Who says there’s no common ground in Washington anymore?

Why do the Tea Partyers get a response? Are they Republican or not? They either need to form their own party or get on the train with the rest of the team. I’ll never understand why the Republicans have not cut them off yet. Take away their money or make them do what you say.

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I thought that Ted Nugent would be on a plane with Sen. McCain on there way to N Korea?

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From the NPR article linked in the “more charter schools” phrase, set in blue ink, provided in the article, above:

” ‘We know now that charter schools for disadvantaged children don’t perform any better on average than regular public schools … in fact, they perform slightly worse on average,’ Rothstein says.

That’s just one reason many people in Obama’s party have been critical. Liberal Democrats and teachers unions, after all, view charters and school choice as the privatization of public education and a huge distraction from the problem of concentrated poverty that makes it so hard for teachers to teach and kids to learn.

If we want to improve the education of disadvantaged children, Rothstein says, we’ve got to get them to a school in good health and with the experience of high-quality early-childhood programs where they get the kinds of literacy experiences that middle-class children receive.

‘Moving them around from one school to another in the ghetto is not going to make a difference,’ he says.”

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the tea party deserves it’s say. they are people who believe in less government and less taxes. it’s as simple as that and simple usually is what works. Actually the rise of the tea party is the reason the republicans at least control the House—without them they wouldn’t have any say so over what obama tries to ram down our throats. Rubio himself was elected due to tea party support. Hopefully people will stay tuned to listen to both rubio and paul as they will be more likely to be truthful.

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Well Stoll had some good ideas, but they were far from complete. No mention of cutting the deficit in half, no mention of having the most transparent administration, no mention of working across the aisle on issues they agree on, no mention of reforming entitlements, and on and on with the campaign lies. He might have been a decent President had he lived up to his campaign promises, but as always with Barry it is only bait and switch.

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Mary Elizabeth

I thought we had pre K and K, how much early education is necessary? The folks that built this country did not attend pre K, but I realize times have changed, but this old spend more and more and more and continue to get worse results has got to change. Long passed time we tried new ideas in education.

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Will Ted and Gabby be sitting next to each other?

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The fact that the tea party has to give a separate response says it all about the current state of the GOP….fractured and divisive. Quite frankly they need to split themselves off into a 3rd party and give the GOP back to us RINOs.

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EC Rino
Rubio, tea partier, is speaking for the GOP, not the Tea Party.

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And Rand Paul is speaking for the tea party. Separate response. Until the tea party is eradicated from the GOP I punched and will continue to punch straight Dem ticket.

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“focus upon and attack poverty”

This country has spent trillions of dollars in an attempt to eradicate poverty since the 1960’s, and hasn’t moved the needle one bit.

Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results . . . .

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“They believed in the individual mandate until the Dems adopted that position.’

No, they didn’t. Just because a couple of Republicans advocated it, doesn’t mean “the GOP” supported that position.

“They believed in a market based carbon program until the Dems believed in it.”

See above, Deep Cover.

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Only ‘Pubs could decide to split their minority voice between two upstarts with zero accomplishments in office (other than Marco’s Fla GOP charge card).
Then split attention again with a rodeo clown in the gallery.

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Make sure all you “Ted” supporters re-read the reasons “Ted” himself said he dodged the draft.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/military/nugent.asp

then see if you can stil call him a “Patriot”

But go ahead and support him because he likes guns and you do to. That makes everything O.K. right?

I do think Kyle has an interesting read though and I will read it at lunch. It sounds from the surface the gest of this is to find the common ground which both parties can agree on, pass that legislation, and then tackle harder stuff. Which is what Obama has been advocating for a long time – good to see there are some on the other side of the aisle who has this similar thinking. Maybe, just maybe we will get somewhere now.

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“Nugent has also gone after President Obama with rhetoric that was violent enough to get the attention of the Secret Service. Try to imagine the political world’s reaction if a washed-up entertainer targeted a Republican president with violent rhetoric, and then a Democratic member of Congress invited him as a special guest to attend the State of the Union.

Of course, that’s not happening. On the contrary, Nugent was invited by a House Republican as a way to counteract Democratic lawmakers welcoming victims of gun violence to the Capitol.”

