Question on new stadium remains: Why so soon?

If you haven’t yet read Jeff Schultz’s column today about whether it would be “the worst thing in the world if the Falcons moved to the suburbs,” I recommend it. Spoiler alert: Schultz thinks it would not be the worst thing in the world if that were to happen.

Although I think downtown is ultimately far preferable to the suburbs for the Falcons’ home games, Schultz makes a number of good arguments. But this is the part to which I want to draw your attention (with emphasis added):

The [San Francisco] 49ers couldn’t get a downtown stadium deal done, so they’re moving to Santa Clara, 30 to 45 minutes away. … By the way, Candlestick Park is 53 years old.

The [New York] Giants left the old Meadowlands stadium, which was 34 years old. The [Miami] Dolphins left the Orange Bowl, which was built in 1939. The [Dallas] Cowboys and [New England] Patriots left stadiums that were opened in 1971. The [Washington] Redskins left RFK Stadium, built in 1961.

The Georgia Dome opened in 1992.

For me, much of what’s disquieting about the drive to ditch the Dome is the timing. In 2017, by which time the Falcons insist they’ll be in a new stadium, the Dome will be a mere 25 years old.

The stadium the 49ers are leaving is twice as old (53) as the Georgia Dome will be in 2017. The same goes for the Dolphins’ old stadium (48) when their new stadium opened in 1987.

The stadium the Giants and New York Jets replaced was about as old (34) as most Georgians probably believed the Dome would be when it was replaced. Ditto for the old stadiums of the Cowboys (38), Patriots (29) and Redskins (36).

I think it’s fair to assume most Atlanta residents recognize that the Dome will have to be replaced at some point in time. I think it’s also fair to assume most of us wonder why that point in time is coming so soon after the Dome was built.

Of course, the Dome will need money for repairs if it stays open. As the AJC has reported, professional estimates of those costs run from $115 million by 2020 (when the Dome would hit 28 years of age) to $401 million by approximately 2035 (when it would be 43 years old).

So, it seems questionable to most people outside the Falcons organization that the Dome has to be replaced so soon. If we having this discussion five to 10 years from now, it would be going a lot differently.

– By Kyle Wingfield

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Bruno

February 16th, 2013
4:19 pm

Bruno

February 16th, 2013
4:21 pm

Re-read your 2:04.

Short-term memory loss?

Just because I’m not a Christian doesn’t mean that I can’t benefit from reading the Bible. Lot of good stuff in there, though not a substitute for a Science book.

How did you manage to become so profoundly ignorant about science?

hmc.edu

Aesop's Fables and other Lib Economic Theories

February 16th, 2013
4:46 pm

According to mathematical physics, something really can come from nothing.

Even mathematical physicists have to have something to begin with, the space time foam being an example, but the problem is, the space time foam is………. something. They just call it nothing to suit their purposes.

indigo

February 16th, 2013
4:47 pm

Bruno

You poo pah mathematical physics.

You think Richard Feynman, a physicist, is a great man.

You’re not religious.

Your guiding philosophy comes from The New Testament.

I’d say you’re not really sure what to believe.

BW

February 16th, 2013
5:34 pm

Kyle

It’s really very simple…the main rent paying tenant, the Atlanta Falcons, want a building which they can make more money from and the lease is up in 2017. That’s all there is to it…we can stomp our feet and pretend that once the Falcons leave the Dome that other signature events would remain or that the costs associated with upkeep aren’t real or exaggerated and that the state would pony up that type of money without the Falcons in it. The stadium age is mere coincidence and as a matter of fact there have been arenas torn up after only 20 years (see Richfield Coliseum outside of Cleveland, where the Cavs played before Quicken Loans Arena). Money talks and bs walks as the saying goes.

indigo

February 16th, 2013
6:49 pm

Aesop – 4:46

Read for yourself.

