About the hold-up in the Sandy relief bill/pork-fest
Liberals’ new favorite Republican is Chris Christie, the New Jersey governor who this week slammed House Republicans for delaying action on a bill with aid for those affected by Hurricane Sandy. (They’ll be back to hating him the next time he goes on an anti-union rant or some such.) As I’ve said before, the real problem lies with those who lard up such bills with extra spending because they know those pet projects have a better chance of passing when attached to such an urgent measure.
Apparently that can be clear even to a politician in the storm-ravaged area, as long as that politician is not a moderate Republican running for re-election in a blue state. From Politicker.com:
Mayor Michael Bloomberg, who previously declined to slam House Speaker John Boehner over Congress’ stalled Hurricane Sandy aid, took his argument to the next level this morning and suggested federal lawmakers are partially to blame for the delay in the vote on the package because they insert “things that are totally extraneous” into bills such as this. Although Mr. Bloomberg didn’t specify the extraneous problem items, the legislation has been criticized by Republicans like Rep. Paul Ryan for being “packed with funding for unrelated items, such as commercial fisheries in American Samoa and roof repair of museums in Washington, D.C.”
“There’s this ‘Christmas Tree effect’ where legislators put in their favorite bills and tack them onto something. The [Obama] administration does that, that’s why you have an omnibus bill — to force everybody to vote for things that would never stand up in the light of day if they were individual,” Mr. Bloomberg said on his weekly radio show with John Gambling. “I’m sympathetic. Yelling and screaming at [Mr. Boehner] is just not my style. It may be effective, it may not be. Everybody’s got to make their own decisions. I think the legislative leaders who criticize and those in the Legislature should stop and think, they do exactly the same thing in terms of ladling on things that are totally extraneous but it’s the only way they get them through.”
Exactly. Those who help wreck the legislative process shouldn’t complain when they find the legislative process is a wreck.
– By Kyle Wingfield
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Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
January 5th, 2013
10:55 am
We thought we were just letting a friend crash at the house for a few days; we ended up with a family of hillbillies who moved in forever, sleeping nine to a bed and building a meth lab on the front lawn.
Matt Taibbi’s latest on the financial bailouts is out:
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/secret-and-lies-of-the-bailout-20130104
Aesop's Fables and other Lib Economic Theories
January 5th, 2013
10:56 am
The next time you hear Big Daddy discuss the issues, it’ll be the first time you hear Big Daddy discuss the issues.
JamVet
January 5th, 2013
11:00 am
Apparently, that did not get any attention..
To those who are willfully ignorant and stuck in neutral.
Up until a very few years ago, almost NO cons AT ALL were even willing to admit that the mountain (get it?) of evidence regarding anthropogenic climate change was even there and compelling. Look at Aesop, tibs and Lil BB – they are still in total denial. Ask them! The best that they have by way of “explanation” is volcanoes, sunspots and wobbles in he earth’s orbit. And those are all pathetic “reasons”, even by ninth grade standards.
To wit, your original silly post was explained clearly and discounted in a National Geographic article seven years ago! And from 2007 – Jerry Falwell Warns Christians: Global Warming is a Satanic “Myth”
The empirically challenged and scientifically ignorant Republicans stand completely alone in the world on this matter. NOT ONE credible scientific organization on the planet discounts the theory. NOT ONE.
JUST the GOP.
But my role is not to persuade you cons. Your political motivation to remain scientifically illiterate and loathe all things academic is MUCH too great to even try.
I just pity you in the upcoming years as you FINALLY put your collective tails between your legs and acknowledge that Darwin was right, cigarettes do kill people and mankind is poisoning the planet and helping temperatures go up dramatically…
Big Daddy
January 5th, 2013
11:01 am
The first time that Aesop isn’t crying and whining on the blog, will be the first time that Aesop isn’t crying and whining on the blog
Just saying
Big Daddy
January 5th, 2013
11:03 am
Aesop
And if you have been banned or suspended, just say so, no need to shoot the messenger…
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
January 5th, 2013
11:11 am
And if you have been banned or suspended, just say so, no need to shoot the messenger…
Multiple times, multiple handles.
