DeMint: States can lead conservative comeback

Some people still don’t get what happened in November. The last person you’d want advice from would be a guy like James DeMint. I mean it’s almost comical. The Far Right continues to be drawn to a policy that is a complete fail among the educated, the young, minorities, and women; and no amount of “spin” or PR is going to correct that problem if you are willing to listen to extremists like DeMint. This is like self-destruction on automatic at this point.

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Ayniw Sue is so correct. But let us not forget the failure if the George W. Bush policies of lower taxes. Here’s how his “pitch” went…”let’s lower taxes to the lowest level they have been in fifty years or so.” His own Treasury Secretary told him that these cuts would cause massive deficits. So Bush fired him, and hired another one. Who told him the same thing. So he fired him and hired Hank Paulson, who was so enthralled with the position, he would have done anything the Presbo told him to do. During Dubya the Dumbs presidency, his tax cuts not only created jobs and made the economy stronger, but we had two recessions on his watch–the second one the worst recession since the Great Depression. He shed hundreds of thousands of jobs. But to rub salt on the wound, he spent money like a drunken sailor. We have seen similar outcomes with other low tax presidents. Under Reagan’s watch we also had recession and towards the end of his presidency the greatest Stock Market Crash since “The Big One” in 1929. The Market plunged over 20% in one day in 1987! So, with all due respect (NOT) to Mr. (I voted for every spending package Dubya tossed my way) Demint. We have tried your way many times. It has not and never will work. It has been test and found wanting. Why, why, why on Earth would we give you bozos another whack at it? And don’t even get me started on the Social programs you dingbats love to try to use to manipulate human behavior. I don’t think Dubya really believed the religious BS he spouted, he just did it to get the religious Rights’ votes. But Demint and others of his ilk DO believe God has told them to stand on the necks of those that don’t agree with them. They have the same mentality as the Catholic Church that has murdered millions of people throughout history because God is on their side. These are scary, scary, scary people. Oh, and let someone address why the Republicans are so good at getting plum jobs for the elected people that scare even the leaders of the GOP? Investigate why Demint was whisked away to run a nut job think tank. Why was Rodgers whisked away to a $150,000 a year job at GPB? The clowns are so funny. And the sad thing is they keep getting re-elected.

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The truth of the matter is that most people prefer to live in the 21st century, not the 19th where the Republican/Tea Party longs to dwell. In the 19th century they can wear their guns anywhere except where the Earps are the law, don’t have to pay for infrastructure, education, or healthcare and the survival of the fittest is the law of the land. The weak die fast and that’s the way Gawd intended, not a bunch of lazy freeloaders sitting around waiting for a handout!

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The conned states couldn’t last 5 minutes without fed money. While Make Me a Deal and the other con leaders of this state kick and scream about the deficit and spending in Washington, look at the money their taking to deepen the Port in Savannah. All hat and no cattle, just like W.

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Texas actually is one of the few red states that doesn’t get back much more tax money than it sends in (oil mainly is the reason). GA and SC are “takers” big time.

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What about the bed tax scam that these so-called principled conservatives didn’t even have the cajones to vote for either way? Yeah right, there are some responsible legislators at the Gold Dome.

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Sorry Kyle but the conservative movement has proven to be a country club of cronies who look out for wealth and power while trampling on everyone else. I’m not suggesting that the “progressive” path is going to be any better in the long run. But that is where we will be for a long time. At least until the money runs out. Too many liberals fail to realize that their lofty goals and social experiments require regular doses of money.

Conservatives have shot themselves in the foot so many times that they are now on the trailing edge of US politics. The “Gib me dat” and “gib me mo” mentality sweeping the nation will only be put down by a serious economic crash. Meanwhile conservatives have a LOT of soul searching to do about the values they preach as opposed to the values they practice.

While I don’t agree with the kind of “forced fairness” that the left wants to try, the fact remains that fairness in the US is a commodity with a price tag. If conservatives can lose the arrogance and learn to be humble, maybe they’ll win some hearts and minds back. Most Americans actually agree with things like marriage, taking care of their children and holding down an honest job. But knowing it’s all a rigged game has eroded Americans across the board.

It begins to look like the only way for conservatives to appeal to Americans in general will be when they are repairing the damage caused by progressive, feel-good-but-do-nothing programs. They have little choice now that we’re over the 51% gimme line. Cleanup duty is about all they will have left.
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jconservative

You are cherry picking stats. Each side could do the same and say if this. If that…

Move on, Romney lost

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The New Confederacy.

You’re brillant, Jim.

History? Not so much.

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“Turn these two figures around and you have a Republican president.”

Wave your wand over your hat and you have a rabbit.

Or look inside, and find something else…

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If anybody wanted a proof that DeMint was an idiot, Kyle’s has graciously provided it:

“I’m convinced if we have the right ideas, the right messengers, the right message, we can win,” DeMint told me…”

That is as if a lame weakling or a 95year old bed-ridden great-granddaddy said: If I had a young, strong body, and trained hard, I’m convinced I could win the Olympics.

That is pathetic.

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Demint as a spokesman for anything is doomed to failure. He was a disgrace as a Senator, and glad he has moved on to smaller things.

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If the Republican Party became a conservative-centerist party, they would offer a sensible alternative to the Democrats, who are becoming more liberal with each passing year.

If, however, they remain in the far-right Tea Party category, I don’t see them making any real gains.

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You’re up to date on the color of states that get back more from the feds than they send in, yes?

Which far-left Web site provided you with that distortion of reality? Or maybe you’ve been reading too much Paul Krugman the faux economist.

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“Which far-left Web site provided you with that distortion of reality? Or maybe you’ve been reading too much Paul Krugman the faux economist.”

See, I was wrong.
You’re not up to date.

As for Paul on Economics, he authors textbooks to inform the uninformed about the topic.
You?

Like the red states, you’re a recipient…

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You prefer hyperbole, Just Saying, okay the same then applies to you. You’re beyond help.

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The Progs are early risers today and Kyle must have gotten the rooster Hillbilly sent him.

Aynie Sue described the conditions before FDR as she likes to think they were, but to me it sounds more like the conditions in Cuba. The end result of this love of more government and more government spending, carried to the extreme is the Soviet Union. How did that work out for the workers, that traded one miserable existence for another?

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“You prefer hyperbole, Just Saying, okay the same then applies to you. ”

Ah, the “so’s yore ol’ man” argument.

“You’re beyond help.”

Actually, I’m beyond work. Just rotate between my three homes. See you at Spring Training…

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It’s rather amusing to watch the GOP’s slow, painful, death.

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Politico at 8:33 am

“jconservative
You are cherry picking stats. Each side could do the same and say if this. If that…
Move on, Romney lost.”

Actually the other side cannot do a similar scenario. Women are the largest “bloc” of voters. They are a must in today’s elections. Obama is only the 4th president in the last 100 years to win back to back presidential elections with over 50% of the popular vote. He carried the ladies both times.That puts Obama in rare historical company, whether one likes him or hates him. And the ladies vote is his major “bloc”.

As long as Republicans insist on “legitimate rape”, vaginal probes and etc they are not going to carry the ladies vote in a national election.

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Techfan

February 18th, 2013
6:56 am

That’s all we need. A bunch of the nutcase folks from the old Confederacy leading a comeback. Crazies like Paul “Pit of Hell” Broun, Rand “Sure you don’t have to serve blacks if you don’t want to” Paul, and the “I’ll take my ball and go home” folks like Lindsey Graham. Tennessee Williams on steroids and a quick demise of the USA.

You do understand that Rand Paul is the Senator from Kentucky and Kentucky was not part of the Confederacy? Understanding actual history and not just spouting talking points makes a person not look unintelligent.

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“You do understand that Rand Paul is the Senator from Kentucky and Kentucky was not part of the Confederacy”

Why, I can read the label on a fastball…
More important to realize the fastball is aimed at your head…

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You do understand that Rand Paul is the Senator from Kentucky…

Technically he’s “from” Pennsylvania but raised in Texas from the age of five.

He represents Kentucky

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The biggest mistake Conservatives have made is not starting the campaign to shift the power back to the states sooner.

The whole federal vs state situation got out of hand many years ago. Plus, the office of president has gathered too many powers over the years. An example of this is using executive orders to by-pass law. Another is the POTUS selectively enforcing law. Yes, both sides have done it, but that does not make it correct.

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JDW,

We need a federal budget, we need to significantly reduce spending, we need to reform entitlements and we need to expand the tax base. The European model has been a failure.

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Del @ 8:59

No state is on the verge of being 3rd world.

But you are welcome to frame it that way if it makes you feel better about yourself.

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The Progs are early risers today

Really, I thought this was a day off for all the government workers but here they are, posting their nonstop political nonsense on behalf of socialism.

What dedication!

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If you can recreate the Clinton era dynamic of growing revenue faster than spending you can solve the problem.

We do not have the leadership in place to do that! Obama does not share your zeal for this solution. He has not proposed one thing that was intended to grow the economy, he is too focused on how we divide the revenue.

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No state is on the verge of being 3rd world.

Politico, that’s not what I said. I said the nation is in danger of falling into that category. The present course is unsustainable. You can pretend otherwise but it would be delusional thinking.

