Senate plan to ban ‘assault weapons’ appears dead for now

If the bill forthcoming from Senate Democrats is any indication, it appears there’s little appetiate in Congress to decide what constitutes an “assault weapon” and ban it. From the Washington Post:

Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), the chief sponsor of the [assault weapons] ban, said Tuesday that her proposal won’t be included as part of a bill encompassing several proposals that the Senate Judiciary Committee approved last week and that the Senate is expected to begin debating when it returns from a two-week recess in early April.

In addition to the assault weapons ban, the Judiciary Committee approved a bipartisan proposal to make gun trafficking a federal crime; a bipartisan bill to expand a Justice Department grant program that provides funding for school security; and a Democratic proposal to expand the nation’s gun background check program.

Instead of including the assault weapons ban in the final bill, Feinstein said Senate Majority Leader Harry M. Reid (D-Nev.) has told her she can introduce it as an amendment to the full bill — fulfilling his promise to hold an up-or-down vote on the measure. A separate vote will be held on an amendment to limit the size of ammunition clips, she said.

“Obviously I was disappointed” when she heard the news, she told reporters Tuesday.

All along, Reid was considered a Democrat who would be reluctant to go along with a new ban on particular weapons. Feinstein can — and did — blame the National Rifle Association for the ban’s apparent demise (I say only “apparent,” because it ain’t over till it’s over). But the NRA, like any advocacy group, is only as strong as the voters who belong to it. And Reid, like other Democratic senators from red and reddish states, knows a lot of his voters belong to the NRA.

Speaking of which, NRA chief executive Wayne LaPierre was one of the speakers at CPAC, and here’s some of what he had to say about some of the other possible elements in the Senate Democrats’ bill:

  • He called universal background checks a “placebo” that “will always be far from universal, will never make our schools or our streets safer, and will only serve as universal registry of lawful American gun owners.”
  • He explained further why such a registry, which he called “the real goal [liberals] have been pushing for decades,” would never be truly universal: “With all the HIPPA laws and privacy issues, the monsters at Tucson, Aurora and Newtown will never be in the system. And those killers really are crazy.”
  • He said there are only two reasons for the feds to build a national registry of guns: “To tax them, or to take them. … No gun owner, no rational-thinking American, thinks that will have any effect on violent criminals. It won’t make anybody safer, anywhere. … If they were serious, they would prosecute and imprison as many gangs with guns, criminals with guns and drug dealers with guns as possible.”
  • He offered a statistic to suggest prosecutions for violating existing gun laws don’t happen nearly as often as they should. “Out of 76,000 people flagged” as possible violators, he said (I don’t have the year he mentioned in my notes), “only 13 were prosecuted nationwide. Vice President Biden said they don’t have time to prosecute. Excuse me? Don’t have time to prosecute prohibited people from trying to illegally get a gun?”

On the other hand, LaPierre did continue to voice support for training and arming security guards at schools — though he noted not everyone in the federal government feels the same way. He showed a clip from a video, which he said came from the Department of Homeland Security, in which a person whose workplace is under attack by a gunman is advised to hide beneath a desk and defend himself or herself with a pair of scissors.

“Let’s get this straight,” he said. “To protect our children at school, we recommend a trained professional with a gun; they recommend scissors. And they say we’re crazy? It’s sheer madness.”

– By Kyle Wingfield

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298 comments Add your comment

Aesop's Fables and other Lib Economic Theories

March 19th, 2013
2:29 pm

It does call in to question their real motivations.

Do they want to protect the children or subvert the law abiding?

Or, as Pierre suggests, are they crazy?

Jhunt163

March 19th, 2013
2:48 pm

Good, now maybe I can find some .22 cartridges.

Aesop's Fables and other Lib Economic Theories

March 19th, 2013
2:50 pm

Not a winning issue, either -

Poll: GOP NYers ditch Democrat Cuomo after gun law

Cutty

March 19th, 2013
2:51 pm

The NRA was for background checks until the black guy agreed with them.

And to think the federal government has the capacity to take every gun in the country is irrational and defies common sense. But we are talking about Republicans and Wingfield reports this rubbish. He did vote for Newt tho.

Centrist

March 19th, 2013
2:53 pm

This was a silly over-reaction to the school shooting with stolen and legal weapons. It had no chance in the the House and little chance in the Senate.

