Ira Stoll notices a timely little nugget in the New York Times’ story about the sale of Current TV, co-founded by former Vice President Al Gore, to Al Jazeera:
Al Jazeera did not disclose the purchase price, but people with direct knowledge of the deal pegged it at around $500 million, indicating a $100 million payout for Mr. Gore, who owned 20 percent of Current. Mr. Gore and his partners were eager to complete the deal by Dec. 31, lest it be subject to higher tax rates that took effect on Jan. 1, according to several people who insisted on anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly. But the deal was not signed until Wednesday. (emphasis added)
Hmmm. Does this mean Gore is not one of the “well-to-do Americans, patriotic Americans, who,” according to President Obama in a campaign speech back in August, “… are willing to do the right thing, willing to do their part to make this country strong” by paying higher taxes? One of those people who has “made enough money”?
In fact, amid all the stories about companies paying dividends early to help investors avoid higher taxes (such as Costco, which like Current TV was co-founded by a confirmed Democrat) or doing the same with bonuses (such as Goldman Sachs, whose executives famously supported Obama heavily in 2008 before largely abandoning him last year), can anyone find a story about companies or individuals actively taking steps to ensure they do pay higher taxes?
Who are these well-to-do, patriotic people trying to do as Obama wishes? And don’t give me a link to op-eds Warren Buffett has written about the need for wealthy people to pay more taxes. Not when his company has been fighting the IRS about its tax bills — presumably not in an attempt to pay more than the feds are seeking — and recently bought back $1.2 billion worth of its shares to keep a single unnamed investor from having to pay higher tax rates.
Who are these patriotic Americans? If their cause is so good, why haven’t we heard about any of them acting on it rather than just grandstanding about it?
– By Kyle Wingfield
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Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
January 3rd, 2013
12:07 pm
Because (as usual) their poutrage and rules only extend to others, not themselves, Kyle.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
January 3rd, 2013
12:09 pm
They are doing what is legal. You have a problem with that? For 2013 the laws change and everyone will work within that new structure.
The point is, we got the structure changed.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
January 3rd, 2013
12:13 pm
Poutrage is what we will see from Cons when their leaders try to use the debt ceiling as a bargaining chip and the business leaders have to step in and put the beat down on them in public.
“You GOP children…” (smack…smack…smack)
Aesop's Fables and other Lib Economic Theories
January 3rd, 2013
12:14 pm
I think you know your answer, Kyle.
What the democrats wish for us is not what they wish for themselves.
Edward
January 3rd, 2013
12:15 pm
More whining from Kyle and his handlers.
Rafe Hollister preparing for an Obamanist America
January 3rd, 2013
12:17 pm
Hypocrite, thee name is Democrat. If Romney had made this decision it would have had them foaming at the mouth, but Gore is just following the law. When Bush did not pay for his Tax Cuts, the Dems howled about they were only for the Rich and he did not pay for them, putting them on the credit card. Obama has now passed his own Tax Cuts for the Wealthy and put them on the credit card. Not one word from the Dems.
I know I criticized Bush for his spendthrift ways and lack of fiscal discipline, and I know other conservatives did as well, but you never hear a Dem leave the plantation and speak the truth about Barry. The closest JDW can get to criticism of Obama is to call him average. JDW had to really grade on the curve to arrive at that!
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
January 3rd, 2013
12:17 pm
What the democrats wish for us is not what they wish for themselves.
So, when taxes come due in 2013/2014, Democrats are exempt? Do you think you could possibly make a lucid argument on this blog for once?
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
January 3rd, 2013
12:21 pm
I know I criticized Bush for his spendthrift ways and lack of fiscal discipline
yeah, right…LOL
Rafe Hollister preparing for an Obamanist America
January 3rd, 2013
12:23 pm
Finn, I believe it was just yesterday, when you were defending Obama’s embrace of the tax cuts, you said the only problem with them (revision for you I’m sure) were they were not paid for.
Obama’s new Tax Cuts for the Wealthy are not paid for either, just more generational theft. What say you?
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
January 3rd, 2013
12:24 pm
Will Boehner tire of the annual smackdown he recieves from Obama and relinquish his “Weeper of the House” role or will he stay put. Personally, I think he kinda likes the pain.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
January 3rd, 2013
12:26 pm
What new tax cuts for the wealthy, Rafe?
Rafe Hollister preparing for an Obamanist America
January 3rd, 2013
12:28 pm
Finn, just because you are an Barry Believer and sycophant and never criticize him doesn’t mean that others are more ideologically driven than party/President driven. I oppose every GOP that supports wasteful spending. I totally wrote off Richard Shelby, when he was one of the few Dems that supported the Obama Porkulus Bill in 2009, just because Alabama received a payoff. He had before that presented himself as a small gov, low tax, fiscal conservative. He is just a big blowhard, out to get reelected at the expense of the country, he might as well be a Democrat.
carlosgvv
January 3rd, 2013
12:32 pm
Obama was critizing Republicans for stubbornly refusing to raise tax rates on their corporate sponsors.
Kyle, I think you know this.
Pleas stop being disingenuous.
Rafe Hollister preparing for an Obamanist America
January 3rd, 2013
12:33 pm
Finn, can’t explain your hypocrisy, huh? The Taxpayer Relief act of 2013, that Kyle wrote about yesterday tax cuts.
JDW
January 3rd, 2013
12:35 pm
@Kyle…man you must have over imbibed during the vacation to actually try to make this case with a straight face…we are not talking about individuals here…these are all corporations or partnerships whose Boards have a FIDUCIARY RESPONSIBILITY to act in such a way as to maximize cash for their constituents.
As any lawyer would tell them they would be sued and lose if a SINGLE stakeholder chose to proceed with an action. Surely you are not suggesting that EVERY Costco or Current TV shareholder is a Democrat…are you?
Georgia
January 3rd, 2013
12:35 pm
Don’t take advantage if the tax code or the terrorists win.
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
January 3rd, 2013
12:40 pm
But Warren Buffet said investment decisions weren’t affected by tax rates.
I guess he was in Political Warren mode when he said that.
Gore: Un-American liberal fascist.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
January 3rd, 2013
12:40 pm
“[Obama] needs to announce that he will exercise the powers enumerated in Article Four of the Fourteenth Amendment and raise the debt ceiling executively if the Congress won’t do so.”
ww.salon.com/2013/01/03/give_obama_a_break_on_the_fiscal_cliff/
Exactamundo. And face the legal challenges and probable attempt at impeachment by the Cons. Both will end in O’s favor.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
January 3rd, 2013
12:42 pm
But Warren Buffet said investment decisions weren’t affected by tax rates
You folks can’t understand what Buffet was saying here?
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
January 3rd, 2013
12:42 pm
“Al Gore: Another guy who’s not ‘patriotic’ by Obama’s standard”
Well, given that President Incompetent’s standards are all for sale and extremely low, this is kind of a given.
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
January 3rd, 2013
12:44 pm
carlosgvv: Obama was critizing Republicans for stubbornly refusing to raise tax rates on their corporate sponsors.
——-
Note that corporate tax rates were not touched by this fiscal cliff deal. Just small business.
Obozo’s corporate sponsors win again.
td
January 3rd, 2013
12:44 pm
It appears that Glen Beck wanted to buy this channel but no Al Gore had to sell it to the radical Muslims so Beck was turned down.
Filter
January 3rd, 2013
12:45 pm
I have never been a liberal. Never. I have always been center left and have never made any attempt to disguise that fact. That being said, I stand constantly amazed these days at how many people on the right claim to have been critical of GWB for his economic policy. I know I was critical of it at the time and I was called everything but a child of God by every person remotely to the right of me for about 5-6 years. I never EVER heard anyone I know, and almost everyone I know is rank and file right wing, criticize GWB at the time. It seemed everything he did was right on, rational and for the good of the country etc. and by my dissent I was a pariah.
Now that things didn’t work out so well all these guys like Rafe want to stand up and say “I saw through it all and was critical then.” Now I am not calling Rafe out particularly as I do not know him, but it seems an awful lot like what happened with the original Woodstock: 500,000 attended……..500,000,000 say they did.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
January 3rd, 2013
12:46 pm
“these are all corporations or partnerships whose Boards have a FIDUCIARY RESPONSIBILITY to act in such a way as to maximize cash for their constituents.”
Corporations are people, my friend . . . .
Just as they were when you were complaining about them doing the same thing just last year.
And let’s be clear here. NOTHING gets approved at Berkshire without the approval of Buffett. Nothing. And Al Gore owned 20% of CurrentTV – not an insignificant sum.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
January 3rd, 2013
12:48 pm
radical muslims, td? Al Jazeera is a news channel. It’s not a person. Last I heard, only humans can have religious convictions.
Anyway, it would be better off in the hands of radical muslims than blabbering idiots like Glen Beck.
iggy
January 3rd, 2013
12:49 pm
Al Goron…ugh…
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
January 3rd, 2013
12:51 pm
“Al Jazeera is a news channel.”
Yeah, and Jay Carney is just a press secretary.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
January 3rd, 2013
12:51 pm
I guess Univision is a radical Hispanic?
Instead of a Hispanic language news channel?
Aesop's Fables and other Lib Economic Theories
January 3rd, 2013
12:52 pm
I think the larger point of the story is that al jazeera and current are perfect for each other. This is truly a match made in paradise! Now they can go Forward! together, using women, gays and minorities as fodder for their political/ religious causes. al gore would love all of us to go back to the Stone Age and al jazeera is already there! Plus, he already watches it inside of his massive Tennessee Kompound where energy use is blessed upon him by his various minions and stooges.
