Stock gains don’t make up for continued sluggishness in economy, job market

I’m one of those folks who thinks the Stock Market has little to do with the real world economy that most of us live in.

It’s just a casino for the financial types. For every winner there’s a loser and for every loser there’s a winner. It’s a lot like a poker game, you have winners and losers but the same amount of money leaves the table as came to it.

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Spinmeisters working overtime:

Dems Tout Claim: ‘Best-Looking Contraction in U.S. GDP You’ll Ever See’

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/dems-tout-claim-best-looking-contraction-us-gdp-youll-ever-see_698863.html

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Redo the bank regulations and ENFORCE them and you will see the turnaround begin.

Until the rampant deception and fraud is no longer “above the law”, no other parts of the economy will be able to thrive.

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And now, let the tax hikes and obozocare kick in and kill what evers left of it.

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The increase in the stock market is nothing more than all that new money pumped into the economy by the Fed chasing a fixed number of shares.

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Oh no, not another one!! Now all our great business men HERE will be showing their prowess in the financial world. (and I had just written my great tribute to the French in the last blog!)

There just aint no justice. Viva la variete’. I go to seek the sunshine….

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The next four years may turn out to be longer and gloomier than the previous four.

But at least we have a Biden-Hillary slug-fest to look forward to in a couple of years. I am sure they will have awesome things to say about how well we have been doing under the current regime.

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Lil’ Barry Bailout – OBAMAPHONE!!!
February 1st, 2013/12:10 pm/ “Bank regulations don’t create jobs. They destroy them. Free the banks to do what banks do, and make it clear there is not taxpayer backstop. Democrat bank regulations are nothing more than a campaign contribution shakedown scheme.”

Breaking news from the state with the most bank failures over the past two years…

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But at least healthcare insurance prices will be going down… you know, the whole “bending the cost curve down”:

IRS: Cheapest Obamacare Plan Will Be $20,000 Per Family

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/irs-cheapest-obamacare-plan-will-be-20000-family

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Stephenson Billings

February 1st, 2013
12:14 pm

Some analysts are predicting that the market will lose all its recent gains by the end of the year. Looks like another bubble….

Newt said a couple years ago that the next big bubble will be government. I believe we are in that government bubble now and when it bust it is going to be ugly.

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The recession ended nearly four years ago.

Obozo inherited a recovery and blew it.

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@Grasshopper..”Another argument for complete federal takeover of the economy perhaps? Oi…”

No just another likely futile attempt to explain to some economically challenged folks that bit$#hing about overall GDP growth while tossing a wet blanket on 40% of the total ie federal, state and local government is illogical.

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1994 to 1999?

Okay so who was President then? And what did he do to secure that kind of growth? Wait – I’ll tell you – he raised taxes on the wealthiest Americans.

Are you sure you wan to go there?

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You can’t spend your way out of a deficit, and the debt just gets bigger. But that’s not the point. The point is to spend enough money (on the right people, of course) to make the case for wealth confiscation later. You know, equality of outcome, and all that.

Some liberals are already floating that “wealth tax” idea around. I’m sure the 401(k) confiscation idea will be brought back up as well.

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It’s the 40% number that is the problem.

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@Grasshopper…”It’s the 40% number that is the problem.”

Yeah kind of like customers cause trouble for businesses…

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JDW: 40% of the total ie federal, state and local government
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Real Americans understand that that is the problem.

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“Yeah kind of like customers cause trouble for businesses…”

They do if their credit is no good but you don’t find that out until after the fact.

By the way, your 12:16…linky stinky.

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“LOL. One step above K-Mart News and 2 steps above Heritage Foundation”

Still miles above Media Matters…. but whatever. I love it when Libs resort to denigrating the source….

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“I love it when Libs resort to denigrating the source….”

Because listening to Glenn Beck really clears my mind…

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“I love it when Libs resort to denigrating the source….”

Because the source of something is SO irrelevant, after all.

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JDW:

A consistent private sector growth rate is that at which the general population expands or contracts. Here in the U.S. that is about 2% – 3% annually. Government spending has exceeded that. Clinton was projecting deficits in the range of 7% of GDP before he took office and tried to float support for a monetary stimulus when he was in office. The republican congress thwarted that.

The current FED policy is to reinflate the economy by weak dollar policy. It hasn’t worked because there is too much debt left over from the real estate crash. There is too much student loan and consumer debt. If hyperinflation occurs in this country, I hate to think of the consequences.

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Bernanke’s pump priming does nothing but chase capital into job losers like gold, government bonds and factories abroad.

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Wall Street is doing just fine while Main Street continues to suffer. Europe is seriously stumbling while we’ve been just stumbling along. The disconnect between stock market performance and our stumbling domestic economy is American based corporations are investing in foreign markets and not here. Beyond America and Europe other parts of the world are prospering and business will invest where the returns are the greatest. The Obama administration has blown dollars on stimulus, which hasn’t worked and have turned a blind eye to policies that could help recharge private sector growth rather than retard it. We have a president whose more concerned with gun control, taxing the wealthy, gay marriage, and immigration amnesty than he is about the financial well being of the nation. The fed keeps printing money and that masks the reality of deeper problems as the deficit grows. The perfect storm is building and when it hits the market will be coming down with it.

You mean like losing 6,000 points? Is that really possible?

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Bush didn’t cause the financial meltdown, he fixed it. Nearly all the TARP money has been paid back. The recession ended in June 2009.

The economy of the last couple of years belongs completely to Obozo. Unemployment is worse under Obozo than it ever was under Our President Bush. Poverty–worse. Deficits–worse. Growth–worse.

Bush: Far superior to Obozo.

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Barry,

You’ve convinced me of how much better things were under Pres. Bush.
You need to turn your attention to the Republican party. They don’t seem to have gotten the message.

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@LBB…”Bush didn’t cause the financial meltdown, he fixed it”

O look…a flying pig…wearing a skirt…smoking a cigar…LBB hurrry it needs lipstick!

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barry

Living in your fantasy world about bush? Try this –

“In fact, Democrat Bill Clinton left his Republican predecessor, George Bush, budget surpluses as far as the eye could see. What caused the explosion of Federal debt were the Bush tax cuts, and two unpaid-for wars. But even those deficits were dropping as a percent of GDP until the economy collapsed. In fact, the Congressional Budget Office estimated that they would continue to drop and turn into a surplus by 2012 — had it not been for the Bush economic collapse that lead to the Great Recession. The recession caused tax revenue to plummet, and expenditures for Federal programs like unemployment to increase. That is what caused deficits to spike to from below 2 percent of GDP in 2007 to 10 percent in 2009.”

read more http://truth-out.org/buzzflash/commentary/item/17783-the-verdict-is-in-gop-austerity-proposals-are-toxic-for-our-economy

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@Kyle…I stand behind the statement….the REASON behind the fourth quarter rate is almost ENTIRELY governmental.

Decline of 1.33% in direct government impact

PLUS

Decline of 1.27% in inventories mostly caused by government…read Republican…inflicted uncertainty.

EQUALS

A net impact of – 2.6%

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Nice try Kyle, but you guys (you and the other cons), keep trying to justify your completely missing the mark. This recovery is proceeding as it should and will only improve over the next two to three years. Keep up your weak commentary that seems to make you feel good. The smart money continues to bet on the economy, not the blathering of you cons who have no clue.

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@…”Our President Bush’s leadership led to TARP”

BAWWWWWWWHHHAAAAAAA…YOUR President Duhbya was at least smart enough to know he had stepped in it….which is more than you can say for the most of the rest of the Republicans….

TARP vote counts

In the House Republican 91 Yea; 108 Nay

In the Senate Republican 33 Yea; 15 Nay

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Off topic: Scott Brown not running for Kerry’s senate seat!

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/02/01/brown-wont-seek-mass-senate-seat/

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Did Our President Bush not propose TARP? He did. Did he lead the effort to get it passed? Indeed he did. Did he sign his own bill? Yep.

Did the recession end in June 2009? Yes again.

How did Obozo blow it so badly?