Even bragged that he would run Jay off the blogs like he did Luckovich.
Jay’s still around and he is merely another one of those that can’t post there.
mountain man
January 5th, 2013
11:13 am
“mankind is poisoning the planet and helping temperatures go up dramatically…”
I remember in the sixties when it was easily proveable that mankind was “poisoning the planet” when you could not swim in the Great Lakes because of pollution, when rivers caught on fire, and when you could not see Los Angeles due to the smog. Those are easy to see. Call me when there is clear evidence that the average temperature of the earth has “gone up dramatically”.
td
January 5th, 2013
11:14 am
Now back to some political issues of the day. Looks like there is a little crack in the armor of the lib coalition:
“GetEQUAL strongly opposes the potential nomination of Chuck Hagel to become the next Secretary of Defense. Hagel has, time and time again, taken every opportunity to lambast and denigrate lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) Americans, and the Cabinet is no place for this kind of disrespect,” writes the chair GetEQUAL’s board Tanya Domi.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/lgbt-group-takes-issue-hagel-nomination-urges-obama-abandon_693719.html
mountain man
January 5th, 2013
11:14 am
Call me also when New York City (or Miami) is two feet below mean sea level.
yuzeyurbrane
January 5th, 2013
11:23 am
td from yesterday–yes, I was aware that the House finally passed a bill for $9 billion of the $60 billion in Sandy relief that has been pending. That is about 15% of the total. Boehner has said he hopes to bring up a vote on the balance on January 15. We’ll see. By delaying it to a new Congress, it will have to be reintroduced, etc. and many many commentators are skeptical about the Jan. 15 date. In the meantime, many Americans (both Republicans and Democrats) are continuing to struggle amidst the ruins of their homes.
MarkV
January 5th, 2013
11:27 am
mountain man @ 10:39 am
Mountain man,
Let me be clear, you don’t know if global climate change is real or not, but you repeat the usual attacks on climatologists who tell us that it is. “That is when temperatures didn’t go up they started calling it global climate change.” No, they did not. For one thing, global temperatures are going up, and there has been no name change. Global warming and climate change are two related, but different things – an effect, and the consequence of that effect. No responsible climatologist attributes any specific weather effect to global warming. Keep in mind the word “global.”
Your house or a major city may not be under water in ten years, but there are places that already have gone under water.
Science is developing, and what may have been considered a long term problem, can become a question of a tipping point.
Chinese and Indians spew out greenhouse gases because of their developing economies. Is that a
reason for the developed countries to do the same? Chinese also do more than we do about renewable energy technologies.
It is not telling “that some of these “ecologically-minded” persons also oppose nuclear power, which creates energy WITHOUT creating any greenhouse gases” the way you present it. It is not the only thing nuclear power is doing or not doing – have you heard of nuclear waste? (And for the record, I do not oppose all nuclear power.)
Aesop's Fables and other Lib Economic Theories
January 5th, 2013
11:39 am
And the liberals confirm what I’m saying about them at 11:29. Angry, mindless and unable to discuss the issues. All they can do is hate. And jack names.
Big Daddy
January 5th, 2013
11:51 am
Name jackers
You are being attention starved idiots
Be brave enough to post under you own blog name
JamVet
January 5th, 2013
11:54 am
Call me when there is clear evidence that the average temperature of the earth has “gone up dramatically”.
Nope.
Because it already exists in droves yet you STILL refuse to see any of it.
Just like evolution. Because your political motivation to do so is too powerful.
But it’s all good. Really it is. You Republicans stand utterly alone in your ongoing war against scientific knowledge.
But alas for you, the rest of humanity does not care that much…
Big Daddy
January 5th, 2013
11:56 am
Aesop
Yes the name jackers should be banned.
But seeing that you have been banned elsewhere, suspended and called out like a kid here, you might want to look in the mirror when saying “angry and mindless”.