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JDW, the Clinton dynamic as you’ve called it was a result of Clinton being forced to work with a Republican congress. Unfortunately, the current president refuses to move to the center and to lead. Here we are less than two weeks from sequestration, which was his idea and he hasn’t even offered up his own solution. The House has voted for one and it sits in the Senate. The Senate got out of town without even voting on the House version or the one they’ve crafted.

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Large urban centers, those primarily inhabitated by a dependent undereducated class are currently in control of the presidential elections. When the two-humped handout camel’s back eventually breaks, one might reasonably expect positive change to occur. Send more checks and fast.

By allocating votes by Congressional District Mitt Romney would have been the winner. Romney won a majority of US Congressional Districts and if the vote were distributed by Congressional District, instead of Winner-Take-All Mitt Romney would have emerged victorious.

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The GOP keeping talking about what they can do to change their current course, yet they continue to adhere to the same policies and what not that got them here in the first place. They also continue to alienate minorities, women, gays, and pretty much every other segment of the population that isn’t white and Christian. If they want to keep digging the hole they’re in, I’ve got a couple of extra shovels to donate.

I see Uncle Jed is spouting the usual talking points about why Obama won the election.

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Some “talking points” are simply the facts.

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“If you can recreate the Clinton era dynamic of growing revenue faster than spending you can solve the problem.”

OK, let’s put in place a GOP House and Senate, and NOT create an artificial dot.com economy that will bust later.

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Here’s the fact you need to remember Jed: Obama got re-elected because the GOP has allowed the inmates to take over the asylum. They are also trying their hardest to take this country backwards instead of forward.

It’s quite telling that the GOP wants to try and change the electoral system in this country. I guess putting forth viable candidates that people would actually want to vote for would take too much effort on their part.

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Republicans will make modest gains in the House in the off year election in 2014 and Democrats will hold the Senate. 2015 will be the last year for any chance of meaningful compromise as Obama will be a lame duck, and both party politicians gearing up 2016 Presidential campaigns.

This year after sequestration hits, there may be some compromise. The Obama SOTUS outline was dead before the liberals applauded – UNLESS there is tremendous compromise on their part when push comes to shove. The House HAS to agree. The relatively good news is if Obama and Democrats move toward the center from their socialistic rhetoric, the media will still make them out to be the winners and statesmen. Republicans need to remind themselves of this: “There is no limit to what a man can do or where he can go if he doesn’t mind who gets the credit.” — from Ronald Reagan’s First Inaugural Address, January 21, 1981

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@del…”Clinton dynamic as you’ve called it was a result of Clinton being forced to work with a Republican congress.”

Not correct. The two main planks of Clinton policy…tax rates and PAYGO were put into place with a Democratic majority in 93. When the Republicans wanted to cut more than Clinton he called the buff and won the shutdown fiasco.

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@Tiberius…”OK, let’s put in place a GOP House and Senate,”

We tried that…see Duhbya 2000-2006…it led to the mess we got now…no thanks

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JDW,

Not correct…Clinton caved on capital gains and the economy did well until the Clinton era dot.com bubble burst putting the country into recession.

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“Problem is that desire to spend is relative…compared to our peers we spend very little and outside of the military get even less.”

Bull, JDW!

You look at only one aspect of spending when you compare our spending to your favorite Euro-Socialist countries.

Of course, being a lib you forget that we are the United STATES of America, and forget the impact of individual state programs when it comes to spending.

But that’s OK. No one here expects you to tell the whole story when trying to make your erroneous points – just the story that fits your skewed world-view.

“We tried that…see Duhbya 2000-2006…it led to the mess we got now”

More bull.

It accelerated the mess, but it didn’t cause it.

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compared to our peers we spend very little and outside of the military get even less.

Yep, when you can depend on Uncle Sugar to provide the defense of your freedom, and you have little interest in self determination and individual liberty, the government can take and spend a whole lot more. Proletarians of the world unite, it beats work!

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The red states have the highest poverty rates, the worst education, the worst medical care, the highest infant mortality rates, the lowest school test scores…the Confederacy would be akin to a third world Mexico if left alone. Only Texas with it’s oil would do fairly well, despite itself.

Absolutely correct Steve.

Slowly the South would become a Theocracy with the Baptist Church wielding real power.

Oh and minorities and women would slowly start losing rights.

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The red states have the highest poverty rates, the worst education, the worst medical care, the highest infant mortality rates, the lowest school test scores…the Confederacy would be akin to a third world Mexico if left alone. Only Texas with it’s oil would do fairly well, despite itself.

And in spite of this, we are so appealing that folks keep leaving the blue states nirvana and moving here. I meet a couple from MI just yesterday, raving about what a wonderful place this is to live.

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Well, I am sorry to see that Bookman no longer has a blog. Obviously he doesn’t. So I would like to welcome those who are anxiously awaiting Kyle every morning. Do let me welcome Aynie Sue (always first). Buzzy, Techfan, Deborainathens, Travis McGee, Cherokee, Cutty, Skip, Grob, HADB, Politico,and JDW in their mad rush to join us conservatives. Good to see you. We knew you would see the “light”.

And you are right, we are not a third world country. No sirree. No third world has a president playing golf in Florida all weekend (plus his security) while the missus goes skiing out west with the kiddies ( and security). Not even Chavez and Castro have that much fun even when they aren’t sick.

Yep, our president shows us how to live it up and not be a boring ol’ third world country. Every communithy organizer knows how to manage the greens and he hasn’t lost his touch.

DEBT? Nothing to it! Forget it! Such thinking will make you miss the ball on every swing.

So welcome, you ol’ Dem swingers. You’ve come to learn and we’ll show you how. NO, AquaGirl, I did not forget you. Even hopeless cases are welcomed here.

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@ td – I’ll give you the data mining and turnout argument. Dick Morris and Karl Rove were very wrong. But beating an incumbent is rare, and maybe impossible with an adoring liberal media. Obama made history by winning re-election by a smaller margin than when there was no incumbent.

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Sounds about right, punish the responsible…

Kinda like, why rob a bank according to Willie Sutton.

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TD, it’s so funny that you claim that the Democrats “brainwashed the uninformed voter”, because that’s exactly what the right does on a regular basis. They are very good at getting people to vote against their own self interests. But go ahead and keep trying to convince yourself that the utter tomfoolery of the GOP wasn’t a big contributor to losing this last election.

You are correct about the Dems being light years ahead of the GOP when it comes to technology. The GOP’s old guard is causing the party to get left behind in a lot of areas.

Centrist, I want you and other people to please stop using the excuse of “the liberal media.” First off, most media is corporate owned, so you’re never going to find out the 100% truth about anything. That being said, maybe the GOP should put forth better candidates if they are so concerned about being treated fairly by the so-called liberal media.

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(Brainwashed the uninformed voter) and then they contacted them over and over again until they got them to go vote.

Dittoheads say, “What?”

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“tax rates and PAYGO were put into place with a Democratic majority in 93.”

Hmmm……and the when the dems took control in 2008, they again passed PAYGO, and proceeded to put in in the bottom drawer ever since.

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Wonder how the masses are going to react if/when they find out their Ga pension is being cut in order to fund the much bigger pensions in CA?

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“the lowest school test scores…”

Hope you aren’t basing that on SAT scores…..if you are, you owe it to yourself to do a bit more research.

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getalife posted “Stay the course.”

That was done by making 99% of those subject to the Bush tax rates made permanent under Obama.

But sequestration is going to at least slightly change course on spending.

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“I want you and other people to please stop using the excuse of “the liberal media.” First off, most media is corporate owned, so you’re never going to find out the 100% truth about anything.”

Bingo……and those corps are led by people, people with agendas to more precise.

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Sorry, that should have read, DJ Sniper-speak.

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If you can’t beat him join him to get things done.

Look at the polls on the issues to see the support from the majority for President Obama.

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Majority rules.

Deal with it.

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The American People (elderly, women, minorities, gays & lesbains, Christians, Muslims & Jews, etc.) elected President Obama again with another landslide victory in 2012 and Jim DeMint and all the other “Old Southern White Guys” are running for the hills.

The American People should be mad as hell. The Heritage Foundation is a 501 (c)”corporate welfare” organization. Jim DeMint is a poster child for the homegrown terrorist group(s) known as the “tea party” (klansmen, skinheads, militia’s, birther’s, etc.). The “tea party” weapons are hatred, fear and bigotry against the American People.

The tea party is dead. No longer can the GOP rely on winning all the southern states and rally the rebels (old White Guys) in a few northern states to win the White House. The GOP must recruit “moderate” candidates and create a strategy that includes ALL American’s to hold on to as many seats as possible in the House and Senate in the 2014 midterm elections and re-capturing the White House in 2016…

The American People

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I don’t think calling the majority “dumbmasses” will help “fix” your failed party but by all means, stay the course.

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getalife,

You said: If you can’t beat him join him to get things done. (President Obama, of course.)

But but GETALIFE, I don’t even know how to play golf. What’s a girl to do?

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“But but GETALIFE, I don’t even know how to play golf. What’s a girl to do?”

“Now watch this drive.” w.

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“your failed party”

Once again, NOT my party. But do blather on, getalife.