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Oh look….old witch doctor (dds) woke from his slumber to inform the blissfully ignorant “cons” that up is down, down is up and a negative growth in GDP is good. He/she/it must write for Big Brother.

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Don’t believe this for a minute, the “Liberal Media” is just making this up. Those dang leftist corporations are making record profits and my 401k is going up like crazy. The whole thing is wrong. If Romney had wont he Dow would be at 15000 by now.

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Hmmm, things not looking so good here.

Out of 70 comments, 15 were made by JDW. Five replies by Kyle to JDW

If this were a horse race, I ‘d say JDW was ahead by a nose. No betting allowed.

Now back to the sunshine.

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JDW: Nope Henry Paulson proposed TARP…Duhbya shut up and did as told
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JDW just gave up.

Your complete, total, and unconditional surrender are accepted.

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revised government data showed that the economy added 335,000 more jobs than originally estimated during all of 2012, including an additional 150,000 in the last quarter of the year. That was on top of the previously reported fourth-quarter job growth of 603,000 and 2012 growth of 2.2 million. (U.S. Labor Dept. report).

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@LBB…”Your complete, total, and unconditional surrender are accepted.”

Hummmm that sounds really familar…where have I heard that load of rubbish before



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retiredds: 335,000 more jobs…an additional 150,000…job growth of 603,000
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And yet, there are no more people working today than when Obozo took office four years ago.

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barry

It’s one thing to be critical of president obama, which is ok but you really lose credibility by burying your head in the sand about bush. When you look at the job losses beginning in sept 08 thru june 09, we lost close to a million jobs a month! Now how much tax revenue was lost along with it in every business across the books? The deficit was mostly incurred by your hero george bush’s tenure – sorry that the truth hurts.

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Sailfish: The deficit was mostly incurred by your hero george bush’s tenure
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Our President Bush never ran, much less proposed, a trillion dollar deficit. Your messiah does it every year.

Head in the sand? You.

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“Our President Bush never ran, much less proposed, a trillion dollar deficit”

he loves to lie about this he do…………….

See 2009 project deficit projection

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“Lil B: your problem is you keep living in the past”

Give her a break. When it is all you, it is all you have

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Living in the past? Unlike the Bush-blamers, eh?

Your messiah is a failure. You voted for an America-hating liberal fascist. It’s the present and future Real Americans are concerned with and Obozo threatens it.

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I long for the good old days, 750,000 jobs a month lost. Kyle and his merry band could spin puppy’s and Kitty’s as bad news.

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Oh the little one is so hilarious when he is pouty and angry………… as always

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You cannot take the growth in GDP measured during the bubble and then extrapolate “normal” economic trends. The bubble created value where there was none — hence the correction.

Second, the bankers who move the stock market are rewarding the “job creators” for not creating jobs. Personnel costs hinder profits. As long as technology and cheap overseas labor can be used to increase productivity (and productivity and gdp are increasing) while decreasing expenses like labor, health insurance, etc … then Wall Street will support higher valuation of your company.

Oh, and the .1 drop is noise… no one has validated the measure for GDP as accurate to .1 percent.

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Oh, and the .1 drop is noise… no one has validated the measure for GDP as accurate to .1 percent.
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I guess if growth was what it should be after a recession, for example the 6-7% that Our President Reagan produced following the Carter disaster, there wouldn’t be a debate about -0.1% being noise.

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Actually growth rates under Reagan averaged 2.77%, but if one wants to be disingenuous or a liar, I guess they could take rates over a period of time and push it as the norm for what occurred when Reagan was in office.

Just the facts, just the facts

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“The job growth under the Reagan administration was an average of 2.1% per year, with unemployment averaging 7.5%. The unemployment averaged 6.4 percent under President Carter and 7.8 percent under President Ford.”

bwhahahahahahahahahahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhaaahahahahah

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I’ll take the momentary good economic news with the proverbial grain of salt, as it seems the FED did as well, Kyle. Still a great deal of fiscal gloom on the economic horizon.

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2 things the libs have totally wrong but just will not give up on, they repeat them ad nausem, even though they know they are wrong. They like the effect the charges have on the low information voters. 1,2,3 here we go.

2 credit card financed wars caused our problems, yet the cost of those two wars was about 1 T, not anymore than the Obama credit card Stimulus, so if Warren Buffet was to feel all philanthropic and pay the taxes he owes and any remaining amount needed to cover the cost of the two wars, we would still owe about 15.6 Trillion dollars and have a 1+T dollar deficit. I guess the economy would be red hot then, getting those wars off the books, huh?

And the other is that so called legal assault rifles are rapid fire, throwing bursts of bullets into those poor children. 100 bullets per minute, per Sen Feinstein. The low information public thinks this is true and the left never passes up an opportunity to press this advantage. They know that it takes one trigger pull to launch each projectile, which is the same as grandpa’s shotgun, but never correct a mistaken impression, if it supports your ideology.

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Rafe Hollister preparing for an Obamanist America

What are you doing to prepare?

Your recommendations might be helpful.

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This country has finally recovered from the debacle of the W presidency.

It took 5 years but we have finally caught back up and can move forward.

Every economic indicator is looking better and better.

And the housing market is about to roar back.

I understand that the market hitting 14,000 is reason for Kyle and his minions to sweat.

Whatever you think of that number they dont like it because it might suggest that Obama is doing a good job.

And that cannot be tolerated.

So we get this nonsense.

Thank god Americans dont buy into the crap being peddled here.

Things are getting better.

Let the good times roll……

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Well, speak of the devil.

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http://democraticactionteam.org/redstatesocialism/

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So I guess the continual reduction in percentage of Government spending as part of the GDP, which is a hallmark of GOP thinking, is showing. You’re getting what you wanted. Less spending.

And since you brought it up, European Austerity is hurting Europe. What the heck makes you think American austerity won’t hurt America? The 15% reduction in DOD spending is what caused the contraction. Europe and China are struggling, you know, our largest trade partners in this global economy you so wanted to be a part of. That we’ve been growing while they weren’t doesn’t mean anything?

How many of that 8.5 million who dropped out of the work force are a part of the 65k/day who are retiring? (hint: it’s most of them). There isn’t an explosion of homelessness – except in NYC because the housing subsidies for the poor were chopped, again, less Government spending right there (ignoring that sheltering them costs more than helping them with rent).

And I know the GOP loves to make up math … now you’re mad about what “could have” happened? Yes, such a strong financial argument there. While we’re at it, let’s ponder about what the nation could have done had we not been led astray under the previous administration. I’ll have THAT chat with ya if you truly want to compare what ifs.

We’ll ignore that this administration has deported more people than any other. We’ll keep blaming illegals for the problems.

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Meanwhile, the Census Bureau said that construction spending rose 0.9% in December, which was well above expectations.

“The revisions point to a fairly healthy 181,000 per month trend in 2012, which is more than strong enough over time to bring down the unemployment rate,” said Jim O’Sullivan, chief U.S. economist at High Frequency Economics.

Just terrible news.

How will we survive ?

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How did that 2010 GOP jobs campaign work out.

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Oh, the bad news just won’t stop…

Breaking
NewsDow closes above 14,000 for the first time since October 2007. All 3 major indexes post gains for a fifth straight week.

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I’m not completely sure what point you are trying to make, but the fact remains that the wealthiest 1% of Americans own 34% of U.S. stock, the next 9% own 47%, and the remaining 90% of Americans own only 19%.

So — based on your statistics and setting aside for the moment any disagreements about the causes of the Great Recession — the people who own corporate America have already recovered to 2007 levels while the people who work for corporate America are not expected to recover for another 10 years.

Given this disparity, shouldn’t public policy be focused on training, educating and putting the bottom 90% back to work rather than further enriching the top 10%? And while we are at it, why not try to ensure that all workers receive the medical care they need to remain healthy and productive?

Is that per se socialist?

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Cheesy you hit on the most important thing here.

Thing are getting better and the cons are scared to death that the average Joe, who doesn’t pay attention to politics, will begin to realize that he’s better off. When that happens, he will be less likely to buy into the cons’ unthinking hatred of the Kenyan socialist in the White House.

