What Phil Mickelson has in common with low-income Americans
Professional golfer Phil Mickelson has been in the news lately for complaining — and then apologizing about complaining — about the marginal tax rate he faces under new tax laws at both the federal level and in his home state of California. He claimed he now pays more than 60 percent of his income in taxes.
Presumably, he apologized because now is not the most popular point in U.S. history for questioning the wisdom of the government for taxing sharply the income of Americans who earn tens of millions of dollars a year. And as someone who earns a goodly chunk of his millions precisely because of his popularity (think endorsements), Mickelson has to consider such things.
So perhaps readers will be more interested to know that Mickelson has nothing on low-income Americans when it comes to watching his take-home earnings dissipate with each additional dollar. But not only because of tax rates.
Based on data released earlier last fall by the Congressional Budget Office, the Heritage Foundation produced two charts that depict the way federal benefits help to discourage low-income workers from trying to earn more money.
That one’s pretty self-explanatory. If you are a single parent with one child, our social-welfare system practically begs you not to try to increase your earnings between the $5,000 and $20,000 levels — because, if you do, you stand to lose benefits at a rate nearly equal to the additional income. So, while our system does a decent job of keeping people from being abjectly penniless, the price it imposes on them is a daunting climb to improve their position.
Here’s the second chart:
This is truly breathtaking. If you earn between $10,000 and $23,000 a year in this country, the government takes more of each additional dollar you earn than it does from Phil Mickelson.
Here’s what that looks like in practical terms. At the federal minimum wage of $7.25 an hour, $10,000 per year comes out to 26.5 hours per week. To reach $23,000 per year, a single parent with a minimum-wage job would have to work 61 hours per week. Who on earth would work twice as hard, knowing they’d actually be able to spend much less than half of each additional dollar they earned?
At $10 an hour, it’s the difference between working 19.2 hours per week and 44.2 hours per week. Again, it is not rational to expect anyone to make that jump. Even worse, consider a mix of the two scenarios: A single parent could get a raise of $2.75 an hour (that’s a wage increase of about 38 percent) and pick up two more eight-hour shifts per week — and be barely better off than he or she was before the raise and the extra work.
There are scenarios in which this arrangement arguably does help people improve their lives: for instance, a single mother who is able to keep herself and her child afloat long enough to finish college and take a job well above the “low-reward zone.” But there are also plenty of scenarios in which low-income Americans may just resign themselves to their current standard of living because the challenge of rising from $10,000 a year of earnings to more than $25,000 a year is so daunting.
That’s not good for them or for our nation. Our policies should encourage additional work both out of respect for individual dignity and because our fiscal condition requires that we have more people paying into the system rather than drawing money out of it.
Judging by our political debates of late, Democrats’ answer to this dilemma is to pretend the whole problem would be solved if only people like Mickelson paid even more in taxes. As Mickelson’s initial comment about his taxes made clear, not all of these high earners are willing to do that. And in any case, the math doesn’t add up.
Mitt Romney did his presidential campaign, and the GOP more broadly, an enormous disservice by suggesting, in that infamous speech to campaign donors, they simply write off these Americans, at least from a political perspective. Instead, the proper approach is to reform the safety net and the tax code so that they help people when they need it most but do not effectively trap them in their present condition. That, and to encourage other related behaviors — such as waiting until marriage to have children in the first place — that keep people from arriving at such a desperate position in the first place.
It is bad policy to punish people for working harder, no matter how much they earn. Republicans have done a good job of convincing the public that they believe this is true for high earners. Their challenge is to make clear that this very sound principle applies to people at the lower end of the income spectrum, too.
– By Kyle Wingfield
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Bruno
January 23rd, 2013
5:58 pm
The idea of working hard and pulling yourself up by your bootstraps doesn’t extend as far as many conservative/Republicans think. Some people overcome great adversity, we should encourage that, but I’m not gonna slam anyone who doesn’t climb every freakin’ mountain. I don’t sit around and decide if they’re lazy or not based on 5 seconds of observation in the grocery store line where its OMG lookit that welfare mamma and her food stamps!
While you are to be commended for your non-judgmental, generous attitude, I would hope that you don’t think anyone who sticks their hand out deserves assistance.
