Obama’s idea of compromise: All take, no give

I admit that I haven’t been paying too much attention to the certified vote totals from each state in the presidential election, but how did I miss the news that President Obama won 100 percent of the votes in every single state (not just select Philadelphia precincts)?

That’s the only explanation I can conjure for his reported “offer” on the fiscal cliff, via the New York Times:

Treasury Secretary Timothy F. Geithner presented the House speaker, John A. Boehner, a detailed proposal on Thursday to avert the year-end fiscal crisis with $1.6 trillion in tax increases over 10 years, $50 billion in immediate stimulus spending, home mortgage refinancing and a permanent end to Congressional control over statutory borrowing limits.

The proposal, loaded with Democratic priorities and short on detailed spending cuts, met strong Republican resistance. In exchange for locking in the $1.6 trillion in added revenues, President Obama embraced the goal of finding $400 billion in savings from Medicare and other social programs to be worked out next year, with no guarantees.

He did propose some upfront cuts in programs like farm price supports, but did not specify an amount or any details. And senior Republican aides familiar with the offer said those initial spending cuts might be outweighed by spending increases, including at least $50 billion in infrastructure spending, mortgage relief, an extension of unemployment insurance and a deferral of automatic cuts to physician reimbursements under Medicare.

I can just hear Geithner making the offer now: “That’s none for you, a trillion for us; none for you, fifty billion for us; none for you, infinity for us.”

Even assuming the Medicare cuts were to transpire — and the key phrase about that in the Times’ story is “with no guarantees,” which is short-hand for “Democrats are always happy to agree to cuts they have no intention of making” — we are talking $4 in tax increases for, at most, $1 in spending cuts. That’s well past the opposite of the ratio, widely discussed since last year’s debt-ceiling negotiations, of $2.50-$3 in spending cuts for every $1 in tax increases.

If that’s what the American people wanted, we would be calling Nancy Pelosi “Madam Speaker” again. But we’re not. Instead, we have Speaker John Boehner, who has offered to raise revenues by capping deductions in exchange for concrete entitlement reform, and a number of Republican House members and senators who are sticking their necks out to talk about reneging on their no-tax-hikes pledge.

Note to Saxby Chambliss: As long as this is the way the president is talking, there’s really no sense in talking about compromise for the good of the country.

What would be a GOP equivalent to this kind of unserious nonsense? Reason’s Peter Suderman took a pretty good stab at it on Twitter:

Republicans hear Obama’s opening bid, counter with: Eliminate the federal government, except for defense.

Folks, no matter how much you earn, it might be time to sit down and figure out what your household finances are going to look like with Clinton-era tax rates. Because Obama is giving every indication he would rather go over the fiscal cliff than move in anything like the GOP’s direction.

– By Kyle Wingfield

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1961_Xer

November 30th, 2012
10:46 am

At this point, Obama’s strategy is clear: Raise $1+ Trillion through new revenue to cover spending gaps, cut nothing. Do nothing whatsoever about the current $16 Trillion debt, do nothing whatsoever about future growth of government.

Dusty

November 30th, 2012
10:48 am

You tell ‘em, Kyle. Democrats are running toward the fiscal cliff as hard as they can go.

Trouble is, they are taking all of us with them. NO TAX RAISES. The ship of state is overloaded. Throw ‘em all overboard. i.e., tax hikes, Democrats and unlimited debt.

Linda

November 30th, 2012
10:48 am

The Republicans should demand the 3% spending cuts promised under Reagan & the 2% spending cuts promised under Papa Bush, just for starters.

Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed

November 30th, 2012
10:49 am

“What would be a GOP equivalent to this kind of unserious nonsense? Reason’s Peter Suderman took a pretty good stab at it on Twitter:

Republicans hear Obama’s opening bid, counter with: Eliminate the federal government, except for defense.”

OK, that is too frikkin’ funny, no matter what side you’re on. :D

Not surprised that President Incompetent has gone this route. But this is what you get when you elect an American Idol contestant in the first place, and when he sings off key, vote for him again.

MANGLER

November 30th, 2012
10:51 am

People did pretty well with “Clinton Era tax rates” Kyle. You were there, so was I. Don’t try to cover that up or forget about it.

As for bargaining, the GOP has been saying no to everything Obama has said for the past 4 years and making every single issue a line in the sand. Why was that OK for them but not for the President? You know he’s going to flex his new found political muscle for a minute and then compromises will be made.

This cliff was designed by the right to make the left look bad. It’s having the opposite effect though. You can’t blame Obama for it when he’s been trying to reach a deal with Congress for 4 years and they’ve consistently said they weren’t interested in anything he says period.

curious

November 30th, 2012
10:52 am

What’s the problem?

Republicans and Democrats voted for the bill that’s going in effect January 1.

iggy

November 30th, 2012
10:53 am

Forget the fiscal cliff, Im still awaiting my Free Obama television and all the other trimmings..

