Corporate welfare alive and well in the Obama administration

Nicely written, Kyle!

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Kyle

Good article. Unfortunately I don’t foresee much more than rhetoric from both sides in terms of the relationship of government and big business.

One can go over the Gold Dome to see it is full steam ahead right here in the state. Of course that pales in comparison to the national context, but it is going on regardless.

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Cronyism and patronage has been alive and well in both political parties forever. It is just the Democrats’ pretending otherwise that is new.

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And the American people.

‘Cause naming one thing that government did in the last 2 years to help lower unemployment would be a waste of time and effort.

So its only Obama’s fault when it goes up

Gotcha.

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“So its only Obama’s fault when it goes up”

Reading comprehension with you is so lacking, Cheesy.

Did you see President Incompetent’s name in my post?

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Germany recently hit a milestone of supplying more than 1/3 of its electricity from solar. Of course to a bunch of hayseed members of the stupid party that fact has no significance. They think the only thing you can get from the sun is a sunburn and red neck.Keep paying GA. Power those whopping increases as they profit from the cost overruns on nuclear plants that may never be completed. And none of it comes from solar in sunny Georgia

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Cronyism and patronage has been alive and well in both political parties forever. It is just the Democrats’ pretending otherwise that is new.

Kinda like the family values Republicans. Thing is sexual indiscretions have no impact on our economy.

We all pay for the dem’s hypocrisy.

Reform the tax code!

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“Carney’s right. Obama isn’t anti-business. He’s anti-markets.”

Which markets is he against? Stock market at an all time high. Seems like all markets are doing fine to me.

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“Obama isn’t anti-business. He’s anti-markets.”

WHOA!!! The same can be said for Republicans……

Ronald Reagan eliminated tax credits for residential uses of alternative energy, thereby closing the solar and wind markets to consumers. Because of that, GE…which was previously the industry leader in wind technology…lost ground to Siemens AG….who is now the leader in producing wind turbines. Germany now produces 1/5 of its energy from renewable sources (wind/solar, et. al.). When the tax credits were restored by Bill Clinton, the US had already lost ground to the Germans…and the Chinese!!

Both sides are guilty, Kyle………

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Get rid of all loopholes and subsidies, including the mortgage interest deduction.

We can agree on this.

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Republican plebes vote for smaller gov everytime but NEVER get it.
Dems vote for bigger government and ALWAYs get what they want.
I’m having to reconsider which group of sheep are less smarter……………………..lol
But anyhow————-
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Jacob Hornberger gets it———Libertarians are superior .
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I think I feel sorrier for conservatives than I do for liberals. That’s because it’s increasingly clear that so many conservatives want so desperately to be like libertarians but they just can’t bring themselves to let go of the statism that grips their hearts and minds. For example, conservatives’ favorite mantra is “free enterprise, private property, and limited government.” Yet, they cannot let go of their undying allegiance to Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, farm subsidies, FDIC, public housing, corporate bailouts, public schooling, foreign aid to dictators, and virtually every other aspect of the welfare state.

At the same time, even while repeatedly exclaiming against “big government,” another favorite conservative mantra, conservatives cannot bring themselves to let go of their fierce commitment to the vast U.S. military establishment, overseas empire of bases, CIA, foreign interventionism, sanctions, embargoes, torture, assassinations, kidnappings, regime-change operations, the drug war, and the entire Cold War national-security state apparatus that is the very embodiment of “big government.”

In their hearts conservatives know that we libertarians are right in calling for the dismantling and repeal of all these socialist, interventionist, and imperialist programs. Deep down, they know that there is no way to reconcile their favorite mantras with their unwavering commitment to the welfare-warfare state, but they just cannot bring themselves to place their trust in freedom, free markets, and limited government, as we libertarians do.

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@Tiberius,

The stock market is an aggregate value of all of the top companies in America. That says a lot about the health of the economy. All of the indexes, including the Wilshire 5,000 are near all time highs.

If he’s against the free market, how can the stock market flourish? If his policies are so bad, shouldn’t the markets be crashing? Shouldn’t unemployment be increasing instead of decreasing?

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“Everyone is against a free market. ”

Speak for yourself, Finn.

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Bait and switch Obama at his best.

He campaigns:

Against corporate welfare but OK with it, if it is green or helps his campaign contributors.
Against ear marks unless they were already in the spending packages developed under Bush.
Against same sex marriage, but for it now that it is politically correct
Against taking your guns, yet now he is for more gun control
Against secrecy in the Exec branch, but now he is for using secrecy to protect his people
Against unpatriotic and irresponsible spending, but runs up 6T in debt
Against unnecessary wars, but he continued to pursue them both, and continues to engage in one.
Against lobbyist in his WH, yet it is overrun with former lobbyist
Against cutting tax loopholes to raise money, he laughed at Romney’s suggestion, now he campaigns for cutting loopholes.

Just some examples of his bait and switch strategy, of tell them what they want to hear and then do whatever you wanted to do anyway.

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“The stock market is an aggregate value of all of the top companies in America. That says a lot about the health of the economy.”

No, it says a lot about the PROFITABILITY of the companies, which is why investors invest.

The only way his policies have helped Wall St is to cause companies to save more of their money until times get better. Not necessarily a bad thing, but it has nothing to do with the health of the economy.

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Do both buyers and sellers benefit when housing prices are high? Buyers would say no.

Do both buyers and sellers benefit in a depressed housing market? Sellers would say no.

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HDB, repeating the hyperbole doesn’t make it any less wrong.

No markets were CLOSED (and there was certainly NO market for home-based wind turbines).

They were made less attractive, but NOT CLOSED.

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“I’m not even going to answer that. Anyone who reads that will immediately disregard anything else you write.”

JF McNamara-speak for “I got schooled”.

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Tib can’t back up his claim, so he doubles down on it.

Now we ALL hate you.

Liar.

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Tiberius – pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
March 8th, 2013
12:57 pm

“and there was certainly NO market for home-based wind turbines.”

Actually there was, Tibbi, …..but it wasn’t primarily based in the South; home-based wind turbines are primarily found in the Great Plains and the Midwest……..check this out for more: http://www.renewwisconsin.org/wind/Toolbox-Homeowners/Apples%20and%20Oranges.pdf

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Right, Kyle! Big Business is forever in holy alliance with government. That’s because Big Business foots the campaign expenses of our politicians. Besides, most Americans think government should be run like a business. Indeed, our government seems to be run like pre-bailout General Motors.

Our economy is able to withstand the high cost of Big Business favors and subsidies because federal deficit spending is injecting sufficient capital to cover 7% of our GDP (10 million of our jobs).

Foolish European governments are trying to reign in their deficits by cutting government spending. Predictably and inexorably, reduced government spending in a sluggish economy produces economic recession and job loss.

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“You don’t understand how the economy works at all.”

Actually, I do. Far better than you, JF.

What you don’t understand is the stock market and why people invest.

Which is why you got schooled.

“If you are saying that the top 5,000 companies increasing revenues and becoming more efficient to the point they have record profitability doesn’t mean the economy is better, then there’s no help for you.”

Means the companies are in better shape, but not the economy. Come back when our GDP growth is at 6% or more per year, and we’ll talk about the economy being better.

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HDB, you’ll never get it. Unless you can sell enough turbines to create multiple wind farms, you won’t make money at it.

And you’re not going to sell enough to homeowners to make up that loss. Even in Wisconsin.

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But, I guess that as long as he pays enough lip service to “leveling the playing field”, no one will hold him responsible.

no we hold him responsible. Remember, he got the job as a result of an election. Would we have been in a better situation if we had voted for a guy from Wall street? We thought not. So we voted for the other guy, the lesser evil.