Let’s all party like it’s 1399!
Kyle Wingfield
January 3rd, 2013
12:53 pm
Finn @ 12:09: But if they were so keen on changing the structure, why did they act under the old “bad” structure instead of the new “patriotic” one?
Because when they talk about their support for higher taxes, they’re full of it. That’s why. All their actions run counter to their words.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
January 3rd, 2013
12:53 pm
If it sounds Muslim it must be terrorist, fundamentalist, evil, and radical, right?
If you can speak arabic, you are all of the above, right?
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
January 3rd, 2013
12:54 pm
Time Warner dropped Current on the news so the deal may not happen.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
January 3rd, 2013
12:58 pm
Ignoring the propagandist history of Al Jazeera is easy for people who bought into the narrative that Mitt Romney was a murderer and felon.
Such simple-mindedness is how we got President Incompetent twice.
Kyle Wingfield
January 3rd, 2013
12:58 pm
JDW @ 12:35: Costco had a FIDUCIARY RESPONSIBILITY to borrow billions of dollars against future earnings to pay the dividends from those future earnings in the present? BH had a FIDUCIARY RESPONSIBILITY to go against its long-standing practice of not doing share buybacks to buy back $1.2B worth from one guy? Al Gore — note the story says he was pushing for it as an individual — had a … well, you get the idea.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
January 3rd, 2013
12:58 pm
This is like voting that Paypal institute a fee structure on Ebay sellers in order to limit or curb abuse by schemers and con artists but timing your most recent “for sale” items to end before the new rates go into effect.
Duh
Pizzaman
January 3rd, 2013
12:59 pm
I guess it’s OK for Republicans to “use” the law and tax code all day long but it’s not OK for the Democrats. BTW:Al Jazeera is one of the few, if not only, pro American voices in the Muslim world.
Aesop's Fables and other Lib Economic Theories
January 3rd, 2013
1:01 pm
Finn – I’m thinking that your inability to see the radical extremism of al jazeera just might be an indictment of you, more than a defense of them.
Kyle Wingfield
January 3rd, 2013
1:02 pm
Finn @ 12:40: The debt ceiling will be a secondary issue compared to the sequester cuts and continuing budget resolution, both of which are due to be decided around the same time.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
January 3rd, 2013
1:02 pm
Mitt Romney was a murderer and felon
LOL, whoever said any of that? This sounds like dreamed up excuses for why Romney lost. Now if you had said “bully”, or “draft dodger” we would say, yes…
Murderer? LOL. IS this how you folks explain the loss to your kids? “Liberals sold the gullible on Romney being a MURDERER and, and, and a FELON!”
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
January 3rd, 2013
1:03 pm
It’s funny that there is one job Romney coveted above ALL ELSE but was not willing to show his tax reports in order to get it.
And there was nothing bad in there? LOL
Kyle Wingfield
January 3rd, 2013
1:05 pm
Pizzaman @ 12:59: Oh, of course it’s perfectly legal for those people to do what they did. Hypocritical, but legal. What I want to know is: Who are these patriots Obama mentioned who are so willing to act on their convictions?
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
January 3rd, 2013
1:06 pm
Pizzaman, it’s OK for both Republicans and Democrats to use the tax laws as written.
It’s NOT OK to complain about the same use by Republicans (and make it a campaign talking point) when Democrats are more than willing to use them as well.
I’m sure you now see the difference.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
January 3rd, 2013
1:07 pm
“LOL, whoever said any of that?”
The campaign of the guy you voted for, Finn.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
January 3rd, 2013
1:08 pm
Folks, PEOPLE flew the planes into the WTC, not Islam. They weren’t mad at the US for being primarily Christian or because their religion TOLD them to fly those planes into those buildings.
They were people just mad at the US who HAPPENED to be from predominantly Muslim countries.
Ya’ll want to fight the enemy but you don’t even know who the enemy is! LOL
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
January 3rd, 2013
1:10 pm
I guess we could say Adam in Sandy Hook was a christian terrorist/ mass murderer because he is from the US which is primarily christian and, in fact, Adam was known to be a christian himself.
We should’t ban guns, we should hate/ban/go to war with Christians!
Aesop's Fables and other Lib Economic Theories
January 3rd, 2013
1:12 pm
al jazeera propagandizes on behalf of terrorism, this shouldn’t be too hard to understand, well, I guess it shouldn’t be.
Time Warner was able to figure it out.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
January 3rd, 2013
1:13 pm
Sequester cuts? LOL. We got what we wanted. What are these sequester cuts of which you speak?
Oh,those? Hehehe. We were just kidding about those…..and ya’ll fell for them hard.
Rafe Hollister preparing for an Obamanist America
January 3rd, 2013
1:14 pm
Kyle, Obama was a hypocrite on Patriotism, long before Al Gore. Remember he said Bush was unpatriotic and irresponsible for running up those debts and deficits. Pot (head) calling the kettle black, hah!!
Filter, I am a fiscal conservative and do not care who is wasting the money confiscated from me, I am opposed to their political survival. I voted against Dubyah twice in the primaries, and criticized him from the get go on spending and vehemently opposed Medicare part D. We must read and run in different circles, because there were many on the right that criticized him for his spending and also vehemently opposed Med Part D.
@@
January 3rd, 2013
1:15 pm
Dems are the “do as we say, not as we do crowd”. Since the GOP isn’t demanding higher taxes, the shoe doesn’t fit their foot.
If the left wants to substitute “the family values” claim, they could….but taxpayers don’t pay the price for a politician’s sexual indiscretions.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
January 3rd, 2013
1:15 pm
“Folks, PEOPLE flew the planes into the WTC, not Islam.”
And yet, when it comes to gun use, you don’t ever get around to blaming the people, do you, Finn?
Your inconsistency of beliefs is simply astounding.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
January 3rd, 2013
1:16 pm
Yeah, I suppose tens of millions of people voted for obama solely on the talk that Romney was a murderer and a felon.
That Black Guy
January 3rd, 2013
1:16 pm
Filter
January 3rd, 2013
12:45 pm
_________________
Are you saying that if *YOU* don’t see something, it didn’t happen?
Thulsa Doom
January 3rd, 2013
1:16 pm
I think Kyle forgot the Democrat mantra- Do as I say not as I do. Gore exemplifies it perfectly.
Kyle Wingfield
January 3rd, 2013
1:16 pm
What was it someone was saying about corporate masters? Check out this account by Tim Carney about how $76B in special-interest tax breaks made it into the fiscal cliff bill.
Rafe Hollister preparing for an Obamanist America
January 3rd, 2013
1:17 pm
Finn, still ignoring his hypocrisy on Tax Cuts for the Wealthy being put on the nations credit card.
Kyle Wingfield
January 3rd, 2013
1:18 pm
Hint: It wasn’t the GOP — or even Congress — that insisted on those tax breaks.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
January 3rd, 2013
1:19 pm
Tiberius, I have no problem with guns or gun ownership or the 2nd amendment. I do have a problem with high capacity magazines and assault weapons which are meant not to defend but to put down as many bodies (deer??) as possible in the shortest amount of time.
Why don’t you gun nuts back making bazookas legal? Is there a line somewhere that you just won’t cross? How about anti-personnel land mines? Hand grenades?
Don't Tread
January 3rd, 2013
1:19 pm
Liberals have a habit of wanting to make things mandatory for everyone, when they won’t do those things voluntarily themselves. Then they hang labels on it to sell it, such as “patriotic” or “taxpayer relief”, which are actually the antonyms to whatever it is they’re doing.
Aesop's Fables and other Lib Economic Theories
January 3rd, 2013
1:20 pm
The statements of “I didn’t inhale,” “that’s not sex” and “I didn’t pay attention to the sermons” were spoken with a certain type of person in mind and wow, we’ve got one right here on this blog.
Whatever the cult tells you, eh?
Steve
January 3rd, 2013
1:21 pm
The former vice president confirmed the sale Wednesday, saying in a statement that Al-Jazeera shared Current TV’s mission “to give voice to those who are not typically heard; to speak truth to power; to provide independent and diverse points of view; and to tell the stories that no one else is telling.”
Al-Jazeera, owned by the government of Qatar, plans to gradually transform Current into a new channel called Al-Jazeera America by adding five to 10 new U.S. bureaus beyond the five it has now and hiring more journalists.
So, Kyle, do we consider Qatar’s government run by Islamic terrorists or are you just being bigotted here?
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
January 3rd, 2013
1:21 pm
Rafe, I still don’t know what tax cuts for the wealthy you are talking about. Can someone else explain what Rafe is talking about?
JDW
January 3rd, 2013
1:21 pm
@Tiberius…”Corporations are people, my friend . . . .Just as they were when you were complaining about them doing the same thing just last year.
And let’s be clear here. NOTHING gets approved at Berkshire without the approval of Buffett. Nothing. And Al Gore owned 20% of CurrentTV – not an insignificant sum.”
Do you have a coherent point or just blather as usual?
Corporations are legal entities and you will not find a single statement from me suggesting that they shirk their Fiduciary Responsibilities. As for Buffett and Gore…they are part of the Boards that are required to fulfill those responsibilities.
Redcoat
January 3rd, 2013
1:22 pm
Finn……..then why does Obama keep killing people who HAPPEN to be from predominantly Muslim countries? We never hear the significance of each kill, only they are “bad” guys.
That Black Guy
January 3rd, 2013
1:24 pm
Finn McCool (The System isn’t Broken; It’s Fixed)
January 3rd, 2013
1:08 pm
Folks, PEOPLE flew the planes into the WTC, not Islam. They weren’t mad at the US for being primarily Christian or because their religion TOLD them to fly those planes into those buildings.
