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		<title>By: Braves73</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/mark-bradley-blog/2009/06/05/when-dealing-with-legends-theres-rarely-an-exit-strategy/comment-page-4/#comment-18275</link>
		<dc:creator>Braves73</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 14:14:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, how long are we going to stew over this...?? Glavine was a GREAT pitcher for our beloved Braves, but the appropriate word was GREAT. He no longer is at the level of a servicable major leagur pitcher and he needs to com to grips with this. 

In regards to the Braves handling of this situation...PATHETIC! Frank Wren is single handly turning the Braves front office into a major league joke. He certainly didn&#039;t ingratiate himself to any fans with the Smoltz drama and completely botched the Glavine deal. He would have been much better served approaching Tommy and telling him that the club is 95% leaning towards bringing the rookie up. The PR nightmare that Wren has created is not only going to affect this team in the long term (other potential players are certainly taking notice) and it seems the team is in stunned shock over this incident...and showing it right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, how long are we going to stew over this&#8230;?? Glavine was a GREAT pitcher for our beloved Braves, but the appropriate word was GREAT. He no longer is at the level of a servicable major leagur pitcher and he needs to com to grips with this. </p>
<p>In regards to the Braves handling of this situation&#8230;PATHETIC! Frank Wren is single handly turning the Braves front office into a major league joke. He certainly didn&#8217;t ingratiate himself to any fans with the Smoltz drama and completely botched the Glavine deal. He would have been much better served approaching Tommy and telling him that the club is 95% leaning towards bringing the rookie up. The PR nightmare that Wren has created is not only going to affect this team in the long term (other potential players are certainly taking notice) and it seems the team is in stunned shock over this incident&#8230;and showing it right now.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 11:27:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Baseball players are the biggest cry babies in sports!  I don&#039;t feel sorry for Glavine one bit, maybe he should work a real job and stop living in La LA Land.
What a joke.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Baseball players are the biggest cry babies in sports!  I don&#8217;t feel sorry for Glavine one bit, maybe he should work a real job and stop living in La LA Land.<br />
What a joke.</p>
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		<title>By: tony</title>
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		<dc:creator>tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 08:39:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a bad spirit hovering around Atlanta and starts with the fact that white folks hate the idea that the City of Atlanta is a black city and in return black folks express their animosity towards them.

Open your eyes people, you gave the devil a footstool. Because of your hatred you are reaping your awards; (bad sports teams)and lost of big businesses. James 4:7 said if you oppose the devil he will flee.

There&#039;s a reason NY Yankees have won 26 World Championships since 1923. They treat their players with respect and black folks don&#039;t have an issure about NY being a white city. Good spirit hovers around NY and other Cities in America because people live and let live.

If the City of Atlanta don&#039;t get its act together morally, it will become a destitute city.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a bad spirit hovering around Atlanta and starts with the fact that white folks hate the idea that the City of Atlanta is a black city and in return black folks express their animosity towards them.</p>
<p>Open your eyes people, you gave the devil a footstool. Because of your hatred you are reaping your awards; (bad sports teams)and lost of big businesses. James 4:7 said if you oppose the devil he will flee.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a reason NY Yankees have won 26 World Championships since 1923. They treat their players with respect and black folks don&#8217;t have an issure about NY being a white city. Good spirit hovers around NY and other Cities in America because people live and let live.</p>
<p>If the City of Atlanta don&#8217;t get its act together morally, it will become a destitute city.</p>
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		<title>By: the rickster</title>
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		<dc:creator>the rickster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 01:34:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And Chipper, only 37, left tonight&#039;s game with dizziness.  Age plays a part in this game; although I would love to be 37 again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And Chipper, only 37, left tonight&#8217;s game with dizziness.  Age plays a part in this game; although I would love to be 37 again.</p>
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		<title>By: the rickster</title>
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		<dc:creator>the rickster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 01:30:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Mark, how else can it be said.  You said it best, summed it up...&quot;And it’s the guys who were once the best players who can’t seem to grasp they’re just not as good anymore.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Mark, how else can it be said.  You said it best, summed it up&#8230;&#8221;And it’s the guys who were once the best players who can’t seem to grasp they’re just not as good anymore.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: ac</title>
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		<dc:creator>ac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 00:44:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Correct me if I&#039;m wrong, but didn&#039;t Glavine give the Braves the heave-ho a couple of years ago to join the Mets -- not just a division rival but a team in a cold-weather city where Glavine statistically has struggled. His motivation clearly was about one thing: his wallet.

Why does Atlanta owe Glavine, Smoltz or Maddux anything? They all had very successful careers that created significant bank accounts, brought the city one whopping World Series championship, then left for big bucks once other teams were willing to overpay for their deteriorating services.

