How the present fiscal ‘crisis’ rolls right into the next one

It would be nice if we had a Real President.

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Ah, Kyle, we will suffer death by a thousand cuts while paying the highest taxes ever. If that doesn’t get us, then we will die from suffociation by the huge debt upon us.

There is no “road less taken”. All roads lead to nowhere as far as moving forward.

We have here liberal leadership at its finest. Miasma! They cannot do any better!

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In 1965 the top tax rate on 200,000 dollars was 70 percent

We did not have a debt issue

Somehow the Union survived.

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Poor Cheesy! Still doddering over Reagan and Bush. I guess he doesn’t even want to think about Obama.

Neither do the rest of us. It is too depressing.

Notice he doesn’t deny any of the facts.

Conservative outrage tends to be very selective.

And therefore meaningless.

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The tax increase was mostly an expiration of the temporary SS rollback. The 2% temporary cut was going on our national credit card, conservatives should applaud this. But fake conservatives don’t give a damn, hanging blame on “libs” and Obama is priority #1.

The other increases were mostly on incomes of $250,000 and up, those rich folks must be keeping their Gaultian hideout real quiet. They’re still here and working, despite the horrible trauma of a 3.8 percent surtax on investment income.

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Oh man, this is my tax prep weekend. Uuuugh. The 10 rental houses screws my weekend.

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Create a crisis, bloviate, posture; lather, rinse, repeat, ad infinitum. This is all just stupid political games. A pox on all their houses.

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Thank you, Cheesy Grits

I feel so much better. You have announced:: We did not have a debt problem in 1965.

Whoopee!1 Are we supposed to forget the SIXTEEN TRILLION in 2013 under the Obama administration????? (OK, we are going to be out of debt in another 75 years. Such happiness!!)

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I think the larger issue is that we’ve become a nation led by those who prefer using The Pathological Lie to share information. Can’t you just feel how highly they think of us?

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Those tax hikes on the upper income was a compromise to keep all the tax cuts from taking place, which would have been better for the finances of the country. The spending cuts will cause some pain, but thats the results of law.

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Welcome, aquagirl, I see you are really gungho on the figures this morning. You must have won on the kiddie crosswords yesterday. Atta, girl!

Never forget liberal latitudes when figuring taxes. Soak the rich! Semper over the po’ starvin’ chilluns with their obesity problems! Onward and upstream!!

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I thought you sad sacks wanted to cut spending. Hope you don’t have to take in a relative who is a participant.

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Create a crisis, bloviate, posture; lather, rinse, repeat, ad infinitum. This is all just stupid political games. A pox on all their houses.

Never a big fan of “both sides do it” dismissals, but this time it has a great deal of validity.

Coming from the left as I do, I think Obama has bungled the messaging–the problem, IMHO, is not that the GOPers are not doing the right kind of balanced approach to deficit reduction. The problem is that deficit reduction is already happening, it is stupid to try to accelerate it and risk contracting the economy when we are barely below 8% unemployment and people are only beginning to psychologically emerge from their bunkers and try to start new businesses, splurge on (say) a new car or home, etc.

But instead, Obama goes right on saying he essentially agrees with his opposition, we do have a “spending problem,” and then he thinks he’ll be able to work some Clintonian triangulation abra-cadabra and fix it. this ain’t the 90s; that ain’t gonna work.

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Well, you can’t avoid crises if you lead from behind or not lead at all.

Obama is more like a pin ball game, the crises bells ring loudly as he uses the paddles to keep the ball in play, always trying to avoid the ball going over the cliff, as he bangs into more and more crises and our debt score rises.

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In 1965 the top tax rate on 200,000 dollars was 70 percent
We did not have a debt issue
Somehow the Union survived.

In 1912 the top tax rate did not exist as we had no income tax.
We did not have a debt issue
Somehow the Union survived.
We didn’t have a spending problem either, as we didn’t try to have the Fed Gov do everything for everybody.

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if you lead from behind

I’d suggest you look up just where that phrase originated, and then apologize for using it in this context.

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finn- You weren’t proud to be an American before Ronnie came along? And haven’t been proud since?
hmmmm. Sounds like a deeper problem.

Did you think I sounded too much like the First Lady there? I’m unapologetically American.

Reagan: This is going to be tough, but we can do it because we’re American.
obama: Run for your lives, the sky is falling. Those evil Republicans are going to kill you.

Reagan was a great leader, obama can only spell leader correctly if it’s on his teleprompter.

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The tax hikes, which take 2% from every workers paycheck, forces folks to realize just what 2% is. It also makes us wonder why if WE can shoulder that kind of decrease in budget, why can’t the federal government do the same?

And to those government workers about to take a 20% pay cut due to furloughs:
WELCOME TO THE REAL WORLD. I took a 30% pay cut three years ago when I lost my job and got another one. While YOU were insulated from those cuts in the public sector, I nearly lost my house, nearly went bankrupt, and ended with a job making 30% less. You coasted. Now it is your turn to take a 20% pay cut on a public sector salary and benefits (that already exceed my private sector salary by MORE than 20%).

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OH dear,

I think that I shall never see,

So many liberals wantin’ things free.

And..raise those taxes on somebody else,

(While climate makes our icebergs melt).

PLEASE, somebody, help Obama lead

“Cause he needs help, oh yes indeed!

The financial sinkhole is getting bigger

Enlarged by that humongous huge debt trigger.

Maybe somehow Clint could “make my day!”

But I’m leaving this OK Corral and going my way.

Bye now!.

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Somehow the Union survived.

However, over the ensuing ten years 58,000. Americans did not survive and the “Great Society” helped to get us in the financial condition we’re now in.

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We (The USA) has spent around $15 trillion since 1964 on the “Great society/War on poverty” and what do we have to show for it?

We have almost the same % of poor now and we did in 1964.
We are $16 trillion in debt.
We have nearly lost the family unit in the nation.

More great progressive thought.

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Aquagirl again incorrectly posted: “I said most tax increases were on $250,000 and up instead of listing all the increases because I’m not that gung-ho.”

Obviously you only listened to Obama’s $250K mantra for 5 years that started with “Joe the Plumber” loudly complaining. Obama was forced to cave and change it to $450K which made the temporary Bush era tax rates permanent for 99% of taxpayers.

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JF McNamara

March 1st, 2013
11:40 am

@td,

It’s not just the Democrats. It’s the Republicans too. Raising the debt ceiling should not have been an issue

No my friend. When you are borrowing 40 cents of every dollar we spend and stealing from our children and grandchildren their chance of prosperity then the debt ceiling should not be raised one single penny.

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sfd Seems the slogan lead from behind originated in the WH

As Jason Ukman noted in an excellent Checkpoint Washington column in July, a front-page Washington Post article in March written with on-the-record cooperation by the White House had already laid out this theme.

Check out the headline on the article: “On Libya, Obama willing to let allies take the lead.”

The White House began to protest only when the policy was summarized in a bumper-sticker-like phrase that reflected negatively on the president. Sometimes, political spin can catch up with you.

From the Washington Post

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Obviously you only listened to Obama’s $250K mantra for 5 years that started with “Joe the Plumber” loudly complaining.

No, I actually looked at a list of the hikes and took the lowest number (if there is one) where they start. The specific tax hike I cited was a surtax of 3.8 percent on investment income on joint returns with taxable income over $250,000, not the increase from 15% to 20% on dividends and capital gains. I think that’s the one you’re talking about because it starts at $450,000.

The list I used was compiled by Robert Bluey of the Heritage Foundation, who would probably be quite upset if he knew you confused him with Barack Obama.

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“The only crisis is the gop self destructing and Americans do not care about that.”

Good news indeed. Now maybe the President and other political folks can take JF’s advice, shut their mouths for a while and let these “cuts” stay in place.

Finn @10:42
You may want to take some aspirin before you start, to head off the headache that will certainly try to come. My sympathies.

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Did you see Obama and his sock-puppet Carney yesterday back-peddling on all the predictions of doom and gloom yesterday? “OK, so maybe planes won’t exactly fall out of the sky and prison doors automatically spring open…but the sequestratin will be somewhat, unpleasant maybe?”

Too funny.

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Bloomberg: Don’t Panic, USA Has ‘Infinite Amount of Money’…

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“These sequester cuts will, sooner or later, cause many families in America to suffer.

Republican politicians would rather see middle and low class familes suffer than ask their political patrons to pay a little more in taxes.”

No, just you.

We just want to see you suffer and rot in moldering filth. That’s all.

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to just toss out a phrase like that to besmirch fiscal wonkery–well, it seems like the cheapest of shots, at best

One mans cheap shot, is another mans cold hard unvarnished truth!

I will apologize to Barry, when he apologizes to Romney for some of the cheap shots he took at him. Remember when Romney wanted to close loopholes to raise revenue, and how Barry scoffed at what a pitiful attempt at raising revenue that would be. Now who wants to close loopholes?

