How the Atlanta Hawks just might stay together after all

Given that Rick Sund only went one-for-two on keeping last summer’s key free agents, the inclination is to think he might pull a Jeff Francoeur and bat .250 (or worse) this time around. But I’m thinking Sund will do better. I’m thinking the Hawks have a real chance to keep this team together, provided two things happen:

1. The economy stays bad.
2. Nobody gets mad.

“I like the core of this club,” Sund said this week. “I’d like to keep as much of it together as I can.” His endorsement is a major factor: It means he likes what he has and wants to add, not subtract.

Sund inherited last summer’s free agents, and it’s no secret he valued Josh Childress less than ownership did. The fractious Atlanta Spirit actually gave the new general manager permission to exceed the salary cap on Childress – you can do that to keep your own free agents – and Sund declined.

Sund has a clear idea as to what he feels guys are worth. He took a media hit, in this space and others, for letting Childress leave, but Sund stuck to his numbers. (Note also that Sund didn’t offer Mike Woodson, whom he says “did a good job this year,” a contract extension Thursday.) If it’s reasonable to assume this GM doesn’t see the 32-year-old Mike Bibby as worth $15 million, which is what he made last season, it’s reasonable others won’t, either.

A lot of real money has been lost these past nine months, and even the millionaires who own NBA teams aren’t worth what they were. If the economy doesn’t spike upward the next five weeks, Free Agency 2009 isn’t apt to be a flurry of free spending.

Is another club apt to see Bibby as its missing piece and hand him, say, $10 million a year? (At his age, there’s no way he gets $15 million from anybody.) Is any team apt to see Marvin Williams, who made $5.6 million last season, as worth $9 million? (Remember, Josh Smith got $58 million over five seasons last summer, and that was because the economy cratered. And Smith is clearly the better player.)

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A bad economy favors the Hawks, who have committed only $40 million for 2009-2010. (The salary cap was $59 million in 2008-2009.) A bad economy would allow Sund to say, “You can take a bit more cash to go lose games in Minneapolis, or you can stay where you know something good is happening. Your choice.”

Sometimes that pitch works. It didn’t with Childress because he saw playing in Greece as a life experience, not just a career move, and it didn’t because what GMs called “the spite factor” kicked in. Childress thought he was worth more and got mad when Sund disagreed. Bibby might do the same. So might Williams. More than money, spite will be the determinant of this offseason.

Two guesses: Flip Murray will re-sign with the Hawks – no GM likes Flip, who has played almost everywhere, more than Sund – and Zaza Pachulia will leave. The destinations of Bibby and Williams seem more a coin flip, but the Hawks do have this working for them:

The coin in question? It’s no longer a silver dollar. It’s one thin dime.

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ant banks

May 22nd, 2009
11:22 am

am i first??

All I'm Saying Is...

May 22nd, 2009
11:25 am

Unless the dollars don’t work, ZaZa needs to be retained — as a valuable back-up — because he knows his role and plays hard.

We need to do a sign and trade using Marvin to trade up in the draft and pick Thabeet (7′ 3″ and 275 lbs) to have a defensive presence in the middle.

If he will take the market rate for coming off the bench and accept that he will not be a starter much longer, re-sign Bibby as the team responded to his point guard leadership.

Last, sign Andre Miller as our new point guard. He’s an unrestricted free agent with size and experience.

Mark Bradley

May 22nd, 2009
11:25 am

I believe you are, AB. Kudos!

ant banks

May 22nd, 2009
11:30 am

MB,

Sund did an excellent job last year considerin’ that he did not overspend, went on the cheap and got us a fourth seed and 2nd round playoff birth.

He may think that this is the rule, rather than the exception.

I like the rookies that have been tossed around for the Hawks at 19, but if we get a guard, how do you think that Woodson would treat this guy compared to Law? Woody clearly hates rookies.

