About the hold-up in the Sandy relief bill/pork-fest

Last I checked, Bloomberg and Christie haven’t been members of Congress.

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Hey Kyle…you might have missed this part of the story….

From Forbes…

“However, as it turns out, the pork portions of the Senate bill were not earmarked to benefit Democratic members of the upper chamber of Congress. And you may be quite surprised to discover where that money is actually headed once the rich Senate legislation is passed by the House.”

Further on…

“A review of the mark-up of the Senate bill reveals that all that extra, non-Sandy related cash is actually set to provide billions for “storm events that occurred in 2012 along the Gulf Coast and Atlantic Coast within the boundaries of the North Atlantic and Mississippi Valley divisions of the Corps that were affected by Hurricanes Sandy and Isaac.””

Guess which party those Senators belong to…

“The answer can be found in a quick review of the states that are set to benefit from the Senate’s extra-special benevolence—states including Alabama, Mississippi, Texas and Louisiana.”

I wonder….

Jefferson Sessions – (R – AL)
Richard Shelby – (R – AL)
Cochran, Thad – (R – MS)
Wicker, Roger F. – (R – MS)
Cornyn, John – (R – TX)
Hutchison, Kay Bailey – (R – TX)
Landrieu, Mary L. – (D – LA)
Vitter, David – (R – LA)

There are the culprits…where is the outrage?

http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2013/01/03/pork-holding-up-senate-sandy-relief-bill-funneled-into-the-troughs-of-gop-deficit-hawks-you-betcha/

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Well said Kyle – liberal misdirection at its finest. I harken back to a Simpsons episode in which they tacked an air traffic control rider to a Flags for Orphans bill that nobody could vote against…

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Has anyone actually examined the need for the “tacked on spending”?

Roof repairs to the Smithsonian seems pretty direct to me.Isn’t Wayne Clough still the head of the Smithsonian? He was an excellent administrator when he was President of GT; what makes you think he has changed? If the roof leaks, fix it before it causes extra damage…rot, mold, mildew, etc.

Fisheries? Private sector shoul address this.

See Kyle, all “liberals” can be fiscal conservatives also. Why don’t you just stop lumping people with different views into your handy throwaway titles? So, are all conservatives facists? Members of the clan? Why don’t you just report the facts?

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JDW – now show us the complete list of beneficiaries of this pork, not just the Republicans you selected from red states…

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I’m still wondering why Federal relief is needed at all after a storm. Isn’t that why people buy insurance to begin with?

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JDW – also, don’t post oped links to bolster your factual claims, especially ones taglined “Writing from the left on politics and policy.”

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Why no mention that the pork in question was added by REPUBLICANS? If it had been Democrats doing it, the mouth-foaming and chest-beating would be rampant, with screams of SOCIALISM! and COMMUNISM!
The GOP has become a political suicide bomber, and should be treated as such. Literally.

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JDW – also, don’t post

Rules coming from someone who has such a limited imagination that they can’t come up with a remotely original moniker?

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Finn, utilities are not state own in most cases. Roads were not affected much except from being covered with sand. Bridges? If they built them without Federal dollars, they should be replaced without Federal dollars.

This is just more of the gimme gimme gimme generation that years of government education has created.

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@Drudge…”JDW – also, don’t post oped links to bolster your factual claims, especially ones taglined “Writing from the left on politics and policy.””

Facts are facts…especially those that post the full marked up bill copy..however given your handle I can surmise that facts aren’t very important to you.

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Nice try at deflection, Finn (given how wrong you were and how you were exposed), but I have plenty of insurance to cover any natural disaster with one of the most responsive insurance companies on the planet.

And given that I have never taken a tax dollar in my life that I didn’t work for, I’m not about to call an inefficient government agency for my first.

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Roads were not affected much except from being covered with sand. Bridges? If they built them without Federal dollars, they should be replaced without Federal dollars.

Our self-appointed storm damage expert wants to send a few brooms and call it a day.

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Please do not be blinded by this Red vs. Blue football game. They are all the same. BOTH parties want to re-distribute our money as evidenced by the bi-partisan distribution of this stinking pork. So yeah it’s good to be mad about the way the DC system works and we need responsible leadership that should just pass the needed relief funding and nothing else but to sit on one side or the other waving your pom poms by blaming the other team for this isn’t even pork. Just baloney.

If you want it to change then YOU have to vote YOUR rep out regardless of party when they support this kind of outrage. 90% of these fools get re-elected in a Congress that has a 12% approval rating. As they keep saying… do the math! Now who do WE blame again?

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Who, besides a terrorist like Al queda, or some kind of economic masochist, would want to default the U.S. on their credit obligations…!?!?

Likewise, who, beside some kind of self-hating, vengeful, pervert would want to see their fellow Americans suffer, especially through no fault of their own…!?!? Most likely the same kind of person who doesn’t care about all the school shootings in the last couple of years…

I mean, really, it speaks more to these kind of individual’s hearts and minds moreso than it does about their politics…

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Deflection, Tiberius?

Deflection assumes a force in motion with some substance. But that in no way defines anything you’ve ever written on this blog. So, it’s hardly a deflection on my part.

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I accept your surrender, Finn.

Next time, answer the questions instead of posting more nonsense, OK?

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The last person we need back in government is one of the architects of it’s failure.

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‘The worst day of my presidency’: Barack Obama receives the horrific news about the shootings at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn.

Gosh, I wonder why obozo wants to share this information with us now? Are we reliving the highlights and lowlights of our presidency and just forgot to share all the others? Has this tragedy tore him so much that he had to put his billion dollar Hawaiian Fun-In-The-Sun vacation on hold?

Or is he just a craven user of dead children for the long sought after goal of any other America hating socialist?

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Finn,

Amen brother. It absolutely starts with campaign finance. Could not agree more!

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And just who do you think provides the money when government pays the bills, Finny? ‘Cause that’s where we know you are heading with that 12:10 comment.

And if you’re beholden to the people who paid your way into office now, wouldn’t you be beholden to the government that paid your way into office if you went to public financing (not that YOU’D see that as a bad thing)?

Try to think things through sometime, will ya?

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Finn doesn’t understand the concept of leverage in negotiating.

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“Saying roads should be good to go after we sweep a little sand off of them is incredibly naive.”

Of course, YOU were the one to say that, Aquagirl, not me. But nice try.

“Asking the people there to live without power for 10 years seems a little hard-hearted, even for you.”

And I never said that either, Aquairl, but keep fantasizing.

“If you rebuild using special taxes imposed in the area, people will simply abandon it.”

Cite, please?

“While the idea of wiping major NE cities off the map might thrill you, it would have negative affects on our national economy.”

More fiction on your part, Aquagirl. It is obvious that you do not wish to partake in intelligent discussion, but rather wish to generate hyperbolic statements of your OWN making instead of addressing mine.

“The idea that what happens in New York doesn’t affect people in Georgia was abandoned by the Founding Fathers in 1787. They understood the economy in one State affected the others.”

And I’m sure you can cite the specific passage in the U.S. Constitution that authorizes Federal disaster aid. Perhaps when you cannot find it, you might want to provide specific passages in the Federalist Papers which does.

Come back when you’re ready to discuss, OK?

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You incompetent neocons are a work of art.

But keep on being the winners you are, just you were this past November, OK?

LOL!

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But as Jamvet said, keep doing what you guys are doing.

It is working so well.

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Finn McCool posted “When an individual or group of people provide you with the cash necessary to get elected, it shouldn’t be strange that that they expect a few things in return.”

So, should the former Gwinnett County Commissioner and her son have their bribery convictions overturned, or are only local governments accountable for such?

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Where did the neocons get this anger and fear about our government? Would you prefer a government like Russia’s? Somali’s? Canada’s?

Without guvmint there are no laws, without laws there are no personal property rights, without personal property rights there is no capitalism.

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Tiberius

And I am under no obligation to post anything your cry baby behind wants me to post…

Now get some friends, stop being so bitter and lonely……. and run along

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Tiberius – pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed

January 4th, 2013
11:27 am
I’m still wondering why Federal relief is needed at all after a storm. Isn’t that why people buy insurance to begin with?
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And I’m still wondering why people still ask stupid questions like this despite them having been answered inumerable times.

Try showing a little personal initiative and look up the answer for yourself. Stop assuming that just because you don’t know the answer, it must not be important.

Here is a little charity work for you, to maybe start you on a path to intellectual curiosity: http://www.fema.gov/disaster-survivor-assistance

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Tibby, you have children’s blood on your hands.

Check!

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“And I’m still wondering why people still ask stupid questions like this despite them having been answered inumerable times.”

Really, saywhat?

Then ANSWER IT.

If you can.