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Keep on believing that “liberal media” myth if it helps you sleep better.

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ROBERT 11:40

“Old Southern white guys!” That’s what you said and you get detention this afternoon.

We don’t allow bigotry here . Shame! The president won’t even let you be his caddy anymore and that’s a full time job..

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Some guests here don’t know how to behave.

FINN, please wash your mouth out with soap. There are ladies present.

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Yes Obama and Tiger playing golf.For all we know they may have been splitting some white oak during the time.

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The economy is so bad now that I heard Exxon had to lay off 25 Congressmen.

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Bruno @ 12:01

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sorry, off topic but an excellent article on the paths of Elizabeth Warren: 1) keep quiet, don’t rock any boats, and go on to bigger things than Senator like Hillary and Obama. 2) Rock the heck out of it and just keep working to make this a better country.

I prefer choice #2.

http://www.salon.com/2013/02/18/beltway_to_elizabeth_warren_shhh/

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“Understanding actual history and not just spouting talking points makes a person not look unintelligent.”

Comprehension of History and English are equally important in a Liberal Arts education

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I don’t recall hearing anything calling Romney a murderer and a felon. Sure, some questions were raised on taxes and and layoffs, but no one placed those around his neck.

Just more Con excuses for having yer arse handed to you in a general election. Ouch! Body Slam-a-rama

“Down Goes Romney, Down Goes Romney, Down Goes Romney”

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“I don’t recall . . . .”

Color me shocked.

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The Progs are early risers today and Kyle must have gotten the rooster Hillbilly sent him.

I swear that rooster was alive when it left here!

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Rafe: None of these stats on Red States taking fed dollars include the fact that retirees move here, most federal military installations and defense plants are here, and the percentage of minority population is higher in Red States. Lies, damn lies, and statistics.

Rafe–Please don’t confuse these Libs with facts. It takes all of the wind out of their talking points.

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Just more Con excuses for having yer arse handed to you in a general election. Ouch! Body Slam-a-rama

“Down Goes Romney, Down Goes Romney, Down Goes Romney

Finn–Most people give up taunting around the 2nd or 3rd grade. What happened to you??

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“Finn–Most people give up taunting around the 2nd or 3rd grade. What happened to you??”

Aesop and Little Barry say what?

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I swear that rooster was alive when it left here

HD–One of my former employees had a rooster which she let run free, and she couldn’t understand why all of her neighbors were pissed. So that you understand better, they lived in a high-density neighborhood in Norcross.

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Those who were going to spike the ball when they thought Romney was going to win and the Supreme Court was going to strike down Obamacare say what?

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Bruno

If I lived in a high density neighborhood, anywhere, I think a rooster would be the least of my gripes.

Of course, I have the occasional bear in the yard here, so a rooster ain’t no big deal.

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getalife posted concerning the European economies: “True, austerity failed badly. Lets not do that crap here to repeat their mistake.”

Austerity?? Good grief, have you missed the European sovereign-debt crisis and the term PIIGS (Portugal, Italy, Ireland, Greece) and France not far behind that is dooming the Euro? Are you aware Europe is back in recession?

We ARE repeating their mistake.

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Years ago, Republican party chair Rich Bond explained that conservatives’ frequent denunciations of ‘liberal bias’ in the media were part of ‘a strategy’ (Washington Post, 8/20/92). Comparing journalists to referees in a sports match, Bond explained: ‘If you watch any great coach, what they try to do is “work the refs.” Maybe the ref will cut you a little slack next time.’”

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” ‘I admit it,’Bill Kristol told The New Yorker. ‘The whole idea of the ‘liberal media’ was often used as an excuse by conservatives for conservative failures.’”

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“Are you aware Europe is back in recession?

We ARE repeating their mistake.”

Actually, it is a triple dip recession and the gop have focused on austerity instead of job growth for four years.

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Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten

February 18th, 2013
12:23 pm

Rafe: None of these stats on Red States taking fed dollars include the fact that retirees move here, most federal military installations and defense plants are here, and the percentage of minority population is higher in Red States. Lies, damn lies, and statistics.

This has been debunked many times.

There are more minorities in Chicago than the entire state of Georgia.

You just make up this BS as you go. The population of Chicago is 2.6 million and 14% are African American or about 300,000 African Americans. Georgia has a population of about 3 million African Americans. Do a little math.

http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/17/1714000.html

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I’ve never seen Dick Morris as a conservative. He worked for the Clintons, for a long time, after all. In my view, he’s a hired gun who will say whatever somebody pays him to say, which means he has a whole lot in common with most talking heads on the TV.

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“The liberal bias of the mainstream media tilts so far left that any outlets not in that political lane, like the Drudge Report and Fox News Channel, look far more conservative than they really are, according to a UCLA professor’s new book out next month.

In a crushing body blow to the pushers of the so-called “Fox Effect,” which claims the conservative media is dragging the left into the center, UCLA political science professor Tim Groseclose in Left Turn claims that “all” mainstream news outlets have a liberal bias in their reporting that makes even moderate organizations appear out of the mainstream and decidedly right-wing to news consumers who are influenced by the slant. [Read Fox's Huckabee slams MSNBC's Matthews, Scarborough over bias.]

“Fox News is clearly more conservative than ABC, CBS, CNN, NBC and National Public Radio. Some will conclude that ‘therefore, this means that Fox News has a conservative bias,’” he writes in an advance copy provided to Washington Whispers. “Instead, maybe it is centrist, and possibly even left-leaning, while all the others are far left. It’s like concluding that six-three is short just because it is short compared to professional basketball players.”

What’s more, he says, “this point illustrates a common misconception about the Drudge Report. According to my analysis, the Drudge Report is approximately the most fair, balanced, and centrist news outlet in the United States. Yet, the overwhelming majority of media commentators claim that it has a conservative bias. The problem, I believe, is that such commentators mistake relative bias for absolute bias. Yes, the Drudge Report is more conservative than the average U.S. news outlet. But it is a logical mistake to use that to infer that it is based on an absolute scale.”

http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2011/06/16/book-liberal-media-distorts-news-bias

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I think trusting Germany is another mistake.

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Wrapping up two years as public editor of The New York Times, veteran journalist Arthur Brisbane last week reflected on the liberal slant that often pervades the news coverage of what is still the most influential brand in American newspapers.

“The hive on Eighth Avenue,” he wrote, referring to the Times’s headquarters, “is powerfully shaped by a culture of like minds — a phenomenon, I believe, that is more easily recognized from without than from within.” He credited the papers’ editors and reporters with trying to enforce “fairness and balance” in their presidential campaign coverage. But by and large, what appears in the Times “virtually bleeds” with “political and cultural progressivism.” The result is that “developments like the Occupy movement and gay marriage seem almost to erupt in the Times . . . more like causes than news subjects.” (The Boston Globe is owned by The New York Times Company.)

Brisbane isn’t the first Times ombudsman to say all this. A predecessor, Daniel Okrent, was even more forceful in 2004. “Is the Times a Liberal Newspaper?” asked the headline on his final column. “Of course it is.”

Liberal media bias isn’t merely in the eyes of conservative beholders. Large pluralities of the public routinely tell pollsters that the news media are too liberal. At least some journalists concede the point. There are so many left-leaning journalists, ABC’s then-political director Mark Halperin observed in 2006, “that it tilts the coverage quite frequently, in many issues, in a liberal direction.” On C-Span last March, Politico’s executive editor Jim VandeHei said there was “no doubt” about the dominant mindset within the profession: “If you put all of the reporters that I’ve ever worked with on truth serum, most of them vote Democratic.”

Yet denial is widespread. At the Republican convention in Tampa last week, ABC’s chief political correspondent George Stephanopoulos — who first gained fame as a former aide to President Clinton — was asked whether he sees a liberal bias in the media. “I don’t,” he answered tersely. When the question was repeated, Stephanopoulos walked away.

Is this willful blindness? By my lights, the leftward tilt of the “mainstream” news broadcasters — ABC-CBS-CNN-NBC-NPR — is as self-evident as the rightward tilt of the notable exception, Fox News. But human beings have a great capacity for believing in their own objectivity. If you are “surrounded by a culture of like minds,” as Brisbane wrote of the “hive” at The New York Times, it’s easy to assume that your own political prejudices represent the neutral center. When nearly everyone in the newsroom is a liberal Democrat, casting conservatives and Republicans — and their ideas — in a negative light can become second nature.

But maybe that wouldn’t be such a problem if news organizations were more forthright about hoisting their ideological colors. For decades newspapers and broadcasters have tried to maintain a façade of impartiality. Reporters and editors cover political developments and public controversies that generate strong, even emotional, views. Yet they are expected to keep their own strong and emotional views — which everyone knows they have — entirely separate from their coverage. The ideal of objective, unbiased journalism may be admirable. But I wonder if it doesn’t cause more distortion than it prevents.

Consider the mainstream media’s fixation on the supposed racism of the Republican Party. Republicans canceled the entire first day of their convention last week in response to the threat posed by Hurricane Isaac. (They did the same thing in response to Hurricane Gustav in 2008, when their convention was in Minnesota.) Clearly the GOP was at pains to show respect for those in the storm’s path. That didn’t prevent David Chalian, Washington bureau chief of Yahoo News, from declaring heatedly that Republicans were “not concerned at all,” but were “happy to have a party with black people drowning.”