Glavine, Smoltz and Maddux all had good runs in Atlanta, and all were generously compensated during that time. Unfortunately, each has demonstrated that they didn&#039;t know when to pull their snouts from the trough. Major League Baseball is a business, not an entitlement program for aging stars. If Braves fans want winning teams to become the norm once again, they need to understand that players past their prime don&#039;t warrant overinflated contracts, which undermine teams&#039; ability to sign rising and current stars. 

Glavine, Smoltz and Maddux were paid handsomely when they actually contributed something positive to the Braves&#039; win-loss record. Am I the only blogger on this site who doesn&#039;t expect to get a huge signing bonus and an obsene salary when I&#039;m 60 just because I was really successful in my 30s and 40s?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correct me if I&#8217;m wrong, but didn&#8217;t Glavine give the Braves the heave-ho a couple of years ago to join the Mets &#8212; not just a division rival but a team in a cold-weather city where Glavine statistically has struggled. His motivation clearly was about one thing: his wallet.</p>
<p>Why does Atlanta owe Glavine, Smoltz or Maddux anything? They all had very successful careers that created significant bank accounts, brought the city one whopping World Series championship, then left for big bucks once other teams were willing to overpay for their deteriorating services.</p>
<p>Glavine, Smoltz and Maddux all had good runs in Atlanta, and all were generously compensated during that time. Unfortunately, each has demonstrated that they didn&#8217;t know when to pull their snouts from the trough. Major League Baseball is a business, not an entitlement program for aging stars. If Braves fans want winning teams to become the norm once again, they need to understand that players past their prime don&#8217;t warrant overinflated contracts, which undermine teams&#8217; ability to sign rising and current stars. </p>
<p>Glavine, Smoltz and Maddux were paid handsomely when they actually contributed something positive to the Braves&#8217; win-loss record. Am I the only blogger on this site who doesn&#8217;t expect to get a huge signing bonus and an obsene salary when I&#8217;m 60 just because I was really successful in my 30s and 40s?</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 00:39:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>while it may be true that Tommy G should have and could have been handled differently. The bottom line is the Braves should have never brought him back. You build a team with your young players and win that is how you fill seats not by bringing back legends. Frank Wren has proved to be a joke he has handled nothing with class yet. He has compounded one bad decision after another. If the Braves want to get back to being the franchise that everyone wants to copy,go find a GM that has a clue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>while it may be true that Tommy G should have and could have been handled differently. The bottom line is the Braves should have never brought him back. You build a team with your young players and win that is how you fill seats not by bringing back legends. Frank Wren has proved to be a joke he has handled nothing with class yet. He has compounded one bad decision after another. If the Braves want to get back to being the franchise that everyone wants to copy,go find a GM that has a clue.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Lentz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Lentz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 00:37:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Last year was the year that Braves management wasted money on injured pitchers like Tom Glavine ($8 mil), John Smoltz ($13 mil), Mike Hampton ($18 mil) and Tim Hudson ($13 mil).  Hudson&#039;s $13 mil comes off the books after this season.  Going into this off season, Braves management knew that they had $13 mil of the payroll that was going to be paid to an injured player (Hudson).  The Braves could not afford to give money (and valuable roster spots) to 2, injured, old, past their prime pitchers (Smoltz and Glavine).  The Braves had a $97 mil payroll when the season started (with an additional $3.5 mil budgeted to adding Tom Glavine to the roster).  It was essential that the Braves spend money on players who had a history of staying healthy.  Other than Jair Jurrgens, the Braves had no one who could get into th 6th-7th innings consistently last year.  This year, that is the norm.  By the way, how many innings has John Smoltz pitched this year?  ZERO.  Frank Wren wisely retooled the rotation.  Our starting pitching this year is not the problem.  OFFENSE is the problem.  Yet many of you morons cry about not having Smoltz and Glavine.  As a TRUE Braves fan, all I can say is that I am so glad that some of you morons will never run the Braves.  Some of you would rather go to the ball park and watch an &quot;old timers game&quot; where the Braves get rocked....than you would see the Braves win without your favorite players.  Be honest and admit that you have more loyalty to the player than the team.  I&#039;ll stick to being loyal to the TEAM.  

I, for one, am pretty happy with how Frank Wren has retooled the team.  One move I would not have made was signing Tom Glavine to begin with.  However, the team protected themselves with only guaranteeing the $1 mil signing bonus.  Another move I would have made was getting rid of Franceour long ago.  There is NO way that the Braves can make a run at this without getting a power hitting right handed right fielder.  Also, while Garrett Anderson has been a cheap, serviceable left fielder, the move I would have made was signing Orlando Hudson (which I advocated for in January and February on this website), and put him at second base (lead-off hitter) and put Kelly Johnson in left field.  Hudson signed a 1 year, $3.3 mil contract with the Dodgers.  What a BARGAIN!