Will the run on guns and ammunition now slow?

td

March 19th, 2013
2:54 pm

I was really hoping for the 7 Dem Senators up for re election in states that Romney won have to take a vote on a weapons ban. I knew that would never happen. If there is one thing that Reid is very good at it is knowing how to hold power.

Scot

March 19th, 2013
3:01 pm

Wayne has a point, if some guy came in my office blasting; do I A want a sheet a paper saying that’s against the law or B a Glock? I’ll go with B!!! Final answer

Georgia

March 19th, 2013
3:03 pm

Wayne LaPierre is correct, sirs. There is no remedy for mass murderers willing to die for their right to kill indiscriminately. The price of freedom is death. It just is. We have to live with it. Otherwise we’re finished as a free society. And look at the bright side, maybe some nut will put us out of our misery. (Stephen Colbert, 3.18.13 The Book of Holes in the Head, New Testament, King james edition).

Don't Tread

March 19th, 2013
3:03 pm

“[Wayne LaPierre] called universal background checks a “placebo” that “will always be far from universal, will never make our schools or our streets safer, and will only serve as universal registry of lawful American gun owners.”

It’s interesting to note that back in the day when the law creating NICS was passed, the NRA supported it. On the other hand, GOA opposed it not because they wanted criminals to legally obtain guns, but because they had reason to suspect that the government would use the NICS to create a gun owner database. The complete failure of the federal government to prosecute criminals attempting to buy guns through legal outlets suggests that GOA was right.

NRA is a little late to the party, but they’re seeing the light now. I’m happy they’re giving Dianne Feinstein (and the rest of the liberals) conniption fits.

Road Scholar

March 19th, 2013
3:06 pm

Centrist: “no” because you really don’t expect gun owners to believe the President/Senate/House/ mothers or not to feed their paranoia!

Rafe Hollister

March 19th, 2013
3:08 pm

halleluyah! They need to quit wasting taxpayer dollars fantasizing about restricting gun ownership and start focusing on the economy and the budget.

The background checks on private sales is so over the top and unenforceable, but I guess it will create some jobs checking the law abiding folks, who volunteer to go through that drill. Who is going to know that Mr. X sold his unregistered 30 year old 12 ga to his nephew, Billy Bob? It is just more government intrusion in our lives, for little apparent benefit.

MorningStar

March 19th, 2013
3:12 pm

@ Cutty
March 19th, 2013
2:51 pm

“The NRA was for background checks until the black guy agreed with them.

And to think the federal government has the capacity to take every gun in the country is irrational and defies common sense. But we are talking about Republicans and Wingfield reports this rubbish. He did vote for Newt tho.”

the federal government does NOT have the capacity to take every gun. THAT”S THE BAD PART! like drugs, only criminals will have guns while all the registered gun owners will be defenseless against those that still have them illegally. prohibition won’t work in either circumstance.

also, we’re not just “talking about republicans”, don’t be so blind as to turn this issue into D-vs-R, that’s a dangerous binary way of seeing reality.

Rafe Hollister

March 19th, 2013
3:19 pm

The National Government are pushing a Cyprus-style solution to bank failure in New Zealand which will see small depositors lose some of their savings to fund big bank bailouts, the Green Party said today.

Open Bank Resolution (OBR) is Finance Minister Bill English’s favoured option dealing with a major bank failure. If a bank fails under OBR, all depositors will have their savings reduced overnight to fund the bank’s bail out.

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA1303/S00306/national-planning-cyprus-style-solution-for-new-zealand.htm

Looks like we are going to have to start burying our money in the back yard, if you want to keep it.

Politico

March 19th, 2013
3:23 pm

“Looks like we are going to have to start burying our money in the back yard, if you want to keep it.”

Didn’t know you lived in either Cyprus or New Zealand?

How is the weather this time of year?

Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!

March 19th, 2013
3:35 pm

Democrats cave. They know Americans would take it out of their hide in 2014 if their constitutional rights are infringed.

The Founding Fathers warned us about Democrats.

cj

March 19th, 2013
3:37 pm

the NRA wants ther eot be NO gun laws or regulation. So far, with the help of the congressmen they have bought over the years, they have banned the ATF from managing its own data, prevented the ATF from tracking stolen guns and strangled research into gun violence. And now they want to do away with the ban on silencers. They are nothing but a lobbying group for the gun and ammo industry.

cj

March 19th, 2013
3:38 pm

Lil’ Barry Bailout – OBAMAPHONE!!! You know that Obama cell phone program you are crying about was started by Reagan… right?

Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!

March 19th, 2013
3:39 pm

Rafe: It is just more government intrusion in our lives, for little apparent benefit.
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Can’t you just see the guy with the rap sheet three pages long calling the BATF before selling his nine to his buddy?

Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!

March 19th, 2013
3:40 pm

cj: You know that Obama cell phone program you are crying about was started by Reagan
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Were there cell phones during the Reagan administration? I’ll be happy to read any links on Our President Reagan’s cell phone handout program if you can help me find one.

Didn’t think so.

Politico

March 19th, 2013
3:45 pm

Barry

There certainly were land lines and the program to switch over to allow cell phones didn’t start in Jan 09 but do carry on with your usual stuck on stupid diatribe

Aesop's Fables and other Lib Economic Theories

March 19th, 2013
3:47 pm

In 1988, cellphones were the size of a suitcase and only businessmen had them.

So, once again, liberals are wrong.

Del

March 19th, 2013
3:47 pm

“Dead for now” of course these meat heads will keep trying. They’ll keep trying, while avoiding doing something rational like populating the national database with those who have a history of mental disease or placing restrictions on violent video games or enforcing existing laws.

Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!

March 19th, 2013
3:50 pm

In any case, the term “Obamaphone” was coined by an Obozo receptacle, not me. Please put the blame where it belongs, on your like-minded comrade:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpAOwJvTOio

But do blather on, Politico.

Hillbilly D

March 19th, 2013
3:51 pm

They can pass whatever gun laws they want and it won’t change a thing, for obvious reasons. I’ll let y’all figure out what those reasons are.

“Looks like we are going to have to start burying our money in the back yard, if you want to keep it.”

Given current bank rates, you’d be just as well off; no early withdrawal penalty, you know.

Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!

March 19th, 2013
3:52 pm

“Keep Obama in president, you know!”

-Obamaphone lady and intellectual soulmate of Kyle’s lib commenters.

Politico

March 19th, 2013
3:54 pm

Barry

Thanks for letting us know that you are less informed than that lady who called them Obamaphones. What else does she tell you that you mimic like a macaw?

cj

March 19th, 2013
3:55 pm

You’re right I got it wrong. And so did you:
Since 2009, there has been an urban myth that Obama created a program to provide free phones to low-income Americans at taxpayer expense. There is, in fact, a government program that will provide low-income people with a free or low cost cell phone. It was started in 2008 under George W. Bush.

The idea of providing low-income individuals with subsidized phone service was originated in the Reagan administration following the break-up of AT&T in 1984. (It was expanded and formalized by the Telecommunications Act of 1996.) The program is paid for by telecommunications companies through an independent non-profit, not through tax revenue.

Georgia, The "New Mississippi"

March 19th, 2013
3:56 pm

GOP Senator Rob Portman Reverses Gay Marriage Stance After Son Comes Out…………..I guess when some of the other Senators children or grand children get gunned down with an “assault weapon” they will reverse their stance…………….The lord does work in mysterious ways………… In the mean time we can all sleep easy knowing our elected officials uphold their oaths to advance the greater good.

Hillbilly D

March 19th, 2013
3:56 pm

Shouldn’t this person have been able to foretell that they were going to get caught? :lol:

http://www.ajc.com/news/news/crime-law/ex-fairburn-employee-used-city-credit-card-to-buy-/nWxRR/

Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!

March 19th, 2013
3:56 pm

Diversification is important. Don’t bury it all in your own back yard. Find several additional out-of-the-way spots.

Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!

March 19th, 2013
3:58 pm

cj: The program is paid for by telecommunications companies through an independent non-profit, not through tax revenue.
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Wrong. The program is paid for by folks who actually pay their own bills. They’re paying their fair share and part of the parasite’s.

indigo

March 19th, 2013
3:58 pm

It’s amazing how few seem to understand that the NRA’s only real reason for existing is to do and say whatever it takes to produce the maximum possible profits for the gun industry.

Anything else is only pure BS window dressing.

Don't Tread

March 19th, 2013
3:59 pm

“…The NRA has prevented the ATF from tracking stolen guns…” Really? Link, please.

