CPAC 2013: Where does conservative military policy go from here?
Sen. Rand Paul’s 13-hour filibuster last week, in which he demanded the Obama administration clarify if it believes it has the authority to kill Americans on U.S. soil with drones, sparked blowback from some of his fellow Republicans, including Sen. John McCain. That has sparked debate about whether the GOP is moving in a new direction regarding foreign and military policy, or drifting apart into two, ahem, warring camps.
But foreign-policy and military experts speaking on a Thursday morning panel at the American Conservative Union’s CPAC conference sounded a relatively consistent line of thinking, albeit more about the use of force overseas while largely staying away from the topic of domestic drones.
“The proper natural end of war is your peace, the peace according to you, the peace you want,” said Angelo Codevilla, professor of international relations at Boston University. “Victory is that achievement. And defeat is in fact letting the enemy achieve his version of peace. That is what war is all about.
“Our bipartisan leaders for the past generation have forgotten that fundamental truth. So they have engaged us in a variety of enterprises around the world without knowing what they are fighting for and what they want to achieve. … They have deprived us of the proper product [of war]. This country has no peace right now. And the lack of peace is eating away at us.”
Rep. Tom Cotton, a Republican from Arkansas and veteran of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, sounded a similar note. “Wars are not movies. They do not end. They are won or they are lost,” he said. “We should fight anywhere, but we should not fight everywhere.”
Cotton also criticized the Obama administration’s decision to try the recently captured son-in-law of Osama bin Laden, Sulaiman Abu Ghaith, in federal court rather than holding him at Guantanamo Bay — in the prison President Obama hasn’t closed despite his 2008 campaign rhetoric about the need to do so — so that the military could interrogate him at length and try him in a military tribunal.
“It’s possible, I suppose, that we had exploited him for all intelligence value in just the few hours we had him” under military custody, Cotton said. But he noted it took far longer for the U.S. to learn from 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed about the courier whose presence ultimately led Navy SEALs to Osama bin Laden’s hideout in Pakistan.
Cotton’s comments echoed remarks Georgia’s Sen. Saxby Chambliss made to me Wednesday in his office, when he called a federal-court trial for Abu Ghaith “a huge mistake.”
“This is not an ordinary terrorist, it’s an enemy combatant,” Chambliss said. Yet, “he’ll be tried as an ordinary bank robber would be.”
In any case, the notion that America should engage in nation-building abroad came in for rough criticism from the CPAC panelists. Rep. Louie Goehmert of Texas recalled how it took little time and few soldiers to come to the brink of victory in Afghanistan, citing the help of the Northern Alliance.
“They fought the Taliban and defeated them for us,” Goehmert said. “We had less than 500 American soldiers … in Afghanistan when we defeated the Taliban because the Northern Alliance did our work. That was the beginning of the very end for the Taliban until — after we won — we sent in tens of thousands of troops in to occupy it.”
– By Kyle Wingfield
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getalife
March 14th, 2013
11:09 am
Yay, the clowns parading as cons circus is back.
They are hilarious!
getalife
March 14th, 2013
11:09 am
Firsty!
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
March 14th, 2013
11:19 am
We are all waiting to see who will win the ….
Charlton Heston Courage Under Fire Award this year.
After Newton this years winner ought to be especially proud.
For those who think im making that up. I’m not.
They really have an award called that.
Unbelievable.
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
March 14th, 2013
11:26 am
The first thing Americans will need to do after they retake the White House is evaluate the threats we face. Hint–our most immediate or most dangerous military threat isn’t global warming, as Obozo’s politically-minded generals and admirals are fond of saying, attempting to curry favor and higher promotion.
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
March 14th, 2013
11:31 am
The first thing Americans will need to do after they retake the White House
I got news for you. Americans already have the White House.
And Hillary is going to be the next President and for 8 years.
Next realistic shot for a Republican at the WH will be in 2024.
By then most Republicans will be dead.
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
March 14th, 2013
11:35 am
American leaders try to fix problems and improve the general welfare.
Your messiah does the opposite–that’s what his Junior Community Organizer handbook tells him to do.
Jefferson
March 14th, 2013
11:41 am
Retake the white house, the GOP couldn’t take a one legged man last 2 times, one on equal footing would crush the Grumpy folks. Little boy blue, you make me smile daily at your childish whining. I’m laughing out loud. Its over kiddie.
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
March 14th, 2013
11:42 am
Your messiah does the opposite–that’s what his Junior Community Organizer handbook tells him to do.
LOL
Numbers-R-US
March 14th, 2013
11:44 am
Cheesy,
I believe you are thinking of the Charlton Heston “Pry it from my cold dead hands” award.
curious
March 14th, 2013
11:46 am
Lil’ Barry Bailout – OBAMAPHONE!!!
What threat is our most immediate or dangerous military?
Numbers-R-US
March 14th, 2013
11:47 am
Then there is the Ayn Rand “I can’t get enough of those government entitlements” prize. I hear Rand Paul and Paul Ryan are running neck and neck for that one.
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
March 14th, 2013
11:50 am
What threat is our most immediate or dangerous military?
Should be an interesting answer.
If we get one
curious
March 14th, 2013
11:51 am
Got to give credit to Obama.
He piggy backed on Reagan/ Bush’s free phone service.
He piggy backed on Romneycare.
Is Obama a closet Republican?
sailfish
March 14th, 2013
11:52 am
lil barry
Your president bush broke this country and totalled it after he was done with it; we are repairing the damage slowly but surely. You just can’t handle the truth about your unworthy hero.
Thomas Heyward Jr
March 14th, 2013
11:55 am
“CPAC 2013: Where does conservative military policy go from here?”
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Conservative military policy has to GO nowhere.
They only have to ignore the NEO-conservatives(Progs) who have hijacked the movement.
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AND conservatives need to remember………………if you let the Republicans and neo-conservatives nominate another NorthEast prog in 2016……………….the Ron Paul army will defeat you AGAIN————
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Paul was the the only presidential candidate who openly opposes President Obama’s incredibly aggressive and interventionist foreign policy, targeted assassinations, “kill lists,” and secret drone warfare. America is supposed to be a commercial republic, Paul argues, a shining light and example of peace and economic prosperity to a world that desperately needs it. Lead by example, not by bombs and bribes.
Paul was laregly dismissed by NEO-conservatives for these views, even being booed in South Carolina during a Republican debate for espousing Christ’s Golden Rule.
But Paul will be proven right even though the American people didn’t want to hear it. Whether or not one is convinved by Paul’s arguments in favor of a strong defense and diplomacy, there is simply no possible way that the U.S. Navy can continue to police every ocean, that the Army can support 1,000 foreign military bases, or that we can continue to wage multiple hot wars forever. The U.S. is borrowing almost half of every dollar from China, Japan, Saudi Arabia, and South Korea to maintain this empire, and eventually the troops will have to come home.
A decade from now, many Americans will probably be wishing it was done in 2012 by President Paul out of choice and not out of financial collapse and necessity.
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Aquagirl
March 14th, 2013
11:58 am
President Paul
HAHAHAHA! Good one, for a moment I thought you were being serious.
sailfish
March 14th, 2013
12:00 pm
Ron paul is kind of confusing figure because on some issues he can be quite brilliant and others? Bat shiite crazy!
curious
March 14th, 2013
12:01 pm
Conservative military policy should be:
Everybody serves!
indigo
March 14th, 2013
12:01 pm
Many cons seem to be very upset because we are targeting those who have sworn to kill as many of us as possible.
I wonder why that is?
Finn McCool (the system isn't broken; it's fixed)
March 14th, 2013
12:03 pm
Is Obama a closet Republican?
Yep
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
March 14th, 2013
12:03 pm
curious–I won’t pretend to know what our most immediate or dangerous military threat is. I know it isn’t global warming though, as that isn’t a military threat at all, even if the chicken littles are 100% correct.
Reminds me of Obozo’s NASA leader saying his most important mission was Muslim outreach.
Obozo administration: Incompetent.
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
March 14th, 2013
12:07 pm
sailfish, just FYI, we’ll be twice as broke after Obozo is done than we were after Our President Bush bequeathed him an economy in recovery.
curious
March 14th, 2013
12:08 pm
Lil’ Barry Bailout – OBAMAPHONE!!!
You’re a sad case.
Road Scholar
March 14th, 2013
12:08 pm
LBB:”The first thing Americans will need to do after they retake the White House is evaluate the threats we face.” Well, Americans now are in the WH. If you are referring to Repubs/Conserves/ etc. why can’t they assess the threats now? The House/Senate have members on all military and security committees. Can’t think? Can’t do two things at one time? Multi-task? Or is fighting the imaginary President Obama all they can do? It’s hhhhaaaaaaaaarrrrrrdddd!
Oh and they aren’t doing that so well, are they?
“…improve the general welfare.”
Now you are for welfare? You 47%er!
Who received the Repub “Head up your a$$” award? Rowe? Cheney? Mitt? You?
Road Scholar
March 14th, 2013
12:09 pm
Aqua: Paul whom?
Road Scholar
March 14th, 2013
12:09 pm
Back to BBall!
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
March 14th, 2013
12:10 pm
than we were after Our President Bush bequeathed him an economy in recovery.
Was that the same economy losing 700,000 jobs a month when he left office.
That was some recovery.
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
March 14th, 2013
12:12 pm
In fact, the Obama administration is not the first to waste tax-funded NASA resources and space program on Muslims. Ronald Reagan and his VP, George H. W. Bush, were. But they just wouldn’t say so publicly. At least Obama’s people are finally open about this outrageous behavior that isn’t new to his administration. Sad, though, that it took Al Jazeera to get it out of them.
sailfish
March 14th, 2013
12:14 pm
“Our President Bush bequeathed him an economy in recovery”
Hahahahahahahhhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha….you are not serious?
Finn McCool (the system isn't broken; it's fixed)
March 14th, 2013
12:18 pm
Who will solve the widespread Con confusion on how government and family budgets differ?
Finn McCool (the system isn't broken; it's fixed)
March 14th, 2013
12:20 pm
Repubs/Conserves/ etc. why can’t they assess the threats now? The House/Senate have members on all military and security committees. Can’t think? Can’t do two things at one time?