And they will become even more irrelevant than they are now.

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So President Obama hikes taxes on the one percent and the stock market roars back to record highs. Who’da thunk it. Certainly not Kyle.

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The reason for the sluggish economy is well-known to economists (except the political ones). The economy should have been jump-started in 2009-2010 with massive government spending on infrastructure projects. Instead, there was a small stimulus spent on this and that, just enough to hold the economy back from depression but not enough to kick it into action.

There’s still time for a real stimulus. Interest rates on borrowed money are nearrly zero, and our infrastructure is creaking and cracking for lack of attention.

Massive government spending lifted us out of the Great Depression, and massive government spending can lift us out of sluggishness. The stimulus that ended the Great Depression is called World War II.

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The top one percent needed a recovery?

Dang, that is news!

Then again I really didn’t notice big government losing any ground either. But when the twain can be said one and the same… well, silly me for mentioning.

Is that per se socialist?

Only when it is accomplished via employing the cornerstone and mantra of Marx, by taking from each according to their ability and giving to each according to their need. Particularly when it is by force of a strong central government.

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I’m beginning to think Kyle is rooting against America. His theme is everything that happensis negative, he’s believing his own BS.

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Skip: I’m beginning to think
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An obvious lie.

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What if public policy was based, not on “the cornerstone and mantra of Marx,” but instead on a recognition of the simple reality that the top tiers of a society cannot remain prosperous if the bottom tiers are hollowed out?.

We have heard so much in recent years about how the well-being of “job creators” is the key to prosperity. In fact, the prosperity of job creators is dependent on their ability to leverage the education, training, health and efforts of their workers. The top tiers of a society are primary beneficiaries when the fundamental needs of the bottom tiers are met. That’s not Marxist. That’s just common sense.

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Sailfish, I only hold Obama responsible for what he has added to the National debt, something like 5.6T dollars. We were already over leveraged and he increased the debt by 50% in four years, not something we needed. He campaigned on Bush’s irresponsible and unpatriotic debt and he doubled it.

Funny, we are back where we were in 2007 and the Obamabots are tingling all down their leg. Yet, everyday they bash trickle down and how Bush was so awful, yet Obama’s zenith is he is back where Bush had us, before the housing bubble bursts. Bush, although an irresponsible and unpatriotic spender, had a great economy from the time we recovered from the dot com bubble, around 2003 to 2007. Obama wishes he could put up those kind of numbers.

If tax cuts did not stimulate the economy, Reagan and Bush would not have had those economic numbers. Obama knows that, but instead of giving us 1T in tax cuts that would have made the economy soar, he chose to redistribute the trillion in government spending to help his friends and supporters.

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How many times do the libs have to have the reality hammered into their heads that the stock market is no longer an indicator of economic health?

Unemployment numbers and underemployment both higher that when President Incompetent took office four years ago. Total employment lower. Gas prices higher.

But keep celebrating mediocrity.

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Please don’t tell Warren Buffet the stock market is just too risky, it’s a real money loser.

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If they were only limited to double standards, Michael. . . .

They’re all over the map as long as it fits their warped narratives.

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llb

Until this post I didn’t mention Obama, if you are able, less projection and more staying on point, but keep swinging with that wiffle ball bat………..

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I guess Obama regime has declared a war on women, they have moved to exempt religious organizations from having to provide birth control free through their insurance. We all learned, during the election, that forcing women to pay for their own birth control, is a declaration of war on the fairer sex.

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They’re all over the map as long as it fits their warped narratives.

Touché

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August 1941 – Army Chief of Staff George Marshall is trying to get Republicans to go along with a bill authorizing an extension of the draft. A Republican responds “I will be damned if I am going along with Mr. Roosevelt”. Marshall, a man of great integrity responds “You are going to let plain hatred of the personality dictate to you to do something that you realize is very harmful to the interest of the country”.

It would be nice to think, 70+ years later, that Republicans have long since moved past that kind of narrow, bigoted thinkin.

Unfortunately, they are even worse now and remain “the Party of hate”.

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JDW, it sure is a good thing Obozo did away with that awful Medicare Part D, eh?

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Merely another artificial bubble subject to collapse if things go sideways:

http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/rick-newman/2012/09/12/why-wall-street-loves-quantitative-easing

Generally, when bonds go down stocks go up…..and that in a nut shell is QE-Ind

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Reading some of these post you begin to realize how few people understand the stock market or the true strength of the American economy per se’.

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“Among the major worker groups, the unemployment rates for adult men (7.3 percent), adult women (7.3 percent), teenagers (23.4 percent), whites (7.0 percent), blacks (13.8 percent), and Hispanics (9.7 percent) showed little or no change in January. The jobless rate for Asians was 6.5 percent (not seasonally adjusted), little changed from a year earlier.”
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Obozo may be a failure, but he’s your failure, eh, receptacles?

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Tiberius – 6:16

Get real. You and I both know what you really want is a whiter White House. Deny it all you want. The venom and hatred for Obama just spews out of you.

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indigo – 6:30

Non-sense, I want a righter White House, which you and yours will hate.

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Are blacks who criticize Their President Bush racists too?

Or is this just another of your double standards, idigo?

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The thing I like about Herman Cain, in contrast to Obozo, is that he loves America.

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You and I both know what you really want is a whiter White House.

indigo–Why don’t you take your race-baiting elsewhere, loser??

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I have no doubt President Incompetent loves America, lbb.

Nowhere else could someone so utterly unqualified be able to rise to such a position of power.

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For Bruno

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCh7z5EwYF8

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LOL @ HD–That’s pretty much half of my day.

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“We need better job reports but the rest of the numbers are looking good.”

Negative growth is now considered to be a good number? I’ve heard it all now……

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Michael S. Smith – 6:35
Barry – 6:41
Tiberius – 6:44
Bruno – 6:49

In the words of Paul Simon

say now who do
who do you think you’re fooling?

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Yuz, Britain DIDN’T enact austerity. They admitted earlier their efforts fell short.

And there was never any new McConnell 60 vote rule.

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Isn’t negative growth the same thing as shrinkage? It has been cold, after all.

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So, after hating on them for the better part of their meaningless adult lives, the socialists now leap in the air over the success of the 1 percenters down on Wall Street. Amazing, isn’t it? I am aghast and somehow heartened that a pinko has actually found an affinity for corporate profits! Will the acceptance of exorbitant executive pay be our next break through? How are we liking those golden parachutes now?

Still got a ways to go, however, little two faced libbies, to get to George W Bush’s high of 14,162.

Betcha don’t make it.

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Keeping with the spirit of Friday night -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C53QAuOoSgc

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In the words of Paul Simon

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvliMzAFWHM

Here, indigo, let some of Paul’s cool rub off on you. It might help.

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Kyle, I want you to team up with td and take on all of us liberals, post for post. You and td are two peas in a pod, although the pods are a little different.

You were in the honors program at UGA??? Doesn’t say much for that program, young man. They obviously didn’t focus on teaching humanity.

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Can “humanity” really be taught? Seems to me you either have it or you don’t.

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Bruno,

The time has come to take the bull by the horns
We’ve been so downhearted, we’ve been so forlorn
We get weak and we want to give in
But we still need each other if we want to win

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVatBy_4GpM

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Salt Lake Tribune: (Atlanta) A student opened fire at his middle school Thursday afternoon, wounding a 14-year-old in the neck before an armed officer working at the school was able to get the gun away, police said.
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Told ya.

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Does Serious Roebuck have some sort of point he’d like to make?

Because I missed it in his last post.

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Yeah, she is a stunner. And I love how LA and Lincoln/Athens made those great records together.

I’ll try, but he doesn’t listen too well!

So, if you see me walking all alone
Don’t look back, I’m just on my way back home

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgAYePzb9yQ

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Serious Robuck

February 1st, 2013
7:17 pm

Kyle, I want you to team up with td and take on all of us liberals, post for post. You and td are two peas in a pod, although the pods are a little different.