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And I’m sure you can cite the specific passage in the U.S. Constitution that authorizes Federal disaster aid.

There is of course no specific passage, of course, like there is no specific passage to build the roads that need repair. (Unless you’re counting them as “post roads” but then that would ruin all the shouting to shut down the Post Office, so maybe you don’t want to take that tack.)

However if you’re against any federal spending except that specifically enumerated in Article I, section 8, your world would really, really really suck. Say goodbye to power grids, water systems, interstate roads, internet…oops, there goes your ability to complain on Kyle’s blog.

On second thought, it might be worth pulling those services if we didn’t have to endure your posts. So I might have to cede this argument to you.

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Love the poutrage this morning, if not for the sad fact that you libs can’t answer a single, simple question.

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Finn McCool posted “I’m not advocating legalizing bribery, Centrist, what I am saying is that such occurrences shouldn’t be unexpected.”

Agreed. Republicans did the same thing when they were in power – this is an institutional problem.

We only recently got rid of “earmarks” where individual Congresspeople put in goodies to help them with special interests – but evidently pork is still a mainstay on the congressional menu. The line item veto would not have done any good in these cases since the porkers were all Obama campaign constituents and the veto pen would have fallen out of reach under his desk.

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Next time anyone over here wants to yell about the White House not signing the annual budget presented by Congress, I’ll remind you about what pork is and the parts of the budget that fall into that category that cause the WH not to sign it.

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This is not a RED or BLUE problem. It is a congressional problem. We should not continue to tollerate these additions (PORK) for any reason. With a 16 Trillion debt and a request to raise the debt ceiling it seems it should stop. The outrage needs to come from everyone who pays taxes. The entire congressional group is out of control. They spend money they dont have because they dont fear the ramiification and can simply right it off as part of playing politics in Washington DC. It needs to stop

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tiberius -blah blah blah needs to learn to answer his own questions but like a typical conservative, he is too lazy (even read the link I generously provided for him) and is happy to just pretend he knows the answer. Its called low effort thought.
http://psp.sagepub.com/content/early/2012/03/16/0146167212439213.abstract?rss=1

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saywhat?, you provided what assistance the Federal government provides, not WHY they should be providing it.

If you want to have an intelligent discussion, you really need to READ what is asked of you.

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“As I’ve said before, the real problem lies with those who lard up such bills with extra spending because they know those pet projects have a better chance of passing when attached to such an urgent measure.”

Why, oh why in the world, cannot those in Congress just draft and vote on singular items of legislation? I mean, really, who votes on things that way in real life? If they want pork spending bills, then draft them separately and pass them with the attitude that “I’ve got your back and you’ve got mine”. What they do now seems incomprehensibly stupid.

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“This is not a RED or BLUE problem. It is a congressional problem. We should not continue to tollerate these additions (PORK) for any reason. With a 16 Trillion debt and a request to raise the debt ceiling it seems it should stop. The outrage needs to come from everyone who pays taxes. The entire congressional group is out of control. They spend money they dont have because they dont fear the ramiification and can simply right it off as part of playing politics in Washington DC. It needs to stop.”

Well said, Fred. I agree totally.

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What they do now seems incomprehensibly stupid.

Gotta disagree with you there…Looking at the re-election rate it seems quite smart, if their sole concern is keeping their butts in those seats.

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@Kyle…”That is a different point than the one I was making, which is that — regardless of whose pork it is — Congress shouldn’t load up a relief bill with lots of unrelated spending and then demand that it be passed immediately without question.”

In a perfect world maybe that would work…guess what this one is not perfect. Railing about a bill being loaded up with pork and then intimating the blame lies solely with The Administration is what makes you a partisan. Especially a bill that really has little if any totally unrelated pork and the vast majority of any pork seems to have been a direct result of preventing a REPUBLICAN filibuster.

Would it have cost 2 or 3 or maybe even 5 billion in pork to have passed the bill…maybe, but in the overall picture that is less than a rounding error. Now instead of moving on to other more pressing problems Boner and crew have to fix this mess…guess what it is still going to cost $60 billion, maybe even more pork and more importantly time.

You want bills with no pork, great, me too but the system has to be changed first and we can’t stop living in the meantime.

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“You want bills with no pork, great, me too but the system has to be changed first and we can’t stop living in the meantime.”

There are no Congressional “requirements” for pork I am aware of. So the “system” can be changed overnight if so desired.

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“Jam, please remember you very own post when you run over to Jay’s and whine that “The neocons over at Kyle’s never want to debate the topic/issue. All they want to do is call names, attack, insult. It’s us on the left that try to have adult conversations, and the cons won’t do it”.”

Hmmm….Good point, TBG.

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Congress passed the aid bill for hurricane Katrina in 12 days… It was laden down with pork too… Hurricane Sandy occurred more than two months ago and it devastated three times as many homes, businesses and people’s lives as Katrina… The Johnny “one note” Boehner (cut spending) led House Republicans have been removed from all debt/deficit negotiations… The Democrat controlled Senate and the White House will be handling all debt/deficit reduction talks and spending bills from this point forward… The borrow and spend House Republicans only know about running up the debt and deficit… They don’t know a damn thing about reducing it…

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This is a lie. This Sandy-relief bill isn’t greased with pork like Darrel Issa claims. That’s a far right-wing lie to justify the cruelty they’re inflicting on victims of the storm in NY and NJ. If you want to claim the bill is larded with pork, you need to provide legitimate examples and not make sweeping claims like this.

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You can almost feel the extra venom in Kyles remarks these days.

The Republicans are literally re arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic these days.

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@Towncrier…”There are no Congressional “requirements” for pork I am aware of. So the “system” can be changed overnight if so desired.”

Sure all you have to do is get 538 elected officials to stop negotiating with each other. Want to take any bets on how that is going to work out without new laws/regulations?

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Black Guy

Do right leaning bloggers call names on this blog and over at Bookman’s? Seems it is a problem on both sides with no “monopolies” to be found.

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It’s true that Katrina was handled much better than Sandy has been.

Who knows, maybe we had an actual president around when Katrina struck?

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Aesop, I don’t think either President has done well at storm disaster relief.

I just think that the lens was focused far more critically on President Bush rather than current President Incompetent.

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Having lived thru 2 hurricanes and watching Christie pontificate 24 hours after the event that things were going well, i came to think of this guy as a severe political hack and full of crap ( and anything caloric). For those of you who haven’t been thru one , it takes several days to understand the impact of a hurricane. Christies an idiot and should muzzle himself…

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@Kyle…”You’ve fallen for the EMERGENCYEMERGENCYWEHAVETOPASSITALLNOW claptrap.”

No I have not fallen for anything. It is simple, we have a disaster relief/preparedness problem. Some of the needs are immediate some are not but all however they are all problems…well 95% of it anyway. Washington, mainly due to the Party of No can’t get a damn thing done without a sense of urgency. So if one must be manufactured to solve this problem and move on to the next one so be it.

Now if you want well reasoned mostly prudent legislation then the Party of No needs to stop with the soundbytes and do some work for a change. Think I am being one sided…take a look at the recent so call fiscal cliff debacle and then check out the looming debt ceiling battle…a battle to pay the bills Congress has already incurred mind you.

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“Some of the needs are immediate some are not but all however they are all problems”

Really? What are the “immediate” needs in disaster relief that the Federal government is responsible for, JDW?

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JDW

January 4th, 2013
3:03 pm

@Kyle…”You’ve fallen for the EMERGENCYEMERGENCYWEHAVETOPASSITALLNOW claptrap.”

No I have not fallen for anything. It is simple, we have a disaster relief/preparedness problem. Some of the needs are immediate some are not but all however they are all problems…

False argument my friend because the President has the authority to redirect money from any executive branch department to cover a true emergency while Congress allocates the funds.

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…a battle to pay the bills Congress has already incurred mind you.

Not exactly true again, JDW, the US Govt has more than enough cash/revenue coming in to fund the debt. No chance we would default, this is just Democrat alarmist rhetoric. We don’t have enough to pay on the debt and 100% fund the daily operation of the government, but if we pared it back to say, what 2008 levels, we would be close. Obama wants the debt ceiling raised not for the reason he says, to pay for the programs Congress has already passed, but to continue with the deficit spending.

If he was told, he could write another Exec Order, never create another program, or never increase government spending again, I think he would just trudge off to the golf course and play several rounds per day until his term expired. He has no desire/interest in actually governing what he is responsible for today, he just wants to expand and grow government, IMO.

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“On the other hand, the idea of debating each project (such as those on the list in this original bill) and voting on them separately is naïve and unworkable. (Towncrier@ 1:34 pm” “Why, oh why in the world, cannot those in Congress just draft and vote on singular items of legislation?”)”