Rachel Maddow

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Rafe, early childhood intervention helps to decrease the wide discrepancies which I have described, above, which now exist. In addition to that intervention, students should be taught on their precise, individual instructional levels – regardless of their grade levels – as they continue to advance through the curriculi of a 12 grade-level, lock-step, educational design. In other words, we must become more sophisticated in educational delivery for all students, according to students’ individual needs, regardless of their grade levels, in the grades post pre-k. However, we should not fail to fund pre-k programs because we are not, now, fully successful in addressing instsruction for all students in the later grades. The answer is to address instruction in the later grades more effectively, as well as to continue building the pre-k programs.

For more of my thoughts on how to accomplish this, please read the link below from my personal blog:

http://maryelizabethsings.wordpress.com/2013/01/19/educational-essay-9-my-thoughts-for-improving-public-education/

I am gone for the day, so that I cannot continue the discussion.

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EC Rino -If you want to continue to try and deceive yourself into believing you are a conservative, Republican or a Rino go ahead, you are not fooling anyone but yourself. Anyone who is a true conservative may not like the GOP establishment, the TP, the speaker, the minority leader, Karl Rove, or whatever, but they always vote against people who are trying to move the country far to the left.

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The cornerstone of the Democrat party platform is limiting the freedoms of people they don’t like. (It’s no wonder CPUSA supports them.) Bait and switch, abuse of power, the constant coverups, “selective” enforcement, etc. are all just ways “the end justifies the means”.

Bigger government = less freedom.

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If bigger govt means less freedom, why are people in Canada and the Scandinavian countries more prosperous and happier than we are? hmmm?

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Where’s my green job, Dagnabbit!

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President Obama’s response to the suggested text of Mr Rubio’s speech.

Indeed our nation’s challenges are too great to allow partisan divisions to prevent us from working together to solve our nation’s problems. The American People understand this too. That is why I was easily reelected last November, the Democratic majority in the Senate was increased and the Republican majority in the House reduced. By the way congratulations on your outstanding job of gerrymandering those districts it really saved your bacon. You kept a 33 seat majority while attracting 2.7 million fewer votes than the Democrats. That is truly one of the best cases of election theft in history.

Now to the specifics.

Indeed lets lower the corporate income tax rate to 28% and eliminate the bloated tangle of deductions, credits and other tax giveaways that drive effect corporate income tax rate for Fortune 500 companies to 12.1%

As it relates to opening up new areas for drilling, by all means lets come up with a reasonable way. Back in 2010 the President suggested just that sort of thing and garnered no Republican support. Then the BP disaster occurred and exposed some of the risks. Now is the time to move forward with new drilling provided Republicans can support revised regulations that mitigate another BP disaster. Along those lines we need better execution from industry, why just last August we gave Shell the goahead to drill new wells off Alaska and they have tripped over their feet since…come on guys when you get the chance execute.

Now lets talk immigration… we welcome the new proposals put forward by some Republicans after 10+ years of dodging the issue. We stand ready willing and able to address such injustices as path to citizenship, more technical visas and encouraging new graduates to stay in the US. All you need to do is get the Tea Partiers in the House on a leash.

As it relates to Iran we have consistently said we will not countenance Iran getting a nuclear weapon. I must point out that the Republican penchant for grandstanding and blathering is not helping. I have proved that I can do the job (see OBL), the American people have elected me to do this job and I will do it. Might I suggest that you focus on issues that are in your charter.

With respect to “asking” Americans to pay their fair share I must fall back on the words of ole Ronnie Raygun…we trust them to do their part but must insist that we verify their compliance.

When you Republicans are ready back to the left of Goldwater and actually do some work we are ready to work with you. However, you need to get control of your party and deliver on the agreements reached by your leaders. Why by this time I am sure you have driven Boner nuts and he spends most of his day hiding out in his office.

Good night, and God bless America

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Steve – Ever wonder why Jow Walsh didn’t get elected? If he would have been a dummycrat, he’d probably be in the running for 2016 presidential by now.

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“No, they didn’t. Just because a couple of Republicans advocated it, doesn’t mean “the GOP” supported that position.”