Note no mention of “space time foam”

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090415110041AAT5nDg

larry

February 16th, 2013
6:53 pm

What is wrong with a 20 year old stadium ??? NOTHING !!
This is about taxpayers paying for the whims and wants of Billionaires and Millionaires !!!
DON’T DO IT !!!
There Are Many Other Projects Taxpayer’s Money Should Be Spent On That ARE NEEDED FOR THE COMMUNITY !!!

Aesop's Fables and other Lib Economic Theories

February 16th, 2013
7:16 pm

Here’s how indie’s genius concludes his lecture -

So in short, if something can indeed come from nothing, than isn’t all your creationist BS invalid now.

It’d be nice if you could show some proof instead of bombarding me with the mindless rants of insane liberals.

Bruno

February 16th, 2013
7:16 pm

I’d say you’re not really sure what to believe.

I wouldn’t say that at all. I think it’s more like you’re not smart enough to understand what I believe. You don’t even know the difference between metaphysics and epistemology.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXt57IplIG4

Bruno

February 16th, 2013
7:27 pm

Read for yourself.

Note no mention of “space time foam”

And BTW, indigo, your link is crap. The person answering the question is attempting to extrapolate certain features of local “quantum” events into explanations of how the Universe began. In addition to using faulty logic, the “quantum” events he describes are misstated.

It might help if you actually read a few books on the topic. I’m sure that you would never get through “Road To Reality”, but you could start with “Thirty Years That Shook Physics” by George Gamow. Less than $7.00.

http://www.amazon.com/Thirty-Years-that-Shook-Physics/dp/048624895X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1361060766&sr=8-1&keywords=thirty+years+that+shook+physics

Bruno

February 16th, 2013
7:37 pm

Bruno

February 16th, 2013
7:39 pm

Buzzy

February 16th, 2013
8:13 pm

It doesn’t need to be replaced.

Does everybody remember when the MARTA/Road Improvement Referendum failed?

The politicians need a big building project to reward their friends and provide “make work-do-nothing” jobs for family members. That’s what this big money project is really about…and why should the Falcons complain?

Bruno

February 16th, 2013
8:13 pm

The bottom line, indigo, is that Energy must always be conserved. When subatomic particles “pop into existence”, to use the phrase the yahoo author used, they can only do so in an environment that has available energy. Though we normally think of a vacuum as containing “nothing”, this isn’t true at the quantum level of existence, because there is ambient energy available. Attempting to extrapolate this localized phenomenon to a larger system, such as an entire Universe, is a logical fallacy.

Further confusion arises, in my experience, when the same word “particle” is used for both micro-sized and macro-sized objects. At the subatomic level, “normal” rules of existence don’t seem to apply, insofar as “particles” exhibit behavior usually associated with waves. Because of this, any physical model we think of in our minds cannot be correct, because there is no way to reconcile the two different entities, particles and waves. The most brilliant theoretical physicists, like Richard Feynman, understand that in the end, Quantum Physics is simply a mathematical description of something that we do not, and in fact cannot, understand in any usual sense of the word.

In the words of Richard Feynman: “Now we know how the electrons and light behave. But what can I call it? If I say they behave like particles I give the wrong impression; also if I say they behave like waves. They behave in their own inimitable way, which technically could be called a quantum mechanical way. They behave in a way that is like nothing that you have ever seen before. . . . An atom does not behave like a weight hanging on a spring and oscillating. Nor does it behave like a miniature representation of the solar system with little planets going around in orbits. Nor does it appear to be somewhat like a cloud or fog of some sort surrounding the nucleus. It behaves like nothing you have ever seen before.”

JamVet

February 16th, 2013
8:15 pm

Hillbilly D

February 16th, 2013
8:25 pm

What if not only the planets revolve around the sun but the sun is also revolving around something else at the same time? Or maybe the whole shebang is revolving?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7msDf6H27M

Bruno

February 16th, 2013
8:28 pm

What if not only the planets revolve around the sun but the sun is also revolving around something else at the same time? Or maybe the whole shebang is revolving?

