinda agree with someone who posted a comment about Bibby being on the market for a long-term deal. I think his mentality at this point would be to get a long term deal because this may be his last chance to get one.
Wabe
June 26th, 2009
4:35 pm
I would rather see a backcourt with Teague, JJ, Crawford, Marvin, and Flip.
Bibby’s been great for the Hawks, but HE’S NOT WORTH THE MONEY HE’S DEMANDING! Keeping Bibby would probably mean Marvin’s gone, and that would just make a smaller line up even smaller.
MannyT
June 26th, 2009
4:37 pm
Volman,
Don’t be a hater…Dickau had a song
http://impersonator.com/Dan.mp3
RealSquawk
June 26th, 2009
4:37 pm
Happy Belated B-day Marvin June 19th.
I hope everyone here buys their newspapers. cause somebody stole my Wednesday edition out of my yard.
Wabe
June 26th, 2009
4:44 pm
THE HAWKS ARE AT A POINT THAT TEAMS LIKE ORLANDO AND HOUSTON WERE AT A COUPLE YEARS BACK. THE TEAM AS THEY HAD IT WAS NOT CAPABLE OF DOING ANY BETTER THAN THEY DID LAST SEASON !WITHOUT! ADDING SOME DEPTH. THEY’VE BUILT A SOLID CORE – NOW IT’S TIME TO LOOK FOR GUYS WHO CAN COME OFF BENCH AND COMPLEMENT WHAT THEY’VE BUILT. BIBBY WAS NOT A PART OF THIS CORE – HE WAS A STOP-GAP MEASURE AT THE POINT! YOU DONT GET RID OF GUYS LIKE MARVIN – WHO I KNOW HASN’T LIVED UP TO THE HYPE – BUT IS A CORE PEICE ON THE TEAM TO RESIGN PLAYERS LIKE BIBBY!
LOOK AT WHERE THOSE TEAMS ARE NOW – THEY’RE DEEP AND ARE LEGITIMATE CONTENDERS – NOT PRETENDERS AS THE HAWKS WERE THIS PAST SEASON.
ADD DEPTH! GET SOME BIGS VIA FA! MAYBE MAKE A DEAL FOR A BIG/BACKUP PG IF YOU HAVE TO!
HINRICH AND MILLER? I’M NOT A FAN OF MILLER AND I HONESTLY DONT KNOW IF WE HAVE ANY DEADWEIGHT TO PUll OFF A TRADE…BUT THOSE ARE THE KIND OF DEALS THE HAWKS SHOULD BE LOOKING FOR.
O'Brien
June 26th, 2009
4:56 pm
Mark,
If the Hawks keep Flip, does that signal the end of Bibby?
After all, why would we need Bibby, Flip and Crawford? Flip and Crawford are similar players (they dominate the ball), so I dont think we need both. Personally, give me a PG who passes the ball, and plays defense. We have enough shooters (JJ, Crawford, Marvin). Plus our front court needs more shots. Bibby and Flip would take too many shots.
Mark Bradley
June 26th, 2009
4:58 pm
I think the only deal we’re apt to see now is a sign-and-trade with Marvin. The Hawks like what they have. I do, too.
RealSquawk
June 26th, 2009
5:26 pm
Could they do a sign and trade with Mike Bibby or Zaza since they have bird rights. Benefits they could sign them for more and pick up a player who has a contract from the non salary strangled era.
Tyger
June 26th, 2009
6:08 pm
Sund has performed admirably during his second offseason so far. I give credit where credit is due, but this 47 game win thing has little to do with Sund, that was BKs brain child, for better or worse. BK built the foundation of this team: Jsmoove, Marvin, Horford, JJ, Woody – any success this team has had over the past two season is owed to BK not Sund. Certainly, he inherited the position after all the hardwork and heartache was done, but that’s status quo.
But to Sunds credit, Crawford and Teague were solid moves. Jamal was homeless and Teague was very safe at 19 and a better pick than BJ Mullens. Why? Bigs take longer to develop so the likelihood of getting a return on your late pick investment is far greater with a lil guy than a big guy at that point. So, good choice there.
Much rather have seen Garret Siler in the 2nd round too, but keeping a kid in Europe saves salary and a roster spot and this is the ATL Spirit. And we all know what happens to ATLs Europeans…we’ll never see them again after last night.
But stashing the 2nd pick, preserves a roster spot for a returning vet or another free agent, which is a better proposition. The Hawks, not counting cap holds, have about $43M on the books, leaving another $15-$20M in cap room before the reach luxury tax territory.
They could re-sign Bibby – for what I dont know, ZaZa, Flip and Solo and add a big bruiser with low post skills like Drew Gooden or sign and trade for Camby, Kaman or Tyson Chandler – now that would be interesting and allow for Sund to really make his mark on this team.
