About the hold-up in the Sandy relief bill/pork-fest

Liberals’ new favorite Republican is Chris Christie, the New Jersey governor who this week slammed House Republicans for delaying action on a bill with aid for those affected by Hurricane Sandy. (They’ll be back to hating him the next time he goes on an anti-union rant or some such.) As I’ve said before, the real problem lies with those who lard up such bills with extra spending because they know those pet projects have a better chance of passing when attached to such an urgent measure.

Apparently that can be clear even to a politician in the storm-ravaged area, as long as that politician is not a moderate Republican running for re-election in a blue state. From Politicker.com:

Mayor Michael Bloomberg, who previously declined to slam House Speaker John Boehner over Congress’ stalled Hurricane Sandy aid, took his argument to the next level this morning and suggested federal lawmakers are partially to blame for the delay in the vote on the package because they insert “things that are totally extraneous” into bills such as this. Although Mr. Bloomberg didn’t specify the extraneous problem items, the legislation has been criticized by Republicans like Rep. Paul Ryan for being “packed with funding for unrelated items, such as commercial fisheries in American Samoa and roof repair of museums in Washington, D.C.”

“There’s this ‘Christmas Tree effect’ where legislators put in their favorite bills and tack them onto something. The [Obama] administration does that, that’s why you have an omnibus bill — to force everybody to vote for things that would never stand up in the light of day if they were individual,” Mr. Bloomberg said on his weekly radio show with John Gambling. “I’m sympathetic. Yelling and screaming at [Mr. Boehner] is just not my style. It may be effective, it may not be. Everybody’s got to make their own decisions. I think the legislative leaders who criticize and those in the Legislature should stop and think, they do exactly the same thing in terms of ladling on things that are totally extraneous but it’s the only way they get them through.”

Exactly. Those who help wreck the legislative process shouldn’t complain when they find the legislative process is a wreck.

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Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

January 4th, 2013
11:02 am

Last I checked, Bloomberg and Christie haven’t been members of Congress.

BW

January 4th, 2013
11:14 am

If Boehner controls the House, why these things are not immediately stripped in committee is beyond me. Methinks you’re giving Boehner a pass for what he can actually control.

JDW

January 4th, 2013
11:19 am

Hey Kyle…you might have missed this part of the story….

From Forbes…

“However, as it turns out, the pork portions of the Senate bill were not earmarked to benefit Democratic members of the upper chamber of Congress. And you may be quite surprised to discover where that money is actually headed once the rich Senate legislation is passed by the House.”

Further on…

“A review of the mark-up of the Senate bill reveals that all that extra, non-Sandy related cash is actually set to provide billions for “storm events that occurred in 2012 along the Gulf Coast and Atlantic Coast within the boundaries of the North Atlantic and Mississippi Valley divisions of the Corps that were affected by Hurricanes Sandy and Isaac.””

Guess which party those Senators belong to…

“The answer can be found in a quick review of the states that are set to benefit from the Senate’s extra-special benevolence—states including Alabama, Mississippi, Texas and Louisiana.”

I wonder….

Jefferson Sessions – (R – AL)
Richard Shelby – (R – AL)
Cochran, Thad – (R – MS)
Wicker, Roger F. – (R – MS)
Cornyn, John – (R – TX)
Hutchison, Kay Bailey – (R – TX)
Landrieu, Mary L. – (D – LA)
Vitter, David – (R – LA)

There are the culprits…where is the outrage?

http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2013/01/03/pork-holding-up-senate-sandy-relief-bill-funneled-into-the-troughs-of-gop-deficit-hawks-you-betcha/

Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!

January 4th, 2013
11:21 am

It’s a shame those blue-staters are so pathetic that they can’t handle a one-day delay in their federal pork being ladled out.

Drudge

January 4th, 2013
11:22 am

Well said Kyle – liberal misdirection at its finest. I harken back to a Simpsons episode in which they tacked an air traffic control rider to a Flags for Orphans bill that nobody could vote against…

Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!

January 4th, 2013
11:23 am

JDW, if I recall correctly, weren’t you just yesterday whining about all the spending being storm related, and therefore must be passed immediately?

Hypocrite.

Road Scholar

January 4th, 2013
11:24 am

Has anyone actually examined the need for the “tacked on spending”?