You were in the honors program at UGA??? Doesn’t say much for that program, young man. They obviously didn’t focus on teaching humanity.

The last time you tangled with me I taught you about the genetic gene pool of south Ga. Are you really calling me out again?

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Hey, josef. Thanks for dropping by, Brother. Poor ol’ Hillbilly thought he done ditched us…….

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“Isn’t negative growth the same thing as shrinkage?”

Or contraction….or reduction…..or smaller…..or bad number, but nowhere close to being “good”.

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In saying so, I was pointing out Bruno’s obvious defensiveness.

That seems to be a common Lib strategy on these blogs: Toss around some ridiculous insults, then declare victory if anyone objects.

You need some new material, old timer.

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td, I think it’s really funny that you criticize South Georgians. The typical white South Georgia idiot is just like you; he’s your ally; without him, Republicans would not run this backward state. You are a perfect idiot, and you don’t want to dance with the girl you brung here.

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Not only do I know my politics, I know my music -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSllNKhzKx8

Lucky you.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_Dp2Z-CN_w

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Thank you, Bruno, for your cogent admonition. Your material, unlike mine, is always so fresh and crisp and clear. Right!

I think the moniker Bruno is really fitting. But Brutus or Hercules might have been even better, kiddo.

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SERIOUS

Is what you posted at 7:43 your idea of “smarter and more compassionate?”

Imeoiauo, it’s dumb and hateful…

But, then, what do I know? I’m just a run of the mill bleeding heart liberal…

That said…

BRUNO
Thanks for the invitation…

HILLBILLY

I’m always amused by the use of the term “the humanities.”

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2DglHU04rQ

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Serious Robuck

February 1st, 2013
7:43 pm

td, tell me again about the genetic gene pool of South Georgia. I forgot. Then tell me about the genetic gene pool that created you, little buddy.

You know the county in which you grew up in that has not had any new genetic material introduced since the early 1800’s.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zISiQ6PqATI

Enjoy

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josef @ 7:54

Me too. It’s like “critical thinking”. In my world, if you ain’t born with that, you won’t survive.

By the way, finished reading “America Aflame” by David Goldfield. It made some good points, in the beginning, but overall, I felt it was a waste of time. He makes inexcusable factual errors (he has Jeff Davis captured 2 months after the surrender, in North Florida and he has Patrick Cleburne with 49 bullet holes in him, which was a battlefield myth, among other things). I think mainly his book is just a diatribe against religion. He seemed to always come back to it being the cause of any ill.

I’m now well into “We Have The War Upon Us”, by William J Cooper. Think you would find it interesting. Cooper is a history professor, not sure if that qualifies him as a “major historian” or not.

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HILLBILLY

Did he get Jeff confused with Judah P? A lot of people did!

Speaking of my man Patrick, do you know of any biography of him you’d recommend?

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Rafe @ 7:51 pm

“Regarding your Herman Cain/stock mkt hypocrisy comment. The same is true for the libs, …”

Rafe,

I did not aim my comment at conservatives/Republicans exclusively. One can find this way of dealing with subjects on both sides of the political spectrum.

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One for the band. Great having the gang together once in a while:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LXzRp05VJo

Enjoyed the S & G, HD.

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osef

February 1st, 2013
8:07 pm

td

And, pray tell, what county would that be? Seriously/

I can not remember exactly but it was one of those counties next to a coastal county. If you look at all of them then you will find that their population are about the same now as they were in the 1800 census. People do not move to those counties but they do move out so over the years that gene pool is getting smaller and smaller. If you then account for the number in the different races and know they did not interbreed for 150 years then the gene pools really get smaller and smaller.

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He was shot in the battle of Shiloh and the coin saved his life as the bullet hit the coin.

I did see an interesting episode of “Myth Busters” in which they tested the feasibility of another Civil War legend involving pregnancy via bullet. In other words, the perfect shot which first pierced the male in exactly the right body part and then lodged itself into the proper female counterpart, leading to young Beauregard 9 months later. Apparently more than one young lady had offered this as their excuse…….

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THE BAND

Well, as I always say…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATQ9KcELAJQ

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OK, B.

Here’s a Leadon song to make up for the last one. Sorta. (grin)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbpw6LG5a8I

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According to the evening news, it’s all smiles on Wall Street.

According to the evening news, it’s still all tears for 12 million Americans on Main Street.

Sociopathic Capitalism at it’s finest.

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Serious Robuck

February 1st, 2013
8:13 pm

td, tell me again about the genetic gene pool that created you.

Why do have such disdain for rural white South Georgians? Your comments about South Georgians are really cruel. There are many people there today who read and think and care about their fellow human beings.

I guess living in the intellectual nirvana of Paulding County creates your haughty attitude. Is that right, td? Or if not, tell me why you think you’re superior to the white folks in my native county, whatever county that may be.

Sorry. I was born and raised in Cobb county. I never said I was superior to anyone. I just said the gene pool in that county in south GA was about like the royal family in England. Not a whole lot of branches off the family tree.

Never said cruel things about all of South Georgia. Have many friends in South Georgia that are great people.

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At the time, this was my idea of country music…

(Hey, he is from Beaumont!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hz5PYxEHb6o

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I’ll never forget landing at LAX at 4 AM, still 17 years old and a long way from Jersey.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3H0ma6BQa-w

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BTW

Really enjoying the Seger.. still my favorite of his so that tells you how old I am…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2aBOTNGWMY

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One last Seger:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsnZMee16lk&feature=endscreen&NR=1

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josef

February 1st, 2013
8:26 pm

td

“For the record, there has been a great deal of inmigration to that area…”

There really has not been and you know it. Migration patterns in the coastal counties are fine but those counties next too the coastal counties is slim at best the past 150 years.

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And now for something completely different………….

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB8txXS2PFs

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At the time, this was my idea of country music…

Jam–I’ve been lucky enough to see both Winters brothers. I saw Johnny in the early 80s at the old Strand theater on the Marietta Square. Edgar knocked it out of the park at one of the Music Midtown fests, only to be followed on stage by Dave Mason. Freakin awesome.

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Probably nobody has ever heard this one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pskJl5G1p7M

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Jam–In case your in the zone, I’ve been saving this Rick Derringer number for you. Real trippy, quite a departure from “Rock and Roll Hoochie Coo”.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CG0sqhHoTWA

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Hey TD–How did your football season turn out?? Triple thumbs up here. We need to get together next year.

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Serious Robuck

February 1st, 2013
8:39 pm

td, I’ll take that as a smart apology. Advice: don’t belittle your natural allies, td.

What apology? You are the one that called me out. I am as mild mannered as can be to everyone that is the same to me. I do truly believe that you treat people the way you want to be treated but I also believe that the only way to stop a bully is to punch them in the nose. This is called a passive/aggressive personality and I have it.

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It is only going to get worse in the next few generations since we are now having so many children being born out of wedlock and growing up not having a clue who their father is.

Maybe in the big cities but out where I live, everybody knows who really belongs to who. I can remember my Grandma laughing about a little boy who lived across the road from her mother-in-law (my great-Grandma), yelling out to her one day, “Mrs (withheld), if you want to see my new baby sister, she’s down at Mrs (also withheld)’s house. That was nearly 100 years ago.

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One more rippin’ Rick Derringer number:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwNoFORVtmk

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td–I meant Big TD, Thulsa Doom. You’re little td.

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Bruno,

I was just messing around. I took $100 built it up to $800, lost it back down to $400 and cashed out before I lost it all. Didn’t need the money so I don’t even know why I cashed out to tell you the truth. I usually just leave money in the account till the next season unless I win in the thousands. Cashed out $3500 a few years ago which was cool. Was going to reload but just never did. The only thing that sucks about gambling is that the height of the season is during the height of my business so there’s not much time to do research. And my feeling is that if you really do your research that you can and will win. Time- you can never have enough of it.

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Hey td–Which neighborhood?? I used to deliver pizzas there back in the day, back when Julia Roberts was working at the DQ on South Cobb Drive.

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Where’s the metalheads tonight- and where is Moonbat Betty when I need a good metal fix?

