Will wonders never cease: Democrats discover taxes hurt businesses!

How cute: Fifteen Democratic senators who voted for Obamacare back in 2009 are asking Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid to see that the excise tax on medical devices is not implemented for now.

Read their letter here. It ticks all the usual boxes for the kind of anti-tax arguments that Democrats typically reject out of hand:

  • The industry “directly employs over 400,000 people in the United States and is responsible for a total of two million high-skilled manufacturing jobs.”
  • The industry “is also one of the few that enjoys a net trade surplus…”
  • Our economy has a need for “increasing exports, promoting small businesses, and growing high-tech manufacturing jobs for the future…”
  • The slapdash way in which Obamacare was constructed, with major decisions punted to an unaccountable bureaucracy to make (OK, that’s not exactly how the senators put it), has caused “significant uncertainty and confusion for businesses.”
  • Rather than moving forward with another punitive tax on a particular industry, it would be preferable “to develop a long-term solution to help move our economy forward, reduce our debt and reform our tax code…”
  • Not moving forward with this tax “will benefit patients, innovators and boost our country’s economic growth.”

All of which are arguments that would have been helpful for these Democrats to make three years ago when they were rushing to pass Obamacare in the first place. Conservatives made these very same arguments at the time, only to have Democrats ram the law through Congress anyway.

It turns out that some of these senators represent states where the medical-device industry is particularly important. I guess they had to pass the bill to find out what was in it.

– By Kyle Wingfield

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@@

December 11th, 2012
4:04 pm

Dems are slow.

getalife

December 11th, 2012
4:04 pm

I hope it fails to get single payer.

Michael H. Smith

December 11th, 2012
4:19 pm

Like, Duh!

And taxes hurt consumers even more than businsses Kyle, because we can’t pass those costs onto anyone else.
But don’t tell the socialists that because they believe all businesses absorbe taxes just like all non-busness consumers.

Glenn Beck

December 11th, 2012
4:24 pm

So Kyle is it really about the taxes or the influence via lobbying and contributions from the medical device industry and lobby?

Not saying that to be snarky because I believe there are those in the House and Senate from both parties who talk a big game until they check those contributions and potential bad PR that could come forth.

What is said and done on the surface isn’t always what is really going on behind the scenes for either party or indivdual member of Congress?

Centrist

December 11th, 2012
4:24 pm

First of many exemptions now that Democrats start finding out what is scheduled to come on line – they passed the monstrosity without reading it.

Tavorris

December 11th, 2012
4:24 pm

Probably safe to assume those fifteen Dem senators have heard from their medical device manufacturer constituents and are having visions of some serious campaign contribution $ falloff.

Get Real

December 11th, 2012
4:25 pm

What do you expect, there are going to be so many unintended consequences to ObamaCare and the layers of the onion are just now being peeled away. BTW, what is going to replace these extortion dollars to keep ObamaCare supposedly deficit neutral? It is all built on a financial house of cards….

Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten

December 11th, 2012
4:27 pm

Once again total nonsense. No surprise. This guy actually voted for Newt “Moonbase” Gingrich

The House will soon consider legislation to repeal the excise tax on medical devices that was enacted to help pay for health reform. The provision is sound, however, and the industry lobbying campaign aimed at repealing it is based on misinformation and exaggeration.

The medical device industry is not being singled out. The excise tax is one of several new levies on sectors that will gain business due to health reform. The expansion of health coverage will increase the demand for medical devices and could offset the effect of the tax.
The tax will not cause manufacturers to shift production overseas. The tax applies equally to imported and domestically produced devices, and devices produced in the United States for export are tax-exempt.
The tax will have little effect on innovation in the medical device industry. To the contrary, health reform may well spur medical device innovation by promoting more cost-effective ways of delivering care.

getalife

December 11th, 2012
4:30 pm

The funniest part is the gop are voting no on tax cuts and are adding regulations.

I think it is time to throw scorched earth ideology out the window before we end up like the EU in a depression.

Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten

December 11th, 2012
4:33 pm

What do you expect, there are going to be so many unintended consequences to ObamaCare and the layers of the onion are just now being peeled away.

Every other advanced country in the world has universal healthcare.

They all spend far less and get better results.

Coincidence. I doubt it.

In 20 years people in this country will be glad Obamacare is the law of the land.

Us progressives have to pull you knuckle draggers along on issues sometimes. Its always been that way.

Get Real

December 11th, 2012
4:37 pm

With the Democratic spending under Obama we will be like the EU in no time at all. But then again that is what America asked for….how truly sad..

Get Real

December 11th, 2012
4:39 pm

Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten

Blow it out your a$$ progressive, go live in Europe if you like it that much. Keep drinking your LibbiAide

Glenn Beck

December 11th, 2012
4:43 pm

meltdown @ 4:39

:-)

Get Real

December 11th, 2012
4:45 pm

I would not go that far…just had to be said..

Aesop's Fables and other Lib Economic Theories

December 11th, 2012
4:46 pm

Go figure! Another wad of “do as I say not as I do” liberals.