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The small surtax on just investment unearned income above $250K is a very minor change – especially in comparison to tax rates made permanent for those earning less than $450K of taxable earned income.

The static revenue increase projections are totally bogus since many high income earners can have their compensation packages changed from the higher earned income rate to much lower unearned income rates (including the surtax). Furthermore, dual income families will cut back on higher taxed work for untaxed time off. Taxpayers react to tax changes – those who make revenue projections ignore this to make their projections look higher.

Sequestration is a spending issue, not a tax issue. Except Democrats are (so far) unsuccessfully trying to force added taxes in exchange for less spending cuts.

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“When the Dems want to cut DOD, why don’t we have a pity party for all the jobs that will eliminate? Dems preach cuts to DOD everyday, but the next sentence is GOP wants to kill jobs by cutting.”

Exactly, Rafe! The libs on here whine about the GOP being job killers, then in the next sentence want to cut the military in half.

But they never seem to get around to the “cutting” part, do they?

btw, I’m all in favor of cuts to our military and I have no problem with sequestration, except that it doesn’t go far enough.

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“Did they go up. Or was a always meant to be temporary cut allowed to expire ?”

either way Cheesy, they went up for those of us that work

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“These sequester cuts will, sooner or later, cause many families in America to suffer.

Our rising national debt will, sooner or later, be passed on to future generations, that will suffer immensely, because of their ancestors shortcomings.

Only something like 45B of the 80 something B take effect this year, the rest are phased in down the road, so we are talking about a 1.5% reduction in projected growth. The budget for this year, with the sequester cuts, is still 59B more than last year. So, we have to settle for a new Mercedes this year instead of the new Lamborghini, we had planned to buy. Cry me a river, progs!

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I blame Obama’s tax increase on 77% of taxpayers. Gotta love the low-information voter who are shocked their taxes went up…

From the CNN article:

“Meanwhile, economists are closely watching consumer spending, which accounts for about two-thirds of the U.S. economy.

They’re waiting to see how the payroll tax hike will affect the broader recovery.

Spending increased $18.2 billion, or 0.2%, in January. Some economists, like Chris Christopher, Jr. of IHS Global Insight, called that “anemic” and pointed to weak retail sales at low-end and mid-tier retailers as proof that consumers are being squeezed.

The payroll tax cut “hurt many Americans where it counts — in their pocket books,” he said.”

http://money.cnn.com/2013/03/01/news/economy/income-spending-saving/

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getalife

Are you going to attempt to answer or just move on to some more Obama defensive talking point?

Which is it gitalife? When are you lying, when you say you don’t want cuts because cuts kill jobs, or when you say you want to cut DOD?

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Jefferson

The GOP caused the deficit, don’t forget.

So, the current Dem talking point is that spending and financial responsibility are the Congress’ responsibility. They approved all that spending, not Obama, right.

So splain to me how GWB caused this mess?

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The libs on here whine about the GOP being job killers, then in the next sentence want to cut the military in half.

Cutting the Defense budget =/= “cutting the military in half”

We could certainly cut our R & D military budget considering how many toys are stuck in the military budget even when the military says they don’t need those toys. There’s a terrible disconnect between what we need and programs in some Congressman’s district.

If we don’t want to cut jobs we could spend that money on NASA and technology which provide all sorts of expansion and jobs for the private sector like the GPS system did.

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“Yeah, just like it did for the generation before us, and the generation before them, and the generation before them. We seem to be doing ok, all in all.”

Yeah, ’cause constantly spending what we don’t have will never catch up with us, will it, Finn?

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No military development program is started without specifications for it first being issued by the military, so when you hear a lib say that the military “doesn’t want” one of it’s development programs, just remember The Pathological Lie that they think you believe, just because they said it.

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AQ-

There is plenty of money that could and should be cut from DOD and still maintain, train and equip the current force. I wish the Dems would join me and push the President to withdraw immediately and completely from Afghanistan. Think of the saving!

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cons cheering for going back to a recession is just another of the million reasons why our country must marginilyze these self defeatists for our country.

Kyle and the cons want the EU recession.

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And no I will not answer any ignorant question from you self defeatist cons.

If you want the EU recession move there.

Good riddance.

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“No, they won’t until our economy is non-existent and I don’t foresee that happening for hundreds of years.”

Someone hasn’t bothered to see the debt projections vs. GDP lately, have they?

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Nice admission that you don’t know how many jobs will be lost, even though you used that metric to make your claim of future “suffering”, Indigo.

And nice deflection on the question about why local communities can’t pay their own way and have to rely on others.

But you want to know the best indicator of whether this sequester will be the gloom and doom you libs keep claiming it will be?

The markets.

Not even a yawn this week.

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Obama’s “Jedi mind meld” mixes up “Star Trek” and “Star Wars

Ok, I guess we can rule out that he was born on another planet??

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Well, we can rule out he’s not a “Trekkie”, Finn.

Fascinating . . . .

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Saying the sky will fall if we cut the budget is only an admission that the federal government is way too much into our lives. The government NEEDS to back off, and let the states continue to care for their people at their people’s will. The government NEEDS to pay attention to its actual scope of authority under the Constitution. That doesn’t entail Head start programs, free cell phones, food stamps, disability payments, etc., etc.

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tiberius

For someone who seems to be very knowledgeable about gov’t, your constant berating of the president doesn’t add up. I mean, put yourself in his position; he walks into an almost great depression, an opposition that declares their number one goal is to defeat him and they use that cudgel every which way but loose. People who blame him for the debt when intelligent people know that 2 trillion would be added to it as he walked through the door from tarp, ongoing wars and the massive drop in unemployment with lower tax receipts. As a former politician all of that is a formidable high hurdle and as you well know the congress and specifically the house, appropriates money.
In reality, he has very little leverage to solve these massive problems but the quickest way is to focus on employment. More workers = more revenue. No matter who is president, it’s a thankless task.

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if “ifs” and “buts” were candy and nuts………………..

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And no I will not answer any ignorant question from you self defeatist cons.

That’s right get, a little hypocrisy is not that big off a deal for a Dem, a daily dose is good for any Obamabot. If you can swallow what Barry sells, you can just about handle anything else.

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If the sky does fall, is the damage covered by FEMA?

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If the sky does fall, is the damage covered by FEMA?

Not sure about that Hillbilly, but I am sure that CNN will blame it on Global Warming.

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Big question will the media find a way to blame the guy who fell in the sinkhole in FL on GW?

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And yes, sailfish, I know what it’s like to have to work with people who don’t always agree with my political stances, but once you’re elected, you do the work you have to in order to get the job done.

On rare occasions, our commission didn’t vote in lock-step, and I was usually the one or two who was in the minority on those votes, but the vast majority were votes on agreements hammered out with negotiations where both sides were willing to come to a compromise.

Obama got his tax hikes (not as much as he wanted, but he got them), and wanted more. He offered the GOP more tax hikes without specific cuts. That is NOT compromise.

He’s the single-most leadership-bereft President we’ve ever elected.

But he whines and blames others real well.

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Sorry to burst your bubble, Aquagirl, but it is ENTIRELY his job to sort this out.

Why are you telling me? I’m not the President. You should be on the phone with him right now, he’s apparently unaware the Constitution has lapsed and some blog dude on the AJC now defines our Executive branch.

Mitt Romney would have had a deal months ago, or had these cuts ready weeks ago if he had been elected.

These leakages of bitterness always amuse me. Mr. CEO would have it all fixed just like did at Bain Capital!!!!111!!! lol.

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Sailfish-

You simply ignore history. By the standard Obama made for himself, he is a failure. Why do Libs hold Obama to a different standard that a republican. Don’t you think if a Rep had been Pres for the past 4 plus years Libs would be screaming about Gitmo, with Obamo, silence.

Don’t you think if a republican had been pres. for the past 4 plus years and doubled down in Afghansitan the left would be screaming? Same for the drones.

Stunning is the word. If Bush’s added debt was “unpatriotic” what is Obama’s? silence.

If a republican administration was threatening reporters, all hell would break out. With Obama, silence till just recently.

If you have defined opinions about public policy, apply them to BOTH parties.

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Tiberius – 1:12

I said it’s not known how many jobs will be lost. I did not say there won’t be ANY jobs lost. Even if only a small number lose their jobs, that will cause suffering.

Just out of curiosity, what does “my taxes in Georgia pay for a teacher in Michigan” have to do with sequestration?

And, I said nothing about “doom and gloom”.

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“If a republican administration was threatening reporters”

Now whose naive kay????????

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I don’t really have a dog in this fight but Bernanke might turn out to be just as clueless as his predecessor, St Alan of Greenspan.

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tiberius

Hmmm…I’m going to agree to disagree with some of your points and leave it at that. Not that I don’t want to debate but these arguments are well worn out with newer ones birthing every day.