Mo Evans, Flip, Crawford and Teague are foreplay, just a tease. C’mon man, strap up and hit it!
Shamwow Man
June 26th, 2009
6:18 pm
Why do so many of you guys want to get rid of Marvin Williams. He did really well for you all last year. If anything he needs to get a bigger role in the offense. He will go somewhere and be star. I like his game a lot better than Josh Smith.
SaintSparky
June 26th, 2009
6:21 pm
I still think we are too soft in the middle with just Al. With Shaq now coming East, and Dwight and maybe even Boozer, we need more presence in the middle. I hear all these trade rumors with Amare going to GS, why not to ATL ? I say give up Williams, Childress’ contract and next year’s first round pick, if necessary throw in Teague, and we could have an awesome starting five: C Stoudmire, PF Horford, SF Smith, SG Johnson, PG Sessions/Jack/Teague. GS more or less are just giving up Biedrins and bench players ! We need the Spirit ownership to finally spend some money, we’re finally close to something special and need to take that next step, not one step back !
WPinAZ
June 26th, 2009
6:26 pm
Additionally……I like Hedo for the Hawks. Remember…..It’s not where you finish the season….only that you make the PLAYOFFS. (see SAN ANTONIO???) Hedo is a gamer. We could use him, no doubt.
MannyT
June 26th, 2009
6:43 pm
Volman, my bad–I missed the earlier comment about someone focusing on defense. I’d prefer that your best offensive option not have to overwork himself at the SF when he is more of a threat/mismatch for other teams to worry about when he plays the SG.
Joe has an advantage over most SG. He does not have an advantage over most SF. He is bigger and stronger than the guards, not the forwards. Why take away from our best weapon.
No disrespect to the other guards, but they do not create the degree of mismatch that Joe does.
A SF that is bigger & longer also allows us more flexibility. It is better for Marvin to get caught on a PF or C after a pick & roll than Joe. Over the course of a season, I fear that it would be too much wear and tear on him…even if Woody finds a way to limit his minutes to 35/night.
The Lakers have Ariza to chase around SF, the Magic have Pietrus, Houston has Battier & Artest. It is not an odd concept to have a guy that can focus on slowing down the guy that is often the most athletic person on the other team.
BWAF
Volman
June 26th, 2009
8:03 pm
MannyT, Maybe THAT’S why Marvin doesn’t assert himself as much on offense in the games….!
It’s all coming clear now! He’s tired! haha
CaliHawks
June 26th, 2009
8:04 pm
great move 2 go get crawford.. acie never lead up to any of the hype he came out of college with.. Drafting teague im not sold on since we just got crawford i kno he aint a pg but really neither is teague he reminds me of a slash pg/sg that can score but dont like to pass (ben gordon).. I wouldve been happier with BJ Mullens at tha 19th pick and Patrick Mills at the 49th.. We would of gotten a true point and at least a big man to handle some of tha load of rebounds and blocks shots for horford and J smoove……
Wabe
June 26th, 2009
8:18 pm
I agree with Manny T on Marvin.
You can’t let go of Marvin for THAT reason + the versatility he brings to the team. Let’s be honest, IF THE HAWKS had a healthy Marvin, who do you think would’ve been gaurding LBJ? You want a player like Marvin to be able to defend players like LBJ or Hedu that are a bit bigger and pose matchup problems.
However, at the same time, you have to look for him to be more assertive on offense. Let’s be honest, if you had a healthy Marvin against Cleveland, WHO ON CLEVELAND’S ROSTER CAN MATCHUP WITH MARVIN OUTSIDE OF LBJ? Why do you think Orlando beat out Cleveland in the Easter Conference finals? Hedu + Rashard posed matchup problems for a much smaller + less athletic Cleveland front/back-court. If Cleveland put LBJ on Marvin, then you have two guys AS OF NOW that they could not account for – JJ and Crawford.
It makes TOO MUCH SENSE to bring back a natural SF than to put someone at the 3 who would technically be playing out of position. JJ couldn’t stay on the opposing 3 AND be the leading offensive threat for the Hawks.
Marvin, JJ, Crawford, Teague, Smoove, Horford, Flip, Zaza.
Build around that. Get some guys on the bench that could come in and play valuable minutes whenever these guys need a breather. Like I said in a earlier post, if guys like Gardner or Morris can’t provide that bench play, you get rid of them. LOOK AT HOUSTON – they had guys like Landry and Von Wafer coming off the bench providing adequete bench play.