And just how is the alternative working out? Hmmm?

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Finn McCool posted: “the Senate and White House will be running the country and the House will be consulted only when it is mandatory that they be.”

Just when we were starting to agree on some things, somehow you think the Senate has some exclusive power that the House doesn’t have. The president has executive orders, and regulations (and self serving interpretations of them) can be promulgated by various agencies unless Congress reverses or restricts them – but legislation requires the president’s signature on bills passed by the Senate and the House. During March, this especially includes increasing the debt ceiling and substitute legislation for automatic sequestration already set by legislative law.

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You’ve fallen for the EMERGENCYEMERGENCYWEHAVETOPASSITALLNOW claptrap

Your usual socialist liberal blog audience is incapable of objective thought Kyle.

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Rafe

Were you a character on Fantasy Island? You post so many “ifs”……. “if this”, “if that”

Is it the talk radio, right wing whack site or what?

If ifs and buts were candy and nuts, everyday would be Christmas………

Get out of talk radio fantasy land………..

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When the President need to get things done, he call on Vice President Joe “pit bull” Biden…

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“And just how is the alternative working out? Hmmm?”

Better than the suggested alternative.

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ANN COULTER: Why, as that man just said, why aren’t we getting names of recently paroled criminals? People with gun permits, by definition, do not criminal records. Why can’t we get the criminal records? No, you can’t get that. Why can’t we get a record of women who have had abortions? They get money from Planned Parenthood, they get money from Medicare, from Medicaid. They’re tax subsidies. I think, you know, mothers might want to know what other women on their street might be willing to murder a child.

Just have to love it when the hypocrisy of the left is brought into full view.

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Christie does need to be careful because if you try to be a voice of reason in a sea of insanity the TP and Grover and Demint will whack your knees.

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The House Republicans are regional bigots… They’re discriminating against the victims of hurricane sandy, most of whom are Republican voters… Congress passed flood relief aid, laden down with pork for victims of hurricane Katrina in just 12 days… The victims of hurricane sandy have been waiting for more than two months and then the Boehner led Republicans shortshift them by passing a measly $9.7 billion aid package… The House Republicans will be pushed aside and ignored …

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Christie’s mouth is as big as his lardazz.

That ^^^ or something similar to ^^^ that is what the left was saying about Christie back when…

I guess they’re looking for a leader since theirs has been MIA for four years.

schnirt

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@ td ===> Master of the false analogy… Apples and oranges…

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@Rafe Hollister preparing for an Obamanist America

January 4th, 2013
4:43 pm
IF Da Plane had a brain, he would not drink quite so much Koolaid. IF we had a less ideologically driven and more qualified President, we would not have the most sluggish economic “recovery” in modern history. IF people made better decisions in their life, there would be less need for so many Government programs. IF people actually used their brains to select politicians instead of voting for what benefited their pocketbooks, America would be a better place. IF Government did not waste so much of our money, Government would have more money to “invest” in their programs.

Imagine/IF is a great word, at least John Lennon thought so.
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“IF” CONS stop EATING PORK they’d ALL BE HEALTHY.

These are the sandy relief/porkfest culprits…where is the outrage RAFE?

Jefferson Sessions – (R – AL)
Richard Shelby – (R – AL)
Cochran, Thad – (R – MS)
Wicker, Roger F. – (R – MS)
Cornyn, John – (R – TX)
Hutchison, Kay Bailey – (R – TX)
Landrieu, Mary L. – (D – LA)
Vitter, David – (R – LA)

Oink Oink

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Just Saying..posted a quote and comment: “ ‘…but if they refuse to engage the GOP-controlled House, they still won’t get anything passed.’

As in, for example, the just-passed fiscal cliff bill all these posts are lamenting?”

Very different because legislation in place had taxes increasing for all taxpayers. The President, Senate, and House agreed to cut those automatic tax increases for all taxpayers earning less than $450K/yr (and not renewing the temporary halt to a third Social Security tax).

In March, no more borrowing to cover the deficit can take place, and automatic domestic and defense sequestration of funding happen. The President, Senate, and House will have to agree to terms to increase the debt ceiling and replace the automatic sequestration with more targeted spending cuts. Both of our GA Senators who voted for the tax change are siding with the rest of the Congressional delegation who opposed it, plan to use the March deadlines to cut government spending.

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yuzeyurbrane

January 4th, 2013
4:58 pm

You do know a bill was passed today?

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‘Ya know…if Christie can’t see the pigs for the pork, maybe he should back away from the slop bucket. If he needs to call somebody out, why not call ‘em all out?

sooieeeeeeeeee

On this one he’s coming across as willfully uninformed.

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From Northjersey.com

Ellis, of the taxpayers group, said the bill includes significant amounts of spending on projects unrelated to Sandy recovery, including $200 million for an Amtrak project on its Northeast Corridor rail line and new funding for Housing and Urban Development projects. He said the bill moved through the Senate too fast for lawmakers to scrutinize its contents.

There has been about 20 posts, so far today, of the same chart of all the GOP Senators who were involved in the pork. The implication is that the GOP alone loaded up the relief bill with pork. Not true, as usual.

Point out to me which of them asked for Amtrak and HUD projects in the NE. Which GOP Senator asked for funding for the roof repair at the Smithsonian? All the Senators are pork absorbing creatures, not just the GOP.

Read an article on Ted Cruz today, who is new to the Senate and is hopped up on cutting spending. The author pointed out that he may stay the course for awhile, but he soon will get close to reelection time and he will have no chance, if he doesn’t bring home the bacon to Texas.

Sad, but true, our electorate votes on how much stuff they get.

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Christie and lard in the same paragraph was a Freudian slip.

I’m not sure it is all lard, maybe gas, which would explain his frequent popping off at the mouth.

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And no American should have blind faith in politicians of either party.

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Wasn’t too long ago the right was fawning all over Big Christie

bwhahahaha

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Tiberius – pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed

January 4th, 2013
5:12 pm
I’m trying to figure out which sock puppet Uh Huh used to be before this current incarnation.
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Huh?

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I kinda like Gov. Christie. He doesn’t “beat around the bush”. It was his state that was suffering and he wanted help. I believe that’s a governor’s job

So he’s fat! At least his fat is not in his head which seems to be the location of many complainants here.

But you all mean well. Right? OOoweee I think I shall have some Mogen David and fruitcake left from Christmas. Make merry, mon amis , for another mighty moment of monumental spending.

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The Mall at Stonecrest has major debt issues that could leave it vulnerable to foreclosure.

They should use the Obama stimulus model, pass out some money so folks will have something to spend in the mall. That should increase revenue for the merchants. Maybe they can print some Stonecrest bucks, which are redeemable for merchandise.

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Dusty,

I agree abit about Christy. I think he has a good heart and is pretty intelligent. I think he realized Romnay couldn’t beat Obama and so he didn’t pretend that it was going to happen.

It is Romnay, right? Maybe my vote didn’t count cause of a misspelling? Oh my.

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Dusty, some of your (presumably) non-obese but still swinish pals here don’t share your sentiments about the NJ governor.

If ANYBODY dares stand up to the GOP power brokers they are trash. (GOP first. America and Americans a distant second, right Rafe? LOL!)

Speaking of which, looks like the RINO Chuck Hagel will be the next SecDef.

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Seems like it was only yesterday that JDW was pining for less guns in America, which he said would lower gun violence.

http://news.yahoo.com/philippines-shooting-spree-illustrates-global-gun-violence–190043649.html

While the United States has the highest per-person percentage of gun ownership in the world, according to Reuters, the Philippines has a much lower gun-ownership ratio. There are a mere 4.7 guns for every 100 Filipinos and there are 3.9 million privately licensed firearms in the Philippines. In the United States, there are 88.8 guns per 100 people and 270 million in the country, reports GunPolicy.org, a web site hosted by the Sydney School of Public Health at the University of Sydney.
Despite those numbers, the Philippines has a much higher gun-related homicide rate than the United States.

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Jamvet

Wrong again, GOP does not register on my priority list. Here it is

God, Family, Freedom, America, in that order. The first three are essential, the last depends on how it affects or impinges on the first three. Since you asked, Jammie!

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What’s the over/under on this staying open? I think 10 pm would be fair.

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Yeah, let’s judge ourselves based on the Philippines and no other country.

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Freedom!

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Both sides do it with impunity and we keep electing them. So who is really to blame?

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I would probably agree with Kyle on his opinion of Christie if
he had opined but since he didn’t I will say Christie damaged
his political future with the Republicans for little gain. Monday
would have been just as good for passage and could have
happened today without his meltdown but that being said
I think the Speaker wishes he had taken his call.