A “couple of Republicans”

Conceived by Republicans at the Heritage Foundation, implemented by Republicans in Massachusetts and sponsored as legislation by 19 Republican Senators…saying a “couple of Republicans” is like saying a few football fans in Baltimore were happy with the result of the recent Super Bowl.

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On the subject the Tea Party Response…sounds like an admission that the Republican Party is not a Party any more. The other scary thing is Rubio is the guy for the “mainstream” response. What we really have is Tea Party and Tea Party Lite…Tastes Terrible…Causes Legislative Constipation.

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An inconvenient truth as far as education is concerned:

Until the day comes that we control breeding (which is never), children are a product of their environment. We will continue to do what we can to help them out but for many it will forever be a struggle when mom and dad are filling their heads with ignorance……..

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“If you’re going to set them up, JDW, I’ll keep knocking them down with facts,”

Only thing you are knocking down is your morning libation…facts are facts…Republican Think Tank (now run by DeMint), Republican Governors plan and 19 Republican Senators…that’s not a “couple” that’s a Republican idea…unless of course you live in Tiberusville.

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Well we could ask the House to pass a bill that is Dead On Arrival at the Senate.

Or we could ask the Senate to pass a bill that is Dead On Arrival at the House.

Or better yet, we could ask the House to sit down with the Senate and reach a compromise on a bill that will pass both chambers.

But I am sure the latter suggestion is just way to radical an idea for the 21st century.

So my money is on the first two suggestion, two DOA bills. Let the 2014 elections begin late tonight!

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Perhaps Nugent will attempt to assert his “unrestricted” 2nd Amendment rights tonight. Or educate Justice Scalia on the error of his published position on the issue.

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As the world wakes up to the reality of a heightened crisis with North Korea following its latest nuclear test, the Obama administration finds itself with remarkably few Korea experts at the top of its Asia policy team.

I’ll go out on a limb here and say that obozo has remarkably few experts anywhere in his administration.

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“I’ll go out on a limb here and say that obozo has remarkably few experts anywhere in his administration.”

Now, now….they know Chicago inside and out though…….

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That tells me there is another 22% that needs adjusting…….

md–As the table I put up yesterday showed, our annual spending has gone from an average of around $2.6 T per year under Bush to around $3.5 T under Obama. It’s difficult to believe that an increase of that magnitude is strictly due to COLA increases to Social Security and the (questionable) expansion of the food stamp program, as JDW implied in his non-answer this AM. And even if it is, then that presents an obvious place to start in reining in the budget.

Unfortunately, trying to get a Lib to reasonably discuss the budget crisis is damn near impossible. Like Debbie Wasserman Schultz did in her interview with Anderson Cooper, any discussion about reforming entitlements is immediately shouted down with bogus cries about pushing Grandma off the cliff or some such nonsense. Their only solution is to propose higher taxes. However, as the table shows, our highest tax collection years EVER were in the $2.5 T range. Unless we’re all willing to pay nearly 50% more in federal taxes, then tax increases alone aren’t going to close the gap.

http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxfacts/displayafact.cfm?Docid=200

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We will then have one RULER to whom all power is given and his supplicants will have everything supplied from education, food, good health, childcare, tansportation, all needs. No one will have to make those mean ol’ decisions.

Dusty–It does appear to be one of life’s ironies that the (supposed) party of diversity and tolerance is anything but if you don’t agree with their socialist vision. In their world, a strong centralized government is the answer to all of life’s ills. A good example of that kind of thinking was on display this AM via Mary Elizabeth, who thinks it’s the government’s job to raise children from the earliest of ages, providing everything from food to the fundamentals of education, functions that were parents’ responsibility back in my day. Are there too many crappy parents out there who aren’t meeting their obligations?? Yes, but I don’t see how making the government their parents by proxy is the solution. Maybe a little less enabling might make a difference.

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“I don’t know if the theory of evolution is correct”

Everything has a beginning……care to explain when,why, how and where “evolution” started?

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Who says there’s no common ground in Washington anymore?
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If you do point out the common ground, Wingfield or his associated state-sponsored employees will censor you.

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Md, I have more faith in the proven scientific theory of radioactive mutations possibly sparking evolution than an unseen deity who allows the pain and suffering exhibited on this planet.