They were people just mad at the US who HAPPENED to be from predominantly Muslim countries.
Ya’ll want to fight the enemy but you don’t even know who the enemy is! LOL
__________________________________________________
Someone PLEASE remember this post next time the gun debate comes up.
Guns don’t kill people, PEOPLE do.
Aesop's Fables and other Lib Economic Theories
January 3rd, 2013
1:24 pm
Finn – What ever it takes to protect one’s property and life against criminals who don’t pay much attention to the silly laws you liberals come up with.
I’m sure that most of them won’t be turning in their 30 round clips, either.
Filter
January 3rd, 2013
1:25 pm
Actually, yes, that is exactly what I am saying. Exactly. On Point. Right on. Nice extrapolation.
I was sharing my experience TBG and my observations. I know what happened to me. I know some on the right criticized GWB just as there were actually 500,000 at Woodstock. But there was not widespread dissent from the right. Most on the right were willing to give the guy a blank check and it blew up later. Only AFTER the explosion and the realization that they would look foolish if shown to have supported the policies that led to the explosion did the tune change. That’s how I recall it.
How about this. I can’t prove a negative, no one can. But you can prove a positive point so if there was this widespread criticism of GWB then show me. Show me the groundswell (which means more than a couple of op-eds that represent the 500,000)
That Black Guy
January 3rd, 2013
1:26 pm
Finn McCool (The System isn’t Broken; It’s Fixed)
January 3rd, 2013
1:10 pm
I guess we could say Adam in Sandy Hook was a christian terrorist/ mass murderer because he is from the US which is primarily christian and, in fact, Adam was known to be a christian himself. – Do you have a link with Adam identifying himself as a Christian?
We should’t ban guns, we should hate/ban/go to war with Christians! – Go ahead and start the campaign.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
January 3rd, 2013
1:27 pm
Nice dance, JDW.
You’re like a prima ballerina when caught in your hypocrisy.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
January 3rd, 2013
1:27 pm
gradually transform Current into a new channel called Al-Jazeera America
They are just upset there will be another channel like Univision that they have to surf over. I wonder if people are aware most new tv’s have the ability to program the remotes to “skip” certain channels?
Kyle Wingfield
January 3rd, 2013
1:29 pm
Steve @ 1:21: When did I say anything about terrorism or even Islam? My point is about taxes.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
January 3rd, 2013
1:30 pm
then why does Obama keep killing people who HAPPEN to be from predominantly Muslim countries
If Canada had a bunch of terrorists running about, I’m sure he would send a few drones northward.
Thulsa Doom
January 3rd, 2013
1:31 pm
“Folks, PEOPLE flew the planes into the WTC, not Islam. They weren’t mad at the US for being primarily Christian or because their religion TOLD them to fly those planes into those buildings.
They were people just mad at the US who HAPPENED to be from predominantly Muslim countries.”- Finn McCool
Sounds like more chatter from the blame America first crowd.
Steve
January 3rd, 2013
1:31 pm
I thought this was a free country and we could express different opinions. Al Jazeera has the same right to exist as some right wingbat Christian network. And if they buy one of our companies, wouldn’t we be bigotted if we said no? I don’t blame Gore at all for this, and I see no hypocisy, as liberals promote free speech and free enterprise too.
JamVet
January 3rd, 2013
1:32 pm
Kyle, corporate masters? You RINO!
How dare you even imply that Uncle Sam (you and me) giving away billions of dollars every year to the richest organizations on the planet is NOT a great thing!!
As Mitt the Messiah noted, they are people!! And they desperately NEED those handouts!
Keep this up and they’re gonna kick you out of their “big” tent. LOL!
Steve
January 3rd, 2013
1:33 pm
So, wouldn’t it be a stupid business move to wait and pay higher taxes, Kyle? Seriously – use your brain here. Business is business and the shareholders are on both sides of the political aisle.
JDW
January 3rd, 2013
1:33 pm
@Kyle…”Costco had a FIDUCIARY RESPONSIBILITY to borrow billions of dollars against future earnings to pay the dividends from those future earnings in the present? BH had a FIDUCIARY RESPONSIBILITY to go against its long-standing practice of not doing share buybacks to buy back $1.2B worth from one guy? Al Gore — note the story says he was pushing for it as an individual — had a … well, you get the idea.”
The Costco Board and EVERY OTHER BOARD has the FIDUCIARY RESPONSIBILITY to act in the best interests of their shareholders. Had they done something that was not commonplace maybe you could make a point…they did not.
As for the BH shareholder…you have no idea who it was or what they were doing with the money. For all you know it all went to pay a debt or feed the poor. You are just thrashing about trying to find some sort of reasonable excuse to opposed tax rates that could actually reduce deficits.
Kyle Wingfield
January 3rd, 2013
1:33 pm
Steve @ 1:31: Respectfully, you have completely missed the point of the “patriotic” remark. Try reading the post.
Aesop's Fables and other Lib Economic Theories
January 3rd, 2013
1:34 pm
Pardon me for getting off track for a moment -
Money saving, compact fluorescent light bulbs emit high levels of ultra violet radiation, according to a new study. Research at Long Island’s Stony Brook found that the bulbs emit rays so strong that they can actually burn skin and skin cells.
Exposure to the bulbs could lead to premature aging and skin cancer, according to doctors.
Another great idea brought to you by liberalism.
That Black Guy
January 3rd, 2013
1:35 pm
Steve
January 3rd, 2013
1:31 pm
I thought this was a free country and we could express different opinions. Al Jazeera has the same right to exist as some right wingbat Christian network. And if they buy one of our companies, wouldn’t we be bigotted if we said no? I don’t blame Gore at all for this, and I see no hypocisy, as liberals promote free speech and free enterprise too.
___________________________
Kyle’s piece was about TAXES.
TAXES
TAXES
JDW
January 3rd, 2013
1:36 pm
@Tiberius…”Nice dance, JDW…You’re like a prima ballerina when caught in your hypocrisy.”
I see…blather as usual…if you have something to back up the blather out with it…if not…HUSH.
joe
January 3rd, 2013
1:37 pm
As a Tennessean, I can say that Algore is the epitomy of a hypocrite. Anyone who loses their own home state in a presidential election has gotta suck…and boy does he. Remember that pathetic “kiss” with his wife on stage at the Dem convention? Looked like my grandparents getting busy…hilarious!
That Black Guy
January 3rd, 2013
1:37 pm
The Costco Board and EVERY OTHER BOARD has the FIDUCIARY RESPONSIBILITY to act in the best interests of their shareholders
Of course you felt the same way about Bain and Romney.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
January 3rd, 2013
1:39 pm
Money-saving ideas and products are a liberal idea?
Ok, makes sense coming from the party that wanted to wage two wars simultaneously but didn’t want to collect taxes to pay for them.
Kyle Wingfield
January 3rd, 2013
1:41 pm
JDW @ 1:33: Are you seriously saying a company has a fiduciary responsibility — excuse me, FIDUCIARY RESPONSIBILITY — to borrow money to pay dividends on profits that haven’t been made yet? In that case, investors and the SEC should get to suing any company that hasn’t yet paid out 2013’s earnings! Or 2014’s! Or 2050’s! After all, taxes could go up in those years, too! It’s their RESPONSIBILITY!!!!!!!
Does Goldman Sachs also have a FIDUCIARY RESPONSIBILITY to pay bonuses early? If so, why did it stop at 10 executives? Who will sue GS for not paying out everyone’s bonus early? Who will sue the companies that didn’t pay early bonuses? How about pensions — should they go ahead and pay those out, too? After all, by your standard, something doesn’t have to be earned or realized yet for a company to have a FIDUCIARY RESPONSIBILITY to pay it out.
My point actually has nothing to do with whether the fiscal cliff deal was good or will reduce deficits. It has to do with the infuriating hypocrisy of those who lecture the rest of us about needing to pay more taxes while going far, far, far out of their way to keep from paying higher taxes themselves. That, and the absolute, willful ignorance of those who cheer them on without acknowledging what’s really happening.
joe
January 3rd, 2013
1:42 pm
“We should’t ban guns, we should hate/ban/go to war with Christians!”
Tell me, that black guy, how does someone go about “banning” Christians?
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
January 3rd, 2013
1:43 pm
That’s a false analogy, That Black Guy. Bain and other equity firms don’t destroy companies to benefit the shareholders. I doubt the term “fiduciary” has ever been uttered by a corporate raider unless it is part of the takeover sales pitch.
Rafe Hollister preparing for an Obamanist America
January 3rd, 2013
1:44 pm
Filter, check out Dubyah’s approval ratings. To a logical conservative mind, poor approval ratings indicate that folks (not just the liberals who are about 22% of the country) did not like him or his policies. If they didn’t like him it follows that they criticized him.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
January 3rd, 2013
1:45 pm
“Al Jazeera has the same right to exist as some right wingbat Christian network.”
No one has said otherwise, Steve.
“And if they buy one of our companies, wouldn’t we be bigotted if we said no?”
Yes, yet no one is making that case, Steve. Try to stay on point here, will ya?
“I don’t blame Gore at all for this, and I see no hypocisy, as liberals promote free speech and free enterprise too.”
They also attack Republicans for doing what Gore just did, Steve. Your selective amnesia is noted.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
January 3rd, 2013
1:47 pm
I guess if you can’t bash the libs for doing something illegal, bash them for doing something perfectly legal while questioning their morals is the next best thing.
Just Saying..