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Remember when Romney wanted to close loopholes to raise revenue, and how Barry scoffed at what a pitiful attempt at raising revenue that would be

No, actually I don’t. Which debate was this? (if it was the first I’ve probably blotted it from my memory.)

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Hillbilly D, we actually agree on many things.

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Hillbilly D, we actually agree on many things.

You might want to keep that quiet.

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Revenue sharing between the federal, state, and local governments…primarily started during the Nixon Administration…with the idea of maintaining “law and order”: that revenue sharing to fund law enforcement has yet to be stopped….and many municipalities depend on said funding to maintain that city’s police force. Without said funding, anywhere from 10-35% of a city’s police force would not be available.

Agreed that that’s how we got where we are, in large part but I thought it was a bad idea then and I still do. Municipalities became dependent on it, just as critics at the time warned.

You can’t take the 30 pieces of silver and keep your soul. Once you’ve sold it, there’s no turning back.

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Aquagirl and I rarely agree because she is always on the tax and spend side, but there is certainly viable cuts in defense. But just focusing on that and tax increases is not going to get the job done.

The GOP did propose giving Obama more discretion on where to cut instead of across the board sequestration, but he threatened a veto and the Senate blocked it. They did so because more tax increases weren’t included. Revenues aren’t going to be included unless/until their is another “Grand Bargain” type compromise like what was agreed between Boehner and Obama over a year ago before liberals killed it. We are still weeks/months away until possible “Grand Bargain” negotiations begin – in the meantime ….

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HDB, that’s the how.

Why are my tax dollars (or our debt) paying for a local problem?

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Tiberius — more to add to this: revenue sharing now just does not cover law enforcement; revenue sharing now covers many aspects of the state and local economy…..Medicare, job training, welfare, medical, education….anad when the funds from revenue sharing decline, many local governmental services — teachers, fire departments, police — suffer. It’s that simple…….

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JDW, if you are going to continue to insert yourself into conversations that ate above your intelligence level, please do so with someone else.

Answered in later posts, stooge.

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Tiberius – pulling the tail of the left AND right

March 1st, 2013
2:24 pm

The “WHY” is because many governmental issues that are federal in scope are being handled on the local and state levels…..such as ensuring domestic tranquility! Because of said handling of the federal issue on the local level (policing, education, as examples), funding must be done on the federal level, then transferred to the appropriate level…

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These crisis roll into the next because of the anti-American GOP and their treasonous followers! That’s how!

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I see splavistic didn’t get his Prozac refilled this month.

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Tiberius – pulling the tail of the left AND right

March 1st, 2013
2:35 pm
“Domestic tranquility, hbd? That’s a stretch, even for you.”

That’s what the Preamble to the CONSTITUTION says:

“We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.”

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Student debt tripled in eight years

This is what the for profit colleges do to us. Eating through our tax dollars.

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Greenbacks are the crack and government is the crackhead that should have been hauled to rehab a long time ago.

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Tiberius – pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed

February 28th, 2013
8:25 pm

Losers (and sore ones at that) like JDW, Politico and MarkV just can’t seem to hack the logical arguments presented on this blog.

Politico attacks the posters, but contributes nothing else. And repeats the same things more often than AmVet ever did. Too bad Politico won’t take the same path and self banish himself.

JDW keeps moving goal posts so frequently that he can’t even see the stadium any longer, and only tells the side of the argument he agrees with – never the whole story.

And what to say about MarkV that hasn’t already been said? If it’s not worded precisely in his personal dictionary, it can’t possibly be true. And when caught in his falsehoods, he constantly complains that “he never said that” (simply because someone didn’t quote him EXACTLY).

All-in-all, a fools gallery the liberal establishment can be proud of.
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Tiberius – pulling the tail of the left AND right

March 1st, 2013
2:39 pm

I see splavistic didn’t get his Prozac refilled this month.
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You couldn’t make this up if you tried. The pot is all is burnt up………. And the blog sheriff is on the loose.

The day he practices what he preaches is the day Kyle gives him his official deputy of the blog badge

bwhahahahahahahah

Everyone have an awesome weekend

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“Obama’s Golf Weekend With Tiger Cost As Much As 341 Federal Workers Furloughed”

Allrighty, right wing echoe chamber locked and loaded – fire!

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Allrighty, right wing echoe chamber locked and loaded – fire!

“Senator: one of my 22 D.C. office staff members wrote about Obama’s golf trip, and I signed my name so I get the credit when numpties forward it all over the internet.”

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“According to the CBO 750,000 but do blather on.”

According to the group that hardly gets any of their estimates right, JDW?

In the computer world we had a saying – “Garbage in – Garbage out”. When the people requesting the “estimates” cook the books with their input, you get the CBO’s record of miserable failure in estimating what might happen with government action.

But since everything revolving around government is automatically great with you, Curly, I’m sure you’re fine with failure on that scale.

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Hillbilly D

March 1st, 2013
2:24 pm

HD — when constituents were clamoring for a greater police presence inthe cities…and local governments could react quickly enough and did not have the funding, those same localities turned to the federals for help…and remember Nixon’s “law and order” pledge?? That was the beginning. Now, many municipalities are still crying for an increased police presence and the only funding source is the federal government! They sold their soul because of a lot of “fear-mongering” during the Nixon years…and that has been perpetuated since………….

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You know it’s easy to make fun of “facts”, assuming Sen Sessions is right, and ignore the reality of the comment.

For the 100th time, consider for a moment if a Rep was Pres, flew to Fla to play golf just before the sequester hit. The libs and the media would be screaming. But with Obama, silence. Stunning.

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HDB, if (name the entity) can’t handle the job of law enforcement, fire fighting and teaching, then maybe they should scale back their operations and scope of responsibility.

Responsibility; that’s not a word you hear from your side of the aisle at all, is it?

Or they can always raise taxes, but then people would vote them out of office (heaven forbid!), or failing that, vote with their feet as they are doing in Detroit.

And it’s more than just a coincidence that the entities that can’t handle their own responsibilities and look to others for help are usually run by Democrats.

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Finally, he suggested that austerity in a depressed economy may well be self-defeating even in purely fiscal terms: “Besides having adverse effects on jobs and incomes, a slower recovery would lead to less actual deficit reduction in the short run for any given set of fiscal actions.”

“So the deficit is not a clear and present danger, spending cuts in a depressed economy are a terrible idea and premature austerity doesn’t make sense even in budgetary terms. Regular readers may find these propositions familiar, since they’re pretty much what I and other progressive economists have been saying all along. But we’re irresponsible hippies. Is Ben Bernanke? (Well, he has a beard.) ” Krugman on Bernanke.

The gop are country last.

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JDW

Before you get all aroused or what not, the debt to gdp in now in the mid 80’s. I misread; the end of the graph was projections for 2015, which is so far way off, all of two plus years or so, and we hit 101% if the government is accurate, which we all know they never are.

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I don’t know about you, but I haven’t had any pieces of sky falling on my head today.

Me neither. Only a lib would mistake Obama’s BS (birdspit?) as a piece of fallen sky….a huge chunk from the O-zone.

schnirt

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premature austerity doesn’t make sense even in budgetary terms.

If you want the ability to continue to borrow money, you don’t wait until the creditor says I’m calling the note. That is similar to what happened in Europe, they didn’t want to give up their benefits, “prematurely”. Now, they have little choice, but to take to the streets and cry, but there is no one left with money to appease their cries them, and make the boogeyman (austerity) go away.

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The facts are in, both parties agree it is horrible policy but lets do it anyway.

It is ignorant , self defeating and people will get hurt.

Insane.

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“Duh…who held the house from 94 – 2006? Hint – not democrats”

I think things we pretty good during that time frame. I guess Nancy and Harry really messed things up.

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“I am not a dictator. I’m the president,” Barack Obama declared as he rejected the idea of using burly Secret Service agents to keep lawmakers from leaving until everyone agreed on a budget.”

So NOW he’s figured out he’s not a dictator!

Maybe he’ll reverse some of the Executive Orders he’s signed throughout his first term, then?

Nah!

He’s only a dictator when he can make political hay out of being one.

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The obama’s doom and gloom prophesies portrayed as the Obamalypse, fashioned after the Biblical Apocalypse.

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Meanwhile, back on Earth, 100 Billion Dollars in wasteful federal spending remains untouched because, I guess, obozo likes it.

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The obama’s doom and gloom prophesies portrayed as the Obamalypse, fashioned after the Biblical Apocalypse,

Stupid comment from the stupid party.

Job killers.

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Mam, this blog is dumbed down.

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Yeah, greenspan was a disaster.

Dang son, I believe you are beginning to learn something. Just add the other two members of Bill Clinton’s economic team, Robert Rubin and Larry Summers, for the rest of that financial disaster.

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Thought you’d achieved your dream of moving to the flatlands of LA. (IWH)

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Tiberius – 2:13 “why is the Federal Govt. paying for something that is a local responsibility”?

Because we live in the UNITED States of America, not a loose confederation of states.

