Advice on self-protection in a gun-controlled America, courtesy of Crazy Uncle Joe
Only Joe Biden could promote gun control in a way that encourages people to break the law and is more likely to injure innocent people than potential threats.
First, here’s what Biden said, during a Facebook chat Tuesday, he had advised his wife to do:
“I said, ‘Jill, if there’s ever a problem, just walk out on the balcony here, walk out and put that double-barrel shotgun and fire two blasts outside the house.’ … You don’t need an AR-15 — it’s harder to aim, it’s harder to use, and in fact you don’t need 30 rounds to protect yourself. Buy a shotgun! Buy a shotgun!”
Now, in a secluded, mostly wooded area, like the one where Biden said he and his wife live in Delaware, that might not be the worst advice. Not the best, either, but not the worst. But not all Americans live like that. In fact, in his state’s largest city, his advice could land someone in jail. From U.S. News and World Report:
A sergeant with the Wilmington, Del., police department explained to U.S. News that city residents are not allowed to fire guns on their property.
The sergeant, who preferred not to be identified, said that Wilmington residents are also not allowed to shoot trespassers. “On your property you can’t just shoot someone,” he said. “You have to really feel that your life is being threatened.”
In fact, Biden’s advice could land his wife in jail in Delaware:
Defense attorney John Garey — a former Delaware deputy attorney general — agreed, and added that several criminal charges might result if Jill Biden took her husband’s advice.
“In Delaware you have to be in fear of your life to use deadly force,” Garey said. “There’s nothing based on his scenario alone” indicating a reason to fear imminent death, he noted.
There’s more at the link, including visual evidence to suggest the Bidens’ home isn’t as secluded as the vice president let on.
On one hand, the illegality of what Biden suggested has more to do with what one does with any weapon — it’s a lot closer to the controversy at the heart of the Trayvon Martin shooting, though not quite the same — rather than the specific kind of weapon one uses.
On the other hand, it’s rather ironic that Biden’s explanation for how you can still protect yourself in a world without “assault weapons” is that you could always … break another law.
– By Kyle Wingfield
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Partisay
February 22nd, 2013
11:15 am
Rafe…2 things:
Why would you say “You obviously don’t shoot at many birds, it is bird shot for birds.”
Is bird shot the smaller shot? Yes. Isn’t that what I said in my post? Yes. So why would you think I obviously don’t shoot at many birds? Because I didn’t put the word “bird” in front of shot? Just wondering.
“Close confined areas with limited sight lines are perfect for using a shot gun. Very hard to get off a shot with a rifle when a deer wanders into a close confined area with you present. They tend to move pretty quickly once they detect a human.”
Explain to me the difference in “getting off a shot” between a shotgun or a 30.06. If I am in a close confined area, I am going to be able to squeeze off a shot no matter if it’s a shotgun or a rifle. And does a deer detect a human quicker if he is sitting in a treestand with a 12 gauge or a rifle? I don’t think that would be a factor in the deer detecting a human.
Sorry for the confusion, but your post really made no sense. Especailly the last part. And I still say if you are hunting deer with a shotgun, you are definitely in the minority.
JDW
February 22nd, 2013
11:28 am
@Tiberius..”This from the idiot who claims to know better than the Founding Fathers and multiple Supreme Courts.”
See the difference between you and I is that I never claim to know the intent of the Founding Fathers nor do I purport to be an un-credentialed “expert” on the Constitution. I rely on those that actually do know something of the subject and data that supports my contention.
Lt Dan
February 22nd, 2013
11:30 am
Popular bumper sticker around here a vew years ago: I would rather go hunting with Dich Cheney than ride in a car with Ted Kennedy.
As to the people who are up in arms about the AR-15 (I could not resist that pun!), they should instead be wary of the person with a Remington 700 bolt-action & a Leopold scope (& the knowledge to use it well). Our sniper platoon’s motto was “don’t bother running, you will only die tired.”
Semper Fi!
JDW
February 22nd, 2013
11:34 am
@Tibeirius…”You can tell that to Khaddifi the next time you speak to him . . . . wait! – you CAN’T speak to him because he’s DEAD!”