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Tiberius probably wants to defund the Coast Guard since they aren’t military, right?

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@Rafe Hollister preparing for an Obamanist America
January 4th, 2013
5:19 pm

@barking frog
January 4th, 2013
6:19 pm

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CONS are FLIP FLOPPERS.

They love Chris Christe…….Then they hate Chris Christe

RNC 2012: Christie’s speech was better than the reviews it’s gotten
12:20 pm August 29, 2012, by Kyle Wingfield

TAMPA — The consensus around here seems to be that Chris Christie might have been Tuesday’s keynote speaker, But Christie delivered exactly what I expected, and was quite good at doing so.
But it had all the elements that remind us why Christie has become a conservative champion, and why 2012 is unlikely to be the high-water mark of his influence in the party.
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RNC 2012: Tuesday night thread – roll call, Ann Romney, Chris Christie
6:23 pm August 28, 2012, by Kyle Wingfield

Class of ‘98
August 28th, 2012
8:20 pm
Can’t wait for Chris Christie.

Tuck Bodi
August 28th, 2012
8:32 pm
I’m looking forward to Guv Christie talking about his alternative to ObamaCare.

I think Christie’s idea and plan is brilliant and don’t think it could come from a BETTER spokeperson! ChristieCares rocks!
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MAKE UP YOUR MINDS CONS.

LOVE HIM OR HATE HIM

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Middle-class workers will take a bigger hit to their income proportionately than those earning between $200,000 and $500,000 under the new fiscal cliff deal, according to the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center.

Earners in the latter group will pay an average 1.3 percent more – or an additional $2,711 – in taxes this year, while workers making between $30,000 and $200,000 will see their paychecks shrink by as much as 1.7 percent – or up to $1,784 – the D.C.-based think tank reported.

Yep, that obozo, he’s a sharp one alright.

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I just thought I’d better drop in to wish one and all over here the best for the New Year…

Y’all be nice and don’t let our cretins send your cretins into a dither and cause you grief…

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UH Huh

Speaking of minds as you did, have you had yours checked lately? I think your oil is a bit low.

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Just imagine all the dimwits next week staring at their shrunken paychecks going wha

Yeah, that’s what we libs will be feeling while Aesop and the other fast food workers will be going “What drop? $.05 cents? Ok”

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JOSEF……HOW GOOD TO SEE YOU!!

Please stick around.. I’m off to eat dinner.

“Ours is not to do or die,

Ours is but to blog and cry”

Us crass cretins do create complexities. Do join us..

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If the mainstream media was non-partisan and committed to doing its job, the pork portions of the bill—like the $100 in new funding for the Head Start program, and millions for Alaska fisheries(!)—wouldn’t be there.

See http://www.pressreleasewriter.info later for a full analysis of the bill.

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DUSTY

Ah! I do indeed miss your literary bent…!

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@TD…”False argument my friend because the President has the authority to redirect money from any executive branch department to cover a true emergency while Congress allocates the funds.”

ummmm….I am glad you think so but if he did you would be the first to yell. Very gray area and in the debt ceiling mess we might find out.

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@Dusty

January 4th, 2013
6:41 pm
UH Huh

Speaking of minds as you did, have you had yours checked lately? I think your oil is a bit low.
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Your children each got a BMW?

YOU need to check your mind if you think WE believe

that LIE.

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@@January 4th, 2013
6:48 pm
Please stick around.. I’m off to eat dinner.
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You are a fast eater.
It only took you 9 minutes to eat before you
posted again at 6:57.

OINK ONIK

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For the Reb:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-qdYP5Eb4M

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BRUNO

So, how’s life in the provinces…?

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AESOP

Oh, it ain’t just a Dem thing…

http://thehill.com/blogs/defcon-hill/policy-and-strategy/274631-log-cabin-republicans-release-new-ad-attacking-hagel

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Dat’s a hedgehog, fo sure.

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AESOP’s

She ain’t no beauty, thass for sure! Now, y’all’s Babeu…well…

BRUNO

I’ll be getting with you SE, one of my New Year’s resolutions…

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Brother Bruno, playing some beloved George Harrison.

You’re the best. Back at ya, buddy…

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/5667366/george_harrison_all_things_must_pass/

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HILLBILLY

Indeed, you’re not. I was hoping to catch you here. I’ve been thinking about you and some of our conversations a lot lately. I’ve been digging into the French and Indian Wars…no wonder the MAJOR historians tend to leave that Chapter out…

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I see the honesty of your socialist liberal audience is about on par with their objectivity, Kyle.

Socialism — BOO!

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@@,

Why don’t you eat dinner?

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In media interviews Friday, just-retired Rep. Barney Frank said he’d like the Massachusetts governor to appoint him as an interim senator.

What is wrong with these politicians. 32 years is ENOUGH! Time to move on, Barney….make it on your own.

Getalife:

I’m not hungry?

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josef

I’ve come to believe if the French had held onto the Louisiana Territory, this might of been a better place with a better history. We’ll never know the answer to that one, though.

A couple book recommendations for you:
We Have the War Upon Us, William J Cooper

Haven’t read this one yet but saw a talk by the author and he gave a very interesting talk about how mindless partisanship and not knowing your adversary led to events that took place.

The Un-Civil War, Leonard M Scruggs

It makes some interesting points, although it’s not really as a balanced a book as it should’ve been. I like warts and all.

America Aflame, David Goldfield

Haven’t gotten too far into that one yet. It does make some interesting points about who was mixing church and state, in the early part of the 19th century, in the U.S. That’s all gotten overlooked.

For everybody who wants a balanced look at the situation about the hunt for and killing of Osama Bin Laden…….

The Finish, Mark Bowden

Kamchak

I look at Google Earth a good bit and I noticed they’ve added a new satellite pic of my area, taken just a few months ago. I can see my tomato cages from the photo, which is probably not a good thing. Least they didn’t get a pic of me peeing in the yard, I guess.

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A long, long time ago, when decency was commonplace, a GLBT was a sandwich.

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Socialists, Communists and Marxists, oh my!

That claptrap if for losers like Alan West, who sees commies everywhere.

Excuse me, SAW commies everywhere. (Unless they are all in the unemployment line with him these days!)

I always loved everything about this song…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4xp2lgiAjY

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“And then, in 1945, with the country loaded to the gills with war debts, the top bracket hit an all-time high: 94%.

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/history-of-tax-rates?op=1#ixzz2H3uKBmKz

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Getalife:

No.

Some folks live to eat…I eat to live.

I’ve never been a big eater…more of a nibbler.

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A French actor is the cons new hero.

Freedom or french fries?

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Some folks live to eat…I eat to live.

That makes two of us. Eating’s just not the cosmic experience for me that it is for some folks.

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Hillbilly D

I more than doubled my garden area last year and grew more than I needed. My late Da always grew beans, but I’ve got some canned from two years ago. I’m tempted to let the largest part grass over, but I wonder how difficult it will be to garden again.

Any advice?

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I’ve been to Paris

Tried to get in my pants

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HILLBILLY

Thanks for the suggestions.

I got off on the French and Indian Wars from backing up from what I was doing on the de Frankicization of the South during Reconstruction. I thought I was getting a handle on it, more or less starting with the fallout from the French Revolution, the Haitian Revolt and the Napoleanic Wars. When I went back beyond the Treaty of Paris of 1763, though, it began to take on a new focus in my mind, and I am more than ever convinced that your contention that things would have turned out better hold up. But, as you say, we’ll never know…

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Stick around, where France failed obumer will succeed.

Tax wise that is.

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From two threads down.

Your “come to jesus” moment came two days ago.

There’s your sign.

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josef

If that had happened, I think we’d have had no “Manifest Destiny”, probably no war with Mexico, and the Plains Indians would probably have had a better fate, than what they did. The French had their problems with the Indians, too, but less so because they looked on them more as trading partners, rather than somebody to be conquered as the Spanish did or pushed aside as the English/us did. It’s really a moot point now, except for those of us who like to dig into history.

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How many little kritters can I kill with this?

My only pest was a single groundhog and it only took one shot.

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More evidence of a right wing hoax including Kyle to deprive moderate NE citizens of needed disaster and storm dmage funds so as to punish the big fat guy for going off the reservation:

“”"”"”"”"”"Fox News is continuing its hunt for “pork” in a Hurricane Sandy relief bill blocked by House Speaker John Boehner, claiming that the bill included $600 million for the Environmental Protection Agency to address climate change. But the funds in question actually focused on ensuring affected states’ access to clean water, a crucial issue in the wake of the storm – and emblematic of future consequences of climate change.