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flatlands of LA?

Los Angeles? Louisiana?

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“As I recall, you suffered from bds back when…”

Yes, when he cut and ran from obl to occupy Iraq to explode our deficit then he collapse the economy.

The majority agree he was a disaster but he gave us President Obama.

A winner not a loser.

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flatlands of LA?
Los Angeles? Louisiana?

Lower Alabama

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get people like gramm out of government permanently.

Doubt he’ll ever get back in. He’s made way too much money to get back in now. Besides, he did what he went to do.

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“Doubt he’ll ever get back in. ”

The sequestration was his idea and they tried it before but congress made sure nothing was cut.

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I am 77 years old and this Congress and President are the poorest leaders I have ever witnessed since I started voting over 50 years ago. If ,God forbid, we had another WW II we would be in serious trouble.

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getalife

Gramm went to help the banks and make a lot of money, so he’s no reason to go back. Besides, he works for a big international bank now doesn’t he?

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It collapsed under w’s watch but would like to see the list of “there is plenty of blame to go around” to get people like gramm out of government permanently.

Which proves it took time for the collapse to happen that Brooksley Born warned about. Now get an education instead of continuing spouting your ignorance again again and again. Just watch, that should be easy enough even for you.

http://video.pbs.org/video/1302794657/

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Micheal,

I listen to folks that predicted the collapse not failed rw media,

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Hillbilly:

I was in lower Alabama earlier this week. Attended my Aunt’s funeral.

Getalife:

rw extremist?

Nah…I can be found somewhere between the Tea Party and OWS, although I’m not looking for a handout, neither am I looking to give the feds one.

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There was one fiscal con during the w disaster and his name was Jeff Flake.

Then you had Senator Dorgan, Dr. Doom, Krugman and Stiglitz that predicted the collapse and how to recover from it.

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@@,

Sorry to hear about your Aunt.

” between the Tea Party and OWS,”

That would be the center.

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When the best you have is “leg humper” to refute you blatant hypocrisy and lack of character………. it says all you need to know

take care now

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Considering that every response you have for me, politico, is the same thing over and over, leg humper pretty much says it all.

If you want an intelligent conversation, you will need to developed some depth and intelligence.

I’m not holding my breath.

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Personally, I think the seeds of our problems were sewn in the bank deregulation that started in the late 1970’s. At the time, I thought it was a good idea but with the benefit of hindsight, I was a damn fool when it came to that.

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Sorry, I stopped reading con links a long time ago

Oh that’s fine, I still expose liberal lies and ignorance of the facts for the benefit of those who aren’t brainwashed or braindead. They usually realize a link to PBS is more likely to be liberal leaning than conservative.

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Goodnight to all.

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AQ-

And denial is not a river.

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“The more push from the left, the farther right I’ll go.”

That works two ways and always as. That’s why we see swings and always will

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The Dems did not start new occupations,collapsed the economy or voted to end SS and Medicare so I have to go left.

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yap, yap, yap little hypocrite

don’t fall off that step stool

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As I surmised.

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like wise………..

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Big Wingfield “Welcome Back” to @@:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfX7HS1prJc

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We are out of adjectives to describe the party of stupid so I will just use the initials pos, if you will.

The pos will now cry about unemployment rising and austerity will fail to keep our recovery going.

Bottom line, you can’t cry about our economy pos.

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No unemployment here, getalife. I’m back to 6 days per week starting next week. You’ll have to find some Libs to cry in your beer with.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSrdHdxHl3U

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It is just flat out ignorant and reckless to attack our economy right now.

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getalife–Has it occurred to you that the Republicans have very little power right now?? If you’re looking for a scapegoat, you might consider blaming those who can actually do something about it.

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They have to power to obstruct and they are.

Politics first, country last.

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They have to power to obstruct and they are.

When you can point to any actual legislation coming from the Dem side that the Repubs have blocked, I will agree with you. Not vague proposals thrown out for show, but actual bills that have been presented for a vote.

Politics first, country last.

If Obama wanted to work with the Republicans, he could. But, he’s getting too much political mileage out of doing nothing and blaming the other guy. And as long as rubes like you keep falling for his excuses, nothing is going to change. So that means we’re looking at 4 more uninspiring years of excuses.

Obama = Excuse Maker In Chief.

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Dreamed of you this morning……

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omBTZX1eixc

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No scandals, no new wars, no attacks on the homeland, no collapses, steady job growth, etc….

I am happy with our President but still have to work on creating jobs not killing them.

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LOL @ “steady job growth”.

Unemployment higher today than when your messiah took office.

Heckuva job, Barry.

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Obozo: Worst ever.

And yet, Romney still couldn’t defeat him.

Maybe y’all shoulda gone with Elmer Fudd, huh?

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Remember when presidents led? So four years ago.

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Can’t wait for the warm weather.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SFt7JHwJeg

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“the top of your head isn’t visible over that podium in the county commissioners office”
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Still stuck on stupid, Kammy? You have me confused with someone else.

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LBB,you never have to ask if Kamchak is stuck on stupid.

His misinformed and repetitive statements proves that it is his default state.

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Bait.

Cast.

STRIKE!

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Kammy, put away your Popeil Pocket Fisherman. It’s pathetic. Just like your Idiot Messiah and his loser base.

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Kammy’s complete, total, and unconditional surrender are[sic] accepted.

There’s your sign.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

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What frickin’ business is it of yours who he golfs with or where? Nobody will criticize YOU if YOU go to Florida and golf with Tiger Woods. If you want to, what’s stopping you? If you don’t, why whine about it if somebody else does?

Excuse me whackjob, but exactly who is paying for obozo’s extravagance?

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Barry

You want Obama, covered in sackcloth and ashes, and on bended knee before Boehner, begging forgiveness for his liberal sins.

Your foolishness is only matched by your ignorance.

And, you are a poster boy for why no one should ever be home schooled.

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If you’re under the influence of any mind altering substances, you probably ought to pass this one up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VHGHId6-OU

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The non rich people who vote Republican are responsible for their economic predicament and they want to drag the rational people who vote Democrat down into the bottom of the economic abysis with them… Misery loves company…

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We know that rich millionaires and billionaires are not paying for anything… The elite privileged pay only a minimal 13% capital gain tax rate on their millions and billions… The non rich pay a hefty 35% federal income tax rate… Fair and balance is totally out of balance and unfair…

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ODD OWL

We know that rich millionaires and billionaires are not paying for anything
The fact is that millionaires and billionaires pay a higher rate than you do.

The elite privileged pay only a minimal 13% capital gain tax rate on their millions and billions
There is no 13% rate on capital gains for anyone.

The non rich pay a hefty 35% federal income tax rate
There isn’t an income quintile that pays a 35% federal income tax rate.

But I suspect your post is merely an ignorant drive-by.

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Just remember folks nearly Half of the country didn’t vote for Obama. The Demo’s bought off the Major Networks, the Auto Indudstry and lot of votes in Pennsylvania. He doesn’t really represent nearly half of the population. Keep that in mind. If he was a kid in the old days he would probably had his mouth washed out wiith soap for telling big ones. He was too young for Viet Nam. I would have liked to see him stand before the a Drill Instructor I had during the Korean War..

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There is nothing worse than a bunch of Republican losers making up lame arse excuses for hanging on to the coattail of a loser like Mittens Romney… Most of the “for sale” signs in the town i live in are in front of houses own by non rich, paycheck to paycheck lower class and middle class people who vote Republican… Non rich Republicans = Losers

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He is President of the United States.

Show some respect cons.

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Cursings and blessings coming out of the same mouth.

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Pull out of Afghanistan now, and cut the military budget in half.

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“I will never respect socialist tinpots.”

So we have Canada care?

Nope.

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Oh my gosh, Kid, what hole did you crawl out of? And why is it every time someone disagrees with the President, someone has to play the race card? I don’t give a flying fart if Obama is black, white, purple or green–he’s not leading this country. Just kicking the can down the road and blaming everyone in his wake.

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I do not believe he would be kicking a can at his wake or there would be that much water in the road,Could be he’s kicking a cow down the road,or a dead cow,patty.

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Republican intransigence and obstructionism will go full circle and return to bite them in the arse… No evil deeds go unpunished…

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Clarence Thomas and Antonin Scalia are racial bigots and its time for them to go… Both of them are bias, prejudice and bigoted… Thomas and Scalia act on emotional impulses without the benefit of rationality, logic and reason… These two scoundrels are lacking in honesty and integrity which causes Americans to question their character… These Republicans are trampling on the Constitution and the Bill of Rights… They’re hell bent on desolving the Union…

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“No evil deeds go unpunished…”

Not so, ODD OWL.

President Incompetent did get re-elected.

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It would be nice if we had a Real President.

One like Reagan

Who tripled our National Debt and cut and ran like a coward from Beirut.