Don’t despair Thulsa –

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QP-SIW6iKY

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And, just in case that wasn’t enough -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUHFfR8hWcA

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Bob Seger and the Silver Bullet band……Atlanta, 1977 Dog Days Festival w/ Cheap Trick, Foreigner, Heart, and Atlanta Rhythm Section. Cost to get in was $10.

md–Same summer, $10 got us Dickey Betts, J Geils Band, Lynyrd Skynyrd and Peter Frampton at the old JFK stadium in Philly. Plenty of party supplies being passed around that day.

CC–Thanks for the contributions.

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TD

First, you said since the early 1800s, now you say the last 150 years. Pretty big jump there, but understandable since you seem to be of the Oglethorpe’s thieves mythology (or as Mr Wolfe would have put it, “our lives are haunted by a Georgia slattern because and English cutpurse went unhung. )

Between 1800 and 1830 the area had drawn in a tremendous mixture of the native Creek and various European ethnicities who interbred (expanding the gene pool extensively since many of the Europeans were not only English, Irish and Scots, but Austrians, Hungarians as well as Germans and Dutch).

Following the Removals, large numbers of Mixed bloods “hiding out” came in from both North Florida
and Central Geogia.

Following the Civil War, the exploitation of the pine resources brought in considerable numbers of North Carolinians who were involved in the pine industries. Again, widening the gene pool. Many of those counties encouraged disabled Union soldiers to come down to escape the effects of the cold winters on their war wounds…look up the history of Fitzgerald for an example of this…

Like most of the rest of the rural South, these counties lost much of their population in the early to mid 20th Century due to outmigration for economic reasons which is why their populations are, even today in some cases, less than they were at the turn of the century.)

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Bruno…that $10 is why I have such a hard time going to concerts these days, it’s tough shelling out that 75-100 knowing what we used to get for much less.

A bit like buying cars for me, they now cost what I paid for my first house…..

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Shhh, I won’t stay long. Not trying to sneak into the Beaucoup Boys Club here. I’ve never heard a rock star in person, am not a major historian.and sometimes wear high heels. Don’t think I fit in here…

I just wanted to say “Hi” to Josef. Come again, my dexterously worded friend. I raise my glass of Manichevitz to you. G’nite.

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Tulsa

Yep. I liked that one!

HILLBILLY
@ 8:52 AND 8:54

And that just proves it! They’re my cousins in more ways than one! That’s my dad’s side, but they are also relatives on my mom’s side…there were all part of the GTT (Gone to Texas) migration from Mississippi following the Wah-uh and continued a process there that had been going on all the way down from the Tidewater.

I got a funny for ya…when we were living Up North we were talking about ethnicities one night and Unmentionable made the comment that “the French comes in on my Choctaw side and the Irish on my Cherokee side,” The Yankees were, like, “hunh?” The Southerners were, like, okay.

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Bruno

February 1st, 2013
9:11 pm

I worked at the Big Star in King Springs plaza in the mid 80’s and worked a few days at the one near Pat Mell. Grew up on the west side of South Cobb drive. I remember those trailer parks and we stayed away from them as teenagers. You could get your head cracked real easy if you said the wrong thing.

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DUSTY

L’chaim!

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Y’all got nothing on me, I saw the Marshall Tucker Band, Jimmy Buffett and the Richie Furay Band for $5.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13JK5kChbRw

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She’s my sister-in-law Sandra’s first cousin in the Choctaw line! (For real) and my birthday is the 3rd of June. I got to cover the filming of the movie for the paper when it was being made…

Didn’t take long for josef to start upstaging me…..The only thing worse than an unrepentant Reb is a big-talking, name-droppin’ unrepentant Reb.

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Rock shows were cheap back in the day. (T’was the time before greed was a god.)

All those glam bands got their chance thanks to these guys…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-bfcjpZ5vM

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Aesop,

Yeah. I know the Hollies aint metal. I like most music but metal is my favorite. I just decided to go mellow tonight with the Hollies till you got me jumping with the 2 Metallicas.

Now as for metal. Here’s some classic metal from side 2 of Paranoid that most metalheads don’t even know about. Now this is dark.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhOJSUErBWM

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I saw Marshall Tucker Band for free the last year that Toy was still alive at Piedmont Park.

I saw the original line-up, before Tommy got killed. Smoking band they were.

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Bruno

February 1st, 2013
9:27 pm

We have a few of those trailer parks out in Paulding county now. I would not go into them without heavy armament today.

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I feel cheated. The first price I remember paying for my Oscar Osbourne ticket back in the day was $16. I call him Oscar because my buddy asked off from his job for that night at Shoneys to go to the concert. A week or 2 later he asked his boss if he could have Friday night off again. His boss looked at him and said “Didn’t I let you off a Friday night or 2 ago to go see Oscar Osbourne?”. Billy looked at him with a straight face and said “NO, I didn’t go see Oscar Osbourne”. Technically Billy was correct. And yeah. His boss let him off that Friday night since he insisted he didn’t swore he didn’t see Oscar Osbourne.

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Cutty

February 1st, 2013
9:35 pm

Kyle voted for Newt. I’ll take his views on the economy with a grain of salt.

Isn’t that the same Newt that forced Clinton to sign those balanced budgets that produced the roaring economy of the late 90’s? I can see how you would not want to listen to that philosophy.

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Well, I ain’t got no problem with trailer parks myself…of course, I was raised to not think I was any better than anybody else, just behave myself and act right when in somebody else’s house…

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td and Bruno,

What’s the deal with being scared of trailer parks? I’ve done business in several trailer parks and never felt any fear or felt threatened at all. Seen a few drunks and sloppy dressed characters but never seen anything threatening.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_jHY1CXK0I

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Thulsa – Let’s go all Randy Rhoads -

In interviews, Ozzie acts as if those were his favorite years.

Here’s some classic metal from side 2 of Paranoid that most metalheads don’t even know about. Now this is dark.

Ozzie’s eyes do look a little scary in the video.

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Enjoyed the visit…gotta run…

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He was a master -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwFNh2xaRsU

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“I think that’s one big advantage that rural/small town people have is that we all interact.”

Hillbilly D,

You hit upon a very important point about living in the country. I’m out here in rural Walton county. My house is decent and the house to the right is beautiful, the one across the road decent as well and same with the one to the left. 3 lots down down is a rundown trailer in one direction. In the same direction on the other side is also about the worst looking trailer you’ve ever seen. And I know and speak to the people that live in both trailers as well as 2 of the 3 neighbors in houses. Guy next door is kind of a hermit. And in my block there is a mix of fairly successful people, some retirees, and some folks including 2 families that their kids now in their 20s through their 40s are constantly in and out of jail due to meth issues and just general criminality. In 1/4 square mile I’ve got a mix of the always do well, the do okay, and the never do wells. And the people that do okay or do well have no issue being neighborly or having a conversation with the people not doing so well. Its a strange mix but its also a mix of people that all experience and at least know each other.

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Well, if you’re going all 80s on me, HD, I’ll have to throw this one back at ya:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKWbMJOIkUk

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LOL at Hilly D!

And a great, deep Badfinger cut.

What a sad statement that this guy is not in that supposed HoF in Cleveland, huh?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4-IZTZkTY8

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If you like a tight band

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCHmwi5bMso#t=0m45s

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HD–Boz will be playing in Biloxi in April. If I can get Jam to get past his anti-Mississippi prejudices, it could be a fun trip.

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Back at ya, HD, with a song made famous by Boz Scags old running mate, Steve Miller. Here’s the original by Les Dudek:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_Rf3M1J4WI

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Yep, something is definitely not right with that place.

I’m just thankful that at least the one in Cooperstown is a paragon of how it should be done. And no one gets in this year. As a helmeted Arte Johnson used to say……. verrrrrrrrrry interesting.

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I always liked both incarnations of this band but I one of the things I liked about the Michael McDonald era was that Tiran Porter got to showcase his bass chops.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G54lfxiid_w

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At least these guys made it in in 2010, possibly my favorite band as a teen:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RSK1JIb62c

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From the same album:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xl58Q-hBE-k

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OK, gang. Gonna leave you with this one.