Who duh thunk it?!?!?

Aesop's Fables and other Lib Economic Theories

December 11th, 2012
4:47 pm

If obozocare is sooooo gooood, cheesy, why did Congress exempt itself from it?

Darwin

December 11th, 2012
4:50 pm

Actually your point Kyle is that politicians of both parties pander to their special interests. That’s really the lesson learned here.

Glenn

December 11th, 2012
4:54 pm

Yeah , Thats the same industry that had pushed for a whole wing at Grady for illegals & other uninsureds . Millions & millions of dollars of machines we taxpayers bought and guess what ……..we get to pay for people with no insurance using them .

This industry has mastered burning the candle at each end & is one of the reasons our healthcare is so expensive .

md

December 11th, 2012
5:03 pm

From downstairs, but I just had to share the twisted logic:

“When Reagan took office the debt was 1 trillion.

In 8 years he quadrupled it to 4 Trillion.

Obama wont come close to quadrupling our debt.”

Cheesy, I have to give you the twisted logic play on numbers award for that one……..

md

December 11th, 2012
5:08 pm

Obamacare was never about passing a good bill, it was about getting a bill on the books while the dems had the numbers knowing it would be as difficult to get it off the books as it was getting it on in the first place. Hence using reconciliation to ram the fixes through.

carlosgvv

December 11th, 2012
5:09 pm

Democratic Senators are no different than Republican ones when it comes to getting and staying elected. They don’t give a flying fig about this excise tax, one way or another. But, if it will make their electorate happy to oppose it, then oppose it they will with absolutely straight faces.

Dusty

December 11th, 2012
5:15 pm

I love it when Kyle gets sarcastic. But have patience with the slow learners,Kyle. Democrats can’t help it.

Look at the last four years. They learned nothing.and are still rejoicing over their re-election of the worst president we have had since Jimmy Carter. The facts are ignored that we are going;broke, losing our independence and in a quandry over healthcare, taxes, budgets. continued warfare and the lack of austerity in government . They sail along happily while the ship of state sinks.

BUT –it finally hits home when a few Dem senators realize that the business of THEIR STATE is being hurt by HIGHER TAXATION..

Well, alleluia! The light begins to dawn!!!.

JDW

December 11th, 2012
5:16 pm

O Dear taxes are bad for business…well not really, bad for campaign contributions maybe…business not so much in this case. So “involved” Republicans and Democrats both will line up to remove such a travesty! :roll:

Hey what time does the budget meeting start, did anyone notice we have a deficit…jesssssscccccch

Pick a side any side of your mouths you can’t be against taxes and deficits, well in reality anyway.

@@

December 11th, 2012
5:20 pm

I can’t help but wonder how many future blowouts will occur in the dem’s sausage.

Weak links?

Pizzaman

December 11th, 2012
5:22 pm

More Repub propaganda.

Cheesy Grits is gone but not forgotten

December 11th, 2012
5:22 pm

I see Michigan has passed tough Anti Union laws.

I mean how dare people organize and fight for better wages and or benefits

That isn’t America.

They should take whatever pay their corporate paymasters give them and shut up about it.

Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!

December 11th, 2012
5:23 pm

Democrats weren’t so much interested in reforming healthcare as in taking over healthcare. If that meant they had to take a chance on passing a crummy bill in their rush to present their liberal fascist messiah with a political victory, well so be it. To hell with Americans, we’ve got a crisis to expoit!

Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!

December 11th, 2012
5:25 pm

Cheesy: how dare people organize and fight for better wages and or benefits
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There is no prohibition against that in the bill that was passed.

Don’t let facts get in the way of your poutrage though.

Bob

December 11th, 2012
5:26 pm

The democrats are sucking up to millionaires again. Anyone remember the luxury tax ? It was was generating millions of revenue from the sale of yachts from millionaires and dems voted with repubs to kill it. Why did dems vote to end that tax, everyone knows it was working so well and taxes never ever hurt jobs right ? I think repubs should not vote to end this tax and instead should let it suck jobs from the people represented by the likes of Al Franken.

Cutty

December 11th, 2012
5:26 pm

Kyle is to the right of Jim Wooten and that’s saying a lot. All he needs is I Report and Lil Barry to chime in and he’ll have his entire moonbat get along gang here. You all lost, get over it.

Cutty

December 11th, 2012
5:27 pm

…. And right on cue.

saywhat?

December 11th, 2012
5:28 pm

Kyle, is this like when Republicans discover that the government DOES create jobs, and government spending DOES help the economy a la Keynes, once they learn of potential defense spending cuts in their districts? Is that not also one of those unceasing wonders?

Stephenson Billings

December 11th, 2012
5:32 pm

“They all spend far less and get better results.”

Not intended to be a factual statement…..