January 3rd, 2013
1:48 pm
Gee, this is a weighty post…
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
January 3rd, 2013
1:48 pm
“Money saving, compact fluorescent light bulbs emit high levels of ultra violet radiation, according to a new study. Research at Long Island’s Stony Brook found that the bulbs emit rays so strong that they can actually burn skin and skin cells.”
No we can start taxing them under Obamacare like tanning beds, Aesop!
Think the Dems had this in their sights all along?
Towncrier
January 3rd, 2013
1:49 pm
“Hmmm. Does this mean Gore is not one of the “well-to-do Americans, patriotic Americans, who,” according to President Obama in a campaign speech back in August, “… are willing to do the right thing, willing to do their part to make this country strong” by paying higher taxes? One of those people who has “made enough money”?
I don’t view Obama as any different from almost any politician, in that I believe he 1) lies 2) is hypocritical and 3) is mainly self-interested.
What I don’t get is many of us defending people like him or GWB or whoever as if they were truly great people. It is much better to advocate for positions and beliefs than defend politicians or use them as a reason to finger-point, in my opinion.
Rafe Hollister preparing for an Obamanist America
January 3rd, 2013
1:49 pm
Finn, you know what I am talking about with the hypocrisy over the tax cuts being put on the backs of the next generation. You just can’t explain how it is ok for your mentor, but not ok for Dubyah. Surrender, you can’t explain it, so admit, you are a lapdog hypocrite Obama minion.
That Black Guy
January 3rd, 2013
1:49 pm
Filter – “But you can prove a positive point so if there was this widespread criticism of GWB then show me. Show me the groundswell (which means more than a couple of op-eds that represent the 500,000)”
That was not what you said in your first post – “I have never been a liberal. Never. I have always been center left and have never made any attempt to disguise that fact. That being said, I stand constantly amazed these days at how many people on the right claim to have been critical of GWB for his economic policy. I know I was critical of it at the time and I was called everything but a child of God by every person remotely to the right of me for about 5-6 years. I never EVER heard anyone I know, and almost everyone I know is rank and file right wing, criticize GWB at the time. It seemed everything he did was right on, rational and for the good of the country etc. and by my dissent I was a pariah.” – nothing in there about “widespread” or Groundswell”.
Now keeping in line with your first post, the only way to prove you wrong would be for me to link quotes from people *YOU* know. Not possible.
Just showing you that there WERE in fact people on the right who were critical of Bush’s spending.
http://www.google.com/search?q=conservative+criticize+bush+spending&rls=com.microsoft:en-us&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&startIndex=&startPage=1&safe=active
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
January 3rd, 2013
1:50 pm
I guess if you can’t bash conservatives for doing something illegal, bash them for doing something perfectly legal while questioning their morals is the next best thing.
Fixed your typo, Finn. No thanks needed.
And thanks for summing up the 2012 Presidential campaign while you’re at it.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
January 3rd, 2013
1:52 pm
those who lecture the rest of us about needing to pay more taxes while going far, far, far out of their way to keep from paying higher taxes themselves.
far, far, far out of their way? Gore wanting to sell in 2012 is far, far, far out of his way?
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
January 3rd, 2013
1:53 pm
Ignoring the propagandist history of Al Jazeera
How does that make them different from Fox News ?
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
January 3rd, 2013
1:54 pm
And thanks for summing up the 2012 Presidential campaign while you’re at it.
I can do a better job than that, Tib:
A beat down. Utter beat down bordering on public flogging. That’s how I would describe election 2012.
Mwuahahahahahahahaha
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
January 3rd, 2013
1:54 pm
How does that make them different from Fox News ?
LOL, good point!
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
January 3rd, 2013
1:55 pm
And yet, when it comes to gun use, you don’t ever get around to blaming the people, do you, Finn?
Your inconsistency of beliefs is simply astounding.
If you dont know the difference between a handgun and an airplane.
Well there isn’t much hope.
One is a big metal thing that flies and is extremely hard to get your hands on.
The other can be bought extremely easily.
Big big difference.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
January 3rd, 2013
1:56 pm
“How does that make them different from Fox News ?”
Very much so, if you actually acknowledge that Fox News has opinion and news programs that are quite different in their approach.
But if you cannot face reality, Chessy, you’ll never know the difference.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
January 3rd, 2013
1:57 pm
Just showing you that there WERE in fact people on the right who were critical of Bush’s spending.
Yeah, they talked about it in private while spending all their public time defending every little thing the man did.
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
January 3rd, 2013
1:58 pm
Steve @ 1:21: When did I say anything about terrorism or even Islam? My point is about taxes.
TOTAL BS.
This was all about Al Gore The Democrats and Al Jazeera.
Thats a lot of red meat for the dummies around here and you know they will eat it up.
Period.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
January 3rd, 2013
1:59 pm
If you actually acknowledge that Fox News has opinion and news programs
News programs? Name just one. It’s all opinion and talking heads, 24/7.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
January 3rd, 2013
1:59 pm
“If you dont know the difference between a handgun and an airplane.”
The only thing I have to know about both (and I’ve handled both in my time – have you, Cheesy?) is that if both are not operated by responsible people, others can be killed by them.
It still all revolves around the people – not the weapon.
That Black Guy
January 3rd, 2013
2:00 pm
joe
January 3rd, 2013
1:42 pm
“We should’t ban guns, we should hate/ban/go to war with Christians!”
Tell me, that black guy, how does someone go about “banning” Christians?
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You would have to ask Finn, those were his words, not mine.
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
January 3rd, 2013
2:01 pm
Very much so, if you actually acknowledge that Fox News has opinion and news programs that are quite different in their approach.
I dont acknowledge that.
Because they dont. Its all the same opinion show. Just to lesser degrees.
Anyone with an IQ over 80 can see that as well.
That Black Guy
January 3rd, 2013
2:01 pm
Joe.
Finn McCool (The System isn’t Broken; It’s Fixed)
January 3rd, 2013
1:10 pm
I guess we could say Adam in Sandy Hook was a christian terrorist/ mass murderer because he is from the US which is primarily christian and, in fact, Adam was known to be a christian himself.
We should’t ban guns, we should hate/ban/go to war with Christians!
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
January 3rd, 2013
2:02 pm
the 2012 election will be known henceforth as:
“Humiliating Beat Down 2012″
Rather exhilarating because all the Cons were caught completely by surprise because their news channels/outlets told them to expect the exact opposite.
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
January 3rd, 2013
2:02 pm
The only thing I have to know about both (and I’ve handled both in my time – have you, Cheesy?) is that if both are not operated by responsible people, others can be killed by them.
It still all revolves around the people – not the weapon.
Sigh
If guns made people safe America would be the safest place on the planet.
It isn’t.
Why.
BECAUSE OF ALL THE **** GUNS !!!!
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
January 3rd, 2013
2:04 pm
How do we ban Christians?
Well, we start by burning their leaders at the stake. The followers will self ban after that.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
January 3rd, 2013
2:04 pm
“News programs? Name just one.”
The Fox Report w/Shepard Smith.
Studio B w/Shepard Smith
America Live w/Meghan Kelly.
America’s News HQ.
Happening Now.
America’s Newsroom.
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
January 3rd, 2013
2:05 pm
The Fox Report w/Shepard Smith.
Studio B w/Shepard Smith
America Live w/Meghan Kelly.
America’s News HQ.
Happening Now.
America’s Newsroom.
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
January 3rd, 2013
2:06 pm
The sole purpose of an airplane isn’t to end life.
And the gun nuts will say the sole purpose of a gun is to shoot bottles and cans out back of the trailer.
That Black Guy
January 3rd, 2013
2:06 pm
Finn McCool (The System isn’t Broken; It’s Fixed)
January 3rd, 2013
1:52 pm
those who lecture the rest of us about needing to pay more taxes while going far, far, far out of their way to keep from paying higher taxes themselves.
far, far, far out of their way? Gore wanting to sell in 2012 is far, far, far out of his way?
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because that was the *ONLY* example that Kyle gave.
From the piece kyle wrote…
“In fact, amid all the stories about companies paying dividends early to help investors avoid higher taxes (such as Costco, which like Current TV was co-founded by a confirmed Democrat) or doing the same with bonuses (such as Goldman Sachs, whose executives famously supported Obama heavily in 2008 before largely abandoning him last year), can anyone find a story about companies or individuals actively taking steps to ensure they do pay higher taxes?
Who are these well-to-do, patriotic people trying to do as Obama wishes? And don’t give me a link to op-eds Warren Buffett has written about the need for wealthy people to pay more taxes. Not when his company has been fighting the IRS about its tax bills — presumably not in an attempt to pay more than the feds are seeking — and recently bought back $1.2 billion worth of its shares to keep a single unnamed investor from having to pay higher tax rates.”
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
January 3rd, 2013
2:08 pm
Tib, you watch Regis and Kathie Lee? Is that “news”? When one of more talking heads are discussing current events, it isn’t the same thing as “news.”
People need to be shown some old Walter Cronkite tapes so they will know what “news” is.
Thulsa Doom
January 3rd, 2013
2:08 pm
“Big big difference.”
Spent a lot of time figuring that out did ya?
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
January 3rd, 2013
2:08 pm
“If guns made people safe America would be the safest place on the planet.
It isn’t.”
For a country with as much wealth and remaining individual liberty (even if it’s being decreased every day), we are safe. Unfortunately, we also coddle the criminals who prey on our population and allow them to continue their unlawful (as opposed to liberal lawful) attempts to steal what isn’t theirs.
JamVet
January 3rd, 2013
2:09 pm
A beat down. Utter beat down bordering on public flogging. That’s how I would describe election 2012.