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
January 23rd, 2013
6:04 pm
The more money you make, the more money you get to keep
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Seeing as how it’s my money to begin with, I’m not exactly feeling grateful about “getting to keep” some lesser part of it. But your post wonderfully reflects the thinking of the liberal fascists–everything belongs to government except that which they let you keep.
Michael H. Smith
January 23rd, 2013
6:05 pm
I love the way Kyle and the rest of you sane folks torture these poor wuddle (pee-gressive – a.k.a. socialist) liberals by bringing to light the EVILS of the “COMPOUND PROGRESSIVE TAX CODE”, where both the dollar amount and the marginal rates on income increase dramatically.
td
January 23rd, 2013
6:06 pm
MarkV
January 23rd, 2013
5:48 pm
“This is a typical condescending, ignorant view of people who make less than you do; many of who work harder than you do, and which you could not live without. The view that progressive taxes are a punishment is again ignorant, and rejected in most developed countries, where people recognize that people who earn more money generally also benefit more from the services that the government provides using the tax revenues.”
Pure socialist talking point.
Worked as janitor in manufacturing factory.
Worked unloading trucks
Worked in grocery store.
Worked on production line building aircraft.
Worked on production line building after market car parts
Umpired adult male softball
All the above was during and after HS graduation and up to 21 years old
Went to college and earned degree.
Worked for DFCS
Started own business
Now run two businesses.
Do not tell me I do have not worked for a living in non skilled labor jobs and do not understand the skill sets needed to work such jobs. I can tell you without any doubt that those jobs get paid what they are worth according to the skill sets needed to do them.
I work harder and longer hours with 1000 times the stress now, and take 100% of the risk and am paid according to the skill sets I have developed. I pay now more money in taxes per year then I made in a year in most of the previous jobs, so I am being punished for making the right choices in life.
Should I pay taxes so that the government can provide basic services for me and my neighbors? Absolutely. Should they be a higher amount? If I make more money then my neighbor then I pay more money then they do. Should I pay a higher % then my neighbor or the postman or the janitor that works for me? Absolutely not. Everyone should pay the same rate and then the more money you make the more actual money you pay.
Bruno
January 23rd, 2013
6:08 pm
Even at the highest bracket, the marginal rate is only 39% – which means for every dollar you make, you still keep over 60 cents. That’s for the wealthiest Americans. Compare that to the example Kyle gave, though, for extremely poor Americans – for every dollar they make, they only keep in some cases 5 cents.
Matt–In case you didn’t read the article or understand the point, poor people only get to “keep” a small portion of the additional income they make within the income brackets set out above because they are being supplied with generous government benefits which are taken away as they earn their own way. Which is a very different scenario from a rich person being taxed at a ridiculous rate. Same effect, but very different causes.
Aesop's Fables and other Lib Economic Theories
January 23rd, 2013
6:16 pm
If it were just roads and other essential services we paid for, that would be one thing, but how did my children get on the hook for obozo’s re election campaign and lady gaga extravaganza?
Michael H. Smith
January 23rd, 2013
6:16 pm
You have to wonder why so few people ever focus on the deductions that make the tax rate irrelevant?
I probably pay more tax than those good ol’ rich democrats Bon Jovi or Bruce Springsteen not because I make more but because they have deductions that make it possible for them to… drum roll please… NOT PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE!
Banderson
January 23rd, 2013
6:17 pm
http://deadspin.com/phil-mickelson/
Phil’s imaginary tax problems
td
January 23rd, 2013
6:19 pm
Matt321
January 23rd, 2013
5:56 pm
I understand about the marginal tax rates. There are 6 rates (really 7 if you count 0% for anyone making less then $30,000 per year). 4 of those rate effect people making less the $178,000 per year going from 10% to 28%. $178,000 to $388,000 33% and over $388,000 is 39.5%. Now if you save any of your money then you pay an additional 15% or 30% in capital gains taxes on money made off your investments.
“This is always true. Even at the highest bracket, the marginal rate is only 39% – which means for every dollar you make, you still keep over 60 cents.”
Not true. The 39% is the Federal taxes you pay. Then if you live in CA you pay an additional 13% and if it is GA it is 6%. Now you are up to paying 52% in CA or 45% in GA. You add in sales taxes, payroll taxes and property taxes well then one is up to about 65% in CA and 55% in GA.
How much is enough?
MarkV
January 23rd, 2013
6:29 pm
td @6:06 pm
“I can tell you without any doubt that those jobs get paid what they are worth according to the skill sets needed to do them.”