They are too busy creating nonsensical budgets based on pie-in-the-sky math.
Finn McCool (the system isn't broken; it's fixed)
March 14th, 2013
12:22 pm
Ronald Reagan and his VP, George H. W. Bush, were
Were they also the first to sell munitions to Iran to fund donations to the drug cartel-linked Contras in Nicaragua?
Aesop's Fables and other Lib Economic Theories
March 14th, 2013
12:27 pm
Notice how much more polte the Japanese are, fifty some years on? Compared to, oh, let’s say, the Libyan’s?
Smoke a couple of their cities and watch that attitude change for the better.
Aesop's Fables and other Lib Economic Theories
March 14th, 2013
12:29 pm
hillary’s older than the new pope.
Aesop's Fables and other Lib Economic Theories
March 14th, 2013
12:35 pm
I’m pretty sure even the Libertarians could come up with a better military strategy than turning over whole swaths of the Middle East to al qaeda, like the dummycrats have.
JohnnyReb
March 14th, 2013
12:37 pm
I read a lot of dancing around here, so I’ll state it.
The biggest threat to America is the rabbid Left. That being the Obama administration and it’s overly dedicated supporters.
Now, the well meaning Obama suppoters here will tell us they are trying to make America better, point out our mistakes and how we have no heart for poor people, etc. However, the point being, if they get their way our Country will no longer be America. It will be a socialist welfare state in the European mold.
JohnnyReb
March 14th, 2013
12:39 pm
Here’s why Hillary won’t be the next president – her looks.
America, deep into pop culture, etc. will not elect an aging ugly woman to have to look at and listen to.
Dems may win the White House again, but it won’t be with Hillary.
Jefferson
March 14th, 2013
12:42 pm
Roll with it reb, roll with the flow
HDB
March 14th, 2013
12:42 pm
“This is not an ordinary terrorist, it’s an enemy combatant,” Chambliss said. Yet, “he’ll be tried as an ordinary bank robber would be.”
Interesting….since the federal courts have CONVICTED every terrorist that has come before them and sentenced them to LIFE……
Are the military tribunals sentencing terrorists to face a firing squad??
HDB
March 14th, 2013
12:47 pm
The biggest threat to America is the rabid RIGHT….that being the neo-cons, Tea Party, and their overly dedicated supporters.
Now, the supporters of the right won’t ADMIT that they have made America worse by their policies, refuse to acknowledge their mistakes and SHOWN they have no heart for poor people, etc. However, the point being, if they get their way our Country will no longer be America. It will be a Darwinian theocracy in the Islamic mold….and he who has the biggest gun rules!!
Fixed your statement……….
JohnnyReb
March 14th, 2013
12:48 pm
The fact that other terrorists have been tried in federal courts is not the point. The handling of combatants is very different versus treating them like citizen criminals. There’s your clue – citizen.
They are not citizens, do not deserve the protection that entails, and should be pushed to within one breath of life to get as much info from them as possible.
They aren’t your third grade classmate grown up to be a bank robber. They are at war with us.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
March 14th, 2013
12:50 pm
“Charlton Heston Courage Under Fire Award this year.
For those who think im making that up. I’m not.
They really have an award called that.”
Why wouldn’t they, Cheesy? He took a lot of ridiculous and moronic flack from the liberal elites for his conservative stances during his career.
And he told you poofs to stuff it each and every time.
Aesop's Fables and other Lib Economic Theories
March 14th, 2013
12:57 pm
cheesy’s in the running for the Dirty Floor Fluke Profiles in Courage Award, I suppose.
Finn McCool (the system isn't broken; it's fixed)
March 14th, 2013
12:58 pm
Here’s why Hillary won’t be the next president – her looks
Then I guess it’s Michelle Obama…
Just Saying..
March 14th, 2013
12:59 pm
Maybe one of the last GOP flavors of the month, (Bachman/Gingrich/Trump) could grab some face time by demanding the Obama administration reveal which states are being readied as gulags for gun owners.
To immediate adoration from the base…
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
March 14th, 2013
12:59 pm
“Many cons seem to be very upset because we are targeting those who have sworn to kill as many of us as possible.”
Here’s my problem with the current policy of killing with drones, Indigo, and it’s not new.
Dead men tell no tales.
Yes, you kill off one person, then another, but at some point you miss out on the intelligence you can gather on DOZENS of terrorists by capturing one alive.
It takes time and effort and intelligence to do this right, and yes it doesn’t give you as much of a campaign talking point as a body count, but at the end of the day the rewards outweigh the expenditure of effort.
This killing-first policy is the lazy man’s way of fighting terrorism and not as effective as alternatives can be.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
March 14th, 2013
1:02 pm
Hyperbolic nonsense at 12:47.
Finn McCool (the system isn't broken; it's fixed)
March 14th, 2013
1:03 pm
but at some point you miss out on the intelligence you can gather on DOZENS of terrorists by capturing one alive.
Softie! Bleedin’ Heart Independent!
Just Saying..
March 14th, 2013
1:04 pm
“The first thing Americans will need to do after they retake the White House is evaluate the threats we face. ”
By saying the same things you’ve been posting for the last four years, Barry?
How’s that working out for you?
jconservative
March 14th, 2013
1:12 pm
8/20/2010
“Supreme Court Justice Anthony Kennedy said Thursday that most terrorism cases should be tried in civilian courts.
Kennedy addressed participants in the 9th Circuit Judicial Conference on Maui, where a panel discussion earlier this week reached a consensus in favor of using civilian courts instead of military commissions in most terrorism cases.
“Article III courts are quite capable of trying these terrorist cases,” Kennedy said, agreeing with the conclusion.”
JohnnyReb
March 14th, 2013
1:17 pm
When, oh when, I suppose never, will the Left stop acting like Obama’s win was a mandate. Some grand indicator of the Country’s pulse and wishes?
The election results was 26 states for Barry, 24 for Romney, and Obama won by 5 million popular votes. That’s about the population size of metro Atlanta.
Yes Obama won. But, almost as many are against him as for him.
So, you Lefties can keep spouting off if it makes you fell better. But the truth is, the last butt whipping at the polls was the 2010 mid-terms and we know how historic those results.
Del
March 14th, 2013
1:18 pm
Cheesy, prognosticates that Hillary will be elected president in 2016. Hillary will be over the hill pushing age 70 in 2016 and in that election year with the Obama economy in shambles the Democrats probably won’t be too popular. The Democrats candidate depth chart is pretty skinny with the Hill and shotgun Joe, maybe Dennis Kucinich and Maxine Waters.
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
March 14th, 2013
1:19 pm
Finn: Ronald Reagan…George H. W. Bush…Iran…Nicaragua
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His messiah is such a pathetic failure that he has to remain stuck in the past, just to maintain his sanity.
Aesop's Fables and other Lib Economic Theories
March 14th, 2013
1:23 pm
I have no compunctions with trying terrorists in federal court, matters none to me. We have bigger fish to fry. But I do like the idea of sticking them in a Supermax for life and not telling them which way meccah is, hahahahahaha.
FT.
HDB
March 14th, 2013
1:24 pm
JohnnyReb
March 14th, 2013
12:48 pm
“The fact that other terrorists have been tried in federal courts is not the point. The handling of combatants is very different versus treating them like citizen criminals. There’s your clue – citizen.
They are not citizens, do not deserve the protection that entails, and should be pushed to within one breath of life to get as much info from them as possible.
They aren’t your third grade classmate grown up to be a bank robber. They are at war with us.”
Interesting agin….since OBL’s son-in-law has been giving up information since his capture….that he is being kept in a maximum-security prison by federal marshals AND the FBI….
Also here’s your question: Are you basically saying that NO foreigners should be given constitutional protection if they are charged under American law?? What about those foreign nationals that have been executed in the US since 1976? If this is a nation of LAWS, should said laws cover ALL in its jurisdiction? The FBI is also charged with capturing INTERNATIONAL criminals when working with foreign authorities and the military!! Rememberm OBL’s son-in-law was captured in concert with a foreign GOVERNMENT’S (Turkey) assistance…….
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
March 14th, 2013
1:29 pm
“Also here’s your question: Are you basically saying that NO foreigners should be given constitutional protection if they are charged under American law??”
No, they should be given Constitutional protection if they violate our laws while on American soil.
If they are waging a war of terror against Americans on foreign soil, they should not enjoy Constitutional protections.
“since OBL’s son-in-law has been giving up information since his capture”
There is little evidence he is giving up information to U.S. authorities. Most, if not all, was given to his captors, not us.
JohnnyReb
March 14th, 2013
1:29 pm
HDB – it’s your champion who is making every effort to turn a war into civilian law enforcement. All to satisfy a few screamers from his base who can’t get over the water boarding.
There is a difference between a criminal and an enemy combatant. The military should handle the combatants, the FBI the criminals. It’s really simple; would work really well, but like most logical, moral, and ethically correct history, the Left wants to overturn it.
independent thinker
March 14th, 2013
1:36 pm
“”"”"”"”"CPAC is not just about serious speechmaking and politicking. This year’s conference, for example, features a panel called : “How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love Plastic Water Bottles, Fracking, Genetically Modified Food and Big Gulp Sodas,” and yet another called “Getting Hollywood Right”. And the nightlife should prove interesting too: on Friday, for example, CPAC is hosting what it’s calling the Obama Zombie Apocalypse Party. The motto: “First they come for your brains, then they come for your ballots.”"”"”"”"”"”"”
I did not make this up. I couldn’t if I tried
From ABC News-
I wonder if Romney is hosting the Obama Zombie Apacalypse Party.
Finn McCool (the system isn't broken; it's fixed)
March 14th, 2013
1:52 pm
ouch!
Hypocrites: At Least 14 GOP Congress Members Who Oppose Government Borrowing Carry Big Debts of Their Own
alternet.org
MarkV
March 14th, 2013
1:54 pm
“The election results was 26 states for Barry, 24 for Romney, and Obama won by 5 million popular votes. That’s about the population size of metro Atlanta.”
