Advice on self-protection in a gun-controlled America, courtesy of Crazy Uncle Joe
Only Joe Biden could promote gun control in a way that encourages people to break the law and is more likely to injure innocent people than potential threats.
First, here’s what Biden said, during a Facebook chat Tuesday, he had advised his wife to do:
“I said, ‘Jill, if there’s ever a problem, just walk out on the balcony here, walk out and put that double-barrel shotgun and fire two blasts outside the house.’ … You don’t need an AR-15 — it’s harder to aim, it’s harder to use, and in fact you don’t need 30 rounds to protect yourself. Buy a shotgun! Buy a shotgun!”
Now, in a secluded, mostly wooded area, like the one where Biden said he and his wife live in Delaware, that might not be the worst advice. Not the best, either, but not the worst. But not all Americans live like that. In fact, in his state’s largest city, his advice could land someone in jail. From U.S. News and World Report:
A sergeant with the Wilmington, Del., police department explained to U.S. News that city residents are not allowed to fire guns on their property.
The sergeant, who preferred not to be identified, said that Wilmington residents are also not allowed to shoot trespassers. “On your property you can’t just shoot someone,” he said. “You have to really feel that your life is being threatened.”
In fact, Biden’s advice could land his wife in jail in Delaware:
Defense attorney John Garey — a former Delaware deputy attorney general — agreed, and added that several criminal charges might result if Jill Biden took her husband’s advice.
“In Delaware you have to be in fear of your life to use deadly force,” Garey said. “There’s nothing based on his scenario alone” indicating a reason to fear imminent death, he noted.
There’s more at the link, including visual evidence to suggest the Bidens’ home isn’t as secluded as the vice president let on.
On one hand, the illegality of what Biden suggested has more to do with what one does with any weapon — it’s a lot closer to the controversy at the heart of the Trayvon Martin shooting, though not quite the same — rather than the specific kind of weapon one uses.
On the other hand, it’s rather ironic that Biden’s explanation for how you can still protect yourself in a world without “assault weapons” is that you could always … break another law.
– By Kyle Wingfield
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Rafe Hollister preparing for an Obamanist America
February 22nd, 2013
9:45 am
“Certainly one of the chief guarantees of freedom under any government, no matter how popular and respected, is the right of citizens to keep and bear arms … The right of citizens to bear arms is just one guarantee against arbitrary government, one more safeguard, against the tyranny which now appears remote in America but which historically has proven to be always possible.”
– Hubert H. Humphrey, Senator, Vice President, 22 October 1959
For the tikes on the blog, this was one of the leading liberals of his day.
JDW
February 22nd, 2013
9:45 am
@md…your redress as a US Citizen is always at the ballot box…not picking up your gun and hitting the streets.
Real Athens
February 22nd, 2013
9:46 am
Have to agree with Joe. We have an 870 in the closet of our bedroom – one in the chamber, safety on. I told my wife that if an intruder gets past the dog and is still in the house. Lock the bedroom room door. Call 911, grab the Remington and a box the box of shells, take cover behind the mattress. Take a deep breath, put the first round through the ceiling and the next one through the door.
azazel
February 22nd, 2013
9:47 am
some of this might make sense if firearms are the only means, one can think of, for self protection, but why limit yourself
Matz
February 22nd, 2013
9:52 am
@md…”I’m a self and you are a self, and you do not have the right to dictate as to what I can and can not do”
Unless you’re preggers. Then it’s totally everybody else’s beeswax, right? But it doesn’t stop there. See, if you are raped and actually (yeah right) seek justice on that, it’s everybody’s right to drag you through the mud for the sl*t that you probably are, before sending some nice man to jail for doing what you wanted him to do anyway. Oh yeah, and that gun? If you actually use it to stand your ground and protect yourself from being raped, expect to be prosecuted. (Ask the woman from Jax FL doing time for a warning shot why the “stand your ground” law does not apply to her.) In any case, in a “conservative” world, a woman WILL be dictated to, gun or no gun. Trust.
Partisay
February 22nd, 2013
9:52 am
Wow that Obamaphone worked well! All those fancy smancy tables and pictures!! I think you know well what I meant when I said buckshot. There’s buckshot and there’s shot. Most people around here refer to ALL of it has buckshot.
