Advice on self-protection in a gun-controlled America, courtesy of Crazy Uncle Joe

Only Joe Biden could promote gun control in a way that encourages people to break the law and is more likely to injure innocent people than potential threats.

First, here’s what Biden said, during a Facebook chat Tuesday, he had advised his wife to do:

“I said, ‘Jill, if there’s ever a problem, just walk out on the balcony here, walk out and put that double-barrel shotgun and fire two blasts outside the house.’ … You don’t need an AR-15 — it’s harder to aim, it’s harder to use, and in fact you don’t need 30 rounds to protect yourself. Buy a shotgun! Buy a shotgun!”

Now, in a secluded, mostly wooded area, like the one where Biden said he and his wife live in Delaware, that might not be the worst advice. Not the best, either, but not the worst. But not all Americans live like that. In fact, in his state’s largest city, his advice could land someone in jail. From U.S. News and World Report:

A sergeant with the Wilmington, Del., police department explained to U.S. News that city residents are not allowed to fire guns on their property.

The sergeant, who preferred not to be identified, said that Wilmington residents are also not allowed to shoot trespassers. “On your property you can’t just shoot someone,” he said. “You have to really feel that your life is being threatened.”

In fact, Biden’s advice could land his wife in jail in Delaware:

Defense attorney John Garey — a former Delaware deputy attorney general — agreed, and added that several criminal charges might result if Jill Biden took her husband’s advice.

“In Delaware you have to be in fear of your life to use deadly force,” Garey said. “There’s nothing based on his scenario alone” indicating a reason to fear imminent death, he noted.

There’s more at the link, including visual evidence to suggest the Bidens’ home isn’t as secluded as the vice president let on.

On one hand, the illegality of what Biden suggested has more to do with what one does with any weapon — it’s a lot closer to the controversy at the heart of the Trayvon Martin shooting, though not quite the same — rather than the specific kind of weapon one uses.

On the other hand, it’s rather ironic that Biden’s explanation for how you can still protect yourself in a world without “assault weapons” is that you could always … break another law.

– By Kyle Wingfield

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Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed

February 21st, 2013
3:28 pm

The sad part was his laughing at the question of protecting oneself before uttering his nonsense.

Nice to see him treating the filthy rabble with the disdain we knew he held us in.

bman.

February 21st, 2013
3:31 pm

So I shouldn’t bother with building a balcony as an add-on?

Hillbilly D

February 21st, 2013
3:32 pm

if there’s ever a problem, just walk out on the balcony here, walk out and put that double-barrel shotgun and fire two blasts outside the house.

Are those two “blasts” going to be aimed or are we just firing at random?

Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed

February 21st, 2013
3:37 pm

As with everything Biden says, Hillbilly D, the usual sequence is “Ready, fire, aim”!

Kyle Wingfield

February 21st, 2013
3:38 pm

Hillbilly: I assumed he meant two shots into the air, but I may be giving him too much credit.

Don't Tread

February 21st, 2013
3:42 pm

“You don’t need an AR-15 – it’s harder to aim, it’s harder to use, and in fact you don’t need 30 rounds to protect yourself.”

Joe seems to think he can tell others what they “don’t need”. (Seems to be a common theme among the liberals here too.) News flash Joe – an AR-15 aims exactly the same way and is no more difficult to use than a shotgun. I wonder if Jill will still be on her feet after letting loose with both barrels.

And you don’t have the right to tell me what I need and don’t need.

Don't Tread

February 21st, 2013
3:43 pm

The problem with firing shots in the air is (a) they land somewhere, probably somewhere you don’t want them to, and (b) it’s a waste of ammunition.

Drudge

February 21st, 2013
3:43 pm

Emptying both barrels indiscriminately from a balcony is way less dangerous than 12 rounds in a magazine in my safe, right?

Steve Dunbar

February 21st, 2013
3:43 pm

Is this really the best you can come up for a column?