Still better than 2.4 million popular votes by which Bush won over Kerry, and even much better than losing by 0.5 million, as Bush did to Gore.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
March 14th, 2013
1:55 pm
“Hypocrites: At Least 14 GOP Congress Members Who Oppose Government Borrowing Carry Big Debts of Their Own”
Calling out people who borrow on their OWN income is simply stupid, Finn.
Not surprising that you can’t see the difference.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
March 14th, 2013
1:56 pm
“Still better than 2.4 million popular votes by which Bush won over Kerry, and even much better than losing by 0.5 million, as Bush did to Gore.”
Not the point he was making, MarkV, but do blather on . . .
Politico
March 14th, 2013
2:01 pm
Johnny
The number of states won or did not win would be more of relevant statement if all states had the same number of Electoral votes. Since they do not, it is basically a meaningless point.
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
March 14th, 2013
2:03 pm
“The election results was 26 states for Barry, 24 for Romney, and Obama won by 5 million popular votes. That’s about the population size of metro Atlanta.”
And electorally it was much much worse.
Which is how we elect a President.
Why do you think Republicans are trying to change it from a winner take all system with EC votes in states ?
Because they know under the current model they have no chance.
The Rural and Suburban white vote isn’t enough anymore.
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
March 14th, 2013
2:05 pm
The number of states won or did not win would be more of relevant statement if all states had the same number of Electoral votes. Since they do not, it is basically a meaningless point.
Exactly right.
If we elected a President on number of states won.
Id say pretty close election.
But we dont and never will.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
March 14th, 2013
2:06 pm
Getting back to the subject of Kyle’s article, I think it’s a good thing that there are Republicans that are no longer in lock-step with the Bush Doctrine of occupation and nation building. Pretty telling that dinosaurs like McCain and Graham can’t seem to see the folly and waste of that policy.
If the people like Paul are doing it for electoral success or due to principles, it matters not to me.
So long as it changes to their way of thinking.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
March 14th, 2013
2:09 pm
“Why do you think Republicans are trying to change it from a winner take all system with EC votes in states ?”
Just as Democrats were trying to change it when they were on the short end of the stick, Cheesy.
But you probably forgot about all that wailing and moaning, didn’t you?
There is little difference between the two parties on many issues, but especially when it comes to rigging the system to get elected.
clem
March 14th, 2013
2:09 pm
time to kiss ryan good bye:
http://www.newrepublic.com/article/112654/paul-ryan-budget-2013-dc-press-corps-has-turned-him#
JohnnyReb
March 14th, 2013
2:10 pm
Politico and Chessy, you are missing my point. Regardless of how you cut it, there are almost as many against Obama as for him.
Yes he won. But I’m sick and tired of being sick and tired of reading the Left’s beating of the chest with outlandish remarks that the Country is against Republicans, etc. It’s simply not correct.
If Obama had won like Reagan you could have those claims. But that’s simply not the case.
It’s like gay rights. We can’t get away from it. Not because the country is for gay rights, but because media and entertainment is full of gay people. Thirty something states voted that marriage is between a man and a woman. My money is on the same results if re-voting was tomorrow.
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
March 14th, 2013
2:14 pm
Thirty something states voted that marriage is between a man and a woman. My money is on the same results if re-voting was tomorrow.
Southern states yes. But with others no.
Look at the demographics. The younger generation could care less if gay people get married.
Almost everything you said was incorrect.
Yes he won. But I’m sick and tired of being sick and tired of reading the Left’s beating of the chest with outlandish remarks that the Country is against Republicans
The country is moving to the left and becoming more liberal. At the same time Republicans are moving to the right. Mostly because of the Gerrymandered districts that made it safe for them. Now their competition is from their right.
So they keep moving that way in order to win.
Politico
March 14th, 2013
2:15 pm
“Why do you think Republicans are trying to change it from a winner take all system with EC votes in states ?”
It seems the governors of OH, MI, PA, VA & WI decided that moving towards that type of system was not as politically advantageous for their own careers as it might be for the party on a national level. I’m sure none of them stated it was for their own respective careers, however that initiative seems to be dying or has died in the states that the RNC was targeting post election.
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
March 14th, 2013
2:15 pm
Regardless of how you cut it, there are almost as many against Obama as for him.
BTW when you get out of the South that ratio changes dramatically.
Politico
March 14th, 2013
2:19 pm
Johnny
Get over it. Romney lost by a landslide in the EC. Many on the AJC blogs were talking of a landslide by Romney, when it didn’t occur it has been nothing but excuse after excuse.
Bush was no less President in 2000 (even though some on the left cried like babies) because he had 500k less total votes. I’m confident that you were not out attempting to diminish his victory. So stop whining when someone wins by an EC landslide and almost 5M votes.
2014 & 2016 will be right around the corner.
Matz
March 14th, 2013
2:21 pm
JohnnyReb says: “But I’m sick and tired of being sick and tired of reading the Left’s beating of the chest with outlandish remarks that the Country is against Republicans, etc. It’s simply not correct.”
THANK YOU! I agree. I live in Georgia, surrounded by individuals, legislators, and public policy makers at all levels who are not against Republicans.
They are against individual freedoms, science, health, safety, logic, the environment, responsible development, separation of church & state, infrastructure, education, regulating polluters & monopolies, civil rights, feeding hungry children, and taxing people who have money to burn, but they’re totally NOT against Republicans!
Politico
March 14th, 2013
2:21 pm
Johnny
And if you are tired of hearing about something then why not stop coming up with all your… there is almost as many people this, the number of states that?
Your choice but it is whining and displaying of your butt hurt.
Scooter
March 14th, 2013
2:24 pm
“That was the beginning of the very end for the Taliban until — after we won — we sent in tens of thousands of troops in to occupy it.””
How many people were screaming about outsourcing OBL’s capture and losing him Tora Bora.
Rafe Hollister
March 14th, 2013
2:25 pm
The military guys are right, there is no peace unless there was a victory and a surrender. Just look at the conflicts that smolder today because both sides just quit fighting and tried to talk through their differences. Korea, Arab/Israeli, Pakistan/India, Iraq, and Brits/Argentina over the Falklands are all left unresolved as the fight was never finished. War is a terrible thing, but if started and you just get tired of all the death and expense and quit fighting, it seems both countries are then doomed to be constantly on guard for the next hundred years
Seems if you find the country provoked enough to engage in warfare, you had better stay out of it, unless you are prepared for no holds barred, all out effort to win the thing.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
March 14th, 2013
2:27 pm
“At the same time Republicans are moving to the right. Mostly because of the Gerrymandered districts that made it safe for them. Now their competition is from their right.”
This continues to be one of the dumbest statements made on Kyle’s blog.
Finn McCool (the system isn't broken; it's fixed)
March 14th, 2013
2:27 pm
If Obama had won like Reagan you could have those claims
You mean if he had done something as shameful as worked a deal with Iran to hold the hostages until after the election? An act which led directly to the Iran arm sales to fund the Contras.
Obama wouldn’t stoop to the level of Reagan to win an election.
JohnnyReb
March 14th, 2013
2:27 pm
Chessy and Politico – take off the rose colored glasses.
You are still missing the point. The country is too divided, a lot due to Obama’s mouth, to be pushing the changes Obama wants to make. You want them because you agree. My side does not want them. To think you are a majority is fooling yourself.
I’m not whinning. Obama won. I know that. But not sufficiently to justify what he wants to do or all the BS propaganda coming from your side.
BTW – congratulation on having that ignornat fat boy Moore on your side. I understand he wants to make the raw photos of the kids from the school shooting public. A real winner there.
JohnnyReb
March 14th, 2013
2:30 pm
“Obama wouldn’t stoop to the level of Reagan to win an election.”
Finn – I can eat a can of alphabet soup and crap a better post than that. Obama and his lackies are political thugs. Every election Barry has won has been from destroying his opponents with lies.
@@
March 14th, 2013
2:31 pm
Glean all the information he has to offer (I don’t think he’s got much)….then cut out his tongue “peace” by “peace”….send him back to Iran.
We achieved our goal in Afghanistan pretty quickly. Why Obama decided to send more troops has always puzzled me. Maybe it’s because he watched Bush get criticized for not sending enough into Iraq. To avoid the same criticism, he sends too many into Afghanistan.
Our full exit from Afghanistan is long overdue.
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
March 14th, 2013
2:31 pm
You are still missing the point. The country is too divided
Not really. In the South Obama is hated.
Outside the South his numbers go way way up.
Finn McCool (the system isn't broken; it's fixed)
March 14th, 2013
2:31 pm
I think it’s a good thing that there are Republicans that are no longer in lock-step with the Bush Doctrine of occupation and nation building
Dick Cheney’s ears just perked up. Watch your back.
ODD OWL
March 14th, 2013
2:32 pm
The most dangerous threat to America are the neo-cons and tea party Republicans… They have embraced economic austerity which will cause the American economy to go into a double dip recession like most of Europe… Britain is in a triple dip recession… Misery loves company and the Republicans love to spread the misery around…
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
March 14th, 2013
2:32 pm
This continues to be one of the dumbest statements made on Kyle’s blog.
Your dubious opinion is noted.
The statement however is very very true.
JohnnyReb
March 14th, 2013
2:33 pm
“Gerrnandered districts…”
Does that mean legally and duely elected officials redrawing voting districts in accordance with law, and in the case of certain Southern States with approval of the Justice Department?
Or, is that in fact the Left whinning?
Politico
March 14th, 2013
2:34 pm
Johnny
Be mad at the Republicans and who they put up. They couldn’t beat a mediocre at best president.
And you need to take off your own glasses and maybe even take a math class.
When someone wins an election with 51% of the vote, that is a majority. You can think otherwise all you like but it will not change anything.
And so you know, I do not advocate all of Obama’s policies and initiatives nor have I ever said I did.
Home Depot has some smaller brushes if you are not aware of that. Those broad (wide) brushes you so fondly use do a poor job for the most part.
Dusty
March 14th, 2013
2:34 pm
When did Kyle turn this blog over to the repetetive liberals? It is getting to be about as interesting as mud cakes. No wonder Georgia (Polifore) is writing movie reviews. Gives this blog a few new lines if nothing else.