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when the whole Obama phone thing has been debunked about 50 times why does Barry continue to use it? Am I missing something?

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“no we hold him responsible.”

Since when?

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I wonder if Aynie lets his/her doctor prescribe antibiotics for the common cold?

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Bruno, there is no long-term if the short-term kills! Have you ever heard of an economy working its way out of recession by austerity? For God’s sake, it took WW2 to jump-start our economy after the Hoover-Republican depression!

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“no we hold him responsible.” Since when?

turn off the Fox News and turn on Maddow, or go read a few articles at Alternet.org, Truthout, Salon, slate, Rolling Stone, Esquire. or go read Krugman.

If you open your eyes you will find a lot of liberals bitchin and moanin about Obama. You just choose to keep the blinders on.

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It’s kinda like the battered wife syndrome.

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Big Oil and the Electric companies have enjoyed subsidies and tax breaks for many decades as the result of their lobbyists. So if the scales are tipped in the direction of “Green Energy” for a couple years, yes, I’ll consider that as an attempt at leveling the playing field.

Rafe, have you heard of keeping your enemies closer?

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Completely off topic but I’m looking at House Bill 512 which passed the House yesterday. This legislation will allow people to take guns into various places, including bars. Umm….I’m all for owning guns for personal protection but is a bar full of gun wielding drunks really a great idea? It sounds like a recipe for a whole bunch of police overtime.

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Libs get ticked when companies “sit on trillions in cash” and they get ticked when they use it to repurchase shares. They obviously have a tenuous grasp on reality and aren’t happy, no matter what.

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I didn’t invent the word “Obamaphone”. The Obamaphone lady did. Take it up with her.

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The cuts end our recovery so enjoy the better unemployment numbers today.

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It’s discouraging when self righteousness creates a changing environment where rent seeking is a key to success. Ask yourelves how much of that self righteous influence would be obstructed by the FairTax.

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“The cuts end our recovery so enjoy the better unemployment numbers today.”

Yeah, ’cause a miniscule cutting of the rate of increases in our already bloated spending is just so . . .

. . . . austere.

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“This is what the dean Baker book is all about. No one really wants a “free market”.”

There are arguments that can be made that any and all regulations can be done without, assuming we can develop an educated and discerning consumer culture.

Lots of morons bought into Adjustable Rate Mortgages because they ASSUMED the government was watching out for them and wouldn’t let anyone take advantage of them. Well, many people were wrong about that.

If they hadn’t been brainwashed into thinking government regulation is always benevolent, perfect and wise, they may have been more skeptical about the terms of the loan, done more homework, and relied on themselves to protect their interests instead of a government regulation.

This is just one example.

Even child labor laws are hypothetically unnecessary, if our consumer culture were more discerning and educated. Don’t like a company that employs children? Boycott. Don’t buy from them, and tell your friends. The market will correct it.

This is an extreme example of course, but saying “no one wants a free market” isn’t always true. A “free market” corrects itself if the consumer pays enough attention to where his or her money goes and doesn’t rely on the government to do it for them.

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It’s the obozobomb!

Record 89,304,000 Americans ‘Not in Labor Force’ — 296,000 Fewer Employed Since January

Fewer tax payers, less revenue, more takers, tweak the job numbers and make the minions cheer this unmitagated disaster, obozobombs away!

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“”"”"”"”"”"hursday afternoon in Toledo, Ohio—where the story has received significant play in local media—United Auto Workers president Bob King joined Palast and Service Employees International Union vice president Tom Woodruff to call upon the US Office of Government Ethics to look into Romney’s financial disclosures and their failure to list the Delphi investments. Along with several groups like CREW and Public Citizen, the union leaders also sent a letter to OGE demanding a formal investigation.

“The American people have a right to know about Governor Romney’s potential conflicts of interest, such as the profits his family made from the auto rescue,” said King. “It’s time for Governor Romney to disclose or divest.”

As Palast reported, a trust in Ann Romney’s name listed “more than $1 million” invested with Elliott Management, run by hedge fund guru and GOP mega-donor Paul Singer. (That’s the minimum amount of disclosure required by law, so it could have been much more than $1 million.) Singer subsequently snapped up large amounts of stock in Delphi at pennies on the dollar, and then, along with other hedge funds, demanded that the government assume pension responsibilities and bail the company out—or they would shut it down, thus crushing General Motors as well.

The government acceded, Delphi became lucrative again and then went public, and Elliott Management and its investors—including Romney—reaped enormous rewards.”"”"”"”"”"”"”"

http://www.thenation.com/blog/170967/did-mitt-romney-break-law-failing-disclose-delphi-investments

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Ethanol as a fuel additive is a complete failure and we need to quit subsidizing this. This stuff creates more problems than it solves and needlessly increases the price of fuel.

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I wish I could say that it’s all good news, but it isn’t. Those low interest rates are the sign of an economy that is nowhere near to a full recovery from the financial crisis of 2008, while the high level of stock prices shouldn’t be cause for celebration; it is, in large part, a reflection of the growing disconnect between productivity and wages.

Krugman

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When the names fly at the president, you have a crying baby on your hands.

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“Corporate welfare alive and well”

Yes we know. ALL welfare, no matter who it goes to, needs to be cut. Period.

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“Brainwashed by fox and rw media to think cutting big oil or bank welfare is bad.

You think we should cut SS and Medicare instead so you can shut up about welfare.”

Some of us believe they ALL should be cut.

You? Not so much.

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“You? Not so much.”

I stand with our President on his agenda of deficit reduction.

I think cuts should start after we reach full employment.

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LOL @ Tiberius, SMH…

“Come back when our GDP growth is at 6% or more per year”

The GDP growth rate has only topped 6% 4 times since 1965 with the last time being 1984. The annual average is 3.23%. By your standards, we have had a terrible economy since 1984.

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Thanks for proving my point class.

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I’m sorry getalife, what was your point?

I’ll ask again: If the fed levied an incredibly burdensome tax rate on oil companies, would they: A) keep prices the same. B) lower prices C) raise prices?

You are a broken record when it comes to tax breaks for oil companies. I just want to see if you recognize what an impact oil prices have on our economy.

Heck, I don’t even care if you answer my rhetorical question, I just want to see if you can come up with a intelligent response.

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“I stand with our President on his agenda of deficit reduction.”

Get back to me when he HAS an agenda for deficit reduction.

Besides a campaign speech.

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You got your cuts so shut up.

It is funny watching the gop trying to squirm their way out of them.

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How dare you Kyle. Didn’t you know that the APS-generated lib moonbats around here only believe that corporate welfare is a con game?

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Our President is investing in green energy.

That is a campaign promise that he is actually doing.

Deal with it hypocrites and self self defeatists.

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“You got your cuts so shut up.

No, we didn’t, so no, we won’t.

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“Total laissez-faire economics doesn’t work because the consumer would be at the mercy of a manufacturer with limited access for redress!! Note the lead paint in toys made in China that wouldn’t have been caught save for the regulations that banned it.”

The redress of the consumer is not to buy from that manufacturer. Starve them of revenue, they will go out of business. Buy from a competitor. The lead paint in Chinese toys is a good argument, but the redress in that circumstance is for the consumer not to buy toys made in China. Ever. Again, consumers should educate themselves before spending money, and not rely on the government to do it for them.

And by the way, did regulation stop the Chinese from exporting toys with lead paint? Regulation didn’t catch it, sick children did.

Government regulation is necessary because most people are stupid and lazy. The problem is when those stupid and lazy people RELY on government regulation to make everything perfect. Government, despite what liberals think, is far from omniscient and perfect.