In one of your fancy picture’s there, it tallked about how the bigger shot is used for bigger game and it actually gave an example of a deer as the bigger game. Now, question for you (since you always have facts on your side), do you know anyone who uses a shotgun to hunt deer? I don’t. What do most people use shotguns to hunt? bird and small game like rabbitt, which of course uses smaller shot. That’s what most people buy when purchasing shotgun shells because that’s what most people shoot through their shotguns.
But, hey, maybe when you shoot your shotgun up in the air you buy the biggest buckshot you can buy. When I shoot mine up in the air, I’m shooting at birds.
md
February 22nd, 2013
9:53 am
“Actually the elected government does have a right to legislate those actions that impact others.”
Which is circle logic, as that same principle can be used to form a tyrannical gov’t…….
“One of the ordinary modes, by which tyrants accomplish their purposes without resistance, is by disarming the people, and making it an offense to keep arms, and by substituting a regular army in the stead of a resort to the Militia. The friends of a free Government cannot be too watchful, to overcome the dangerous tendency of the public mind to sacrifice to mere private convenience this powerful check upon the designs of ambitious men.
— Constitutional scholar and Supreme Court Justice Joseph Story”
Chap123
February 22nd, 2013
9:54 am
I really laud the IQ of the person who has done this indepth “analysis” about this statement from Biden . A statement which was made to convey that you dont need 100 round and an automatic weapon to scare away an intruder is twisted beyond recognition .
God help this country ! .I really wonder how such guys get a blog .
sailfish
February 22nd, 2013
9:56 am
rafe
Nobody is proposing to take away your guns, just trying to find a way to keep them out of the hands of the mentally unstable is the challenge. Let’s try to keep this debate in perspective, ok?
By the way I remember HHH or the happy warrior as he was called, but was pulling for nixon in 68 if you could believe that.
Rafe Hollister preparing for an Obamanist America
February 22nd, 2013
9:56 am
JDW
You obviously did not read the BloombergBusinessweek article. Bloomberg, Mr Gun Control, is not left wing? The article addresses many of the issues you addressed. What is fantasy, is living your life expecting someone else to take care of you and your family. Good luck with that, as they say when seconds count, the police are minutes away. In Chicago the police are so understaffed they have quit responding to routine calls like stolen cars, etc.
As they say about atheist in foxholes, I am willing to bet their are few home invasion victims who are anti gun.
Rafe Hollister preparing for an Obamanist America
February 22nd, 2013
9:59 am
“And that the said Constitution be never construed to authorize Congress … to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms…. ”
–Samuel Adams
md
February 22nd, 2013
10:00 am
“(Ask the woman from Jax FL doing time for a warning shot why the “stand your ground” law does not apply to her.) ”
Maybe because she went to the garage, got her gun and then made the CHOICE to go back into the house vs going into the garage and out the door………
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
February 22nd, 2013
10:02 am
md, never discuss the Constitution with JDW. It’s like trying to teach a pig how to dance.
Can’t be done, and just annoys the pig.
md
February 22nd, 2013
10:04 am
And Matz, there is a difference between firing a warning shot if being approached and going out and getting a gun and then taking the law into ones own hands IF one had the opportunity to leave.
You may have a point if the guy was armed……he wasn’t.
Rafe Hollister preparing for an Obamanist America
February 22nd, 2013
10:04 am
“The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing.”
– Adolph Hitler, Hitler’s Secret Conversations 403 (Norman Cameron and R.H. Stevens trans., 1961)
Aesop's Fables and other Lib Economic Theories
February 22nd, 2013
10:05 am
indie – Didn’t Kyle tell you to drop it?
md
February 22nd, 2013
10:06 am
” to overcome the dangerous tendency of the public mind to sacrifice to mere private convenience this powerful check upon the designs of ambitious men.”
And that is where I see jdw……merely my opinion.
Matz
February 22nd, 2013
10:07 am
md,
Nice dodge. I completely understand, though.
md
February 22nd, 2013
10:11 am
“Nice dodge. I completely understand, though.”
It’s not a dodge, it’s called logic…….and choices. She made the wrong choice…..
MarkV
February 22nd, 2013
10:12 am
Dusty @9:29 pm
Dusty,
If you have a gun, and perhaps even decide to get some ammunition, I hope you will think twice if that gun is a shotgun. Why, if you ever fire one, you will be incapacitated! (At least according to Rare Hollister @5:49 pm).
Funny, I wonder why the women I saw shooting 12 gauge shotguns did not get incapacitated. Perhaps they were from some tribe of Amazons, or they were not told that a woman is to be incapacitated shooting a shotgun.