Chris

February 21st, 2013
3:44 pm

Two 12 gauge shells will project 32 projectiles, larger than .223 rounds. An AR-15 only holds a maximum of 30 projectiles, all of which can be aimed precisely and shot one at a time. But hey, Elmer Fudd doesn’t look neawwy as scawwy as GI Joe.

Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed

February 21st, 2013
3:47 pm

Kyle, giving Biden any credit at all is giving him too much credit.

Liberal Pariah

February 21st, 2013
3:49 pm

If Biden’s wife actually knew how to fire a gun, would he still be around? Just askin’….

Jefferson

February 21st, 2013
3:49 pm

An IRS tax audit is funny to some.

1961_Xer

February 21st, 2013
3:53 pm

There is an anti-gun, mostly Democrat, war on women.
Those looking to ban guns don’t want women to be able to protect themselves. Threat of rape is not enough… a woman has to be in fear for her life. Even then, they would prefer the single woman to taser or pepper spray the group of 250lb men about to gang rape her rather than shoot them. How considerate of them. Or, the Democrats would offer that the 105lb woman should buddy up with another 105lb woman, so that both of them get assaulted at the same time (just ask students at Georgia Tech how the buddy system works against a perp with a gun).

Asking a Democrat about how to protect yourself is like asking a moron to do your taxes.

Liberal Pariah

February 21st, 2013
3:55 pm

Or asking Obama to actually govern and lead.

Aesop's Fables and other Lib Economic Theories

February 21st, 2013
4:00 pm

Not to mention that your gun will then be empty and most hardened criminals will be like, wow, I picked the home of a dummycrat and sure enough, he just disarmed hisself.

Can I get a duh?

Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed

February 21st, 2013
4:00 pm

And let’s not forget liberal Bob Beckel on Fox with his comments about defending yourself against rape on campus:

“During a discussion over whether concealed weapons could help prevent sexual assault on campuses, Beckel asked, “When was the last time you heard about a rape on campus?”

“What are you talking about? It’s rampant,” co-host Eric Bolling said.

“What are you going to take a gun out and shoot your date?” Beckel responded.”

http://www.upi.com/blog/2013/02/21/Fox-News-co-host-Bob-Beckel-apologizes-for-rape-remark/9451361455711/

Apparently he missed the 2010 Obama Justice Department study which showed that 25% of women on campus will either be victims of rape or attempted rape before graduation.

1961_Xer

February 21st, 2013
4:03 pm

p.s. Joe broke several firearm safety rules with that little speech.
First, it is illegal in most jurisdictions to simply shoot into the air.
Second, the person in the woods is not yet a threat, and it would be illegal to shoot AT him.
Third, it is not appropriate the shoot to “scare” someone. If you are going to pull the trigger, you need to shoot to kill.
Fourth, it is not appropriate to pull the trigger until the target is in the sights. This is true whether shooting at people or paper targets.

In a real situation, you will have a pump or semi auto shotgun that holds at least 5 rounds. You will hold your fire until the folks outside present an imminent danger. And if/when you shoot, you will shoot to kill… none of this “fire in the air” bullshiite.

Our vice president is an idiot.

Aesop's Fables and other Lib Economic Theories

February 21st, 2013
4:05 pm

I know that biden has been secluded in the company of his fellow dimwits like obozo and nasty pelosi, and I can kinda understand where their airhead faulty logic was sorta headed, what you want to do is, in a quite house middle of the night type situation, pull back the action of your Colt AR-15 Match Target HBAR .223 Remington and let it slam loudly forward and then watch your uninvited company be Gone With the Wind.

md

February 21st, 2013
4:06 pm

“Is this really the best you can come up for a column?”

I recall lot’s of columns on how to spell potato…….this is our VP, a guy we are supposed to look up to for leadership. The guy that is one step away from the WH.

To add to the not so logical comment from Joe, if it is dark and one is standing in the light of the doorway, a bad guy standing in the darkness can see much better than a person looking into the darkness……shooting (presumably) into the air does nothing but allow the bad guy to see that one has no clue what they are doing……

Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed

February 21st, 2013
4:07 pm

Not to mention that depending on the type of load in that shotgun, you’re going to make a much bigger mess than that AR-15 will make if you happen to hit your target.

Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed

February 21st, 2013
4:10 pm

Good point, md.

According to Joe, first make yourself an easier target, THEN disarm yourself in front of your assailant.

td

February 21st, 2013
4:10 pm

Biden is indeed an idiot.

Class of '98

February 21st, 2013
4:10 pm

This doofus is, at any given time, one heartbeat away from the Presidency of the United States.

That’s scary.

indigo

February 21st, 2013
4:12 pm

Kyle, I think he meant to fire two shotgun blasts into the air to scare off the intruder.

If I did this sucessfully, and the cops came, I would say “would you rather I have waited until the bad guy got into the house”?

MarkV

February 21st, 2013
4:12 pm

Kyle is inserting his own interpretation into Biden words to achieve his purpose, without any foundation for it.

What does he think Biden meant by “if there’s ever a problem?” A cat turning over a can of milk?

I would like to see a court that would send Dr. Biden to jail for discharging a gun outside the house if she is afraid of her life when a burglar is breaking into the house.

Quite reasonably, Joe Biden wants to save his wife from a confrontation with an intruder, which could end up his wife killing someone, or being killed in the confrontation. His advice is quite reasonable, because it would do two things – alert the neighborhood, and put the intruded on notice that there is a gun in the house, both accomplished much more quickly than calling 911, and most likely quite safely.

Aesop's Fables and other Lib Economic Theories

February 21st, 2013
4:13 pm

Double barreled shotguns are excellent choices when you cannot see the perp but you can hear him rattling the knob of the door he’s on the other side of.

Of course the coroner will have copious amounts of wood to remove from the deceased before he could embalm him but what eva.

Aesop's Fables and other Lib Economic Theories

February 21st, 2013
4:18 pm

Well, at least now the criminals know there is 47% chance that your intended victim will shoot his load into the sky instead of at you.

Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed

February 21st, 2013
4:19 pm

“Kyle is inserting his own interpretation into Biden words to achieve his purpose, without any foundation for it.”

No, not really. It’s pretty straightforward, even in your world of wordsmithing, MarkV.

“What does he think Biden meant by “if there’s ever a problem?” A cat turning over a can of milk?”

With Biden, anything is possible. Starting with the ridiculous and progressing on from there.

“I would like to see a court that would send Dr. Biden to jail for discharging a gun outside the house if she is afraid of her life when a burglar is breaking into the house.”

Well, if she discharges the gun off the balcony, it would clearly be BEFORE anyone got into the house, so there would be no proof that there was a burglary in progress, now would there?

Hillbilly D

February 21st, 2013
4:20 pm

Hillbilly: I assumed he meant two shots into the air, but I may be giving him too much credit.

That isn’t the brightest of tactics, especially in close quarters. What goes up, must come down.

md

February 21st, 2013
4:25 pm

“and put the intruded on notice that there is a gun in the house”

Unless the intruder is standing in front of that gun, the only thing that was accomplished was that the intruder now knows the gun is empty………

Hillbilly D

February 21st, 2013
4:25 pm

Double barreled shotguns are excellent choices when you cannot see the perp but you can hear him rattling the knob of the door he’s on the other side of.

That I’d have to disagree with. Never shoot through a door, as it violates the first rule of shooting, identify your target before you shoot. You never shoot unless you’re sure what you are shooting at, be it a deer, a person, or a tin can.

Jefferson

February 21st, 2013
4:25 pm

It would take an idiot to call the VP of the US an idiot, or a know-it-all. What are ya’ll ?

Aesop's Fables and other Lib Economic Theories

February 21st, 2013
4:30 pm

Not one of the 86 million idiots that elected him?

Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right

February 21st, 2013
4:33 pm

Jefferson, Google – Quayle, Dan.

I suspect your poutrage wasn’t as high back then.

Hillbilly D

February 21st, 2013
4:33 pm

Two 12 gauge shells will project 32 projectiles,

That varies according to type of shot, 00 buckshot it would be 18 pellets, birdshot would be many more, smaller pellets. If I was in a self-defense situation, I wouldn’t want to be using anything on the birdshot end of the range.