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Class of ‘98
March 8th, 2013
2:29 pm

May I ask you this: IF you believe that the oil companies require their tax subsidies for exploration, then why are we paying the oil companies for sitting on leases that they are not using…as they simultaneously whine about not being able to get additional land leases? Shouldn’t they use the leases they have and explore there FIRST before requesting for additional leases??

IMHO, we should CUT oil subsidies until they decide to use the leases they already have……

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The cuts are for ten years so predicting the consequences is guessing.

gramm invented sequestration and they used it before.

The gop weaseled out of those cuts like they are trying to do now.

Big oil and bank welfare are low hanging fruit your party failed to cut.

Thank you President Obama for investing in green energy.

We need a green energy bubble for jobs.

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“IMHO, we should CUT oil subsidies until they decide to use the leases they already have……”

HBD, that’s a sentence with which I could not agree more.

I am 100% against any and all government subsidies. It warps the market. FWIW, I do believe some regulation is necessary, and agree with child labor laws. But I also recognize that 99% of the time government meddling and regulation exacerbate problems they were intended to cure.

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it’s neither environmentalists on the left nor free marketeers on the right, but the lobby groups that seek as many beneficial — for their corporate members — government subsidies and mandates as possible:

That’s got to be right up there with “the sun will rise in the east”. Anybody that thinks any of these politicians, on either side, give a damn about anything but themselves is naive, at best. Government isn’t there to serve us; it’s there to serve them and they play everybody like a cheap violin, daily.

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President Clinton wanted investors to invest in green energy instead of the gse’s housing scam.

President Clinton is right and so is President Obama.

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I should add so was President Carter.

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I think President Obama will continue to serve like Presidents Clinton and Carter.

What are w and cheney doing?

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What is willard romney doing?

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You cons do not even want to cut the corporate welfare of tax loop holes.

You do not want cuts.

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Biggest gov.blunder,not solyndra.. Ethanol,Ethanol,Ethanol.

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Romney is laughing along with the rest of us. Take your party’s credibility and flush it down the toilet. Run pop stars and bubbleheads for serious Senate seat that you can convert to late night comedy. It’s a gas in the dummycrat party.

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“an INDIVIDUAL has limited force of redress against a corporation whereas the FORCE of the government is stronger and more effective.”

I don’t agree with that. Government bureaucracies quickly become wasteful, and worse, corrupt. It may be stronger, but more effective is up for debate.

I don’t want to debate the housing meltdown again, but the bubble which ultimately burst was caused in large part by over-regulation, i.e. Freddie and Fannie backing and buying private loans. Politicians of both parties pushed for more Americans being qualified for home loans. This is a prime example of government meddling causing a bigger problem than if they had just stayed out of it to start with.

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The dick that said deficits don’t matter?

The dick that lied about Iraq?

The dick that gave the banks and military complex a blank check to rob our treasury?

The dick that exploded our deficit?

That dick aesop?

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Romney is laughing along with the rest of us

I dont think you get out much.

Those people you think your laughing with… are laughing at you.

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Tiberius – pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
March 8th, 2013
2:44 pm

“Ahhh, the word “access”. The new watchword for libs when they can’t get government to provide something to them.”

Not in this case, Tibbi…..note the power of the individual vs. the power of the corporation!! If there is not an entity to equalize things, the corporations would be running roughshod over the consumer. Government regulation puts the force of the government into play, thereby creating a level of consumer protection against corporate largesses…and equalizing access to redress through the government. You can’t say that the courts are the equalizer because an INDIVIDUAL consumer does not have the comparable legal and/or financial power compared to a corporation. That’s my point…..

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Halliburton, blackwater anyone?

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Must be a different Dick, gitmo.

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Federal spending has actually gone down under Obama but then nuts here wont let facts get in the way.

See? They’re a laugh a minute.

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“note the power of the individual vs. the power of the corporation!!”

The difference between you and me, HDB, is that’s you’ll never realize that the power of the individual is the ultimate power.

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See? They’re a laugh a minute.

But its true. You would have to take the blinders off to see it which you wont do.

Fox News and the Cons tell you it is so. And after that you never question it.

Republicans like to say we have a spending problem, not a taxing problem, but the evidence doesn’t back that up. Total government spending didn’t go up much during the Clinton era, and it’s actually declined during the Obama era. In the last two decades, it’s only gone up significantly during the Bush era, the same era in which taxes were cut dramatically.

What we have isn’t a spending problem. That’s under control. What we have is a problem with Republicans not wanting to pay the bills they themselves were largely responsible for running up.

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Class of ‘98
March 8th, 2013
3:04 pm

“the bubble which ultimately burst was caused in large part by over-regulation, i.e. Freddie and Fannie backing and buying private loans…..”

Actually…..it was DEREGULATION….starting with the repeal of Glass-Stegall..which allowed investment banks to merge with commercial banks, the growth of the sub-prime lending market, mortgage-backed securities…then an economic downturn……

No regulation made the banks change the credit requirements…they did that themselves…….

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Bush left office with a 66 percent Disapproval rating

He was a disaster.

We are just now recovering.

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“Total government spending didn’t go up much during the Clinton era, and it’s actually declined during the Obama era.”

Total government spending during the President Incompetent administration has resulted in another $5+ trillion in additional debt, Cheesy.

Only in your warped world does that equate to “Total government spending . . . actually declined during the Obama era.

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W wouldn’t tear the liberals a new one so I always added my disapproval vote to the rock solid 47% lib side.

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If Bush had slapped obozo’s face for all those filthy lies in 2008, he’d be on Rushmore by now.

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Federal Spending down under Obama

Google that.

There is plenty of material out there for those who wish to educate themselves with facts.

And not just parrot Fox News and Rush.

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And don’t forget getalife, he needs one too.

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If Bush had slapped obozo’s face for all those filthy lies in 2008, he’d be on Rushmore by now.

LOL.

Post of the day.

Only time Bush will be on Mt Rushmore is if he buys a ticket.

And why am I arguing with the bible thumping moron.

Move along sir.

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This is like a Richard Pryor show with all these libs, you bust a gut.

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From 2000 to 2008, under President Bush, Federal spending rose by $1.3 trillion, from $1.9 trillion a year to $3.2 trillion a year.

From 2009 to 2011, meanwhile, under President Obama, federal spending has risen by $600 billion, from $3.2 trillion a year to $3.8 trillion a year. It has also now begun to decline.

In other words, federal government spending under President Bush increased 2X as much as it has under President Obama.

So, who’s responsible for the explosion in federal spending?

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See ya guys.

I have a job and things to do

You should try it sometime. It makes you feel good about yourself.

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See ya guys.

You should try it sometime. It makes you feel good about yourself

I ask, is this something an adult would say?

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Spot on Kyle!

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Any idiot, well, most idiots would ask themselves why does the US House Representatives have any say in what obozo wants to spend? How were they able to wring him out and fully expose his mendacity over the suckwester? And then the half wit could ask himself, gee, who was in charge of the US House of Representatives during the last years of the Bush Presidency when spending rose so dramatically? And what were all those Bush spending vetoes about?

I guess you have to have intelligence that rises to the level of a half wit before such things dawn on you.

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“Can’t run a confidence game without a mark.”

Oh, so true, @@.

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“Politicians and bureaucrats tell business what to do, and business gets to make a profit doing it.”
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That’s one definition of fascism, and a favorite pastime of Democrats.

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Better news on unemployment today, if you are white, everybody else not so much. Some of you amateur sociologists will have to explain that stat.