Roof repairs to the Smithsonian seems pretty direct to me.Isn’t Wayne Clough still the head of the Smithsonian? He was an excellent administrator when he was President of GT; what makes you think he has changed? If the roof leaks, fix it before it causes extra damage…rot, mold, mildew, etc.

Fisheries? Private sector shoul address this.

See Kyle, all “liberals” can be fiscal conservatives also. Why don’t you just stop lumping people with different views into your handy throwaway titles? So, are all conservatives facists? Members of the clan? Why don’t you just report the facts?

Aesop's Fables and other Lib Economic Theories

January 4th, 2013
11:24 am

Pork is pork. Regardless of who attached it. The legislation was not included in obozo tax hostage taking because they had already decided to address it first thing in 2013.

To strip the pork out of it.

Drudge

January 4th, 2013
11:27 am

JDW – now show us the complete list of beneficiaries of this pork, not just the Republicans you selected from red states…

Road Scholar

January 4th, 2013
11:27 am

JDW: Interesting old Little Barry BS didn’t comment on who the “pork” supports! BBQ anyone?

Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed

January 4th, 2013
11:27 am

I’m still wondering why Federal relief is needed at all after a storm. Isn’t that why people buy insurance to begin with?

Jefferson

January 4th, 2013
11:28 am

You didn’t vote against any of your congressmen now did you Kyle ? If so, why would you expect anything to change?

As long as people are hung up on political unions (parties) nothing will change. Punish those who don’t perform, no matter what.

Drudge

January 4th, 2013
11:28 am

JDW – also, don’t post oped links to bolster your factual claims, especially ones taglined “Writing from the left on politics and policy.”

Road Scholar

January 4th, 2013
11:29 am

Tib: Does a state buy insurance for its infrastructure? How much does it cost?

Edward

January 4th, 2013
11:31 am

Why no mention that the pork in question was added by REPUBLICANS? If it had been Democrats doing it, the mouth-foaming and chest-beating would be rampant, with screams of SOCIALISM! and COMMUNISM!
The GOP has become a political suicide bomber, and should be treated as such. Literally.

Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed

January 4th, 2013
11:31 am

“Does a state buy insurance for its infrastructure?”

What infrastructure, Road?

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

January 4th, 2013
11:32 am

JDW – also, don’t post

Rules coming from someone who has such a limited imagination that they can’t come up with a remotely original moniker?

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

January 4th, 2013
11:34 am

What infrastructure, Road?

umm, lessee. bridges, roads, utilities, those kind of things? Sign posts are a necessary evil?

Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed

January 4th, 2013
11:36 am

Finn, utilities are not state own in most cases. Roads were not affected much except from being covered with sand. Bridges? If they built them without Federal dollars, they should be replaced without Federal dollars.

This is just more of the gimme gimme gimme generation that years of government education has created.

JDW

January 4th, 2013
11:37 am

@LBB…”JDW, if I recall correctly, weren’t you just yesterday whining about all the spending being storm related, and therefore must be passed immediately?”

You are correct…I was refering to the bill prior to the Republican markup.

JDW

January 4th, 2013
11:39 am

@Drudge…”JDW – also, don’t post oped links to bolster your factual claims, especially ones taglined “Writing from the left on politics and policy.””

Facts are facts…especially those that post the full marked up bill copy..however given your handle I can surmise that facts aren’t very important to you.

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

January 4th, 2013
11:39 am

Tibs house gets damaged by a hurricane or tornado guess who will be the firstest for the mostest on the phone to FEMA.

Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed

January 4th, 2013
11:44 am

Nice try at deflection, Finn (given how wrong you were and how you were exposed), but I have plenty of insurance to cover any natural disaster with one of the most responsive insurance companies on the planet.

And given that I have never taken a tax dollar in my life that I didn’t work for, I’m not about to call an inefficient government agency for my first.

Streetracer

January 4th, 2013
11:51 am

Some humorist several decades ago (Sam Levenson, maybe – I’m not sure) said one of the things is father taught him was “If you need a helping hand, you’ll find one on the end of your arm”. The problem now is that too many helping hands have sun burnt palms.

Aquagirl

January 4th, 2013
11:52 am

Roads were not affected much except from being covered with sand. Bridges? If they built them without Federal dollars, they should be replaced without Federal dollars.