Chalian didn’t realize he was speaking into a live mike. His slander was publicly broadcast, and Yahoo fired him. I have no sympathy for Chalian, whose slur was contemptible. But is political journalism really elevated when it’s OK for reporters and editors to express such toxic prejudices among their colleagues in private, so long as they dissemble when the camera or mike comes on?

Better to have media bias than media that only pretend not to take sides. As long as news organizations don’t hide or deny their strong partisan leanings, viewers and readers can make up their own minds. Let Fox and CNN and the Times and The Wall Street Journal wear their political biases on their sleeves. We would have less sanctimony about the purity of journalism, and a more freewheeling marketplace of ideas.

“That’s the way it is,” Walter Cronkite used to say. But there never was just one way to report the news. Maybe it’s time the pretense stopped.”

http://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2012/09/05/jacoby/wDrjO3kelodOSnF33wDSiK/story.html

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“According to my analysis, the Drudge Report is approximately the most fair, balanced, and centrist news outlet in the United States”

Dang that is ignorant.

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Cheesy claiming anyone’s credibility is lost is about as ironic as it can get . . . .

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hired gun, but after being let go from Fox, I guess one can say he is a tired gun as well

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So why are the neocons mad all day ?

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td,

It is corporate media that have a corporate bias.

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Dusty

Nice swing and a miss

That would be the Bill Kristol who works for Fox and the Weekly Standard

Try again

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So why are the neocons mad all day ?

That is their natural disposition.

For those who want to know the truth.

Rachael Maddow ( Yes she is very liberal ) is doing a great piece on exposing the outright lies told to the American people leading to the disaster in Iraq.

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“You dont cut spending during bad times. That only makes it worse.”

Obviously didn’t read the link on Germany or do any other research on Germany……they did it and are continuing to do it and will have a structurally balanced budget by 2014. So to say it doesn’t work is a bunch of huuuey…………

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Dusty,

Where is @@?

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POLITICO Put on your glasses.

I said:”Maybe Bill Kristol tells jokes sometimes. His brother tells a lot of ‘funnies’.

Get it? Probably not. .

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“It is corporate media that have a corporate bias.”

Ummmm……all media is corporate media, unless one wants to count the occasional individual blogger…….and most heads of said media have and opinion, hence an agenda.

In the old days, a good journalist was one in which the reader/viewer could not tell as to what party/view a jounalist might favor, now they wear it on their sleeves……on both “sides”.

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I see I wasn’t the only one who got a kick out td and his polls. He was quick to post any and every poll that showed the possibility of Romney winning the election.

As for those articles he posted about the so-called “liberal media”: One of those articles was already doomed when the author actually called the Drudge Report fair and accurate. As for Fox News, it’s common knowledge that they have no problems twisting and distorting the truth for their base.

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“In the old days, a good journalist was one in which the reader/viewer could not tell as to what party/view a jounalist might favor, now they wear it on their sleeves……on both “sides””

Now, corporate media run 24/7 so they have to have something to talk about.

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md,

Germany is back in a recession too.

Balancing the budget may make you feel good but another w could win to blow it out again.

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“I’m not saying that Germany isn’t doing right for Germany, but is there growth rate higher or lower than the US at this point in time?”

Does it matter what the growth rate is when they are achieving a balanced budget and are lowering unemployment? Get those 2 right and the growth will take of itself.

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In the old days, a good journalist was one in which the reader/viewer could not tell as to what party/view a jounalist might favor, now they wear it on their sleeves……on both “sides”.

Amen to that.

EU

My view on the European Union is that it was doomed the day it started. Too many different cultures, ideas, philosophies, etc, with centuries old history of conflict for it to ever work. Bigger ain’t always better, often it isn’t. As soon as Germany figures out they’re toting the mail for everybody else, it’ll start to come unhinged. Maybe they can manage to do it without killing off a few million of each other, this time.

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etalife

February 18th, 2013
12:58 pm

The time to cut is at full employment but you cut too much and go back to a recession and massive layoffs..

You have to be very careful because the global economy depends on a strong US economy.

There are no actual REAL cuts actually even be proposed by either party (except in the military). Point out to me one study that shows one department decreasing the amount of money they currently receive in future years (not based on current anticipated increases)?

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td,

Read the CBO reports on the sequester.

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getalife,

I was wondering myself about @@. Don’t know why she isn’t posting. I hope everything is OK. She’s been with us a long time. Always interesting.

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“Rachael Maddow ( Yes she is very liberal ) is doing a great piece on exposing the outright lies told to the American people leading to the disaster in Iraq.”

Can’t wait to see how many PDB’s she attended in the Oval Office to back up her claims of “lies”.

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Maybe @@ has achieved her dream of moving to the flatlands in LA (Lower Alabama) (IWH)

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Robert, I’m not a member of ANY party. I’m a Constitutionalist.

You’re not ready to debate at that high a level.

You are also not authorized by me to put words in my mouth.

You may speak for you, and you alone. Any attempt to speak for a group such as “the American People” shows you to be a liar.

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what ever pmsnbc has to say

Aesop, doing his part to insure Democrat supremacy. Bravo sir. Dependable as ever.

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Hillbilly D,

I am surprised it lasted so long too.

But the bigger surprise is how a communists country like China changes to keep their economy going.

They use stimulus in large job projects and their infrastructure is very good.

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Aesop, doing his part to insure Democrat supremacy.

aq – If people choose to be stupid, against all the overwhelming evidence, who am I to stop them?

But the one thing you can be positively sure of, I will never join them.

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getalife

In my opinon, China is a big bubble waiting to pop. They have several problems on the horizon, one is that they have an aging population (remember the one child policy) and the other is that as people start to live better, they inevitably want a bigger slice of the pie. Regardless of what economic system it uses, China is what it always was (since the Revolution) a totalitarian state. That’s the common thread through all of it, those in power won’t give it up voluntarily.

Tiberius

You might enjoy this book if you haven’t read it.

http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/ratification-pauline-maier/1102002804?ean=9780684868547

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You wouldn’t believe how many pissed off dummycrats there are out there, these toadstools who voted for obozo thinking they were going to stick it to the Man, and now they are getting pounded by tax hikes and obozocare.

Can you say over reach?

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Dear Politico,

Still watching for typos… Poor baby. Try to widen your outlook a bit. That might help.

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“There are reports by one minister saying they will avoid recession and some reports say they are in a recession.”

They can’t be “in” recession until after this quarter, so no they are not in recession.

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@Aesop’s Fables – Congratulations!!!…You are the 2nd person to admitt being a member of the homegrown terrorist group(s) known as the “tea party” (klansmen, skinheads, militia’s, birther’s, etc.). What branch are you affiliated? Your family, friends and neighbors know who you are. Thank you for taking off your hood, sheet and combat boots. Welcome to the civilized world.

The American People (elderly, women, minorities, gays & lesbians, Christains, Muslims & Jews, etc.) who voted for President Obama in 2008 & 2012. Thank you God…

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md,

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2013/feb/14/eurozone-crisis-live-recession-germany

If they show growth this quarter, you are technically correct but overall the EU’s economy is pathetic.

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You are not your

See I typo as well

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md,

If you read their history, they turned to socialism after revolution because income equality was horrible.

So, if you don’t want socialism here, you have to address income equality.

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Canada did not buy into the mortgage scam and ended the penny.

They use socialized health care and their economy is doing well.

I think we should look at what works in other countries and use these ideas like ending the penny.

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md,

When the top 1% controls all of the wealth, people give up and start a revolution.

Read history.

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“When the top 1% controls all of the wealth, people give up and start a revolution.”

All what wealth?

That is your problem, along with those that think like you. There is no limit on the wealth in this country when we live in a global economy.

Answer this, and maybe, just maybe you may see the light……how did China get so big so quick?

Hint, it has to do with shipping them our wealth.

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md,

Lets start with a no brainer like raising the minimum wage:

http://srv116.services.gc.ca/dimt-wid/sm-mw/rpt2.aspx?lang=eng&dec=5

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“Am I supposed to become mindless too?”

That ship sailed with a birth certificate.

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“how did China get so big so quick?”

Globalization, cheap labor, good infrastructure, quick government actions, etc…

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break time…….

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Like I said, raising the min. wage to compete with other countries that already raised it is a no brainer.

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“Globalization, cheap labor, good infrastructure, quick government actions, etc…”

AFTER they unleashed capitalism and WE (along with others) sent them our capital….ie wealth.

That wealth gap folks like to rail against is self inflicted……..

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Finn–Most people give up taunting around the 2nd or 3rd grade.

The finer moments in life should be savored over and over again – like a good cheese or wine. Otherwise we forget how sublime life can be.

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“dictating that they have to pay more usually means they have to let someone go……….”

Maybe, maybe not

There is this thing called supply and demand. Depending on what is being sold, the market climate / price elasticity of that product or service, the company will be able to pass anything from zero to almost all of the costs. It is usually going to be a split to some degree or another.

If letting someone go will result in less ability to service the client that may not be an option. In some cases it will and others it will not.