Stephenson Billings

December 11th, 2012
5:35 pm

“Kyle, is this like when Republicans discover that the government DOES create jobs”

You mean like this?:

“In the 1,420 days since he took the oath of office, the federal government has daily hired on average 101 new employees. Every day. Seven days a week. All 202 weeks. That makes 143,000 more federal workers than when Obama talked forever on that cold day in January of 2009.”

http://news.investors.com/politics-andrew-malcolm/121012-636426-americans-figure-out-public-employees-have-it-better-than-private-workers.htm#

I wonder where the gov’t gets the money to pay them all….

saywhat?

December 11th, 2012
5:35 pm

Stephenson Billings

December 11th, 2012
5:32 pm
“They all spend far less and get better results.”

Not intended to be a factual statement…..
________________________________________________
Maybe not among those who knew the polls were “skewed” and Romney would be the next President.

But among those of us in the fact-based world of reality, yes, it was more than intended to be a factual statement, it IS a factual statement.
Now you have learned something. Your day is complete.

Stephenson Billings

December 11th, 2012
5:37 pm

And the Libs wonder why the Republicans don’t trust him:

75 Percent of Obama’s Proposed Tax Hikes to Go Toward New Spending

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/75-percent-obamas-proposed-tax-hikes-go-toward-new-spending_666067.html

Stephenson Billings

December 11th, 2012
5:38 pm

saywhat? @ 5:35 – until you ask people who actually live and/or work under a single payer system that is….

@@

December 11th, 2012
5:39 pm

In Michigan you’re free to join a union or not.

Individual freedom…it’s a good thing.

Aesop's Fables and other Lib Economic Theories

December 11th, 2012
5:39 pm

Maybe the libs could give us a list of which greedy robber barons we’re supposed to hate on and which one’s we’re not?

Aynie Sue

December 11th, 2012
5:40 pm

The “tax” applies equally to a business and it’s competitors, so there’s no impact on domestic free-market competition. The tax is a hindrance to American competition in the world market, but do we really want to compete for cheap labor with Bangladesh and Pakistan?

Like the proverbial person who “knows the price of everything but the value of nothing”, Kyle neglects to mention that the tax provides medical benefits for the employees of US small businesses.

saywhat?

December 11th, 2012
5:44 pm

Aesop’s Fables and other Lib Economic Theories

December 11th, 2012
5:39 pm
Maybe the libs could give us a list of which greedy robber barons we’re supposed to hate on and which one’s we’re not?
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Maybe Aesop could provide us a list of liberals who said we SHOULD hate on his so-called (by him) greedy robber barons.

JamVet

December 11th, 2012
5:45 pm

Dems are slow, cons are in free fall.

Americans voted against free fall.

Again…

Aesop's Fables and other Lib Economic Theories

December 11th, 2012
5:48 pm

Try to stay on course, saywhat?, profits are evil, corporations aren’t people, blah, blah, blah.

What’d you do, turn off pmsnbc?

Dusty

December 11th, 2012
5:49 pm

Poor ol’ JDW Democrat,

He still doesn’t get it. HIgher taxes oppress business, lower profit, have less to give to the government and the economy. Somehow that isn’t helpful!!

Did anyone notice we have a deficit? Yep, lotsa people and none of them are Democrats They also never heard of austerity in hard times. Their solution? Take more money from the moneymakers so nobody has anything. Democrats are so demoratic. We can all be

.

Aesop's Fables and other Lib Economic Theories

December 11th, 2012
5:51 pm

Uh oh, did I hear a word on behalf of offshore profits from a lib?

What happened, did your cult leaders cut out for Christmas already?

Dusty

December 11th, 2012
5:52 pm

@@

December 11th, 2012
5:53 pm

Dems are slow, cons are in free fall.

Is there anyone here who would like to discuss AmVet’s obsession with me? We could talk to each other about him.

schnirt

saywhat?

December 11th, 2012
5:54 pm

Aesop’s Fables and other Lib Economic Theories

December 11th, 2012
5:48 pm
Try to stay on course, saywhat?, profits are evil, corporations aren’t people, blah, blah, blah.

What’d you do, turn off pmsnbc?
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In other words, you made it up. As usual.

JamVet

December 11th, 2012
5:55 pm

@@’s in free fall?

She’s gonna leave one helluva giant hole when she hits.

Schnort.

Stephenson Billings

December 11th, 2012
5:55 pm

Top 10 Things to Say to an Obama Voter Who Just Got Laid Off

1. “Hey, at least that successful Mormon businessman didn’t win.”

2. “Didn’t your lady parts warn you this would happen?”

3. “Look at the Bright Side, Gay marriage passed in four states.”

4. “Hey, Big Bird still has a job. Isn’t that the important thing?”

5. “I am sure Obama cares deeply about your situation. Maybe he’ll send you a postcard from Hawaii.”

6. “Well, look at the bright side, Rush Limbaugh is getting a massive tax increase.”

7. “Hey! Now you’ll have more time to play with your unicorn.”

8. “Isn’t it worth losing your job to know that religious organizations now have to pay for abortions and contraceptives?”

9. “Well, now you and Keith Olbermann have something else in common.”

10. “Forward!”