Advice on self-protection in a gun-controlled America, courtesy of Crazy Uncle Joe
Only Joe Biden could promote gun control in a way that encourages people to break the law and is more likely to injure innocent people than potential threats.
First, here’s what Biden said, during a Facebook chat Tuesday, he had advised his wife to do:
“I said, ‘Jill, if there’s ever a problem, just walk out on the balcony here, walk out and put that double-barrel shotgun and fire two blasts outside the house.’ … You don’t need an AR-15 — it’s harder to aim, it’s harder to use, and in fact you don’t need 30 rounds to protect yourself. Buy a shotgun! Buy a shotgun!”
Now, in a secluded, mostly wooded area, like the one where Biden said he and his wife live in Delaware, that might not be the worst advice. Not the best, either, but not the worst. But not all Americans live like that. In fact, in his state’s largest city, his advice could land someone in jail. From U.S. News and World Report:
A sergeant with the Wilmington, Del., police department explained to U.S. News that city residents are not allowed to fire guns on their property.
The sergeant, who preferred not to be identified, said that Wilmington residents are also not allowed to shoot trespassers. “On your property you can’t just shoot someone,” he said. “You have to really feel that your life is being threatened.”
In fact, Biden’s advice could land his wife in jail in Delaware:
Defense attorney John Garey — a former Delaware deputy attorney general — agreed, and added that several criminal charges might result if Jill Biden took her husband’s advice.
“In Delaware you have to be in fear of your life to use deadly force,” Garey said. “There’s nothing based on his scenario alone” indicating a reason to fear imminent death, he noted.
There’s more at the link, including visual evidence to suggest the Bidens’ home isn’t as secluded as the vice president let on.
On one hand, the illegality of what Biden suggested has more to do with what one does with any weapon — it’s a lot closer to the controversy at the heart of the Trayvon Martin shooting, though not quite the same — rather than the specific kind of weapon one uses.
On the other hand, it’s rather ironic that Biden’s explanation for how you can still protect yourself in a world without “assault weapons” is that you could always … break another law.
– By Kyle Wingfield
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Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
February 21st, 2013
3:28 pm
The sad part was his laughing at the question of protecting oneself before uttering his nonsense.
Nice to see him treating the filthy rabble with the disdain we knew he held us in.
bman.
February 21st, 2013
3:31 pm
So I shouldn’t bother with building a balcony as an add-on?
Hillbilly D
February 21st, 2013
3:32 pm
if there’s ever a problem, just walk out on the balcony here, walk out and put that double-barrel shotgun and fire two blasts outside the house.
Are those two “blasts” going to be aimed or are we just firing at random?
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
February 21st, 2013
3:37 pm
As with everything Biden says, Hillbilly D, the usual sequence is “Ready, fire, aim”!
Kyle Wingfield
February 21st, 2013
3:38 pm
Hillbilly: I assumed he meant two shots into the air, but I may be giving him too much credit.
Don't Tread
February 21st, 2013
3:42 pm
“You don’t need an AR-15 – it’s harder to aim, it’s harder to use, and in fact you don’t need 30 rounds to protect yourself.”
Joe seems to think he can tell others what they “don’t need”. (Seems to be a common theme among the liberals here too.) News flash Joe – an AR-15 aims exactly the same way and is no more difficult to use than a shotgun. I wonder if Jill will still be on her feet after letting loose with both barrels.
And you don’t have the right to tell me what I need and don’t need.
Don't Tread
February 21st, 2013
3:43 pm
The problem with firing shots in the air is (a) they land somewhere, probably somewhere you don’t want them to, and (b) it’s a waste of ammunition.
Drudge
February 21st, 2013
3:43 pm
Emptying both barrels indiscriminately from a balcony is way less dangerous than 12 rounds in a magazine in my safe, right?
Steve Dunbar
February 21st, 2013
3:43 pm
Is this really the best you can come up for a column?
Chris
February 21st, 2013
3:44 pm
Two 12 gauge shells will project 32 projectiles, larger than .223 rounds. An AR-15 only holds a maximum of 30 projectiles, all of which can be aimed precisely and shot one at a time. But hey, Elmer Fudd doesn’t look neawwy as scawwy as GI Joe.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
February 21st, 2013
3:47 pm
Kyle, giving Biden any credit at all is giving him too much credit.
Liberal Pariah
February 21st, 2013
3:49 pm
If Biden’s wife actually knew how to fire a gun, would he still be around? Just askin’….
Jefferson
February 21st, 2013
3:49 pm
An IRS tax audit is funny to some.
1961_Xer
February 21st, 2013
3:53 pm
There is an anti-gun, mostly Democrat, war on women.
Those looking to ban guns don’t want women to be able to protect themselves. Threat of rape is not enough… a woman has to be in fear for her life. Even then, they would prefer the single woman to taser or pepper spray the group of 250lb men about to gang rape her rather than shoot them. How considerate of them. Or, the Democrats would offer that the 105lb woman should buddy up with another 105lb woman, so that both of them get assaulted at the same time (just ask students at Georgia Tech how the buddy system works against a perp with a gun).
Asking a Democrat about how to protect yourself is like asking a moron to do your taxes.
Liberal Pariah
February 21st, 2013
3:55 pm
Or asking Obama to actually govern and lead.
Aesop's Fables and other Lib Economic Theories
February 21st, 2013
4:00 pm
Not to mention that your gun will then be empty and most hardened criminals will be like, wow, I picked the home of a dummycrat and sure enough, he just disarmed hisself.
Can I get a duh?
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
February 21st, 2013
4:00 pm
And let’s not forget liberal Bob Beckel on Fox with his comments about defending yourself against rape on campus:
“During a discussion over whether concealed weapons could help prevent sexual assault on campuses, Beckel asked, “When was the last time you heard about a rape on campus?”
“What are you talking about? It’s rampant,” co-host Eric Bolling said.
“What are you going to take a gun out and shoot your date?” Beckel responded.”
http://www.upi.com/blog/2013/02/21/Fox-News-co-host-Bob-Beckel-apologizes-for-rape-remark/9451361455711/
Apparently he missed the 2010 Obama Justice Department study which showed that 25% of women on campus will either be victims of rape or attempted rape before graduation.
1961_Xer
February 21st, 2013
4:03 pm
p.s. Joe broke several firearm safety rules with that little speech.
First, it is illegal in most jurisdictions to simply shoot into the air.
Second, the person in the woods is not yet a threat, and it would be illegal to shoot AT him.
Third, it is not appropriate the shoot to “scare” someone. If you are going to pull the trigger, you need to shoot to kill.
Fourth, it is not appropriate to pull the trigger until the target is in the sights. This is true whether shooting at people or paper targets.
In a real situation, you will have a pump or semi auto shotgun that holds at least 5 rounds. You will hold your fire until the folks outside present an imminent danger. And if/when you shoot, you will shoot to kill… none of this “fire in the air” bullshiite.
Our vice president is an idiot.
Aesop's Fables and other Lib Economic Theories
February 21st, 2013
4:05 pm
I know that biden has been secluded in the company of his fellow dimwits like obozo and nasty pelosi, and I can kinda understand where their airhead faulty logic was sorta headed, what you want to do is, in a quite house middle of the night type situation, pull back the action of your Colt AR-15 Match Target HBAR .223 Remington and let it slam loudly forward and then watch your uninvited company be Gone With the Wind.
md
February 21st, 2013
4:06 pm
“Is this really the best you can come up for a column?”
I recall lot’s of columns on how to spell potato…….this is our VP, a guy we are supposed to look up to for leadership. The guy that is one step away from the WH.
To add to the not so logical comment from Joe, if it is dark and one is standing in the light of the doorway, a bad guy standing in the darkness can see much better than a person looking into the darkness……shooting (presumably) into the air does nothing but allow the bad guy to see that one has no clue what they are doing……
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
February 21st, 2013
4:07 pm
Not to mention that depending on the type of load in that shotgun, you’re going to make a much bigger mess than that AR-15 will make if you happen to hit your target.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
February 21st, 2013
4:10 pm
Good point, md.
According to Joe, first make yourself an easier target, THEN disarm yourself in front of your assailant.
td
February 21st, 2013
4:10 pm
Biden is indeed an idiot.
Class of '98
February 21st, 2013
4:10 pm
This doofus is, at any given time, one heartbeat away from the Presidency of the United States.
That’s scary.
indigo
February 21st, 2013
4:12 pm
Kyle, I think he meant to fire two shotgun blasts into the air to scare off the intruder.
If I did this sucessfully, and the cops came, I would say “would you rather I have waited until the bad guy got into the house”?
MarkV
February 21st, 2013
4:12 pm
Kyle is inserting his own interpretation into Biden words to achieve his purpose, without any foundation for it.
What does he think Biden meant by “if there’s ever a problem?” A cat turning over a can of milk?
I would like to see a court that would send Dr. Biden to jail for discharging a gun outside the house if she is afraid of her life when a burglar is breaking into the house.
Quite reasonably, Joe Biden wants to save his wife from a confrontation with an intruder, which could end up his wife killing someone, or being killed in the confrontation. His advice is quite reasonable, because it would do two things – alert the neighborhood, and put the intruded on notice that there is a gun in the house, both accomplished much more quickly than calling 911, and most likely quite safely.
Aesop's Fables and other Lib Economic Theories
February 21st, 2013
4:13 pm
Double barreled shotguns are excellent choices when you cannot see the perp but you can hear him rattling the knob of the door he’s on the other side of.
Of course the coroner will have copious amounts of wood to remove from the deceased before he could embalm him but what eva.
Aesop's Fables and other Lib Economic Theories
February 21st, 2013
4:18 pm
Well, at least now the criminals know there is 47% chance that your intended victim will shoot his load into the sky instead of at you.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
February 21st, 2013
4:19 pm
“Kyle is inserting his own interpretation into Biden words to achieve his purpose, without any foundation for it.”
No, not really. It’s pretty straightforward, even in your world of wordsmithing, MarkV.
“What does he think Biden meant by “if there’s ever a problem?” A cat turning over a can of milk?”
With Biden, anything is possible. Starting with the ridiculous and progressing on from there.
“I would like to see a court that would send Dr. Biden to jail for discharging a gun outside the house if she is afraid of her life when a burglar is breaking into the house.”
Well, if she discharges the gun off the balcony, it would clearly be BEFORE anyone got into the house, so there would be no proof that there was a burglary in progress, now would there?
Hillbilly D
February 21st, 2013
4:20 pm
Hillbilly: I assumed he meant two shots into the air, but I may be giving him too much credit.
That isn’t the brightest of tactics, especially in close quarters. What goes up, must come down.
md
February 21st, 2013
4:25 pm
“and put the intruded on notice that there is a gun in the house”
Unless the intruder is standing in front of that gun, the only thing that was accomplished was that the intruder now knows the gun is empty………
Hillbilly D
February 21st, 2013
4:25 pm
Double barreled shotguns are excellent choices when you cannot see the perp but you can hear him rattling the knob of the door he’s on the other side of.
That I’d have to disagree with. Never shoot through a door, as it violates the first rule of shooting, identify your target before you shoot. You never shoot unless you’re sure what you are shooting at, be it a deer, a person, or a tin can.
Jefferson
February 21st, 2013
4:25 pm
It would take an idiot to call the VP of the US an idiot, or a know-it-all. What are ya’ll ?
Aesop's Fables and other Lib Economic Theories
February 21st, 2013
4:30 pm
Not one of the 86 million idiots that elected him?
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right
February 21st, 2013
4:33 pm
Jefferson, Google – Quayle, Dan.
I suspect your poutrage wasn’t as high back then.
Hillbilly D
February 21st, 2013
4:33 pm
Two 12 gauge shells will project 32 projectiles,
That varies according to type of shot, 00 buckshot it would be 18 pellets, birdshot would be many more, smaller pellets. If I was in a self-defense situation, I wouldn’t want to be using anything on the birdshot end of the range.
Kyle Wingfield
February 21st, 2013
4:34 pm
indigo and Aesop: If y’all insist on talking evolution, then until/unless I post something about it, keep it on the thread where that conversation started.
Steve
February 21st, 2013
4:37 pm
In his meandering way, Biden highlighted the idea of reasonable restrictions—something also backed by that notorious liberal Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia in the Heller decision, which overturned Washington, D.C.’s functional ban on handguns.
“Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose,” Scalia wrote. “For example, concealed weapons prohibitions have been upheld under the Amendment or state analogues. The Court’s opinion should not be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms.”
In less elegantly reasoned terms, Biden’s love for shotguns—and his argument for their practical benefits over AR-15s—stakes out the same essentially centrist ground. There is such a thing as reasonable restrictions. We can have a considered policy debate in a democracy that’s consistent with respect for the Second Amendment, driven by common sense rather than ideology. And that’s where die-hard opponents like the National Rifle Association are increasingly at a loss.
So despite all the disses, here’s to Joe Biden, who keeps the Obama White House grounded.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/02/21/joe-biden-s-shotgun-approach-to-politics-good-for-obama-administration.html
md
February 21st, 2013
4:38 pm
But Kyle, don’t you know that politicians now “evolve”. It’s the new excuse for not keeping campaign promises……a whole new chapter in the political arena.
MarkV
February 21st, 2013
4:38 pm
Tiberius @ 4:19 pm
Can Tiberius ever write something that would make at least a little bit of sense?
Tiberius: “Well, if she discharges the gun off the balcony, it would clearly be BEFORE anyone got into the house, so there would be no proof that there was a burglary in progress, now would there?”
Is it insanity, or some other kind of mental problem? Discharging a gun of the balcony is evidence that it was done BEFORE anyone got in the house? Only in Tiberius world.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right
February 21st, 2013
4:39 pm
Bless you, Kyle!
Steve
February 21st, 2013
4:40 pm
I do agree that Joe’s approach would not work in an urban area, but there are many areas where you could legally shoot warning shots with a shotgun on your property, and it would certainly scare off most intruders and alert your neighbors.
md
February 21st, 2013
4:43 pm
“There is such a thing as reasonable restrictions.”
Have you read the definitions in the last gun ban? They are illogical…..
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right
February 21st, 2013
4:43 pm
Following MarkV ’s illogic, you hear an intruder at your front door, so go to your back balcony to scare them off.
Riiiiiiight. . . .