And how did you figure that out? You should be a socialist! The part of the true socialist dogma is that a society can actually determine the worth of the labor and pay people accordingly. It is one of the reasons socialist economies have mostly failed.
What you espouse is a common fantasy of the conservatives. They always point out to a few individuals, themselves or others, who achieve things by a combination of circumstances, and who make the incredible conclusion that people growing in poor families of uneducated parents live and work on the same playing field as those in educated, well-to-to families. And that is only one of the many conditions that affect our lives and determine our fate.
md
January 23rd, 2013
6:45 pm
“The part of the true socialist dogma is that a society can actually determine the worth of the labor and pay people accordingly. ”
Consumers dictate wages, and they are fickle as hell……good luck trying to figure them out.
But for the most part they have been on their 40 year quest for cheap cheap goods and the wages have been coming down in response………
I don’t see it getting too much better in a global economy where billions of others are now realizing they can get theirs too and they do it a whole lot cheaper than we do…..
td
January 23rd, 2013
6:47 pm
MarkV
January 23rd, 2013
6:29 pm
Again you do not know what you are talking about. Neither of my parents graduated from HS. We were poor but we never took government handouts. My wife came to this country at the age of 13, could not speak English and had not been to school since 3rd grade. She now has a college degree and a good job and her mom was poor also I know exactly what I am talking about on this subject matter.
Yes, choices you make determine what happens in your life. When one chooses not to get a basic education, have children out of wedlock and abuse booze and drugs then they are going to be poor and remain poor.
If you look back through history then you will find that it is the children of well educated upper middle class parents that did not have to work growing up have become the leaders of the socialist/communist movement. This is because these people have no concept of what work is about and what it takes to run a business. Is this your background?
yuzeyurbrane
January 23rd, 2013
6:53 pm
1. Either Mickelson is lieing or he needs to get a new accountant. The average tax rate for people of his income is much lower.
2. The rest of your article is just bs. What happened to all the takers who paid no income tax at all? Are you now including their FICA, sales, ad valorem, etc., etc. taxes? If so, I am happy you are belatedly conceding that these folks aren’t parasites at all. But why didn’t you speak up when Mitt was running? What do you expect these folks to do when many of the new jobs out there are minimum wage, part-time, no benefits, etc.? On top of that you are for crushing unions! So, let’s cut out the smug hypocrisy. Oh, yeah, how convenient to say it is welfare that makes them work minimum wage. What nonsense.
MarkV
January 23rd, 2013
6:56 pm
td @ 6:47 pm
“Again you do not know what you are talking about. Neither of my parents graduated from HS. We were poor …”
Again, I repeat: “They always point out to a few individuals, themselves or others, who achieve things by a combination of circumstances, …” And indulge in the fantasy that everybody could do the same…
td
January 23rd, 2013
6:56 pm
yuzeyurbrane
January 23rd, 2013
6:53 pm
How old are these part time, min wage workers? If they are over 25 then what choices did they make to keep them in this situation for so long and what is their work ethic?
td
January 23rd, 2013
7:01 pm
MarkV
January 23rd, 2013
6:56 pm
td @ 6:47 pm
“Again you do not know what you are talking about. Neither of my parents graduated from HS. We were poor …”
Again, I repeat: “They always point out to a few individuals, themselves or others, who achieve things by a combination of circumstances, …” And indulge in the fantasy that everybody could do the same…
And why can’t most do the same? I can see a few but we are now up to 20 to 25% of the population that can not do it. Is that really acceptable in your world?
Rafe Hollister preparing for an Obamanist America
January 23rd, 2013
7:03 pm
td,
thanks for all the hard work that generated your success. People like you are what make America great, not the folks who sit around and decide whats fair, how others should live their life, how generous they should be, how much they have benefited from America, and how much they should give back. Conservatives are too busy working and investing to have time to try and referee life.
Thanks for schooling Mark so well. Simple answer for Mark, one he learned in kindergarten, but has obviously forgotten is “Can’t never could”. Successful people find a way. I like you came from two parents, who never had much, but knew how to succeed, work, and they had us all working by the time we were teenagers and never let us quit. The rest came naturally.
td
January 23rd, 2013
7:10 pm
Rafe,
Amen. The one thing my dad taught (by example) me was the importance of working hard and never quitting no matter what. My mom beat it into my head that you must get an education if you want anything out of life besides hard work everyday.