The country is not in good shape. I don’t need someone telling me 24/7 how wonderful it is being run It isn’t. Hasn’t been for four years. Bush was a strong steady president and we need another one like him. He’d be smart enough to know it is time to leave Afghanistan and get on with smart America, the one we once had. He’d also be smart enough to work with Congress.
So run your liberal ratlle trap retinue on the stage and applaud. Won’t work and Americans know it. You voted for a loser and you got one. Our only hope is…… we learned something.
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
March 14th, 2013
2:34 pm
Finn – I can eat a can of alphabet soup and crap a better post than that. Obama and his lackies are political thugs. Every election Barry has won has been from destroying his opponents with lies.
Notice he didn’t dispute what you said about Reagan.
Now think if Obama had done anything close to that.
Oh the outrage.
Matz
March 14th, 2013
2:35 pm
The country is too divided.
I agree. I think we should be nicer to each other. You know, stop being so hateful and selfish, and look at the bigger picture.
Politico
March 14th, 2013
2:35 pm
“Our full exit from Afghanistan is long overdue”
yes it is
Finn McCool (the system isn't broken; it's fixed)
March 14th, 2013
2:35 pm
I understand he wants to make the raw photos of the kids from the school shooting public.
Most people couldn’t stomach the picture of the little boy with his entire jaw blown clean off.
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
March 14th, 2013
2:36 pm
Finn: You mean if he had done something as shameful as worked a deal with Iran to hold the hostages until after the election
——-
Link please.
Politico
March 14th, 2013
2:37 pm
“You voted for a loser and you got one”
yes you did vote for McCain and Romney…….. and think the Democrats have been in charge of the House for the last 4 years
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
March 14th, 2013
2:37 pm
“Bush was no less President in 2000 (even though some on the left cried like babies) because he had 500k less total votes. I’m confident that you were not out attempting to diminish his victory.”
Johnny Reb is not trying to make either point, Politico. But if it makes you feel better to change the argument, please continue to do so.
He is rightly making the argument that while you on the left continue to think that an electoral blowout is indicative of some far-reaching mandate, the fact remains that President Incompetent is still largely a 50-50 proposition to the entirety of this country.
Finn McCool (the system isn't broken; it's fixed)
March 14th, 2013
2:38 pm
Bush ~ He’d be smart enough to know it is time to leave Afghanistan
Umm, i do believe he had the driver’s seat while the war was still going on…..am I missing something?
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
March 14th, 2013
2:39 pm
Does that mean legally and duely elected officials redrawing voting districts in accordance with law, and in the case of certain Southern States with approval of the Justice Department?
Yes it does. It also means the political reality of setting up those districts is that the competition comes from the right of them. So they have to move to the right to win.
That might play with the hicks in Peoria. But it wont win Nationally.
Politico
March 14th, 2013
2:41 pm
“He is rightly making the argument that while you on the left continue to think that an electoral blowout is indicative of some far-reaching mandate”
When you can show where I stated what you just said, then you wont be the liar you know yourself to be.
So that was “epic fail”
“Color me shocked”…………….
You have to love it when the little deputy steps in , squirt guns a blazing…………
Oh the “pourtage”………..
bwhahahahahahahaha
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
March 14th, 2013
2:41 pm
“Obama wouldn’t stoop to the level of Reagan to win an election.”
You’d have to first be upright in order to stoop, Finn.
Obama has been in the gutter since 2006.
And has never left it.
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
March 14th, 2013
2:42 pm
President Incompetent is still largely a 50-50 proposition to the entirety of this country.
Wrong again.
Ill say it again real slow.
In the South Obama is very very very unpopular.
Outside the South he is very popular.
Politico
March 14th, 2013
2:42 pm
“You don’t have permission to put words in my mouth………….”
bwhahahahahahahahaha
bless the little tikes heart
Rafe Hollister
March 14th, 2013
2:43 pm
Del
You forgot crazy uncle Joe Biden and Michelle Obama. Michelle is as qualified as our current potentate was, so she may stand a chance if she chooses to throw her wig into the ring.
Speaking of getting old and dying out, that would be the potential Democrat nominees. Their young upstart Presidential hopeful, Gov Cuomo, of NY just willfully shot himself in the foot with his gun control fervor, which will not play well outside the Wash-Bos corridor.
Maybe Debbie Washerwomen Shultz will be their choice or Alan Grayson, hah!
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
March 14th, 2013
2:43 pm
I see that Politico has reverted to the childish leg-humper mode he usually operates in.
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
March 14th, 2013
2:44 pm
You’d have to first be upright in order to stoop, Finn.
Obama has been in the gutter since 2006.
And has never left it.
Notice again Reagan’s record isn’t mentioned.
But can you imagine if Obama did anything close to that.
Oh the outrage.
Finn McCool (the system isn't broken; it's fixed)
March 14th, 2013
2:44 pm
Here is your link – with new evidence described.
http://www.alternet.org/tea-party-and-right/shocking-new-evidence-reveals-depths-treason-and-treachery-watergate-and-iran
Politico
March 14th, 2013
2:45 pm
The little tike who humped my leg when I was replying to JR now talks about leg humping……
You can’t make this stuff up
“color me shocked”
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
March 14th, 2013
2:46 pm
Speaking of getting old and dying out, that would be the potential Democrat nominees.
Meh plenty more where that came from.
The under 30 crowd was over 60 percent for the Democrats last election.
That is powerful stuff.
JohnnyReb
March 14th, 2013
2:46 pm
Two more thoughts -
Just after the 2008 election there was a photo going around of a truck bed tailgate where a guy had turned Obama into the acronym One Big Ass Mistake America. How true.
Next, I was listening to Feinstein on the tube about gun control and my demons came out. I thought of the movie where a bunch of guys are launched to Mars and their landing craft is a design that uses air bags around the circumfrence to cushion the landing. They hit hard and the thing bounces all over Mars almost killing them all.
Point being, I would lke to see Feinstein and her looney legislative sisters from the Left Coast in one of those things. So they don’t get lonely, send Waxman, Harry, and Chuck along. To keep everyone amused, that traveling Fat Boy from the NYT and his buddy the weasel economist can be included. Talk about instant improvement.
What a site. I would pay toward the effort.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
March 14th, 2013
2:48 pm
“Ill say it again real slow.
In the South Obama is very very very unpopular.
Outside the South he is very popular.”
I’ll type it again real slow for you, Cheesy.
The South is still part of the USA. The USA votes for the President. This current iteration received about 3% more votes across the NATION than did his closest opponent. That makes him a roughly 50-50 proposition for the country he was elected by.
And btw, as soon as you can tell us how Montana, Idaho, Utah, Wyoming, Nebraska, Kansas, North Dakota and South Dakota are considered Southern states, we can have an intelligent discussion.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
March 14th, 2013
2:51 pm
I was pointing out your error in changing the argument to meet your preconceived notions, Politico.
All you do is attack people personally and then repeat some of their posts back at them.
Not exactly the mark of someone willing to debate a topic intellectually.
@@
March 14th, 2013
2:51 pm
The under 30 crowd was over 60 percent for the Democrats last election.
That’s because they were hoping the government would pick up the tab for their college loans.
Politico
March 14th, 2013
2:52 pm
And Tiberius wept
And name callers and insults like you shouldn’t cry about name calling and insulting
hypocrite much………. yes you do
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
March 14th, 2013
2:52 pm
Looks like we are headed towards another record with the DOW.
How many days is that in a row ?
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
March 14th, 2013
2:54 pm
That’s because they were hoping the government would pick up the tab for their college loans.
LOL
Or maybe they are pretty liberal in their viewpoints.
independent thinker
March 14th, 2013
2:54 pm
Dusty at 2:34″”"”The country is not in good shape. I don’t need someone telling me 24/7 how wonderful it is being run It isn’t. Hasn’t been for four years. Bush was a strong steady president and we need another one like him. He’d be smart enough to know it is time to leave Afghanistan and get on with smart America, the one we once had. He’d also be smart enough to work with Congress.”"”"”"”"”"”
Definitely the funniest comment of the day. No wonder Jindal calls it the stupid party.
Mission Accomplished???????What mission- when? where?
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
March 14th, 2013
2:55 pm
The South is still part of the USA. The USA votes for the President. This current iteration received about 3% more votes across the NATION than did his closest opponent. That makes him a roughly 50-50 proposition for the country he was elected by.
And if you look at the South and yes the rural Midwest.
That is where he lost badly.
When you get out of those areas and back to civilization.
He is very very popular.
To keep denying it is making you look stupid.
JohnnyReb
March 14th, 2013
2:55 pm
If I had the honor of addressing all the Republican Congressmen, I’ll tell them this.
All the talk from the media and the Left on a balanced approach, compromise, etc. Ignore it.
Tell the Left you are following in their footsteps on compromise displayed when Obamacare was voted in.
There was not compromise. There was no consideration of the Right’s wishes. Every dirty trick under the Sun was used to pass the bill.
Let the Left put their compromise and shared sacrifice up their patuttie. Stick to your guns. Just vote no.
MarkV
March 14th, 2013
2:55 pm
After 2004 2nd term elections,
the Republicans: WE WON!
After 2012 2nd term elections,
the Republicans: The country is almost 50:50
Rafe Hollister
March 14th, 2013
2:56 pm
Odd Owl
Germany is doubling down on austerity by choosing to balance their budget. I think they have found a way, ONCE AGAIN, to dominate Europe. Different approach, but this time they will do it peacefully, by controlling the purse strings. Their government first, socialist nanny state neighbors, that do not like the pain of budget cuts, will be bowing down even more, and begging for money to stay afloat.
JohnnyReb
March 14th, 2013
2:57 pm
So Cheesy, since the South is not civilization does that mean you do not live here, and therfore have no vested interest, or are you being held captive?
JohnnyReb
March 14th, 2013
2:58 pm
Record Dow – cue the Obama lies. Guess what? It’s not Obama. It’s Bernanke.
Aesop's Fables and other Lib Economic Theories
March 14th, 2013
2:59 pm
Southern states yes. But with others no.
Kalifornia is a southern state?
Yes, America has voted on gay marriage and you sods lost. So shut the hell up and get over it.
You lost.
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
March 14th, 2013
2:59 pm
Record Dow – cue the Obama lies. Guess what? It’s not Obama. It’s Bernanke.