Rafe Hollister preparing for an Obamanist America
February 22nd, 2013
10:12 am
Partisay
You obviously don’t shoot at many birds, it is bird shot for birds. Buck shot, hint the name, is used to hunt deer with a shotgun. Shotgun ammunition also includes slugs, which some people use to hunt deer. Many people, including myself have used buck shot on deer. Close confined areas with limited sight lines are perfect for using a shot gun. Very hard to get off a shot with a rifle when a deer wanders into a close confined area with you present. They tend to move pretty quickly once they detect a human.
MarkV
February 22nd, 2013
10:15 am
Rafe Hollister @ 10:04 am
Rafe Holister, appealing to the authority of Adolph Hitler. Will wonders never cease?
Rafe Hollister preparing for an Obamanist America
February 22nd, 2013
10:16 am
MarkV
Showing your ignorance again, I said a double barrel 12 gauge and inexperienced women. A semi automatic which you probably observed being used by a woman “kicks” much less than a double barrel. Semi’s absorb more of the recoil by the action, but I’m not going to go off on physics with you as I am sure you know all about that, as you do with most things.
indigo
February 22nd, 2013
10:22 am
Aesop – 10:05
Nice dodge.
Just goes to show you are all hot air and no substance.
MarkV
February 22nd, 2013
10:24 am
Rafe Hollister @10:16 am
You assume, and wrongly. All were double barrel 12 gauge, and the shooters were not particularly
experienced women.
Rafe Hollister preparing for an Obamanist America
February 22nd, 2013
10:24 am
Rafe Holister, appealing to the authority of Adolph Hitler.
Mark, that is your game, I was just using him as a bad example. He is dead, and I am not worried about him, just the folks who try to use the policies he perfected for bringing a country around to his will.
JDW
February 22nd, 2013
10:25 am
@md…”Which is circle logic, as that same principle can be used to form a tyrannical gov’t”
Except of course, that that very same Constitution you misinterpret as giving you the individual and unfettered right to the arms of your choice governs our electoral process and precludes just that sort of thing…
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
February 22nd, 2013
10:26 am
MarkV can’t seem to figure out the similarities to Hitler and libs who want to take guns away from law abiding citizens.
Sad to say that there is no hidden meaning there to wordsmith his way out of.
Darwin
February 22nd, 2013
10:27 am
I will take the advice from the NRA – we’re under seige. Race riots and crime abound. Get your gun granny before it’s too late. It’s the end of the world. Be afraid. Be very afraid. It makes what Joe said pretty benign.
Rafe Hollister preparing for an Obamanist America
February 22nd, 2013
10:28 am
If they had shot one before and knew to expect the recoil, sure, that is experienced. Crazy uncle Joe was giving advice to be used by women, who had never shot one before. If you do not hold it firmly against the shoulder, you are going to be injured. I have seen some terrible bruises and a few lacerations when the recoil hit a person in the face. Takes some instructions and experience and it is not a pleasant experience, tolerable if you like shooting, but not pleasant. Not something you should advise a novice to attempt, was my point!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
February 22nd, 2013
10:30 am
Laughing my a$$ off this morning reading JDW pontificate on his misinterpretation of the Constitution.
But of course, he’s a lib, and knows everything – even though the Supreme Court and the Founding Fathers disagree solidly with him.
Even if Adolph Hitler doesn’t.
MarkV
February 22nd, 2013
10:31 am
Tiberius @ 10:26 am
Tiberius, as usual, cannot comprehend an argument, but is quick with making a stupid one. What else is new?
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
February 22nd, 2013
10:35 am
“The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing.”
This doesn’t apply to today.
The US Army would stomp a militia of gun nuts in about 5 seconds.
The days when an armed populace could overthrow the government are over. You can argue that’s for better or worse but its true.
So once again your comment means basically nothing,
Michael
February 22nd, 2013
10:35 am
At least this VP didnt shoot his friend in the face with the rifle. And Cheney is likely still able to carry a weapon. Geez.
MarkV
February 22nd, 2013
10:36 am
Rafe Hollister @10:28 am
“Crazy uncle Joe was giving advice to be used by women, who had never shot one before. “
Biden: “I said, ‘Jill, if there’s ever a problem, just walk out on the balcony here, walk out and put that double-barrel shotgun and fire two blasts outside the house.’ …”
Funny, where does Rafe gets the knowledge that Biden was giving advice to women, who had never shot on before? Is he intimately acquainted with Dr. Biden?