I think that they East is goin’ to be stronger next year. We still have to contend with the Big 3 Boston, Clev, and Orlando, but we have to be concerned about Indy, Miami, Washington, Charlotte, Chicago, and Philly (in no order).

Can we really expect to maintain or improve in light of the aforementioned?

Foster

May 22nd, 2009
11:33 am

I would love to see all four of those guys back but I honestly don’t see it as realistic. Draft a PG like Flynn, Mayor, or Teague in the first round, try to get Bibby back for another year or two, and then try to resign Pachulia or even get Rasheed in here for a year or two for a deep playoff run. We could use a true center…wouldn’t mind a sign-and-trade with Marvin for a guy like Thabeet, but I don’t wanna give up on Marv just yet.

ant banks

May 22nd, 2009
11:33 am

I AM TIRED OF PEOPLE SAYIN’ THAT WE NEED TO PACKAGE A DEAL TO MOVE FROM 19 TO 2 TO GET THABEET.

it ain’t gonna happen!!! stop it i say. like teams 3-18 ain’t thinkin’ like that.

ant banks

May 22nd, 2009
11:33 am

FOSTER,

what would you do with Law

niremetal

May 22nd, 2009
11:42 am

I actually think that Zaza is very likely to stay put. He’s a back-up center no matter where he goes and he clearly has found a comfort zone in the U.S, version of Georgia. As long as we give him what he’s worth ($5M-$6M, I’d say), I can’t imagine him bolting for elsewhere.

I agree that Smith is a more talented player, but Marvin is a better SF than Smoove, and I think Horford will turn out to be a better PF than Smoove – which is why I think Smoove should be viewed as expendable, his tweener talent notwithstanding. Marvin is one of those guys who is better than his stats indicate, as anyone who actually watched him when he was healthy this year knows (Sekou said he was having a “breakout season” for a reason). My fear is that another team has their eye on Marvin already, and will make a frontloaded offer for him upfront that catches us off-guard. The only thing that makes that less likely is the fact that Detroit, Oklahoma City, and Memphis are the only decent teams with enough of cap room to sign him straight up – and he doesn’t make great sense for any of those teams since they already have Prince, Durant, and Gay, respectively. My biggest fear is that Utah will make a run at him, but they’d only have enough cap room if Boozer, Okur, and Korver all opt out.

We shall see…

Childress is the X-factor. Won’t even begin to speculate as to what will happen with him.

niremetal

May 22nd, 2009
11:44 am

Heh…I meant “teams with enough of cap room” there. Clearly, OKC and Memphis are not “decent” teams…

shayne Light

May 22nd, 2009
11:45 am

Sund should try to sign Jason Kidd. Then Sign and trade Marvin Williams for Shaq. Throw in Acie law and Craig Claxton contract plus a draft pick or two and this could happen. resign Flip Murray. And draft either Ty Lawson, D. Collison from UCLA, or B.J. Mullen.

This team needs Veteran Leadership that has won a title or at least been to the finals, if they want to contend!

niremetal

May 22nd, 2009
11:49 am

One more typo – I meant that Smoove is more expendable than Marvin, not that he really was expendable. I say we only should trade him if we can land a legit big man who will get us a guaranteed 10 boards a game and would allow us to slide Horford over to PF – and there aren’t too many guys who fit that description.

The Smoove-vs-Marvin debate is long-running on Sekou’s blog. My impression is that the more consistently people watch Hawks games, the more highly they value Marvin. I just think it’s one of those cases where Smoove is pretty much exactly as good as his stats indicate, but Marvin is better than his stats indicate.

HawkDawg

May 22nd, 2009
11:54 am

ZaZa is the heart of this team. He likes to dish out hard fouls. In fact, he is the ONLY Hawks who will get physical. We are already soft. Let’s not make it worse.

Mac

May 22nd, 2009
11:59 am

Josh Smith is far superior to Marvin Williams. I can’t even see why there would be any question about that. I think Mark as stated it well. Williams is just a guy, while Smith is a difference maker.