Continuing Fox News’ attempts to find “pork” in the bill, Fox News anchor Bill Hemmer proclaimed lawmakers “were just chucking everything” including “$600 million for climate change for the EPA” into the bill, and “that’s where the resistance” from Rep. Boehner came”
“”"But the previous day, Rep. Carolyn Maloney had explained to Fox Business that the “money is for wastewater treatment,” which she pointed out is “very much needed” in many areas hit by Sandy. Indeed, The New York Times reported that sewage from storm-battered treatment plants had flowed into New York and New Jersey waterways after the storm, “a sign of an environmental and public health disaster that officials say will be one of the most enduring and expensive effects of Hurricane Sandy.”"”"”"”"”"”

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/01/04/fox-news-bogus-hunt-for-pork-in-sandy-bill-cont/192035

Pork for damage caused by non-Sandy storms to appease the Southern Repub Senators who fillibuster anything coming from the Kenyan communist in the White House and pork created from
fiction by Fox News to lambast the Kenyan Marxist.. And ya’ll complain about the leftist media?

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If you need more than ten rounds, I wouldn’t be “bragging” about my marksmanship skills.

Just sayin’.

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My comment served a dual purpose with part of it being sarcasm, kamchak. Don’t get all ate up about it.

Chill.

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Nevaeh Atkins was going to be born soon enough. She just wanted a helping hand, evidently.

She got one from her doctor, as seen in a photo snapped Oct. 9 by her father just before her birth via C-section.

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02442/baby_2442616c.jpg

Sweet.

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Cops: Mother of two surprises intruder with five gunshots

By Christian Boone

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

The Loganville mother of two assumed the knocks on her front door Friday afternoon were from a solicitor.

“Don’t answer,” she yelled to her 9-year-old twins playing downstairs.

When the visitor began repeatedly ringing the doorbell, she called her husband at work.

“Get the kids and hide,” he told his wife.

As he dialed 911, his 37-year-old spouse, who works from home, collected the children and hid with them in a crawlspace adjoining her office. By that time, the intruder had forced his way into the three-story residence on Henderson Ridge Drive with a crowbar, authorities said. He allegedly rummaged through the home, eventually working his way up to the attic office.

“He opens the closet door and finds himself staring down the barrel of a .38 revolver,” said Walton County Sheriff Joe Chapman, who relayed the woman’s narrative to the Atlanta Journal-Constitution. He asked that her name be withheld.

The woman fired six bullets, five of which hit Paul Ali Slater in the face and neck area, Chapman said. But Slater was still conscious.

“The guy’s face down, crying,” the sheriff said. The woman told him to stay down or she’d shoot again.

Slater, unaware that she had emptied her chamber, obliged as the mother and her children ran to a neighbor’s house.

http://www.ajc.com/news/news/local/mother-of-two-surprises-burglar-with-five-gunshots/nTnGR/

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I see several of Jay’s regs have bounced over the Kyle’s blog tonight.

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HILLBILLY

I forgot to add, and the French Revolution would most likely have turned out a lot differently, too…

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There’s your sign.

Yep, liberals can’t count nor do they know anything about firearms.

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Hmmm Hillbilly and Josef are talking about history books and such . History is not my “thing”.

I quick read Tolstoy’s Anna Karenin the other day since I first read it long ago. . Has anyone seen the movie? I wanted to see how close it followed the book but never found exactly where the movie was playing.. .I had a feeling the movie ending was not the same as the book.

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Yeah, if you’re going to choose a revolver for protection make it a speed loader!

The woman was incredibly lucky. It’s painfully obvious that this woman had only the most rudimentary understanding of the pistol she wielded, much less the ability to reload with a “speed loader”.

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It turns out that the hawk is, for some reason, scared of crows…

Hawks and crows are natural enemies. Crows will gang up on a hawk (or an owl). I watch them around here all the time. I wonder if the hawks don’t prey on baby crows (not really sure). Usually I’ll see a dozen or so crows get after a hawk and usually the hawk will just move on up high, as he can fly higher than crows can.

I did see the thing about ravens and found it quite interesting. In my family, we’ve always believed that a crow can tell when you have something in your hand (a shotgun say) and when you don’t. That research sort of confirms what we learned by observation through the generations.

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Aesop

Looks like my reply to your 9:36 got lost in cyberspace. I’m too lazy to type it again.

if you’re going to choose a revolver for protection make it a speed loader!

A revolver is my preferred handgun (for one thing it’s harder to shoot yourself by accident with a revolver). That being said, if you’re going to have a firearm, you need to be proficient with it and know it’s workings. A pressure situation is not the time to be learning. It’s also a good idea to never fire your last shot, unless you have no choice.

I learned to shoot before I learned to read (and I learned to read at 5). If you’re going to have a firearm, you need to use it until it all becomes second nature to you, just like digging a hole with a shovel, or whatever.

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They are not coming for your guns con.

Get a grip.

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I guess Kyle never watches congress because they attach spending bills on all bills because they failed to pass a budget.

This is why rw media is not credible.

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I can see it now…some starry eyed female taking it as a compliment only to find out later that it’s anything but…

In the context of the song, it was a compliment to begin with but she’s the one who turned it on it’s head. (IW&SH)

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Hillbilly

Unmentionable says that what he was reading said that hawks do prey on baby crows.

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Michael – I once visited Toronto, where the cops are only armed with whistles. Sure enough, right in front of me, some dude in a Mustang Cobra 5 liter pulls up next to some cop, flips him off and smokes the tires of the Mustang. And then just sits there. Until the cop gets to the window of his Mustang upon which he floored it, roaring up the alley with the cop running after him, blowing his whistle. I kid you not.

I’ve never laughed so hard.

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JOSEF

I don’t know about Jude Law. Just seems that recently I read a little about the movie by critics which did not say much about the plot. I don’t go to see many movies.

So I reread Tolstoy. Shall we say he’s a bit longwinded!! But a great writer and I couldn’t put the book down until I finished it.

I’ve also been hearing that “Lincoln” was a good movie. I’m sure you want to see that one. (Now, now. No hollering “fire” in the theater or some such action..)

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D – I know, I used to smoke a cigar while hunting, always facing my tree stand into the wind.

And, I know someone that used to hunt right next to 575. You could see him up there in his tree stand when you drove down the road. The wardens were hit and miss around those parts. They did get one guy for hunting over corn, way deep in the woods, but I’m pretty sure some nearby animal lovers turned him in.

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td – I was quite surprised to read that 6 shots from a .38 revolver and the dude still had a head attached to his shoulders. This must have been the scene from “Pulp Fiction” come to life. A .38 is just a slightly underpowered .357 magnum.

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josef

The tall pines offer good cover and a good vantage point for defense. I would imagine crows love being in the city because of the abundance of food sources. They’ll eat damn near anything.

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I know one thing for sure, where ever I see a Peregrine falcon, I do not see any crows. Nor any other type of bird.

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HILLBILLY

Interesting thing about the crows and eating…when Unmentionable is out feeding the birds, the crows will stay up on the wires watching and when the pigeons get through, they’ll come and eat. They don’t go in the feeders, though (the crows that is, I’ve never seen a pigeon in the feeders)

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Aesop’s Fables and other Lib Economic Theories

January 4th, 2013
10:35 pm

td – I hear ya, I hand load my .44 magnums because the factory loads don’t give me the Dirty Harry kick I’m looking for.

I had the chance several years ago to buy the equipment and learn and I turned down the offer. Bad mistake on my part. I still have about 10 boxes 320 grain hallow points but then it is back to the 240 or 180 grains.

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Ride herd even.

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Hillbilly

Will do to Brosephus…Enjoyed the visit as well, as always…

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Who, exactly – which members of Congress, added these un-related sending items to this bill? I’d like to see a list!

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“but cannot find time to help disaster victims in our most prosperous and popular states.”

Guess you missed the vote in Congress for the so-called “emergency” funds in your haste to post a rant, Aynie Sue.

Pay attention so you won’t look as stupid next time.

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Aynie Sue
6:35 am
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Never let the facts get in the way of the Idiotarian talking points you’ve seen on the progtard websites.

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A guy using Obamaphone talks about facts. Only in the con world.

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Barry

Look up the word “liberal” in the dictionary.

Then look up “fascist”

You cannot be both.

So, stop using the term “liberal fascist” here unless you just enjoy being stupid.

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Sorry, carlos, but you know exactly what I mean and I suspect it hits a little too close to home for you.

So, stop reading my posts here if it threatens your bubble.

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The jacker at 3:03, in the freaking morning, says more about itself than it says about @@.

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Aesop

@ 9:14 – it sure does

But shows does your 9:11

Why did you not mention that about yourself?

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Breitbart

Hahahahha

Wasn’t that one of the sites that was brainwashing their fans into thinking that the polling was incorrect because of their sampling and Romney was probably leading by a big margin?