Wanna bet that answer would be different with a Republican in the WH.
Jefferson
March 14th, 2013
3:01 pm
Reasonable people can come to reasonable conclusions under reasonable conditions, unless you are a republican.
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
March 14th, 2013
3:01 pm
Yes, America has voted on gay marriage and you sods lost. So shut the hell up and get over it.
LOL.
Look at the demographics dummy.
Its coming and sooner than later.
The bigots will not win. You cannot discriminate against people based on your silly religion.
Its over.
YOU LOST.
Aesop's Fables and other Lib Economic Theories
March 14th, 2013
3:01 pm
Just a quick, cranky reminder: Despite what you may have read, the Dow Jones industrial average did not hit a new high today in any meaningful sense.
After adjusting for inflation, the Dow was higher in 2000 than it is today. It was also higher in 2007. It would need to rise another 10 percent or so to hit an all time high in real (i.e., inflation-adjusted) terms. – National Public Radio
independent thinker
March 14th, 2013
3:02 pm
“”"”"”"”"”In any case, the notion that America should engage in nation-building abroad came in for rough criticism from the CPAC panelists. Rep. Louie Goehmert of Texas recalled how it took little time and few soldiers to come to the brink of victory in Afghanistan, citing the help of the Northern Alliance.
“They fought the Taliban and defeated them for us,” Goehmert said. “We had less than 500 American soldiers … in Afghanistan when we defeated the Taliban because the Northern Alliance did our work. That was the beginning of the very end for the Taliban until — after we won — we sent in tens of thousands of troops in to occupy it.””"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”
From Kyle at CPAC
These are the same clowns who complain that we did not take the lead in Libya and put troops on the ground. If we had armed the Shiites and Kurds in 1991 when Daddy Bush chickened out and cancelled the war, where would we have been? Surely not 20 years of war with the US having to do all the heavy lifting. But the cons here wish someone strong like Cheney aka George W was in charge.Or someone like Reagan who overcame the superior military forces in Grenada.
JohnnyReb
March 14th, 2013
3:02 pm
Cheesy, you obviously forget that after the 2008 election, when the market was down, the WH went to great extremes to separate Obama’s policies from market results. Oh, they probably did not show that on MSNBC and other Obama media.
Rafe Hollister
March 14th, 2013
3:03 pm
When you get out of those areas and back to civilization.
Your idea of civilization Finn is different than mine. People stacked on top of each other, stuck in rush hour traffic or packed like sardines on a commuter train, forced to pay high taxes and a high standard of living, trying to keep their kids off the streets to save them from the gunfire and the drugs, is not my idea of civilization.
I will take an 32 oz glass of sweet ice tea, some pork rinds, and a porch swing overlooking the grazing livestock, as my civilization.
Aesop's Fables and other Lib Economic Theories
March 14th, 2013
3:03 pm
Get over it cheesy, the American people have spoken and you sods lost.
Deal with it.
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
March 14th, 2013
3:03 pm
Yup another record day for the DOW.
Seems we have finally recovered from the Bush recession
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
March 14th, 2013
3:03 pm
“And if you look at the South and yes the rural Midwest.
That is where he lost badly.
When you get out of those areas and back to civilization.
He is very very popular.
To keep denying it is making you look stupid.”
I’m not denying it, Cheesy. I’m pointing out your stupidity in not accepting the reality that he is a 50-50 proposition for the entire nation.
JohnnyReb
March 14th, 2013
3:04 pm
I’m disappointed I did not get at least an amen on my proposal to put a bunch of the Liberal Left on a rocket to Mars. Surely it brought a smile to some faces?
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
March 14th, 2013
3:05 pm
Get over it cheesy, the American people have spoken and you sods lost.
Deal with it.
You’re wrong. But a fool so ill let you believe what you want.
Its just a matter of time however.
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
March 14th, 2013
3:05 pm
I will take an 32 oz glass of sweet ice tea, some pork rinds, and a porch swing overlooking the grazing livestock, as my civilization.
You may like the Trailer park and the constant smell of manure
Not me.
Finn McCool (the system isn't broken; it's fixed)
March 14th, 2013
3:06 pm
I guess the reason the Cons didn’t want W to leave Afghanistan while he was still President was because that would look like we were cutting and running.
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
March 14th, 2013
3:07 pm
I’m not denying it, Cheesy. I’m pointing out your stupidity in not accepting the reality that he is a 50-50 proposition for the entire nation.
Not really.
When you get out of the South and Midwest.
To the places where things matter. Where they have money and decisions are made.
He is very popular.
HDB
March 14th, 2013
3:08 pm
JohnnyReb
March 14th, 2013
1:29 pm
“HDB – it’s your champion who is making every effort to turn a war into civilian law enforcement. All to satisfy a few screamers from his base who can’t get over the water boarding.”
Actually, the FBI states that’s part of their purpose (from fbi.gov):
Spies. Terrorists. Hackers. Pedophiles. Mobsters. Gang leaders and serial killers. We investigate them all, and many more besides.
The very heart of FBI operations lies in our investigations—which serve, as our mission states, “to protect and defend the United States against terrorist and foreign intelligence threats and to enforce the criminal laws of the United States.” We currently have jurisdiction over violations of more than 200 categories of federal law, and you can find the major ones below, grouped within our three national security priorities and our five criminal priorities. Also visit our Intelligence program site, which underpins and informs all our investigative programs.
Here”re the first two:
1. Terrorism
- International Terrorism
- Domestic Terrorism
- Weapons of Mass Destruction
2. Counterintelligence
- Counterespionage
- Counterproliferation
- Economic Espionage
….and the FBI’s role in terrorism was expanded during the REAGAN Administration!!
JohnnyReb
March 14th, 2013
3:09 pm
Finn – what’s your point on Afghanistan? If anyone has mud on their face about Afghanistan, it’s Obama. He completely ignored history and doubled down. Results zero.
Dusty
March 14th, 2013
3:09 pm
Bubble bubble toil and trouble
LIbs are proud of their political rubble.
Their minds move slowly, their lips are fast
As they move away from our wondrous past.
And shocked Americans can only ask,
“Why isn’t Obama up to this task?”
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
March 14th, 2013
3:09 pm
Bye for today folks.
Ill leave you to your conspiracies and Tea Parties.
Don’t forget your tin foil hats. Otherwise the drones can hear your thoughts.
See ya.
Aesop's Fables and other Lib Economic Theories
March 14th, 2013
3:09 pm
I have no idea why I’m going to try reason with the cheeser but here it goes anyway – cheesy, how’s your gay marriage election losses any different than Romney’s loss to President Obama?
Is there something special that I do not know of?
JohnnyReb
March 14th, 2013
3:10 pm
HDB – don’t be dense. What did you expect to find in a FBI mission statement posted by the Obama administration?
HDB
March 14th, 2013
3:10 pm
JohnnyReb
March 14th, 2013
3:04 pm
“I’m disappointed I did not get at least an amen on my proposal to put a bunch of the Liberal Left on a rocket to Mars. Surely it brought a smile to some faces?”
I was hoping more cons would’ve been on that spaceship….since many of them seem to be from outer space any way….like Rand Paul, Rick Perry, Paul Braun and the rest of that ilk….problem would be that the ship would have to go to Uranus for them to fit in……..
saywhat?
March 14th, 2013
3:11 pm
Obama caught two Bin Ladens, Bush caught zero.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
March 14th, 2013
3:11 pm
“When you get out of the South and Midwest.
To the places where things matter.”
Always nice to see the tolerance of the left on full display.
Half the country doesn’t matter. Got it.
ODD OWL
March 14th, 2013
3:12 pm
We Democrats are going to use the “McCaskill Strategy” to dislodge these tea party Republicans who have insulated themselves in gerrymandered districts… We Dems will bankroll the most extreme, right wing Todd Akin types to run against the tea party obstructionists in the Republican primaries… The results will be a huge Democrat majority in the House and a filibuster proof super majority in the Senate…
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
March 14th, 2013
3:13 pm
“Obama caught two Bin Ladens, Bush caught zero.”
Obama caught zero Bin Ladens (Navy SEALS – Turkey – 1), Bush caught zero.
Fixed your typo, saywhat?
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
March 14th, 2013
3:13 pm
Is there something special that I do not know of?
Yes the last few states to vote on it all affirmed gay marriage.
Maine, Maryland, Minnesota and Washington all passed Gay marriage rights.
And the supreme court is about to do so as well.
A November 26-29 Gallup poll found that 53% of Americans support same-sex marriage while 46% do not
And when you look at the fact that most opposition to gay marriage is from the over 65 crowd.
While 60 to 70 percent of young people could care less.
Well even you should be able to figure that one out.
JohnnyReb
March 14th, 2013
3:14 pm
HDB – nice try on the Mars rocket but the guys you list don’t even add up to one Maxine!
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
March 14th, 2013
3:15 pm
Obama caught zero Bin Ladens (Navy SEALS – Turkey – 1), Bush caught zero.
Obama gave orders to catch two Bin Ladens. Bush 0
Fixed it.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
March 14th, 2013
3:15 pm
You’re here early today ODD OWL.
Bars not open yet?
indigo
March 14th, 2013
3:15 pm
Tiberius – 12:59
There probably is a measure of truth is what you’re saying.
Unfortunatley, it would require probably triple the number of troops we have on the ground now and we just can’t afford to do this.
So, we either kill them with drones or just ignore them and hope they don’t eventually smuggle a nuclear device into our country.
I vote for the first option.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
March 14th, 2013
3:16 pm
“Obama gave orders to catch two Bin Ladens. Bush 0″
Obama gave orders to catch two Bin Ladens. Bush gave those same orders as well.
Fixed your typo, Cheesy.
Aesop's Fables and other Lib Economic Theories
March 14th, 2013
3:16 pm
So electoral results do change over time, huh.
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
March 14th, 2013
3:18 pm
Bars not open yet?
Southern Hospitality at its finest.
Matz
March 14th, 2013
3:18 pm
“I’m disappointed I did not get at least an amen on my proposal to put a bunch of the Liberal Left on a rocket to Mars.”