Mac

May 22nd, 2009
12:01 pm

Moses Malone and Reggie Theus are just the pieces to get us over the top.

Howard

May 22nd, 2009
12:07 pm

Mark, Doesn’t it seem wrong that as fans we are told to be patient while younger players develop only to lose them to free agency when they have? If the Hawks won’t spend the money for free agents or to keep our younger players when they develop and reach eligibility for free agency isn’t the Team really saying that we will always be rebuilding?

Oz

May 22nd, 2009
12:16 pm

Mac, I agree but I want to keep both of them. Depth gentleman, Depth…As we all saw what happens when one our starters from the front court get hurt. We were very very thin with the Bigs…Smooth is versatile and explosive but Marvin is consistent. My sentiments is we need another Agile, shot blocker with toughness. Antonio McDyess comes to mind..I don’t like Rashad Wallace to inconsistent and not sure if he is still motivated. Keep Bibby for less of course. Keep Za Za, Flip, and let Acie go and pick up new blood…Whichever the best point available, Flynn or my favorite LAWSON…Speed guy with an improved jump shot. Just my two cents.

EJH

May 22nd, 2009
12:26 pm

In my opinion keeping this young group of players together is very important. For Marvin, Josh Smith, Horford, and acie Law, this is coming up on their 3rd year together and they are only 22 -23 years of age respectfully. You do not groom these guys in the league so someonelse can reap the reward by taking on a veteran for 2-3 years who will then be finished in the league. You want to have a run like the Spurs where you are in contention every year. The Hawks have a group of guys who are almost there, but not quite.

The thought of trading Marvin, who I think is your more consistent player than anyone on the team is ridiculous. The game in Denver where the Hawks lost 110 to 109 Marvin williams matched Carmelo anthony; he had 31 points in that game, he also had 30 points in a game against the Bobcats, where he was 5-15 from the field, but realized his shot was not falling and got to the free throw line 20 times and went 18-20. you do not trade talent like that for a scrub veteran.

I hate to say this but bringing Josh Childress back to be this teams future two guard is probably the right thing to do. He is going to come cheaper than Joe Johnshon’s 15 million per year. If you go back and look at childress’s numbers he average doube digit points off the bench and 6-7 rebounds, 4 assists and almost 1.5 steals, plus he is a better defender and willing participant to pass the ball and not pound it into the floor waiting on double teams. This team is so similar to the Nuggets that it is rediculous. The Nuggets have Dahntay Jones as their starting shooting guard, please. Also to get to the next level guys need to realize that they are going to have to make sacrifices in there games to achieve high levels of success. Josh Smith is going to have to say my goal is to rebound the basketball, block shots, and play great defense, and run the floor and play in the post. Not to put myself in position where I hurt the team. If Joe Johnson stays around he is going to have to realize to that he hurts the team whe he puts up 20 to 25 shots a game and only hits 7 or 8 shots. he must say I am going to drive the ball to the rim and play inside out basketball when the double teams come. To many times this season the hawks shot jumpshots out the double teams instead of getting easier buckets closer to the rim. Each guy has to decide what he is going to sacrifice in his game for the greater good of the team.

Jason

May 22nd, 2009
12:28 pm

I think that the hawks need to try to retain the team from last year. The one position I would look at moving is the PG Bibby. While he has done a great job of moving the hawks from young raw talent, I think we need a guy that plays a higher tempo. We need a PG that can do a bit more slashing than Bibby does. This is in no way a jab at Bibby, but I just think we could find a better fit for this roster.

On anohter note, I still think there is room for imporvement from the young player we have. It would not be a reach to assume that Horford is going to develop more as a scorer and rebounder, especially as he learns some more of the veteran “tricks.”

Smith is a fine player. His problem is he has no midrange jumper. Teams are able to lay off of him, which takes his slashing ability away. IF he were to be able to develop a somewhat consistatnt 15 footer, that would open his ability to take th ball to the hoop. Josh has imporved every year, so it would not be out of the question to assume he could develop the midrange jumper.