JDW
February 22nd, 2013
10:36 am
“Can’t be done, and just annoys the pig.”
Ahhhh “The Emperor” has returned…how are those new clothes working out for ya.
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
February 22nd, 2013
10:37 am
Even if Adolph Hitler doesn’t.
You can always tell which side is losing by which one brings Hitler into it.
bluecoat
February 22nd, 2013
10:37 am
sucking up to kyle-Indie he will email znd complain.
Rafe Hollister preparing for an Obamanist America
February 22nd, 2013
10:38 am
The days when an armed populace could overthrow the government are over. You can argue that’s for better or worse but its true.
More foolishness from Finn, tell that to the Libyans, the Syrians, or the Egyptians. Khadafi and Mubarek had all those airplanes and tanks and one of them is dead and the other in prison.
JDW
February 22nd, 2013
10:43 am
@Rafe…”More foolishness from Finn, tell that to the Libyans, the Syrians, or the Egyptians. Khadafi and Mubarek had all those airplanes and tanks and one of them is dead and the other in prison.”
Of course you ignore the fact that each of those countries severely restricts gun ownership.
http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/north-africa
It wasn’t guns in the hands of the populace that brought change.
Rafe Hollister preparing for an Obamanist America
February 22nd, 2013
10:44 am
Mark
Just more of your silly parsing arguments, if he was speaking of what only Jill was to do, then why was he telling the whole world about his advice to Jill? Media picked it up as Biden’s advice to get a double barrel shotgun.
Anyone gullible enough to assume, that there was anything rational behind one of Biden’s gaffe filled rants, is just not reachable. (Being kind there)
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
February 22nd, 2013
10:49 am
“Ahhhh “The Emperor” has returned…how are those new clothes working out for ya.”
This from the idiot who claims to know better than the Founding Fathers and multiple Supreme Courts.
Always knew JDW lived in a fantasy world.
Just never knew how completely unhinged from reality he was.
Rafe Hollister preparing for an Obamanist America
February 22nd, 2013
10:51 am
It wasn’t guns in the hands of the populace that brought change.
Yeah, they probably would have acted sooner had they been allowed to possess weapons or maybe their suffering would not have been as great, had their governments known they had the means to fight back.
Well, isn’t it great that other countries were able to step in and help those people whose governments had enslaved them. What if no countries allowed private ownership of firearms? What if the other governments decided they needed to stick together and never arm another countries populace, kinda like professional courtesy? We will not arm your slaves, if you will not arm ours.
TBone
February 22nd, 2013
10:53 am
At least this VP didnt shoot his friend in the face with the rifle. And Cheney is likely still able to carry a weapon. Geez.
The beat goes on and on and on …. George and Dick have been out of office for some time now. I think you guys need to develop some new updated material.
Kyle Wingfield
February 22nd, 2013
10:54 am
New post upstairs, folks.
Matz
February 22nd, 2013
10:54 am
I wonder…. are the folks who think the purpose of having one’s own personal arsenal is to protect us from an overbearing government the SAME people who are both proud and supportive of our nation’s unprecedented, unequaled, massive military industrial complex, with our bad-azz defense budget being TEN times that of whoever is in second place? “Scroo the hungry brats! We want the most expensive military in the world! And uh… my little basement full o’ firepower is gonna pertekt me from that military if’n the gubmint tries to use my money to feed somebody else’s little b-tard!” AS IF!
Just curious.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
February 22nd, 2013
10:55 am
“It wasn’t guns in the hands of the populace that brought change.”
You can tell that to Khaddifi the next time you speak to him . . . . wait! – you CAN’T speak to him because he’s DEAD!
By a GUN!
The stupid is running thick this morning.
Rafe Hollister preparing for an Obamanist America
February 22nd, 2013
10:57 am
At least this VP didnt shoot his friend in the face with the rifle.
The people who do not know the difference between a rifle and a shotgun, probably should move on to global warming or some other manufactured crisis. If Cheney had shot him in the face with a rifle, he probably would have been killed, rather than just have to have a few bird shot plucked out of his skin.
MarkV
February 22nd, 2013
11:03 am
Rafe Hollister @ 10:44 am
And you still know that he talked to “inexperienced women” right?
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
February 22nd, 2013
11:11 am
More foolishness from Finn, tell that to the Libyans, the Syrians, or the Egyptians. Khadafi and Mubarek had all those airplanes and tanks and one of them is dead and the other in prison.
We are talking about the United States of America.
Not Libya.