Aesop's Fables and other Lib Economic Theories
February 21st, 2013
4:44 pm
The only reason obozo picked biden is because he didn’t want someone smarter than him in the office and kim kardishian was busy doing otha things.
tibs – Does this comment meet your approval?
bookman parrot
February 21st, 2013
4:48 pm
To Steve
February 21st, 2013
4:37 pm
I thought the deputy dipstick in chief was bad, but you are saying jr. deputy dipstick in the grounding factor… OMG all jr. is … is a smart mouth jerk
Hillbilly D
February 21st, 2013
4:49 pm
Hopefully, I’ll never be in that situation but where I live, I’m 1000 feet from a road, 300 yards from my nearest neighbor and surrounded by woods. Nobody can even see my house and if I get in trouble, the cavalry ain’t coming. And where I live, nobody pays any attention to a gunshot or two, you hear them all the time.
So like I said, hope it never happens but if it does, I know it’s up to me to handle things.
Michael H. Smith
February 21st, 2013
4:50 pm
The non-sense of socialist liberals never ceases. Let these clueless fascist anti-liberty clowns continue to blather on. People who buy AR 15s’ intend to fend off more then an intruder.
MarkV
February 21st, 2013
4:58 pm
Tiberius @ 4:43 pm
“Following MarkV ’s illogic, you hear an intruder at your front door, so go to your back balcony to scare them off.”
Not in Tiberius’ world of delusion.
ATLNative
February 21st, 2013
5:03 pm
Biden needs to give up those ‘ludes!
JDW
February 21st, 2013
5:12 pm
O’ dear the gun loonies and the “self protection” fantasies abound. Jezzzz Kyle did you have to feed them red meat.
How about some cold reality from Harvard…
“We analyzed data for 50 states over 19 years to investigate the relationship between gun prevalence and accidental gun deaths across different age groups. For every age group, where there are more guns there are more accidental deaths. The mortality rate was 7 times higher in the four states with the most guns compared to the four states with the fewest guns.”
“Most purported self-defense gun uses are gun uses in escalating arguments and are both socially undesirable and illegal ”
“Firearms are used far more often to intimidate than in self-defense. ”
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/gun-threats-and-self-defense-gun-use-2/
Do blather on
Michael H. Smith
February 21st, 2013
5:12 pm
Here’s one for you to decide Kyle. A wacky Colorado law maker says women need rape whistles not guns.
Is crazy Shotgun Joe more over the edge than Rape Whistle Joe?
For real folks, you can’t make this stuff up.
College women need rape whistles, not guns says Colorado lawmaker
DALLAS, February 20th, 2013 – While arguing for the disarming of Colorado college students, Democratic lawmaker Joe Salazar claimed women should rely on rape whistles, not firearms for self-defense against sexual attackers or violent predators.
“It’s why we have call boxes, it’s why we have safe zones, it’s why we have [rape] whistles. Because you just don’t know who you’re gonna be shooting at. And you don’t know, if you feel like you’re gonna be raped, or if you feel like someone’s been following you around, or if you feel like you’re in trouble when you may actually not be, that you pop out that gun and you pop … pop a round at somebody,” Salazar said.
Salazar’s remarks enraged other lawmakers and constituents. A petition demanding his resignation has circulated while others expressed their anger on his Facebook page.
Read more: http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/citizen-warrior/2013/feb/20/college-women-need-rape-whistles-not-guns-says-col/#ixzz2LZf2N23u
Michael H. Smith
February 21st, 2013
5:14 pm
Go blow your rape whistle, brucie!
Aquagirl
February 21st, 2013
5:21 pm
People who buy AR 15s’ intend to fend off more then an intruder.
OK…what are they intending to fend off? Zombie hordes?
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
February 21st, 2013
5:22 pm
“For every age group, where there are more guns there are more accidental deaths.”
And where there are more pools, there are more accidental drownings.
The problem is never the gun, JDW.
Focus on the problem.
Michael H. Smith
February 21st, 2013
5:22 pm
Bet the anit-liberty gun fascist have intimidating data on those safe zones and call boxes too!
Boooowhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaa
barking frog
February 21st, 2013
5:22 pm
I believe Joe Biden has done exactly as he says. I am not
sure Dr. Jill Biden would follow his advice and I hope no one
else does without advice from local law enforcement. That
being said I would advise that any forced entry attempt should
be met with gunfire before the intruder is in your space, if
possible. I am also assuming the police have already been
alerted. For a woman who does not regularly handle guns
I would suggest a revolver for self defense rather than a
shotgun.
Michael H. Smith
February 21st, 2013
5:24 pm
OK…what are they intending to fend off? Zombie hordes?
No lame kooks like you and your 70 years of Republican control in Georgia!
Aesop's Fables and other Lib Economic Theories
February 21st, 2013
5:25 pm
jdw – I’ve used a gun twice in self defense, never having to fire it, and didn’t report either time to harvard.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
February 21st, 2013
5:25 pm
I wonder which erroneous position Aquagirl is going to create out of thin air for someone on THIS thread?
Michael H. Smith
February 21st, 2013
5:26 pm
I’ve been advised by my a member of my local city law enforcement to make sure the intruder is inside my house before I take any actions, frog.
Jefferson
February 21st, 2013
5:31 pm
To act childish, t would make one think of a child. V P Quayle was never called anything but his name by me, its a self respect deal.
barking frog
February 21st, 2013
5:31 pm
Michael H. Smith
I’ve been advised by my a member of my local city law enforcement to make sure the intruder is inside my house before I take any actions, frog.
…………………………………………………………………………………
then I would suggest that you ask him to also be your pallbearer.
Michael H. Smith
February 21st, 2013
5:37 pm
Yeah sure j, we should believe you because you say so under a blog pseudonym. As many off colored disrespectful names I’ve seen coming from your political side directed at Bush I don’t believe any claims by a liberal in regards to respect of any kind.
And this bunk about acting childish… coming from the left?
yeah, rightttt!
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
February 21st, 2013
5:39 pm
Statistically speaking you are much safer without a gun at all.
Once you introduce a single gun into the home the odds of gun violence go way way up.
Michael H. Smith
February 21st, 2013
5:41 pm
then I would suggest that you ask him to also be your pallbearer.
Um… frog, the lady in Loganville that shot the intruder who hunted her down who was hiding inside her house, do remember who her pallbearer where? hmmm.
Aesop's Fables and other Lib Economic Theories
February 21st, 2013
5:41 pm
cheesy – We already know about the liberals in Chicago, but thanks for the update.
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
February 21st, 2013
5:42 pm
If guns made you safe America would be the safest place in the world.
The dont. They just make people feel safe but its fools gold.
Countries with stricter gun laws have a lot less gun violence
Its the guns stupid.
Michael H. Smith
February 21st, 2013
5:42 pm
Odds can’t be too high considering the number guns owners who have beaten them.
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
February 21st, 2013
5:43 pm
cheesy – We already know about the liberals in Chicago, but thanks for the update.
Your welcome.
indigo
February 21st, 2013
5:43 pm
Kyle – 4:34
This is the first time I’ve ever known you to insist we keep on topic. Looks like evolution and proving creationism really hit a nerve with you.
I’m guessing that you, like Aesop, want to ignore this and just hope it will just go away.
It won’t.
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
February 21st, 2013
5:46 pm
Now the NRA is against Universal Background Checks.
They have no concern for public safety at all.
Do you know what criminals do when they want a gun ?
They go to gun shows because they know nobody is looking.
That is big profits for the gun makers. And the NRA will protect that at all costs.
Shameful. They have a lot of blood on their hands.
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
February 21st, 2013
5:47 pm
This is the first time I’ve ever known you to insist we keep on topic. Looks like evolution and proving creationism really hit a nerve with you.
Me 2. I have a feeling without looking his side was getting creamed in the argument.
This is a guy who not only voted for Newt Gingrich but freely admitted it.
Michael H. Smith
February 21st, 2013
5:48 pm
Try Mexico that has stricter gun laws than we do. As well, Mexico has only one gun store.
Want to talk about stupid stricter gun control statements?
Rafe Hollister preparing for an Obamanist America
February 21st, 2013
5:49 pm
Never surprised at anything that erupts from the mouth of crazy uncle Joe. His advice is stupid as usual, intruder sees you on balcony with a double barrel shotgun, you fire two shells into the air, intruder now knows you are disarmed.
His old easier to aim claim maybe be true, but most inexperienced women will be incapacitated after firing one round from a 12 gauge db shotgun because of the recoil. An AR-15 has much less recoil and if you miss you have many more chances.
Dems should just learn not to talk when they don’t know what they are talking about, but I guess we can’t expect total silence.
Firearm experts that have reviewed the Feinstein bill said that it was obviously written by people, who had little knowledge of firearms and how they work. You would think with all the money floating around in DC, they could have hired some firearm experts, to help write the bill.
Rafe Hollister preparing for an Obamanist America
February 21st, 2013
5:52 pm
They go to gun shows because they know nobody is looking.
Finn/Cheesy pulled that out of his nether regions.
barking frog
February 21st, 2013
5:54 pm
Michael H. Smith
the lady in Loganville was lucky..had the intruder
been armed he might have done a Pistorius…
Rafe Hollister preparing for an Obamanist America
February 21st, 2013
5:57 pm
There are very lax gun laws in Utah. Chicago has almost the same size population as Utah. Chicago has very strict gun laws.
Chicago has about 8X the gun violence that Utah has.
Amount of guns available to the general public has nothing to do with the rate of gun violence.
Aesop's Fables and other Lib Economic Theories
February 21st, 2013
5:57 pm
Every gun I bought at a show had a background check done on it, but what do facts matter? This cripple can’t even distinguish gun shows from private sales. But I suppose neither can rachel maddow…
Kyle Wingfield
February 21st, 2013
5:57 pm
indigo @ 5:43: First, it’s not the first time I’ve insisted people stay on topic. Second, there were complaints from other commenters (not Aesop) about your thread-jacking.
Sorry, but I haven’t given your comments on the topic enough attention for you to have hit a nerve. What’ll hit a nerve is if you and Aesop don’t drop it.
Michael H. Smith
February 21st, 2013
5:57 pm
Yeah Rafe and it wasn’t any better argument than the stupid stricter gun laws statement that isn’t true.
Close all the gun shows and criminals will continue to steal guns, buy them in parking lots out the trunks of cars etc. etc. Oh, almost forgot to add… because no one is looking.
Goodnight all.
barking frog
February 21st, 2013
5:58 pm
Cheesy grits
Most criminals would buy a gun off the street, they
are cheaper there.
Rafe Hollister preparing for an Obamanist America
February 21st, 2013
5:59 pm
Once you introduce a single gun into the home the odds of gun violence go way way up.
Probably true for Obama voters!
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
February 21st, 2013
6:04 pm
Amount of guns available to the general public has nothing to do with the rate of gun violence.
!00 percent incorrect.
There is almost a direct correlation between the amount of guns in a society and the level of gun violence in a society.
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
February 21st, 2013
6:06 pm
Once you introduce a single gun into the home the odds of gun violence go way way up.
Probably true for Obama voters!
No its true for everyone. A bullet doesn’t care what your name is or what political party you prefer.
md
February 21st, 2013
6:07 pm
“I’ve been advised by my a member of my local city law enforcement to make sure the intruder is inside my house before I take any actions, frog.”
I’ve been advised that if I shoot a bad guy outside my home I need to drag his butt inside and then call the cops…….
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
February 21st, 2013
6:07 pm
Cheesy grits
Most criminals would buy a gun off the street, they
are cheaper there.
I’m sure some do. But some probably dont risk it and just go to a gun show and stock up.
md
February 21st, 2013
6:08 pm
Turning over ones guns to stop criminals from being criminals is like having oneself neutered because the neighbor has too many kids……
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
February 21st, 2013
6:10 pm
“There’s no reason why on the street today a citizen should be carrying loaded weapons,”
- Ronald Reagan
Rafe Hollister preparing for an Obamanist America
February 21st, 2013
6:10 pm
It is culture, Finn/Cheesy: No matter how many guns you give Mormons they rarely shoot each other. No matter how few guns you make available for gang bangers, they still find a way to shoot one another frequently.
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
February 21st, 2013
6:10 pm
I’ve been advised that if I shoot a bad guy outside my home I need to drag his butt inside and then call the cops…….
What do you do when he shoots you first ?
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
February 21st, 2013
6:11 pm
Turning over ones guns to stop criminals from being criminals is like having oneself neutered because the neighbor has too many kids……
Thinking that more guns solves the problem of gun violence is like saying more cancer will cure cancer.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right
February 21st, 2013
6:13 pm
I wonder how many times Cheesy is going to repeat his opinion without providing a single credible link to back it up?
Rafe Hollister preparing for an Obamanist America
February 21st, 2013
6:13 pm
“There’s no reason why on the street today a citizen should be carrying loaded weapons,”
Yep, John Hinckley obviously disagreed. Reagan shoulda been packing, instead of relying on those Secret Service folk that let him down, hah! Hinckley might be toes up, instead of playing golf and video games.
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
February 21st, 2013
6:16 pm
wonder how many times Cheesy is going to repeat his opinion without providing a single credible link to back it up?
Those persons with guns in the home were at greater risk than those without guns in the home of dying from a homicide in the home (adjusted odds ratio = 1.9, 95% confidence interval: 1.1, 3.4). They were also at greater risk of dying from a firearm homicide,
http://aje.oxfordjournals.org/content/160/10/929.full
When you bring a gun into your home you are now less safe. Not safer
Enjoy
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
February 21st, 2013
6:17 pm
This is a case-control study that looks at the relationship between keeping a gun in the home and risk of homicide. A strong and independent association between gun-ownership in homes and an increased risk of homicide was found. The majority of homicide victims were killed by a family member or someone known to them.
It was found that people who keep guns in homes are almost 3 times more likely to be murdered.
Here is more.
Enjoy.
http://www.bradycampaign.org/studies/view/104/
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right
February 21st, 2013
6:17 pm
Cheesy can’t even make a comparative argument.
The issue of cancer is the cancer.
The issue of gun violence is the violence.
Not the gun.
Jerry Eads
February 21st, 2013
6:17 pm
You folks who are well-versed in weaponry (hardly anyone including most gun owners but I hope a few here) know full well the reason you use a shotgun in home defense is because those pellets are less likely to penetrate walls (not to mention most people are lousy shots under stress). You DO NOT fire randomly parallel to the ground (or higher) outside. Defensive weaponry is intended for use inside the home. NOT outside in any populated area. That said, one hopes Jill and her husband are smart enough to fire toward the ground and not up into the sky if they must fire warning shots outside. And you trolls and halfwits above know full well you’d have your wife do EXACTLY the same thing if it might mean the difference between life or death. Get your worthless politics out of your posterior orifice and use your heads, assuming that’s possible. And Kyle, take some weapons training.