Among the major worker groups, the unemployment rate for whites (6.8 percent)
declined in February while the rates for adult men (7.1 percent), adult women
(7.0 percent), teenagers (25.1 percent), blacks (13.8 percent), and Hispanics
(9.6 percent) showed little or no change. The jobless rate for Asians was 6.1
percent (not seasonally adjusted), little changed from a year earlier. (See
tables A-1, A-2, and A-3.)

In February, the number of long-term unemployed (those jobless for 27 weeks
or more) was about unchanged at 4.8 million. These individuals accounted for
40.2 percent of the unemployed. (See table A-12.)

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/77-percent_706624.html

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promoting the general welfare of its people.”

PROVIDING welfare, not promoting it.

Yep, giving them fish sticks, we are good at that. Teaching them to fish, abysmal.

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If you think a $85 billion cut in federal spending will tank the economy, wait until the Fed stops pumping-and-dumping dollars. That will be the equivalent of another $85 billion sequester every month.

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Rafe

Nice commentary, but do you always point out those disparities or just when it suits you to do so politically?

I’m not arguing the disparities because they do exist, however I am asking if it is an issue of convenience for you to point out or one you have had concern for regardless of the unemployment rate and individual in office?

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Rafe

I do applaud you if it is a valid concern of yours that you have been following for years and it wasn’t just a post for political convenience and talking points.

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My point. Negative attitudes aren’t helping the Country. Four years of misery is all you have to look forward to.

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I will stand with our President to try to level the playing field for the next generation to fix our fixed system and elect reps with that agenda.

You are failing your children for not standing up against corporate greed and you know it.

You stayed bowed down like slaves.

Freedom.

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Finn was flipping out with his “thank you President Obama” one man ovation.

Another day, another day when Rafe can’t tell one poster from another even though we have our monikers right there beside our postings.

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“I’m not into bailing out either/or.”

They think they are entitled to this socialism.

No more bailouts.

Period.

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corporate bailouts are not much different from stimulus.
wouldn’t want the coast guard to let a yacht founder.

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The Dow Jones Industrial average, adjusted for inflation, is still nowhere near as high as President Bush had it. But if it makes you feel better to lie to yourself amidst all the carnage, just remember, you are sneering at the downtrodden.

It’s all really so sick.

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Aesop

Where was the Dow when Bush left? You can adjust it for inflation if you like

bwhahahahahahahahaa

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Finn sorry for confusing your and Cheesy, I’m just so sorry, you guys are so similar, you could be the same person.

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Jefferson

March 8th, 2013
2:13 pm
When the names fly at the president, you have a crying baby on your hands.
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ANY president?

Or just THIS one?

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From the Washington Examiner, September 2012.

“where do these “free cell phones” come from?

The program is called Lifeline, established in 1984, originally created to subsidize landline phone service for low income Americans, funded by government-collected telecommunication fees, paid by consumers.

In 2008, the program was expanded to support cell phones which quickly escalated the cost of the program. In 2008 the program cost $772 million, but by 2011 it cost $1.6 billion.”

Obama didn’t take office until 2009, so he doesn’t deserve all the blame.

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p-lo – Why would I do that? The threat of obozo the belligerent is what collapsed the market. Why do you blame this on Bush?

And only the corporate welfare that Kyle writes of, the fatal devaluing of our currency and corruption brought it back to where Bush had it.

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Don’t Rely on a Quack Doctor
By Robert Higgs | Monday March 4, 2013 at 8:36 PM PST

A man goes to his doctor for a routine checkup. The doctor performs a perfunctory examination and informs him that unless he receives an experimental treatment the doctor has devised, he will soon become disabled. “What’s it cost, Doc?” the man asks. “Well, unfortunately it’s not cheap, Mr. Smith, and I can’t tell you exactly how much the total cost will be until the entire treatment has been completed, but unless you get this treatment, you will soon be in big trouble.”

The man agrees to undergo the treatment. He has to sell some of his possessions and go deeply into debt to pay for it, but, relying on the doctor’s advice, he believes that the alternative to getting the treatment would be catastrophic.

After the treatment, however, the man actually feels worse than before. So he visits his doctor and is startled when the doctor reports that he has relapsed and must undergo the same treatment again or he will probably die. As before, the doctor cannot say in advance how much the treatment will cost.

So, the man sells more of his possessions and goes even further into debt to finance the treatment. To his surprise, shortly after its completion, he feels even worse, and the doctor informs him that he has relapsed again and will have to undergo the treatment again lest he die shortly.

The man sells his remaining possessions, exhausts his capacity to borrow, begs money from his relatives, and has the treatment a third time. After its completion, he feels horrible. Once more, the doctor reports that his condition has not been improved and therefore he will have to undergo a fourth round of treatment.

This time, however, the man is completely broke, so he resigns himself to his imminent demise, puts his personal affairs in order, spends as much time as possible with close friends and family members, and waits to die.

But he doesn’t. Indeed, after a year, he is still alive and feels much better than he did immediately after his treatments. To everyone’s astonishment, he returns to work, feels fine, and considers himself lucky to have had a spontaneous recovery from a disease that threatened to take his life.

Having repaired his financial condition after ten years of normal, happy, healthy working life, the man’s curiosity gets the best of him and he visits a different doctor, an old Austrian, who examines him thoroughly and reports: “There is absolutely nothing wrong with you; nor do I see any indication that anything was seriously wrong with you before you began the treatments. You appear to have been misdiagnosed and treated for no good reason, and the treatments made you sick. When the treatments stopped, you returned to your previous, normal, healthy condition.”

(The foregoing is a parable about government intervention in the economy.)

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LBB is right. It’s not so much that he believes Obama gave away free phones, it’s that the woman in the video believed he gave her a phone.

She voted for a phone?

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“The threat of obozo the belligerent is what collapsed the market. Why do you blame this on Bush? ”

If you and your rw websites say so

bwhahahahahahaha

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“Politico, that line may come back to haunt you on Jan 20, 2017.”

may or may not, but how stupid is it to tout the high of the Dow under Bush when everyone knows that it was much less than that when he left?

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“The threat of obozo the belligerent is what collapsed the market. Why do you blame this on Bush? ”

That is just plain ignorant.

“This sucker could go down” w.

It collapsed on his watch and he had no clue about the global economy.

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Rafe

For the record, I’m just countering Aesop’s point about the Dow and his cherry picking of data. I don’t give any President as much credit or blame for the Dow as many like to do.

But it is funny to see him tout the high but make excuse after excuse (his usual m.o) for why it went down

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See what I mean about debating with liars?

I yield the floor.

Proceed cons.

Stay the course.

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Rafe

Thanks for the clarification. Did that article you posted mention that these disparities exists regardless of who is in office and no matter what the unemployment rate is? If not, why do you think they didn’t do that?

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Dems so excited

hyperbole much?

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Finn, alternet written by left wing unicorns. BTW I’m working hard to make sure I respond to you when you post and to Cheesy when you post.

I tried to create a helper, to answer Cheesy’s posts, so I could concentrate on your posts, but they now have all comments from new names going to moderation, so that didn’t work out so well.

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I can only assume it is the same reason you don’t call out Aesop and Barry for touting the market under Bush.

LBB/Aesop guys please quit boasting about the Dow under Bush, because it went up and down back then. Even though the Dems think Barry is special, it will still go up and down.

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If not, why do you think they didn’t do that?

Because the article was not about unemployment disparities, it was about the improvement of the economy in Feb, it improved in some areas, not in others. Pretty simple, maybe you should read it!

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improvement of the economy

should be improvement in unemployment.