HD–Your questions are the same ones that Einstein asked around 1900. The only difference between you and him is that he actually answered them. ;-)

Bruno

February 16th, 2013
8:32 pm

JamVet–You shouldn’t be so harsh on indigo like that. ;-)

Hillbilly D

February 16th, 2013
8:35 pm

Bruno

Another difference between me and ol’ Al is that I realize, there’s some things……I just don’t need to know. ;-)

Bruno

February 16th, 2013
8:37 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQj–Kjn0z8

Sitting and watching the world going by
Is it true when we die we go up to the sky?
Woah, woah
So many things that I don’t understand
Put my feet in the sand when I’m walking in the sun
Woah
Walking in the sun

Bruno

February 16th, 2013
8:40 pm

One of my favorite Santana pieces, “Moonflower” from the album of the same name.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5b3VBUW2ok

Aesop's Fables and other Lib Economic Theories

February 16th, 2013
8:44 pm

To better explain on indie’s level of comprehension, try holding two magnets together to understand why atoms are so unpredictable. It’s why the wind blows. Energy is in a constant state of repelling other energy.

Even the space between you and I is made up of complex elements, even though we cannot see them. Wave your hand across that space and you can feel them move.

No matter which intellectual level you inhabit, whether you see air as 20.95% oxygen or if it is something you find messes up your hairstyle, it sustains your life. It serves a unique, undeniable purpose in your existence, almost as though it was created specifically for that reason. As is almost everything else on this Earth.

Hillbilly D

February 16th, 2013
8:45 pm

Bruno

February 16th, 2013
8:47 pm

The whole “Moonflower” album is quality from beginning to end. I love the vocals of Greg Walker. Here’s the opening sequence of Dawn/Go Within/Carnival/Let The Children Play:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEeqRcQcaqc

JamVet

February 16th, 2013
8:50 pm

B, I’ve always love that song and it does have one of my favorite lines in all of rockdom:

The price of meat has just gone up
And your old lady has just gone down

I love how masterpieces like this one take their own time to get where they’re going…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRe42BDK_R4

Aesop's Fables and other Lib Economic Theories

February 16th, 2013
8:51 pm

Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!

February 16th, 2013
8:51 pm

For decades, an increasingly large percentage of our economic output has been moved from the positive-sum game of markets and private property to the zero-sum game of government and politics. According to the Office of Management and Budget, total government spending in the U.S. rose from 17 percent of GDP in 1948 to 35 percent in 2010. As public choice theory predicts, the more resources government bureaucracies control, the more lobbyists, crony capitalists, and entitlement clients will appear seeking to divert handouts into their pockets. Such would-be beneficiaries need experts to construct the facts that they use to justify to political patrons and agency bureaucrats why they deserve a share of the government’s largesse. To the extent that we live in a “post-truth era,” it is in good measure because it pays so well to dissemble, exaggerate, and spin for government grants and favors.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324445904578283682238370190.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEFTTopOpinion
————————–

Government IS the problem.

And the post-truth Democrats want to make it even more so.

Bruno

February 16th, 2013
8:55 pm

One of the prettiest songs I’ve ever heard, again from “Moonflower”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zjk7uZ5fsZk

Hillbilly D

February 16th, 2013
8:58 pm

JamVet 8:50

The piano in this is almost the same as in the Low Spark of High Heeled Boys. Of course, it’s the same guy playing both.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hnrsqf33MXA

Bruno

February 16th, 2013
9:02 pm

Hillbilly D

February 16th, 2013
9:04 pm

Aesop's Fables and other Lib Economic Theories

February 16th, 2013
9:05 pm

Keeping with the theme -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9etOe4nWltw

It’s not hard to see the beauty of it all

Bruno

February 16th, 2013
9:10 pm

Some physicists have described reality as occurring in invisible layers, kind of like a “glass onion”.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=He2EZ6-VOOk

Hillbilly D

February 16th, 2013
9:12 pm

Bruno

February 16th, 2013
9:14 pm

Awwww, Aesop showing his soft side @ 9:05. No Libs here to witness it, too bad. ;-)

Hillbilly D

February 16th, 2013
9:17 pm

Glen never wrote many songs but he did contribute to this one. Considering where he’s at in life and his condition, it’s pretty powerful.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGmwihgb6VI

JamVet

February 16th, 2013
9:20 pm

it is kind of mind blowing just how much we still love that band, isn’t it?