That Black Guy
February 21st, 2013
6:18 pm
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
February 21st, 2013
5:39 pm
Statistically speaking you are much safer without a gun at all.
Once you introduce a single gun into the home the odds of gun violence go way way up.
______________________________________
Please post a link to that study.
Thank you.
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
February 21st, 2013
6:18 pm
http://www.news-medical.net/news/20100204/Guns-in-homes-can-increase-risk-of-death-and-firearm-related-violence.aspx
And here is more.
Its the guns stupid.
md
February 21st, 2013
6:19 pm
“What do you do when he shoots you first ?”
Well, with a gun I have a 50/50 chance, without a gun I’m at his mercy…….I know which I’d prefer.
That Black Guy
February 21st, 2013
6:19 pm
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
February 21st, 2013
5:42 pm
If guns made you safe America would be the safest place in the world.
The dont. They just make people feel safe but its fools gold.
Countries with stricter gun laws have a lot less gun violence
Its the guns stupid.
______________________
Tell that to Blade Runners girlfriend in S. Africa.
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
February 21st, 2013
6:19 pm
Guns at Home Increase Dangers, Not Safety
Based on a review of the available scientific data, Dr. Lippmann and co-authors conclude that the dangers of having a gun at home far outweigh the safety benefits. Research shows that access to guns greatly increases the risk of death and firearm-related violence. A gun in the home is twelve times more likely to result in the death of a household member or visitor than an intruder.
Still more.
Its the guns stupid.
JDW
February 21st, 2013
6:21 pm
@Tiberius…”Focus on the problem.”
It’s the gun….stupid.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right
February 21st, 2013
6:21 pm
I stated credible, Cheesy.
And the same argument can be made for swimming pools.
Gonna ban them?
Attack the source of the problem – the people wielding the guns – not the guns themselves.
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
February 21st, 2013
6:22 pm
Well, with a gun I have a 50/50 chance, without a gun I’m at his mercy…….I know which I’d prefer.
Nothing I have is worth my life.
Somebody comes at me with a gun at 2 am. They can take whatever they want and just leave.
My life is worth a lot more than a TV. You start a shootout at the OK Corral in your living room its gonna turn out bad most of the time.
But by all means proceed. Gene pool you know.
That Black Guy
February 21st, 2013
6:22 pm
barking frog
February 21st, 2013
5:54 pm
Michael H. Smith
the lady in Loganville was lucky..had the intruder
been armed he might have done a Pistorius…
_____________________________
he was armed. He had a crowbar.
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
February 21st, 2013
6:23 pm
And the same argument can be made for swimming pools.
Gonna ban them?
No. A swimming pool has other purposes besides killing another human being.
A gun doesn’t.
md
February 21st, 2013
6:23 pm
“Thinking that more guns solves the problem of gun violence is like saying more cancer will cure cancer.”
I’ll tell you what, I’ll put a sign on my door that says my guns may be present on my property, and you can put a sign on your door that says your property is a gun free zone and we’ll see which one lasts the longest…….
You are aware that the aurora shooter did a search on which theaters had a no gun policy….right?
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right
February 21st, 2013
6:23 pm
JDW, its the swimming pool, stupid.
Focus on the problem.
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
February 21st, 2013
6:24 pm
I stated credible, Cheesy.
This is why I almost didn’t bother.
It really doesn’t matter how much I show you.
The kool aid has already been drunk
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
February 21st, 2013
6:25 pm
JDW, its the swimming pool, stupid.
Focus on the problem.
The logic of that argument is so bad. I can tell you guys never went to college.
md
February 21st, 2013
6:25 pm
” And you trolls and halfwits above know full well you’d have your wife do EXACTLY the same thing if it might mean the difference between life or death. ”
Wrong…..having my wife open the door and go outside into possible harms way would be the last thing I would tell her. I’d tell her to do the exact same thing that Loganville woman did (if she had a weapon). Lock yourself in a room, call 911, and have your weapon ready if needed.
Only a fool sends their wife outside looking for trouble……
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
February 21st, 2013
6:25 pm
Anyway see ya guys.
Have fun at your next shootout.
Wonder who will win ??????
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right
February 21st, 2013
6:26 pm
“Nothing I have is worth my life”
That’s where we differ, Cheesy. My wife and kids are worth protecting with my life.
I’d hate to be yours . . . .
md
February 21st, 2013
6:28 pm
“Somebody comes at me with a gun at 2 am. They can take whatever they want and just leave.”
You are assuming he just wants your stuff…….the guy in the theater didn’t take any stuff……..
md
February 21st, 2013
6:29 pm
“But by all means proceed. Gene pool you know.”
I believe insults come out of gene pools……
barking frog
February 21st, 2013
6:31 pm
That Black Guy
he was armed. He had a crowbar.
………………………………………
o.k. she was lucky he didn’t have a gun…..
Aquagirl
February 21st, 2013
6:33 pm
It really doesn’t matter how much I show you.
A higher rate of homicide and suicide, and you call that evidence? Those people would kill each other with hammers. Which is why houses with guns have more homicides and suicides. Or something.
That Black Guy
February 21st, 2013
6:33 pm
http://jpfo.org/filegen-a-m/doctors-epidemic.htm
md
February 21st, 2013
6:34 pm
All you folks that say “it’s the guns….period” are in denial.
The 2nd isn’t going anywhere anytime soon, so having no guns is not even an option. So you might want to focus on a solution that takes that into consideration…..
Rafe Hollister preparing for an Obamanist America
February 21st, 2013
6:38 pm
Gun deaths and injuries have dropped sharply in California, even as the number of guns sold in the state has risen, according to new state data.
Dealers sold 600,000 guns in California last year, up from 350,000 in 2002, according to records of sale tallied by the California Attorney General’s office.
During that same period, the number of California hospitalizations due to gun injuries declined from about 4,000 annually to 2,800, a roughly 25 percent drop, according to hospital records collected by the California Department of Public Health.
Firearm-related deaths fell from about 3,200 annually to about 2,800, an 11 percent drop, state health figures show.
http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/california-gun-sales-up-gun-violence-down/
Well, that puts to rest the ole more guns more violence argument.
Just Saying..
February 21st, 2013
6:49 pm
Kyle, my posts don’t seem to make it through. Misadventure, or misbehaving?
Aesop's Fables and other Lib Economic Theories
February 21st, 2013
6:49 pm
liberals like cheesy used to sit around blubbering about the rising prison population even though the crime rate was dropping, but now it appears she’s found another mindless hobby.
md
February 21st, 2013
6:53 pm
“Well, that puts to rest the ole more guns more violence argument.”
Naw….they’ll just poo poo your source or say it’s a misprint or merely ignore it and continue as usual….
Wilbur
February 21st, 2013
6:57 pm
Cheesy,
I read your study. You cant’ really believe that THAT article makes your point, can you?
Maybe you should change your handle to Grits for Brains.
Aquagirl
February 21st, 2013
7:06 pm
that puts to rest the ole more guns more violence argument
Are the voices in your head arguing again? That’s terrible, you really shouldn’t have guns around the house.
JDW
February 21st, 2013
7:09 pm
@Tiberius…”And the same argument can be made for swimming pools”
I notice swimming pool owners don’t run around blathering, all evidence to the contrary, that owning one makes them safer.
Bruno
February 21st, 2013
7:16 pm
MarkV: Is it insanity, or some other kind of mental problem? Discharging a gun of the balcony is evidence that it was done BEFORE anyone got in the house? Only in Tiberius world.
MarkV–Thanks for the comedy this afternoon. Only someone like you would even attempt to defend nut-ball Joe Biden.
Rafe Hollister preparing for an Obamanist America
February 21st, 2013
7:22 pm
that owning one makes them safer.
Well. safe from board kids, assuming the kids know how to swim. JDW you do know that more folks drown than die from gun violence according to the CDC. When is someone going to get on a high horse about drowning deaths.
That would be a good cause for Aquagirl, assuming she can swim herself, and has enough leadership skills to lead a group of 4-5 year old children. Drowning disproportionately affects minorities and small children, so that should be a big incentive to her.
Rafe Hollister preparing for an Obamanist America
February 21st, 2013
7:23 pm
that is stupid– bored not board, government school education kicking in.
Aquagirl
February 21st, 2013
7:25 pm
That would be a good cause for Aquagirl, assuming she can swim herself
Now I take a lot from y’all, but THAT is a cheap shot.
MarkV
February 21st, 2013
7:27 pm
Bruno @ 7:16 pm
Bruno – Thank you for confirming one more time that you are incapable of an argument, but capable of name-calling other people.
Bruno
February 21st, 2013
7:30 pm
I notice swimming pool owners don’t run around blathering, all evidence to the contrary, that owning one makes them safer.
JDW–Let’s look at the facts, shall we. For starters, the swimming pool argument is valid. More pools = more drowning accidents, in the same way that more cars = more deaths by car accident.
From a numerical standpoint, approximately 31,000 people die from gunshot wounds per year in the US. Of these, approximately 19,000 deaths are due to suicide, with 11,000 homicides and less than 1000 due to accidental discharge. Putting into a larger context, approximately 4,000,000 people die each year in the US. As such, less than 1% of all deaths are due to firearms.
Sailfish
February 21st, 2013
7:31 pm
Personally, I prefer boomerangs – gets them every time!
Aquagirl
February 21st, 2013
7:33 pm
more folks drown than die from gun violence according to the CDC.
OK, I’ll bite…where’d you get that factoid? The CDC charts don’t show anything like that.
Besides, I would totally notice all those bodies floating around.
http://www.cdc.gov/injury/wisqars/LeadingCauses.html
Bruno
February 21st, 2013
7:35 pm
Bruno – Thank you for confirming one more time that you are incapable of an argument, but capable of name-calling other people.
In case you forgot, MarkV, I attempted to debate you on a few topics, but you were unable to think for yourself, and could never bring yourself to a point of honesty that a meaningful exchange could occur. As such, you are deserving only of my ridicule.
Bruno
February 21st, 2013
7:40 pm
OK, I’ll bite…where’d you get that factoid? The CDC charts don’t show anything like that.
A quick google search turned up a figure of approximately 3,300 accidental drowning deaths per year in the US. I’m not sure why they separated intentional from unintentional drowning deaths. I can’t seem to find the number for intentional drownings.
bluecoat
February 21st, 2013
7:42 pm
I thought reduced speed limits cut automobile deaths.
Bruno
February 21st, 2013
7:43 pm
As for death due to motor vehicle accidents, in 2010 the number was approximately 33,000 as well, the same as for gun deaths.
Sailfish
February 21st, 2013
7:43 pm
Drowning? So sad when people play with water without thinking – it’s serious business!
Hillbilly D
February 21st, 2013
7:44 pm
In my opinion, increased DUI enforcement has had more to do with reducing highway deaths than anything.
md
February 21st, 2013
7:48 pm
Kennesaw has had 4 homicides in the 30 years since their gun law hit the books, and half the residents don’t own guns.
But one would be fooling themselves if the they think the bad guys don’t know that. And they don’t know which 50% is without a gun.
Why go prey on people in kennesaw knowing they may also have a gun when one can go down to Home Park where they know GT doesn’t allow guns on campus and kids walking nearby are likely not carrying?
Bruno
February 21st, 2013
7:49 pm
Drowning? So sad when people play with water without thinking – it’s serious business!
LOL @ sailfish.
Here’s for you and Aquagirl:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hX8nAZftZL4
Half a mile from the county fair
And the rain came pouring down
Me and Billy standing there
With a silver half a crown
Hands are full of the fishing rod and the tackle on our backs
We just stood there getting wet
With our backs against the fence
Oh, the water
Oh, the water
Oh, the water
Hope it don’t rain all day
Sailfish
February 21st, 2013
7:49 pm
Mortality, don’t ponder it too much, but it does seem puzzling. You know one day you’ll be leaving, but you never know how it might happen. Die in your sleep? I guess that’s the preferred ending…alas living can be a pretty good treat if you’re looking.
bluecoat
February 21st, 2013
7:52 pm
HB how will that work with weed?
Hillbilly D
February 21st, 2013
7:52 pm
I’ve been to the funeral of a 3 year old who fell in a swimming pool, so this ain’t quite as humorous to me as some.
And before anybody asks, I’ve been to funerals of people who got shot, too.
Aesop's Fables and other Lib Economic Theories
February 21st, 2013
7:53 pm
How many of the motor vehicle accidents were suicides?
(\__/)
( *.* )
( . )
(”) (”)
How many people were killed by their furry little pets? I know a dude that went to bed with a 27 foot Anaconda and woke up in it’s tummy.
You people just can’t be trusted with yourselves!
Rafe Hollister preparing for an Obamanist America
February 21st, 2013
7:55 pm
Aquagirl
I meant to say gun accidents versus drowning. 2009 there were 2000 drownings and 600 gun accidental deaths.
http://www.listosaur.com/miscellaneous/top-5-causes-of-accidental-death-in-the-united-states.html
Sailfish
February 21st, 2013
7:56 pm
bruno
Nice tune, this is where I’m at
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AUEjzVQwKo
hillbilly
Just point out that something so beautiful (water) can be very dangerous indeed.
Bruno
February 21st, 2013
7:58 pm
I’ve been to the funeral of a 3 year old who fell in a swimming pool, so this ain’t quite as humorous to me as some.
HD–I don’t think anyone’s trying to be disrespectful here.
The saddest funeral I ever went to was that of a former GF who drank herself to death at age 32. She was the most beautiful girl in town, and her dad was the richest man in town. But, for whatever reason, the ones who have the most going for them are often the ones who don’t take advantage of it, or even appreciate it.
bluecoat
February 21st, 2013
7:59 pm
And I thought Jonah/Whale hard to believe.
Hillbilly D
February 21st, 2013
7:59 pm
How many of the motor vehicle accidents were suicides?
That’s actually a pretty good question but one that we can’t ever really know the answer to. Just about every time I hear of a head on collision, especially somebody going the wrong way on a divided highway, I wonder.
getalife
February 21st, 2013
8:00 pm
The Vice President is correct and working hard to save your children from being slaughtered at school.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right
February 21st, 2013
8:01 pm
And just a point of information, the NRA needs to get behind criminal background and mental health checks for every gun sale.