I will love them forever for those two lessons.
md
January 23rd, 2013
7:13 pm
” Are you now including their FICA, sales, ad valorem, etc., etc. taxes? If so, I am happy you are belatedly conceding that these folks aren’t parasites at all.”
Remember way back in math class when we were taught how to “cancel”?
Well…..that is what you have to do when it comes to all those other taxes as EVERYBODY pays those, and that leaves us with income taxes of which 50% of the filers currently pay zero.
Rafe Hollister preparing for an Obamanist America
January 23rd, 2013
7:20 pm
td
The best lesson that my parents taught me and one I have tried to pass on to my hardworking children is that, at the end of the day it is not how much you made, but how much you saved.
Michael H. Smith
January 23rd, 2013
7:21 pm
Oh wow, government is so kind to keep 40% and GIVE you 60%.
Hey td, if God can get by on a flat 10%, I think our Federal Gub’Ment should be able to get by on a flat two tier 10% and 25% marginal rate with all deductions eliminated.
MarkV
January 23rd, 2013
7:26 pm
I find this self-delusion, exemplified by td and others, appalling and disgusting. We all start our lives with different genes, with different parents, in different environments, and life offers us different circumstances. This self-righteous fantasy that because some people start poor but achieve success in life (in the economic sense) everybody can do the same just by making “the right choices” is more than ignorant – it shows a lack of human feelings.
JamVet
January 23rd, 2013
7:36 pm
MHS, you Uncle Sam hating moochers got to pay to play in the USA.
(And I have the name of a great CPA if you really are dense enough to be paying 40%…)
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
January 23rd, 2013
7:44 pm
yuzey: Either Mickelson is lieing or he needs to get a new accountant. The average tax rate for people of his income is much lower.
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Or it could be that you don’t know what you’re talking about. What if his income comes mostly from tournaments and endorsements, taxed as wages, rather than from capital gains?
Think before posting, and next time maybe you won’t appear so ignorant.
td
January 23rd, 2013
7:44 pm
MarkV
January 23rd, 2013
7:26 pm
No my friend, we have a term in society for what you are talking about with gene pool, environment and other excuses you are making for the poor and it is called ENABLING.
You and you progressive partners are enabling the poor to become poor and remain poor by not setting and expecting certain standards of behavior and achievement. What is disgusting is that the riches, best educated and most free nation in the world has to provide substance to 25% of our fellow citizens. What is disgusting is that WE do not hold people accountable for their actions and allow them to maintain dependency on the us.
I have faith that everyone is capable of working and providing for themselves. It just makes me sick to my stomach that we allow people to lose all hope and the American work ethic and turn to dependency.
MarkV
January 23rd, 2013
7:49 pm
td @ 7:44 pm
Typically, when you have no answer to the argument, you revert to a political attack.
td
January 23rd, 2013
7:54 pm
MarkV
January 23rd, 2013
7:49 pm
td @ 7:44 pm
Typically, when you have no answer to the argument, you revert to a political attack.
There is nothing political in my comments. There is no politics involved on the ability to enable a drunk to keep drinking. There is no politics involved in a segment of our population to enable the poor to remain dependent.
Are you trying to tell me that the left does not believe in the American work ethic? Are you trying to tell me that the left wants people to remain dependent on the government for subsistence?
Michael Bean- Apache Junction, AZ
January 23rd, 2013
7:55 pm
Phil Mickelson- San Diego born, raised and currently lives.
I have always respected Phil for is play on the golf course and his community service at both the local and national level.
He has raised that respect to a new level!!
Someone (Phil) has finally come out and taken on the communist State of California. Last weekend in Palm Springs, he stated that because of new state taxes (which he has to pay 1.8 million more a year with 2 million in retro taxes this year) and add to that new federal taxes (almost 63% a year total) something has got to change. (i.e. moving to Texas or Florida that have no state tax)
The left Dems came out and said basically ” shut up and give us your money”.
Phil- stand your ground. I am behind you 100%. This is a land of freedom to say, do or move whatever. whenever or wherever you want.
Your statement in no way offended me but supported me.
My wife and I lived and raised our kids in California and enjoyed our experience but it came to a point last year watching the direction California is heading- we picked up and moved out.