Marvin William is still a very young player. Though he has been in the leauge for 4 years, he came out of college after his freshemen year, meaning he is still very young. I think Marvin could be a nice piece in Atlanta to go along with the other pieces we have.

Again, I still think we need to imporve the PG position, but outside of that, there is no reason to give up on any of the young guys on the roster.

Mark Bradley

May 22nd, 2009
12:41 pm

Sund knows the league. There’s no doubt about that. And his acquisition of Flip Murray and Mo Evans after Josh Childress left was the difference between these Hawks struggling to break .500 and them finishing 47-35.

Mark Bradley

May 22nd, 2009
12:42 pm

And I think Acie Law is all but gone. I didn’t get into his situation because I wanted this to be about the free agents, but I I don’t see a place for him here.

Mac

May 22nd, 2009
12:44 pm

I agree with you, Oz. Keep ‘em both. Flush the bottom of the roster and upgrade from there.

NC Braves Fan

May 22nd, 2009
12:48 pm

Mark – if you were running the Hawks, how would you prioritize the player signings and their relationships to the other players? Do you make re-signing Bibby the #1 priority, or do you start with Marvin (sign or sign and trade) and work your way down the list?

For my money, I get Bibby on a one or two year deal #1, try to sign and trade Marvin for a player with a skill set that fits the team a little better – and I would definitely try to re-sign Flip.

As for Zaza, I’d follow the same kind of parameters as with Marvin and if a better player fit can’t be found through trade or FA signing, try to bring Zaza back.

Mark Bradley

May 22nd, 2009
12:53 pm

Gee, NC, that sounds like the first question I asked Rick Sund this week, and he pretty much ducked it. I, on the other hand, will not.

I think — and this is just me, OK? — that keeping Bibby is No. 1, slightly ahead of Marvin. I think the Hawks will offer Bibby $6 or $7 million for two or three seasons. I think they’ll offer Marvin about the same money on a longer-term contract. But again, that’s me guessing.

I think Flip will be back because he likes it here. And Zaza could well return, but I think there’s a part of him that still wants to be a starter. And that’s not happening with Al Horford in front of him.

Volman

May 22nd, 2009
12:54 pm

Mr. Bradley, you have done it again. Thanks for throwing these articles at us left and right! We REALLY appreciate it!

You think ZAZA is gone? Ouch. Josh Smith is the MVP of this team, but Zaza is the heart of this team. I don’t think Sund will let him go..but there will be plenty of good teams wanting to get him. Will Zaza stay loyal and stay in Atlanta? I have met him multiple times and he seems very humble and a good person. I think he stays loyal and comes back.

Oz

May 22nd, 2009
12:57 pm

Thanks Mac. Mark that is exactly what I am noticing about Acie. He really got the time to show his worth because of injuries or what not but we have to groom a potential leader at the PG position that is why I would snatch up Lawson…We all know success in college does not always agree with the Pros but I would be willing to take that chance..As I stated ealrier we need another versatile BIG..Someone with some Playoff Experince..Suggestions; I want Antonio Mcdyss but not sure if he will be available. Hell, I’ll take PJ Brown out of retirement..

What is the deal on our other native Atlantian that skipped GT and went to UK? Randolph Morris, what is the deal? Can the ball or what or his he just taking up space?

cp

May 22nd, 2009
1:00 pm

I would rather have Chills than Evans. I wasn’t really impressed with Evans this past season. People we will not be trading up to get Thabeet so please stop suggesting it. I don’t see why people think Horford will be a better pf than Smith. Other than rebounding what does Horford do better at the pf spot? When Horford had to play at the pf position when Smith got hurt I did not see any improvement in his game. He has fewer low post moves than Smith does. Horford is a nice player but sometimes he seems a bit overrated by the fans here.