Or like George W. The coward who had his daddy open every door for him and get him out of Vietnam

Real men like that ?
– See more at: http://blogs.ajc.com/kyle-wingfield/2013/03/01/how-the-present-fiscal-crisis-rolls-right-into-the-next-one/?cxntfid=blogs_kyle_wingfield#sthash.Ed0b6XAs.dpuf

cheesy is having trouble reading. REAL PRESIDENT. And yes it would be nice to have a real American President.

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for the first time in history a president proposed a plan, got his plan passed into law and then went on tour telling the country his plan was a terrible idea and the other side should do something to prevent his plan from taking effect.

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Republican aides said the GOP has maneuvered the president into a corner. Aides believe the sequester will affect Democratic constituencies more deeply than Republicans’, and by adding defense-related bills into the continuing resolution, they feel they can pacify their own hawks longer than Congressional Democrats can keep in line their members who cherish social programs.

Game ova.

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Little Barry obama went to the store to buy a skateboard. The salesman asked little barry do you know how to ride a skateboard. NO I DONT, an angry barry said. I just want a skateboard. Dont you want to learn how to ride one first barry? NO I DONT, I just want the skateboard. OK lets go look for some safety gear in case you fall, heres a helment, elbow and kneepads. Little barry angrily yelled I DONT NEED THAT CRAP, NOW GIVE ME THE SKATEBOARD. ok ok barry heres your skateboard, just be very careful with it and dont hurt yourself.

The next day little barry comes in with a broken arm, busted up nose and bandaged head. What happened to you little barry the salesman asked? I FELL OFF THE SKATEBOARD YOU SOLD ME. WHY DID YOU SELL ME A SKATEBOARD WHEN YOU KNEW I COULDNT RIDE ONE. ITS YOUR FAULT. WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

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Aesop – 9:10 “Republican aides said”

And, of course, you believe everything Republican aides say, right toolie?

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Maxine Waters: “Over 170 Million Jobs Could Be Lost” Due To Sequester Cuts…Problem: Only 134 million employed right now

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“That old saying “the pot calling the kettle black” certainly comes to mind now.”

Only in Indigoville, where the poster has no concept of the meaning of the word.

But in reality, not so much.

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Deflection alert at 9:56!

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Actually,

Washington needs to be run like sensible GEORGIA.

We have a BUDGET that must be met.

We have a sensible governor who does not take handouts that would be expensive later and does not play golf..

We throw out school boards that do not perform well.

We study ways to improve our schools and our transportation.

We even have a fine newspaper (even though I don’t agree with everything they publish).

We have the finest airport in the country.

We have out-of-state people rushing to live here.

Welcome, South, brother. Too bad the rest of the country can’t catch up with us. But, mind your manners when you come here. We’ve got standards, you know, and we are going to keep them. Do not worry about Washington. In about four more years., a vast improvement will begin even for the slow learners of our country..

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“There was a specific mention in the news today by a high ranking official that said ‘The employees that clean and maintain the US Capitol will receive a cut in pay’ (not specific quote but very close to it),” Elias continued.

“This is NOT TRUE,” wrote Elias. “Therefore, I request that you please notify all of our employees about the importance of ignoring media reports.”

And, of course, the high ranking official that told the lie – obozo.

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Chicago was never corrupt,until Obama come along.Calumet city never exist until Obama come along.Standard oil,Union Carbide Inland,Us,Youngstown,steel mills were all thriving until Obama come along.Lake Michigan was never polluted until Obama come along.And I say poor losers.

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For people like that, tightening belts, losing job is inconsequential suffering – as long as those are not their belts and their jobs.

I can only hope that jackasses like MarkV will realize one day that no one wants to see his fellow man suffering. However, over in the real world, enduring short-term pain is sometimes necessary to achieve long-term health. The Democrat plan to keep printing/borrowing more money is beyond irresponsible, and will only result in greater suffering later.

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Did not have Feds printing money until Obama come along.

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No tiberius I leave the jerk part to TD and his many AKA’s.As for the same over the past 4 years no I think Obama should show better leadership,and congress should do the same.

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– as long as those are not their belts and their jobs

If we had the same empathy for those who had done the responsible things in life and prospered, when they had their property confiscated by rising taxes. Yet, those people who advocate raising taxes do not care, because it is not their property and their hard work that is being taken.

As long as one group believes that there is nothing government can’t accomplish if given enough resources and the other group believes that government has not demonstrated that it is capable of effectively and efficiently handling the tasks it already has assumed, we are not going to agree.

For the first group it seems there is never enough, we just need a little more. How much more? When have we fulfilled our obligation to our fellow man? They never want to talk about that, just a little more right now. I am out of empathy for the perpetual “we need a little more”. The more they tax the more they spend. No program is ever a success, it just needs a little more revenue to be successful, we underestimated the need, is what we are told.

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was dead wrong.

The turtle did not cave yet so the cuts started.

You can shut up about cuts and our economy now cons.

Time to work on the President’s agenda.

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But, Obama had to emulate his hero, FDR, who failed to arrest the last great depression. IMHO

As I’m sure you’ve figured out, Rafe, the Libs will never budge in their support of Keynesian economics. Not because it actually works, but because it sounds clever on paper and because it jives nicely with their world view that top-down, collective solutions are the only valid solutions possible.

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Let’s make this simple.

FIRST you make a sensible budget in sequence with the amount of money that will be produced. If there is debt, payment to reduce that should also be included as part of the budget. .

Then you stay within the budget as it is written. No cheating, borrowing or layaway/credit purchases.

This is a very simple plan that will keep household and countries financially stable.

Don’t sneer at the simplistic. It works.

To defend the financial status of the present USA government is “defending the indefensible”. Don’t look foolish .by trying to do so.

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Keith

Having worked in government, I can assure you, Barry is secure in his assumption, that we are talking different pots of money here. In government, the main reason it is so wasteful, is that agencies do not have the authority to move money from one bucket to the next and an inter-agency transfer of money is as rare as a conservative democrat. So, once the money is appropriated by Congress it has to be spent for the things it was appropriated for. So one agency is buying new cars to replace the two year old ones they haven’t driven much, while another agency doesn’t have money to purchase basic supplies like pens and paper. So, Barry probably needed to spend down the inordinate budget he was given for travel, and he can’t transfer that to feed some starving family.

America governmental management is like the tax code, it desperately needs reforming, but we are two busy trying to take over people’s healthcare or provide kindercare for 3 year olds, instead.

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First, he starts with an insult (“jackasses like MarkV”)

MarkV–Let me break it down for you one more time. What qualifies you as a jackass is your inability to see things from any other perspective than your own along with your bad habit of ascribing evil intentions to anyone who doesn’t agree with your opinions. In case you were unaware, there is serious disagreement among economists regarding the efficacy of Keynesian economic policies. But, rather than acknowledging that there may be more than one valid, reasonable and compassionate point of view and course of action available, you attempt to dismiss anyone who disagrees with you by claiming that they just don’t care about anyone but themselves and that they (obviously) “do not even belong to this century and society.”

Maybe one of these days you can try building an argument using facts, figures and historical results instead of simply trying to disqualify anyone with a different opinion on the front end. But, that would require actual thought, something I’m not sure you’re capable of.

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I know the Pres & congress appoint members of Fed.bank but who makes the decision to print more money.I believe this bank to be a private bank.So who makes these decision?Give me an honest answere please,thank you in advance.

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Dusty @ 12:09 pm

Dusty,

What might work for a family budget (even there not always), does not work for the much more complicated government activity. First, you cannot start with something like “FIRST you make a sensible budget in sequence with the amount of money that will be produced.” Unless we hire a clairvoyant (Bruno might offer his services, but there are quite a few others on this blog) who KNOWS what will be produced, the government has only an estimate, a prediction of the revenues and expenses. But that is a relatively minor point. The measures you suggest usually involve more than the mostly simple decision about a family budget.

Let me give you a very relevant example. To make it more fun, let’s imagine that you are actually a monarch with a lot of power to make decisions (Queen Dusty – doesn’t that sound great?). And your minister (or vizier or something like that if you prefer) comes to you with this very current problem:

The construction industry is depressed. We need improvements of road, bridges, etc. Those are projects funded mainly by the government but performed by private contractors. But we do not have money for that, as a matter of fact, we are in debt. What do you want us to do, Your Highness? Here are some alternatives:

1. Leave the budget as it is.
2. Cut the budget for such construction further to reduce the deficit and eventually the debt.
3. Increase the budget for such construction, and borrow more money to do that.

If your minister is a smart as we believe some tales he might be, he would give you further his thoughts about the consequences of those alternatives.

1. We are now paying those unemployed construction workers unemployment benefits, which cut into our budget, and they do not pay any taxes. We can cut their benefits and make them starve. The needed roads and bridges will not get the needed improvement.
2. Same as 1) but worse.
3. The roads and bridges will be improved, the employed works will not need the government payments, will buy things to help the economy grow, and will pay taxes, which will, bring the revenue and thus reduce the deficit.