Enjoy…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJM7TdshUbw

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There’s some really talented people on You-tube. For anybody is interested in music and what goes into it, this guy’s channel is worth a look. He breaks down Beatles’ songs, singing all the parts and explaining them. He’s a pretty good singer in his own right. Sometimes he breaks down the instrumentation, too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5XUQeYe118

Nite all.

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“f tax cuts did not stimulate the economy, Reagan and Bush would not have had those economic numbers. Obama knows that, but instead of giving us 1T in tax cuts that would have made the economy soar, he chose to redistribute the trillion in government spending to help his friends and supporters.”

Absolute lunacy, that’s all I have to say…

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If only we were more like Ireland, Kyle would think he were in heaven.

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hillbilly d

That was pretty cool…of course lennon had a killer voice but so did paul and george and sometimes ringo! Back atcha-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvlfSaiZ3XM

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Snirt…

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A leaked report by a United Nations’ group dedicated to climate studies says that heat from the sun may play a larger role than previously thought.

“[Results] do suggest the possibility of a much larger impact of solar variations on the stratosphere than previously thought, and some studies have suggested that this may lead to significant regional impacts on climate,” reads a draft copy of a major, upcoming report from the U.N.’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC).

Go figure. How many decades did it take the libs to ask themselves gee, what’s this giant hot glowing orb in the sky and what does it have to do with the Earth’s warmth? Nah, it must be this lawnmower that’s making it snow in June or maybe that cow over there in the field. Can I get a duh?

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“Go figure. How many decades did it take the libs to ask themselves gee, what’s this giant hot glowing orb in the sky and what does it have to do with the Earth’s warmth? Nah, it must be this lawnmower that’s making it snow in June or maybe that cow over there in the field. Can I get a duh?”

Fox News breaks the story as reported by an internet blogger who read page 11 of a UN report in December. Glenn Beck’s the Blaze “news network” cherry picks and takes it out of context to advance a conspiracy theory, and Aesop, I Report, whomever starts the spread. Hilarious.

““The solar component is real but not of sufficient magnitude to have driven most of the warming of the late 20th century,” Pat Michaels, the former president of the American Association of State Climatologists, and current director of the Center for the Study of Science at the Cato Institute, told FoxNews.com.
The U.N. report also says that the effect of solar activity will be “much smaller than the warming expected from increases in [man-made] greenhouse gases.”
An estimate from NASA said that solar variations caused 25 percent of the 1.1 degree Fahrenheit warming that has been observed over the past century.”

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@LBB…”it sure is a good thing Obozo did away with that awful Medicare Part D, eh?”

It was the part where Duhbya just sorta kinda forgot to arrange funding that was and remains the problem…you know that whole deficit spending concept that Republicans harp on everytime a Democrat is in office and otherwise ignore.

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Anka? The State?

I quoted the climatologist at THE CATO INSTITUTE (founded by Charles Koch) as “reported” in the article from which you lifted your post, fool.

More reading and comprehension increases the ability to think for yourself.

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“Yeah, only after a sneak attack whose warnings his FBI leadership ignored forced him into a war he had previously stayed out of. … Soon after he put us on a road to bankruptcy with TARP to address the subprime mortgage crisis.”

Change a few words, take things out of context and it Sounds like GWB and 9/11.

That’s how you do it Aesop.

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Go figure, RA, the Right is open to the opinions of others, I know, what a surprise to a close minded lefty that must be. This specimen that you are quoting was born in the swaddling cloth of state level ignorance. I’ll be sure to boycott Cato for listening to him, uh huh.

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“Clinton had it in balance”

Repeating this ad nauseum doesn’t make it so.

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Tiberius – 9:51

Try to understand.

It’s really not that hard.

Getting your history information from Rush, The NRA, The Republican Party and your fundamentalist pastor is really not the best way to learn.

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No, MarkV, we leave the laughing matter to you libs.

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Indigo, is there ever going to come a time when you get something right?

Don’t listen to Rush (except for maybe 10 minutes every so often on the way to work during commercials on my other stations), I do NOT belong to the NRA, I am NOT a Republican and I AM an Agnostic.

But other than that, son, you’ve really nailed me.

Remember what happens when you assume something, Indigo?

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JDW, the attack on Pearl Harbor and it’s warnings that were ignored is an historical fact. You’d know that if you read, you know, actual history.

FDR’s neutrality before Peal Harbor is an historical fact. You’d know that if you read, you know, actual history.

The shipload of Jewish refugees being turned away is an historical fact, which you’d know if you read, you know, actual history.

Social Security and other social programs are driving us to national bankruptcy, which you’d know if you could, you know, add and subtract.

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Wow, stating something once is now considered a “repeat” in Real Athens’ limited mind.

Where did you learn English, son?

The same place you learn to race pimp?

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Newsweak, hahahahahaha

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And a poll which puts President Incompetent in the Top 10?

Where did they find these “historians”? Hidden in the sub basement of the DNC?

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@Tiberius…you really are a maroon…

December 6 2008 “Historians say they have concluded the United States had no advance notice Japan intended to attack Pearl Harbor Dec. 7, 1941, settling a long-debated issue.”

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2008/12/06/Pearl-Harbor-warning-tale-debunked/UPI-21811228612980/

From Saving the Jews by Robert Rosen…”The SS St. Louis Incident — Here, a shipload of German Jewish refugees was turned away from Cuba and not permitted to dock in the United States. Rosen explains the behind-the-scenes attempts the Roosevelt administration made to convince Cuba to permit these Jews to enter; why making an exception in U.S. immigration policy was impossible; and how FDR’s camp arranged for the ship’s passengers (the majority of whom survived the war) to be taken in by other European countries and avoid being returned to Germany”

Please note the part about arranging new home countries.

As for FDR’s neutrality…yeah right…ever heard of Lend Lease

The rest is just a view from the selfish confines of Tiberiusville…where every human family exists in a vacuum contributing nothing to society other than the occasional stone cast from glass houses.

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Tibby the U.S. at the time was just as anti-semitic as the rest of the world. Henry Ford supported the NAZI’s and Charles Lindbergh was an avowed racist, like yourself. Put things in historical context.

“Th St. Louis sailed from Hamburg in May 1939, carrying one non-Jewish and 936 (mainly German) Jewish refugees seeking asylum from Nazi persecution.

On the ship’s arrival in Cuba, the Cuban government under Federico Laredo Brú refused the passengers both entry as tourists or political asylum. This prompted a near-mutiny. Two passengers attempted suicide and dozens more threatened to do the same. However, 29 of the refugees did manage to disembark at Havana.

On June 4, 1939, the St. Louis was also refused permission to land her passengers under orders from President Roosevelt as the ship waited between Florida and Cuba.

The St. Louis then tried to enter Canada but was denied permission as well.

The ship returned to Europe, first stopping in the United Kingdom, where 288 of the passengers disembarked. The remaining 619 passengers disembarked at Antwerp; 224 were accepted by France, 214 by Belgium, and 181 into the Netherlands.

Looks like nobody on this side of the pond wanted them.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_St._Loui…

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JDW,

How can you prefer the opinion of 10 distinguished historians over the infinite wisdom of Tiberius? It would be like preferring the conclusion of 97% of world climatologists over the expertise of Aesop (the one on this blog)! A travesty!

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“I didn’t get my schooling in Cumming, er, Forsyth County High. Sorry.”

Neither did I, Real Athens.

And yes, you ARE sorry.

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The difference between you and me, JDW, (besides your complete inability to think), is that I do not accept people’s “opinions” as fact.

And I do not blindly follow anyone’s philosophy, social or economic.

I leave that to you libs.

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Double snirt…

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“I do not accept people’s “opinions” as fact. And I do not blindly follow anyone’s philosophy, social or economic.”

But we’re supposed to blindly follow your uniformed, misguided, continually repudiated “facts”? I guess you formed your bigoted philosophy on your own. Most are taught.