Yep. And watching the worst of the worst of them get publicly flogged was the best part. (The pathetic Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan getting stomped was a foregone conclusion.)
Here’s to more Uncle Sam hating, tea flavored, fake conservative success in the next few elections!
That Black Guy
January 3rd, 2013
2:10 pm
Finn McCool (The System isn’t Broken; It’s Fixed)
January 3rd, 2013
1:57 pm
Just showing you that there WERE in fact people on the right who were critical of Bush’s spending.
Yeah, they talked about it in private while spending all their public time defending every little thing the man did.
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Didn’t bother to click on the link showing all those *private* conversations in newspapers, magazines and TV.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
January 3rd, 2013
2:10 pm
“Tib, you watch Regis and Kathie Lee?”
No.
“Is that “news”?”
No.
This ends the portion of our program called “Short answers to stupid questions”.
Just Saying..
January 3rd, 2013
2:13 pm
“…lapdog hypocrite Obama minion.”
Having adjective withdrawals, Rafe?
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
January 3rd, 2013
2:14 pm
Although, Finn, I have heard that the show is now called “Live with Kelly and Michael”.
Given that Kathie Lee left years ago and Regis recently retired, I figured you know that since you’re such an expert on that type of show.
JDW
January 3rd, 2013
2:15 pm
@Kyle…”My point actually has nothing to do with whether the fiscal cliff deal was good or will reduce deficits. It has to do with the infuriating hypocrisy of those who lecture the rest of us about needing to pay more taxes while going far, far, far out of their way to keep from paying higher taxes themselves. That, and the absolute, willful ignorance of those who cheer them on without acknowledging what’s really happening.”
My point is that you are attempting to hold individuals accountable for actions by organizations with which they are associated but not wholly responsible and with no regard WHATSOEVER for the myriad of issues involved or even knowing if the individuals in question supported those actions or not. You are inferring with no basis.
That Black Guy
January 3rd, 2013
2:18 pm
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
January 3rd, 2013
1:58 pm
Steve @ 1:21: When did I say anything about terrorism or even Islam? My point is about taxes.
TOTAL BS.
This was all about Al Gore The Democrats and Al Jazeera.
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Cheesy, be honest, did you actually READ the piece Kyle wrote?
Al Jazeera in mentioned ONCE.
The piece was about those who champion people paying their “fair share” while going out of their way to avoid paying their “fair share” themselves.
Ok, we both know Mr. Buffett has said over and over that the rich should pay their “fair share”, pay what they owe, pay more. Then he (Berkshire, his company) fights the IRS for YEARS to avoid paying what they owe.
What do you think about Mr. Buffett’s (Berkshire’s) actions?
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
January 3rd, 2013
2:24 pm
Cheesy, be honest, did you actually READ the piece Kyle wrote?
Al Jazeera in mentioned ONCE.
The piece was about those who champion people paying their “fair share” while going out of their way to avoid paying their “fair share” themselves.
No it wasn’t. It was about informing his base here that Al Gore was doing business with Muslims.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
January 3rd, 2013
2:25 pm
“You are inferring with no basis.”
Too funny.
Is painting with a broad brush suddenly passe’?
Given that’s all you do, we can only hope . . .
curious
January 3rd, 2013
2:25 pm
Nothing like sources that won’t reveal their identity.
I suspect it was the same crack investigators that Donald Trump had find the true story of Obama’s birth certificate.
Towncrier
January 3rd, 2013
2:26 pm
“A beat down. Utter beat down bordering on public flogging. That’s how I would describe election 2012.”
You might, rather, be thinking of the 2010 election. I would contend a “beat down” results in a substantial change in Congress or an overwhelming presidential victory by popular vote (3.85% is way down near the bottom of the list: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_elections_by_popular_vote_margin). But if it makes you feel better, then call it what you will.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
January 3rd, 2013
2:26 pm
“It was about informing his base here that Al Gore was doing business with Muslims.”
Not surprised that’s all you took away from it, Cheesy.
What’s it like to be so one-dimensional?
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
January 3rd, 2013
2:27 pm
For a country with as much wealth and remaining individual liberty (even if it’s being decreased every day), we are safe.
Tell that to the kids and parents in Newton.
Or the next one.
Or the next one.
Or the next one.
Or the next one.
Or the next one.
The sad part is a lot more people will have to die before this country gets serious about gun control.
As far as im concerned there is a lot of blood on the NRA and the people who support them hands.
One day it will change. And the liberals will win just like we always do ( See gay marriage for recent example ) It will just take more people dying to get there.
Towncrier
January 3rd, 2013
2:27 pm
“What do you think about Mr. Buffett’s (Berkshire’s) actions?”
“All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others”.
Real Athens
January 3rd, 2013
2:29 pm
“Hmmm. Does this mean Gore is not one of the “well-to-do Americans, patriotic Americans, who,” according to President Obama in a campaign speech back in August, “… are willing to do the right thing, willing to do their part to make this country strong” by paying higher taxes? One of those people who has “made enough money”?
No it means you reported as fact, and published an opinion based on heresay or “several people who insisted on anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly.”
You should know better. I guess you were snoozing in Don Davis’ JRL 301. Such reporting didn’t work out so well for Frank Graham Jr. and Furman Bisher did it? Butts and Bryant prevailed.
Let us know when your sources can go on record.
That Black Guy
January 3rd, 2013
2:30 pm
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
January 3rd, 2013
2:24 pm
Cheesy, be honest, did you actually READ the piece Kyle wrote?
Al Jazeera in mentioned ONCE.
The piece was about those who champion people paying their “fair share” while going out of their way to avoid paying their “fair share” themselves.
No it wasn’t. It was about informing his base here that Al Gore was doing business with Muslims.
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Cheesy, what do you think about the other 200 words that Kyle wrote dealing with tax avoidance.
Or are you still seeing the 2 words he wrote that told you who it was sold to. Also note, “Muslims” is NO WHERE in the article.
What do you think about Costco, Berkshire, Sach’s actions to avoid paying the taxes? Can you address that?
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
January 3rd, 2013
2:30 pm
Not surprised that’s all you took away from it, Cheesy.
Just telling the truth. If you think for one second this sale would have been mentioned if it didn’t include Al Gore and Al Jazeera.
Well I dont know what to say if you’re really that gullible.
What’s it like to be so one-dimensional?
Your a Fox News viewer right. So why dont you tell me.
Towncrier
January 3rd, 2013
2:31 pm
“I guess we could say Adam in Sandy Hook was a christian terrorist/ mass murderer because he is from the US which is primarily christian and, in fact, Adam was known to be a christian himself.”
Because he attended church once in awhile? Because he “asked Jesus into his heart” (whatever that means) once? Because his mother perhaps went to church? Because he was born in America?
I guess you need to define your terms before using them here. I suspect you haven’t the vaguest notion of what a Christian is.
That Black Guy
January 3rd, 2013
2:33 pm
Real Athens, do you have an opinion about the tax avoidance by Buffett (Berkshire), Costco, Sach’s and others. Those have been documented.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
January 3rd, 2013
2:33 pm
“Tell that to the kids and parents in Newton.”
They would have been safe if you didn’t disarm everyone surrounding them, Cheesy.
Their blood is on YOUR hands. And always has been.
That Black Guy
January 3rd, 2013
2:35 pm
Finn, do you have the link with Adam professing that he is a Christian?
Cheesy, can you answer my question?
Towncrier
January 3rd, 2013
2:35 pm
“What do you think about Costco, Berkshire, Sach’s actions to avoid paying the taxes? Can you address that?”
Yes. “All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others”.
curious
January 3rd, 2013
2:36 pm
Tiberius – pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
“They would have been safe if you didn’t disarm everyone surrounding them, Cheesy.”
As Vinny said in My Cousin Vinny; “Are you sure about that?”
Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten
January 3rd, 2013
2:36 pm
They would have been safe if you didn’t disarm everyone surrounding them, Cheesy.
LOL.
Pure and total BS.
The more guns in a society. The more gun violence in a society.
The answer to gun violence is not more guns.
Eventually that will get through to you guys.
Like I said though more people are going to have to die to get there.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
January 3rd, 2013
2:37 pm
“If you think for one second this sale would have been mentioned if it didn’t include Al Gore and Al Jazeera.”
There are many reasons to mention this sale, Cheesy. Kyle noted one of them not surrounding the Islamic reference and built on that same theme with other non-Islamic tax avoidance schemes being used by the very people who attacked Republicans for using them.
You’re the only one focusing on Al Jazeera.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
January 3rd, 2013
2:39 pm
“Pure and total BS.”
Really, Cheesy?
Tell me how many police stations have been attacked in the past 10 years in this country by gunmen.
Wolves primarily attack sheep.
YOU created the sheep.
That Black Guy
January 3rd, 2013
2:40 pm
All, please take note who refuses to discuss the topic at hand, tax avoidance.
Al Jazeera is NOT the topic.
Also, I bet they will pay the taxes they owe without demanding someone else pay more.
Towncrier
January 3rd, 2013
2:40 pm
“What was it someone was saying about corporate masters? Check out this account by Tim Carney about how $76B in special-interest tax breaks made it into the fiscal cliff bill.”
It is simple, Kyle. Orwell said it best: “All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others”. Hypocrisy is a fact of life. And so is the attempt to hide it.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
January 3rd, 2013
2:41 pm
“Are you sure about that?”
More sure about that than thinking that anyone could have provided a moderate defense while their only weapon available was a stapler, curious.
That Black Guy
January 3rd, 2013
2:41 pm
TC, that question was for Cheesy.
Towncrier
January 3rd, 2013
2:42 pm
“Tell me how many police stations have been attacked in the past 10 years in this country by gunmen.”