It is not as cut and dry as you are depicting.

While I don’t see raising the minimum wage as the panacea that some on the left see it has, I also don’t buy into the same tired rhetoric that the right brings out each time there is a proposed increase.

Are there studies that show businesses operating in states or cities with higher minimum wage levels have less workers for the same type operations as their counter parts were the minimum wage level is lower?

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“Like I said, raising the min. wage to compete with other countries that already raised it is a no brainer.”

Dumbest post of the day.

What do you think is going to happen, getalife? All those minimum wage earners are going to flock to other countries to work, when they can’t afford the money to take a one-week vacation each year?

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The old GOP model is broken beyond repair. No longer can the GOP rely on carrying all the southern states and rally the rebels (old White Guys) in a few northern states to win the White House.

The GOP must create a strategy that includes ALL the American People (elderly, women, minorities, gays & lesbians, Christians, Muslims & Jews, etc.) if they want to be considered a serious political party. The GOP must recruit “moderate” candidates and hold on to as many seats as possible in the House and Senate during the 2014 midterm elections as well as re-capturing the White House in 2016.

The latest Polls suggest that the next President of the USA will most likely be a Woman, LGBT or a Hispanic candidate in 2016. Our children will grow-up in a America that looks and acts just like they do.

The GOP must clean-up the mess left behind by the homegrown terrorist group(s) known as the “tea party” (klansmen, skinheads, militia’s, birther’s, etc.). The “tea party” is dead. Thank You God.

The American People…

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“Our children will grow-up in a America that looks and acts just like they do. ”

Inherently stupid if the results of this past Presidential election are any indication.

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@Aesop’s Fables – “Why would anyone question NRA? Do you have a problem with the 2nd Amendment?”

I hate cowards who hide behind the nra like they have real power. The nra is only a mouth piece for the gun industry. Nothing else.

Do you have a problem with the 13th Amendment?”

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This foundation is paying DeMint over one million dollars a year to try and ” GOP Johnny Rebonize ” our nation.. No doubt South Carolina and Georgia will continue to lead on this one.

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robert – The Republicans freed the slaves, created the 13th amendment, passed the civil rights act and don’t warehouse blacks in housing projects like liberals do. You can respond to me with your gibberish filled rant about the “southern strategy” but then I will just consider you to be just another rote moron. The only reason you liberals even suffer minorities is because you want their votes.

Now insult me by calling me gay, genius.

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Robert, the mere fact that you have to ask these questions of me proves your ignorance about me, therefore, your opinion of me is based on ignorance.

Typical lib in judging others without facts.

But always judging nevertheless.

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Sorry, wrong forum.

In my best Roseann Roseanna Danna voice….

“never mind”…

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@Aesop’s Fables – Only in the deep, deep south do you hear idiots like you trying to justify your personal opinions. I hope you do not own gun(s). If you do own gun(s) I hope you had a mental health screening and a background check. Your family, friends and neighbors are in danger. You are a real crazy person.

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The Republicans freed the slaves, created the 13th amendment, passed the civil rights act

Aesop is doing a fantastic job campaigning for Rutherford B. Hayes and Richard Nixon. Those poll numbers will be soaring upwards any day now!

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@Aesop’s Fables – How old are you? I think you need a history lesson. The day President Johnson signed the Civil Rights Bill he said “the South will not vote Democrat again”. Thus all Southern Democrats (KKK) became Republicans…

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Stay the course.

You are doing a heck of job.

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How did I know he wouldn’t mind being considered a rote moron?

”These Ne-gro-es, they‘re getting pretty uppity these days and that‘s a problem for us since they‘ve got something now they never had before, the political pull to back up their uppityness. Now we‘ve got to do something about this, we‘ve got to give them a little something, just enough to quiet them down, not enough to make a difference.”

~Lyndon B. Johnson (Democrat)

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So, the North Korean side being the one that is ‘fracking’ and screwing up the water and causing un-natural earthquakes. Ok. Just wanted to make sure we were clear, because I can see N. Korea wanting to frack up the earth like that.

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Definitely the ‘messengers’ fault. Nobody likes racist, homophobic, overtly religious, holier-than-thou, chauvinistic, bellyachin’ old white guys anymore. It’s time not just to open the tent, but to erect a completely new one. But, even THEN we STILL know fracking is bad for our world, immigration reform is good, guns need to be more regulated, gays should be able to marry, and rich people should be paying more in taxes. Sooooo….. looks like it’s a no-win for the GOP.

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Change the messengers, message, and ALL OF IT!

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Lead conservative maybe but lead neo-conservative, never. They can’t even manage their own political party

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Robert, allowing people to keep more of what they earn isn’t a gift.

Unless you have the mistaken belief that it is government’s money to begin with.

As I suspect you do.

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Jihadist urges Muslims to ‘take England’ by seeking welfare…

It’s probably easier in obozo’s USA but whatever.

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“They say. . . .”

Usually uttered by people who don’t actually know anything.

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Kinda like people who presume to speak for ” the American People

Like we heard pre-election: “Obozo is done. The American people are tired of this clown.”

Like that?

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Wouldn’t it be great if we lived in a country where ALL Americans were treated EXACTLY the same! All would have the SAME rights under the law, regardless of race. In that country, each person would be taxed the SAME tax rate, no matter what their income was and ALL income would be taxed at that rate with no deductions. In that way, the market would pick the winners and losers, not the government. Then, add a balanced budget to the constitution and raise or lower the rate depending upon if there is a surplus or a deficit. The rate could be changed each year. We then could have all the entitlements we would be willing to pay for, but not more. In this way, ALL would have skin in the game, and all would be more frugal.

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Honestly, twenty, fifty, even a hundred years from now what will people fondly remember about clinton and obozo? Two of the most corrupt, dishonest, perverted posers that ever held the office?

Reagan and Lincoln would slap you across your filthy mouth.

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aq – The 13th Amendment was ratified in 1865. Andrew Johnson was the president. What does Rutherford Hayes have to do with this? Are you even aware of our non pmsnbc history?

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Aesop

And speaking of being corrupt, the Democrats surely have their crooks and cronies but no administration has ever had more officials investigated, indicted and convicted than your hero Reagan’s administration

Just the facts little boy blunder, just the facts

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Aesop

Hate is your gig. You have nothing that I posted that says about hate…. Your hate projections and impications are you just mirroring yourself onto others…

Nice try, little buddy

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Conservative comeback??? The dinosaurs are gone and aren’t coming back, correct?

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politico – Look, I completely understand your position in this discussion, that being you having two total clowns as your reference to greatness. Pigs will lift off the ground and fly, a marvel of “evolution,” before obozo and clinton are ever consider higher than like 23rd or 24th. I’ve got Reagan, a sure top fiver. We can see why you hate this.

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Look at who kookman’s trotting around this afternoon, cherry picking his quotes. Even if I smoked crack I would never even consider quoting LBJ or FDR. When you have such lame animals in your stable, you search around for better stock. Why do you libs always find a Republican to latch onto?

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indie – The NRA is able to comprehend what the Constitution says. Meanwhile, you are on the same side a pol pot and stalin. When YOU question MY intelligence it only confirms my superiority.

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Finn…..not sure where you live, but the strip malls around me are still half vacant with stores still closing every other week. Those are the mom and pops you want to saddle with higher labor costs while right now they are doing dishes themselves and pay little Johnny down the street to help out. They would love for business to pick up so they can hire little Joe, but folks like you are making it difficult for them…….

Then there is this little problem we have with jobs going offshore. The US consumer is buying all the cheap crap from China as it is and now you want the US to up their labor costs that are already 4x what they are in these developing countries……..I guess that makes sense to someone.

You plan on raising the minimum wage, you best be dictating to the consumer that they have to support their neighbors new raise by buying the goods and services made here, otherwise the hole just gets deeper and even more jobs flee to the sanctity of cheap labor……

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md

Some of those mom and pops you speak of had bad business plans, timing, marketing, etc.

I’m a one man band who augments with other consultants I partner with when needed… Obama or no President has or will keep me down

Tying it just to political perspective and narrative is a fool’s game of stupidity.

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Companies use consultants so that they can avoid the tax and regulatory compliance issues of hiring a full time employee to do the same work and here’s politico, a consultant no less, marveling over the wonders of an enormous government.

clueless

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This below is a great link to show how the GOP at the state level is paving the way for responsible government. With one glaring exception (Texas) GOP-led states are either in balance or close to balance, while Democrat states are frequently not.

It’s also fun to play with who is in power (governors or legislatures) and whether it is shared. Also interesting to see which states recently went from blue to red in some areas, and how they’re improving (Wisconsin, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Michigan).

Either way, an interesting look.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/politics/state-budget-crisis/

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Dear MarkV

You asked a simple question so I will give you a simple answer.

You don’t spend money when you don’t have any. If you are in debt, you don’t have any money to spend.

That principle also applies to our country. We are rich in resources but we are not rich in finances. We are in debt. Trillions!

I’d stay with you longer but i am” oven-sitting” two Cornish hens and some wild rice. I don’t want them to get too wild.

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” but as stuck in your own political narrative as anyone that doesn’t fit your political views and narrative.”