No excuses on this, given the information age we live in.
Bruno
February 21st, 2013
8:02 pm
Just about every time I hear of a head on collision, especially somebody going the wrong way on a divided highway, I wonder.
A few “accidents” may be murder, as well. One of my former patient’s daughters was killed in a fatal wreck after her former BF ran her off the road.
Hillbilly D
February 21st, 2013
8:03 pm
sailfish, Bruno
Sorry, just hit a nerve I reckon.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right
February 21st, 2013
8:03 pm
Then he’s going about it the wrong way,getalife.
And their local cops procedure both him and you wrong on this.
Or don’t you bother reading the article?
getalife
February 21st, 2013
8:04 pm
I would advise the divided and conquered gop to surrender to our President and get out of the way to save the gop party.
Bruno
February 21st, 2013
8:05 pm
Sailfish–Beautiful Donovan song.
Just in case your Poseidon Adventure ever goes awry:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KClpLzFftU
md
February 21st, 2013
8:06 pm
“The Vice President is correct and working hard to save your children from being slaughtered at school.”
Then we need to quit broadcasting to the evil/sick people that there is no resistance on campuses.
Question, do the schools in the Atl have armed resource officers?
Hillbilly D
February 21st, 2013
8:06 pm
Bruno @ 8:02
Yeah, there’s no telling what all goes on. I used to have a friend that’s had more DUI’s than I can count. I’m still amazed they haven’t killed themselves or somebody else. You can’t talk sense into some people and eventually, you just have to walk away to keep them from dragging you down with them.
Aquagirl
February 21st, 2013
8:07 pm
I meant to say gun accidents versus drowning.
I should have figured that part out, my bad.
Aesop's Fables and other Lib Economic Theories
February 21st, 2013
8:07 pm
Yes, school children should stick their double barrels out the window and blast away every now and again, like biden says.
getalife
February 21st, 2013
8:07 pm
The gop are in basic survival mode losing badly on the polls on the issues like guns.
Brace yourself for the gop caving many times to President Obama.
They are fighting to survive but they made this bed so they can lie in it.
md
February 21st, 2013
8:10 pm
Guess they do:
http://www.ajc.com/news/news/crime-law/nra-push-for-armed-officers-backed-by-state-superi/nTc3X/
Bruno
February 21st, 2013
8:11 pm
Sorry, just hit a nerve I reckon.
Just finished reading “The Dirt”, which is the story of Motley Crue. I’m not really a Crue fan, but it’s a can’t-put-down book. Of the four main members of the group, I felt the least empathy for Vince Neil, until I read the chapter about how his 4 year old daughter died from cancer. You wouldn’t wish that on your worst enemy.
At my Dad’s funeral, the preacher used the allegory of life being like a large tapestry. We just have to trust that the black threads are there for a reason, that the picture wouldn’t be complete without them.
Aesop's Fables and other Lib Economic Theories
February 21st, 2013
8:13 pm
The National Rifle Association will launch a print advertising campaign targeting mostly Democratic senators up for re-election in 2014, according to sources close to the group.
Game ova.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right
February 21st, 2013
8:15 pm
Anyone figure out how many times getalife posts the same thing without addressing the topic?
Bruno
February 21st, 2013
8:16 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-R8gHj_7v8
They say the sea turns so dark that
You know it’s time, you see the sign
They say the point Demon’s Guard is
An ocean grave, for all the brave
Was it you that said, “How long, how long?
How long to the point of no return?”
Rafe Hollister preparing for an Obamanist America
February 21st, 2013
8:18 pm
The carping back and forth gets pretty technical, but the brief version is that Hemenway believes Kleck includes too many “false positives”: respondents who claim they’ve chased off burglars or rapists with guns but probably are boasting or, worse, categorizing unlawful aggressive conduct as legitimate DGU. Hemenway finds more reliable an annual federal government research project, called the National Crime Victimization Survey, which yields estimates in the neighborhood of 100,000 defensive gun uses per year. Making various reasonable-sounding adjustments, other social scientists have suggested that perhaps a figure somewhere between 250,000 and 370,000 might be more accurate.
http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2012-12-27/how-often-do-we-use-guns-in-self-defense
Well even Bloomberg knows that these guns are not just something to lay around the house and kill the children.
getalife
February 21st, 2013
8:19 pm
The expanded background checks will pass and now they agree to insurance liability .
Read the New York Times
Bruno
February 21st, 2013
8:21 pm
By far, my favorite song about the ocean:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVHL_rxbhg0
Today you looked around to my heart’s call
This tiny life ain’t been strangled after all
Time, time, time, time
Never ask what’s become of us
Just dedicate your sorrow
Here and now
To the soul of the sea
And me
Sailfish
February 21st, 2013
8:22 pm
The only real thing that makes sense is to really find a way to keep guns away from the mentally ill, which at this point in time, practically impossible. How many people are just so stressed out and the availability of a weapon compounds a “bad” day.
People of statistics, here’s one I’d like to know just for the heck of it: How many people die before the age of 62 and never collect social security after paying for thirty years? I think the number might be shocking. In a twisted way, it’s one mechanism that helps keep the fund in the black.
Hillbilly D
February 21st, 2013
8:22 pm
In the real world, most guns aren’t bought at stores or at gun shows.
Hillbilly D
February 21st, 2013
8:25 pm
The only real thing that makes sense is to really find a way to keep guns away from the mentally ill, which at this point in time, practically impossible.
That I agree with. The real problem is the mental health system, in my eyes. It’s damn near impossible to get a person committed to treatment, against their will, no matter how friggin’ crazy they are or how many threats they make. Been through all that and the answer you always get from law enforcement/mental health is “well, they haven’t done anything yet”.
Aesop's Fables and other Lib Economic Theories
February 21st, 2013
8:29 pm
gitmo the robot. gitmo was once a major hillary suckup but Anka told him to support obozo. gitmo complied. gitmo was once a 2nd Amendment proponent, last week as I remember it but Anka told gitmo that guns are bad. gitmo complies.
Liability will die in the House.
Rafe Hollister preparing for an Obamanist America
February 21st, 2013
8:29 pm
If you buy a gun from a dealer at a gun show, you have to go through the background investigation. This “gun show loophole crappola” is just liberal code for we want to do BI on private sales. How that will ever be enforced is a mystery to me, but then again we don’t enforce a lot of our laws, the politicians just love to make more of them for some non apparent reason. When is the last time someone was stopped for not having their lights on, in the rain?
Bruno
February 21st, 2013
8:30 pm
Ooops, before Kyle gets on me for going off topic, I guess I’d better switch the musical theme to guns:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUhIEEwSSSo
Aesop's Fables and other Lib Economic Theories
February 21st, 2013
8:33 pm
Imagine what the number of gun murders would be if you subtracted out the obozo voters who committed them.
Dave
February 21st, 2013
8:33 pm
Gosh Kyle, Biden opened himself up to criticism for what, the 100th time in his career while making a point? Good catch! His point, right or wrong is that you don’t need a rifle with a big ass clip to defend yourself. He could be wrong. I happen to think he’s right. Golly, his wife is threatened by an intruder and shoots whichever firearm into the air. You’d rather she fire at whomever it is that is threatening her? She misses and hits an innocent person. She hits the intruder. In most jurisdictions she hasn’t violated a law. That only happens if she fires in the air, if that is indeed illegal if there’s an intruder nearby. You going to lead the prosecution? If not, lay off the legalizing and save your ire for more important stuff.
Bruno
February 21st, 2013
8:38 pm
Wow, didn’t know that this color video existed:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Doi07ewYDhc
Aquagirl
February 21st, 2013
8:42 pm
I guess I’d better switch the musical theme to guns:
I’ll see yer guns and raise you an air raid:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZwayNMSomY
Aesop's Fables and other Lib Economic Theories
February 21st, 2013
8:46 pm
Ooops, before Kyle gets on me for going off topic, I guess I’d better switch the musical theme to guns:
Don’t sweat it Bruno. It seems as though the enforcement of any rules are not predicated on minor violations of them, our blog host actually seems to be pretty cool about it, which earns him high respect from me. But when these blog sissies start bombarding him with emails about things that they should just man up about, I guess he feels he must respond to them. Maybe he’s too busy to see that the problem really lies with those who anoint themselves the blog police official.
independent thinker
February 21st, 2013
8:46 pm
Kyle prefers a vice president like ole Dick “maddog” Cheney who just hauls off and shoots people in the face with birdshot from their rifle. Now that is a real hero!
Bruno
February 21st, 2013
8:47 pm
I’ll see yer guns and raise you an air raid:
What, am I going to have to go nuclear on ya, Aquagirl??!?!?!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTOQUnvI3CA
Bruno
February 21st, 2013
8:49 pm
Aesop @ 8:46: With you all the way.
Hillbilly D
February 21st, 2013
8:51 pm
Kyle prefers a vice president like ole Dick “maddog” Cheney who just hauls off and shoots people in the face with birdshot from their rifle. Now that is a real hero!
First off, you don’t shoot birdshot out of a rifle. Second off, what Cheney did was pure carelessness and there’s no excuse for it. Any time you hit something or somebody that you’re not shooting at, it’s your damn fault.
Aesop's Fables and other Lib Economic Theories
February 21st, 2013
8:51 pm
Hopefully this won’t become like kookman’s where the total bedwetters send emails about every single solitary comment that doesn’t conform to the party approved groupthink.
Aquagirl
February 21st, 2013
8:54 pm
No Nukes!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHylQRVN2Qs
Aesop's Fables and other Lib Economic Theories
February 21st, 2013
8:56 pm
I’ve got the gun -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWkLOrfDAo4
SeeLow
February 21st, 2013
8:57 pm
I would be interested to know if the audience applauded Biden’s stupidity.
md
February 21st, 2013
9:00 pm
” This “gun show loophole crappola” is just liberal code for we want to do BI on private sales. How that will ever be enforced is a mystery to me, but then again we don’t enforce a lot of our laws, the politicians just love to make more of them for some non apparent reason.”
There is one way and one way only…..register all guns.
I can see the push coming down the road…..
JDW
February 21st, 2013
9:01 pm
@Rafe…”JDW you do know that more folks drown than die from gun violence according to the CDC.”
Actually no they do not.
Drowning…3517…Guns Homicide…11,493…Suicide…18,735….Accidental around 900
http://www.cdc.gov/Injury/wisqars/pdf/Leading_Causes_Injury_Deaths_Age_Group_Highlighting_Violence-Related%20Injury_Deaths_US_2009-a.pdf
md
February 21st, 2013
9:02 pm
” His point, right or wrong is that you don’t need a rifle with a big ass clip to defend yourself. ”
Depends……the last few incidents had bad guys heavily armed….no match for a shotgun.
And too many are assuming bad guys don’t travel in groups…..
Bruno
February 21st, 2013
9:06 pm
No Nukes!
Too late, Aquagirl.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKZixANuNNg
HD–I’m sure you’ve heard it, but this demo of “Morning Dew” by The 31st of February is rocking. “Dew” was a favorite of the Dead, and has been covered almost as many times as “Rocky Top”.
md
February 21st, 2013
9:07 pm
The last time I came home to some “uninvited guests”, there were more than one…….I didn’t have a gun, but I would have preferred the bigger clip as I was outnumbered……
Bruno
February 21st, 2013
9:09 pm
I would be interested to know if the audience applauded Biden’s stupidity.
SeeLow–MarkV and getalife were fawning over Biden earlier tonight here on the blog.
Bruno
February 21st, 2013
9:12 pm
Always liked this one by Jr Walker and the Allstars:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnhI_ECOAK4
Aquagirl
February 21st, 2013
9:12 pm
Actually no they do not.
He did clarify later he meant accidental gun deaths. Why the homicides and suicides by gun don’t count is another matter, but there ya go.
MarkV
February 21st, 2013
9:12 pm
Bruno @ 7:35 pm
“In case you forgot, MarkV, I attempted to debate you on a few topics, but you were unable to think for yourself, and could never bring yourself to a point of honesty that a meaningful exchange could occur. As such, you are deserving only of my ridicule.”
Bruno – you are so pathetically full of yourself that you incapable of understanding that other people are not at your beck and call when it comes to the choice of topics for a debate.
Dave
February 21st, 2013
9:15 pm
md, I see you subscribe to the latest NRA talking points – it isn’t the bad government we need guns to defend against, it’s the hurricanes, tornadoes and zombie attacks that government can’t protects us from that justify 30 round clips. Good to know you are current with shifting justifications.
JDW
February 21st, 2013
9:17 pm
@Bruno…”JDW–Let’s look at the facts, shall we. For starters, the swimming pool argument is valid. More pools = more drowning accidents, in the same way that more cars = more deaths by car accident.
From a numerical standpoint, approximately 31,000 people die from gunshot wounds per year in the US. Of these, approximately 19,000 deaths are due to suicide, with 11,000 homicides and less than 1000 due to accidental discharge. Putting into a larger context, approximately 4,000,000 people die each year in the US. As such, less than 1% of all deaths are due to firearms.”
We have had this argument before…first off only 2.5 million people die in the US each year. Second when you strip out natural causes you are left with in order….
Traffic…34,485
Unintentional Poisoning….31,758
Unintentional Falling….24,792
Suicide Firearm…18,735
Homicide Firearm….11,493
That means homicide firearm is the leading cause of death that in not an accident or natural causes. Second that number leaves out the 100,000+ gunshot wounds suffered each year, and the 1.3 million times a year a gun is used in the commission of a crime (29% of all felony offenses), and the estimated 2+ million times a gun is used to intimidate or bully.
Bottom line they are a plauge on our society impacting the lives of millions of citizens each year.
Aesop's Fables and other Lib Economic Theories
February 21st, 2013
9:19 pm
it isn’t the bad government we need guns to defend against, it’s the hurricanes, tornadoes and zombie attacks that government can’t protects us from that justify 30 round clips.
What do these dumbazz liberals not understand?
A purported gang member convicted of at least two felonies in the past was arrested for a weapons charge Saturday after Cook County Sheriff’s police officers found an AK-47 near his trailer home in unincorporated Des Plaines.