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“Md, I have more faith in the proven scientific theory of radioactive mutations possibly sparking evolution than an unseen deity who allows the pain and suffering exhibited on this planet.”

“Faith” being the operative word.

I prefer to believe (operative word) that the possibilities are endless and leave it at that……

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And, of course, the new yorkkk times dutifully passes this along -

The official K.C.N.A. news service of North Korea said the country had used a “miniaturized and lighter nuclear device with greater explosive force than previously” and that the test “did not pose any negative impact on the surrounding ecological environment.”

Yeah, but what about all those human test dummies that were invited to sit in the front row to watch dear leaders glorious device go off?

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Why do the Tea Partyers get a response? Are they Republican or not? They either need to form their own party or get on the train with the rest of the team.

Actually, I’m pretty sure that having multiple opposition-party responses didn’t originate with Michelle Bachmann in 2011, at least if last night’s Rachel Maddow show is to be believed. (Apparently there were a few years in the late 60s when several representatives delivered such responses, to the point where it got a bit out of hand and there were responses-to-the-responses from the party in power…)

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just write the State of the Union Address out, send it over to Congress and let a clerk read it to them.

I’m incredibly sympathetic to that position–I find the multiple standing Os to be really annoying.

Then again, there’s nothing stopping any of us from simply reading a transcript of the SOTU a bit after the fact. It gets more tempting with every passing year, in fact.

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sfd

Honestly, I can’t remember the last time I watched the speech.

Does anyone honestly expect any Republican politician to adopt that position?

No but I don’t expect any Democrat to adopt it either. They’re all politicians and self-preservation is their job one..

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@Bruno…”Unless we’re all willing to pay nearly 50% more in federal taxes, then tax increases alone aren’t going to close the gap.”

You need some math work Bruno…that $2.5 trillion in taxes was on a GDP of $13.88 trillion…last year it was $15.6 trillion. What we needed to do was collect at the same rates that were in effect in 2000. Those rates in a healthy economy yield tax revenue at about 20.5% of GDP which is what we need.

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“More people are living in poverty, wages are flat, millions have completely exited the labor force, and fraud and abuse remain rampant. We will make the case that the time has come for another 1996-style welfare reform that reduces poverty, strengthens family, and helps more Americans transition from dependency to self-sufficiency. This is not merely a financial imperative; it is a moral imperative. No longer can we measure compassion by how much we spend on poverty, but how many people we help to rise out of poverty. Adding endlessly to the debt is not compassionate—it is destructive,” Sessions writes.

Now we’re talking.

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****BREAKING NEWS****

VATICAN CITY

An unexpected plume of white smoke appeared today above Vatican City and the announcement naming the new Pope was made. Pope Barack Hussein Obama I will assume the duties as Pope immediately. In a taped interview given to Bill Maher, Pope Obama expressed his delight in his new duties and stressed that he knew the awesome responsibilities of his new position. Pope Obama went on to say that he will be serving in a duel role as both Pope and Empower of the United States.

Maher: “Did you ever, in your wildest dreams, believe that you would ever be the Pope?”

Pope/Empower Obama: “Well, yes, Bill. After all, I’ve been blowing smoke up the Democrats’ collective ass for so long, I hardly viewed the emission of white smoke at the Vatican to be much of a problem.

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“GOP SAVIOR VOTES NO ON VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN ACT… HOURS BEFORE STATE OF THE UNION RESPONSE” HP

Wrong move rubio.

What are there two cons running their mouths after our President?

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” What we needed to do was collect at the same rates that were in effect in 2000. ”

http://www.moneychimp.com/features/tax_brackets.htm

Well, considering neither party sees that as an option, may as well say we need to win the lottery. In order to achieve that result, rates would have to rise on everybody, and that play isn’t in the dem playbook of class warfare. Do you really think O would have been re-elected had he campaigned on tax increases for everybody instead of “those evil rich guys have too much but vote for me and I’ll take theirs instead of yours”.

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Bruno – 1:21

Those opinions about Evolution and Climatology show your “extensive background in Science” is strictly of the Christian fundamentalist variety, and is esentially worthless.

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Indigo….you are aware that the opinions of scientists on those subjects are nothing more than what we used to call an “educated guess”…..aren’t you?