Indeed he is, but it had nothing to do with an armed populace…
“At around 08:30 local time (06:30 UTC) on 20 October, Gaddafi, his army chief Abu-Bakr Yunis Jabr, his security chief Mansour Dhao, and a group of loyalists attempted to escape in a convoy of 75 vehicles.[7][8] A Royal Air Force reconnaissance aircraft spotted the convoy moving at high speed, after NATO forces intercepted a satellite phone call made by Gaddafi.[9] NATO aircraft then fired on 11 of the vehicles, destroying one. A U.S. Predator drone operated from a base near Las Vegas[8] (almost certainly Creech Air Force Base) fired the first missiles at the convoy, hitting its target about 3 kilometres (2 mi) west of Sirte. Moments later, French Air Force fighter jets continued the bombing.[10] The NATO bombing immobilized much of the convoy and killed dozens of loyalist fighters. Following the first strike, some 20 vehicles broke away from the main group and continued moving south. A second NATO airstrike damaged or destroyed 10 of these vehicles. According to the Financial Times, Free Libya units on the ground also struck the convoy.[11]”
“By a GUN!”
Indeed…one of his own…again note the lack of armed populace.
“According to one NTC fighter, one of Gaddafi’s own men also shot him in order to spare him from being arrested”
“The stupid is running thick this morning.”
Apparently a common occurrence at your house.
MarkV
February 22nd, 2013
11:40 am
Rafe, not for the first time, made a silly argument, and when it was pointed out, he has squirmed, snarled and tried to bite back by more silly arguments.
First he claimed that “Crazy uncle Joe was giving advice to be used by women, who had never shot one before.” But he could not show any evidence that that was the case. The only woman Joe Biden mentioned was his wife, and Rafe has not shown any knowledge of her experience. When that is pointed out, Rafe argues that by telling it to the world, he was giving advice to other women. True, but where does it shows that those are “women, who had never shot one before?”
The kind of thinking Rafe has exhibited might have been suitable some centuries in the past, even though even that is debatable. Let’s say that a woman, who does not have a shotgun, takes Biden’s advice and buys one. Then, according to Rafe, she would just put the shotgun in the rack and never ask how to use it, never shoot it. Really? Is that what Rafe thinks of modern women?
But there the fallacy of Rafe’s arguments does not end. As I argued before, the point of Biden’s advice is to scare the possible intruder without getting into a confrontation with him, as well as alert the neighborhood. If it actually happened, and even if the woman were “incapacitated,” what difference would it make, most likely? Would the intruder know it? He knows there is someone in the house with a shotgun. Is he going to investigate whether that person is incapacitated or whether that person waits for him with a reloaded shotgun?
Rafe Hollister preparing for an Obamanist America
February 22nd, 2013
12:04 pm
Partisay
You obviously have little experience in hunting or you would understand the argument for shotguns in tight spaces. The lack of time to aim is the reason you shoot a shotgun. A shotgun you just point and pull the trigger. A rifle has to be aimed more precisely.
Some hunting clubs restrict rifles from being used because a bullet from a rifle travels for miles, a shotgun pellet rarely makes it more than 300 yards or so before falling to the ground. Shotguns are used when deer are pushed by dogs. Hard to hit a running deer with a rifle.
Rafe Hollister preparing for an Obamanist America
February 22nd, 2013
12:05 pm
Another reason for a shotgun in close spaces, you a decent chance of hitting the deer when he spooks.
Rafe Hollister preparing for an Obamanist America
February 22nd, 2013
12:07 pm
Mark
The length of your argument does nothing to enhance its validity.
If Biden only wants to scare the intruder, she should just buy an airhorn or a pop gun.
MarkV
February 22nd, 2013
12:27 pm
Rafe Hollister @ 12:07 pm
“If Biden only wants to scare the intruder, she should just buy an airhorn or a pop gun.”
Yeh, that would definitely scare an intruder – who would be afraid of dying by airhorn or a pop gun.
Partisay
February 22nd, 2013
12:40 pm
Oh I see…so when you hunt with a shotgun, you don’t even aim. Don’t even look down the barrell. Just kind of hold it out there about waist level and pull the trigger. (That’s the explanation you just gave).
“a shotgun pellet rarely makes it more than 300 yards”
Hey, we’re not tallking little dinky “pellets” here. We’re talking about BUCKSHOT. You know, the big ones.
“Shotguns are used when deer are pushed by dogs.” So you use dogs to hunt deer with? hmmmmm. Hey we’re talking deer here….not hogs. Whatever happened “spooking” the deer. Hard to keep those dogs quiet.
Hillbilly D
February 22nd, 2013
12:53 pm
I know you can buy shotgun shells with large buckshot but MOST buckshot found in shells from a shotgun are small, BB like.
Buckshot refers to 00 shot, 9 pellets to the shell, in most cases. Smaller pellets aren’t buckshot.
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
February 22nd, 2013
9:06 pm
Partisay: do you know anyone who uses a shotgun to hunt deer? I don’t.
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You don’t get out much. Leave the bubble.
You got smacked down, now take it like a big girl.