And awesome trivia fact, HD…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCNqHIKJ4wk

Georgia

February 16th, 2013
9:25 pm

String theory infers that the universe is an illusion. I mean, we can see light that is 12 billion years old?. What does that even mean? Some say that what we observe is a hologram beamed from the edges of the universe. What does that mean? If we can see the light from pre-galaxies, and then see the light from those same galaxies as they are born, and then see the light from those same galaxies as they enter middle age, and then see the light from those same galaxies as they collide into each other and become annihilated, then wtf does that mean? Does space time exist in a snapshot? That a camera can record all of space time so that an observer can see all of the universe’s expansion at once? Space time? WTF?

All it means is that it takes an observer. That was Einstein’s only point. The point nobody gets. It takes an observer to invent space time and general and special relativity. and strings and holograms and everything…….

“Let there be light”: Isn’t that the best explanation of the birth of our universe ever uttered?

I don’t know. I’m just an observer.

JamVet

February 16th, 2013
9:26 pm

HD, back at ya from a rock and roll alternative.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhrQgw70kO8

Hillbilly D

February 16th, 2013
9:27 pm

JamVet

People who don’t really know will say that the Beatles weren’t really that good of musicians and their songs weren’t very complex. That was probably true in their early days but by Rubber Soul and Revolver, that had pretty well changed. They knew a lot instinctively and they had George Martin to learn from and they soaked it up like sponges.

This would probably bore most folks but it’s fascinating to me. This is an Italian guy (he’s an amp manufacturer/designer) who breaks down Beatles’ stuff. There was more going on than people realized.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5kXaPb0dWE

JamVet

February 16th, 2013
9:33 pm

“Let there be light”: Isn’t that the best explanation of the birth of our universe ever uttered?

I don’t buy it.

Some great intelligent being designed and operates all of this?

That seems as preposterous as the idea this is all random and unexplainable.

Just my 2 cents’ (apparently never adjusted for inflation) worth.

Short and very sweet…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGm7fj0Usrw

JamVet

February 16th, 2013
9:38 pm

HD, as you know, Harrison was my fave and I gravitated to his songs on those albums.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Y9W8tgXKQU

Hillbilly D

February 16th, 2013
9:40 pm

This is Randy Bachman, no slouch as a musician himself, talking about the Beatles. (The discussion underneath is pretty interesting, as well. So much disagreement as to what actually was used).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvxPc5MPEuQ

Hillbilly D

February 16th, 2013
9:42 pm

Aesop's Fables and other Lib Economic Theories

February 16th, 2013
9:56 pm

Bruno

February 16th, 2013
9:57 pm

Hillbilly D

February 16th, 2013
10:08 pm

Bruno

February 16th, 2013
10:09 pm

I mean, we can see light that is 12 billion years old?. What does that even mean?

One unresolved issue in Physics, IMO, is that of instantaneous-action-at-a-distance. Newton’s vision of gravity implies that the effects of gravity occur instantaneously, and over unlimited distances. According to Modern Physics, however, no type of information can travel faster than the speed of light. Einstein got around that problem by hypothesizing that mass distorts space-time itself. As Particle Physics became popular, a hypothetical particle has been proposed to be the intermediary which “transmits” gravity, the graviton.

Whatever happened to “We don’t really know”??

Aesop's Fables and other Lib Economic Theories

February 16th, 2013
10:10 pm

There is one thing that is truly universal and you scientists can have yours -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtGNXbJl5bw

Bruno

February 16th, 2013
10:12 pm

HD–I don’t think that Neil Young was very fond of Alabama:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uD3bGEFxGC0