When there is no concrete evidence, ALL possibilities are still on the table regardless of how great or how miniscule their possibility……

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md – yeah, those multiple scientific disciplines who’s findings all pretty much corroborate each other, and then there’s “Creationism.” (banjos from Deliverance start playing)

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“md – yeah, those multiple scientific disciplines who’s findings all pretty much corroborate each other, and then there’s “Creationism.” (banjos from Deliverance start playing)”

Yes, using models plugging in the same assumptions…..still an educated guess when not proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. The same premise our justice system is supposed to be based on….

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its only madness to some, its survivial for the others.

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md

Every living recipient of the Nobel Prize in the sciences believes in Evolution. This goes far beyond “educated guess”

Evolution is not a theory. It is a fact. If your Christian Academy teachers tell you otherwise, they are WRONG.

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Well,KYLE, I hate to complain but my most meritous post just took off into nowhere and I can’t find it. It has happened before. Is evolution taking place or could my lovely words be lost in space? What a terrible fate!! Is there no justice………..???

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As for the Theory of Evolution…that is theory as in the scientific sense which has nothing to do with faith…

A scientific theory is “a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world, based on a body of facts that have been repeatedly confirmed through observation and experiment.”[

Much like the Theory of Gravity

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Where’s the “well-substantiated”?

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It won’t be a hard act for Rubio to follow.

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indigo:

A woodpecker uses its beak to secure its food. Can you explain to me how the woodpecker survived all those years of evolution to aquire the necessary beak, tongue and very odd toe arrangement that allows it to get the food necessary for life?

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Dusty – Next time a comment gets ate, mash the browser back button and look in the comment box, it should still be there. When you place the cursor in the comment box your words will disappear again, but unlike the ajc blogs, there’s still hope. Click on edit/ undo and it will reappear. Now go through the comment and hyphenate or break up all the big words. Or you could try posting parts of it until you isolate the offending words.

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“Every living recipient of the Nobel Prize in the sciences believes in Evolution. This goes far beyond “educated guess””

Indigo…..read what YOU wrote…..”believes” being the operative word.

As for evolution, again what was the beginning?

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And indigo and others…..scientist of the various generations all had beliefs (guesses) that turned out to be wrong…..the days of the flat earth were a consensus among the believers…..

If you want one a wee bit closer in time, go back to the discovery of aids…..do the research and one will see that once upon a time it could only be contracted through sexual contact……sure isn’t the case now is it?

Science is what we THINK we know as of today…….

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@Hillbilly…”Where’s the “well-substantiated”?”

Might I suggest On the Origin of Species, published on 24 November 1859, by Charles Darwin.

$7.15 at Amazon…

http://www.amazon.com/Origin-Species-Barnes-Noble-Classics/dp/1593080778

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http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2013/02/08/1972-cru-director-predicted-a-new-ice-age/

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Finally let it through. Some of you may want to read that 1972 article and pay close attention to the place it originated……

After all, scientists need to be right or they lose their crown of King guesser…….

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@hillbilly…I am not answering the question of how the environment that created the ability for evolution to do its work was created. Just pointing out that it is not a faith based theory. It is grounded in repeatable and observed experimentation. To answer the question of how the environment was created we need moe data points…I.e. repeatable and observed experimentation. I am guessing a spacecraft would helpful and until we have one that particular question will have to wait.

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@mks…

In the absence of all evidence you still cling to myth…give your brain a break…turn Rush off

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JDW

Face it, you believe what you believe and I believe what I believe and we both believe it on faith. I’ll admit and you won’t. Simple as that.

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@md…”Most of us know there isn’t any, so all possibilities are on the table”

It’s even more overwhelming than global warming…only 98 percent of scientists buy in to that one. Of course there are still folks that believe the world is flat and Apollo was a farce. Should I sign you up for those as well?

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I can’t believe Dusty had written any offensive words that would have proscribed her post. She is saving them for after the State of the Union speech.

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Let me ask it this way, is there a possibility that a god or creator made evolution possible with a beginning?

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Another one, this one the NY Times 1975…..and notice the first paragraph:
“The world’s climate is changing. Of that scientists are firmly convinced.”
2nd paragraph – “There are specialists who say that a new ice age is on the way”

NY Times, a scientific journal?