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Dusty: “We have a 16 trillion dollar debt because President Obama has increased it greatly. Bush didn’t do it. Reagan didn’t do it. OBAMA DID IT.”

Percent change in national debt:

Regan 188.6%
Bush 89.0%
Obama 53.6%

http://www.skymachines.com/US-National-Debt-Per-Capita-Percent-of-GDP-and-by-Presidental-Term.htm

Anybody who would want to start arguing with me about better measures of the national debt changes, do not bother; I am well aware that this is not one, I am simply responding to the claim as written.

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But I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW, how many illegal immigrants were released from prison into Georgia’s population?

I’m more worried about the white male conservative militia whack jobs running about freely.

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(Needless to say, if President Bush made as extensive use of drones as Obama is doing, the Left would be rending every garment and staging hunger strikes.)

Even your own people laugh at you now, liberals.

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By the time Obozo leaves office, he will have racked up as much debt as all of his predecessors combined.

Thanks, Democrats.

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We don’t pay interest on the percent change in national debt. We pay interest on the dollar amount.

ie, I haven’t a clue on how to read ‘percent change”

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i.e., who cares

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Interest expense, % GDP:

Reagan, 12/31 1988: 4.2%

Bush, 12/31/2008: 3.1% (range 2.7 – 3.5%)

Obama, 12/31/2009: 2.7%
12/31/2010: 2.8%
12/31/2012: 3.0%:

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Our President Reagan added $1.9 trillion to the debt in eight years.

Obozo added $6 trillion in four years.

It costs Americans three times as much to pay interest on Obozo’s debt as it does to pay Our President Reagan’s. And it will be much, much worse after Obozo finishes screwing things up for four more years.

Obozo: Inferior to Reagan.

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While I think it is stupid for those guys to hang with dictators, the US government (regardless of who is POTUS) loves them as well. Just as long as they are on the payroll.

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I guess since the only tax cuts that remain are the middle class kind, Pelosi is finally admitting that a government of the size she dreams of will need to raise taxes on them as well.

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There exists no shame, whatsoever, among lib ilks.

let’s see, Chavez moved his country out from under the thumb of another country (us). I would call that a damn hero to his people.

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F. Sinkwich @6:16 pm

“House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D.-Calif.) said today that the government must cut spending, and then explained that: “Tax cuts are spending.””

“Can one of you lib ilks please explain what this ditz, your leader and brain trust, means by by this idiotic statement? You can’t?”

5:00 am March 7, 2013, Kyle Wingfield, quotingMacGuineas, head of the bipartisan Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget: “She also points to the $1 trillion in annual “tax expenditures,” subsidies hidden in the tax code rather than appropriations bills.“ Nobody looks at them,” she said. “These spending programs, dressed up as tax cuts…”

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Hey Mark, WTF was that? Some sort of quote thingy?

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The wealthy are getting a good return on investments with unlimited donations.

1 trillion in corporate welfare..

Heck of a job cons.

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Can one of you lib ilks please explain what this ditz, your leader and brain trust, means by by this idiotic statement?

evidently it is way over sandwich’s head. way, way over.

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How many synagogues are in Saudi Arabia? How many US business men are coddling that repressive regime for contracts at this very moment?

Call them all out or be the hypocrite you know yourself to be

With all the talk about Venezuela the US was still there top purchaser of oil? And oh my god, that was true under Bush as well……… heavens NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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“Personally, I think if they really wanted to make golf challenging, they’d play with a green ball.”

I can’t find the white ball in the woods.

I golf like Phelps.

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For the record, Chavez was not good, but I call them all out.

A dictator in how they mistreat the population isn’t any better because they are paid off by Uncle Sugar.

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Ethanol = Solyndra

So O’bozo don’t care…

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If any of you Libs really think universal health care is some kind of panacea, check out what’s happening in Japan:

http://www.examiner.com/article/25-hospitals-turn-man-down-36-times-japan-before-he-dies-at-26th-hospital

From the article:

“On Tuesday, Japanese officials disclosed that in January, a 75-year-old man died after he was turned away from 25 different hospitals, 36 times over a two hour period “Japan Daily Press” reported on March 6. The ambulance that was transporting him was turned away because the emergency rooms declared that there were no beds or doctors available, and they were not able to provide treatment to the man.”

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The liberals will see the 75 and over age group as a cost cutting opportunity. obozo said he was gonna cut costs, remember?

Well, at least until they turn 75, anyway.

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Watch the closeups of Jimi’s hands working his guitar. The agility of his fingers is surreal.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Doi07ewYDhc

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I’m stuck in traffic as a passenger. Makes me think of Jimis crosstown traffic tune.

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Bruno he was probably old and needed to die, like that 87 year old in CA that died because no one wanted to risk their job to save her life.

Chavez was so good to all those poor folk, according to the Lib intelligencia and Jesse Jackson, SR. He only stole 2 B and hid it in offshore accounts. If he was mean to the poor he would have stolen 3 Billion. Socialist seem to expect that however, seems there is always a ruling elite with special privileges, like being able to order assignations, enrich their friends, and skim money off the top, and then there are the cheering masses, who revel in their equality of squalor.

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“the emergency rooms declared that there were no beds or doctors available”
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Go ahead and don’t believe the law of supply and demand. Supply and demand don’t give a crap.

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I’m stuck in traffic as a passenger. Makes me think of Jimis crosstown traffic tune.

This is a great traffic song also:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFi94V3jIUg

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Socialist seem to expect that however, seems there is always a ruling elite with special privileges

Has anyone added up how much Obama has blown on trips and golf outings since he’s been President?? He’s gotta be setting some kind of record.

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The Libs like to trump up the fact that Bush spent a lot of time at his ranch while President, but I have to believe that he was probably working a full schedule most of the time. The Obamas do love their trips to Hawaii though:

http://www.whitehousedossier.com/2013/01/04/taxpayer-bill-obamas-hawaii-vacations-20-million/

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IriEq4H1XSU

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Whose wealth did I envy, saywhat?

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100 mill.soldiers including the clay…totally ignored……

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Jamming number from Al Dimeola:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxwrBDhRlhU

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Moving on to some Genesis

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUEAx1ngnf0

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You climb upon a burning rope….

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdGhDIueA94

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Some old Genesis:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fllf-WMB0hY

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It’s written in the book……

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwk0×6U_0fU

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If you want to talk about corporate welfare, imagine the billions of dollars we could save by ending loop-holes that let major corporations like GE and Exxon pay little or no tax on profits, while at the same time collecting tax rebates?
We could also eliminate the sweetheart tax-rate that George Bush gave to Hedge Fund managers, just because they’re such swell guys.
What subsidies do go to green energy are miniscule compared to the incentives and breaks given to the petroleum companies, who are having their best years ever…while wages and hiring remain flat, benefits dwindle, and CEO salaries go nowhere but up.
Also remember that Obama offered to generate more revenue by closing those very loop-holes, and avoiding this Sequester b.s.; every single Republican voted to KEEP those loop-holes in place while literally taking food from the mouths of hungry elderly people instead.
Those loop-holes have nothing to do with “job creation” either.

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There’s a cool video biography about the Eagles out on Showtime:

My all-time favorite Glenn Frey quote is “Nobody can suck the life out of a room like Don Henley”.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45ZdlFKYd84

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Bruno

Henley has always struck me as a decent drummer, decent singer, great writer, and somebody I’d never want to be in the same room with.