Stick to your guns Phil. And in this day and age that’s your golf clubs- do what’s right and best for you and your family. Big government will not do it.
Good luck for this years season and hope to see you in Scottsdale in a few weeks.
md
January 23rd, 2013
8:03 pm
And now Mark throws down the emotion card……
The fact remains Mark that we do in fact choose everything we do and are where we are because of ourselves……..
It’s just that some choose to do more excuse making and less action……
MarkV
January 23rd, 2013
8:05 pm
td @ 7:54 pm
What I am telling you is that you failed to respond to what I wrote @7:26 pm in response to our post, and instead went into a nonsensical tirade about how I and my “progressive partners are enabling the poor to become poor and remain poor …” That is politics.
td
January 23rd, 2013
8:11 pm
MarkV
January 23rd, 2013
8:05 pm
td @ 7:54 pm
What I am telling you is that you failed to respond to what I wrote @7:26 pm in response to our post, and instead went into a nonsensical tirade about how I and my “progressive partners are enabling the poor to become poor and remain poor …” That is politics.
Are there or are there not progressives in both parties? We call them RINO’s in the Republican party. A progressive is someone that thinks they are enlightened by intelligence and since they are enlightened then they know better then anyone else. They feel that no person is bad or lazy and that if they are in a bad circumstance then it is due to some other cause instead of the persons choices.
Progressives also think that it is the governments obligation to make sure people no matter their choice to not have to be held accountable for their actions.
Hillbilly D
January 23rd, 2013
8:24 pm
we do in fact choose everything we do
Not many of us choose when and how we die. We choose most things but not everything.
MarkV
January 23rd, 2013
8:26 pm
td @ 8:11 pm
td,
It is useless to discuss something with somebody who does not even understand, or refuses to understand, what the point of the argument is, and just wants to tout his political horn.
I’m off.
md
January 23rd, 2013
8:27 pm
“Do” HD…..do.
And some in fact do choose when and how they die.
And we also choose how we respond to things done to us……
Hillbilly D
January 23rd, 2013
8:29 pm
md
We do die. It’s something we do. And granted a few do choose the time and place but very few.
td
January 23rd, 2013
8:34 pm
MarkV
January 23rd, 2013
8:26 pm
In other words you have lost this battle and you know it. You know that it is unacceptable for 25% of our population to be receiving their subsistence from the government. You know we can not continue as a nation to enable people to make bad choices and then not be held accountable for their decisions. You really need to reevaluate your philosophy on this subject and use your intellect to help solve the problem instead of using it to make excuses for inexcusable behavior.
md
January 23rd, 2013
8:40 pm
But dieing isn’t a choice, and it is pretty much done to us and out of our control. We control everything else we do…..
But I see your point.
atlmom
January 23rd, 2013
8:47 pm
The dignity is in earning money from working – no matter what that is, if it’s flipping burgers, so be it. For people who think it’s ‘below them’ – the problem is YOU not someone else.
The issue is that Mr. Mickelson is saying: well, you know, if you’re just going to take all my money because you think you should, I might as well not make it anymore. I might as well just not bother. And that’s a problem. Sure, in golf, there might be someone else who would ‘win’ the money he does – but in business, is there someone else who would be hiring others and building a business? what happens when the wealthy decide that it’s just not worth it anymore to bother?
saywhat?
January 23rd, 2013
8:51 pm
The way to solve poverty is to give poor people $150,000 jobs in state government. Its keeping Chip Rogers out of poverty.
saywhat?
January 23rd, 2013
8:54 pm
atlmom-”what happens when the wealthy decide that it’s just not worth it anymore to bother?”
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Then the hole in the economy caused by their decision to leave it will be filled by somebody else. People do it all the time. Its called retirement.
Hillbilly D
January 23rd, 2013
8:58 pm
The issue is that Mr. Mickelson is saying: well, you know, if you’re just going to take all my money because you think you should, I might as well not make it anymore.
I don’t really know a thing about Mickelson or golf, used to play a little but it was too frustrating for me. In my younger days, I did spend a good bit of time around professional athletes, though, and the one thing they all had in common was that they are competitive beyond most peoples’ wildest imagination. They work so hard to get where they are, and even harder to stay there, and most all the ones I’ve ever been exposed to have to be forced to quit. It’s few that get to leave on their own terms. I’d be surprised if Mickelson isn’t the same way. No doubt they love the money but it’s not really the prime motivation for most of them. They really do love what they do, to the point of it being a near-addiction, in most cases.