Mark Bradley

May 22nd, 2009
1:04 pm

Aw, shucks, Volman. I’m getting embarrassed here.

And Randolph Morris is indeed taking up space: He didn’t play in the Game 2 blowout in Cleveland despite being listed as active on a night when Al Horford and Marvin Williams were not available.

kj

May 22nd, 2009
1:18 pm

hey mark i know this may sound a little too crazy but what about mrvin at the 2? that way everyone can fit depending if smoov can find a mid range shot and we can snag a big for joe this off season. i know its radical but i think it would work.

NC Braves Fan

May 22nd, 2009
1:19 pm

Mark – thanks! Yeah it was interesting how Sund “played the PR game” in the interview – he really managed it well … gave just enough info to make it relevant, without revealing a lot of information.

The core thing I take away from that interview – and the reference to JChills in this one – is that Sund seems to have a great understanding of resource allocation relative to a player’s position on and value to the team. And hopefully that will mean no Jon Koncak-like, budget-busting contracts will be given out.

f.i.l.a.

May 22nd, 2009
1:21 pm

Trading Marvin Williams would be a huge mistake.He’s 2 years from playing at an all star level, watch and see..Come draft night the hawks need 2 do whatever it takes 2 draft jonny flynn.He’s going 2 be on a level with cp3,d-will,rose and exc..

KEEP THE CORE TOGETHER AND IMPROVE THE BENCH!!!!

Mark Bradley

May 22nd, 2009
1:23 pm

There’s no doubt of that, NC. The Hawks are not going to overspend wildly under this GM. And that might be a good thing, or it might not.

Obama hates Cheney's bald head the most

May 22nd, 2009
1:42 pm

MB If you think Zaza is gone, what can we get in return for him? Do you think it is just his desire to start or bad feelings in Atlanta?

Joe

May 22nd, 2009
1:43 pm

The Hawks need to keep their first 8 players if they can stay on budget and resign Bibby, Williams, Murray, and ZAZA with reasonable contracts with odd man out for the player who is too out of touch with his value. Send Jones and Morris to big men’s school this summer and evaluate their improvement, then either sign them or allow them to leave without a contract offer. If Childress will comeback at a reasonable contract, then he could replace one of the players not under contract.
who opts out from the Hawks. Law needs to play somewhere in a summer league and be re-evaluated as to his skills, trade him or play him. Johnson needs to improve next year or be traded during the upcoming season. The team needs to be run through the point guard and not through Joe Johnson as before. Horford needs to develop a low post shot and have plays run for him. Smith needs to play PF and not be shooting from the wing. Hawks need to sign one more outside shot shooter at the guard positions as Murray was all we had when Johnson went cold.
( who says a point guard can’t shoot the three). The draft should be used for the point guard and or big man not for a 3 or 4 player. Hawks need another big body but must sign ZAZA for several more seasons as there is a not many good big bodies out there.

Reggie

May 22nd, 2009
1:44 pm

Mark

What players would you expect the hawks to be looking at as far as free agents? Does players like Antonio Mcdyess, & Marcin Gortat come to mind?

Also, Do you think Josh Smith can play at the three?

jk77

May 22nd, 2009
1:49 pm

Here’s a thought; Sund needs to pick up the horn and chat with Minnesota’s new GM(?) about getting off the 18th and 28th picks in some kind of deal that involves Williams or Law and the pick. Then you pick Mullens at 18 because there is no other big man at this position with his size and upside. There are so many PG’s in this draft, but I really think they could land P.Mills at 28. He has all the PG tools and Olympic experience. Sekou had Minnesota picking these players at these specific spots in his CBS Sports Mock Draft,and I think they would add depth and be a great fit for the Hawks, provided they don’t give up any other core pieces besides Marvin, who I just can’t see $9mil/yr for.