The real deficit here is love. Bless his heart. Let’s love him. That’s what Jesus would have us do.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
March 14th, 2013
3:19 pm
“Unfortunatley, it would require probably triple the number of troops we have on the ground now and we just can’t afford to do this.
So, we either kill them with drones or just ignore them and hope they don’t eventually smuggle a nuclear device into our country.
I vote for the first option.”
And you doom this nation to a constant war against terrorism for all time, Indigo. The boots on the ground are largely volunteers (and I completely disagree with your assessment of triple the number – we can actually do it with LESS than what we have now). They know the mission is worth their efforts.
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
March 14th, 2013
3:20 pm
So electoral results do change over time, huh.
Yes.
We are already winning elections and when you look at the growing minority population and younger crowd that overwhelmingly vote Democrat.
Its not gonna get any better. Its only going to get worse.
JohnnyReb
March 14th, 2013
3:20 pm
Gotta go take care of my honey does. Thanks and bye.
HDB
March 14th, 2013
3:21 pm
JohnnyReb
March 14th, 2013
3:14 pm
If you want to go there….let the con-captain be Michele Bachmann….she’ll count TRIPLE!!
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
March 14th, 2013
3:21 pm
“Southern Hospitality at its finest.”
Says the poster who dismisses half the country solely because he doesn’t agree with their choice for President.
independent thinker
March 14th, 2013
3:22 pm
Funny how most of the resident cons here cannot and will not digest the criticisms of 60 years of Republican failures in foreign policy and wars that Kyle has the integrity and backbone to lay out for them. (surprised I agree 100% with this post.)This is truly the party of ignorance and stupidity and dedication to lining the pockets of the military industrial establishment. Eisenhower sure got it right.
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
March 14th, 2013
3:22 pm
Dow hits 10-day winning streak
Stocks climbed Thursday, with the Dow closing higher for the 10th consecutive session and the S&P 500 within striking distance of its all-time closing high, as investors cheered a better-than-expected weekly jobless claims report.
THANK YOU OBAMA !!!!
HDB
March 14th, 2013
3:22 pm
JohnnyReb
March 14th, 2013
3:14 pm
….and throw in Steve King (IA) as the navigator…….
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
March 14th, 2013
3:23 pm
Says the poster who dismisses half the country solely because he doesn’t agree with their choice for President.
Says the poster who insults others by questioning whether they have been drinking already.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
March 14th, 2013
3:24 pm
Cheesy has now won the award for the most repetitively ignorant post for this month on Kyle’s blog at 3:22.
Dusty
March 14th, 2013
3:26 pm
OH dear oh dear libs moan and moan
About whose gonna “drone & drone”..
So Cheesy decides to jump on marriage,
Something no one mentioned or disparaged.
It’s hit and run and deja vu.
Cheesys got to try & distract you.
(Just part of his job.)
.
Aesop's Fables and other Lib Economic Theories
March 14th, 2013
3:26 pm
The libs said that they had a permanent majority in 2008, how’d that work out?
Aesop's Fables and other Lib Economic Theories
March 14th, 2013
3:30 pm
cheesy can’t quite remember what Occupy Wall Street was all about.
Or it never did know.
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
March 14th, 2013
3:30 pm
I was hoping for a credible link, and was disappointed Finn thought he could get away with Alternet again.
One would think such an important story, if credible, would have been reported by the Washington Post and Wall Street Journal.
Aesop's Fables and other Lib Economic Theories
March 14th, 2013
3:31 pm
SEN. RAND PAUL (R-KY): The GOP of old has grown stale and moss-covered. I don’t think we need to name any names, do we? Our party is encumbered by an inconsistent approach to freedom. The new GOP will need to embrace liberty in both the economic and the personal sphere. If we’re going to have a Republican party that can win, liberty needs to be the backbone of the GOP. We must have a message that is broad, our vision must be broad, and that vision must be based on freedom.
There are millions of Americans, young and old, native and immigrant, black, white and brown, who simply seek to live free, to practice a religion, free to choose where their kids go to school, free to choose their own health care, free to keep the fruits of their labor, free to live without government constantly being on their back. I will stand for them. I will stand for you. I will stand for our prosperity and our freedom, and I ask everyone who values liberty to stand with me. Thank you. God bless America.
Agreed.
Dusty
March 14th, 2013
3:33 pm
Thank you Obama for not playing with the DOW.
We know you didn’t because you don’t know how..
Take credit if you will and that’s OK!
As long as you DON’T mess it up in your usual way.
HDB
March 14th, 2013
3:33 pm
Tiberius – pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
March 14th, 2013
3:16 pm
Tibbi….Bush basically said this:
“I don’t know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don’t care. It’s not that important. It’s not our priority” — 3/13/02
Add to that the relationship that the Bushes had with the bin Ladens as part of the Carlyle Group…….you can see why GWB didn’t make OBL a priority (can you say “conflict of interest”??)……….
Aesop's Fables and other Lib Economic Theories
March 14th, 2013
3:34 pm
“Just because I believe that states should have the right to define marriage in a traditional way does not make me a bigot,” he said.
“The people who are actually close-minded in American politics are the people that love to preach about the certainty of science in regards to our climate, but ignore the absolute fact that science has proven that life begins at conception,” Rubio added.
Agreed.
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
March 14th, 2013
3:37 pm
Dusty, perhaps one of your finest efforts!
HDB
March 14th, 2013
3:38 pm
Aesop’s Fables and other Lib Economic Theories
March 14th, 2013
3:31 pm
“There are millions of Americans, young and old, native and immigrant, black, white and brown, who simply seek to live free, to practice a religion, free to choose where their kids go to school, free to choose their own health care, free to keep the fruits of their labor, free to live without government constantly being on their back. I will stand for them.”
Kinda hard to believe when Rand Paul HIMSELF said that he was AGAINST the Civil Rights Act stating that “it’s about controlling property”!!
Which is it???
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/01/09/400521/rand-paul-explains-his-familys-opposition-to-civil-rights-act-its-about-controlling-property/
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
March 14th, 2013
3:39 pm
“Tibbi….Bush basically said this:
“I don’t know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don’t care. It’s not that important. It’s not our priority” — 3/13/02″
And that is changing the argument to suit your preconceived notions, HDB. “Not a priority” doesn’t mean orders were not given or that efforts were not made.
Now, if you can show me where President Incompetent issued specific instructions to ramp-up those earlier standing orders of Bush, feel free to do so in order to bolster your case. Otherwise, it was just a matter of time that someone like Bin Laden would get caught, and Obama just happened to be in office when it occurred.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
March 14th, 2013
3:41 pm
““There are millions of Americans, young and old, native and immigrant, black, white and brown, who simply seek to live free, to practice a religion, free to choose where their kids go to school, free to choose their own health care, free to keep the fruits of their labor, free to live without government constantly being on their back. I will stand for them.”
Kinda hard to believe when Rand Paul HIMSELF said that he was AGAINST the Civil Rights Act stating that “it’s about controlling property”!!
Which is it???”
Or maybe he’s just satisfied with the original wording of the U.S. Constitution, and believes the the Civil Rights Act is superfluous.
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
March 14th, 2013
3:42 pm
Continued idiocy from HDB
He swallows those conspiracy theories willingly.
But as far as conspiracies go
He has no interest in Tony Rezko
(How’d I do, Dusty?)
Dusty
March 14th, 2013
3:50 pm
Poor HDB, late to the fight,
Spinning his two cents against the “right”
So President Bush was not a Navy Seal!!.
Come on, HDB, let’s get real!!
Bush gave the orders and got the chase going
A fact very true in spite of your moaning.
HDB
March 14th, 2013
3:52 pm
Tiberius – pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
March 14th, 2013
3:41 pm
‘Or maybe he’s just satisfied with the original wording of the U.S. Constitution, and believes the the Civil Rights Act is superfluous.”
If that were the case, why did the Dred Scott decision lead to the 14th Amendment….
Article 1, Section 2, Paragraph 3 of the Constitution state this:
“Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons.”
This led to the 13th Amendment……
The Constitution also permiteed the selling of slaves: Article 1, Section 9:
“The Migration or Importation of such Persons as any of the States now existing shall think proper to admit, shall not be prohibited by the Congress prior to the Year one thousand eight hundred and eight, but a Tax or duty may be imposed on such Importation, not exceeding ten dollars for each Person.”
Remember, the Constitution did NOT consider people of color has HUMAN BEINGS!! FAR from superflous, Tibbi……
HDB
March 14th, 2013
3:57 pm
Dusty
March 14th, 2013
3:50 pm
Got one for you too, Dusty…..
Bush and bin Laden sitting at a table…
bin Laden asked Bush “Is your boy able?”
Bush told bin Laden…”won’t be if we’re paid”
Undercover payments equals justice delayed!
Bush ultimately left town…
When the “black guy” came around….
Had the intelligence that Bush didn’t have….
Found OBL…and gave him a watery grave!
Many didn’t like it when the black guy came around…
..but he’s much better than Bush the clown!!
MarkV
March 14th, 2013
3:57 pm
Bush gave the orders and got the chase going
Unfortunately not succeeding.
indigo
March 14th, 2013
4:01 pm
Tiberius – 3:19 “and you doom this nation to a constant war against terriorism”
Are you saying that if we just be nice to those murderous terriorists, they will just go away and leave us alone?
Was 9/11 all our fault?
HDB
March 14th, 2013
4:03 pm
…and don’t forget ARBUSTO!!
“It was later revealed that Bath made an investment of $50,000 while representing Salem bin Laden of the Saudi Binladin Group. This fact became controversial after the September 11, 2001 attacks due to Salem bin Laden being an older, half-brother of Osama bin Laden, who is alleged to have planned and financed the attacks.”
For some, inconspiracy theory lies a modicum of TRUTH!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbusto_Energy
Dusty
March 14th, 2013
4:07 pm
You did good, dear Barry Bailout,
I’m proud of you, without a doubt!
Keep on going ’cause I’ve got to go
Slice the ham and roll the dough!
Burger KIng would be just right
but I’m THE queen of the kitchen tonight.
So it’s ham and biscuits and lotsa good stuff,
And I wish you well (if things get rough!)
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
March 14th, 2013
4:09 pm
“If that were the case, why did the Dred Scott decision lead to the 14th Amendment….”