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I’d go “decent singer” at best for Henley. I much prefer Glenn Frey’s vocals.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWtSuz-7sq4

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Bruno @ 9:09

I’d say the Nats are the division favorites, the Braves and Phillies battling it out for 2nd, with age being the big question mark for the Phils. Long season and a lot can happen, though. You can’t get hot for 162 games; eventually the best team will emerge. I think the Braves will miss Prado more than they realize. A couple years ago, Tim Hudson was quoted as saying he was the “heart and soul of the team”. I also wonder about Justin Upton. The guy has a world of talent and given that and his young age, you have to suspect there’s a reason the D-Backs spent better than a year trying to move him.

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Canada has cut spending and is doing fine.

Canada also came through the Great Meltdown in pretty good shape because they had sensible banking regulations. They never jumped into casino mode like the U.S. did.

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One cool thing about the Eagles is that they all are good musicians, so they sound good live. In part of the documentary, it was claimed that Randy Meisner was unhappy with the amount of lead vocals he was getting. Henley was critical of him, though he sounds good here back in 1976:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOKExv6_h5s

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The Dem plan for the deficit:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaGUr6wzyT8

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I am bluecoat.

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Thulsa Doom @9:19 pm

Neither Rafe nor you have exposed anything, except your total lack of comprehension of written word, which apparently you have not been capable of improve in spite of the hints.

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“Neither Rafe nor you have exposed anything, except your total lack of comprehension of written word, which apparently you have not been capable of improve in spite of the hints.”

MarkV,

What can I say? You got me there pardner. I do not understand and cannot interpret liberal gobbledeegook. Its a dialect of incoherent rambling that is like German or Russian. I know it when I see it. Doesn’t mean I understand it though.

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indigo

March 8th, 2013
4:20 pm

Okay stupid this one is for you and your idiotic bewilderment. Do tell all of us who you named just what you and your dear Marxist leader obumer plan to do to stop your so-called man caused global warming? How will you reverse this trend immediately and restore global climate stability?

Go for dumbmass!

Oh wait, silly me, TAX, TAX, TAX and TAX IT SOME MORE!

Yeah, that’ll stop it.

indgo, if you happen to stumble across something resembling a functional brain please do not disturb it, you’ll not understand how to use it.

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Finn and Cheesy are definitely different personalities. The only thing they have in common is that they don’t make sense. Cept maybe when I’m incoherent from heavy drinking.

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“School policies baring discrimination against LGBT students could result in teenage boys invading girls’ locker rooms.” Tony Perkins, Family Research Council, 3-4-2013.

Oh to be young again.

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Bruno wish I had your education(one equal to)now as I think I have said before one of the best dogs I owned was named Bruno.( I mean no disrespect)So when I see your name I think BOW/WOW.Not Trickle Down////

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300 B dollar debt vice deficit.

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Big Government/Big Business relationship.

Strange how so many objective conservatives on this blog understand that key point you made Kyle. These idiots on the left that Comrade Lenin would never have called “USEFUL”, remained totally duped into believing that their fascist socialist democrats are so anti-big business to their Marxist’s souls that they would never dare be caught in bed with those Big Evil Rich Corporations: Yeah, right!

The GOP would do well to spend that time changing its own M.O.

I reiterate: Spot on Kyle!

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But this is why she should’ve picked another song. When the King (especially in his inspired period) has done it……….it’s been done.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUXsWeVYtD0

The man didn’t do it with smoke and mirrors; he was the real deal.

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Some nice Jesse Colin Young:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKHr_MPgZZs

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“(CNSNews.com) – According to the most recent official estimate by the federal Bureau of Economic Analysis, the Gross Domestic Product for 2012 will be $15.6061 trillion–or about $440.5 billion less than the $16.0466 in debt that the federal government had accumulated as of the close of business on Monday.

In other words, the debt is now approximately 103 percent of GDP.”

Sadly it looks like we’re there already. I think this is also the first time in our nation’s history where our debt exceeded our GDP.

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300 billion debt vice deficit.whew must of been lots of vice going on.Where was the vice squad.Sure this did not occur under Clinton?

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This Doobies number has a haunting quality about it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJ-5DQ0MmKI

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Thulsa

That makes two of us.

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Hillbilly D.,

Sock puppet I guess if he’s mimicking me now and was mimicking Bruno. Bizarre.

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“Where’s this secret Marxist President out to destroy the American free enterprise system we read about so much from the OC Posters here?”

I dunno. I don’t see a secret Marxist president anywhere in sight. But I do see a grossly incompetent president who has a not so secret disdain and contempt for the American free enterprise system.

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Rafe @ 10:03 pm
“I comprehend that you think rate of growth of the debt is somehow the be all/end all of a discussion regarding who is responsible for the nations debt. ….”

Rafe,

We can stop right here. You comprehend nothing. You have absolutely no idea what I “think,” because I have not addressed anything you write about in the above quote and afterwards.

As a matter of fact, I don’t give a fig about all those discussion of who is responsible for what and what this and that statistic shows, whether it is coming from the left or right and which people from both side like to bicker about. Any of those numbers is a result of complex circumstances, and any such discussion here is, in my view, a stupid waste of time.

What I argue is the validity of claims made here. If you paid any attention, you would have seen that that was all I did today. I even pointed it out very clearly in my first post on the subject. I showed that both the claims I responded to were factually incorrect. If you believe I was wrong, show me the error of facts, but I have very little interest in debating anything beyond that.

As another matter of fact, what I hinted on in my first response to Dusty’s post was that she was simply using wrong measures if she so much wanted to talk about the national debt. I had tried in the past to tell her that her arguments would be much better if she learned a little more and started her complaints with the debt/GDP ratio, the size of it at present I myself had called disturbingly high. In such a discussion I was prepared so to make other arguments, but so far I have not been able to persuade Dusty to go there.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkUDgSAs_ks

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Lay in there MarkV,don’t give up.You see what they are doing to me.

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GOP loves it when THEIR guy is in the pocket of big business. GOP loves it when THEIR guy lowers the unemployment rate. GOP loves it when THEIR guy kills terrorists. EFF the GOP.

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REP. NASTY PELOSI: This president has been so respectful, given so much time to the Republicans, to the point that one time in one of our meetings, I said to the president: ‘Mr. President, I’m busy, and I don’t have any more time for this. You have to be the busiest person in the world. If and when they come up with a new idea, why don’t we just call you back into the room.’

Where’s the laugh track button at Kyle?

We need it.

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“It’s always the wacko birds on right and left that get the media megaphone,” McCain told Huffington Post’s Jon Ward in a story titled “John McCain: Getting Back To Maverick, With An Eye On Retirement.”

Where would one begin tearing this statement apart? How many ripe obominations are littered throughout it?

I do love the words “retirement” however.

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FO

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Barry – 7:25

That charge is nothing more than a stereotype.

Because Splavistic seems to be a liberal, you just assume he would “hate” the GOP for doing something he approves of.

Typical faulty thinking from you.

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indigo: Because Splavistic seems to be a liberal, you just assume he would “hate” the GOP for doing something he approves of.
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Wrong. I assume he would do that because after describing what the GOP might do, he “EFFED” them.

Typical lack of reading comprehension from you, yet another in a long line of victims of public schooling.

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Benny Hinn, Obozo, and their respective followers seem to have a lot in common.

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“Stumbling blocks”. The Constitution, for one. Math, for another. And finally, reality.

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You have absolutely no idea what I “think,” because I have not addressed anything you write about in the above quote and afterwards.

MarkV you have got me there! I surely have no idea what you think as it is hard to make sense of much of anything you write, but when you post something inane, that tells the part of the story that supports Obama, I seem unable to stop myself from providing the rest of the story that you chose to leave out. So, go on with your efforts to patch over Obama’s faults and cracks and I will try to ignore your efforts.