Or maybe that was theblaze or wnd?

Either way, thanks for the laugh

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What, pray tell, is the problem with my 9:11?

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Temperatures in China have plunged to their lowest in almost three decades, cold enough to freeze coastal waters and trap 1,000 ships in ice, official media said at the weekend.

And here I was thinking that it was supposed to get warmer, oh yeah, no I wasn’t.

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Aesop

If you think history started the day you were born and where you live is the only place on earth, then you might be a liberal and believe in global warming.

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“And here I was thinking that it was supposed to get warmer, oh yeah, no I wasn’t.”

No, global warming makes it colder. That is when temperatures didn’t go up they started calling it global climate change. If it gets warmer, that is caused by global climate change. If it gets colder, that is caused by global climate change. If there are more hurricanes, that is becuase of global climate change. If there are less hurricanes, that is because of global climate change. No matter what the effect, the cause is global climate change. See how easy it is to prove something is real if ALL effects are predicted by it?

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AmVet:

Until she got sent packing by the host for going WAY over the line for writing venomous things about another blogger’s family.

While acting as a decoy for some old fella being attacked by said blogger. My “attack” (?seriously?) was aimed at the blogger, not his/her family. I merely asked him/her a question.

I’m outta here.

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I’m outta here.

For good? (schnort)

You globally cooled idiots do crack me up.

Stay ignorant, my friends…

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Mark, mountain dude using the word *prove* pretty much says it all…

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3 personal attacks in a row so far, what’s the over/ under on this one?

I’m going with ten before noon.

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“I’m going with ten before noon.”

Yeah, and Romney in a landslide, right?!

LOL!

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A day without a personal attack is like a day without sunshine, apparently.

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You globally cooled right wing fanatics are the greatest thing to ever happen to progressive, moderate and liberal causes.

Seriously.

And the more you stay stuck where you are, the greater the benefit.

Keep up the great work, boys!

And better luck in 2024…

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Let me be clear, I don’t know if global climate change is real or not. I am sure that man’s activities has an effect on the environment, we just don’t know how severe. What I have seen is an escalation of predictions of “dire consequences” if we don’t do something immediately. When the first predictions came out, we were hearing that there would be effects in “several hundred years”. Apparently, that did not get any attention, so now people talk about “tipping points” and dire consequences ten years down the road. Well, I am willing to wager my house that we will not see any major cities under water in ten years. Plus add it the fact that even if the United States cut their emissions back to 1990 levels, the Chinese and the Indians will continue to spew out greenhouse gases.

I am very much in favor of conserving energy, but more from an economic standpoint – saving energy makes long-term economic sense.

It is also telling that some of these “ecologically-minded” persons also oppose nuclear power, which creates energy WITHOUT creating any greenhouse gases.

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mm – Look at it this way

Ethanol mandates – produces more pollution, causes higher food prices and the stripping of forest land to grow more corn thus reducing the amount of CO2 scrubbing vegatation.

Energy saving light bulbs – emits ultraviolet radiation killing skin cells and causing cancer.

Electric vehicles – billions upon billions of dollars of tax dollars to subsidize something that no one wants and uses more energy to recharge it than just running a gasoline engine.

The War on Oil – greatly increased the cost of one of the most abundant fuels in the world, raising the cost of heating their homes, transportation, food and just about everything else for the poor and elderly.

I’ve got others.

Me, myself, I’d prefer if the libs would just leave it alone.

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We thought we were just letting a friend crash at the house for a few days; we ended up with a family of hillbillies who moved in forever, sleeping nine to a bed and building a meth lab on the front lawn.

Matt Taibbi’s latest on the financial bailouts is out:
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/secret-and-lies-of-the-bailout-20130104

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Apparently, that did not get any attention..

To those who are willfully ignorant and stuck in neutral.

Up until a very few years ago, almost NO cons AT ALL were even willing to admit that the mountain (get it?) of evidence regarding anthropogenic climate change was even there and compelling. Look at Aesop, tibs and Lil BB – they are still in total denial. Ask them! The best that they have by way of “explanation” is volcanoes, sunspots and wobbles in he earth’s orbit. And those are all pathetic “reasons”, even by ninth grade standards.

To wit, your original silly post was explained clearly and discounted in a National Geographic article seven years ago! And from 2007 – Jerry Falwell Warns Christians: Global Warming is a Satanic “Myth”

The empirically challenged and scientifically ignorant Republicans stand completely alone in the world on this matter. NOT ONE credible scientific organization on the planet discounts the theory. NOT ONE.

JUST the GOP.

But my role is not to persuade you cons. Your political motivation to remain scientifically illiterate and loathe all things academic is MUCH too great to even try.

I just pity you in the upcoming years as you FINALLY put your collective tails between your legs and acknowledge that Darwin was right, cigarettes do kill people and mankind is poisoning the planet and helping temperatures go up dramatically…

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Aesop

And if you have been banned or suspended, just say so, no need to shoot the messenger…

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“mankind is poisoning the planet and helping temperatures go up dramatically…”

I remember in the sixties when it was easily proveable that mankind was “poisoning the planet” when you could not swim in the Great Lakes because of pollution, when rivers caught on fire, and when you could not see Los Angeles due to the smog. Those are easy to see. Call me when there is clear evidence that the average temperature of the earth has “gone up dramatically”.

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Call me also when New York City (or Miami) is two feet below mean sea level.

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mountain man @ 10:39 am

Mountain man,

Let me be clear, you don’t know if global climate change is real or not, but you repeat the usual attacks on climatologists who tell us that it is. “That is when temperatures didn’t go up they started calling it global climate change.” No, they did not. For one thing, global temperatures are going up, and there has been no name change. Global warming and climate change are two related, but different things – an effect, and the consequence of that effect. No responsible climatologist attributes any specific weather effect to global warming. Keep in mind the word “global.”

Your house or a major city may not be under water in ten years, but there are places that already have gone under water.

Science is developing, and what may have been considered a long term problem, can become a question of a tipping point.

Chinese and Indians spew out greenhouse gases because of their developing economies. Is that a
reason for the developed countries to do the same? Chinese also do more than we do about renewable energy technologies.

It is not telling “that some of these “ecologically-minded” persons also oppose nuclear power, which creates energy WITHOUT creating any greenhouse gases” the way you present it. It is not the only thing nuclear power is doing or not doing – have you heard of nuclear waste? (And for the record, I do not oppose all nuclear power.)

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Name jackers

You are being attention starved idiots

Be brave enough to post under you own blog name

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Aesop

Yes the name jackers should be banned.

But seeing that you have been banned elsewhere, suspended and called out like a kid here, you might want to look in the mirror when saying “angry and mindless”.

That broad brush paints you as well

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“there are places that already have gone under water. ”

Yes, New Orleans for example is six feet below mean sea level. But that is because it is built on a river delta that is slowly sinking and not because MSL has been raised.

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“The mean sea level trend is 2.39 millimeters/year with a 95% confidence
interval of +/- 0.43 mm/yr based on monthly mean sea level data from
1931 to 1981 which is equivalent to a change of 0.78 feet in 100 years.”

This from NOAA.gov. So cities that are built one foot above MSL will be under water in about 125 years (given constant rate of rise). Or the city could go the New Orleans route and build a dike system to keep the water back.

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Obviously the liberals are trying to shut down the Wingfield blog, again.

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yuzeyurbrane

January 5th, 2013
11:23 am

td from yesterday–yes, I was aware that the House finally passed a bill for $9 billion of the $60 billion in Sandy relief that has been pending. That is about 15% of the total. Boehner has said he hopes to bring up a vote on the balance on January 15. We’ll see. By delaying it to a new Congress, it will have to be reintroduced, etc. and many many commentators are skeptical about the Jan. 15 date. In the meantime, many Americans (both Republicans and Democrats) are continuing to struggle amidst the ruins of their homes.

Another false argument my friend. No one in these areas have been turned down for government loans and all emergency aid has not been hampered one bit so far. It takes months for these loans to be processed and all the money FEMA had has not even been spent yet.

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mountain man @11:57 am
“Name one, specifically.”

Kiribati, Fiji, and parts of many other low-lying islands, in Maldives, Seychelles, and other places.

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Name one, specifically.

A simple google search would yield results such as this:

http://www.globalislands.net/news/newsdeskitem.php?newstype=Special&newsid=4660

The idea is to pay attention to the “canaries in the coal mine.”

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“Kiribati, Fiji, and parts of many other low-lying islands, in Maldives, Seychelles, and other places.”

And what is the MSL rise in those locations and why there and not in Miami? Or is it that the islands are sinking?