And I’ll say it again, it’s not politics, it’s business math.

If company A only has $30 in it’s budget for labor, it has 2 choices with the variables of the current rate of $7 and the projected rate of $9.

9 into 30 = 3 employees

7 into 30 = 4 employees

It really is no more difficult than that.

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Amazing how liberals can’t get past that simple math, isn’t it, md?

Election night Karl Rove says, “What?”

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Yes, I understand, you have been brainwashed to hate Reagan because he brought America back from the brink

He also tripled the National Debt.

Tripled.

That is what Reagan did.

He also cut and ran like a coward from Beirut when the barracks were bombed there pulling all the Marines out and not retaliating.

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Here is some simple math

92 killed at American embassies under Reagan.

33 killed at American embassies under Bush.

4 killed at American embassies under Obama.

Simple enough for you ???

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Coalition of States?

Uh, does Mr. DeMint understand that the Federal government is, for all intents and purposes, a Coalition of States?

Then again, once upon a time there was this confederacy of states that pushed back against the federal government by forming a new government and new separate country.
Just saying no didn’t work out so well back then, as I remember?

The better route to correcting the things the leftest got wrong will be to win both houses of Congress and the White House and then proceed with the constitutional process to remove the mistakes. But, BUT… the GOP might want to consider this part of scripture before they go about healing the land: Physician, heal thyself.

Oh, and this use of the term “the entitlements” that we conservatives toss around far too carelessly… um, we need to remember who paid for those SS and Medicare benefits, they are not unmerited gifts from some good government redistribution fairy – we the recipients paid for them!

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Kamchak doesn’t know the difference between “projections” and math.

Not surprising.

And not surprising that when faced with an unassailable argument, Cheesy and Kamchak deflect to another issue (and ignore history in doing so). Of course, these are the arm-chair generals who likely never served a day in their lives and call for us to not be involved in military adventures when it suits them, but seem to think that not escalating one back in Reagan’s day is considered “cutting and running”.

On second thought, cutting and running is what liberals do best anyway.

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…cutting and running is what liberals do best anyway.

Sarah Palin says, “What?”

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md

Suck that AA teet and I promise my work ethic, education, skill and know how will always beat out your tired rhetoric of the right..

I wish you no ill will but if you did as well as you tout via your political rants, you might be something.

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Suck it md

You have bo “CHOICE”

I do, weekling

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No, not bo

Bo would be bo and luke duke

Hahahahaha

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Politico is so impressed with himself, and we look on with amazement and confusion.

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Art Laffer on CNBC August 2006:

-”The United States economy has never been in better shape!”

-”Monetary policy is spectacular!”

-”This economy…is working beautifully!”

Too funny!

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Dusty @ 5:02 pm
“You don’t spend money when you don’t have any. If you are in debt, you don’t have any money to spend. “

Dear Dusty,

Thank you for your answer. Good luck with your Cornish hens- one of my favorites.
Now to your answer. You have formulated it the way that suggests “us,” or “you” and “me,” in other words, ordinary people, so I will deal with it that way.

Most people have some debt, whether it is credit card debt, car debt, mortgage debt, equity debt, etc. If what you wrote were true (“If you are in debt, you don’t have any money to spend“), none of those people could live, because they could not spend – buy food, pay rent, etc. How do you explain that?

I will look forward to your answer when you can get away from your hens.

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All of the liberal hellholes have high tax rates and high debt burdens to go along with them. Meanwhile, all of the Republican led states have low tax rates and balanced budgets

We have been over this ground before.

The blue Democratic states basically support the extremely poor uneducated southern states.

Why the South wouldn’t even have electricity if the Feds didn’t step in and do it for them.

The South and most red states are a drag on the US economy and a joke.

Red states – Extremely low education levels. Poverty. High teen pregnancy rates. Lower levels of healthcare. Republican

Blue States- Robust economies- Higher education levels. Less poverty – Higher levels of healthcare. Democrat

This stuff is pretty simple.

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Oh, and blaming is also a choice……

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Although nearly 90 percent of urban dwellers had electricity by the 1930s, only ten percent of rural dwellers did. Private utility companies, who supplied electric power to most of the nation’s consumers, argued that it was too expensive to string electric lines to isolated rural farmsteads. Anyway, they said, most farmers, were too poor to be able to afford electricity.

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The blue Democratic states basically support the extremely poor uneducated southern states.

The top five are blue states and the red states in the top ten all of military installations. Thanks for trying.

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When is Barry going to do something about gas prices?

I continue to ask and ask it louder of Barry, meanwhile at the same time I ask of my own political side, why haven’t we done something about not only gas prices but why don’t we commit to finding profitable alternatives to compete against fossil fuels.

After all, we conservatives say we believe that competition is the best regulator and regulations of capitalist markets.

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“Art Laffer on CNBC August 2006:

-”The United States economy has never been in better shape!”

-”Monetary policy is spectacular!”

-”This economy…is working beautifully!”

Too funny!”

Well there are facts and there are facts. The economy was in fact doing well in 2006. It was doing very well according to the various economic data. A quick review of economic history shows that the recession didn’t hit till 2007. Typical libs- never let the facts get in the way of an argument.

Economy Gained Strength In 2006
Growth Dispels Recession Fears

By Nell Henderson
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, February 1, 2007; Page A01

The U.S. economy turned in a surprisingly strong performance last year, new data show, growing 3.4 percent despite higher interest rates, high oil prices and the sharpest housing downturn in 15 years.

The report from the Commerce Department, showing that economic growth picked up in 2006 from the 3.2 percent growth of 2005, dispelled any lingering doubts about the momentum of the economy going into this year. Many economists predict growth will slow this year, but gone are the recession worries of last summer.

A team of workers spreads concrete for the basement floor of a new home in Erie, Colorado Monday, September 18, 2006. Builders probably started work last month on the fewest new houses in three years as higher mortgage rates discouraged home buyers, economists said ahead of a U.S. government report today. (Kevin Moloney/Bloomberg News.)

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“Nothing, other than an external shock, will derail the economy this year,” said Eugenio J. Alem?n, senior economist at Wells Fargo. “The economy’s in good shape.”

Unemployment and inflation fell last year while wages and salaries rose at their quickest pace in five years, according to a series of recent government reports. The reports suggest that troubles in housing and manufacturing, though painful for many people, have not caused the widespread economic damage that many experts had feared.

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The debate I see here about minimum wage deals, in my view, with a wrong question, whether the minimum wage “should be raised.” The only true question is whether there should be a minimum wage at all. Those opposing the raising of the minimum wage should be honest and make their argument against any minimum wage law.

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The “evidence” from cheesy’s “research -”

The debate may be moot, though, because research shows that minimum wage is no longer connected to employment levels.

According to a 2012 study—if minimum wage kept up with increases in worker productivity—it should be $21.72 an hour, The Huffington Post reported.

Doesn’t even deal with employment levels, just more mindless babbling.

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Md

Keep sucking that AA nipple. It works for you so I’m not mad

But I do call it as it is and as a left leaner I do well in this society without your weak minded one way perspective and narrative

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“The key is raising minimum wage adversely affects youth unemployment, which is at a ridiculous alarming level under Obamanism, already.”

It not only affects youth employment but affects black employment in particular. But then cheesy grits isn’t one to let mere facts get in the way of commonly known empirical evidence.

“As far back as the Roosevelt administration during the Great Depression of the 1930s, liberal Democrats imposed policies that had counterproductive effects on blacks. None cost blacks more jobs than minimum-wage laws.

In countries around the world, minimum-wage laws have a track record of increasing unemployment, especially among the young, the less skilled, and minorities. They have done the same in America.

One of the first acts of the Roosevelt administration was to pass the National Industrial Recovery Act of 1933, which included establishing minimum wages nationwide. It has been estimated that blacks lost 500,000 jobs as a result.

After that act was declared unconstitutional, the Fair Labor Standards Act of 1938 set minimum wages. In the tobacco industry alone, 2,000 black workers were replaced by machines, just as blacks had been replaced by machines in the textile industry after the previous minimum-wage law.

Fortunately, the high inflation of the 1940s raised the wages of even unskilled labor above the level prescribed by the minimum-wage law. The net result was that this law became virtually meaningless, until the minimum-wage rate was raised in 1950.

During the late 1940s, when the minimum-wage law had essentially been repealed by inflation, 16- and 17-year-old blacks in 1948 had an unemployment rate of 9.4 percent, slightly lower than that of whites the same ages and a fraction of what it would be in even the boom years after the minimum-wage rate kept getting increased by liberal Democrats.”

And on top of that 1948 was a recession year. I’ll have to look it up but I also think that historically going back even further than the 1930s and 1940s that black youth employment levels were roughly the same and in some years even better than white youth unemployment levels before minimum wage levels were enacted. And that was at a time when racism was far more rampant and even legal in the south.

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clinton left Bush with a recession too, only difference is that Bush didn’t sit around whining about clinton and then dragging it out his entire term in office.

Longest recession eva – obozo’s.

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Md

You are as “radical” and “extreme” as anything you call out…

You know no middle ground…. At least in how you express yourself on these blogs

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President Clinton wanted investors to go to green energy.

w chose the housing scam and uttered these famous words,

“This sucker could go down” and it did.