Conspiracy theorist.

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Out comes what? Read here:

Tiberius – pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
February 2nd, 2013
10:29 am

According to the Urban Dictionary, there are two definitions of race pimp. Which one am I? Which one are you?

Give it a rest, angry old man.

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RA – Being that you are a member of the people’s republic and have never been exposed to any reasoned debate, allow me to explain how this works. You object to my comments and put up a reason for this, however lame it was. So I come back with text from a study that details findings that the entire UN report is based on false logic. This is quite good reason to skip over the parts of the report that describe how the UN would like to impose taxes and brutalize poor people and nations. I don’t blame them.

Now here is where fairness, a solely Conservative trait, enters your side of the argument. Instead of squealing like a stuck pig, how about we allow you to produce something from your beloved UN report that proves Cato wrong?

Good luck.

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This data comes from a new survey out this week in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. About 85 percent of funding (for the National Academy of Sciences) comes from the federal government through contracts and grants from agencies and 15 percent from state governments, private foundations, industrial organizations, and funds provided by the Academies member organizations.

The same government that would love to brutalize domestic energy production. Real objective thinking there indigo.

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Aesop, I Report, whomever: It’s in the lede, right after the Arlo Guthrie quote:

“The 2013 report, as it now stands, tips the scales at over 1,000 pages, consequently, we haven’t made our way through it yet …” However it didn’t stop them from defining it and you re-printing it.

Uniformed, non-researched opinion. Needn’t go any further than there?

However, if you follow our thread, my mentioning the CATO Institute was in regard to the Glenn Beck climate conspiracy nonsense you posted initially here today. You can’t even keep up with your own hogwash.

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“The same government that would love to brutalize domestic energy production. Real objective thinking there indigo.”

“A new report by the International Energy Association says the U.S. will become the world’s largest oil producer by 2017, overtaking current leaders Saudi Arabia and Russia. U.S. energy policies initiated by the George W. Bush administration and implemented by President Barack Obama have moved the U.S. toward energy independence and away from Middle East energy sources. U.S. oil production has risen rapidly since 2008 and oil imports are at their lowest level in two decades.”

http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/u-pass-saudi-arabia-energy-production-iea-says-170907660.html

Objective thinking? Try it sometime.

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@Tiberius…”The same “historians” who put President Incompetent in the Top 10, JDW?”

Yep that would be them…they rank him number 10 out of 20 since 1900…just what I have said all along…he is average, but way better than that Republican Dufus on the bottom of the list.

As for this gem…”I do not blindly follow anyone’s philosophy, social or economic.” Indeed that is you to a T…completely out of step with the world around you.

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Shell Oil Company has announced it must scrap efforts to drill for oil this summer in the Arctic Ocean off the northern coast of Alaska. The decision comes following a ruling by the EPA’s Environmental Appeals Board to withhold critical air permits.

The Obama administration Thursday reversed a Bush-era decision and blocked a bid to build one of the largest mountaintop removal coal mines in Appalachian history.

Next question.

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For the FDR worshipers:

But as Amity Shlaes explained in her outstanding history of the era — “The Forgotten Man” — it was precisely FDR’s “bold, persistent experimentation” that was largely to blame for the length, depth and severity of the Great Depression.
Convinced that the government had to do something, FDR tinkered and experimented, she said, figuring that if he didn’t “get it right the first time … maybe he’d get it right the second time.” But the very arbitrariness of FDR’s actions, she found, made it impossible for businesses to make plans. And so, as FDR’s bold experiments increased, business activity decreased and markets froze.
“From the point of view of a business,” Shlaes said in a 2009 interview, “it is annihilating to hear Washington uncertain, and that itself retards recovery because you really don’t know what to expect.”
If Obama wants to conduct experiments, he should get a job as a high school science teacher, and not use the entire nation as guinea pigs, particularly when we already know how his tests will turn out.

Read More At IBD: http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/090712-625080-terrifying-promise-obama-made-.htm#ixzz2JlLF6ZyF

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Aesop – 12:07 “next question”

What have you got against clean air?

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Rafe:

Ms. Shlaes book has sold many copies and been lauded by many. However, there is a cadre of folks who disagree with it and some of her statistical models:

“Economist Paul Krugman has criticized The Forgotten Man. He has taken issue with its central tenet that New Deal policies exacerbated the Great Depression. Krugman wrote of “a whole intellectual industry, mainly operating out of right-wing think tanks, devoted to propagating the idea that FDR actually made the Depression worse…. But the definitive study of fiscal policy in the 1930s, by the MIT economist E. Cary Brown, reached a very different conclusion: Fiscal stimulus was unsuccessful ‘not because it does not work, but because it was not tried’.” Krugman specifically accused Shlaes of disseminating “misleading statistics.”

Shlaes responded to Krugman in the Wall Street Journal, specifically saying that for her estimates of employment and unemployment during the period she used the Lebergott/Bureau of Labor Statistics series. She wrote that statistician Stanley Lebergott “intentionally did not include temporary jobs in emergency programs — because to count a short-term, make-work project as a real job was to mask the anxiety of one who really didn’t have regular work with long-term prospects.”

Journalist Jonathan Chait has called the book self-contradictory, misleading, and inaccurate. Novelist and essayist John Updike criticized the book as “a revisionist history of the Depression.”

The International Herald Tribune review by David Leonhardt comments: “With 75 years of hindsight, surely we can all agree that Roosevelt’s vision was imperfect. Yes, he helped build many pillars of the modern economy — Social Security, the Securities and Exchange Commission, the modern Federal Reserve and more. He also understood the folly of Hoover’s protectionism and pursued a more open trade policy. And his public works slowly, if unevenly, provided employment. (As the historian Eric Rauchway has noted in Slate, Shlaes exaggerates joblessness in the 1930s by counting many people who worked in relief programs as unemployed.) But other attempts to fine-tune the economy truly did fail. From today’s vantage point, the worst of them may have been farm subsidies, which essentially live on, giving a handout to agribusiness while raising the cost of food for everyone else and hurting poor farmers around the world.”

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The libs answer my question for me.

Thanks.

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“She wrote that statistician Stanley Lebergott “intentionally did not include temporary jobs in emergency programs — because to count a short-term, make-work project as a real job was to mask the anxiety of one who really didn’t have regular work with long-term prospects.”

Amazing how government repeats it’s failures over and over again. How many full-time, permanent jobs were actually CREATED by the Stimulus, libs?

Oh, yeah. You can’t find that number, because it has morphed into created, saved and part-time jobs.

That were never permanent.

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Off to help a buddy out. Looking forward to any shred of proof from Real Athens, or an admission of error from Indigo on what I am and believe.

I’m confident I won’t have to wait by the keyboard for either.

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Real Athens

February 2nd, 2013
12:22 pm

“Last week we discussed the implication of federal, state and local taxes on the price of a gallon of gasoline. This week we are going to cover how constrictions, or potential constrictions, in refining capacity will affect gasoline prices. A prime example of how supply and demand drive prices is taking place in the northeast United States. The media continues to drive the point home that we have an excess of crude oil and therefore the price of gas should be much lower. We agree that there is an ample supply of WTI crude to meet demands for that product. The increase in price for crude is driven by global demand and pricing and cannot easily be changed.

Gasoline is a bit of a different beast in that it is best refined close to its end customers or as an alternative can be shipped by tankers. Therefore refining capacity and location are key components to the supply side of the pricing equation. Slowly and quietly there has been a constriction of gasoline refining capacity taking place in the northeast United States. In February 2010 Sunoco closed its Eagle Point/Westville, N.J., refinery with total daily refining capacity of 145,000 barrels. September of 2011 brought another closure at the Western Refining Yorktown, Va., facility that processed 66,300 barrels of oil a day. The total capacity removed from the market equaled 211,300 barrels of oil a day. A large portion of this loss was replaced by the PBF Energy Co. LLC’s Delaware City Refinery being brought back on line after being shut down in 2009. This facility replaced 182,000 of the 211,300 barrels lost in the closing of the two refineries.”

http://www.hpj.com/archives/2012/mar12/mar12/0306AgvisorsMRsr.cfm

Now go and google the effects of the environmentalist movement is building new refinery’s. The real problem is the radical environmentalist (Led by the President) and their hate of fossil fuels.