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“Is there concrete evidence that man caused global warming? Not contributed to, but caused? And, is there a possibility other factors we are unaware of may also be contributing factors?”

The point is that scientists have concluded that the mankind activity is the MAIN factor in the global warming. It makes little difference that there are other contributing factors. Other factors always are present, which is the reason why the temperature increase is not a smooth line exactly following the increase in CO2 in the atmosphere.

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Obama and Boehner were on common ground, but Boehner got stuck in the muddy mess called the GOP majority.

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@md…”There is well documented history that shows numerous examples of scientists being wrong yet all of a sudden they can’t be wrong? That is illogical…….”

You are confusing debate with consensus. Prior to 1988 there was a lot of debate. In 1988 research proved warming to be a fact and consensus has been achieved followed by agreement of 98 percent of scientists. Ther was never a consensus on a new ice age it was a competing hypothesis that has been disproved.

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JDW…warming can be measured, that isn’t necessarily the debate. The debate is what is causing the warming….that is where the belief comes into play.

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md

February 12th, 2013
5:57 pm
Saywhat….and which belief are you referring to?
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Your belief(or not) in evolution vs. the “belief” of scientists all over the world. Just because one of our posters used the word “believe” to describe those scientists views, does not equate the validity of their beliefs with your own. As you well know, a single word can have multiple definitions. So while it is easier to say scientists “believe” in evolution, it would far more accurate to say that scientists hold with absolute certainty, based on decades of reliable and repeatable experiment and observation, that evolution occurred in the past and is occurring now, and will continue to occur as long as life exists.

Clear?

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What is most disturbing about the global warming/climate change issue is the way politics has distorted the opinions about the state of knowledge. I am sure that without the political implications there would be no doubts about the changes happening and the mankind role. Then people could concentrate on the real issues, which is the best ways to deal with the changes, rather than fighting with those who deny that they are happening.

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Dusty @ 6:28 pm

I do not know about daffodils getting stuck; one of my posts a few days ago disappeared, but I found a part of one word which, when separated, must have been thought unsuitable.

Daffodils not yet, but our early spring flowers are blooming already outside.

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“What is most disturbing about the global warming/climate change issue is the way politics has distorted the opinions about the state of knowledge. I am sure that without the political implications there would be no doubts about the changes happening and the mankind role. Then people could concentrate on the real issues, which is the best ways to deal with the changes, rather than fighting with those who deny that they are happening”

No Mark, what is most disturbing is that models are used that contain assumptions and people like you poo poo those that understand that as you do a victory dance……there is nothing 100% that says it is all man made Mark, and the level of contribution is and always will be up for debate.

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md @6:39 pm

“No Mark, what is most disturbing is that models are used that contain assumptions and people like you poo poo those that understand that as you do a victory dance……there is nothing 100% that says it is all man made Mark, and the level of contribution is and always will be up for debate.”

Another disturbing thing is that people write nonsense like the one above. Making assumptions is a necessary part of any science, and nobody misunderstands that, nobody is doing a victory dance, and you write that “there is nothing 100% that says it is all man made” in a post to me, after I wrote just a little while ago (@6:09 pm) that nobody claimed that it was all man made.

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” I am sure that without the political implications there would be no doubts about the changes happening and the mankind role.”

That is your victory dance Mark. What that tells me is that you think everyone else is wrong and you are right. it’s pretty clear.

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md- going through life willing to make decisions based only on 100% certainty is not sane. The exact percentage of man’s influence on global warming is irrelevant to the generally accepted fact that it is large enough to be the primary driver.

Loud noises, bright lights, difficult decisions, certain foods or drugs can all cause headaches. So can getting hit on the head with a club.

One day you may have a headache at a loud concert with bright flashing lights, where you drank alcoholic caffeinated beverages, and are deciding whether to break up with your girlfriend. You may also get told by somebody you hate that that somebody else is hitting you over the head repeatedly with a club.

What do you do?

Do you disbelieve the guy who informed you of the clubbing? Do you refuse to even turn around to look and see if its true? If you do turn and see that it is true, what do you do then? Swear to give up caffiene?

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In his mind Jay said something, Jay is a way out commie liberal, so whatever he said must automatically be wrong.