At one time all the “expert” geologists were theorizing a “land bridge” from Africa to South America as a way to explain the same fossils found only in those areas, because “as everyone knows, continents are fixed and do not move”. First they theorized a massive land bridge, then as no evidence could support the sinking os such, they theorized a narrow land bridge. Of course, now, with improved theories, we know there was never a land bridge, the continents were actually joined when those fossils were laid down and then continental drift (plate tectonics) moved the continents apart.

At one time the “experts” knew the earth was flat. Until evidence proved them wrong. We know that over geologic time CO2 levels have been WAY higher than today. We know that sea levels have been higher and have been lower, we just can’t tell the exact cause.

When the evidence comes in of a GLOBAL rise of sea level of 1 foot, then I will accept the global climate change THEORY. Until then don’t try to wreck our economy by proposing a ruinous “carbon tax”.

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Yep, someone is deliberately trying to undermine Kyle’s blog.

Don’t take it personally, the same individual is next door at Jay’s trying to be provocative as well

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Pardon me, found yet another device at my house that needed a screen name update!

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Be brave enough to pick one name and stick with it.

Sez the sock-puppet of another.

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Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes

January 5th, 2013
12:34 pm

Yep, someone is deliberately trying to undermine Kyle’s blog.

Don’t take it personally, the same individual is next door at Jay’s trying to be provocative as well

Well hopefully Kyle and Jay will ban the IP address. I wish they would change the rules to publish the IP address, email address and screen name of all name jackers.

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Didn’t think so.

You don’t remember the bet with Sooth that was also acknowledged by your other self?

I do, cause I was there in real time when the bet was made, and when you asked about again as one of your other selves.

Stick with referring to the Zapruder film, it’s the only thing you do well.

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“When the evidence comes in of a GLOBAL rise of sea level of 1 foot, then I will accept the global climate change THEORY. Until then don’t try to wreck our economy by proposing a ruinous “carbon tax”.”

MM, I think most reasonable people are willing to concede that mankind might be at least contributing to global warming. But, since scientists are unable to isolate the presumed causative factors from each other, it is impossible to know with certainty what all is causing it. For that reason, reasonable people may agree to restrictions that do not hurt the economy significantly but no more until there is more conclusive evidence. That is where I stand, anyway, as a conservative.

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td – Kamchak is lying. There is no such thing going on at kookman’s blog. Notice how Kamchak seems to be here just for the opportunity to attack Conservative bloggers? I’m not going to accuse it of name jacking but if the shoe fits….

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Well hopefully Kyle and Jay will ban the IP address.

Jay has banned this individual at least six times that I have witnessed, and Kyle just banned this individual just a couple of weeks ago and scrubbed the thread clean of all it’s posts.

The only remedy that I see is to convert the blogs to the same register and sign in that the rest of the AJC site uses.

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Kamchak: You don’t remember the bet with Sooth that was also acknowledged by your other self?
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I do remember a bet with that nut job, and that I won it. Don’t remember the details though…seems it had something to do with details of tax rates or tax burdens or some such. In any case, my posts in that regard were all done under the one and only name I’ve ever used here (or there)–Lil’ Barry Bailout.

But you’d remember it better than I, wouldn’t you, since you’re such a creep that you keep little dossiers on folks. I wouldn’t doubt you can go and cut ‘n paste it from your records.

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Also from the NOAA site:

“The actual amount of sea level change at any one region and location will vary greatly in response to regional and local vertical land movement”

Local vertical land movement – another way of saying the rise or sinking of the land itself, something that no one (yet) has said was a consequence of rising CO2 levels in the atmosphere.

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“For that reason, reasonable people may agree to restrictions that do not hurt the economy significantly but no more until there is more conclusive evidence.”

That is where I am also. I am a great proponent of energy conservation (negawatts), because not only does it not have a negative economic effec, it can have a positive economic effect. I even wrote Energy Secretary Chu when Obama was looking for “shovel-ready” projects for economic stimulus (he never wrote back, and rather than give loans to individuals and churches, for example, to install ground-source heat pumps, he chose to loan money to Solyndra). Leave the carbon tax out of it until we have more data.

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OK, let’s try this in stages.

td – Kamchak is lying. There is no such thing going on at kookman’s blog.

I didn’t say anyone was name jacking at Jay’s what I said was, “the same individual is next door at Jay’s trying to be provocative as well”

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Kamchak – Who’s being “provocative” over at kookman’s?

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The libs and cons got along last night.

Dusty was even nice for a change.

If she can do it, all you cons can do it too.

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Registering an account with a screen name so that you have to sign in to that account to use that screen name is a simple, fool proof way to resolve the issue. But then what would the liberals do for excitement?

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Fourth try:

Notice how Kamchak seems to be here just for the opportunity to attack Conservative bloggers? I’m not going to accuse it of name jacking but if the shoe fits….

No one on these blogs — with the possible exception of Granny Godzilla — has been name jacked more than me, so I will not engage in what I deem to be a reprehensible act. I was name jacked on a daily basis next door at Cynthia Tucker’s blog, undoubtedly by the same sociopath.

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“Registering an account with a screen name so that you have to sign in to that account to use that screen name is a simple, fool proof way to resolve the issue.”

That would solve the problem of name-jacking. It does not solve the problem of people logging on to deliberately violate the rules of the blog and re-institute the “bedtime” policy.

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“No one on these blogs — with the possible exception of Granny Godzilla — has been name jacked more than me, so I will not engage in what I deem to be a reprehensible act. I was name jacked on a daily basis next door at Cynthia Tucker’s blog, undoubtedly by the same sociopath.”

There is no need to name jack when you can create a similar moniker/handle for satiric purposes – isn’t that right, Kamchak? I think it is important to…uuhhh…[Lifts toilet seat] HUUUURGGEHH…

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Who’s being “provocative” over at kookman’s?

twinkie boy. AKA: Communist AJC, LA, Who Dat?, Grand Forks, the gerbil, Fresh Prince etc.

Oh, I get it. A “Conservative” posts his point of view over at kookman’s and that’s provocative. And, if I’m following this bizarre train of thought correctly, that same provocative “Conservative” comes over to the Wingnut blog and jacks the names of, get this…….Conservatives.

Okay.

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Oh, I get it.

No, it’s painfully obvious you do not.

A “Conservative” posts his point of view over at kookman’s and that’s provocative.

No, twinkie boy has been trying to stir things up for days over there, but not by “post[ing] his point of view.”

that same provocative “Conservative” comes over to the Wingnut blog and jacks the names of, get this…….Conservatives.

The guy is first and foremost a sociopath

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Echo – Take it even a step further, what if the likes of “twinkie” et al were straw men being posted by a liberal? To make Conservatives look bad and keep the libs all righteously foamed up? It wouldn’t surprise me a bit.

Really, all the intelligent Conservatives that ever posted over there are long gone. She even banned @@. @@ for God sakes.

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Worth reposting here:

And just for the record, in a previous alter ego “Upchuck” was pleading for more civility, politeness and straightforward debate on issues.

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Not sure how intelligent they were, but except for one or two, you mean banned for their stupidity and unwillings and ability to act like an adult

That’s what you meant, but no problem. Glad I could clear it up.

No need to thank me.

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Big Daddy – Define intelligence.

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*willingness

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I was name jacked on Jim’s blog before the 2010 elections multiple times per day for a few months.

Not even close. Tucker’s blog was up and running for at least two years.

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Whoops—’Cash for Clunkers’ Actually Hurt the Environment

http://news.yahoo.com/why-cash-clunkers-hurt-environment-more-helped-024848694.html
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Now the helpless blue-stater Sandy victims know who to blame.

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Hopefully, people will not be that horrendously ignorant to wait for that.

They already are.

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td @ 1:42 pm

“Over the past 5 or so years there are more and more scientist on the other side of the argument coming out and saying man made global warming has a far less impact then the scientist you believe are saying.”

Actual surveys show that about 97-98 % of climatologists are convinced of global warming and the role of humans in it.

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OK, I’ll answer my question as to what constitutes intelligence and civility over at what’s left of the kookman blog, now that all of the thoughtful Conservatives have been banned, I give you the last five comments from there -

I dropped my twinkie

I don’t know what makes you so stupid, but it really works.

And believe me, it’s been that way for a while now.

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Where are the Friday document dumps and scandals with this President?

Where are the endless hearings from the rw conspiracy nuts?

You cons are slippin.

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Good for you! I like it.

Most excellent.

Because when I first awoke this morning I said to myself, “Self, what can you do today to make towncrier like me more?”

Always gratifying to have my goals validated.

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Town

You don’t call names and ankle bite at all, huh?

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crier,

I cut the bs and tell it like it is.. Like Christie on this issue.