Our self-appointed storm damage expert wants to send a few brooms and call it a day.

Kyle Wingfield

January 4th, 2013
11:52 am

Jefferson @ 11:28: Actually, I did vote against my congressman. It might help your argument if you had any idea who my congressman is.

Daddio

January 4th, 2013
11:55 am

Please do not be blinded by this Red vs. Blue football game. They are all the same. BOTH parties want to re-distribute our money as evidenced by the bi-partisan distribution of this stinking pork. So yeah it’s good to be mad about the way the DC system works and we need responsible leadership that should just pass the needed relief funding and nothing else but to sit on one side or the other waving your pom poms by blaming the other team for this isn’t even pork. Just baloney.

If you want it to change then YOU have to vote YOUR rep out regardless of party when they support this kind of outrage. 90% of these fools get re-elected in a Congress that has a 12% approval rating. As they keep saying… do the math! Now who do WE blame again?

Kyle Wingfield

January 4th, 2013
11:56 am

I find it hilarious that so many people are slamming me as a partisan for not criticizing … the party they happen to abhor. Hilarious, but not unusual.

redneckbluedog

January 4th, 2013
11:56 am

Who, besides a terrorist like Al queda, or some kind of economic masochist, would want to default the U.S. on their credit obligations…!?!?

Likewise, who, beside some kind of self-hating, vengeful, pervert would want to see their fellow Americans suffer, especially through no fault of their own…!?!? Most likely the same kind of person who doesn’t care about all the school shootings in the last couple of years…

I mean, really, it speaks more to these kind of individual’s hearts and minds moreso than it does about their politics…

Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed

January 4th, 2013
11:57 am

Aquagirl, instead of the juvenile remark, how about addressing the issue I brought up?

Why is Federal help needed after a storm?

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

January 4th, 2013
11:57 am

Deflection, Tiberius?

Deflection assumes a force in motion with some substance. But that in no way defines anything you’ve ever written on this blog. So, it’s hardly a deflection on my part.

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

January 4th, 2013
12:00 pm

Rep. Barney Frank, D-Mass., says that he would wants to be appointed to John Kerry’s Senate seat until a special election is held, should Kerry get confirmed as Secretary of State.

Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed

January 4th, 2013
12:01 pm

I accept your surrender, Finn.

Next time, answer the questions instead of posting more nonsense, OK?

Centrist

January 4th, 2013
12:03 pm

Just like the fiscal cliff legislation last week where campaign contributors got billions of dollars in tax breaks for rich racetrack owners, Hollywood producers, and California’s alternative energy industry.

Anywhere else in society, such things would be considered felony bribes – but crony capitalism is legal for government.

Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed

January 4th, 2013
12:03 pm

The last person we need back in government is one of the architects of it’s failure.

Daddio

January 4th, 2013
12:09 pm

Kyle I am not critizing you if you stick to the simple principal of liberal vs. conservative with regard to money and are willing to admit that in that regard there are almost as many “liberals” in the Republican party as there are in the Democratic. Otherwise you are just a another shill with a red pompom. They want our money too, just for different things. This doesn’t absolve Democrats by any means mind you but you must see that they are really the same if you truly believe in fiscal conservatism. Here is a telling test for you. Should we cut the defense budget along with the other “entitlements”?

Aesop's Fables and other Lib Economic Theories

January 4th, 2013
12:09 pm

‘The worst day of my presidency’: Barack Obama receives the horrific news about the shootings at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn.

Gosh, I wonder why obozo wants to share this information with us now? Are we reliving the highlights and lowlights of our presidency and just forgot to share all the others? Has this tragedy tore him so much that he had to put his billion dollar Hawaiian Fun-In-The-Sun vacation on hold?

Or is he just a craven user of dead children for the long sought after goal of any other America hating socialist?

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

January 4th, 2013
12:10 pm

Elections have consequences. When an individual or group of people provide you with the cash necessary to get elected, it shouldn’t be strange that that they expect a few things in return.

Before we hate on the players, maybe we need to address the game. As long as campaigns are so dependent on donations by individuals – and now corporations both foreign and domestic – nothing will change.

Daddio

January 4th, 2013
12:14 pm

Finn,

Amen brother. It absolutely starts with campaign finance. Could not agree more!