Didn’t the Terminator do that? You point is thus invalidated.
Towncrier
January 3rd, 2013
2:43 pm
“TC, that question was for Cheesy.”
I know, my friend. I was giving you what I think is an honest answer (and not the run around). My response was actually aimed at Cheesy.
Towncrier
January 3rd, 2013
2:45 pm
“Finn, do you have the link with Adam professing that he is a Christian?”
Yeah, Finn. Where is your evidence?
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
January 3rd, 2013
2:49 pm
I don’t have any evidence. I just made it up in order to make a point. I have no idea what religion the guy was or if any at all.
Thulsa Doom
January 3rd, 2013
2:55 pm
“No it wasn’t. It was about informing his base here that Al Gore was doing business with Muslims.”
Reading comprehension FAIL on aisle 3.
Thulsa Doom
January 3rd, 2013
2:57 pm
Finn McCool (The System isn’t Broken; It’s Fixed)
January 3rd, 2013
2:49 pm
“I don’t have any evidence. I just made it up…”
That’s when you know you’re dealing with a real liberal.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
January 3rd, 2013
2:58 pm
If I had said he was Jewish or Buddhist, my argument would still be valid.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
January 3rd, 2013
3:00 pm
That’s when you know you’re dealing with a real liberal.
That’s right – the liberals readily admit when they are making things up. Or, perhaps we could say, when liberals spout made-up BS, they realize what they are spouting is made up BS.
Uh Huh.....Patriotic? There's a RIFT in the GOP
January 3rd, 2013
3:03 pm
Pot calling the KETTLE BLACK?
The GOP is FIGHTING as we speak.
Boenher vs his own party.
Is that Patriotic?
JDW
January 3rd, 2013
3:05 pm
@Tiberius…”They would have been safe if you didn’t disarm everyone surrounding them, ”
Yep thats right…the more guns the safer you are. That’s why the US is the safest country in the world…oh wait…oops
southpaw
January 3rd, 2013
3:08 pm
How do we ban Christians?
Well, we start by burning their leaders at the stake. The followers will self ban after that.
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Spanish Inquisitors tried that, Finn. Care to guess how that worked out?
Long before that, a Roman emporer named Nero tried something similar (burning, but not necessarily at the stake). The results were similar to that of the Inquisition. And right around Nero’s time, a fellow named Saul gained notoriety for rounding up Christians and having them executed (although not necessarily by burning). You might have heard what he did later in his life; it was considerably different from his earlier days, and the aforementioned Nero may have had HIM executed.
Try again.
td
January 3rd, 2013
3:10 pm
JDW
January 3rd, 2013
3:05 pm
How about if we just take the guns away from all Obama supporters. This would have to make us safer as a nation.
Class of '98
January 3rd, 2013
3:10 pm
All of the prominent Democrat (and Republican) politicians in D.C. send their children to private schools with lots of heavily armed guards, much more armed than public schools. And I dare speculate that the anti-gun fanatics would be happy to send their children to similarly protected private schools, if they could afford it.
Yet the liberals want to tell us that arming good, responsible people IS NOT a viable means of protection.
Liberals and conservatives may not agree on the solution to gun violence, but at least conservatives are consistent. Liberals as usual, are hypocrites.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
January 3rd, 2013
3:11 pm
I’d say you need to catch up with the rest of the conversation, JDW, but since you’re incapable of doing so, I won’t bother.
Thulsa Doom
January 3rd, 2013
3:14 pm
“That’s right – the liberals readily admit when they are making things up. Or, perhaps we could say, when liberals spout made-up BS, they realize what they are spouting is made up BS.”
Hmmm. A further liberal admission of made up sheet. I’m starting to think all the liberals have Phds in bullshytology.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
January 3rd, 2013
3:18 pm
Try again.
Exactly, that’s the plan….
td
January 3rd, 2013
3:20 pm
Obama gets his tax increase on the rich and it is still not enough. How much will be enough for him? If this does not confirm he is a socialist to you moderates on here I do not know what will.
“President Obama cut a video, distributed by his reelection, to reiterate his belief that the wealthiest Americans still aren’t paying their “fair share” of taxes and to outline a second-term agenda ranging from environmental policy to gun control.
Obama started by celebrating the tax increases — “making our tax code more progressive than it’s been in decades,” he said — that will take place because of the fiscal cliff deal.
“Obviously, there is still more to do when it comes to reducing our debt,” Obama said in the video. “And I’m willing to do more, as long as we do it in a balanced way that doesn’t put all the burden on seniors or students or middle class families, but also asks the wealthiest Americans to contribute and pay their fair share.”
http://washingtonexaminer.com/obama-we-raised-taxes-but-the-rich-still-arent-paying-their-fair-share/article/2517443#.UOXmO6xzwrI
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
January 3rd, 2013
3:20 pm
Again, the fight isn’t about the 2nd amendment or the right to bear arms (or arm bears for that matter).
The fight is to limit access to high capacity clips and assault rifles.
But Cons will argue assault rifles are necessary to fight the armed bears.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
January 3rd, 2013
3:21 pm
If assault rifles are legal, I want land mines, hand grenades, and bazookas legalized too.
Todd
January 3rd, 2013
3:21 pm
George Soros is as patriotic as they come . Just a great American hero . But yes it is hard to really notice much with the patriotic Democrats with the Republicans cannibalizing themselves right now .
getalife
January 3rd, 2013
3:22 pm
Congrats Mr. Gore for selling your start up.
Don’t hate the players, change the game.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
January 3rd, 2013
3:23 pm
What works better than a “Brinks Security” sign in your front yard?
A sign like this:
http://www.sharestar.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/minefield.jpg
getalife
January 3rd, 2013
3:23 pm
BTW cons,
You are doing a heck of a job as extremists.
Stay the course and don’t change a thing.
Boris Badnoff
January 3rd, 2013
3:26 pm
Wait until he finds out they are paying him in Carbon Credits.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
January 3rd, 2013
3:28 pm
What will be funny is when Al Jazeera news gets ranked as more honest than Fox News.
Just Saying..
January 3rd, 2013
3:29 pm
“…infuriating hypocrisy…
This from the fiscally responsible, family values, pro-life (south end of gun) Party of relentless integrity.
You proclaim, voters laugh…
getalife
January 3rd, 2013
3:38 pm
I read aj.
Good stuff on the ME.
getalife
January 3rd, 2013
3:40 pm
Are you cons ready for immigration reform?
Dusty
January 3rd, 2013
3:42 pm
I find this blog has been targeted by liberals directed at its demise. The use of free speech for the detriment of others is appalling. Liberals use it here to ridicule, distort, disgrace, sublimate and prevaricate. Any truth presented is immediately accused of being a misrepresentation or worse, a lie.
Patriotism is laughable to these liberals. They insist: Legal gun laws are made for murderous people. A Christian is to be sneered and ” burned at the stake”. Terrorists are nice people gone wrong even while they kill our ambassadors and other Americans. Al-Jazeera is all for America. Notable Americans such as George W. Bush, John McCain, Romney, and Sarah Palin are pictured as common criminals and hate is spread around like the morning dew.
All this is the liberal “contribution” on this blog. Their obvious goal is to rid this country of Republicans by any means. Blogs give these hate filled people the chance to load it on others. Too bad they give a “bad name’ to all Democrats but they do. They hurt the country while trying to hurt others.
That is the shame.
getalife
January 3rd, 2013
3:44 pm
dusty,
Don’t talk about patriotism.
There is none from you cons under President Obama.
Dusty
January 3rd, 2013
3:44 pm
And then comes getalife……
getalife
January 3rd, 2013
3:45 pm
Telling it like it is like Christie.
Aesop's Fables and other Lib Economic Theories
January 3rd, 2013
3:46 pm
Uh Huh…..Patriotic? There’s a RIFT in the GOP
Wow, imagine that, the Republicans aren’t a bunch of lock step brainwashed gullible stooges like the liberals are.
You got us, man, good job.
President Romney
January 3rd, 2013
3:47 pm
Dusty
You wear your selective outrage so well. You seem to overlook and ignore the crap that come from the right on this very blog, but nothing is new. At least your hypocritical drama queen posts are consistent. And that counts for something.
President Romney
January 3rd, 2013
3:52 pm
Pizzaman, it’s OK for both Republicans and Democrats to use the tax laws as written.
It’s NOT OK to complain about the same use by Republicans (and make it a campaign talking point) when Democrats are more than willing to use them as well.
I’m sure you now see the difference.
________________________________________
Sort of like the stimulus that Republicans cried about yet from Governors (Heck Purdue cried to Obama for more than GA received), Congressman to Senators many who were wailing also had their hand in the cookie jar.
Right?
Guess you don’t see the difference
Aesop's Fables and other Lib Economic Theories
January 3rd, 2013
3:53 pm
Christie is a porker, in more than one way.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
January 3rd, 2013
3:54 pm
oh no, we offended Dusty.
Peadawg
January 3rd, 2013
3:56 pm
Dusty
January 3rd, 2013
3:42 pm
Do you feel the same way about Republicans who go over to Jay’s blog and do exactly what you wrote?
Dusty
January 3rd, 2013
3:56 pm
Christie is the governor of New Jersey and he is fighting for them. Our Congress was fighting for the whole USA and that is their precedence. What’s happening in Washignton is worse that what happened in New Jersey. The foundations of our country are being decimated.
Just Saying..
January 3rd, 2013
3:56 pm
“Their obvious goal is to rid this country of Republicans by any means.”
Really no need, Dusty. Your representatives in Congress are far more efficient.