What would be your choice, Majesty?

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So, we cut 85 billion a year for ten years but will continue easing 85 billion a month so what is the total savings from the cuts?

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Tell you what, MarkV, let me humor you for a minute.

Then the claim: “no one wants to see his fellow man suffering.” The omniscient Bruno knows what everyone wants or not wants,

So, MarkV, how am I any more or less omniscient in my view that “no one wants to see his fellow man suffering” than you are with your statement that “For people like that, tightening belts, losing job is inconsequential suffering – as long as those are not their belts and their jobs.”?? How are you able to know the hearts and minds of strangers any better than I am?? What makes you so special in that way??

And then clairvoyance of the self-proclaimed economic authority: “The Democrat plan to keep printing/borrowing more money is beyond irresponsible, and will only result in greater suffering later.”

While you’re at it, perhaps you can defend your own clairvoyance and self-proclaimed economic authority when you said “And how many times have we seen some “sage thinker” pontificate: “You can’t borrow and spend yourself out of debt.” Evidently not anticipating that there is an answer to that, which is: Yes, you can.” Okey-do, the great “sage thinker” MarkV says “Yes, you can”. No supporting evidence, no historical data, no reasoned defense of Keynesian economics, just “Yes, you can” and that’s supposed to be the end of the argument. And you wonder why I have a hard time taking you seriously….

First, he starts with an insult (“jackasses like MarkV”). He, who complained of people insulting him.

Maybe you don’t call people “jackasses”, but a substantial percentage of your posts contain some dig, some ad hominem attempt at discrediting your opponent’s arguments via personal insult. But, because your insults are a little more dressed up than mine, you think that leaves you with less mud on your hands. Which only makes you even more of a jackass.

The bottom line, MarkV, is that I could take apart every one of your posts to the Nth degree of specificity you attempt to demand of the other bloggers here, but it isn’t worth the effort because aren’t here for the give and take. You’re here to give speeches.

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If one needs more evidence of Bruno’s incompetence, just look at one “argument” in his long diatribe:

MarkV: “You can’t borrow and spend yourself out of debt.” Evidently not anticipating that there is an answer to that, which is: Yes, you can.”

Bruno: Okey-do, the great “sage thinker” MarkV says “Yes, you can”. No supporting evidence, no historical data, no reasoned defense of Keynesian economics, just “Yes, you can” and that’s supposed to be the end of the argument. “

So the great Bruno is incapable of thinking of situations in which one can borrow and spend himself/herself out of debt? He needs supporting evidence, historical data, reasoned defense of Keynesian economic”? A person with such a poverty of thought wants to call other people jackasses?

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Sorry, MarkV, I stand by being sensible. I am already ‘Queen” of my household (my husband would agree) and we are not in debt and have taken into account that there may be emergencies. In other words, we are Conservative in our decisions.

Of course government is more complicated and right now it is the proverbial Gordian knot. So go sensible. for a change.

The USA can predict within a certain percentage how much money will come into its coffers.

Congress willl pass a sensible budget when presented with one.

No matter the circumstance except for war & plagues should that budget be over stepped..

In a state of huge indebtness, alll such “needs” as infrastructure, unemployment, insuffiencies, subsidies will be severely limited and paid only with what budget allows.

The president will impress the people with his own modest lifestyle and will commend them for showing their support for the country instead of themselves.

Citizens will respond with ingenuity , thrift, hard work and patriotism. They will work for the greater goal of freedom from debt and overpowering government. They will also know that the money they make will be there for them to decide how to spend it. Low taxes! Freedom!!

MarkV, it is hard to believe that you cannot understand what it takes to be independent. That you believe Americans are not capable of being independent, that government must support them in every endeavor and they, the willing subjects (slaves) should be happy to let government manage our lives.

In what world did you learn such a dependent form of overpowering government? It is not the one which I enjoy and cherish.

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So the great Bruno is incapable of thinking of situations in which one can borrow and spend himself/herself out of debt?

Sure, I can. Every person or business has to make a front-end investment before being able to generate revenue. In that way, wise, prudent investments ( = borrow and spend) make sense. But, there is a price point at which such an “investment” doesn’t make sense, e.g.spending $100,000 on work clothes.

Carrying the analogy to the government side, the Lib argument is that all we have to do is create employment via government spending, and that the effect of the newly injected revenue into the economy will somehow be multiplied, thereby turning the business cycles all back to positive. However, as things stand, we’ve already spent $16 T on new work clothes, which is equal to more than 6 years salary. At this point, buying more clothes isn’t a prudent investment.

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“When I wrote about people who do not see suffering as long as it does not affect them – does any rational person believes that there are no such people?

No, the rational people know you’re just being goal post moving, completely dense backpedaler of a jerk who got caught yet again making a preposterous statement he cannot back up.

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Ok, folks, as predicted, here comes the Nth degree of specificity that only MarkV resorts to because he can’t see the three fingers pointing back at himself.

The great Bruno is incapable of understanding the difference between his and my statements. When he wrote “no one wants to see his fellow man suffering,” it was an absolute statement. “Not one” means not a single existing person. Is there any reason, evidence or logic for making such an assumption? Do not news every day give evidence of people who deliberately inflict suffering on others?

When I wrote about people who do not see suffering as long as it does not affect them – does any rational person believes that there are no such people?

MarkV–Your original statement was “The conservatives’ viewpoint of the subject of spending cuts has been best summarized in the following: “First, Indigo, define “suffer”. Is it that some families might have to tighten their belts a bit? Some people might lose their jobs? “ For people like that…..”

So, you took the statement of one poster and generalized it as being representative of all conservatives, who comprise nearly half the country. But, somehow, that’s less “absolute” than my statement about no one condoning suffering?? Only in your world, MarkV. And BTW, I would think a reasonable person would understand that my generalization about no one condoning suffering had normal, built in exceptions which didn’t require explicit enumeration. Or, are you one of the people who needs a warning label not to put small children into the dishwasher??

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Second deflection alert at 1:42!

And MarkV complains when Dusty allegedly doesn’t answer his questions . . . .

Still waiting for that example of a government which borrowed and spent it’s way out of an 80% debt to GDP ratio, MarkV.

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Bruno: ““no one wants to see his fellow man suffering.”

Only in Bruno world this is a generalization that “had normal, built in exceptions which didn’t require explicit enumeration.” In a normal world it is about a claim that nobody wants to see his fellow man suffering. Or to put it differently, in Bruno’s world it is a refusal to accept personal responsibility for what he has written.

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Sorry, MarkV

You tell us almost every day what your beliefs are about government. Why do you think we don’t know?

I did answer your questions. You did not answer mine. As to “venting my spleen”, sometimes yes. but not today. I only feel a frustrating sadness that an intelligent American can have such an unAmerican-like philosophy. who wants to remake the basic principles of our government.

The basics of our government are sound. The fringe wanting us to change are embroiling the USA in the worst financial state we have ever had. With financial failure staring us in the face, these same people want to continue the same policies. They are NOT working. So don’t expect me to say something good about bad policies. I am too honest to say otherwise.

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“Keep waiting, in your delusion that I should be obliged to answer stupid questions about something I have not claimed anything about.”

MarkV, you’re a liar – plain and simple.

Our situation right now is that we currently have a debt of 80% of our GDP and rising to 100% if estimates are to be believed by 2015.

You’ve made the outlandish claim that you can borrow and spend your way out of debt during a conversation about our government’s spending and debt. Now I’m sure you’re going to do your all-too-typical MarkV backpedal and wordsmithing and say that you never meant it to apply to government spending, but it just won’t wash with people of intelligence.

Either way, MarkV, you’re a liar.

The cowardly part is when you change the parameters of the discussion to claim you never made any such statement.

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MarkV,

Bruno is a doctor who sees patients six days a week. That gives me a clue that he might know what “suffering” entails.

Disagreement is acceptable but let’s not get unreasonable.

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Dusty @ 2:06 pm

“Bruno is a doctor who sees patients six days a week. That gives me a clue that he might know what “suffering” entails.”

Dusty,

Please, try to make some sense. What was at issue was economic suffering. Not to mention the fact that whether Bruno does or does not know what suffering entails has no bearing on the point being discussed.

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bluecoat, Google is your friend.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Reserve_System

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“I counter arguments, which I disagree with.”

But cowardly doesn’t acknowledge posts which prove how wrong his counter arguments are.

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Poor, pathetic Tiberius. So incompetent, so pitiful. His only problem, as so many times before, is that he calls people “liars,” but is incapable of providing evidence of the lie. Just like now, where he wants me to show that because I wrote that one can borrow and spend himself out of debt, I must show “Where has that worked when your debt is 80% of your GDP.” One can only wonder, is his insanity just temporary? His obnoxiousness and arrogance apparently is not.

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Bruno and Tiberius, what a pair.

Bruno: “…you claimed that “conservatives” are indifferent to the suffering of others. Which, by last count, is about half of our population.”