That broad brush paints you as well
mountain man
January 5th, 2013
11:57 am
“Your house or a major city may not be under water in ten years, but there are places that already have gone under water. ”
Name one, specifically. I have not heard in any change in mean sea level at Miami, for example. All oceans are connected so the mean sea level is the same all over the world, excepting changes in gravitational pull.
mountain man
January 5th, 2013
12:01 pm
“there are places that already have gone under water. ”
Yes, New Orleans for example is six feet below mean sea level. But that is because it is built on a river delta that is slowly sinking and not because MSL has been raised.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
January 5th, 2013
12:01 pm
And jack names.
If it’s who I think it is, he’s one of yours.
mountain man
January 5th, 2013
12:03 pm
“The mean sea level trend is 2.39 millimeters/year with a 95% confidence
interval of +/- 0.43 mm/yr based on monthly mean sea level data from
1931 to 1981 which is equivalent to a change of 0.78 feet in 100 years.”
This from NOAA.gov. So cities that are built one foot above MSL will be under water in about 125 years (given constant rate of rise). Or the city could go the New Orleans route and build a dike system to keep the water back.
catlady
January 5th, 2013
12:08 pm
Finn: I had a major belly laugh when the solidly, stolidly Rs in Northwest Georgia screamed about “those people in New Orleans that built below sea level” yet lined up THE NEXT DAY demanding federal help when their homes, built beside rivers and creeks, flooded a couple of years ago in places like Acworth. By Gawd! They had suffered losses! They demanded reparations for buying homes on rivers and creeks! Like, they couldn’t see a flood coming sometime in the future?
Aesop's Fables and other Lib Economic Theories
January 5th, 2013
12:09 pm
Obviously the liberals are trying to shut down the Wingfield blog, again.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
January 5th, 2013
12:13 pm
Obviously the liberals are trying to shut down the Wingfield blog, again.
CommieAJC is a liberal?
Who Dat?
td
January 5th, 2013
12:16 pm
yuzeyurbrane
January 5th, 2013
11:23 am
td from yesterday–yes, I was aware that the House finally passed a bill for $9 billion of the $60 billion in Sandy relief that has been pending. That is about 15% of the total. Boehner has said he hopes to bring up a vote on the balance on January 15. We’ll see. By delaying it to a new Congress, it will have to be reintroduced, etc. and many many commentators are skeptical about the Jan. 15 date. In the meantime, many Americans (both Republicans and Democrats) are continuing to struggle amidst the ruins of their homes.
Another false argument my friend. No one in these areas have been turned down for government loans and all emergency aid has not been hampered one bit so far. It takes months for these loans to be processed and all the money FEMA had has not even been spent yet.
JamVet
January 5th, 2013
12:16 pm
mountain man, are you familiar with the old adage, “Can’t see the forest from the trees.”?
How about, “There is none so blind as those who will not see.”?
Call me crazy, but I will listen to credentialed, recognized scientific experts, some with decades of relevant experience and studies on these matters, rather than wholly unqualified Republican bloggers and pundits…
MarkV
January 5th, 2013
12:18 pm
mountain man @11:57 am
“Name one, specifically.”
Kiribati, Fiji, and parts of many other low-lying islands, in Maldives, Seychelles, and other places.
td
January 5th, 2013
12:22 pm
Kyle,
Please do not close the blog down for one childish blogger that things it is his duty to hi jack names and post ugly stuff. I think you should take people like this and post their ip address, email address and original screen name.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
January 5th, 2013
12:27 pm
Name one, specifically.
A simple google search would yield results such as this:
http://www.globalislands.net/news/newsdeskitem.php?newstype=Special&newsid=4660
The idea is to pay attention to the “canaries in the coal mine.”
Dusty
January 5th, 2013
12:30 pm
What is going on here? More name jackers all twisting the words of conservative bloggers? That 12:05 is NOT @@.
I believe Tiberius and Aesop have been “jacked”.
Yep, someone is deliberately trying to undermine Kyle’s blog.