MarkV
January 3rd, 2013
3:56 pm
Dusty @ 3:42 pm
“Any truth presented is immediately accused of being a misrepresentation or worse, a lie.”
And who decides what is the truth and what is a misrepresentation, or a lie? Why Dusty, of course.
Just Saying..
January 3rd, 2013
4:00 pm
“At least your hypocritical drama queen posts are consistent.”
True that…
getalife
January 3rd, 2013
4:04 pm
Let me be clear, the United States of America is still the most powerful and greatest country on this planet.
I call on you cons to show patriotism and admit this fact.
I will wait.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
January 3rd, 2013
4:07 pm
PR (and I refuse to dignify your moniker by using the terms “President” or Romney” when addressing you), the difference is so obvious that even YOU should be able to see it.
One is hypocritical because of the charges being hurled at Republicans, while the other is making sure that the taxes collected across ALL states are distributed across ALL states.
Dusty
January 3rd, 2013
4:07 pm
FINN,
Yes, you are offensive.
PEADAWG
I don’t contribute to Bookman’s blog. Why don’t you stay there and protect them?
So called PRESIDENT ROMNEY
Better to be a “drama queen’ than a hate filled liberal sycophant railing against the country..
getalife
January 3rd, 2013
4:09 pm
“railing against the country..”
You cons have been doing that for four years.
Lets see some patriotism dusty.
Prove it.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
January 3rd, 2013
4:09 pm
“Let me be clear, the United States of America is still the most powerful and greatest country on this planet.”
Correct.
We’re just on a steeper decline from that position since the election of President Incompetent back in 2008, and his predecessor back in 2000.
td
January 3rd, 2013
4:09 pm
Finn McCool (The System isn’t Broken; It’s Fixed)
January 3rd, 2013
3:20 pm
Again, the fight isn’t about the 2nd amendment or the right to bear arms (or arm bears for that matter).
The fight is to limit access to high capacity clips and assault rifles.
Bogus argument. We all know how the leftest have a long term plan to get rid of all guns.
“Here’s the gun grabbers’ slippery-slope agenda, laid out by Nelson T. Shields, founder of Handgun Control Inc.: “We’re going to have to take this one step at a time, and the first step is necessarily — given the political realities — going to be very modest. … Right now, though, we’d be satisfied not with half a loaf but with a slice. Our ultimate goal — total control of handguns in the United States — is going to take time. … The final problem is to make the possession of all handguns and all handgun ammunition — except for the military, police, licensed security guards, licensed sporting clubs and licensed gun collectors — totally illegal” (The New Yorker, July 1976).”
http://townhall.com/columnists/walterewilliams/2013/01/02/why-the-2nd-amendment-n1476632/page/full/
Peadawg
January 3rd, 2013
4:11 pm
“I don’t contribute to Bookman’s blog.”
Nice dodge.
getalife
January 3rd, 2013
4:11 pm
“We’re just on a steeper decline from that position since the election of President Incompetent back in 2008, and his predecessor back in 2000.”.
That is not patriotism.
That is bs.
Dusty
January 3rd, 2013
4:12 pm
MarkV,
Are you a puppet?
I make my own decisions just like most sensible people. (The clue here is : SENSIBLE..).
Aesop's Fables and other Lib Economic Theories
January 3rd, 2013
4:13 pm
getalife – What happened to China being the greatest? Did your lib leaders tell y’all to be patriotic for the day?
What’s up?
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
January 3rd, 2013
4:13 pm
td, if Obama was going to take your guns he would have done it in the first two years of his Presidency when Dems had control of both houses.
What you are spouting is what the gun manufacturers and retailers want you to be spouting. And you are perfect spokesman for them.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
January 3rd, 2013
4:13 pm
That is REALITY, getalife.
Try it sometime.
getalife
January 3rd, 2013
4:14 pm
“What’s up?”
Waiting on cons to show patriotism.
I will be here a while waiting.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
January 3rd, 2013
4:16 pm
getalife, I will once again remind you that YOU are not the arbiter of who is, or what is, patriotic.
You are not qualified.
getalife
January 3rd, 2013
4:17 pm
Still waiting…..
President Romney
January 3rd, 2013
4:21 pm
Tiberius
Nice semantics game.
“Your surrender is accepted”
“Color me shocked” that the best you would have would be silly semantics
you little girls behave
Pizzaman
January 3rd, 2013
4:22 pm
Kyle, Tiberius @ 1:05 & 1:06,
Of course it’s OK for both sides to call the other hypocrites when they both do the same thing. Kyle as for patriots who live by their convictions there are none left if there ever were any.
It would be nice if politicians acted in the best interest of the Country but………….
The only solution is to vote them out but gerrymandering has made sure that will never happen.
At least we still have all the wackos, weirdo’s and crazies who thing the Feds are going to take your guns, money, retirement, and freedom. Without them there’s be no Vent, Wingfield or Bookman.
Merry, Happy and Joyous Holidays to all,
Pizzaman
Dusty
January 3rd, 2013
4:25 pm
JUST SAYING,
There seems to be a joint effort at demolition in Congress by both political parties. Democrats have decided to be blockheads instead of using their heads. Republicans have forgotten to “hold the fort” for citizens..The result is a whole lot of nothing with all of it to rise again in March.
If you want to congratulate the Democrats in Congress, go for i!! It’s your way of declaring joy over failure, a typical liberal characteristic. .
therefore we get something that helpps
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right
January 3rd, 2013
4:28 pm
I see that PR has nothing as usual to contribute.
JDW
January 3rd, 2013
4:30 pm
@td…”How about if we just take the guns away from all Obama supporters. This would have to make us safer as a nation.”
Sort of a mute point as Democrats seem to already know that in increasing numbers…from FiveThiryEight…you to remember Nate don’t you?
“An American child grows up in a married household in the suburbs. What are the chances that his family keeps a gun in their home?
The probability is considerably higher than residents of New York and other big cities might expect: about 40 percent of married households reported having a gun in their home, according to the exit poll conducted during the 2008 presidential election.
But the odds vary significantly based on the political identity of the child’s parents. If they identify as Democratic voters, the chances are only about one in four, or 25 percent, that they have a gun in their home. But the chances are more than twice that, almost 60 percent, if they are Republicans.”
http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/12/18/in-gun-ownership-statistics-partisan-divide-is-sharp/
As we keep telling you Democrats are smarter they know that the presence of a gun in the home increases the chance that a homicide or suicide in the home will be committed with a firearm and choose to remove the risk.
Hillbilly D
January 3rd, 2013
4:30 pm
Al Gore is just further proof of the old adage,”the acorn don’t fall far from the tree”.
JDW
January 3rd, 2013
4:34 pm
@Tiberius…”I’d say you need to catch up with the rest of the conversation, JDW, but since you’re incapable of doing so, I won’t bother.”
Thats what I thought…as usual you got nothing.
JDW
January 3rd, 2013
4:38 pm
@Dusty…”Liberals use it here to ridicule, distort, disgrace, sublimate and prevaricate.”
O’Dear…
Was there a point in there or are you just ridiculing, distorting, disgracing, sublimating and prevaricating?
Darwin
January 3rd, 2013
4:41 pm
Last time I checked Al Gore wasn’t running for public office. Stop your whining please!
Del
January 3rd, 2013
4:48 pm
It’s indeed amazing to see these left wing posters looking like idiots by ignoring the reality of our looming fiscal mountain. The Republicans need to stare Obama down and if necessary vote him down on raising the debt ceiling without serious entitlement reforms along with serious spending cuts. It’s hard to believe Republicans have what it takes to do so, however, but we shall see.
MarkV
January 3rd, 2013
4:50 pm
Dusty @ 4:12 pm
“I make my own decisions just like most sensible people. (The clue here is : SENSIBLE..).”
I am sure you do. But you have written the following:
“Any truth presented is immediately accused of being a misrepresentation or worse, a lie.”
You did not write “What I believe is the truth is immediately accused ….” You just feel that whatever you make a decision to be the truth must actually be the truth. You appear to believe that you must be right. What does that make you? How does “self-righteous” sound to you?
Dusty
January 3rd, 2013
5:06 pm
JDW,
I see you have not had your dinner yet.
You wanted me to repeat what I have already written? The whole point has been given, OK, I’ll repeat it for you.
Liberals here use freedom of speech to ridicule, distort, disgrace, sublimate and prevaricate.
There. Got it? You do well to follow some other pattern than the usual obsequious liberal litany. . .
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
January 3rd, 2013
5:12 pm
As usual our resident liberal misfit (redundant, I know) JDW has misfired in the logic department (that’s the department he has no knowledge of), and come up with this stupidity:
“As we keep telling you Democrats are smarter they know that the presence of a gun in the home increases the chance that a homicide or suicide in the home will be committed with a firearm and choose to remove the risk.”
Problem is that if you replace the words “gun” and “firearm” with any object; knife, tire iron, bathtub (hat tip to AmVet) or 7-iron, the logic of JDW’s statement remains the same.
Proving once again that it isn’t the weapon, but the person using it improperly that causes the injury or homicide.
But another epic failure as usual, JDW.
President Romney
January 3rd, 2013
5:12 pm
Liberals and Conservatives here use freedom of speech to ridicule, distort, disgrace, sublimate and prevaricate, yet I (Dusty) choose to be hypocritical and just cry about those on the left. I (Dusty) have no problem overlooking crap from the right because it meets my narrative.
_____________________
Fixed that for you Dusty.
Your welcome. Be good and as always keep your selective condemnation and hypocrisy with you at all times, no one doubts you are ever without it.