CMC

May 22nd, 2009
1:56 pm

Mark,

My biggest problem with Woodson – besides his unimaginative style of offense – is the fact that he continually fails to develop his bench during the regular season. He commented early this past season that he needed to do so – said it himself to writers – and still failed in this department. I don’t see him doing it in 2009-2010 because he will be coaching for a new contract extension. We sure could have used a better prepared bench during the playoffs this year due to the injuries to Marvin, Joe and Horford. Do you think this might have come up in conversation during his meeting with Rick Sund, or does the GM let Woodson do his thing?

Goodfigs

May 22nd, 2009
1:56 pm

Trade Marvin, #19 pick, and rights to Childress to New Orleans for Chris Paul

PaulDawg

May 22nd, 2009
2:00 pm

We need a center, period. Horford needs to be at PF and Smoove at SF. Thabeet would be great- he wouldnt have to provide a lot of offense- but that won’t happen.

I thought Sund was nuts to let Childress go but he improved our bench. I’m anxious to see what the professionals decide to do (haven’t heard that said about the Hawks in a while, have you?)

PD

May 22nd, 2009
2:03 pm

Hey Mark, don’t you think Speedy’s contract is key to them acquiring another veteran player. He has a 5 mil expiring contract. But the question is who wants Speedy? Maybe we trade him to Memphis for Mike Conley or Washington for Javaris Crittendon or LA for Camby

I think Acie deserves 1 more year in Atlanta.

Good veterans for lockerroom strength
Antonio McDyess, Andre Miller or Mike Bibby, Francisco Elson and Ron Artest as Marvin replacement if he leaves.

Outside chances Rasheed Wallace. He said he will not play unless he gets 8mil per year and starts.

DAVID

May 22nd, 2009
2:03 pm

Dont know what the Hawks are going to do this off season, but I would love to see this line up in 2010. Center-Chris Bosh Power Forward-Al Horford Small Forward-Marvin Williams (Josh Smith comes off the bench) Shooting guard Joe Johnson Point guard Hmmm Dont know what to do at point guard, I really think Flip can run the point and do a good job. After the Cleveland series, it was obvious that the Hawks are young and Joe is going to need help in order for the Hawks to take that next step, gotta have a 1,2 punch in the NBA (Jordan+Pippen,Kobe+Gasol). They need some veteran help why not add another All Star into the line up what do you guys think about that?

All I'm Saying Is...

May 22nd, 2009
2:07 pm

ant banks: we don’t need to move to #2 to get thabeet; most think he will still be around when the t-wolves pick at #6

Someone who is projected to be around toward the end of the first round when the Hawks have their pick is BJ Mullens who is 7′ and 275 lbs with some thinking he could pack on another 25 pounds without losing anything; plus he is supposed to be much more skilled offensively than Thabeet.

Contrary to what did not happen in the past, drafting a point guard in this draft is not what the Hawks should do. Sign a veteran point guard and team them with a re-signed Bibby.

Ken Strickland

May 22nd, 2009
2:26 pm

MARK BRADLSY-realistically, if we drafted a PG with our #19 pick, do you thihk Woodson would give him a fair chance to play and develop, or the same treatment Salim Staudamire, Acie Law got from him? Also, would you recommend drafting a PG or trading our pick, plus an expiring contract and/or player, for a veteran PG?

esaun

May 22nd, 2009
2:35 pm

Trade Marvin is absurd. I luv J-Smooth, but Marvin is the hawks only good on the ball defender with more of a small forward game than Josh. Josh is not even the best pf on the team, that would be Horford. Josh too talented to trade; if we are to use the current lineup we must utilize a pg with speed to push the ball. Hawks one of the best transition teams in the NBA yet used a pg whose strength is 1/2 court sets; sweep go figure. We need to look into Mike Conley his speed with our roster would be a nightmare for teams. JJ may not be a star but imagine Conley pushin, (josh,marvin,al) fillin lanes, with JJ trailin for the kick out. That’s how PHO did it and JJ shot 49% from 3. Marvin is a young 6-9 no problems player who dunks hard, strokes lovely jumpers, and plays great defense; yet we say trade him. In da A do we really know the winning formula; forgot we throw parades for second place and cherish college conference titles

Patrick

May 22nd, 2009
2:38 pm

Unless you’re willing to part with Horford (which I wouldn’t), get any ideas of Thabeet out of your head.