I have been blogging for over a decade and don’t answer to any con.

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“John Coleman, the founder of The Weather Channel, and various other critics have called the theory that human use of carbon-based fossil fuels will lead to catastrophic global warming or climate change a “hoax.” It is, but it’s more than that, it’s criminal.”

“Here are some of the scientific questions at the core of this issue:

Is the climate changing? Of course. The climate always has changed and always will.

Is the earth getting warmer? We should hope so for at least two reasons: First, the world emerged from the Little Ice Age in the 19th century, so it would be worrisome if it weren’t getting warmer. Second, all the history indicates that humans thrive more during warmer periods than colder ones.”

“Are we humans causing the warming by our carbon emissions? Actually, most of the “greenhouse effect” is due to water vapor, which makes one wonder why the EPA hasn’t designated H2O a harmful pollutant that they must regulate. Meteorologist Brian Sussman’s calculations in his book “Climategate” show humanity’s share of the greenhouse effect as .9 of 1 percent.”

http://www.forbes.com/sites/markhendrickson/2012/09/16/climate-change-hoax-or-crime-of-the-century/

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td @ 2:15 pm
“Actually, most of the “greenhouse effect” is due to water vapor, which makes one wonder why the EPA hasn’t designated H2O a harmful pollutant that they must regulate.”

This argument shows most clearly the incredible ignorance of those who make it. Yes, water vapor is a greenhouse gas. And where does that excess of water in the atmosphere come from? From the greenhouse effect of CO2, which increases the global temperatures and increases the evaporation of water from bodies of water on earth.

“Meteorologist Brian Sussman’s calculations in his book “Climategate” show humanity’s share of the greenhouse effect as .9 of 1 percent.”

And all those hundreds of climatologist are wrong?

What I find most disheartening (unless I am in the usual optimistic mode) is this horrendous combination of ignorance and arrogance of the deniers among the public, and noticeably on the blog. Some list here all those little bits of information, both true and false, they think support their viewpoint, while others just stick to their politically-colored “beliefs.” Those former apparently belief that those hundreds of stupid climatologists, who overwhelmingly have expressed their conclusion that there is global warming and the activity of mankind is mainly responsible for it, were just unaware of that information and did not take it into consideration. Why, these people here are so much smarter than the professionals!

There is always uncertainty in science, especially when it comes to predictions. There can be and there is a rational debate about scientists about the accuracy and reliability of the models predicting the future. There is, and should be a rational debate among both scientists and non-scientists about what is the best way to deal with the fact of climate change. But the deniers are people who just have the dark-age mentality that should have no place in the society today.

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MarkV

January 5th, 2013
3:05 pm

What are you a climatologist? How do you know which side of this debate is correct?

You and others on this blog have said to evidence and I provided a little bit from scientist that say that man plays a very small or no role at all in global warming. I have also read research that suggest that this warming period is a natural flow of earth or the sun effect or even what the earths temperatures should be considering we are coming out of a mini ice age.

Can you prove that there is no validity in these other theories? Now if you want to become more believable the science should get out of the game of being funded by foundations and governments that think the only solution is for a world wide carbon tax (of coarse controlled by them or the UN).

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test

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http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/04/23/11144098-gaia-scientist-james-lovelock-i-was-alarmist-about-climate-change

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…since you said no one had posted a link to scientist changing their mind.

Liar.

And grow up.

Or don’t.

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But the deniers are people who just have the dark-age mentality that should have no place in the society today.

Your opinion, mine is that people who depend on group think, rather than their own are often gullible. Why are more scientist believers than deniers, well follow the money. It is hard to get a government grant to disprove a government approved myth.

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I guess the top execs at Chevron, BP, Mobil, Shell are liberals seeing that their respective companies all say it is real and they are spending huge amounts of money regarding solutions……

How about Richard Muller who was once funded by global deniers (Koch Bros) who now says the real bs is the deniers and it is real….

The list is countless but it isn’t really occurring… Just asked those who thought Romney was going to win… Yes the CONNED and DUPED

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“You incompetent neocons are a work of art.”

Jam vet is a loser plain and simple.

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Kyle,

Why do you care what these left wing losers think of you? These folks have no life or a job so their only lot in life is to troll on blogs.

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Rafe

Can you show were all scientists worldwide who work for both private and public entities receive grants just because they believe in global warming?

Do scientists who are skeptical ever get any grants? Can you show that?

I know that doesn’t fit the talking points you have been fed, but you need more than hyperbole and rhetoric

You know this to be true, but you can’t help it… Its ok little buddy… It is ok

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It’s hilarious that left wingers om this blog actually think they know anything about science.

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Timothy Ball, a former climatology professor at the University of Winnipeg in Canada, told Britain’s Daily Telegraph that he has been the target of five death threats since openly questioning the man-causes-global-warming doctrine.

“Western governments have pumped billions of dollars into careers and institutes and they feel threatened,” said the professor.

“I can tolerate being called a skeptic because all scientists should be skeptics, but then they started calling us deniers, with all the connotations of the Holocaust. That is an obscenity. It has got really nasty and personal.”

“calling us deniers, with all the connotations of the Holocaust”

Wonder who this sounds like on this blog? MarkV must be a climatologist receiving some of this large grant money to keep the unproven science going.

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“Governments are trying to achieve unanimity by stifling any scientist who disagrees [with global warming],” said Nigel Calder, a former editor of New Scientist. “Einstein could not have got funding under the present system.”

The global warming camp often wags its collective finger at dissenting scientists, demonizing them as allies of big energy conglomerates. But skeptics such as James Spann, a meteorologist in Alabama, claim they have been unfairly criticized and, in truth, the only the people cashing in are those who peddle the global warming orthodoxy.

“Billions of dollars of grant money is flowing into the pockets of those on the man-made global warming bandwagon … Nothing wrong with making money at all. But when money becomes the motivation for a scientific conclusion, then we have a problem. For many, global warming is a big cash grab.”

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Even some long-time environmentalists bemoan their peers’ addiction to the almighty dollar. David Crowe, founder and former president of the Alberta Greens political party in Canada, said he has stopped funding environmental organizations whose focus is climate change.

“There is a lot of evidence that the activity often called science, and the scientists who practice this activity (as opposed to those few who have a monk-like dedication to the scientific method), are not trustworthy. Peer review is a bankrupt process . . . It is lousy at detecting fraud, but very good at suppressing innovative thought.

“Financial conflicts of interest are frequent and rarely disclosed. Scientists often fall into the trap of focusing on their next grant rather than what important questions need to be asked (including questioning their own assumptions and biases).”

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Do you understand the very first thing about their track records and the scientific work that they have been involved with, for a LONG time?

Yeah, most of it was faked.

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“You and your ilk argue that the overwhelming number of professional scientists are wrong, because what they say is inconvenient to your political views. I can just as well ask you: Do you know if Einstein’s theory of relativity is correct? Do you believe what scientists say about other planets? You have not been there. Do you believe that sun rays cause skin cancer? How do you know that?”

The problem I see with many liberal’s “scientific” positions are that they are not really all that “scientific”. Not much of what is now purported or theorized to be true by scientists has been fairly and constantly validated using the scientific method. Validation is the key. And that can only happen when variables or factors are isolated in such a way that they can be no doubt as to a causal relationship. And yet, despite this very real limitation on what can really be “known” scientifically, people have tended to make a god of science (a phenomenon called scientism) whereby almost all “scientific” claims are put on the same footing (as if throwing on a white lab coat suddenly makes someone “truthful” in their claims). If a scientific claim cannot be unequivocally validated by obtaining the exact same result, through testing or observation, it simply cannot be “known” to be true. Social psychology is simply not on the same footing as chemistry. It probably never will be.

As to how widely a scientific belief may be held and even parroted as fact, despite not really being proven as described above, one only has to look at Darwin’s theory of evolution. His theory really hangs on the occurrence of what is called “speciation”. But that is the very thing that remains unproven – even after a century and a half. And yet, many, many people believe it to be not just true but factual. Why is that? Good question. But that is a topic for another day.

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shove it – jamvet is trying to get this blog shut down so that he can go over to kookman’s blog and thump his chest. You’re helping him out.

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Btw, I’m over on book mans blog making fun of him.

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shove – Kyle doesn’t tolerate personal attacks or name calling. Other than that, ridicule away.

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Good work, A.

I guess you don’t want anyone moving in on your job, huh?

LOL…

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Jam, what sucks worse? Knowing I’m not getting banned or me slamming you as a liar?

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“Which perfectly demonstrates the magnitude of modern Republican ignorance.”

Jam likes to lump people into categories. Nazis were good at doing that. Guess jam is a Nazi.

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