A good spackle guy is hard to find, so I’m sure Barry appreciates your efforts.

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Barry if you are looking for a spackle guy I have no recommendations.But if you can find some eary 70’s spackle it is much better than this goo made today..

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bluecoat ,

“Obama President of USA.Trying to right the ship.Hard to do with all the stumbling blocks put in his path” !
you mean like asking why eavesdropping on terrorist cell phone calls is bad but shooting Americans on American soil is okay ? I can see why he stumbles on that. Or asking Obama how he can go to bed while his “friend” Chris Stevens and the embassy come under attack and finally checking back on the condition of his “friend” 8 hours later ?

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Rafe Hollister @ 9:25 am

”MarkV you have got me there! I surely have no idea what you think …”

But that has not prevented you from telling me what I think.

“but when you post something inane …”

Except, you cannot point out what that is.

“So, go on with your efforts to patch over Obama’s faults and cracks …”

Ditto.

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“Being on medicaid does not make one an idiot.”

No, it does not. What it means is one does not have enough money to purchase healthcare. But Medicaid, like all social programs, should be a short term solution and not a lifestyle. And once people get comfortable with any lifestyle they’ll want to continue it. So they will vote for a candidate that is most likely to not disrupt that lifestyle.

What do you suppose is the correlation between dropping out of high school and being on Medicaid? I don’t know but I have to believe it is quite high. Are high school dropouts idiots? Not necessarily but they’re uneducated and have very limited earning potential. Should they be having kids? I would say “no” 100% of the time.

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Well, good morning. The sun is shining.

I got up early so I could count the national debt again. I did not miss a single quarter or nickle and it all added up to the same thing. AGAIN! Yep! Sixteen trillion !!

Obama is busy at work saving money though. Yes sir. He shut down the visitors at the White House. I mean he may even cancel the annual Easter Egg Hunt. Malia is protesting at this moment. But saving all those eggs may really help. Wasn’t it Nancy Pelosi who said, “When the taxes come home to roost, we’ve got to have eggs in the basket”? Or something like that

Anyway, that’s my real financial report for the day. Kyle may give you statistics and MarkV will give you percentages but I give you the REAL thing. JDW will thank me too ’cause he knows I’ve lived overseas just like he & Kyle have done. One whole weekend in London for me. I learned a lot. Like…it’s still SIXTEEN TRILLION

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Don’t pay any attention to MarkV and his pretty graphs. There’s a lot more Just go to Google and call up pretty graphs and there they are. MarkV just loves ‘em. I bet he will decorate Easter eggs with graphs.

Well, somebody’s got to do it. but I think Kyle might object. He likes pretty graphs too and this is his territory. Now, that’s just a helpful hint. Graph on at your own risk!

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Dusty,

I like pretty flowers and pretty birds more than pretty graphs!

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What? You haven’t heard, MarkV? While in London I bought the Eiffel Tower. Had a little trouble getting my bags checked on leaving London and the French were a bit fussy about the whole thing!

But it was worth it. I have the best windmill in Atlanta and pooh on solar savings. It’s the wind, babee!. I can leave my Christmas lights on all year!

Must run. Now don’t forget…SIXTEEN TRILLION!!

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Thank you, Lil Barry.

It is SIXTEEN point seven TRILLION $$$$ NATION AL USA DEBT. oooWEEE!

Bye now.

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“Not going to happen. Even if the residents of this country vote for one even more liberally fascist than Obozo and 94% tax rates were enacted, neither I nor most anyone else would earn an income. Why bother, when it’s just going to be confiscated? Your contention makes no sense whatsoever.”

Either you missed my point entirely or chose to ignore it.

Americans can be broken down into two classes – assets and liabilities. Assets they pay more in taxes than they receive in government benefits, and I’m excluding retirees from this analysis. Liabilities receive more taxpayer assistance than they contribute.

As fiscal conservatives we need to do everything possible to promote the reproduction of assets and curb the liability class. A very good starting point would be passage of the Freedom Of Choice Act. Beyond that it would befit us to insist our government spend dollars on a campaign discouraging poor the indigent from having kids.

Look there is no mystery here……..the state of Mississippi has the highest percentage of high school dropouts in the nation. They also have the highest percentage of teen births. And yes, they have the highest percentage of the population that are evangelical Christians. Education is the answer, not belief some bullcrap Calvinistic voodoo.

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breckenridge is proposing population control?

At what point do you think the government would get involved in who gets to stay and who must go?

It’s a double-edged sword, that one. Just ask Japan and countries in Europe. The cramped living conditions warrant it. The younger minority is left to support the aging majority.

The only people I’ve witnessed who support population control are the left.

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And getalife continues to spew nothing but uninformed nonsense.

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Well, I keep reading every single day to try to be informed.

It is good to stimulate your brain so I recommend that you cons try it too.

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“breckenridge is proposing population control?”

Not what he’s proposing, @@.

He just wants less restrictions on abortions, believing that an easier ability to have one might reduce the number of babies born to people who cannot afford to have one, thereby creating less instances where public assistance is needed.

If I get his drift right . . .

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Well, watching fox, reading drudegey and listening to rush makes you uniformed and clinging to a failed ideology and party.

rw media has zero credibility but that does not stop you from spewing their bs.

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fox is a joke like you con.

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“fox is a joke like you con.”

Types the poster who can never write in complete sentences . . . .

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You believe everything the DNC tells you like a good little myrmidon . . .

. . . and you write like a NYC high school graduate.

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crushed you.

And I am more informed.

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Well written Kyle it’s hard to take in

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“Sure con, now that you know they are losing arguments”

Except I’ve been supporting them since I’ve been able to vote, which was back in 1976 (except of course the latter two, which I was against from the very beginning).

So once again, you post uninformed nonsense, getalife.

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“I stop reading your crap a long time ago”

Which once again proves your ignorance . . . .

Thanks for admitting it finally.

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Yes, that’s correct. I mean come on now, smell the coffee kids, 40% of kids born today are born to parents on Medicaid. That’s not sustainable.

The long term answer, of course, is to dissuade taxpayer aid recipients to not get pregnant in the first place. But I have no idea how to accomplish that.

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Where the heck are my posts going?

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Dammit! Everytime I try to respond to Tiberius regarding breckenridge, my post evaporates.

I give up.

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Thought I’d stop by and say hello, but most of the folks on here right now seem to be the ones from Big Daddy’s verandah.

IF you check in Dusty, I STILL want to know what that read was you thought of me and my opinion, you know how much I like to give that, and when asked? That’s a rare happening… -)

HILLBILLY

Don’t know if you’ve seen this or not, but I was impressed. Lots of citations from the footnotes of MAJOR historians… found it while digging around on John Randolph…

http://www.slavenorth.com/index.html

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TIBERIUS

But, of course…especially when they support your own textbook-approved version. They’re off on the theological dogmatic cherry picking over at Big Daddy’s right now, different dance, same tune.

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TIBERIUS

It may be home, and home may be where the heart is, but I must say of my own (and their opponents), there’s plenyt of Cherries Jubliee served on that dinner table…

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Here is a true American hero in today’s Washington Post op ed. Best candidate we got for 2016:
“”"”"”"”"”"The Senate has the power to restrain the executive branch — and my filibuster was the beginning of the fight to restore a healthy balance of powers. The president still needs to definitively say that the United States will not kill American noncombatants. The Constitution’s Fifth Amendment applies to all Americans; there are no exceptions.