The Truth
June 26th, 2009
8:33 pm
MannyT
I agree, we don’t have Bird Rights (yet) and it will get messy re-signing Flip. I don’t know what Flip made when he was a Pacer, but he made only 1M last year as a Hawk. If we offer him a raise at 125% at 2.25M/year from the MLE and offer him a 2 year option that will put him over into Bird Rights or some derivative starting next season. We could than offer him an extension under Early-Bird in 2010 with 175% raise from the 2.25M salary. It will have to be a level of trust to make this work, no doubt. But it is only 1.25M hit off the MLE. All the other teams over the cap will be faced with the same scenario if considering signing Flip and that’s most of the teams. I’m not sure if Flip wants to be a journey player bouncing from team to team every year. He will never get paid his true value that way and he knows it.
nunna yo bizznezz
June 26th, 2009
8:59 pm
rip mj..love u..
rip ed..loved u 2..
farrah,u know i had a crush on u for da longest..rip babygirl..
woodson is not gonna let teague develope..i don’t believe that sund is that slow to see it!
who on here got the chance to hear woodson on the tnt broadcast when he told his guys,”we need to drive to the hoop and get some fouls on these guys,and get to the line”..he drew no x’s or o’s..didn’t even draw up a play for them to come out of that time out..and hubie mentioned it..then hubie mentioned how the team did the opposite of what woody asked them to do..
they went on the next 4 possesions and shot an out side jumpshot,and 3 missed 3 pointers,by,josh,flip,and bibbs…
its like,they wanted to get him fired..he has no control over this team..
as long as he is good gracious with sund,he will have his job and blame his failures on everybody else…
ant banks
June 26th, 2009
10:05 pm
regardless of who the hawks add, they will are in a 4way tie for the 4th seed: 1.clev 2.orlando 3.boston 4.Hawks, Philly, Chicago, Miami.
we will definitely make the playoffs again, thereby solidyfin’ woody’s existence as coach. woody will get a 2yr extenstion for takin’ the hawks to playoffs 3times!!
RealSquawk
June 26th, 2009
10:30 pm
Wabe,
You speak the words of a wise man.
Dose Of REALITY
June 26th, 2009
10:30 pm
The Deal with Crawford is THIS. He is here to REPLACE Bibby and Hell maybe even JOE year after next. If you think the HAWKS are going to the 2nd round of the PlayOFFs again with the LOSS of Bibby and the addition of Teague and Crawford you should check yourself into REHAB!! Bibby wants 10 mil. The HAWKS are offering 2 mil a GAS card and a Free Pass to Six Flags. The HAWKS were NOTHING REPEAT NOTHING until he came here. To me thats worth at least 7 or 8 mil for that mere fact alone. Money issues are navigating this TEAM. My thing is you cut payroll to save money, but you get a suckazz team that nobody comes to see Play. So you lose the money you saved at THE GATE! Then again u cant get blood from a Turnip. PLUS you still need a Quality big. Say hello to the Lottery Hawks Fans!!! IM DONE!!!!!!
nunna yo bizznezz
June 26th, 2009
11:15 pm
wabe..
i love marvins game too..its sad that woody can’t design an offense that he could take advantage of marvin and jj in the game at the same time..
did u see how he performed when joe was out..averaging 27ppg..
when joe came back,BAMM,marvins production went down..
yes he has quite a few injuries in his tenure here but,i would still keep him..
and as for the bench..who says we don’t have one..
othello,gardner,west,and acie all played well in the cavs lost when they got increased minutes..woody should have built on that,but instead,he had those guys in street clothes the next game and he put out a banged up team that got beaten worse than the previous game..
when they sent othello and gardner to the d-league,they outshined every thing in the d-league for those 3 games..yes i know,its the d-league,but,is that not what u are supposed to do when u play pro,and u are sent down to play in the d-league??
my hawks team for next year?
flip-teague pg
joe-crawford-thomas gardner sg
marvin williams-mo evans sf
josh smith-othello hunter pf
theo ratliff-randolph morris-siler from augusta state CENTER
nunna yo bizznezz
June 26th, 2009
11:18 pm
yo..disregard everything i wrote in the box above me..
everything except me agreeing with wabe…
im drunk,and just went rattling..
godsnite people
Wabe
June 26th, 2009
11:26 pm
Point taken bizznezz.
I agree with what you’re saying about Gardner, Morris, and the others who ride the bench for the majority of the season, and I’m not trying to sound like I’m knocking on their game, but the point I was trying to drive across was this:
If Woody’s not comfortable getting those guys in the game, then Sund needs to get some players he is comfortable with. I’M HONESTLY RUNNING OUT OF PATIENCE WITH WOODY AND HIS EXCUSES. If SUND gets guys on the bench that are capable of providing minutes, then Woody has no excuse to throw at Sund for rotation, lack of depth, or development reasons.
The Hawks cannot rely on a 6 or 7 man rotation. They can’t put so much on the shoulders of just a few.