Aquagirl
February 21st, 2013
9:19 pm
The last time I came home to some “uninvited guests”, there were more than one…….I didn’t have a gun, but I would have preferred the bigger clip as I was outnumbered……
Oh fer chrissakes, just kick the garbage can a couple times and those raccoons will clear out.
Aquagirl
February 21st, 2013
9:21 pm
And I totally can’t believe that post made it through the filter.
Hillbilly D
February 21st, 2013
9:21 pm
Bruno
Haven’t heard 31st of Feb in a long time.
Hillbilly D
February 21st, 2013
9:23 pm
kick the garbage can a couple times and those raccoons will clear out.
They can be pretty tough if you corner one. And if a coon ever gets a dog into water, you’ve got yourself a dead dog. They’ll hop on the back of the dog’s neck and drown him, nearly every time.
Sailfish
February 21st, 2013
9:25 pm
I think kyle figured it out: every time there’s a click, he gets another nick – into his account. Those nickels add up pretty quickly, why refuse them or limit them? I’m sure he’s a capitalist at heart.
Dave
February 21st, 2013
9:25 pm
AF, it’s been many decades since I’ve been called a dumb ass or as you put it dumbazz, to my real life or virtual face, indeed I was a juvenile as was my antagonist. I just love the nostalgia. All that junior high banter. Gosh, I just really miss it. Thanks.
Del
February 21st, 2013
9:26 pm
Joe Biden is and has always been someone who fails to engage brain before putting mouth into gear. He clearly doesn’t know anything about shotguns or he would not have made those stupid comments. If you’re going to use a shotgun for self defense you should not choose a double barreled gun but rather a tactical 12 gauge, pump action with an extended magazine like a Rem. 870 or a Bull Pup Mossberg. Most in home encounters with a home invader will put you within 25 yards of an adversary. Within that range your shot pattern utilizing a 2 3/4 quarter inch 00 buck round or even a 3 inch magnum will only be about the size of a half dollar. Maximum pattern expansion about the size of a plate won’t occur until the shell expands at about 45 yards. The bottom line is you will need to aim and not aim, aimlessly with a shotgun in spite of what Joe Biden says. BTW…good idea to have a backup semi-auto with a high capacity magazine because your adversary probably will have one at the ready.
Aquagirl
February 21st, 2013
9:29 pm
They’ll hop on the back of the dog’s neck and drown him, nearly every time.
Nothing against dogs, but I hope md is smarter than that.
Dusty
February 21st, 2013
9:29 pm
Well, I kinda like Joe Biden. He doesn’t act like he’s Lil Lord Fauntleroy, God’s gift to the world. He just acts like Joe. If he got where he is without being smart, I’d be surprised.
Besides that, he’s been through some tough times. You do know his first wife and 13 month old daughter were killed in an auto accident back in the seventies. It doesn’t get much worse than that.
I will now confess that I have a GUN!! One of these days I shall get some ammunition to go with it.
I’d hurry but I don’t even have a balcony. First things first ya know..
Aesop's Fables and other Lib Economic Theories
February 21st, 2013
9:29 pm
ave- It’s been decades since I encountered an intelligent dummycrat – what’s your point?
Hillbilly D
February 21st, 2013
9:31 pm
Del
Especially if it’s a full choke. Real tight pattern.
Sailfish
February 21st, 2013
9:31 pm
“And if a coon ever gets a dog into water, you’ve got yourself a dead dog. They’ll hop on the back of the dog’s neck and drown him, nearly every time.”
Racoons crack me up, they really are peaceful critters but that’s a good thing to know. I guess it’s true that you can learn something new every day.
Bruno
February 21st, 2013
9:32 pm
We have had this argument before…first off only 2.5 million people die in the US each year.
The US has 315,371,722 people right now with a life expectancy of 78.7 years. That comes out to about 4,000,000 deaths per year on average by my math.
Dave
February 21st, 2013
9:33 pm
AF, you’ve made it.
JDW
February 21st, 2013
9:35 pm
@Bruno and Dusty…to our conversation yesterday on paying cash for medical bills…here is a story about a guy that had to and it is not pretty…
http://healthland.time.com/2013/02/20/bitter-pill-why-medical-bills-are-killing-us/?hpt=hp_bn18
Amoung other tidbits these really stand out…
“Dozens of midpriced items were embedded with similarly aggressive markups, like $283.00 for a “CHEST, PA AND LAT 71020.” That’s a simple chest X-ray, for which MD Anderson is routinely paid $20.44 when it treats a patient on Medicare”
or
“Every time a nurse drew blood, a “ROUTINE VENIPUNCTURE” charge of $36.00 appeared, accompanied by charges of $23 to $78 for each of a dozen or more lab analyses performed on the blood sample. In all, the charges for blood and other lab tests done on Recchi amounted to more than $15,000. Had Recchi been old enough for Medicare, MD Anderson would have been paid a few hundred dollars for all those tests. By law, Medicare’s payments approximate a hospital’s cost of providing a service, including overhead, equipment and salaries.”
I’ll finish with this one….
“The hospital’s hard-nosed approach pays off. Although it is officially a nonprofit unit of the University of Texas, MD Anderson has revenue that exceeds the cost of the world-class care it provides by so much that its operating profit for the fiscal year 2010, the most recent annual report it filed with the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, was $531 million. That’s a profit margin of 26% on revenue of $2.05 billion, an astounding result for such a service-intensive enterprise”
To put that in perspective…one of those enterprises I managed was a software company…we sold air and turned a profit margin of around 15%.
Thulsa Doom
February 21st, 2013
9:43 pm
“They can be pretty tough if you corner one.’
And they don’t retreat in a staredown either. I was in the Fla. keys years back just a few miles before hitting the 7 mile bridge. We pulled off on this tiny little key about 10 yards wide on either side with a row of 5-6 very small trees about 6-8 feet high. Anyway its pitch dark cause they’re no lights around and I’m doing my bidness in the bushes and I feel like I’m not alone. I yell to Bill who is 10 yds away in the ocean spotlighting crabs and other critters. He spotlights the bush where I’m standing and there’s a coon staring straight at me about a foot away from my nose. We engage in about a 2 minute stareoff with neither of us moving nary a muscle. Finally I knew I’ld been beat. Plus I needed a fresh beer. So I just started laughing at this coon sitting up in this bush or small tree less than a foot from my face. I moved back and he finally kinda moved and made his way over to some of the other bushes. To this day I still can’t imagine what the hell that coon did for food. He was miles away from any keys of substantial size and it looked like there was little to no freshwater. I can only surmise he was eating up on all those slow moving crabs in the shallows but otherwise I can’t figure out what the hell he lived on. And he was big.
Bruno
February 21st, 2013
9:45 pm
Bottom line they are a plauge on our society impacting the lives of millions of citizens each year.
JDW–You should know by know that I’m a straight shooter, no pun intended. I can see things from the standpoint of someone who doesn’t like guns. Less guns = less gun deaths. And I acknowledge your point that many people misuse guns to intimidate others, sometimes their own spouses. At the same time, however, I think that gun advocates have their points as well. Of the 19,000 suicides and 11,000 homicides, that number wouldn’t go to 0 in the absence of guns. Guns are used for legitimate hunting, and should be available for self-protection.
As such, I’m kind of in the middle regarding guns. Though I absolutely support the 2nd Amendment, I also think that society has a legitimate interest in restricting certain weapons from being sold.
Aquagirl
February 21st, 2013
9:48 pm
I’m doing my bidness in the bushes and I feel like I’m not alone.
Let’s see…dark secluded spot…Florida Keys….fly unzipped…..you’re darn lucky it was a raccoon.
Thulsa Doom
February 21st, 2013
9:51 pm
JDW,
That hospital profit margin of 26% was highly unusual. Most average around 5% from what I saw.
On the routine stuff I’m all for getting the insurance company out of the way and letting people shop for and buy their own medical care and services for routine stuff. People and Docs generally have no incentive to keep costs down because a third party- insurance co., is footing the bill. When its your own money you’re a lot more careful about how you spend it. When its a third party’s money not so much.
Let people pay for the small stuff and the expected routine care out of their own pocket and let insurance do what its supposed to do- pay for unexpected and catastrophic events such as heart attacks, cancer, etc. Car insurance doesn’t pay for normal routine expenses such as new tires, oil changes, maintenance. And health insurance shouldn’t pay for routine stuff either IMO.
Hillbilly D
February 21st, 2013
9:52 pm
I’ve caught coons in a trap (trying to catch coyotes) and you have to be careful when you let them out. They come out fast and they’re usually not in a good mood. Possums on the other hand are so dimwitted ’til you have to pretty well make them get out of the trap. A lot of times, you open the door but they just can’t figure it out. And you hear of rabid coons, up in here in the Hills, every 3-4 months.
Bruno
February 21st, 2013
9:57 pm
@Bruno and Dusty…to our conversation yesterday on paying cash for medical bills…here is a story about a guy that had to and it is not pretty…
JDW–In case you missed it, your article completely supports my contention that the biggest problem in our health care system is cost. I work in the industry, so am very well aware of the abuses the article points out in terms of price gouging. And, as I attempted to explain, the main driver of this is the third-party payment system. No savvy consumer would be willing to pay the prices listed in your examples. And they wouldn’t have to in a more honest system.
The solution that I advocate on the capitalistic side is to restore consumerism to health care. Which means returning insurance to its rightful place as a hedge against catastrophic loss, and paying for routine services out of pocket. Which means preventing mds from receiving direct kickbacks from pharmaceutical companies for prescribing certain meds. Which means removing the barriers set in place by the state medical boards designed to limit the number of doctors in practice. Which means changing malpractice laws so that docs don’t have to practice defensively, thereby leading to unnecessary tests. Which means………the list goes on and on.
There’s plenty we can do to get the waste out of health care without resorting to a government takeover.
Dusty
February 21st, 2013
10:01 pm
JDW
I couldn’t get your attachment to open up but I wish you would also report on how much “free” work is done at MBAnderson. Everything in a hospital is expensive and much of it cannot be resused. Equipment, analyzers, every thing sterile, it is all expensive. Infection control is expensive and a constant effort is made to prevent it. Many of the people in a hospital have had years of education and training, ’specially the doctors but also many others. Quite rightly, they do not expect to be paid like they are doing manual labor.
As to cash and high bills, the best treatment does not come cheap. It won’t come cheap with Obamacare and therefore you won’t get the best.
Sounds like your patient could pay cash for his treatment. He wanted the best and he got it.
I”d love to know how to cut medical bills and we must try. Mlost people don’t want any “corners cut” when it is THEIR treatman. We can just call up a Medicine Man which does work for some people but not for most.
td
February 21st, 2013
10:01 pm
Bruno
February 21st, 2013
9:32 pm
We have had this argument before…first off only 2.5 million people die in the US each year.
The US has 315,371,722 people right now with a life expectancy of 78.7 years. That comes out to about 4,000,000 deaths per year on average by my math.
Don’t forget to add the 54,000,000 aborted Americans since 1973.
Hillbilly D
February 21st, 2013
10:07 pm
Which means preventing mds from receiving direct kickbacks from pharmaceutical companies for prescribing certain meds.
Used to have a doc who was always asking about my prescriptions. I said, well I’ve got 3 more refills and I’ll be back for a check-up before they’re out. He kept on and on about how he didn’t mind writing me a new one, so I figured there must’ve been a reason.
Also one time, I told him insurance would no longer pay for a certain drug. He says, “I can give you this one; it’s the same thing and it’s cheaper”. So my question was, if it’s the same thing and cheaper, why haven’t I been getting that one all along.
I also stopped for a sandwich today and happened to sit next to a couple of drug company reps. One was schooling the other on how to take advantage of 3rd party payers, as a sales tool. Quite slick the guy was.
md
February 21st, 2013
10:08 pm
“Oh fer chrissakes, just kick the garbage can a couple times and those raccoons will clear out.”
Wish they were merely racoons…..it isn’t a pleasant feeling to come home to folks that violate one’s space. Just another wake-up call that the predators do actually exist outside the movies…..
md
February 21st, 2013
10:12 pm
Dave, just being realistic. So you ban larger clips…..and then the bad guys just acquire more smaller clips.
Have you read the old gun ban? It is for show…..it is illogical. It distinguishes assault rifles as those with various cosmetic differences. Same gun without the cosmetics? Not banned…….
It’s staged theater so folks like you can feel all warm and fuzzy that our benevolent masters did something……..
Hillbilly D
February 21st, 2013
10:14 pm
I wish you would also report on how much “free” work is done at M D Anderson.
A friend of mine’s son went to M D Anderson. The first thing they told then was, if they had insurance, that was good (they did) but if they didn’t he would be treated anyway. The 2nd time (2nd cancer) he went in, they told them they would send his chemo regimen here, so they wouldn’t have to go to Texas so much. It was sent to a major Atlanta hospital and they were told, you either have insurance or you pay in advance. So M D Anderson is alright by me.
And Jerry Glanville was instrumental in getting my friend’s son in there, so you’ll never see me say a bad word about him, on sport’s blog or anywhere else.
Hillbilly D
February 21st, 2013
10:15 pm
So you ban larger clips
And people will just make their own. Any machinist can do it.
md
February 21st, 2013
10:21 pm
“To put that in perspective…one of those enterprises I managed was a software company…we sold air and turned a profit margin of around 15%.”
I get a kick out of bottled water…..getting to cost as much as gasoline. I carry a bottle with me and fill up at the free drinking fountains…….
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
February 21st, 2013
10:22 pm
JDW: one of those enterprises I managed was a software company…we sold air and turned a profit margin of around 15%
———————
Sounds like that company was mismanaged. Decently-run software companies have profit margins upward of 50%.
md
February 21st, 2013
10:26 pm
“And people will just make their own. Any machinist can do it.”
Yep. The bad guys don’t much care do they….
I have an old .22 semi-auto non clip that holds 22 rounds…..won’t make very big holes but 22 of them might hurt a bit.
Dusty
February 21st, 2013
10:26 pm
Hillbilly,
I’d say your doctor does not want a call Saturday evening that someone is out ;of medicine and there are no refills. You keep track ;of yours but everybody doesn’t. When Emory Clinic calls to remind someone of an appointment, they also say bring your meds with you. Then the doctor knows exactly where you are on meds by looking at the containers. Also, new meds come out frequently. I understand there is a several year waiting period (by FDA) that generic drugs cannot be made like the new drugs. After the waiting period, the price drops and generics are available..