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“you have to get up every day and work to do best you can and communicate that to the vast majority of fair-minded Americans whether they’re in Congress, in the press or in the public.” Hillary Clinton.

President Obama saved the Dow from the collapse of 6500 to 14,000.

Yes, the wealthy will always be fine so the new majority switched focus to the middle class.

This is a no brainer and our new focus for the new majority.

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Think any of these Socialist Libs have figured out why the man made global warming cause will do very little to actually stop greenhouse gases from being produced and released into the atmosphere?

Okay it’s time for these child geniuses to give us a logical oratory on how the use of “carbon credits” will put the man caused climate change into remission.

Calling all charlatans.

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Good afternoon Comrades. Time to find the hiding boogieman of Socialism.

The Fallacy of Redistribution

By Thomas Sowell

The recently discovered tape on which Barack Obama said back in 1998 that he believes in redistribution is not really news. He said the same thing to Joe the Plumber four years ago. But the surfacing of this tape may serve a useful purpose if it gets people to thinking about what the consequences of redistribution are. [a.k.a. "the boogieman"]

Those who talk glibly about redistribution often act as if people are just inert objects that can be placed here and there, like pieces on a chess board, to carry out some grand design. But if human beings have their own responses to government policies, then we cannot blithely assume that government policies will have the effect intended.

The history of the 20th century is full of examples of countries that set out to redistribute wealth and ended up redistributing poverty. The communist nations were a classic example, but by no means the only example.

In theory, confiscating the wealth of the more successful people ought to make the rest of the society more prosperous. But when the Soviet Union confiscated the wealth of successful farmers, food became scarce. As many people died of starvation under Stalin in the 1930s as died in Hitler’s Holocaust in the 1940s.

How can that be? It is not complicated. You can only confiscate the wealth that exists at a given moment. You cannot confiscate future wealth — and that future wealth is less likely to be produced when people see that it is going to be confiscated. Farmers in the Soviet Union cut back on how much time and effort they invested in growing their crops, when they realized that the government was going to take a big part of the harvest. They slaughtered and ate young farm animals that they would normally keep tending and feeding while raising them to maturity.

http://townhall.com/columnists/thomassowell/2012/09/20/the_fallacy_of_redistribution/page/full/

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Now wait a minute Mr. Liberty, you can’t use real term empirical reality based logic to confound the confused liberals.

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BTW, the costs of gop obstruction is running into the hundreds of billions because the Fed will not stop easing until we return to full employment.

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Yes, a gigantic thank you for some profit taking on some of my AR’s, ammo and gold.

Appreciate it.

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Ben Stein on gun violence in America, good perspective on lack of leadership from Obama.

http://spectator.org/archives/2013/02/01/hes-the-biggest-celebrity-in-t

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Rafe – 2:03

I found your favorite website.

http://www.wnd.com/2011/10/355409/

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JDW: It was the part where Duhbya just sorta kinda forgot to arrange funding that was and remains the problem…
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Medicare part D is just as “funded” as Obozo’s failed stimulus.

Why hasn’t your messiah done anything to fix it? Hell, he made it more expensive than it was under Bush.

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LBB:

Must you use the words “brave” and “Obozo” in the same sentence even sarcastically?

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Ah Marxist MarkV, (Mr. income equality) is in a tizzy AGAIN cause his quest to push social democracy upon us is being shown for what it is. Oh and Mr. income equality can’t stand someone else making a copy and paste to this blog. That is not your exclusive right Mr. income equality!

We conservatives know exactly what you Marxists mean by redistribution and as this article points out the flaw a.k.a. the boogieman a.k.a. “the evil” that more times than not produces less wealth not more, which it causes via confiscation and redistribution in the name of achieving social justice and income equality.

Whine on MarkV, the same GREED you Marxists claim to abhor as the unfair monster of capitalism is the same exact boogieman that shall forever be the fallacy of redistribution – from each according to their ability, to each according to their need. Whether applied in developed or developing countries.

Oh and get use to me posting anything I want within Kyle’s acceptance. This blog is not your property to redistribute, yet comrade.

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Michael H. Smith @ 4:51 pm

Here we go again. MHS with his stupid name-calling, his inane accusations of “pushing social democracy,” his total lack of rational thought (“Mr. income equality can’t stand someone else making a copy and paste to this blog” – can anybody surpass this idiocy?). MHS gets reliably outraged when anybody points out the stupidity of his writing. What he cannot do is to produce an argument that would suggest a functioning brain.

And one last point, MHS: Since it is the communists, Marxists and socialists who call the others “comrade,” you are putting yourself in their ranks.

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Rafe:

“conservative black female”

Now, you know those three words don’t go together, don’t you?

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CC

She got smart! From welfare mom to self sufficient, responsible, contributing member of society. The antithesis of Julia.

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I put stock in this guy and he ended up being not cool

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Rafe:

What I meant was that libs/dims/progs believe if they are conservative, they aren’t black! They haven’t stayed on the plantation and are Aunt Toms! To the libs, to be black is to remain dependent, allow the libs to think for you and redistribute other people’s money to you. They are not allowed to become independent thinkers, achieve and prosper.

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CC

But, I like her, and don’t give a rat’s rear end what anyone else thinks about her observations.

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How very brave of Obozo–he put politics on the line while our SEALS put their lives on the line. Yep, he’s just like the SEALs. Not.

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Lil Barry calling someone a chicken hawk

Oh the irony

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Obama took a big risk ordering our Seals to take out Obama. If Pakistan had known we were comming, it would have been very messy and much American blood would have spilled.

He invaded a sovereign country is what he did.

When Bush did it, he was threatened with impeachment and called a war criminal by the anti-war left.

In the mind of a left-winger, Bush could do no right and Obama can do no wrong.

Weird.

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Surely Obozo should be awarded his Junior SEAL pin. He can put it next to his Nobel–another of his awards for having done nothing.

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@@ -9:56

The raid into Pakistan took about one hour. Only Bin Laden and a few others in his household were killed.

The raid into Iraq kept our troops there for over EIGHT years. Thousands and thousands of people were killed.

By calling Pakistan and Iraq equal, you give a whole new definition to the word “wierd”.

But then, you are a wierdo.

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To most of the comments and the authors of them:
STOP IT, STOP IT !
iS LIFE TREATING YOU SO BAD THAT ALL YOU CAN DO IS WHINE ?

Now, listen up. This is the day that the Lord has made, let us rejoice and

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John Boy do your shouting in church.Snake handling too.

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indigo:

We went into Afghanistan to get Bin Laden….why are we still there?

Jes wundrin’.

schnirt

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bluecoat: Again today most post from one (election lost, hurt crying little brat who did not get his way) poor baby.
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What did indigo ever do to you, bluecoat?

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Steve, how do you like this set of judges on American Idol?

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How many people do you employ, indigo?

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So since you don’t employ any Americans, you must be a “sociopathic predatory capitalist” too, eh?

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Barry “so, since you don’t employ any Americans, you must be a sociopathic predatory capitalist”

Barry, in all honesty, that makes no sense whatsoeve.

Predatory capitalists is American Business that DOES employ as many foreign workers as they can get to come to AMERICA.

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Why do you, who employ zero Americans, think it’s any of your business who American companies hire? It’s business, not charity. If company managers can get workers to do the same job for less, they would be stupid not to, and they would also be negligent in their duty to the owners not to.

I’m curious…where were your shoes manufactured?

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Barry

Why is it any of my business?

Because I am an American citizen and companies who put profit before partiotism are HURTING my country.

I am not helped, and neither are you, by huge numbers of Americans being unemployed.

That “it’s business, not charity” is the fodder for a great deal of social trouble.

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“I am not helped, and neither are you, by huge numbers of Americans being unemployed.”

So it somehow makes sense to decimate the military and put even more in the unemployment line??

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