Considering that what ever bookman says is usually wrong, I’m having a hard time following the gripe.

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Hey, Kyle! Have I been put on some sort of persona non grata list? I always play nice over here.

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“And you do know that makes no sense…right? What is the exact percentage? And at what percentage does it become the primary driver?”

Let’s say that 40% of you income goes to housing, 10% to healthcare, 10% to energy, 10% to transportation and 20% to food.

What’s the primary expense factor?
Easy, wasn’t it?

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As one who has taken more science courses and admittedly forgotten more science than a dozen of these Libs put together, I can say, the only absolute I learned in Science is to question everything and everybody. It it can’t be repeated by others when done using the same methods, it probably never happened.

Evolution has and is happening. Did we or the wood pecker get here by evolution, no one knows. How many squirrels bounced off the forest floor before they grew the webs linking their front paws? Why did flying squirrels evolve or did the other squirrels evolve and drop their webbed fore legs. No one knows, that is what is great about Science, the know it all’s don’t last long in Science. Science breeds humility, because we understand and know so little.

Often we don’t know, what we think we know.

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All the talking heads and 24/7 news cycle enablers heads would surely explode!

Now that I would watch.

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“Let’s say that 40% of you income goes to housing, 10% to healthcare, 10% to energy, 10% to transportation and 20% to food.

What’s the primary expense factor?
Easy, wasn’t it?”

Let’s say you answer the other question vs answer with a hypothetical…..

And then for grins and giggles, can you please post the data associated with the natural climate cycles of the earth, and not just the last few hundred years.

And that is where the problem begins, as we don’t have it, can’t get it and never will have it, so what do we do?

We assume……..

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That’s bs……there is nothing that proves that statement.

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There is nothing that proves God exists with 100% certainty either, and yet from your posts,you appear to conduct your life based on the assumption that he does. I assume you would agree that it is beneficial to the individual and society as a whole to conduct oneself as if God does exist, and follow his laws etc, even if it turns out he doesn’t exist.

The same could be said for man made global warming, especially since there is far more evidence that it does exist, and that the consequences of ignoring it are dire.

Just as their have been and may always be imperfect results from the application of peoples’ belief in God (war, persecution of innocents, etc.), does that convince you that belief in God should be abandoned?

Coversely, just because there will be misapplication of solutions based on the more factually based belief in manmade global warming should hardly indicate that nothing should be attempted. A guarantee of 100% perfect results is never possible for any endeavor, no matter how well grounded in fact.

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“He supposedly was basing his book on all the most advanced science available.”

He was basing his book on the fact that people are gullible……and he is dancing all the way to bank.

Cap and trade will make him a billionaire with a b, and he just sold his TV station to a group that gets their funding from oil sales………he played the game just like all the other guys that profited off the gullible masses.

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Rafe:

Conderning evolution . . . I think many times that the conversation I would much rather have is about adaptaion rather than evolution. Sometimes I believe that the wrong arguments are being made . . .

Gotta go and unplug stuff including this computer , , , severe lightning storm!

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Let’s see here, are we going to watch another obozo speech chock full of lies or are we going to watch the hockey game?

Go Blackhawks!

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“Would you take a drug thats supposed to cure some ailmet if it was offered to you by some stranger on the street, or would you go to a doctor?”

Now there is a question for the ages. most doctors are not pharmacists and go off information given to them by their drug reps. The last time I had a side effect do to a drug my doctor told me it wasn’t one of the published side affects.

And have you read the latest news out of Europe about the booster flu shots? turns out many of the kids given the shot now have permanent narcolepsy…….

So, street pusher or doctor….hmmmm.

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“Adverse Drug Reactions put 2.2 million people in hospitals and 106,000 died, “making these reactions between the fourth and sixth leading cause of death.” Journal of American Medical Assoc, 4-15-1998 ”

I have the utmost respect for doctors, but I also know they too have limitations……

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The last time I had a side effect to a drug my doctor told me it wasn’t one of the published side affects.
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Maybe that’s because you just “believed” you had a side effect, and made the assumption that the drug caused it when it did no such thing. After all, you don’t have 100% proof the alleged side effect would not have happened even if you hadn’t taken the drug, and you have no way to ever prove it. You should therefore have no objection to taking that drug again, right?