Some doctors I know don’t even give out samples any more. One told me he did not want to be accused of helping the drug companies so he stopped giving all samples. I don’t think the drug companies even give out many samples any more..
Some of the drug companies will give their medications free if you can prove that you are really in need. I know that Lilly has a program like that. I think there are others. You just don’t hear much about that.
We should remember that drug companies are usually the ones who do the research and the delivery of new drugs. They spend millions doing that. We should realize the benefits along with our complaints. (NO, I don’t work for a drug company!) .
Hillbilly D
February 21st, 2013
10:32 pm
won’t make very big holes but 22 of them might hurt a bit.
Most gunshot victims actually die of blood loss, anyway.
Dusty
The Doc kept insisting on writing a new prescription, even after I told him there was no need.
Thulsa Doom
February 21st, 2013
10:32 pm
“I get a kick out of bottled water…..getting to cost as much as gasoline. I carry a bottle with me and fill up at the free drinking fountains…….”
md,
Same here. My cheapass has a pur water filter and then I take an empty plastic jug or big mug and fill it with my purified filtered water which is far, far more cost efficient. I don’t buy case after case or gallon after gallon of bottled water. I can’t understand for the life of me why people do that. All that plastic going into the environment is not a good thing and on a cost basis I just don’t understand why people do it.
Thulsa Doom
February 21st, 2013
10:37 pm
Hillbilly D,
Maybe those possums are docile in a cage but out in the open I’ve come upon them twice. They made a nasty little growl and screech and bared them little fangs. Scared the hell outta ole Doomy and I got the hell outta there. I’ve had post traumatic possum disorder ever since.
Hillbilly D
February 21st, 2013
10:37 pm
I get my water out of a well but I put it in glass jars. Can’t stand that plastic taste.
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
February 21st, 2013
10:40 pm
Democrats are deathly afraid that government spending will be cut and no one will notice.
They’re working hard to make sure that doesn’t happen.
Democrat voters: Idiots.
Hillbilly D
February 21st, 2013
10:41 pm
All that plastic going into the environment is not a good thing and on a cost basis I just don’t understand why people do it.
For every 6 bottles used, only one makes it to the recycle bin. Manufacturers use 17 million barrels of crude oil to make the bottles. Not very environmentally conscious.
http://kids.nationalgeographic.com/kids/stories/spacescience/water-bottle-pollution/
Bruno
February 21st, 2013
10:45 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEMuAnFH_lM
Politico
February 21st, 2013
10:47 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kd2sOqbIcaM
Dusty
February 21st, 2013
10:48 pm
Hillbilly
Sounds like your doctor has had some trying experiences with refills. Does make you wonder though.
I’ve known my doctor so long I try to take her advice. She’s ways been such a good friend and good doctor, I feel most fortunate. But then I’ve trusted docs for a long time. My father and my uncle were doctors. I got off to a good start with them and that never changed. They were special.
Politico
February 21st, 2013
10:49 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjrIa3szE3w
Hillbilly D
February 21st, 2013
10:50 pm
Davey Johnstone was the real star of this song.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAhpIjazFN0
Nite all.
Politico
February 21st, 2013
10:51 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCVRE6qXdwU
Politico
February 21st, 2013
10:54 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d369pj8YG_s
BADA BING
February 21st, 2013
11:02 pm
I am not a gun expert or a physics major, but shotgun pellets fired straight up in the air go up, and then lose their speed and power. They come down only at the speed of falling objects due to gravity. A pellet hitting you at that speed will sting, but not penetrate the skin. Remember the old story about dropping a penny off the Empire State building, and killing someone? Can’t happen. Fired in an arc would be a different story, but the pellets would still be traveling slower due to the greater distance traveled. Don’t you people watch ‘MythBusters’?
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
February 21st, 2013
11:12 pm
Buckshot in a shotgun shell is larger than some pistol or rifle bullets and would be just as deadly if fired in the air.
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
February 21st, 2013
11:25 pm
Enter your comments here
JDW
February 22nd, 2013
7:30 am
@Bruno….”The US has 315,371,722 people right now with a life expectancy of 78.7 years. That comes out to about 4,000,000 deaths per year on average by my math.”
You math is wrong…take it up with the CDC.
•Number of deaths: 2,468,435
•Death rate: 799.5 deaths per 100,000 population
•Life expectancy: 78.7 years
•Infant Mortality rate: 6.15 deaths per 1,000 live births
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/deaths.htm
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
February 22nd, 2013
7:34 am
When is Kyle going to weigh in on the minimum wage proposal?
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Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
February 22nd, 2013
7:40 am
Minimum wage? Eight percent or more of working-age Americans have been getting the minimum wage ($0/hour) for four years under Obozo. When is Obozo going to address THAT?
Chirp.
JDW
February 22nd, 2013
7:41 am
@Bruno…”Guns are used for legitimate hunting, and should be available for self-protection.
As such, I’m kind of in the middle regarding guns. Though I absolutely support the 2nd Amendment, I also think that society has a legitimate interest in restricting certain weapons from being sold.”
I agree that guns should be available for hunting…that excludes handguns and anything more than a single shot rifle in my view. I think that the “self protection” meme is a fantasy and not supported by the data.
I think that if you own a gun it and you must be licensed and you are 100% responsible for securing that gun. If it gets away from you it is your responsiblity.
As for the Second Amendment….
“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”
Anyone that is part of a “well regulated Militia” i.e. National Guard is entitled to gun ownership. The rest is overreach by the Court.
Aesop's Fables and other Lib Economic Theories
February 22nd, 2013
7:43 am
The minimum wage hike is so obviously stupid that it fore gos any commentary. Perhaps you’re at the wrong forum, finn?
JDW
February 22nd, 2013
7:44 am
@Thusla…”And health insurance shouldn’t pay for routine stuff either IMO.”
I am all for giving people visablity into and understanding of the cost of care. Our current system is set up to preclude that. This particuar story is not unsual though and it is just wrong.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
February 22nd, 2013
7:48 am
So Cons would rather give the working poor food stamps and rent vouchers than ask companies to pay them a little more money.
Now who is stupid?
JDW
February 22nd, 2013
7:51 am
@Bruno…”There’s plenty we can do to get the waste out of health care without resorting to a government takeover.”
I agree with most of what you say except for the government takeover part…single payer is not govenment takeover of care. It is an attempt to address the third party issue. Government takeover is when the health care system is owned by the government and no one is advocating that.
I think the single payer should set a base plan…the individual or a privately purchased insurance company should be responsible for the rest. If a provider wants to work outside the system…tell the patient and make them responsible.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
February 22nd, 2013
7:54 am
Speaking of health care, Jon Stewart interviewed the writer of the Time magazine covers story on the prices we pay for healthcare. The online version of the interview adds 8 extra minutes.
One highlights:
The ambulance industry takes in more money in a year than Hollywood.
Aesop's Fables and other Lib Economic Theories
February 22nd, 2013
7:55 am
It’s called ambition, finn. You want more money, you study hard, you work hard. You grow yourself into something that is worth more money. In the world we live in today, full of weak minded and lazy snivelers who expect everything to just come to them, a responsible individual would be in demand.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
February 22nd, 2013
7:59 am
So, according to Aesop, someone working 2 or 3 minimum wage jobs at the same time is still a moocher.
Got it.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
February 22nd, 2013
8:01 am
Want to see just how gullible the Cons are?
Last week, Slate’s David Weigel detailed how Friends of Hamas doesn’t actually exist. And as New York Daily News reporter Dan Friedman explained, he unwittingly started the Friends of Hamas rumor when he posed the Hagel question to a GOP aide in the form of “an obvious joke.”
According to Friedman, he asked about both Friends of Hamas and the “Junior League of Hezbollah,” and thought that the “names were so over-the-top, so linked to terrorism in the Middle East, that it was clear I was talking hypothetically and hyperbolically.”
LOL, Cons couldn’t tell irony from an iron.
md
February 22nd, 2013
8:03 am
“Anyone that is part of a “well regulated Militia” i.e. National Guard is entitled to gun ownership. The rest is overreach by the Court.”
This is where the anti 2nd go off the track…..when the 2 nd was written, “militia” was just about every Tom, Rick and Harry that existed. Every farmer with a gun was in the “militia”. A bit like the local guys in the volunteer fire department…….and it was written to protect one from our benevolent masters of which some here (jdw) evidently prefer to have all the power…….
Partisay
February 22nd, 2013
8:15 am
Buckshot in a shotgun shell is larger than some pistol or rifle bullets and would be just as deadly if fired in the air.
ummmm…no. I know you can buy shotgun shells with large buckshot but MOST buckshot found in shells from a shotgun are small, BB like. Have you ever fired a shotgun in the air? It rains down the buckshot – damaging nothing. Go throw a handfull of BB’s up in the air. Once they go up from a shotgun they’re only going to fall so fast.
You need to use that Obamaphone you got and do a little more research.
JDW
February 22nd, 2013
8:16 am
@md…milita standing alone can mean everyone…when you add well regulated you have indicated an organized body that trains regularly. That qualifier specifies the use in this case to be a subset of the population that trains together as part of an organized group.
JDW
February 22nd, 2013
8:16 am
O’ and md…that was the view of the court for 200 years until the current crop of wingnuts…talk about legislating from the bench!
JDW
February 22nd, 2013
8:20 am
@md…”it was written to protect one from our benevolent masters of which some here (jdw) evidently prefer to have all the power”
Talk about a facetious argument…you reckon you and boys can hold off the fighter jets, tanks, drones and bombs with your trusty assault weapon…
What I would prefer is to be able to walk down the street without worrying about some nutcase with a gun.
md
February 22nd, 2013
8:25 am
“when you add well regulated you have indicated an organized body that trains regularly. That qualifier specifies the use in this case to be a subset of the population that trains together as part of an organized group.”
Regulated can mean anything, not just what you think it means.
Considering the circumstances when written, and the evidence that points to the fact that it was intended as a protection from the gov’t, regulated may simply mean a form of regulation.
To think it means the gov’t gets to control it when it was intended as protection from that same gov’t is a bit naive…..
Aesop's Fables and other Lib Economic Theories
February 22nd, 2013
8:26 am
I keep my “assault” rifle for gangbangers and other assorted obozo voters.
If I see an A-10 coming towards the house, I plan on leaving, no questions asked.
md
February 22nd, 2013
8:26 am
“Talk about a facetious argument…you reckon you and boys can hold off the fighter jets, tanks, drones and bombs with your trusty assault weapon…”
Seems “the boys” are doing just that in Syria as we speak……don’t underestimate the power of freedom from tyranny.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
February 22nd, 2013
8:29 am
regulated may simply mean a form of regulation.
LOL. Spin it, baby, spin it.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
February 22nd, 2013
8:30 am
I keep my “assault” rifle for gangbangers and other assorted obozo voters.
ie, blacks
md
February 22nd, 2013
8:31 am
Oh, and jdw…..if it ever came to that, do you think the guys operating those tanks, planes, and drones are all going to be on the side of the gov’t that has ordered then to attack their own people?
Where do you think the concept of a coup came from?
Which is another reason the current uprising around the globe are fairly successful.
Do I think we’ll get there…..no, but that is what the 2nd was intended to do. The country had just unshackled itself from the tyranny of England, so one needs to understand the mindset of why things were done.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
February 22nd, 2013
8:39 am
CDC: Fast Food Is 11% of American Diet
Well, Aesop and md can rest easy knowing they will have jobs long into the future.
JDW
February 22nd, 2013
8:43 am
@md…”Considering the circumstances when written, and the evidence that points to the fact that it was intended as a protection from the gov’t, regulated may simply mean a form of regulation.”
Evidence supports the fact that the Framers wanted to keep some power of arms with the States. The Second Amendment does that. It gives States the right to a “well regulated militia”. Even in 1776 a militia was raised by an organized government…not the rabble down at the pub.
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
February 22nd, 2013
8:43 am
Partisay: ummmm…no. I know you can buy shotgun shells with large buckshot but MOST buckshot found in shells from a shotgun are small, BB like.
——————-
Ummm…no. Were you the one who admitted you didn’t know much about firearms? You should have stopped there. If it’s “BB like”, it’s actually called BB. Buckshot is much larger. You should know by now that when I comment on something, the facts are on my side.
https://www.google.com/search?q=shot+size&hl=en&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=Z3UnUfylMeKnigLG4ICgCw&ved=0CEoQsAQ&biw=1366&bih=643#imgrc=I6BY1lMQQiVrQM%3A%3By6wSi2v7KkiZlM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.info4guns.com%252Fgraphics%252Fshot_size_penny.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.info4guns.com%252Fshotgun_gauge_ammunition.html%3B317%3B294
md
February 22nd, 2013
8:43 am
“A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed”
Notice it does NOT say the right of the gov’t to keep and bear arms. The right of the “people” shall not be infringed…….
People jdw…..people.
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
February 22nd, 2013
8:44 am
Finn: gangbangers…ie, blacks
——————
Racist Finn equates gangbangers with blacks.
Nice.
md
February 22nd, 2013
8:46 am
“The Second Amendment was debated and modified during sessions of the House in late August 1789. These debates revolved primarily around risk of “mal-administration of the government” using the “religiously scrupulous” clause to destroy the militia as Great Britain had attempted to destroy the militia at the commencement of the American Revolution. ”
You mean Great Britain wanted to “regulate” the militia?
Now, why would they ever want to do that??????
indigo
February 22nd, 2013
8:46 am
md
Soldiers and Police are people.
The 2nd Ammendment clearly state who can and cannot have guns.
If you are not part of our Military or Police you do NOT have the right to “keep and bear arms”
indigo
February 22nd, 2013
8:46 am
Aesop
Are you ever going to furnish your proof of creationism?
JDW
February 22nd, 2013
8:47 am
@md…”Seems “the boys” are doing just that in Syria as we speak……don’t underestimate the power of freedom from tyranny.”
I don’t underestimate the power of freedom form tyranny…”the boys” in Syria aren’t fighting with commonly available guns…they have nice little goodies provided by other governments. You know why? Because no one had guns in Syria. Ownership was 3.9 per 100 people.
http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/syria
JDW
February 22nd, 2013
8:49 am
@md…”People jdw…..people”
People md…people that are part of a “well regulated militia”. Not every Tom Dick and Harry that thinks it’s cool to have a gun.
Doug B
February 22nd, 2013
8:50 am
Wow, you are really picking some nits in this one, Kyle.