Bruno is, again, incapable of comprehending the meaning of statements, so he “interprets” them I did not write (what would be similar to his claim) that all conservatives are indifferent top suffering of others. Let’s Bruno try to prove that I did!

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“Just like now, where he wants me to show that because I wrote that one can borrow and spend himself out of debt, I must show “Where has that worked when your debt is 80% of your GDP.”

Not only am I calling you a liar, MarkV, but you’re an incompetent liar.

You like to make counter arguments, but when one is provided to you that completely blows your counter argument out of the water, you don’t answer it, and call people names.

So man up, MarkV. If governments can, in fact borrow and spend their way out of debt as you claim, there surely must be an example of such an instance similar to our current situation, right? You know, so your earlier claim might hold a bit of water? Failure to produce a government which has done so is the proof of your lie, MarkV. Further proof is your claiming you never made your earlier claim.

Coward and liar. Sums up MarkV pretty well.

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Dusty @ 2:34 pm

Dear Dusty,

I can excuse what you have written only perhaps by inattention because of your doing something else, such as cooking or watching the birds outside.

“Economics don’t actually “suffer”. Economics is just another name for business and finance.”

Huh? Please show me where I wrote that “economics suffer.” You mean when I wrote that there was “economic suffering?” You have some problem understanding that expression? You know, economic as an adjective?

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Yes, MarkV, there is a tiny percentage of people who enjoy watching others suffer

I never knew I was one of those people until Mark came along. Yes, oh yes, I do enjoy seeing Mark suffer as a result of his trying to parse, critique, and disparage posts submitted by others, while refusing to own up to his own errors. It is great entertainment.

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Thanks Tiberius-[16] According to the Board of Governors, the Federal Reserve System “is considered an independent central bank because its monetary policy decisions do not have to be approved by the President or anyone else in the executive or legislative branches of government, it does not receive funding appropriated by the Congress, and the terms of the members of the Board of Governors span multiple presidential and congressional terms.”[17] Its authority is derived from statutes enacted by the U.S. Congress and the System is subject to congressional oversight——–I fail to see where Obama has any say on the money printing.As above Its authority derived from statues enacted by congress and the system is subject to congressional oversight

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He must be one heck of a doctor.Some time back I heard /read him boasting about the number of patients for the day.And the one for him and his partner.If he takes assingment I can see why medicare/caid going broke fast.

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Here comes Rafe (@2:49 pm), another one who is capable of making stupid comments, but incapable of providing evidence of anything.

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Dusty @ 2:59 pm

“Economics is a name. It is not human.”

One more time, Dusty, I did not write the word economics, a noun. I wrote about “economic suffering,” so what is your problem when you understand that it means human suffering because of economic conditions?

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left the n out.This indicates ready,fire,aim,need to proof before print.

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Dusty @ 2:59 pm

Also, Dusty, if you want to dispute my expression, try the same with your friend Bruno:
Bruno @ 2:26 pm:“And, by ignoring any long-term economic suffering…”

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gitmo – You should have listened when we told you tax hikes bring in lowered revenues. Happens everytime a lib tries it. We all know that you and obozo are special libs but you cannot overcome economic reality with your specialness. Other people aren’t really that impressed of how special you and obozo are.

And bernake is busy building an even bigger downfall than you can imagine.

The American people are going to be really angry when our economy collapses and that will be the blessed, long awaited end to liberalism.

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The good news is gas will drop.

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Bruno @ 2:40 pm

”According to the rules of your debate book, only YOUR points are allowed to be introduced and discussed, and any straying from the exact original language which you set forth will be met with a barrage of insults.”

Another stupidity from the great Bruno. And a lie. Why don’t you show where I spoke anything about anybody not be allowed to introduce and discuss any point?

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Haven’t heard any lies from obozo today so that must mean he’s off golfing somewhere.

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Aesop’s Fables and other Lib Economic Theories

March 2nd, 2013
4:41 pm

Haven’t heard any lies from obozo today so that must mean he’s off golfing somewhere.

Or at Camp David shooting more skeet.

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It’s my understanding that they had to pressure wash the Oval Office before W could sit in there for the first time because it was too sticky.

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Rafe, there is no such thing as a debate with MarkV.

He makes a statement he can’t back up, then spends the rest of the day back pedaling and lying to people by claiming he never said anything.

He’s the consummate coward and liar.

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obozo the belligerent has fallen silent! First Time Eva. Even the Prompter has nothing to say. Is there a problem? What, pray tell, has prompted this blessing upon our nation? Can we, like, expect more of it in the future?

Oh, now I remember, it was that beating he took at the hands of the Repugs. I’m sorry.

Never mind.

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“Can we, like, expect more of it in the future?”

Yes, more vacationing in some far away land.

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Well, I’m with Wingfield and the other godly Conservatives on here. We won’t be getting nowhere till we start whacking SS and Medicare. It’s been about 80 years and the librul Democrats still won’t agree to the cuts. So let’s starve them out. Now if the big money was being spent on wars and Tax Cuts I might could feel different. But it ain’t, so let’s whack. I won’t be happy till Sister Dusty won’t even be able to afford the cheap wine she guzzles sips.

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Aesop: Dutifully passing along white house proganda is not, in fact, lying
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That depends on whether the person doing the passing knows that it’s false, in which case it IS lying.

For example, repeating Obozo’s claim that “we don’t have a spending problem” would almost certainly be known to be false to anyone, even a publicly-educated progtard.

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Barry

There have been times in our past when we had a fully functioning, competent President.

Eight years of George W. Bush was absolutely NOT one of those times.

He will likely go down in history as the worst President we’ve ever had.

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Obozo? All campaign, no solutions. Nothing more than a rabble-rouser.

Oh, but you forget all his good points. He will serve as the poster boy for how not to govern as President. He is a one man economic stimulater, with all the WH dance parties, the trips, the vacations, and the constant campaigning. He unites the opposition by being so arrogant, intemperate, and angry. He makes all his lackluster predecessors look amazingly good. His policy failures hopefully will serve as warnings to future Presidents not to go down that road.

Got to look at the bright side of Obamanism!!!

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At least GWB had flashes of competence, albeit rarely.

The current Incompetent hasn’t shown one shred of it since his inauguration in 2009.

Not one.

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Obozo doesn’t want a budget passed, as it would deprive him of all these opportunities to rabble-rouse, to fear-monger, and to encourage his base’s hatred of people who work for a living.

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‘Just to make the final point about the sequester,” said President Obama at his press conference Friday, “we will get through this. This is not going to be an apocalypse, I think, as some people have said.”

There must be two obozos?!?

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Hooray for Obama. He accomplished something though he is running from the only accomplisment of his administration. He sort of, not quite, but almost reduced his excessive spending through sequestration for which as usual he won’t take the credit. Meanwhile, liberals are afraid to go out side for fear the fg\alling sky will hurt them. One thing for sure though, Obamanomics has virtually stopped inflation. With the only new jobs added under his policies paying less than eight dollars an hour there is little danger of inflation.

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Georgia: The markets are telling us that the next four years will be a new Camelot.
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The markets are telling us that when $85 billion new dollars have to go somewhere, a whole bunch of them go into stocks, driving up prices. The whole supply-and-demand thingy.

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The stock market is telling us that these stocks are worth more in Obama/Bernanke inflated dollars than what they are currently valued. When you print all this money, it has to go somewhere, you can’t put in the bank and draw .75% interest and keep up.

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Politico

I didn’t miss the election. I noted that a great deal of folks, who had differences with and were not pleased with Romney, who previously voted for other candidates as diverse as Ron Paul, John McCain, and Michelle Bachman, quickly united to oppose Barry and to oppose his fundamental changes to America. They voluntarily went to the polls to vote against the Obamanation. Not enough, for sure, but those 49% were united in their opposition.

The GOP did not have to provide buses, send out the union thugs, use peer pressure to intimidate, invade peoples privacy to identify the targeted pro dem voters, and scare these folks into supporting their candidate. Obama won because he was able to turn out the vote. Extra time for early voting has been used brilliantly by the Dems, to identify, encourage, intimidate, and verify that the voters they have selected have done their duty.

The GOP has got to do more to encourage reluctant conservatives to get to the polls, we don’t need to get into the peer pressure intimidation, used by the Dems, as it will not work on Conservatives, but too many conservatives are sitting it out, waiting on the perfect candidate.

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This should scare the bejesus out of any Freedom loving American. So, I guess it is OK for the President to state that his only agenda is to make the House GOP leadership a one term proposition, in his second term.

Obama has committed to raising money for fellow Democrats, agreed to help recruit viable candidates, and launched a political nonprofit group dedicated to furthering his agenda and that of his congressional allies. The goal is to flip the Republican-held House back to Democratic control, allowing Obama to push forward with a progressive agenda on gun control, immigration, climate change and the economy during his final two years in office, according to congressional Democrats, strategists and others familiar with Obama’s thinking.