CommonSense
January 23rd, 2013
9:02 pm
The reality is that MILLIONS of people in this country earn more income than they are reporting now and they are truly undertaxed instead of overtaxed and a major reason why we have a shortfall of tax revenues. Little will be done about this because it does not typically involve higher wage earners which have been cast as the scorn of society. This situation penalizes ALL citizens who’s income is fully reportable and pay the appropriate tax. The simple solution is a sales tax system…aka fair tax.
Such a system would benefit EVERYONE in the longterm and maintain a progressive tax system because those who spend more would pay more. It would eliminate waste and most of the IRS workers could be reassigned to colletion of sales taxes instead of wasting millions of hours and billionis of dollars in our current tax system which FEW people understand. In reality, the graphs in this article are not accurately reflective of what is taking place in our current system.
md
January 23rd, 2013
9:11 pm
The deal with Mickelson has more to do with State taxes than anything else. He can’t do anything about the dems voting for him to pay more federal taxes unless he leaves the country, but he can do something about the State taxes. He is a CA boy, born and raised out there, but he also knows half the golfing community moved to FL for a reason.
Saving 13% of every million just by buying another house in another State must be very appealing. I think it is a family issue for him.
Hillbilly D
January 23rd, 2013
9:15 pm
If it hasn’t changed, a lot of people move to Florida because you can declare bankruptcy and not lose your primary residence, no matter how much the house cost or is worth. Former baseball commissioner Bowie Kuhn did that, among others. That was quite a few years back so they may have changed the law, not really sure.
@@
January 23rd, 2013
9:18 pm
I’ve heard tell that some economists estimate unreported income for those receiving welfare is around $1 trillion annually.
My husband and several of his friends are landlords at a duplex village? Anyhoo, one of the tenants (welfare recipient) was evicted for selling cigarettes out of his unit. .50 cents a cigarette. The people buying them were on welfare.
Say wha-a-a-a-a?
Off-topic kinda.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsUTm3z74ls
Wrong on so many levels.
Hillbilly D
January 23rd, 2013
9:27 pm
I don’t know much about cigarettes (hate the damn things with a passion) but I was at the store today and saw a certain brand was $4.10 a pack. If a person smokes 2 packs a day (a lot of folks used to, I’ve pretty much managed to weed most of the smokers out of the folks I hang with, so maybe it’s changed) that’s $57.40 a week, or $2984.80 a year (plus tax). Seems like an awful lot of money going up in smoke to me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWXbVsMkz1U
Aesop's Fables and other Lib Economic Theories
January 23rd, 2013
9:47 pm
HD – When I quit smoking, a carton of cigarettes could be had for about $16. I quit because they used to cost about $12. If I’m remembering right, it was a democrat controlled State of Georgia tax hike that got me to give it up. To pay for health care, I believe. I wasn’t that addicted, even though I was smoking 2 and a half packs a day.
In other words, their scheme of raising taxes worked the exact opposite with me, not only denying them the tax increase but also reducing sales, eliminating jobs and reducing the profits of a company based in the United States, employing American workers.
I don’t even miss the coffin nails and what a blow we could strike on the liberals intentions if everyone else would gather just a little bit of courage.
Banderson
January 23rd, 2013
10:05 pm
td – You can’t just add tax rates for state, federal and so forth and come up with the percentage paid. For example, your state tax paid is deductible from your income for calculating federal tax. Look at the Deadspin article. Mickleson might be paying approx. 50%, which he could resent, but he’s still bringing home $24 million/year. Good for him. If he can find a better country or state for less money, he should move. He could easily move to Florida and not pay state income tax. It’s his choice.
td
January 23rd, 2013
10:09 pm
Banderson
January 23rd, 2013
10:05 pm
Wonder if that is why states that are controlled by the left did not grow as fast or actually lost population in the past 10 years?
bluecoat
January 23rd, 2013
10:13 pm
Having so many jobs before age 21,means you were not very good at any of them.Most work at fewer places in a life time.Running your mouth when you should be working cost you lots of jobs.Been this way all your life.If you have two business now who runs them?As great as you think you are you can’t be in two places at same time.