“In Delaware you have to be in fear of your life to use deadly force”
Is shooting a shotgun into the ground using deadly force? To the ground, perhaps, but I don’t think you could get a conviction in a courtroom on that law. Deadly force means applying the force to a person who can become dead.
But beyond that, what the veep said is common sense. If you legitimately think you are in danger (and he didn’t mention “trespassing”, Kyle. I would’ve assumed he meant there’s someone in the house from my reading of his statement), you take whatever reasonable steps you can to save yourself. You would tell your wife the same thing.
md
February 22nd, 2013
8:59 am
“The constitutions of most of our States assert, that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves, in all cases to which they think themselves competent (as in electing their functionaries, executive and legislative, and deciding by a jury of themselves, in all judiciary cases in which any fact is involved), or they may act by representatives, freely and equally chosen; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed;
— Thomas Jefferson to John Cartwright, 1824.”
He was there……none of us were.
Georgia
February 22nd, 2013
8:59 am
In the movie, “Every which way but loose”, (Eastwood), Ruth Gordon showed us all how to handle intruders from her porch. Everything she did was perfect. That’s the how, the why, where, the who and the what of gun ownership and protecting one’s property and life. So Biden is correct. Now the NRA’s circle of accomplished marksmen are exposing themselves as total lunatic fringe liberals by mocking Biden’s remarks. Obviously Biden set a trap for the NRA, picking us off with the cool precision of a sniper.
Phasers on stun.
Rafe Hollister preparing for an Obamanist America
February 22nd, 2013
9:04 am
http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2012-12-27/how-often-do-we-use-guns-in-self-defense
JDW
I posted this earlier on self defense use, from a leftwing website. The NRA guy says 2 million times per year, the anti gun wacko says only 100,000 that are reported and documented by the police, and the experts say that is not accurate either, more like 200,000-300,000 times per year. Even taking the anti gun wacko version, that may be 50,000 lives saved or seriously prevented from injury.
This is something you totally dismissed, as if guns never save lives, and being a stat man as you are, you are wrong.
md
February 22nd, 2013
9:04 am
“The 2nd Ammendment clearly state who can and cannot have guns.”
“People md…people that are part of a “well regulated militia”. Not every Tom Dick and Harry that thinks it’s cool to have a gun.”
Well, considering none of us were there, it once again boils down to beliefs……
I believe words have meaning and the guys that wrote our constitution seemed like pretty smart guys. Since they didn’t write “only militia shall be armed” and intentionally made reference to “the people”, they must of had some meaning behind it.
And as I said earlier, it make sense that if a group of people had just gone through a major war fighting for their freedom from tyranny, they would take that into consideration……..
But that is just my belief……and you guys are welcome to yours…..
bluecoat
February 22nd, 2013
9:08 am
Buck does not apply to all shotgun shot.
md
February 22nd, 2013
9:14 am
“No freeman shall be debarred the use of arms.
— Thomas Jefferson: Draft Virginia Constitution, 1776.
And that the said Constitution be never construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press or the rights of conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms….
— Samuel Adams, in “Phila. Independent Gazetteer”, August 20, 1789
Are we at last brought to such an humiliating and debasing degradation, that we cannot be trusted with arms for our own defense? Where is the difference between having our arms in our own possession and under our own direction, and having them under the management of Congress? If our defense be the real object of having those arms, in whose hands can they be trusted with more propriety, or equal safety to us, as in our own hands?
— Patrick Henry
[W]hen the resolution of enslaving America was formed in Great Britain, the British Parliament was advised by an artful man, who was governor of Pennsylvania, to disarm the people; that it was the best and most effectual way to enslave them; but that they should not do it openly, but weaken them, and let them sink gradually….
— George Mason, speech of June 14, 1788
And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms….The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
— Thomas Jefferson in a letter to William S. Smith, 1787″
indigo
February 22nd, 2013
9:20 am
Aesop
You completely ignore me when I ask for proof of evolution, just as I knew you would.
indigo
February 22nd, 2013
9:23 am
Aesop
Correction – creationism
md
February 22nd, 2013
9:31 am
“I don’t underestimate the power of freedom form tyranny…”the boys” in Syria aren’t fighting with commonly available guns…they have nice little goodies provided by other governments. You know why? Because no one had guns in Syria. Ownership was 3.9 per 100 people.”
Pretty sad isn’t it?
Just think about how they would have to live if they didn’t have that help…….depending on others to save oneself……I’ll pass thanks.
md
February 22nd, 2013
9:33 am
“Just think about how they would have to live if they didn’t have that help……”
Maybe like the Iranians that were beaten and killed in the streets by their own gov’t as they marched peacefully without arms……..
I don’t think I like your vision of utopia…..
JDW
February 22nd, 2013
9:34 am
@md…”He was there……none of us were.”
Please note that he was discussing State Governments and that the power he refers to is EXPLICTLY that of the ballot…”as in electing their functionaries, executive and legislative, and deciding by a jury of themselves, in all judiciary cases in which any fact is involved”
There is nothing in this quote that contradicts the obligation of a state to “well regulate” it’s militia nor is there ANYTHING in this quote that leads one to believe that obligation does not exist.
md
February 22nd, 2013
9:41 am
“Please note that he was discussing State Governments and that the power he refers to is EXPLICTLY that of the ballot…”as in electing their functionaries, executive and legislative, and deciding by a jury of themselves, in all judiciary cases in which any fact is involved””
Please note the words……”by themselves”…..there is no limit as to how many that is…..
” that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed;”
Again, as decided by “themselves”……..I’m a self and you are a self, and you do not have the right to dictate as to what I can and can not do…..so if you want to not have an arm that is your choice, whereas if I choose to have one that is my choice. You are not allowed to infringe on my right just because you say so……
JDW
February 22nd, 2013
9:41 am
@Rafe…”I posted this earlier on self defense use, from a leftwing website. ”
Business Week is a “leftwing website”
My data comes from the Harvard School of Public Health…
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/guns-and-death/
I expect it is far more accurate than that of the NRA.
“This is something you totally dismissed, as if guns never save lives, and being a stat man as you are, you are wrong.”
I didn’t dismiss it…the data leads to two conclusions….
“Most purported self-defense gun uses are gun uses in escalating arguments and are both socially undesirable and illegal
Firearms are used far more often to intimidate than in self-defense.”
The “self defense” meme is a fantasy.
JDW
February 22nd, 2013
9:44 am
@md…”I’m a self and you are a self, and you do not have the right to dictate as to what I can and can not do”
Actually the elected government does have a right to legislate those actions that impact others.
Rafe Hollister preparing for an Obamanist America
February 22nd, 2013
9:45 am
“Certainly one of the chief guarantees of freedom under any government, no matter how popular and respected, is the right of citizens to keep and bear arms … The right of citizens to bear arms is just one guarantee against arbitrary government, one more safeguard, against the tyranny which now appears remote in America but which historically has proven to be always possible.”
– Hubert H. Humphrey, Senator, Vice President, 22 October 1959
For the tikes on the blog, this was one of the leading liberals of his day.
JDW
February 22nd, 2013
9:45 am
@md…your redress as a US Citizen is always at the ballot box…not picking up your gun and hitting the streets.
Real Athens
February 22nd, 2013
9:46 am
Have to agree with Joe. We have an 870 in the closet of our bedroom – one in the chamber, safety on. I told my wife that if an intruder gets past the dog and is still in the house. Lock the bedroom room door. Call 911, grab the Remington and a box the box of shells, take cover behind the mattress. Take a deep breath, put the first round through the ceiling and the next one through the door.
azazel
February 22nd, 2013
9:47 am
some of this might make sense if firearms are the only means, one can think of, for self protection, but why limit yourself
Matz
February 22nd, 2013
9:52 am
@md…”I’m a self and you are a self, and you do not have the right to dictate as to what I can and can not do”
Unless you’re preggers. Then it’s totally everybody else’s beeswax, right? But it doesn’t stop there. See, if you are raped and actually (yeah right) seek justice on that, it’s everybody’s right to drag you through the mud for the sl*t that you probably are, before sending some nice man to jail for doing what you wanted him to do anyway. Oh yeah, and that gun? If you actually use it to stand your ground and protect yourself from being raped, expect to be prosecuted. (Ask the woman from Jax FL doing time for a warning shot why the “stand your ground” law does not apply to her.) In any case, in a “conservative” world, a woman WILL be dictated to, gun or no gun. Trust.
Partisay
February 22nd, 2013
9:52 am
Wow that Obamaphone worked well! All those fancy smancy tables and pictures!! I think you know well what I meant when I said buckshot. There’s buckshot and there’s shot. Most people around here refer to ALL of it has buckshot.
In one of your fancy picture’s there, it tallked about how the bigger shot is used for bigger game and it actually gave an example of a deer as the bigger game. Now, question for you (since you always have facts on your side), do you know anyone who uses a shotgun to hunt deer? I don’t. What do most people use shotguns to hunt? bird and small game like rabbitt, which of course uses smaller shot. That’s what most people buy when purchasing shotgun shells because that’s what most people shoot through their shotguns.
But, hey, maybe when you shoot your shotgun up in the air you buy the biggest buckshot you can buy. When I shoot mine up in the air, I’m shooting at birds.
md
February 22nd, 2013
9:53 am
“Actually the elected government does have a right to legislate those actions that impact others.”
Which is circle logic, as that same principle can be used to form a tyrannical gov’t…….
“One of the ordinary modes, by which tyrants accomplish their purposes without resistance, is by disarming the people, and making it an offense to keep arms, and by substituting a regular army in the stead of a resort to the Militia. The friends of a free Government cannot be too watchful, to overcome the dangerous tendency of the public mind to sacrifice to mere private convenience this powerful check upon the designs of ambitious men.
— Constitutional scholar and Supreme Court Justice Joseph Story”
Chap123
February 22nd, 2013
9:54 am
I really laud the IQ of the person who has done this indepth “analysis” about this statement from Biden . A statement which was made to convey that you dont need 100 round and an automatic weapon to scare away an intruder is twisted beyond recognition .
God help this country ! .I really wonder how such guys get a blog .
sailfish
February 22nd, 2013
9:56 am
rafe
Nobody is proposing to take away your guns, just trying to find a way to keep them out of the hands of the mentally unstable is the challenge. Let’s try to keep this debate in perspective, ok?
By the way I remember HHH or the happy warrior as he was called, but was pulling for nixon in 68 if you could believe that.
Rafe Hollister preparing for an Obamanist America
February 22nd, 2013
9:56 am
JDW
You obviously did not read the BloombergBusinessweek article. Bloomberg, Mr Gun Control, is not left wing? The article addresses many of the issues you addressed. What is fantasy, is living your life expecting someone else to take care of you and your family. Good luck with that, as they say when seconds count, the police are minutes away. In Chicago the police are so understaffed they have quit responding to routine calls like stolen cars, etc.
As they say about atheist in foxholes, I am willing to bet their are few home invasion victims who are anti gun.
Rafe Hollister preparing for an Obamanist America
February 22nd, 2013
9:59 am
“And that the said Constitution be never construed to authorize Congress … to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms…. ”
–Samuel Adams
md
February 22nd, 2013
10:00 am
“(Ask the woman from Jax FL doing time for a warning shot why the “stand your ground” law does not apply to her.) ”
Maybe because she went to the garage, got her gun and then made the CHOICE to go back into the house vs going into the garage and out the door………
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
February 22nd, 2013
10:02 am
md, never discuss the Constitution with JDW. It’s like trying to teach a pig how to dance.
Can’t be done, and just annoys the pig.
md
February 22nd, 2013
10:04 am
And Matz, there is a difference between firing a warning shot if being approached and going out and getting a gun and then taking the law into ones own hands IF one had the opportunity to leave.
You may have a point if the guy was armed……he wasn’t.
Rafe Hollister preparing for an Obamanist America
February 22nd, 2013
10:04 am
“The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing.”
– Adolph Hitler, Hitler’s Secret Conversations 403 (Norman Cameron and R.H. Stevens trans., 1961)
Aesop's Fables and other Lib Economic Theories
February 22nd, 2013
10:05 am
indie – Didn’t Kyle tell you to drop it?
md
February 22nd, 2013
10:06 am
” to overcome the dangerous tendency of the public mind to sacrifice to mere private convenience this powerful check upon the designs of ambitious men.”
And that is where I see jdw……merely my opinion.
Matz
February 22nd, 2013
10:07 am
md,
Nice dodge. I completely understand, though.
md
February 22nd, 2013
10:11 am
“Nice dodge. I completely understand, though.”
It’s not a dodge, it’s called logic…….and choices. She made the wrong choice…..
MarkV
February 22nd, 2013
10:12 am
Dusty @9:29 pm
Dusty,
If you have a gun, and perhaps even decide to get some ammunition, I hope you will think twice if that gun is a shotgun. Why, if you ever fire one, you will be incapacitated! (At least according to Rare Hollister @5:49 pm).
Funny, I wonder why the women I saw shooting 12 gauge shotguns did not get incapacitated. Perhaps they were from some tribe of Amazons, or they were not told that a woman is to be incapacitated shooting a shotgun.
Rafe Hollister preparing for an Obamanist America
February 22nd, 2013
10:12 am
Partisay
You obviously don’t shoot at many birds, it is bird shot for birds. Buck shot, hint the name, is used to hunt deer with a shotgun. Shotgun ammunition also includes slugs, which some people use to hunt deer. Many people, including myself have used buck shot on deer. Close confined areas with limited sight lines are perfect for using a shot gun. Very hard to get off a shot with a rifle when a deer wanders into a close confined area with you present. They tend to move pretty quickly once they detect a human.
MarkV
February 22nd, 2013
10:15 am
Rafe Hollister @ 10:04 am
Rafe Holister, appealing to the authority of Adolph Hitler. Will wonders never cease?
Rafe Hollister preparing for an Obamanist America
February 22nd, 2013
10:16 am
MarkV
Showing your ignorance again, I said a double barrel 12 gauge and inexperienced women. A semi automatic which you probably observed being used by a woman “kicks” much less than a double barrel. Semi’s absorb more of the recoil by the action, but I’m not going to go off on physics with you as I am sure you know all about that, as you do with most things.
indigo
February 22nd, 2013
10:22 am
Aesop – 10:05
Nice dodge.
Just goes to show you are all hot air and no substance.