Improper 19th century thinking.
“Article 1, Section 2, Paragraph 3 of the Constitution state this:
“Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons.”
Not all servants were people of color, HDB. The Constitution references FREE persons. Again, a product of 18th century thinking which was wrong, but an amendment wasn’t needed; wording simply had to be deleted.
“The Constitution also permiteed the selling of slaves: Article 1, Section 9:
“The Migration or Importation of such Persons as any of the States now existing shall think proper to admit, shall not be prohibited by the Congress prior to the Year one thousand eight hundred and eight, but a Tax or duty may be imposed on such Importation, not exceeding ten dollars for each Person.”
“Remember, the Constitution did NOT consider people of color has HUMAN BEINGS!!”
Absolutely, 100% incorrect, HDB.
There is no mention of “people of color” in the Constitution.
Dusty
March 14th, 2013
4:14 pm
HDB
I don’t care who is white, black or brown.
But it is a shame that you are such a bigoted clown.
You think that everyone is just like you.
Fortunately, that is not true.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
March 14th, 2013
4:14 pm
“Are you saying that if we just be nice to those murderous terriorists, they will just go away and leave us alone?”
Why do you persist in being so damned dense, Indigo? I have suggested nothing of the sort. If you cannot debate the points I have made, then just stop trying.
“Was 9/11 all our fault?”
Second dumbest post next to Cheesy’s. However, our insistence on interfering in the Middle East is certainly grounds for some terrorists to act the way they do. We are not blameless in that regard, but our interference wouldn’t rise to the level of their angst if they were in a more enlightened and tolerant country.
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
March 14th, 2013
4:19 pm
Finn, if you want to sucker folks into clicking on your bogus Alternet links, you should hide them behind a tinyurl or something similar.
Dusty
March 14th, 2013
4:19 pm
MarkV
You can’t have an ending without a beginning.
The good start led to the ultimate winning.
Bye…
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
March 14th, 2013
4:22 pm
The anti-antiterror leftards were sad that Our President Bush didn’t pump their hero OBL up by making sure everyone knew he was our #1 priority and the biggest baddest threat out there.
Idiots.
These are the same morons who don’t understand why He didn’t run out of the classroom like his hair was on fire when he was informed of the second attack on the WTC.
Progs: No common sense at all.
@@
March 14th, 2013
4:24 pm
cheesy can’t quite remember what Occupy Wall Street was all about.
I’ll say!!!!
The Occupy movement has also reinvigorated a two-year crusade for student loan forgiveness that Robert Applebaum, a lawyer, launched in 2009. Applebaum’s proposal called for forgiving all student debt as a means of economic stimulus, and economists panned it: Justin Wolfers, an associate professor of business and public policy at the University of Pennsylvania, wrote on the popular Freakonomics blog that it was the “Worst. Idea. Ever.” But Applebaum’s petition eventually gained more than 650,000 signatures, and a version posted to the White House’s “We the People” petition site gathered more than 30,000 and received an official written response.
“We agree that reducing the burden of student loans is an effective way to stimulate the economy and save taxpayer dollars,” Roberto Rodriguez, a special assistant to the president for education policy, wrote.
The response went on to tout the Obama administration’s plan to ease repayment for some borrowers.
.
.
.
So far, Applebaum at least is willing to give the president the benefit of the doubt. The administration’s proposed loan changes are modest when compared with his call, echoed by many Occupy protesters, to eliminate student debt entirely. “It really doesn’t do much to help anyone,” Applebaum says of the new initiative. “That’s not, in my opinion, because the president doesn’t want to do more. It’s that he can’t do more. There’s only so much he can do on his own.”
http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2011/11/15/occupy-protests-focusing-increasingly-student-debt
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
March 14th, 2013
4:33 pm
“what Occupy Wall Street was all about”
———————-
free stuff
MarkV
March 14th, 2013
4:33 pm
Dusty @ 4:19 pm
“You can’t have an ending without a beginning.
The good start led to the ultimate winning”
Going back to prose: Tell that, Dusty, to every Olympic (or other) athlete who started the event well and then failed, or to those who started in the back and finished first.
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
March 14th, 2013
4:39 pm
When it comes to getting bin Laden, Obozo ran home from third base and thought he hit a home run.
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
March 14th, 2013
4:41 pm
After the Dow hit a 10-day winning streak on Thursday—for the first time since 1996—investors’ message is clear: the Great Recession may finally be ending.
THANK YOU OBAMA !!!!
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
March 14th, 2013
4:43 pm
Weakest recovery ever. I’m supposed to be thankful that it took Obozo four years to get the Dow back where it was before the recession? Without accounting for inflation, that is?
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
March 14th, 2013
4:54 pm
I’m supposed to be thankful that it took Obozo four years to get the Dow back where it was before the recession?
That is just how big of a disaster Bush was. It took this long to recover from his Presidency.
independent thinker
March 14th, 2013
5:08 pm
Amazing how none of the halfwits on this blog can fathom the seriousness for the Republican party of the charges leveled in Kyle’s post. Aside from invading Grenada, and the liberating Kuwait, when did the Republicans ever conduct a successful and efficient military operation with limited loss of life and a total victory since WW II??? Yet they want to go to war with Russia, Iran, China, N. Korea and the entire Muslim fundamentalist world and overthrow the government in Syria and put Al-Quaida in charge. Some foreign policy!!!! How much more should we expand the military budget??? 230% since 2000 is obviously not enough according to Romney. How much????
Definitely too hard a topic for the members of the stupid party.Kyle needs to find another topic. That’s why the Southern voters are the base of the GOP.
Example of the stupidity being exhibited here on this topic:
“”"”"”"”"”The anti-antiterror leftards were sad that Our President Bush didn’t pump their hero OBL up by making sure everyone knew he was our #1 priority and the biggest baddest threat out there.
Idiots.
These are the same morons who don’t understand why He didn’t run out of the classroom like his hair was on fire when he was informed of the second attack on the WTC.”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"
Ah yes stupidity is bliss!
Aesop's Fables and other Lib Economic Theories
March 14th, 2013
5:18 pm
Does anybody remember that 2 hours ago cheesy said it was leaving?
Please, begone already.
Finn McCool (the system isn't broken; it's fixed)
March 14th, 2013
5:25 pm
We found Kyle!
Man accused of ‘hog-tying’ boys, taping them
Finn McCool (the system isn't broken; it's fixed)
March 14th, 2013
5:27 pm
Please, begone already.
Please don’t question my intellectual authoriti.
How does South Park’s Cartman pronounce it? Authoriti?
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
March 14th, 2013
5:31 pm
“Aside from invading Grenada, and the liberating Kuwait, when did the Republicans ever conduct a successful and efficient military operation with limited loss of life and a total victory since WW II??? ”
Iraq and Afghanistan, not so independent non-thinker.
Swept through both oppositions in record time and with minimal loss of life.
Now, if you want to discuss the ensuing misguided occupations following total victory over organized opposing forces, please do.
Finn McCool (the system isn't broken; it's fixed)
March 14th, 2013
5:44 pm
In Afghanistan, Tiberius?
Finn McCool (the system isn't broken; it's fixed)
March 14th, 2013
5:46 pm
That is just how big of a disaster Bush was. It took this long to recover from his Presidency.
We aren’t really recovered yet cheesy. W dug a much bigger hole than we all thought he would.
Finn McCool (the system isn't broken; it's fixed)
March 14th, 2013
5:49 pm
One would think such an important story, if credible, would have been reported by the Washington Post and Wall Street Journal.
Can’t expect news channels to spend much time on 40 year old questions. Those questions get analyzed in the history books or maybe – maybe – an expose in something like Time mag or Newsweek.
Finn McCool (the system isn't broken; it's fixed)
March 14th, 2013
5:51 pm
W dug a much bigger hole than we all thought he would.
We knew the damage would be bad – and deep – but we couldn’t portend the degree we accomplished.
Let’s start 2 wars and give out tax breaks at the same time!! Brought to you by Fiscal Conservatives one and all.
Can”t do math much….
indigo
March 14th, 2013
5:52 pm
Tiberius
So explain how I “doom this nation to a constant war against terriorism for all time”.
And then explain how you would persudade those terriorists to just leave us alone.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
March 14th, 2013
5:53 pm
Yes, Finn, Afghanistan.
But then, you’d have to read and understand the question as asked, featuring the words “successful and efficient military operation with limited loss of life and a total victory”.
If you disagree, please make the case that our armed forces did not sweep through whatever organized armed forces in Afghanistan.
Again, if you have a problem with the ensuing occupations, you’ll likely find common ground with me, but that wasn’t the question posed.
Just Saying..
March 14th, 2013
6:01 pm
““At the same time Republicans are moving to the right. Mostly because of the Gerrymandered districts that made it safe for them. Now their competition is from their right.”
This continues to be one of the dumbest statements made on Kyle’s blog.”
Because Saxby’s competition was from the left…
Hillbilly D
March 14th, 2013
6:09 pm
I’ve heard it said that even a stopped clock is right, twice a day. I reckon that just proves that a stopped clock is better than the one the AJC uses on these blogs.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
March 14th, 2013
6:10 pm
“So explain how I “doom this nation to a constant war against terriorism for all time”.
Because killing off the people who stick their heads up doesn’t get you to the masterminds. Because for every head that pops up, 50 (or likely 100 more keep their heads down until another opportunity presents itself. Because you cannot stop a plot which takes 20 people by killing off one of them. Got it?
“And then explain how you would persudade those terriorists to just leave us alone.”
And now I’m convinced you really are that dense. Once again, I have never made that claim. It is merely your attempt to bolster your position without actually addressing mine. When you catch the one that pops his head up, you interrogate them. When you interrogate them, you get names and locations of others in their cell. When you find them, you get other names. You get bank records which can be traced to the financiers of the operations. Then you go get them. And so on and so on and so on.
It’s called intelligence, and it is apparent to me that neither you nor President Incompetent has any clue what that means.
But when you kill one off, all leads back to who is running the operation are severed for all time.