( My first comment on this did not appear.on my monitor.) .
mountain man
January 5th, 2013
12:32 pm
“Kiribati, Fiji, and parts of many other low-lying islands, in Maldives, Seychelles, and other places.”
And what is the MSL rise in those locations and why there and not in Miami? Or is it that the islands are sinking?
At one time all the “expert” geologists were theorizing a “land bridge” from Africa to South America as a way to explain the same fossils found only in those areas, because “as everyone knows, continents are fixed and do not move”. First they theorized a massive land bridge, then as no evidence could support the sinking os such, they theorized a narrow land bridge. Of course, now, with improved theories, we know there was never a land bridge, the continents were actually joined when those fossils were laid down and then continental drift (plate tectonics) moved the continents apart.
At one time the “experts” knew the earth was flat. Until evidence proved them wrong. We know that over geologic time CO2 levels have been WAY higher than today. We know that sea levels have been higher and have been lower, we just can’t tell the exact cause.
When the evidence comes in of a GLOBAL rise of sea level of 1 foot, then I will accept the global climate change THEORY. Until then don’t try to wreck our economy by proposing a ruinous “carbon tax”.
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
January 5th, 2013
12:32 pm
Big Daddy: Be brave enough to post under you own blog name
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Be brave enough to pick one name and stick with it.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
January 5th, 2013
12:34 pm
Yep, someone is deliberately trying to undermine Kyle’s blog.
Don’t take it personally, the same individual is next door at Jay’s trying to be provocative as well
Lil' Barry Bailout - Vote American
January 5th, 2013
12:34 pm
The publicly-educated believe sea levels can rise around far-off islands but not in coastal areas of the U.S.
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
January 5th, 2013
12:36 pm
Pardon me, found yet another device at my house that needed a screen name update!
Joe
January 5th, 2013
12:36 pm
In response to BW, the House can’t easily strip the pork from a bill when the Senate submits laws at the 11th hour. It’s great time to dissolve these institutions and start fresh with new blood, as there are too many career crooks in government. They should also be prosecuted for breaking their own laws.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
January 5th, 2013
12:37 pm
Be brave enough to pick one name and stick with it.
Sez the sock-puppet of another.
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
January 5th, 2013
12:42 pm
I’d love to see Kamchak back up her statement.
Didn’t think so.
td
January 5th, 2013
12:43 pm
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
January 5th, 2013
12:34 pm
Yep, someone is deliberately trying to undermine Kyle’s blog.
Don’t take it personally, the same individual is next door at Jay’s trying to be provocative as well
Well hopefully Kyle and Jay will ban the IP address. I wish they would change the rules to publish the IP address, email address and screen name of all name jackers.
Rafe Hollister preparing for an Obamanist America
January 5th, 2013
12:44 pm
In the meantime, many Americans (both Republicans and Democrats) are continuing to struggle amidst the ruins of their homes.
Yuzey, they will have the same problem for months after Congress acts, due to the inefficiency of government.
I know Obama told those folks that he would answer their calls in 48 hours and he was going to cut the “red tape”, but as usual with him it was all bluster. Those pictures of him hugging those poor people was so touching and helped with his reelection, but they all got form letters, when they called for help with the red tape.
Bait and switch, it is Barry’s niche.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
January 5th, 2013
12:46 pm
Didn’t think so.
You don’t remember the bet with Sooth that was also acknowledged by your other self?
I do, cause I was there in real time when the bet was made, and when you asked about again as one of your other selves.
Stick with referring to the Zapruder film, it’s the only thing you do well.
mountain man
January 5th, 2013
12:46 pm
Since I couldn’t find the Maldives on the NOAA site, I chose Wake Island as the closest to the Maldives. It shows:
The mean sea level trend is 1.91 millimeters/year with a 95% confidence
interval of +/- 0.59 mm/yr based on monthly mean sea level data from
1950 to 2006 which is equivalent to a change of 0.63 feet in 100 years.
Do the Maldives only have an elevation of one inch???