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So cry to w about high gas prices.

He could have chosen green energy .

President Carter was dead right about oil.

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nixon was a nasty con that started the war on weed.

How much did his war cost?

Don’t know because they are still wasting billions on it.

Cut it.

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Nixon started the war on drugs or just started calling it a war?

This country had war on drugs began long before Nixon was born.

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Time to go get some dinner. Looks like 2 libs are now more educated on economic matters so at least something was accomplished on the blog today.

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Oh and Jimmy who went the wrong way with his idea of implementing “green energy”.

Geothermal heating and cooling puts the GREEN in green energy. Solar water heaters via roof top panels and connecting pipes of the ’70s, fools-gold.

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Thulsa

You are more Richard than fact

But you know that alreadyd

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“Keep sucking that AA nipple. It works for you so I’m not mad”

Can’t debate with you if I have no idea what you are even talking about.

As for me, I base most of my posts on one simple truth…..that we choose everything we do.

Now, if you can show me where that is incorrect, I’ll gladly listen…….

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Enter your comments here

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“We may have but government has made a bundle of money off drugs, legal and illegal and government just keeps on winning and winning.”

Great, legalize weed and tax it to make more money for the debt.

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The key to stopping the recession in 2009 and keeping Bush’s economic engine humming right along was to not elect the dummycrats to the House of Representatives. We blew that chance but maybe we’ll learn next time around. liberals = stagnation.

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cons = obstruction.

Get your party out of the way of free commerce.

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Maybe the gop should surrender and work on “fixing” their failed party.

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Great, legalize weed and tax it to make more money for the debt

Yeah, and figure out how to pay to treat the addictions and all the other socio-economic ills from legalizing drugs and tell the profiteering government to take a flying leap.

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Other countries and smart people are paying a premium for gold because they know the US dollar will never survive obozo.

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“Yeah, and figure out how to pay to treat the addictions and all the other socio-economic ills from legalizing drugs and tell the profiteering government to take a flying leap.”

Prohibition never works and makes the gangs very rich.

The killings in Chicago are knocking off the competition just like Capone.

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What are your principles Aesop?

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Goodnight all.

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Limited government, you know, what worked for two hundred years before you libs forced your way into power.

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Screwing workers is one of your principles?

You might want to rethink that self defeatist.

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Give me Krispy Kreme, any day.

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Why are you so against common sense, gitmo?

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D – Just think of what that donut will cost once obozocare is in full effect. No matter how good it tastes, you’re still gonna be like “damn, $4?”

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W fell for the aisle reaching nonsense. You got him for it, no doubt about that.

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No, the Americans elected a cavalcade of lies.

The smoking gun is the mushroom cloud.

We will be greeted as liberators.

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al qaeda is on the run?

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“The gop attack on the American worker made Americans use common sense and fire the gop.”

Must be time for the stagnant wages chart so the masses can understand that the american worker is the one that attacked the american worker…….

http://www.epi.org/publication/webfeatures_snapshots_archive_02282001/

It is NOT coincidence that wages are flat as imports continue to climb……and who keeps buying the imports?

Yep, that would be those with the stagnant wages……

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The Wall Street Journal, the public relations dept. of corporate America comes out with a piece against raising the minimum wage?

I’ll act all shocked and awey if it will make you feel any better.

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Empirical evidence?

From where?

AmSpec?

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Uh, huh.

And I have a hot date with Hannah Davis lined up for this evening.

At the Holiday Inn Express.

After my dinner with Morgan Fairchild.

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Currently, 47% of Democrats are satisfied with the direction of the country, up from 39% in January and the second highest recorded since early 2010. The high came during a brief period before the November 2012 election when Democrats’ satisfaction surged.

Was it all the lies they were being told or just a mindless tribal victory chant that drove the bump?

By contrast, satisfaction among Republicans has been fairly flat over the past year and currently stands at 9%, 38 percentage points lower than Democrats’.

We’ve got 91% to work with here, all this talk over the years of aisle reaching and such silly things has worked out……not so well? We are we going to try to be…………….ourselves?

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oops, when are we

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Yep, that would be those with the stagnant wages……

And for Politico, buying those imports is also a choice……..

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Politico

February 18th, 2013
6:40 pm
“Thulsa

You are more Richard than fact

But you know that alreadyd”- Politico

Politico,

Then prove me wrong instead of posting the same post twice.

Politico

February 18th, 2013
6:43 pm
Enter your comments here

Politico,

I see that instead of refuting my facts picked straight out of cheesy grits own link you can’t even get a post through after double posting to begin with. Sheesh!

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUDshT19j8Q

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Get a job A$$op!

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Well, I read the 1st page of comments and thought I’d logged into Bookman’s blog by mistake, These left-wing radical hippies are everywhere these days. You can’t even find a blog where you can slam Those People and the welfare queens and the Mexicans without running into these Traders.

I reckon I’ll just head to Bookman’s blog. There’s the same number of left wingers there as here. Have a good night everybody.

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Thulsa – This is their job.

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“Thulsa – This is their job.”

They don’t do it very well- debate that is. I suggest they each try a new profession. McDonalds is hiring.

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They’re more interested in what dummycrats think of them than they are of governing.

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MarkV @ 6:00

I see you yearn for a little fresh air. The blog is very stale today.

My Cornish hens looked perfect but they were not popular. There were many declarations of “not eating something so small”. The wild rice got a little scorched. Hamburgers would have been more popular. My culinary skills have taken a blow!!!

But you asked again about debt. How you live when you don’t have any money because you owe so much. Let’s see what happens. Can’t pay your bills & mortgage? Bankruptcy. lose home, move in with relatives. Start begging from the government. Unemployment benefits, food stamps, Medicaid. Hit the church food banks, and finally homeless shelters. That’s personal debt.

National debt ( more going out than coming in)–in final stages–death of a nation either by lack of defense., financial depression, or by revolution.

So there you are. Not exactly financial or historical textbook material but I did not plan to write one anyway. No cook book either.

But don’t worry. There are always survivors. I read a book last night written by a Holocaust survivor. Unimaginable horrors. Ten million dead. But some came through it all. Miraculous, isn’t it?

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@Tiberius…”It accelerated the mess, but it didn’t cause it.”

When you turn a lighted match into a forest fire…you caused it even though you did not light the orginal match.

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@Aseop…”Today New Jersey’s economy is a shadow of its former self and lags the nation.”

More fairy tales I see…now for the real story

http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/NJNGSP?rid=140

That line on the chart just keeps going on up…

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No Aesop, not true at all – Romney had to go way wingnutty to win the nomination.

But as your response proves, I imagine the Repubs will have to lose a couple more national elections before they wake up and offer real conservative solutions to people’s problems. Right now they’d rather appease people like you than win elections.

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Dusty @9:27 pm

Sorry about your dinner. As I mentioned, I love Cornish hens and would not have complained about the size. And who’s bothered by a little scorching of wild rice?

But to the debt. You are trying to avoid what I wrote when you cannot deny it. As I argued, many people have those debts and do not go into bankruptcy, do not lose home, do not move with relatives. Some do, many more do not.

But let’s go to the national debt. I hope you did not get swayed by Tiberius, who could not resist answering my question to you, with such an obvious fallacy:
Tiberius @2:16 pm “Why the government should cut spending now?” Because it can’t pay its bills.

As you can observe by yourself, I am sure, the government can pay its bills. Have you noticed any failure to pay bills? Yes, as you would say, it borrows money. But that is not the answer to my question at all. Just like a person who has a mortgage and credit cards debt and can still live without bankruptcy even if he/she is getting deeper into debt, so can our government.

As I pointed out to another one on this blog, the US had a higher “relative debt,” (debt/GDP ratio) in the past than we have now, and survived that quite well. Therefore, I find your final words about unimaginable horrors of the Holocaust and the survivors very appropriate. They came through, and so will we as a country in the economic sense.

But to give you something to recoil in horror from, let me tell you my opinion, which is hardly original. We do not need to pay the national debt back, not in the real sense of those words. It will be quite ok if we manage to stabilize it in a reasonable period of time (a decade), meaning stopping adding to it. That will be difficult enough, but not anything approaching the “death of a nation either by lack of defense. financial depression, or by revolution.”

Unfortunately, we still did not get to the subject of my original question: “Why the government should cut spending now?” Too late for me now. Perhaps some other time.

G’nite.

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Try reading the article, Barry.

I realize that’s tough – it’s much easier to spout RWNM talking points.

Like I say, until the Repubs lose a few more elections, and the leaders of the party stop cringing at making unthinking people like you mad, they will continue to lose national elections.

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The only way to “fix” the gop is for them to surrender to the majority of the American people and get out of the way.

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President Reagan didn’t blame Carter for the economic mess he inherited–he just fixed it. President Bush didn’t blame Clinton for the Islamofascist terrorist problem he inherited–he just fixed it. That’s what real Presidents do.

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@md…”It hasn’t been used since it was signed, and the dems had control until 2010……”

Incorrect again…it has not been violated since it was signed…in spite of the Republican House’s efforts.

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@LBB…”President Reagan didn’t blame Carter for the economic mess he inherited–he just fixed it. ”

O’Dear….you must have slept through the 80’s…let me refresh your memory.