Now, as to convincing them to leave us alone, it is a proven fact that you can’t keep some people from coveting the property of others. You and the 50% of people who voted for President Incompetent twice prove that on a daily basis on this blog. So some will never be convinced to leave us alone. As for the others, you can address it one of two ways; you can disengage from the Middle Easy militarily (from the land side at least) and simply provide protection for sea lanes to get their oil to us safely and efficiently. WE can also become more energy independent so that we have little reason to have a presence in the Middle East.
If disengagement isn’t your cup of tea, we can still be engaged in bringing about Western-style civilization to them by continuing to buy their products and funneling money to them. We will need to work on removing the monarchies those idiot British put in place through a gradual influencing of younger people with an appreciation of democracy. However, the forcing of such as we have tried to do is a recipe for failure.
If the carrot doesn’t work, the stick can be used again if they refuse to stop attacking us. And we still possess a pretty big stick, even if our current administration doesn’t really know how to use it.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
March 14th, 2013
6:15 pm
“Because Saxby’s competition was from the left…”
Of course, the subject was gerrymandered HOUSE districts (since it is impossible to gerrymander an entire state) Just Saying, but don’t let that little detail bog you down, son.
Just Saying..
March 14th, 2013
6:17 pm
“…President Incompetent has any clue…”
That be two term President Incompetent.
Slayer of the best the ‘Pubs can put up…
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
March 14th, 2013
6:18 pm
Cheesy: It took this long to recover from his Presidency.
———————-
Correction. It took the incompetent Obozo this long to recover after Our President Bush ended the recession. Much longer than it took Our President Reagan to recover from the Carter recession, and every other president to recover from every other recession in history.
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
March 14th, 2013
6:20 pm
We could have thrown darts at a list of recovery options and done better than Obozo. Hell, doing nothing would have been better than what Obozo did.
Finn McCool (the system isn't broken; it's fixed)
March 14th, 2013
6:26 pm
e could have thrown darts at a list of recovery options and done better than Obozo. Hell, doing nothing would have been better than what Obozo did.
coming from an expert in all things Economics. LOL
mwuahahhahahahahaahaaaaa. Bet he/she also thinks personal finance works the same as government finance.
mwuahahhahahahahahaha
MrLiberty
March 14th, 2013
6:29 pm
So long as the neocon scum continue to infest the GOP there will never be any peace on the planet. They will invent the wars they need, just like they did in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Pakistan, Yemen, and soon in Iran. There is WAY TOO MUCH MONEY to be made for the people who support these clowns for them to ever promote a sound and sensible foreign policy that involves actually defending american interests over those of Israel, big oil, big banking, military contractors, the global surveillance state, the drug-running CIA, the prison-industrial complex, and worth mentioning again – Israel. The interests of the men and women who will die in these senseless wars as tools of our global empire mean nothing. The security and economic future of the american citizens means nothing. All that matters is persuing their goal of a global world government/american empire at the expense of everything else. Conservatives have been suckered in by a bunch of Trotskyite liberal leftovers who are now using the republican party to achieve their goals after being kicked out of the democratic party after WW2.
These criminals need to be purged from the party and national politics in general while there is still time to restore our republic.
Just Saying..
March 14th, 2013
6:31 pm
“…Of course, the subject was gerrymandered HOUSE districts…”
Wrong again, “This time we almost made it Tiberius”. The subject is the political compass point ‘Pubs have boxed themselves into, where only a bigger nut can pose a primary challenge to them. The fact that the touted challengers to Sax were Paul Broun and the renowned “Akin was correct” gynecologist Tom Price illustrates the point.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
March 14th, 2013
6:34 pm
“coming from an expert in all things Economics. LOL”
As opposed to someone whose entire participation here is a series of cut and paste links to far-left websites?
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
March 14th, 2013
6:34 pm
“Akin was correct” gynecologist Tom Price
——————
Link please.
Didn’t think so.
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
March 14th, 2013
6:35 pm
gerrymandered HOUSE districts
——————-
If you want to be in charge of redistricting, you’re going to have to win some elections.
Just Saying..
March 14th, 2013
6:36 pm
” Hell, doing nothing would have been better than what Obozo did.”
Hey, Barry, dial this on your Obamaphone: 332-206
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
March 14th, 2013
6:37 pm
“The subject is the political compass point ‘Pubs have boxed themselves into, where only a bigger nut can pose a primary challenge to them. ”
Wrong again, Just Saying. You need to pay more attention before taking on the adults.
When the term “gerrymandered districts” is used to make a case in electoral politics, the ONLY thing you are discussing are HOUSE races.
Epic fail again, sonny.
Now if you wish to expand the discussion to Senate races, feel free, but that was not the subject to begin with.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
March 14th, 2013
6:40 pm
“Hey, Barry, dial this on your Obamaphone: 332-206″
The last refuge of the Incompetent is to bring up a completely unrelated comment like the one above.
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
March 14th, 2013
6:45 pm
332? Not exactly Reagan territory.
Just Saying..
March 14th, 2013
6:46 pm
“Akin was correct” gynecologist Tom Price
——————
Link please.
You’re correct, Barry, Phil Gingrey beat him to it.
But you might want to stand by for breaking news…
Just Saying..
March 14th, 2013
6:47 pm
“Not exactly Reagan territory.”
Where does that leave Mitt?
indigo
March 14th, 2013
6:49 pm
Tiberius – “it’s called intelligence’
Yet it is. And, to repeat, we would need a HUGE number of troops to be all over any and every country where those terrorists might decide to roost. You and John McCain to the contrary, there is no way we could possibly afford to do that.
You have painted a farily easy way out of this terrorist mess. Has it not occured to you that if your way is correct, both Bush and Obama would have figured it out and it would have been long since done.
You cons love answers that seem simple and easy, no matter how complex the issues are.
Islamic terrorists are fundamentally insane with hatred for us and their schools grind out more of these crazies each and every day. Terrorism is going to be a constant threat to us for the foreseeable future. No president, either Republican or Democrat, will be able to change this.
If and when these terorists succeed in smuggling in a nuclear device and blowing up one of our cities, your charitable attitude to them just might change.
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
March 14th, 2013
6:50 pm
“Not exactly Reagan territory.”
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Americans loved Our President Reagan. He did much better than Obozo as a result. Obozo will never be beloved, as Reagan is.
Just Saying..
March 14th, 2013
6:57 pm
“… completely unrelated comment like the one above.”
You’re oh so right, “We were THAT close” Tiberius.
Citing the Constitutional margin that the Republican candidate fell before an Incompetent President and Uncle Joe has no relevance at all to the political might of today’s Republican Party.
They accepted your offer of help on the Transition Team, yes? Must have been a heady moment.
Even for you…
Just Saying..
March 14th, 2013
7:00 pm
“Obozo will never be beloved, as Reagan is.”
If ever words will come back to haunt someone…
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
March 14th, 2013
7:01 pm
Isn’t it about time for those idiots in Norway to give Obozo another Nobel prize for having accomplished nothing?
independent thinker
March 14th, 2013
7:04 pm
Kyle asks “”"”"”"”"Where does conservative military policy go from here?”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"
Proving that the Southern GOP base is composed primarily of low intellect , low voltage and dimwit voters, not one member of the Stupid Party here could answer the question in a coherent and logical manner.
Just proves the GOP is in serious trouble.
Thanks Kyle for proving the point- Very well done.
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
March 14th, 2013
7:04 pm
Oh, look, Moochelle, I found another Nobel in my Lucky Charms!
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
March 14th, 2013
7:10 pm
independent thinker, I guess you missed the very first post on this topic from one of the resident conservatives.
Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life, son.
Just Saying..
March 14th, 2013
7:11 pm
“Moochelle”
That’s hilarious, Barry.
Anything else in that bottle?
Politico
March 14th, 2013
7:49 pm
“Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life, son.”
Well now that you know that, are you going to change your ways?
JF McNamara
March 14th, 2013
8:11 pm
It’s the same as always for cons, and won’t ever change. If you don’t do what we say or give us what we want, we will bomb you. Look at how many military operations we have had since 1950, and Obama isn’t really slowing the trend with his drone wars.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_United_States_military_operations
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
March 14th, 2013
8:41 pm
Look at how many military operations we have had since 1950
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Korea–Truman
Vietnam–Kennedy
Those were a couple of pretty big ones.
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
March 14th, 2013
8:57 pm
Dang, remember when Democrats fought communists? Now they worship one.
Hillbilly D
March 14th, 2013
9:36 pm
The city of Atlanta’s economic development arm would get free seats at some events at a new downtown stadium for the Falcons, a provision in the proposed deal that drew questions Thursday as key votes loom on the plan.
Somehow, regardless of your political persuasion, you had to see this one coming…….
http://www.ajc.com/news/news/stadium-tickets-promise-raises-council-concerns/nWsGD/
wsm_marathoner
March 14th, 2013
9:57 pm
As a 50 year old Gay conservative, gay marriage needs to be a Priority since it is the most important issue in the last 200 years. I love God and God loves Gays!!!!!!!
bluecoat
March 14th, 2013
10:45 pm
Grenada—Reagan whoopie do………….I think. From organizer to President one giant step for mankind.
independent thinker
March 14th, 2013
11:03 pm
Glad to see Rubio has candidly answered Kyle’s question about where conservatives go from here on their foreign policy failures “We have no new ideas” -See Bookman’s blog. Kinda like the childish commentary in response to Kyle’s question on this blog
wsm_marathoner
March 14th, 2013
11:29 pm
At least one conservative gets it – Washington (CNN) – You probably recognize Sen. Rob Portman from his tireless campaigning for Mitt Romney in 2012. He was even on the short list to be Romney’s running mate.He’s been a leading Republican voice on economic issues for four decades.
Now, the prominent Ohio conservative will be known for something else: reversing his hardline position against gay marriage.
FINALLY! I may even be able to wear my Red velvet blazer to the GOP convention. Winning!
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
March 15th, 2013
3:20 am
“The city of Atlanta’s economic development arm would get free seats at some events at a new downtown stadium”
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And who is part of this “economic development arm”? Mostly, the usual suspects in Atlanta city politics. Mostly, if not all, Democrats.
Aesop's Fables and other Lib Economic Theories
March 15th, 2013
5:27 am
I’m pretty sure that portman has always been gay.