I think priority #1 is getting Zaza signed to a reasonable deal, he’s a very productive backup and covers a bit for how undersized the rest of the frontline is. If Williams can be packaged for a lottery pick I would make the swap, and I would look to keep Bibby at a fair price (something like 3 yrs/25 mil or 4 yrs/30 mil). Keep in mind that the Hawks have to keep their finances in line so they can re-sign Horford to a big extention when he’s due. That’s a much higher priority long-term than Williams, Bibby, or any other FA.

ken

May 22nd, 2009
2:48 pm

MB, we need a center with that 19th pick, bj mullins

Daniel

May 22nd, 2009
2:57 pm

Thanks Mark for the continuing work on the Hawks. It is really refreshing to be getting new stuff in the off season.
I am tired of hearing about Woodson not playing rookies, because of Salim and Acie. Hello people!! Didn’t Josh, Marvin, and Al get tons of minutes their rookie seasons? Everyone needs to get off Acie and Salim’s jock. If they could play they would be in the rotation. I mean Salim just got picked up by Minnesota after being out of a job!!! They just are not that good. Honestly, we are not going to get anything out of the 19th pick this year anyway. We may get a player that could develop in 2-3 years at best. This is a horribly weak draft.

ILL-logical

May 22nd, 2009
3:04 pm

” And Zaza could well return, but I think there’s a part of him that still wants to be a starter. And that’s not happening with Al Horford in front of him”
And there in a nutshell is why Mr. Sund will be joining Mr. Woodson in the unemployment line next year. Calling Al Horford a center is like calling Jeff Francoeur an All-Star: just because you believe it doesn’t make it true.

Until and unless some major,major moves are made with this team, doom is emminent.

Starting with Josh Childress and soon to be goe Marvin Williams( and please ,folks you can’t be an All Star while lying on the floor). And you can’t just make trades because someone fits a team either. The other team;the player and his agent all have to be in the mix. And nobody wants to play in Woodson’s “system”. Even his “son” ,Joe looks a little weary and ready to move on.Sund is a pro in saying the right things to the media but his resume doesn’t have a world championship on it.

Fred

May 22nd, 2009
3:07 pm

SB

May 22nd, 2009
3:08 pm

First let me say I’d like to keep both. It kills me how people try to twist and turn ways to try and make Marvin better than Smith. I’ve watched every Hawk game available over the last 5 yrs. Smith is by far the superior player. Marvin has a better jump shot and maybe a higher IQ, but that’s where the debate ends. You can like Marvin’s game and hate Smith’s that dosn’t make Marvin a better player. Smith is better in every other part of the game. Marvin has talent, Smith is a game changer now and they are around the same age. When Smith gets a jumper he will be one of the toughest assignments in the NBA. You just don’t trade away that kind of talent.

That said I wouldn’t trade Marvin unless another game changer came along. ZaZa should be resigned, unless we can get a better big. Childress is the X-Factor, If he comes back I don’t think they resign Flip. I would let Bibby go and go after Sessions ( pg Mil). I like Bibby, But he was a defensive liability all year. I like the Idea of adding a vet big with leadership skills.

Mark Bradley

May 22nd, 2009
3:11 pm

If the Hawks draft a point guard, I think it would be to play 15 or 18 minutes as a reserve. Not many guys picked 18th, 19th or 20th make much of a first-year splash. (Sund has done the research. He showed me the numbers.)

McDyess’ name always comes up on the blogs, but I’ll say again: If you’re talking about the need for a backup center, I like Ronny Turiaf of Golden State