Kyle Wingfield

February 21st, 2013
4:34 pm

indigo and Aesop: If y’all insist on talking evolution, then until/unless I post something about it, keep it on the thread where that conversation started.

Steve

February 21st, 2013
4:37 pm

In his meandering way, Biden highlighted the idea of reasonable restrictions—something also backed by that notorious liberal Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia in the Heller decision, which overturned Washington, D.C.’s functional ban on handguns.

“Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose,” Scalia wrote. “For example, concealed weapons prohibitions have been upheld under the Amendment or state analogues. The Court’s opinion should not be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms.”

In less elegantly reasoned terms, Biden’s love for shotguns—and his argument for their practical benefits over AR-15s—stakes out the same essentially centrist ground. There is such a thing as reasonable restrictions. We can have a considered policy debate in a democracy that’s consistent with respect for the Second Amendment, driven by common sense rather than ideology. And that’s where die-hard opponents like the National Rifle Association are increasingly at a loss.
So despite all the disses, here’s to Joe Biden, who keeps the Obama White House grounded.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/02/21/joe-biden-s-shotgun-approach-to-politics-good-for-obama-administration.html

md

February 21st, 2013
4:38 pm

But Kyle, don’t you know that politicians now “evolve”. It’s the new excuse for not keeping campaign promises……a whole new chapter in the political arena.

MarkV

February 21st, 2013
4:38 pm

Tiberius @ 4:19 pm

Can Tiberius ever write something that would make at least a little bit of sense?

Tiberius: “Well, if she discharges the gun off the balcony, it would clearly be BEFORE anyone got into the house, so there would be no proof that there was a burglary in progress, now would there?”

Is it insanity, or some other kind of mental problem? Discharging a gun of the balcony is evidence that it was done BEFORE anyone got in the house? Only in Tiberius world.

Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right

February 21st, 2013
4:39 pm

Bless you, Kyle! :)

Steve

February 21st, 2013
4:40 pm

I do agree that Joe’s approach would not work in an urban area, but there are many areas where you could legally shoot warning shots with a shotgun on your property, and it would certainly scare off most intruders and alert your neighbors.

md

February 21st, 2013
4:43 pm

“There is such a thing as reasonable restrictions.”

Have you read the definitions in the last gun ban? They are illogical…..

Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right

February 21st, 2013
4:43 pm

Following MarkV ’s illogic, you hear an intruder at your front door, so go to your back balcony to scare them off.

Riiiiiiight. . . .

Aesop's Fables and other Lib Economic Theories

February 21st, 2013
4:44 pm

The only reason obozo picked biden is because he didn’t want someone smarter than him in the office and kim kardishian was busy doing otha things.

tibs – Does this comment meet your approval?

bookman parrot

February 21st, 2013
4:48 pm

To Steve
February 21st, 2013
4:37 pm
I thought the deputy dipstick in chief was bad, but you are saying jr. deputy dipstick in the grounding factor… OMG all jr. is … is a smart mouth jerk

Hillbilly D

February 21st, 2013
4:49 pm

Hopefully, I’ll never be in that situation but where I live, I’m 1000 feet from a road, 300 yards from my nearest neighbor and surrounded by woods. Nobody can even see my house and if I get in trouble, the cavalry ain’t coming. And where I live, nobody pays any attention to a gunshot or two, you hear them all the time.

So like I said, hope it never happens but if it does, I know it’s up to me to handle things.

Michael H. Smith

February 21st, 2013
4:50 pm

The non-sense of socialist liberals never ceases. Let these clueless fascist anti-liberty clowns continue to blather on. People who buy AR 15s’ intend to fend off more then an intruder.

MarkV

February 21st, 2013
4:58 pm

Tiberius @ 4:43 pm
“Following MarkV ’s illogic, you hear an intruder at your front door, so go to your back balcony to scare them off.”

Not in Tiberius’ world of delusion.

ATLNative

February 21st, 2013
5:03 pm

Biden needs to give up those ‘ludes!