JDW
January 3rd, 2013
5:12 pm
@Dusty…”Liberals here use freedom of speech to ridicule, distort, disgrace, sublimate and prevaricate.”
I suppose you, Tiberius, Little Barry, td and the rest are always paragons of good taste and virtue.
Spare me the sanctimonious posturing…you want a civil conversation start one.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
January 3rd, 2013
5:17 pm
I have the good taste to not be a lunatic liberal and to avoid them at all costs.
As for virtue, you’ll never know.
President Romney
January 3rd, 2013
5:17 pm
JDW
Based on Dusty’s own criteria, words and actions; she and other so called conservatives on this blog are really HUGE LIBERALS.
Dusty
January 3rd, 2013
5:19 pm
MarkV
There is a difference between being self righteous and self determined.
I say what I believe to be right and have determined to be true.
Puppets, slaves, prisoners and the intellectually deprived cannot make their own decisions.
I do not fit into any of those categories so I make my own choices. Freedom of speech is vital..
Evidently you do not find freedom of thought and personal decisions to be appealing. Who thinks for you?
Hopeful
January 3rd, 2013
5:19 pm
The question is wwjd
Dusty
January 3rd, 2013
5:22 pm
JDW
Yep, civil conversations are very nice. I shall start one by ignoring you from now on.
President Romney
January 3rd, 2013
5:22 pm
“I say what I believe to be right and have determined to be true.”
You must have some very low standards on what it takes for you to determine something to be true based on what you post
Just because you believe something does not make it so
JDW
January 3rd, 2013
5:23 pm
@Tiberius…”Problem is that if you replace the words “gun” and “firearm” with any object; knife, tire iron, bathtub (hat tip to AmVet) or 7-iron, the logic of JDW’s statement remains the same. Proving once again that it isn’t the weapon, but the person using it improperly that causes the injury or homicide.”
Blather…blather…blather…you got no data and no case…here are the facts.
US Homicides by Weapon 200-2008
Guns…86,112
Knives…16,547
Blunt objects…5,782
Everything else…about 20,000
http://sbcoalition.org/2011/04/gun-violence-and-the-census-sobering-statistics/
Proving once again that you can make stuff up but that doesn’t make it true. Fact is more guns = more deaths pure and simple. Knives, tire irons, bathtubs and 7-irons not so much.
President Romney
January 3rd, 2013
5:24 pm
Dusty told you JDW
She likes an echo chamber. Anything that doesn’t meet her narrative is not good and she will cry and whine. (She her earlier posts as proof.)
Dusty
January 3rd, 2013
5:34 pm
NO dear mistaken PR
No one reading this blog mistakes liberals for Republicans. The snarling format is so liberal there is no doubt about their political persuasion. .
JDW
January 3rd, 2013
5:38 pm
@PR…yes she does like an echo chamber after all… she says what shes believe to be right and has determined to be true…anyone that disagrees must be either lying, ridiculing, distorting, disgracing, sublimating and prevaricating.
Does this mean there is now a Dustyville to go with Tiberiusville?
Rafe Hollister preparing for an Obamanist America
January 3rd, 2013
5:38 pm
JDW
“As we keep telling you Democrats are smarter they know that the presence of a gun in the home increases the chance that a homicide or suicide in the home will be committed with a firearm and choose to remove the risk.”
Doesn’t square with the facts JDW. Gun violence is lower in rural areas where guns are more often found in the home. Urban homes have less firearms per household yet there is more gun violence in urban areas. Of course we realize that rural people are much more civilized and church going, but that is not the total answer. Familiarity with firearms and firearm availability can be readily assumed by the criminals in rural areas.
Dusty
January 3rd, 2013
5:39 pm
Dear phony President Romney
Of course I could be wrong when I make decisions. That is true for everybody. Even you!!
But I still like to make my own choices.. Who make yours for you?
JDW
January 3rd, 2013
5:40 pm
@Rafe…you are missing the key point of “in the home”. The urban gun violence you cite typically takes place outside the home.
Mad Max
January 3rd, 2013
5:44 pm
Dr. Dre shelters his income through an Irish holding company. Google has $10B in accounts in Bermuda. Gore made $100mm over the past four years acting as a VC investing in clean tech companies that miraculously received Energy Dept. grants or guaranteed loans shortly after the investment. Most of these companies have yet to return a profit to the American taxpayer, yet Gore was able to cash out. Welcome to the new normal. As the WSJ pointed out today, the fiscal cliif tax rates have achieved Obama’s goal of completely rewinding Reagan’s 1986 bipartisan tax reform that simplified the code. We are officially back in Jimmy Carter territory where Washington constantly raises taxes across the board combined with special interest loopholes and tax credits to reward campaign contributors and lobbyists. The bad news is that with all of this complexity and” fair share” payments, the Federal Government revenue is going to go down. Sheila Bair recently pointed out that the income disparity between the rich and the poor is the widest it has been in 40 years. Based on the amount of tax loopholes and pork coming out of the Obama administration, if you make over $1mm per year and pay ANY Federal income tax, you should immediately fire your accountant. You can buy energy tax credits and pay your “fair” share, albeit at a discount, generating a double digit internal rate of return. And just wait, Obama is just getting started.
Rafe Hollister preparing for an Obamanist America
January 3rd, 2013
5:45 pm
Gun deaths and injuries have dropped sharply in California, even as the number of guns sold in the state has risen, according to new state data.
Dealers sold 600,000 guns in California last year, up from 350,000 in 2002, according to records of sale tallied by the California Attorney General’s office.
During that same period, the number of California hospitalizations due to gun injuries declined from about 4,000 annually to 2,800, a roughly 25 percent drop, according to hospital records collected by the California Department of Public Health.
Firearm-related deaths fell from about 3,200 annually to about 2,800, an 11 percent drop, state health figures show.
http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/california-gun-sales-up-gun-violence-down/
Your statement still is incorrect JDW. No study shows that more guns create more violence inside or outside of the home.
Al Gore
January 3rd, 2013
5:47 pm
When I’m in Atlanta, before I hit The Varsity for some awesome chili dogs, I get a soothing massage over at House of Tokyo massage parlor over off Cheshire Bridge.
The Mamasan treats me like I’m The President !
Rafe Hollister preparing for an Obamanist America
January 3rd, 2013
5:51 pm
Mad Max
It hasn’t gotten any play except on Fox Business and very little there, but Stuart Varney reported the CBO numbers on raising the Cap gains rate to 20% on those who make over $400K, projected that net revenue would go down, as less would invest in things generating a capital gain.
Dusty
January 3rd, 2013
6:02 pm
MadMax
Good post. And like you said, “the Federal government revenue is going to go down” under Obama leadership. Absolutely. I don’t believe he has any concept of debt or its meaning. Nor do his supporters.
They may dance to the piper but payday is in peril and they don’t know it yet..
President Romney
January 3rd, 2013
6:02 pm
Rafe @ 5:51
Is that what happened when Reagan raised the capital gain rate?
Rafe Hollister preparing for an Obamanist America
January 3rd, 2013
6:14 pm
PR
The record is clear, even Obama acknowledged in an interview on 60 minutes that increasing rates usually reduce revenue, he said he didn’t care, he was going to do what was “fair”.
Revenue from Capital Gains boomed when Clinton lowered the rate. No familiar with what happened under Reagan.
Aesop's Fables and other Lib Economic Theories
January 3rd, 2013
6:16 pm
“We have a Republican majority. We need to pass Republican bills out of the House,” Duncan said.
It only took them two years to figure that^^ out.
yeesh.
Aesop's Fables and other Lib Economic Theories
January 3rd, 2013
6:20 pm
Aaahhhhh, we’re fixing to find out how much the libs really love the troops -
You ma’am have overstepped a line that is not your domain. I am a Marine Corps Veteran of 8 years, and I will not have some woman who proclaims the evil of an inanimate object, yet carries one, tell me I may not have one.
I am not your subject. I am the man who keeps you free. I am not your servant. I am the person whom you serve. I am not your peasant. I am the flesh and blood of America.
http://www.guns.com/2013/01/03/marine-writes-letter-to-sen-dianne-feinstein-i-will-not-be-disarmed-video/
Kyle Wingfield
January 3rd, 2013
6:26 pm
All right, everyone. For a while, I plan to turn off the immediate posting of comments each evening and turn it back on each morning. I realize that’s an unpopular inconvenience for many of you — to be frank, it’s pretty much a pain in the neck for me — but I think in the long run these comment threads will prove to be more civil.
So, with that, I hope everyone has a good night.
Kyle Wingfield
January 4th, 2013
11:03 am
Comments are back on, with the publishing of a new post upstairs.
Doug B
January 4th, 2013
3:03 pm
There’s a difference between policy and individual actions. Would it bother you if a pro-NRA politician didn’t own a gun? Of course not. When Gingrich was fighting for “family values” and against gay marriage, did it bother you that he had a gay daughter? Selecting the correct policy for our country doesn’t mean that someone should not make an effort to do what’s best for himself personally within the law. No one, personally, wants to pay more taxes. That doesn’t mean that higher taxes aren’t the best policy.
stands for decibels
January 4th, 2013
6:59 pm
Late to this, but whenever it’s suggested that one side or the other is hypocritical for not unilaterally disarming, I always think that’s a pretty lame argument. Just as I didn’t care if (say) Michelle Bachmann made use of farm subsidies while railing against DC port, I certainly don’t care if a well-out-of-office pol like Al Gore timed a business deal to be more lucrative. Big. Whoop.
stands for decibels
January 4th, 2013
7:00 pm
(DC port? It’s probably pretty nasty. Meant “pork” of course.)