From the Center

November 30th, 2012
10:54 am

let’s head over the cliff, at least that way we get some cuts to go along with the tax increases.

Rafe Hollister, dreading the eventual decline caused by Obamanism

November 30th, 2012
10:55 am

More lies from the Mistake during his never ending campaigning when he said he wanted a balanced approach to the fiscal problems and when he said he would take a deal involving 2/3 spending cuts for every dollar of new revenue. Lying, deceitful, deceptive, and duplicitious best describes his approach to the fiscal cliff.

Reebok

November 30th, 2012
10:56 am

This is hilarious…President Obama came into office trying to be a grown-up and find common ground with the GOP…the Republican repsonse was to say NO to everything, even things they had pushed for in the past…the idea was, ensure that the President fails to do anything of substance, even if it stalls the economy, to make him a one-term President at any cost…and also to paint Obama as spinelss and weak in the bargain. So Obama grows a backbone, gets his legislation passed and trounces Governor Romney for re-election…and now Obama’s just being a big old meanie by not compromising with the meek, well-meaning GOP.

Rafe Hollister, dreading the eventual decline caused by Obamanism

November 30th, 2012
10:57 am

Kyle, sorry this is left over from the previous blog, but I’m sure Mark and Finn will make the same arguments here pretty soon.

Finn:
Look, you Cons lost big time on Nov 6th. No one is interested in your points of view, your opinions, your ideals, your goals, or what gives you the wet dreams.

MarkV
“No wonder Lil Barry raises the flag of patriotism. It seems to be mostlhy missing here. Not to mention civility and consideration.”

I will let one of your own leftwing socialist wantabee’s explain this to you two.

Hillary Clinton Apr 2003

I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration, somehow you’re not patriotic, and we should stand up and say, “We are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration!”

carlosgvv

November 30th, 2012
10:58 am

I’ve always heard that the best defense is a good offense. So, Kyle, when your Republican heros stonewall and refuse to budge on tax increases for the rich, just turn it around and blame Obama. You know,of course, that most of the simple cons here believe every word you say.

Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed

November 30th, 2012
11:00 am

“President Obama came into office trying to be a grown-up and find common ground with the GOP”

Obama in 2009: “We won.”

Common ground and grown up, reebok? Not hardly. But another epic fail on your revisionist history of President Incompetent.

Kyle Wingfield

November 30th, 2012
11:01 am

MANGLER @ 10:51: Well, if we can also have back a) the tech boom; b) $20/barrel oil and the commensurate gas prices; c) the lack of a war on terror (or at least the awareness that they were already at war with us); and d) Clinton-era federal spending, maybe we’d do just as well now with those rates as we did then. What do you think the odds are that those things will come back?

Stephenson Billings

November 30th, 2012
11:01 am

“This cliff was designed by the right to make the left look bad”

Not intended to be a factual statement:

“Woodward reports in his book that White House Office of Management Director Jack Lew and Legislative Affairs Director Rob Nabors took the proposal for sequestration to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, and then it was presented to congressional Republicans.”

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1012/82772.html

Rafe Hollister, dreading the eventual decline caused by Obamanism

November 30th, 2012
11:02 am

Reebock

You have an altered view of reality. The GOP is trying to help him grow the economy and get us out of the ditch. Obama continues to repeat the same mistakes that are keeping us in the ditch. He is putting his ideology of big government and fairness ahead off any desire to get the economy moving. It is always ideology first with Obama, USA second. He is bad for the economy and bad for America.

Aquagirl

November 30th, 2012
11:03 am

and a number of Republican House members and senators who are sticking their necks out to talk about reneging on their no-tax-hikes pledge.

If a bunch of Republicans were idiotic enough to make a pledge to some neckbeard that’s their problem. “I need concessions to save my @$$ because my constituents like dumbed-down politics” is not a valid argument. Not in the non-Gooper world anyhow, and they can either accept reality or go the way of the Passenger Pigeon.

Stephenson Billings

November 30th, 2012
11:04 am

FWIW, I sorta agree with Rush and Krauthammer. Replubicans should just walk away and set everything squarely in Obama’s lap. There’s no way they can win and no matter what happens, will have most of the blame tried to be placed on them anyways.

curious

November 30th, 2012
11:04 am

Mitch McConnell said the number 1 priority of the Republican party was to make Obama a one term President.

What was their second priority or did they even have one?

getalife

November 30th, 2012
11:05 am

He won.

Give him what he wants.

iggy

November 30th, 2012
11:07 am

Agreed Billings. Give Obama what he wants, then later the Reps can say…”TOLD YA”

Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed

November 30th, 2012
11:08 am

And here’s what’s going to play out in te next couple of weeks:

Just days before a deadline is looming, Obama will (once again) drop another steaming pile of “grand bargain” on the public table, something no one in the current negotiations has ever seen before and is completely unworkable, and then blame Republicans for not compromising.