Ronnie Raygun 1982 & 1983…

“The problems we inherited were far worse than most inside and out of government had expected; the recession was deeper than most inside and out of government had predicted. Curing those problems has taken more time and a higher toll than any of us wanted.”

“To understand the State of the Union, we must look not only at where we are and where we’re going but where we’ve been. The situation at this time last year was truly ominous.”

“In the last six months of 1980, as an example, the money supply increased at the fastest rate in postwar history 13 percent. Inflation remained in double digits and Government spending increased at an annual rate of 17 percent. Interest rates reached a s taggering 21 1/2 percent. There were eight million unemployed.”

“First, we must understand what’s happening at the moment to the economy. Our current problems are not the product of the recovery program that’s only just now getting under way, as some would have you believe; they are the inheritance of decades of tax and tax, and spend”

“Now the budget deficit this year will exceed our earlier expectations. The recession did that. It lowered revenues and increased costs.”

There is way more but, you get the idea, Reagan did EXACTLY the same thing as Obama has been forced to do…point out the actions of the prior administration that he felt impacted the situation.

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Bottom line: What Reagan did, worked. What Obozo did, made things worse.

Reagan: Superior to Obozo.

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Demint is following the teachings of the Heritage Foundation’s patron saint, Ronald Reagan. Reagan’s first inaugaral address promised lower deficits and turning government regulation back to the states.
Result?
“”"”"”"”"”Reagan,” Vice President Dick Cheney famously declared in 2002, “proved deficits don’t matter.” Unless, that is, a Democrat is in the White House. After all, while Ronald Reagan tripled the national debt and George W. Bush doubled it again, each Republican was rewarded with a second term in office. But as the Gallup polling data show, concern over the federal deficit hasn’t been this high since Democratic budget balancer Bill Clinton was in office. All of which suggest the Republicans’ born-again disdain for deficits ranks among the greatest – and most successful – political double-standards in recent memory.

The triumph of the GOP messaging machine is reflected in a new Washington Post/Pew Research poll. In just the four months since the Republican majority took control of the House, the percentage of Americans believing the budget deficit is a major problem which must be addressed now catapulted from 70% to 81%. But even more revealing is an April Gallup survey which showed the deficit (17%) rivaling the unemployment (19%) and the overall state of the economy (26%). And as it turns out, those cyclical swings in budget angst reflect the complete victory of the conservative deficit narrative.

As predicted at the time, Reagan’s massive $749 billion supply-side tax cuts in 1981 quickly produced even more massive annual budget deficits. Combined with his rapid increase in defense spending, Reagan delivered not the balanced budgets he promised, but record-settings deficits. Ultimately, Reagan was forced to repeatedly raised taxes to avert financial catastrophe, including the last major bipartisan tax code overhaul in 1986. By the time he left office in 1989, Ronald Reagan nonetheless more than equaled the entire debt burden produced by the previous 200 years of American history. It’s no wonder the Gipper cited the skyrocketing deficits he bequeathed to America as perhaps his greatest regret.”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”
http://crooksandliars.com/jon-perr/reagan-proved-deficits-dont-matter
The wonders of the modern stupid party.

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It will be 2016 before you know it and then, we’ll “get back to normal” with a white person in the White House.
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I’d settle for an American.

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thinker – I’m pretty sure that Cheney was talking about deficits of 100 billion, not 1.3 Trillion.

Big difference dude.

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‘In order to learn quantum mechanics, you have to strip to your raw, erase all the garbage from your brain, and start over again,’ Prof. Emlyn Hughes said. Against a backdrop of 9/11 and Holocaust images, he remained in a fetal position as two people dressed as ninjas blindfolded stuffed animals.

Another idea wholly in line with “climate change” and “evolution.”

whackjobs

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Against a backdrop of 9/11 and Holocaust images, he remained in a fetal position as two people dressed as ninjas blindfolded stuffed animals.

I bet nobody slept through that class.

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No wonder Kyle and the resident cons like DeMInt:

“”"”"The reality is, DeMint is a theocrat, who believes that only those who adopt a Judeo-Christian worldview can truly be Americans. Anyone who follows a different religious tradition — or perhaps even no tradition at all — can never be a real American in the senator’s opinion. I didn’t come up with this on my own. DeMint says it in his 2009 manifesto, “Saving Freedom.”

DeMint also doesn’t believe that unmarried women should be able to teach public school, you know because they are sexed-up sexpots who are having sex outside of marriage. However, he has no problem backing Sen. Lindsey Graham and Rep. Tim Scott, two life-long bachelors. Make of that what you will.

DeMint also hates gays. Now, you might think that statement is too strong, but you would be wrong. It’s not strong enough. Not only does DeMint believe that gays shouldn’t be able to teach public school and has repeatedly opposed hate crimes legislation, making the laughable claim that such laws would make some Americans more equal than others, he has gone on record saying that he could never ever vote for a gay man for president.

DeMint also believes that African-Americans — and other minorities — remain loyal Democrats solely because they are “government beneficiaries” who depend on the gifts that the Dems dole out to them — you know, things like food stamps and subsidized housing and Medicare and free public education. Like many of his Republican ilk, the senator refuses to see that it is the GOP’s long history of racism and discrimination that prevents many black Americans from voting for conservatives. They are the enemy and forever will be until they finally give up the race-baiting Southern Strategy for good.

Make no mistake, Jim DeMint has not become the philosophical leader of the Republican Party by quitting his job and taking over the Heritage Foundation. His are not the views of a man who will guide the GOP into a bold new future. They are the views of a relic from the age of American bigotry. And with Jim DeMint leaving office, that era is even closer to coming to an end.”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”
http://www.charlestoncitypaper.com/HaireoftheDog/archives/2012/12/07/so-long-jim-demint-saying-goodbye-to-bible-beating-homophobic-racist

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He had enough common sense to realize that what he was doing wasn’t working, and tried to fix it.

And Barry is going to realize the same in ……………………………………………..

After Barry spent 4 years of focusing on jobs like a laser and fixing the economy, the GOP now is asking Barry to focus like a laser on paying for some of his spending. The sycophants think the GOP is being mean, demanding that lil Barry spend some time figuring out how to reduce the deficit and start working on slowing the debt.

Poor Barry, they are just working him to a frazzle, having to say no to everything they propose and trying so hard to come up with plans of his own that are both far left wing and at the same time make some economic sense. This is almost an impossible job for Barry.

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Actually, Rafe, people who can’t make an effective argument only tell the parts of the story that fit their narrative, and ignore the rest that do not.

Reagan’s history is one of COMPROMISE with the legislative branch, something President Incompetent has no ability to do. Reagan had two main goals: Fix the economic mess he inherited, and end the threat of the Soviet Union peacefully.

While people like JDW cherry-pick a few quotes referencing Reagan citing what he inherited, he can’t come up with the litany of speeches from Reagan that come close to echoing our Perpetual Campaigner-in-Chief blaming everybody but himself for the failures of this administration.

Likewise, Reagan had to raise taxes (as well as cut them later on) in order to pay for the social programs and defense programs he and Tip O’Neill COMPROMISED on to each get what they wanted.

It is called leadership and governance, something President Incompetent has never had a capacity to do in his lifetime. Ultimately, that effort to take down the Soviet Union peacefully saved us from a possible nuclear confrontation, and saved billions in defense costs that libs just cannot fathom due to their inability to follow a logical progression.

Reagan wasn’t perfect by any means, and certainly made mistakes. But his term of office will be seen as one of the better ones in the 20th century, and will always remain in higher regard than this most recent successor’s.

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“Incorrect again…it has not been violated since it was signed…in spite of the Republican House’s efforts.”

Well then, I guess you have at least yourself fooled…….

“Less than one year later though, facing widespread demand to ease looming tax burdens caused by the Alternative Minimum Tax, Congress abandoned its pay-go pledge.[14] The point of order was also waived for the Economic Stimulus Act of 2008 which included revenue reducing provisions and increases in spending that increased the deficit, which paygo was designed to prevent. It was again waived in May 2008, upon the consideration of the 2007 U.S. Farm Bill by the House of Representatives”

It was theater JDW………………. grandstanding………smoke and mirrors……..it was done to create an illusion in the hopes someone would fall for it.

Seems at least one did……….

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sailfish

Yes, the popular opinion now is to settle for the soft tyranny of low expectations. A leader will emerge in the GOP and be able to convince people that this track leads to financial insolvency and slavery to a debt that has been passed to them. At some point soon, the worm will turn and enough Americans will realize that we can do better than this, if we make better choices.

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Aesop – 9:07

Emlyn Hughes is a Phd professor of Physics at Columbia University.

Quantun Mechanics really IS hard and it can be really hard to get and keep students attention in a difficult class.

That you ridicule him, climate change and evolution clearly shows the depths of your profound ignorance.

Incredible as it may sound, scripture does NOT top science.

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Dusty, well said, but it might be too much common sense for Mark to digest in one sitting.

What the debt proponents fail to take into consideration when they respond that we are paying our bills and the debt, is that if inflation kicks back into a historical norms, we may be in for more severe cuts and a great deal of pain. What do we do then?

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