Still, no use in crying over spilled milk. Frank Wren ended up doing the right thing for the Braves team by cutting Glavine.  He also made a fantastic move in acquiring Nate McLouth, who by the way is having a nice game right now.  He&#039;s 1-2 with a walk and a stolen base (should be 2-2 if Escobar hadnt made that base running blunder).  

I think it is great that the Braves have a chance to go from dishing out almost $50 mil to injured players last year....to not having any really bad contracts going into this off season (provided they dont tender Jeff Franceour and get rid of him.  I&#039;d had to see how much he&#039;ll end up getting in salary arbitration).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last year was the year that Braves management wasted money on injured pitchers like Tom Glavine ($8 mil), John Smoltz ($13 mil), Mike Hampton ($18 mil) and Tim Hudson ($13 mil).  Hudson&#8217;s $13 mil comes off the books after this season.  Going into this off season, Braves management knew that they had $13 mil of the payroll that was going to be paid to an injured player (Hudson).  The Braves could not afford to give money (and valuable roster spots) to 2, injured, old, past their prime pitchers (Smoltz and Glavine).  The Braves had a $97 mil payroll when the season started (with an additional $3.5 mil budgeted to adding Tom Glavine to the roster).  It was essential that the Braves spend money on players who had a history of staying healthy.  Other than Jair Jurrgens, the Braves had no one who could get into th 6th-7th innings consistently last year.  This year, that is the norm.  By the way, how many innings has John Smoltz pitched this year?  ZERO.  Frank Wren wisely retooled the rotation.  Our starting pitching this year is not the problem.  OFFENSE is the problem.  Yet many of you morons cry about not having Smoltz and Glavine.  As a TRUE Braves fan, all I can say is that I am so glad that some of you morons will never run the Braves.  Some of you would rather go to the ball park and watch an &#8220;old timers game&#8221; where the Braves get rocked&#8230;.than you would see the Braves win without your favorite players.  Be honest and admit that you have more loyalty to the player than the team.  I&#8217;ll stick to being loyal to the TEAM.  </p>
<p>I, for one, am pretty happy with how Frank Wren has retooled the team.  One move I would not have made was signing Tom Glavine to begin with.  However, the team protected themselves with only guaranteeing the $1 mil signing bonus.  Another move I would have made was getting rid of Franceour long ago.  There is NO way that the Braves can make a run at this without getting a power hitting right handed right fielder.  Also, while Garrett Anderson has been a cheap, serviceable left fielder, the move I would have made was signing Orlando Hudson (which I advocated for in January and February on this website), and put him at second base (lead-off hitter) and put Kelly Johnson in left field.  Hudson signed a 1 year, $3.3 mil contract with the Dodgers.  What a BARGAIN!</p>
<p>Still, no use in crying over spilled milk. Frank Wren ended up doing the right thing for the Braves team by cutting Glavine.  He also made a fantastic move in acquiring Nate McLouth, who by the way is having a nice game right now.  He&#8217;s 1-2 with a walk and a stolen base (should be 2-2 if Escobar hadnt made that base running blunder).  </p>
<p>I think it is great that the Braves have a chance to go from dishing out almost $50 mil to injured players last year&#8230;.to not having any really bad contracts going into this off season (provided they dont tender Jeff Franceour and get rid of him.  I&#8217;d had to see how much he&#8217;ll end up getting in salary arbitration).</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Bradley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Bradley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 00:27:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just posted a Bradley&#039;s Buzz regarding &lt;strong&gt;Ken Rosenthal&#039;s&lt;/strong&gt; report on &lt;strong&gt;FoxSports&lt;/strong&gt; of &lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.ajc.com/mark-bradley-blog/2009/06/06/bradleys-buzz-aggrieved-glavine-might-file-grievance/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;a possible Glavine grievance.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just posted a Bradley&#8217;s Buzz regarding <strong>Ken Rosenthal&#8217;s</strong> report on <strong>FoxSports</strong> of <a href="http://blogs.ajc.com/mark-bradley-blog/2009/06/06/bradleys-buzz-aggrieved-glavine-might-file-grievance/" rel="nofollow">a possible Glavine grievance.</a></p>
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		<title>By: varodrunner</title>
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		<dc:creator>varodrunner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 00:04:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As far as this grievance against the Braves - It hass now reached the point where all I have to say is F*** Tom Glavine - You Fn cry-baby</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as this grievance against the Braves &#8211; It hass now reached the point where all I have to say is F*** Tom Glavine &#8211; You Fn cry-baby</p>
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