The outpouring of support for my filibuster has been overwhelming and heartening. My office has fielded thousands of calls. Millions have followed this debate on TV, Twitter and Facebook. On Thursday, the White House produced another letter explaining its position on drone strikes. But the administration took too long, and parsed too many words and phrases, to instill confidence in its willingness or ability to protect our liberty.”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"

Rand Paul shows how things should get done in the Senate as long as the liberals are in control. We all know that Black communist and his buddy Holder are up to no good and can’t be trusted with Nukes.Look at what that Reno gal did to David Koresh,

We need more patriots ready to rise up to federal tyranny like Paul!

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And Karl Rove.

Really? Hyperbole much?

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josef @ 3:43

I have seen that sight before but you know mus’nt mention such as that in polite society. You’ll have the high and mighty genuflecting and they’re liable to hurt something.

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Looked at another way, just 58.6% of Americans work today, down from 60.6% when Obama took office. The average over the previous two decades was 63%.

There’s also the fact that 3.7 million workers have gone on the Social Security disability program since mid-June 2009, the fastest enrollment pace ever.

And the libs pat themselves on the back.

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HILLBILLY

Much the same here. I know I fall short. What bothers me, though, is how easily and with what aplomb so many practice that double standard. And, when it’s pointed out, respond automatically with either “you do it, too” or “s/he started it.”

The other night over at Big Daddy’s we got off on the Late Misunderstanding. Two posters, one of whom I hold in pretty high regard, the other whom I like, but don’t necessarily hold in the greatest esteem, went to claiming that G-d was on the side of the North and that’s why they won. They presented that in such a fashion as to make me think they actually believed that. One is known for his trouble-making and nasty tempered attacks on the people of faith and religion in general, and the other for his open-minded and tolerant approach. Both, though, presented that point as an unshakable fiat.

I had to back off before I said some things I might regret later. The same with the Hagel nomination. With no feeling of contradiction whatsoever, the liberal element came in singing his praises as if he walked on water, ignoring completely his record of being outspokenly for just about everything they claimed to be against. It wasn’t that they did it so much as it was the, again that word, aplomb. The very ones cursing Cheney and his early on and unpopular stance on gay marriage, questioning his sincerity, were perfectly willing to “believe” Hagel’s “hot seat” and lukewarm (how’s THAT for a mixed metaphor!) “apology.”

That’s why I’ve now given the AJC the name The Hubbard Daily News/we cut our conscience to fit the fashion of the day

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josef @ 5:13

Wasn’t there but I just about guaran-damn-tee you I know who one of them was.

My own thinking is that God probably finds politics disgusting, same as a lot of other things we humans do. Probably a good thing I’m not in His shoes. I’d probably have rained down the fire along time ago.

Occasionally there are some good discussions on these blogs but most days it’s just a way to waste time and avoid doing anything productive. Like I’ve said before, if you change Obama/Bush or Dem/Repub to Georgia/Georgia Tech, you couldn’t tell this place from the sports blogs. It’s all about backing “one’s team” for most folks.

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Gotta run…y’all take care…

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The cuts just started so be happy.

You finally get your cuts.

Deficit reduction is a campaign promise.

Done.

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This one’s a gut buster -

Apparently, the president and his team had a choice: cancel the tours or start Secret Service furloughs. – pmsnbc

What a great comedy these libs are.

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Our President Bush’s HIGHEST unemployment rate: 7.3%

Obozo’s LOWEST unemployment rate: 7.7%

Heckuva job, Obozo!

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Right Barry.
IF the Bush Depression ended Jan 20.
Just like the two wars he put on our credit cards…

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Is that the same credit card Obozo put his failed stimulus. Yup.

Don’t fear facts.

Obozo’s had four years to fix anything, and has failed.

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Aesop – 7:48

It’s still unclear it she made anti-American comments or if her account was hacked.

I don’t see anything in this story about “America burning”.

You just swallow, hook line and sinker, whatever any conservative blog posts, don’t you tool.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/08/samira-ibrahim-anti-semitic-tweets_n_2837303.html

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And indigo gets faced again.

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Last refuge of a scoundrel: “My account was hacked”

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Next up for Ibrahim, a date with chuck hagel!

Cue the laugh track, Kyle.

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“And it occurred because Dodd and Frank made it possible for millions of Democrats to get mortgages they couldn’t afford.”

What on earth are you talking about Barry Phone? Perhaps you’re referring to the Cranston-Gonzalez Affordable Housing Act of 1990?

SEC-103 — PURPOSES OF THE CRANSTON-GONZALEZ NATIONAL AFFORDABLE HOUSING ACT.
1) to help families not owning a home to save for a down payment for
the purchase of a home;

(2) to retain wherever feasible as housing affordable to low-income
families those dwelling units produced for such purpose with Federal
assistance;

Oh look it mentions down payment. Wow how old fashioned is that. What a silly concept, certainly not applicable in the new economy. Because then we couldn’t have a bubble, and without a bubble there couldn’t be a burst and people simply walking away from their mortgages.

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My no. one 1 priority Cigaretts
two 2 tanning lotion
three 3 wiping tears

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OK, so who among us should inform bluecoat that only he understands his comments?

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Perhaps it’s a case of free association.

At any rate you know what Benjamin Franklin said……well I don’t remember exactly what he said, but the gist of it was when 51% of the people figure out they can get free stuff from the government then the experiment in democracy is over.

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Here’s the exact Ben Franklin quote:

“When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.”

He also said:

“There is no kind of dishonesty into which otherwise good people more easily and more frequently fall than that of defrauding the government.”

But he did not say “it is what it is” because he was not a freakin’ moron.

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Nice, very nice. My priorities:

1. Burning the hair off Barbie dolls with my Bic lighter.
2. Attacking tomatoes with an ice pick.
3. Closing my eyes and throwing a bunch of paint on a piece of cardboard and then calling it a great work of abstract art.

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Now we have two lunatic liberals onboard.

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“dems ? Do U have any thoughts on Obama’s transition from a progressive academic humanist 2 a regressive corporate warlord”
John Cusack

Looks like a little buyers remorse is setting in. lol

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“Psychotherapy”

About time you went.

What did they prescribe for your ODS?

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Aesop’s: Psychotherapy, the unsung cure for liberalism.
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A remedial math class too.

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Eager to employ California’s overtaxed refugees, an alarming number of large company relocations have been announced in the last few months. The list includes: Campbell’s Soup, Chevron, Comcast, eBay, LegalZoom, PayPal, Yelp and Maxwell Technologies. These corporate moves to states with more favorable business climates are resulting in the loss of thousands of jobs and employment opportunities. The economic blow to California surely will have a detrimental impact on local communities and the taxpayers who stay behind for years to come.

Awesome. Let the basket case blue states full of whackjobs whither on the vine.

Good riddance.

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Our President Bush changed Daylight Savings Time, starting it earlier and ending it later in the year, as an energy savings measure. Naturally, the whack jobs who should have supported it for that reason criticized Him roundly for it. Just another illustration of the so-called “environmentalists” real interests–politics.

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Barry

There’s no real evidence that Daylight Savings Time does anything to save energy.

Your President Bush changed it so he could proudly tell Americans he and the Republicans were actually doing something about America’s energy problem when, in fact they were doing nothing.

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indigo: Aesop said she “loved to see America burning”.
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She did. What’s your point?

We know what Moochelle Obozo’s point was–she wanted to give the anti-American jew-hater a big award, until she got caught.

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It wasn’t until World War I that daylight savings were realized on a grand scale. Germany was the first state to adopt the time changes, to reduce artificial lighting and thereby save coal for the war effort.

It figures.

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indigo’s link says Bush’s change saves Americans energy.

Oopsies!

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