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Yesterday’s storm surge may become tomorrow’s high tide. Just ask the residents of Tuvalua, and the Kiribati islands.

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What proof do you have that any proposed solution would “ruin the economy”?

Well, how about my heating bill. Obama’s executive actions closing coal fired electrical plants is causing energy prices to rise. How about the price of gasoline. Checked the pump price lately. You think rising energy prices is good for the economy?

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“Giant Lost Island Found on Atlantic Seafloor”

http://news.discovery.com/earth/ancient-island-sank-beneath-the-atlantic-110718.htm

Hint….the tectonic plates are constantly moving……and that includes islands.

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Don’t Tread
February 12th, 2013
10:56 am

The cornerstone of the Democrat party platform is limiting the freedoms of people they don’t like. (It’s no wonder CPUSA supports them.) Bait and switch, abuse of power, the constant coverups, “selective” enforcement, etc. are all just ways “the end justifies the means”.

Bigger government = less freedom.
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Then why do republican’s keep increasing the size and influence of the government? Home Land Security, Medicare D, No Child Left Behind, etc.

Just how big should the government be with over 300,000,000 people? This isn’t 1790. At least government employees wages go back into the economy, not in an off-shore bank account.

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“At least government employees wages go back into the economy, not in an off-shore bank account.”

Yes, but they first have to come out of the economy in the form of taking them from someone else…..gov’t employees do not pay for themselves.

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The historic collection years were in 2005 and 2006, long after the Bush tax cuts went into effect.
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Heads exploding. Kinda like Obozo’s debt.

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MarkV: What is most disturbing about the global warming/climate change issue is the way politics has distorted the opinions about the state of knowledge.

You know, MarkV, I probably couldn’t have said it any better myself. Anyone who dares to hold an opinion outside of the new orthodoxy is ridiculed and ostracized. Yet many brilliant scientists like Freeman Dyson aren’t buying the hogwash. This is what Mr. Dyson has to say about the computer models which are driving the current hysteria:

“The models solve the equations of fluid dynamics, and they do a very good job of describing the fluid motions of the atmosphere and the oceans. They do a very poor job of describing the clouds, the dust, the chemistry and the biology of fields and farms and forests. They do not begin to describe the real world we live in…”

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Rafe: I can say, the only absolute I learned in Science is to question everything and everybody.

And with that statement, my friend, you have shown without a shadow of a doubt that you understand Science better than all the Libs here rolled into one.

My favorite Richard Feynman quote:

““I can live with doubt and uncertainty and not knowing. I think it is much more interesting to live not knowing than to have answers that might be wrong. If we will only allow that, as we progress, we remain unsure, we will leave opportunities for alternatives. We will not become enthusiastic for the fact, the knowledge, the absolute truth of the day, but remain always uncertain … In order to make progress, one must leave the door to the unknown ajar.”

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Bruno @ 10:02 pm

“Anyone who dares to hold an opinion outside of the new orthodoxy is ridiculed and ostracized. Yet many brilliant scientists like Freeman Dyson aren’t buying the hogwash.”

The above is, of course, hogwash. You show your colors immediately, when you call the opinion of the 97% of climatologists “hogwash.” Is that what you call scientific objectivity?

“This is what Mr. Dyson has to say about the computer models which are driving the current hysteria:
“The models solve the equations of fluid dynamics, and they do a very good job of describing the fluid motions of the atmosphere and the oceans. They do a very poor job of describing the clouds, the dust, the chemistry and the biology of fields and farms and forests. They do not begin to describe the real world we live in…””

Another piece of hogwash, and if that is an example of Mr. Dyson’s knowledge, then calling him a “brilliant scientist” is a travesty. Models are used in every field of science, and Mr. Dyson contradicts himself thoroughly in that one quoted claim. “They do not begin to describe the real world we live in…” Apparently, to Mr. Dyson, motions of atmosphere and the oceans is “not the real world we live in.” Which world is it?

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Good night to all.

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Not sure why anyone would expect the processes of adaptation and evolution would come to a halt.

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md @ 8:17 am

Is that the best you can do, a silly nonsense?

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Sorry, wrong blog.

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