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

January 4th, 2013
12:14 pm

And now the Cons plan to hold the nation/citizens/markets hostage over the debt ceiling. The debt ceiling merely authorizes us to borrow to pay for the expenditures Congress voted for.

Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed

January 4th, 2013
12:15 pm

And just who do you think provides the money when government pays the bills, Finny? ‘Cause that’s where we know you are heading with that 12:10 comment.

And if you’re beholden to the people who paid your way into office now, wouldn’t you be beholden to the government that paid your way into office if you went to public financing (not that YOU’D see that as a bad thing)?

Try to think things through sometime, will ya?

Aquagirl

January 4th, 2013
12:17 pm

Aquagirl, instead of the juvenile remark, how about addressing the issue I brought up?

The “issue” you brought up is one you pulled from pure ignorance. Saying roads should be good to go after we sweep a little sand off of them is incredibly naive. If you don’t have any idea what kind of damage a major storm can do, why do you think you’re even qualified to ask that question? Because you gots some google?

This “I know just how to solve _____” is a major affliction of our times.

In any case, I don’t oppose federal disaster relief because a major disaster can overwhelm the tax base of an area. Even if resources (like power lines) were originally built with local money, they were installed over a long time. Asking the people there to live without power for 10 years seems a little hard-hearted, even for you. If you rebuild using special taxes imposed in the area, people will simply abandon it. While the idea of wiping major NE cities off the map might thrill you, it would have negative affects on our national economy.

The idea that what happens in New York doesn’t affect people in Georgia was abandoned by the Founding Fathers in 1787. They understood the economy in one State affected the others. It’s not some outlandish new liberal idea.

Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed

January 4th, 2013
12:18 pm

Finn doesn’t understand the concept of leverage in negotiating.

Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!

January 4th, 2013
12:24 pm

JDW, nice try, but the bill already had the Gulf Coast spending in it when you were whining about getting it passed RIGHT NOW!!!

Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed

January 4th, 2013
12:24 pm

“Saying roads should be good to go after we sweep a little sand off of them is incredibly naive.”

Of course, YOU were the one to say that, Aquagirl, not me. But nice try.

“Asking the people there to live without power for 10 years seems a little hard-hearted, even for you.”

And I never said that either, Aquairl, but keep fantasizing.

“If you rebuild using special taxes imposed in the area, people will simply abandon it.”

Cite, please?

“While the idea of wiping major NE cities off the map might thrill you, it would have negative affects on our national economy.”

More fiction on your part, Aquagirl. It is obvious that you do not wish to partake in intelligent discussion, but rather wish to generate hyperbolic statements of your OWN making instead of addressing mine.

“The idea that what happens in New York doesn’t affect people in Georgia was abandoned by the Founding Fathers in 1787. They understood the economy in one State affected the others.”

And I’m sure you can cite the specific passage in the U.S. Constitution that authorizes Federal disaster aid. Perhaps when you cannot find it, you might want to provide specific passages in the Federalist Papers which does.

Come back when you’re ready to discuss, OK?

Kyle Wingfield

January 4th, 2013
12:28 pm

Daddio @ 12:09: Anyone who has read my blog regularly knows that I don’t defend wasteful spending, or any other bad idea, just because a Republican did it. And I’ve said before that the defense budget could stand to be trimmed.

Before you issue any further “tests,” I’d appreciate your taking the time to read a bit more of what I’ve written on these topics in the past.

JamVet

January 4th, 2013
12:30 pm

You incompetent neocons are a work of art.

But keep on being the winners you are, just you were this past November, OK?

LOL!

Politico

January 4th, 2013
12:35 pm

Kyle

What are the chances that you would have called out the Democrats by name if the pork had been just their doing?

While you are calling waste out, it is slightly amusing that you didn’t call out the Republicans by name and dollars for their pork in that bill?

As you are fully aware, the information is available.

Politico

January 4th, 2013
12:36 pm

But as Jamvet said, keep doing what you guys are doing.

It is working so well.

Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed

January 4th, 2013
12:38 pm

Neocon reference – check!

Insulting remark about them – check!

Reference to a past election that fits his narrative – check!

You’re still shy a few plug-ins, AmVet, before you can hit your repetitive post target for the day, so keep trying!