“The president understands that to get anything done, he needs a Democratic majority in the House of Representatives,” said Rep. Steve Israel (N.Y.), chairman of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee. “To have a legacy in 2016, he will need a House majority in 2014, and

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/stymied-by-a-gop-house-obama-looks-ahead-to-2014-to-cement-his-legacy/2013/03/02

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For the Libs who constantly whine about returning the tax rates to the Clinton years, when all was right with the world, looks like you over shot your goal by a good margin. And, we are so much better off for it, right?

For 2013, families with incomes in the top 20 percent of the nation will pay an average of 27.2 percent of their income in federal taxes, according to projections by the Tax Policy Center, a research organization based in Washington. The top 1 percent of households, those with incomes averaging $1.4 million, will pay an average of 35.5 percent.

Those tax rates, which include income, payroll, corporate and estate taxes, are among the highest since 1979.

The average family in the bottom 20 percent of households won’t pay any federal taxes. Instead, many families in this group will get payments from the federal government by claiming more in credits than they owe in taxes, including payroll taxes. That will give them a negative tax rate. [...]

The middle 20 percent of U.S. households — those making an average of $46,600 — will pay an average of 13.8 percent of their income in federal taxes for this year, according to the Tax Policy Center. Over the past three decades, the average federal tax rate for this group has been about 16 percent.

- See more at: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2013/03/03/ap-shocker-tax-bills-rich-families-approach-30-year-high#sthash.Ih5TvqyJ.dpuf

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Barry – 8:49 “he did his job”

Oh, he did his job all right.

His job, as he saw it, was to get us into two completely useless wars to fullfill Biblical prophecy, finance them with credit cards, and leave office after saddling us with the worst financial depression since the Great Depression.

Obama is a regular Abraham Lincoln compared to your Bush idol.

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*tough

Keep sending AJC emails and doing a good job, Kyle might move you up to a cap gun….

Toodles little dude

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Abraham Lincoln would slap obozo right across his filthy mouth.

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Abe Lincoln isn’t fit to shine Obama’s shoes. Abe broke every single tenet of our constitution and turned this country into a gulag just so he could save the union. What a total tyrannical monkey that Abe Lincoln was. And who told Lincoln he could write? Why, if I had been around in 1865, he woulda got the pie in the face in front of everyone. A cream pie. (and his idiot wife, too).

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Well it’s crying time again I know your losing.Aesop et’al.It’s over you lost.Go see a shrink.Get it off your mind.Go to the dog park.Go down by the river sit on the bench.Just don’t jump.Go to church,pray for self and Obama.

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I don’t care how impressed you are with your pimp daddy, bluecoat. I’m actually surprised that you came up for air this long.

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The repetitive leg humper is back at the local library, I see. . . .

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Our President is going for the house in 14 to leave a dem majority.

Proceed crybaby.

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Of course, he’ll fail at that as well due to gerrymandered districts.

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Why, that’s ridiculous, Indigo. I run around yelping, “Moe, Larry, the cheese!”

Which brings up the subject of the greatest comedian of the last two thousand years, Curly. It is the duty of every male american to watch the stooge marathons when they appear. Even if you have to work, you must record. It’s like giving something up for lent. You have to. or else you’ll lose touch with everything that america wont stand for. And then there is the little matter of the pies that go unthrown with each passing hour. I can only hold out for so long, pal. Miss the marathons at your own risk.

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bluecoat – Thanks for your concern but I am comfortable in the knowledge that, not only will obozo be gone soon enough, he will be taking the dummycrat party with him.

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I believe history will remember Obama as “Shrewd”

I read ^^^ that as “screwed”.

When it comes to dealing with foreign leaders (Ahmadinejad, Putin, Kim Jong Un)….shrewd is good. When it comes to domestic issues, shrewd would indicate he’s more concerned about party politics than he is the American people and their future.

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What are posters who keep repeating the same erroneous information when they’ve been proven wrong?

We call people like Politico liars.

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In my heart thought I would win until I saw Florida.You need use you head,not your heart.

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Don’t blame Romney for the exploding parasite population.

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From The Huffington Post

Taxes On The Rich Near 30-Year High: Tax Policy Center

WASHINGTON — The poor rich.

With Washington gridlocked again over whether to raise their taxes, it turns out wealthy families already are paying some of their biggest federal tax bills in decades even as the rest of the population continues to pay at historically low rates.

President Barack Obama and Democratic leaders in Congress say the wealthy must pay their fair share if the federal government is ever going to fix its finances and reduce the budget deficit to a manageable level.

A new analysis, however, shows that average tax bills for high-income families rarely have been higher since the Congressional Budget Office began tracking the data in 1979. Middle- and low-income families aren’t paying as much as they used to.

For 2013, families with incomes in the top 20 percent of the nation will pay an average of 27.2 percent of their income in federal taxes, according to projections by the Tax Policy Center, a research organization based in Washington. The top 1 percent of households, those with incomes averaging $1.4 million, will pay an average of 35.5 percent.

Those tax rates, which include income, payroll, corporate and estate taxes, are among the highest since 1979.

The average family in the bottom 20 percent of households won’t pay any federal taxes. Instead, many families in this group will get payments from the federal government by claiming more in credits than they owe in taxes, including payroll taxes. That will give them a negative tax rate.

“My sense is that high-income people feel abused by being targeted always for more taxes,” Roberton Williams, a fellow at the Tax Policy Center, said. “You can understand why they feel that way.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/03/taxes-on-the-rich_n_2801206.html?utm_hp_ref=business

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“[Obozo] and Democrat leaders in Congress say the wealthy must pay their fair share if the federal government is ever going to fix its finances and reduce the budget deficit to a manageable level.

A new analysis, however, shows that…middle- and low-income families aren’t paying as much as they used to.”
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Hmm…so the middle and low income folks aren’t paying their fair share.

Time to eat your peas and pay your bills, Democrats.

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Donald Trump’s new season debuts tonight. This is must see tv, especially after his PR disaster during the campaign about donating five million to chicago disadvantaged kids if only Obama would give in to his Dr Evil style demand. Wow. I still can’t believe Trump didn’t fire everyone who failed to stop him from making that video. He’s the new poster child that defines “delusional”.

Watch trump’s braggadocio tonight, you know, the way he puffs out his chest when he describes the sponsor, as being the “largest company in the world” blah blah. (what a dope, honestly). Now, with this new insight tonight, tell me you don’t find him pathetic. (five bucks sez you’ll throw up).

It’s an irresistible train wreck, and THAT’s why we watch. He’s the new Nascar. But does anyone respect him as a man anymore? I dont think so.

Donald Trump: the Punked Skunk of Bunk.

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I thought the government had switched to EBT, bluecoat.

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Okay, movie reviews: Sinister is surprisingly entertaining. Redbox for a buck? do it. It’s worth a buck. Argo? It’s worth a buck, but you wont be wowed. Too obvious about which is reality and which is hollywood, I(hint: the ending). Writers don’t know how to end movies. They really dont. It’s incredible. Seven Psychopaths? Fun, but ending blows. Hope Springs? Please. Streep needs a strap (on). totally miscast no chemistry and there’s a surprise cameo that stinks so bad it totally ruins what little the movie couldn’t do. you’ll see. “End of Watch” . greatness for half to three quarters of the movie then it stinks so bad you’ll be angry. The master? See it. you decide, but ouch, it crosses the line and I’m still looking for a story there……Deadfall…pure fun, check brain at door, but see it…..small apartments? good enough. fun. new approach to humor and i liked it…….taken 2? drink a six pack and watch it, and have a good time, but…….looper? better than average, but…….the perks of being a wallflower: comes very close to a great movie, but fails. yet, it’s fun to watch the acting..kill for me? yes, but …….okay….okay…..eh….doesn’t stink…..alex cross? good until the ending and then you’ll be po’d. hit and run? okay….doesn’t stink too badly…..the Liability? must see.

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http://gma.yahoo.com/video/gma-911-dispatcher-pleads-nurse-080000658.html

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And we call whiners like Tiberius who cry about bloggers who insult and call names but are themselves guilty of name calling and insults… Little hypocrites and self appointed deputy fifes

Next

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In its latest Budget and Economic Update, the CBO forecasts that federal revenue will top $2.7 trillion in 2013, slightly higher than the $2.6 trillion the government collected in 2007, when the last recession officially began. –

Heh, the libs are still dreaming about being as successful as Bushie was but, ain’t gonna happen.

Can you say “crash?”

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Do-nothing Obozo had to walk back his Chicken Little act due to the reaility that the miniscule sequester cuts will barely be noticed. The sad thing is that the sequester doesn’t do anything to ensure that the Democrat moocher base pays their fair share in the form of reduced parasite maintenance spending.

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Watching the replay of the interview with Ann & Mitt Romney. Sure would have been nice to have a couple of Real Americans in Our White House instead of the trash that’s infested it.

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