Apparently the NRA isn’t powerful enough to prevent the ATF from allowing gun sales to Mexican drug cartels, that they later couldn’t track (surprise :roll: ). Nor were they powerful enough to prevent their government (and ours) from blaming all that on Americans who own their guns legally.

Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!

March 19th, 2013
3:59 pm

I’d have changed my handle to something else long ago if it didn’t get the progs all riled up.

So sensitive about their messiah’s Handout Nation!

Politico

March 19th, 2013
4:03 pm

“I’d have changed my handle to something else long ago if it didn’t get the progs all riled up.

So sensitive about their messiah’s Handout Nation!”

Translation: I don’t think so well without talking points so I am a macaw for the Obamaphone lady and several others I wont mention.

:-)

Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!

March 19th, 2013
4:05 pm

And as long as it keeps you all PO’d, POlitico, the name stays.

Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!

March 19th, 2013
4:06 pm

If you’re against guns, don’t have one.

Dusty

March 19th, 2013
4:12 pm

Hillbilly D @ 3:56

Don’t knock the poor guy who bought the psychic forecaster (with the city credit card) to help his town!!! Why that’s the way liberals figured how to pay off the national debt. It’s psycho I tell ya….err I mean PSYCHIC ..

saywhat?

March 19th, 2013
4:13 pm

I like lil’ barry’s name. It reminds me how ignorant he is and not to waste time reading anything else he writes. Let the “stupid flag” fly, lil’ guy!

cj

March 19th, 2013
4:13 pm

Lil Barry you need to quit embarrassing yourself:
The phone program is called Lifeline. It gives a phone to people who cannot afford one so that they can make emergency calls. And ONLY emergency calls. And Lifeline isn’t paid for with tax revenues. Rather, Lifeline is funded with a pool of money, called the Universal Service Fund, which is paid for with revenue donations from telecommunications providers. Some of those providers—like Verizon, for instance—pass off that cost to their customers with a Universal Service fee, but the government doesn’t mandate that the money come from citizens, meaning it’s technically not a tax.

Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!

March 19th, 2013
4:18 pm

cj: And ONLY emergency calls.
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Better tell the folks selling the Lifeline Obamaphones. In one, Grandma and Grandpa Moocher say they use theirs to keep in touch with the grandkids. No word on whether the grandkids’ phone is one they’re paying for, or if their neighbors are being taxed to pay for it.

Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!

March 19th, 2013
4:21 pm

All the providers pass the cost along to someone. Either the customers pay it, the employees pay it (in reduced pay), or the retirees who own their stock pay it (in lower dividends).

Aesop's Fables and other Lib Economic Theories

March 19th, 2013
4:22 pm

It’s a tax.

Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!

March 19th, 2013
4:24 pm

Lifeline is a government benefit program that provides discounts on monthly telephone service for eligible low-income consumers to help ensure they have the opportunities and security that telephone service affords, including being able to connect to jobs, family, and 911 services.

http://www.fcc.gov/guides/lifeline-and-link-affordable-telephone-service-income-eligible-consumers
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Looks like the moochers can use it for all kinds of calls, not just emergency calls.

Your complete, total, unconditional, and utter surrender are (yes, all four) accepted.

Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!

March 19th, 2013
4:24 pm

Let’s ask Justice Roberts.

Dusty

March 19th, 2013
4:25 pm

cj

So Lifeline aka Obamaphone is funded by rich communication companies (so hated by liberals) and handed out by Obama.

As usual, the rich are supplying most of the money that the government hands out generously.

So the rich companies get thanked? What? I can’t hear you. .

Hillbilly D

March 19th, 2013
4:25 pm

There’s few things in this world I hate more than a telephone, no matter who pays for it.

Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!

March 19th, 2013
4:27 pm

But back to the topic at hand…

The Democrats caved. Unfortunately for them, they didn’t get their gun grab completed before the rousing of the rabble had died down and time for a more thoughtful, reasoned debate had passed.

Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!

March 19th, 2013
4:29 pm

Took a vacation with friends to a remote area with no land line or cell phone service a while back, and one of our party brought a friggin’ satellite phone.

Needless to say, that friend hasn’t been on any of our trips since.

Dusty

March 19th, 2013
4:31 pm

Hillbilly,

What you need is a guaranteed honest to goodness Lifeline phone always handy for fainting spells and inebriation attacks.

I understand that it even directs you to the nearest voting place during elections.

I wonder if it comes in colors to match one’s decor?. .