Towncrier
January 5th, 2013
12:47 pm
“When the evidence comes in of a GLOBAL rise of sea level of 1 foot, then I will accept the global climate change THEORY. Until then don’t try to wreck our economy by proposing a ruinous “carbon tax”.”
MM, I think most reasonable people are willing to concede that mankind might be at least contributing to global warming. But, since scientists are unable to isolate the presumed causative factors from each other, it is impossible to know with certainty what all is causing it. For that reason, reasonable people may agree to restrictions that do not hurt the economy significantly but no more until there is more conclusive evidence. That is where I stand, anyway, as a conservative.
Dusty
January 5th, 2013
12:47 pm
Mark V & Kam
I believe the earth is changing and always has with or without emissions.
If we could post “canaries” all over the world, perhaps we could get a more definite approach. But our resources are limited in “saving the world”.
We world citizens have bloody insurgents and a total lack of management in some places. Inhumanities abound even as we fight against them..
Priorities have to be established as to what we can do. I find the nebulous climate and weather control not on my first list of what to do next. The call of the caged canary bird is weak while greater needs are pressing.
Aesop's Fables and other Lib Economic Theories
January 5th, 2013
12:47 pm
td – Kamchak is lying. There is no such thing going on at kookman’s blog. Notice how Kamchak seems to be here just for the opportunity to attack Conservative bloggers? I’m not going to accuse it of name jacking but if the shoe fits….
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
January 5th, 2013
12:48 pm
Apparently, it was the northeastern blue-staters plan to rely on the federal government to come bail them out after any big storm.
Losers.
Kamchak ~ Thug from the Steppes
January 5th, 2013
12:50 pm
Well hopefully Kyle and Jay will ban the IP address.
Jay has banned this individual at least six times that I have witnessed, and Kyle just banned this individual just a couple of weeks ago and scrubbed the thread clean of all it’s posts.
The only remedy that I see is to convert the blogs to the same register and sign in that the rest of the AJC site uses.
Rafe Hollister preparing for an Obamanist America
January 5th, 2013
12:52 pm
Name Jackers are so numerous, I’m just wondering if they do not use public computers from Libraries or use someone’s computer from work, that they know doesn’t blog. Seems when that IP address gets banned they just jump to another.
Losers seem to find a way, like many of the dead beats that spend so much time and effort getting on the “system” as they call it, instead of finding ways to support themselves and their families. Living in a rural area, there seems no stigma to being on the “system”, just a way of life.
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
January 5th, 2013
12:52 pm
Kamchak: You don’t remember the bet with Sooth that was also acknowledged by your other self?
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I do remember a bet with that nut job, and that I won it. Don’t remember the details though…seems it had something to do with details of tax rates or tax burdens or some such. In any case, my posts in that regard were all done under the one and only name I’ve ever used here (or there)–Lil’ Barry Bailout.
But you’d remember it better than I, wouldn’t you, since you’re such a creep that you keep little dossiers on folks. I wouldn’t doubt you can go and cut ‘n paste it from your records.
Towncrier
January 5th, 2013
12:52 pm
“What is going on here? More name jackers all twisting the words of conservative bloggers? That 12:05 is NOT @@. I believe Tiberius and Aesop have been “jacked”. Yep, someone is deliberately trying to undermine Kyle’s blog.”
You may be right. That post is a deliberate violation of Kyle’s rules (Jay doesn’t really have many – an indefinite and undefined “line” that should not be crossed and a rule about using “sock puppets” to converse or congratulate yourself). If you are right, then it is likely some liberal who, like many liberals, will stop to playing “dirty” in order to get their way.
mountain man
January 5th, 2013
12:52 pm
Also from the NOAA site:
“The actual amount of sea level change at any one region and location will vary greatly in response to regional and local vertical land movement”
Local vertical land movement – another way of saying the rise or sinking of the land itself, something that no one (yet) has said was a consequence of rising CO2 levels in the atmosphere.
getalife
January 5th, 2013
12:56 pm
Well, it lasted one night.
twinkie is back over at Jay’s so I invited him over here with his kind..