MarkV
February 22nd, 2013
10:24 am
Rafe Hollister @10:16 am
You assume, and wrongly. All were double barrel 12 gauge, and the shooters were not particularly
experienced women.
Rafe Hollister preparing for an Obamanist America
February 22nd, 2013
10:24 am
Rafe Holister, appealing to the authority of Adolph Hitler.
Mark, that is your game, I was just using him as a bad example. He is dead, and I am not worried about him, just the folks who try to use the policies he perfected for bringing a country around to his will.
JDW
February 22nd, 2013
10:25 am
@md…”Which is circle logic, as that same principle can be used to form a tyrannical gov’t”
Except of course, that that very same Constitution you misinterpret as giving you the individual and unfettered right to the arms of your choice governs our electoral process and precludes just that sort of thing…
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
February 22nd, 2013
10:26 am
MarkV can’t seem to figure out the similarities to Hitler and libs who want to take guns away from law abiding citizens.
Sad to say that there is no hidden meaning there to wordsmith his way out of.
Darwin
February 22nd, 2013
10:27 am
I will take the advice from the NRA – we’re under seige. Race riots and crime abound. Get your gun granny before it’s too late. It’s the end of the world. Be afraid. Be very afraid. It makes what Joe said pretty benign.
Rafe Hollister preparing for an Obamanist America
February 22nd, 2013
10:28 am
If they had shot one before and knew to expect the recoil, sure, that is experienced. Crazy uncle Joe was giving advice to be used by women, who had never shot one before. If you do not hold it firmly against the shoulder, you are going to be injured. I have seen some terrible bruises and a few lacerations when the recoil hit a person in the face. Takes some instructions and experience and it is not a pleasant experience, tolerable if you like shooting, but not pleasant. Not something you should advise a novice to attempt, was my point!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
February 22nd, 2013
10:30 am
Laughing my a$$ off this morning reading JDW pontificate on his misinterpretation of the Constitution.
But of course, he’s a lib, and knows everything – even though the Supreme Court and the Founding Fathers disagree solidly with him.
Even if Adolph Hitler doesn’t.
MarkV
February 22nd, 2013
10:31 am
Tiberius @ 10:26 am
Tiberius, as usual, cannot comprehend an argument, but is quick with making a stupid one. What else is new?
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
February 22nd, 2013
10:35 am
“The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing.”
This doesn’t apply to today.
The US Army would stomp a militia of gun nuts in about 5 seconds.
The days when an armed populace could overthrow the government are over. You can argue that’s for better or worse but its true.
So once again your comment means basically nothing,
Michael
February 22nd, 2013
10:35 am
At least this VP didnt shoot his friend in the face with the rifle. And Cheney is likely still able to carry a weapon. Geez.
MarkV
February 22nd, 2013
10:36 am
Rafe Hollister @10:28 am
“Crazy uncle Joe was giving advice to be used by women, who had never shot one before. “
Biden: “I said, ‘Jill, if there’s ever a problem, just walk out on the balcony here, walk out and put that double-barrel shotgun and fire two blasts outside the house.’ …”
Funny, where does Rafe gets the knowledge that Biden was giving advice to women, who had never shot on before? Is he intimately acquainted with Dr. Biden?
JDW
February 22nd, 2013
10:36 am
“Can’t be done, and just annoys the pig.”
Ahhhh “The Emperor” has returned…how are those new clothes working out for ya.
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
February 22nd, 2013
10:37 am
Even if Adolph Hitler doesn’t.
You can always tell which side is losing by which one brings Hitler into it.
bluecoat
February 22nd, 2013
10:37 am
sucking up to kyle-Indie he will email znd complain.
Rafe Hollister preparing for an Obamanist America
February 22nd, 2013
10:38 am
The days when an armed populace could overthrow the government are over. You can argue that’s for better or worse but its true.
More foolishness from Finn, tell that to the Libyans, the Syrians, or the Egyptians. Khadafi and Mubarek had all those airplanes and tanks and one of them is dead and the other in prison.
JDW
February 22nd, 2013
10:43 am
@Rafe…”More foolishness from Finn, tell that to the Libyans, the Syrians, or the Egyptians. Khadafi and Mubarek had all those airplanes and tanks and one of them is dead and the other in prison.”
Of course you ignore the fact that each of those countries severely restricts gun ownership.
http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/north-africa
It wasn’t guns in the hands of the populace that brought change.
Rafe Hollister preparing for an Obamanist America
February 22nd, 2013
10:44 am
Mark
Just more of your silly parsing arguments, if he was speaking of what only Jill was to do, then why was he telling the whole world about his advice to Jill? Media picked it up as Biden’s advice to get a double barrel shotgun.
Anyone gullible enough to assume, that there was anything rational behind one of Biden’s gaffe filled rants, is just not reachable. (Being kind there)
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
February 22nd, 2013
10:49 am
“Ahhhh “The Emperor” has returned…how are those new clothes working out for ya.”
This from the idiot who claims to know better than the Founding Fathers and multiple Supreme Courts.
Always knew JDW lived in a fantasy world.
Just never knew how completely unhinged from reality he was.
Rafe Hollister preparing for an Obamanist America
February 22nd, 2013
10:51 am
It wasn’t guns in the hands of the populace that brought change.
Yeah, they probably would have acted sooner had they been allowed to possess weapons or maybe their suffering would not have been as great, had their governments known they had the means to fight back.
Well, isn’t it great that other countries were able to step in and help those people whose governments had enslaved them. What if no countries allowed private ownership of firearms? What if the other governments decided they needed to stick together and never arm another countries populace, kinda like professional courtesy? We will not arm your slaves, if you will not arm ours.
TBone
February 22nd, 2013
10:53 am
At least this VP didnt shoot his friend in the face with the rifle. And Cheney is likely still able to carry a weapon. Geez.
The beat goes on and on and on …. George and Dick have been out of office for some time now. I think you guys need to develop some new updated material.
Kyle Wingfield
February 22nd, 2013
10:54 am
New post upstairs, folks.
Matz
February 22nd, 2013
10:54 am
I wonder…. are the folks who think the purpose of having one’s own personal arsenal is to protect us from an overbearing government the SAME people who are both proud and supportive of our nation’s unprecedented, unequaled, massive military industrial complex, with our bad-azz defense budget being TEN times that of whoever is in second place? “Scroo the hungry brats! We want the most expensive military in the world! And uh… my little basement full o’ firepower is gonna pertekt me from that military if’n the gubmint tries to use my money to feed somebody else’s little b-tard!” AS IF!
Just curious.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
February 22nd, 2013
10:55 am
“It wasn’t guns in the hands of the populace that brought change.”
You can tell that to Khaddifi the next time you speak to him . . . . wait! – you CAN’T speak to him because he’s DEAD!
By a GUN!
The stupid is running thick this morning.
Rafe Hollister preparing for an Obamanist America
February 22nd, 2013
10:57 am
At least this VP didnt shoot his friend in the face with the rifle.
The people who do not know the difference between a rifle and a shotgun, probably should move on to global warming or some other manufactured crisis. If Cheney had shot him in the face with a rifle, he probably would have been killed, rather than just have to have a few bird shot plucked out of his skin.
MarkV
February 22nd, 2013
11:03 am
Rafe Hollister @ 10:44 am
And you still know that he talked to “inexperienced women” right?
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
February 22nd, 2013
11:11 am
More foolishness from Finn, tell that to the Libyans, the Syrians, or the Egyptians. Khadafi and Mubarek had all those airplanes and tanks and one of them is dead and the other in prison.
We are talking about the United States of America.
Not Libya.
Partisay
February 22nd, 2013
11:15 am
Rafe…2 things:
Why would you say “You obviously don’t shoot at many birds, it is bird shot for birds.”
Is bird shot the smaller shot? Yes. Isn’t that what I said in my post? Yes. So why would you think I obviously don’t shoot at many birds? Because I didn’t put the word “bird” in front of shot? Just wondering.
“Close confined areas with limited sight lines are perfect for using a shot gun. Very hard to get off a shot with a rifle when a deer wanders into a close confined area with you present. They tend to move pretty quickly once they detect a human.”
Explain to me the difference in “getting off a shot” between a shotgun or a 30.06. If I am in a close confined area, I am going to be able to squeeze off a shot no matter if it’s a shotgun or a rifle. And does a deer detect a human quicker if he is sitting in a treestand with a 12 gauge or a rifle? I don’t think that would be a factor in the deer detecting a human.
Sorry for the confusion, but your post really made no sense. Especailly the last part. And I still say if you are hunting deer with a shotgun, you are definitely in the minority.
JDW
February 22nd, 2013
11:28 am
@Tiberius..”This from the idiot who claims to know better than the Founding Fathers and multiple Supreme Courts.”
See the difference between you and I is that I never claim to know the intent of the Founding Fathers nor do I purport to be an un-credentialed “expert” on the Constitution. I rely on those that actually do know something of the subject and data that supports my contention.
Lt Dan
February 22nd, 2013
11:30 am
Popular bumper sticker around here a vew years ago: I would rather go hunting with Dich Cheney than ride in a car with Ted Kennedy.
As to the people who are up in arms about the AR-15 (I could not resist that pun!), they should instead be wary of the person with a Remington 700 bolt-action & a Leopold scope (& the knowledge to use it well). Our sniper platoon’s motto was “don’t bother running, you will only die tired.”
Semper Fi!
JDW
February 22nd, 2013
11:34 am
@Tibeirius…”You can tell that to Khaddifi the next time you speak to him . . . . wait! – you CAN’T speak to him because he’s DEAD!”
Indeed he is, but it had nothing to do with an armed populace…
“At around 08:30 local time (06:30 UTC) on 20 October, Gaddafi, his army chief Abu-Bakr Yunis Jabr, his security chief Mansour Dhao, and a group of loyalists attempted to escape in a convoy of 75 vehicles.[7][8] A Royal Air Force reconnaissance aircraft spotted the convoy moving at high speed, after NATO forces intercepted a satellite phone call made by Gaddafi.[9] NATO aircraft then fired on 11 of the vehicles, destroying one. A U.S. Predator drone operated from a base near Las Vegas[8] (almost certainly Creech Air Force Base) fired the first missiles at the convoy, hitting its target about 3 kilometres (2 mi) west of Sirte. Moments later, French Air Force fighter jets continued the bombing.[10] The NATO bombing immobilized much of the convoy and killed dozens of loyalist fighters. Following the first strike, some 20 vehicles broke away from the main group and continued moving south. A second NATO airstrike damaged or destroyed 10 of these vehicles. According to the Financial Times, Free Libya units on the ground also struck the convoy.[11]”
“By a GUN!”
Indeed…one of his own…again note the lack of armed populace.
“According to one NTC fighter, one of Gaddafi’s own men also shot him in order to spare him from being arrested”
“The stupid is running thick this morning.”
Apparently a common occurrence at your house.
MarkV
February 22nd, 2013
11:40 am
Rafe, not for the first time, made a silly argument, and when it was pointed out, he has squirmed, snarled and tried to bite back by more silly arguments.
First he claimed that “Crazy uncle Joe was giving advice to be used by women, who had never shot one before.” But he could not show any evidence that that was the case. The only woman Joe Biden mentioned was his wife, and Rafe has not shown any knowledge of her experience. When that is pointed out, Rafe argues that by telling it to the world, he was giving advice to other women. True, but where does it shows that those are “women, who had never shot one before?”
The kind of thinking Rafe has exhibited might have been suitable some centuries in the past, even though even that is debatable. Let’s say that a woman, who does not have a shotgun, takes Biden’s advice and buys one. Then, according to Rafe, she would just put the shotgun in the rack and never ask how to use it, never shoot it. Really? Is that what Rafe thinks of modern women?
But there the fallacy of Rafe’s arguments does not end. As I argued before, the point of Biden’s advice is to scare the possible intruder without getting into a confrontation with him, as well as alert the neighborhood. If it actually happened, and even if the woman were “incapacitated,” what difference would it make, most likely? Would the intruder know it? He knows there is someone in the house with a shotgun. Is he going to investigate whether that person is incapacitated or whether that person waits for him with a reloaded shotgun?
Rafe Hollister preparing for an Obamanist America
February 22nd, 2013
12:04 pm
Partisay
You obviously have little experience in hunting or you would understand the argument for shotguns in tight spaces. The lack of time to aim is the reason you shoot a shotgun. A shotgun you just point and pull the trigger. A rifle has to be aimed more precisely.
Some hunting clubs restrict rifles from being used because a bullet from a rifle travels for miles, a shotgun pellet rarely makes it more than 300 yards or so before falling to the ground. Shotguns are used when deer are pushed by dogs. Hard to hit a running deer with a rifle.
Rafe Hollister preparing for an Obamanist America
February 22nd, 2013
12:05 pm
Another reason for a shotgun in close spaces, you a decent chance of hitting the deer when he spooks.
Rafe Hollister preparing for an Obamanist America
February 22nd, 2013
12:07 pm
Mark
The length of your argument does nothing to enhance its validity.
If Biden only wants to scare the intruder, she should just buy an airhorn or a pop gun.
MarkV
February 22nd, 2013
12:27 pm
Rafe Hollister @ 12:07 pm
“If Biden only wants to scare the intruder, she should just buy an airhorn or a pop gun.”
Yeh, that would definitely scare an intruder – who would be afraid of dying by airhorn or a pop gun.
Partisay
February 22nd, 2013
12:40 pm
Oh I see…so when you hunt with a shotgun, you don’t even aim. Don’t even look down the barrell. Just kind of hold it out there about waist level and pull the trigger. (That’s the explanation you just gave).
“a shotgun pellet rarely makes it more than 300 yards”
Hey, we’re not tallking little dinky “pellets” here. We’re talking about BUCKSHOT. You know, the big ones.
“Shotguns are used when deer are pushed by dogs.” So you use dogs to hunt deer with? hmmmmm. Hey we’re talking deer here….not hogs. Whatever happened “spooking” the deer. Hard to keep those dogs quiet.
Hillbilly D
February 22nd, 2013
12:53 pm
I know you can buy shotgun shells with large buckshot but MOST buckshot found in shells from a shotgun are small, BB like.
Buckshot refers to 00 shot, 9 pellets to the shell, in most cases. Smaller pellets aren’t buckshot.
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
February 22nd, 2013
9:06 pm
Partisay: do you know anyone who uses a shotgun to hunt deer? I don’t.
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You don’t get out much. Leave the bubble.
You got smacked down, now take it like a big girl.