And his fawning sycophants here and in the media will continue to ignore his incompetence while berating the GOP for their unwillingness to give in.

That’s the playbook of this woeful administration – do nothing and blame the other guy.

1961_Xer

November 30th, 2012
11:09 am

or go the way of the Passenger Pigeon

Careful, there. There is a VERY REAL chance that the passenger pigeon can and will be resurrected.

getalife

November 30th, 2012
11:09 am

The gop are the only thing stopping our economy.

Remove the gop out of the way.

Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed

November 30th, 2012
11:10 am

I’ll tell ya what: Let’s agree to returning to the Clinton-era tax rates . . .

. . . if the Dems agree to Clinton-era spending levels.

How about it, libs?

JF McNamara

November 30th, 2012
11:11 am

If it weren’t for Gerrymandering, we might still have a Democratic house as well.

It’s called negotiation Kyle. What was he supposed to do? Propose all cuts? We need to ignore everything that is said until a deal is struck. They are still doing a lot of posturing.

Rafe Hollister, dreading the eventual decline caused by Obamanism

November 30th, 2012
11:12 am

The GOP House won on the promise of no tax hikes. Live up to the commitment.

getalife

November 30th, 2012
11:12 am

You lost so take the offer or don’t.

Check mate.

Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed

November 30th, 2012
11:13 am

“Remove the gop out of the way.”

And how would you suggest doing that, getalife? You know, given they were just re-elected to a majority in the House for the next 2 years and all?

Centrist

November 30th, 2012
11:14 am

If there wasn’t a last minute, nothing would get done (or postponed until another last minute). Brinksmanship and “off the table” hardline positions is how divided government negotiates.

Will it be Christmas Eve or New Years Eve before a deal or postponement is struck?

Of course, the simple solution lies between the two hardened sides concerning tax RATES. Move higher off the $200K individual/ $250K break point and don’t increase the rate all the way back to the Clinton era. Maybe add “fairness” tax brackets for those earning over a $ million/billion per year. Close loopholes by capping deductions and credits. Raise the capital gains rate for higher incomes. Such a tax deal could be reached in a couple of hours – but probably not until the “last” minute.

getalife

November 30th, 2012
11:15 am

“And how would you suggest doing that, getalife?”

Walk away.

Done.

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

November 30th, 2012
11:15 am

President Obama won 100 percent of the votes in every single state

Dang straight. He won 100% of the voters that matter.

getalife

November 30th, 2012
11:16 am

You are trapped like rats.

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

November 30th, 2012
11:17 am

Just go over the cliff. Tax rates jump back to normal. In January have congress cut taxes for those making less than $250k.

Done and done. Cons don’t really have any leverage to speak of.

Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed

November 30th, 2012
11:17 am

“If it weren’t for Gerrymandering, we might still have a Democratic house as well.”

And if it weren’t for dumbed-down, government-educated voters, we’d have a President-elect Romney right now, JF McNamara.

Your point?

Stephenson Billings

November 30th, 2012
11:18 am

‘Fiscal Cliff’ Could Put Millions of Taxpayers Into ‘AMT Shock’

“During the 2011 tax year for example, the AMT hit single taxpayers with incomes as low as $48,450 and joint filers making only $74,450.

But millions more Americans could be subject to the AMT in their 2012 returns if Congress fails to reach a deal on the fiscal cliff before year-end. That’s because the AMT is currently scheduled to hit individuals making as little as $33,750 a year and joint filers making $45,000.

“This would hit immediately and likely cost taxpayers an average of some $3,700 in taxes,” said Leon C. LaBrecque, managing partner and founder of LJPR, LLC, a wealth management firm. “It would be a rude awakening to say the least.” ”

http://www.cnbc.com/id/49981664

Glenn Beck

November 30th, 2012
11:18 am

It may not be worth a crap, but a deal will be made. Both sides will claim victory. What’s new?

On the other hand as a recent President said:

“Elections have consequences”

“I plan to use the political capital I EARNED from winning the election”

Kyle: Did you forget that? You might want to have that selective amnesia check out.

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

November 30th, 2012
11:18 am

did not specify an amount or any details.

You Cons should be used to this kind of stuff….LOL

gib me ma free stuff

November 30th, 2012
11:18 am

Since the majority of Americans decided they wanted the “obama free stuff presidency”, my personal opinion is that ok if thats the way it’s going to be, we are doomed anyhow, so time for EVERYONE to start taking all the free stuff from the government they can before it all fails. For a start I’m going to stop working and go take disability that I couldlhave received years earlier, but chose to work thru my paralysis,loss of sight in an eye, and minimal use of right hand. Think about it…if your one of the 50% that actually pay FEDERAL INCOME tax to support all the freeloaders, why should you continue? Soon it’ll be 60-40 then 70-30, why be the sucker on the 30% end?

Buzz Belle

November 30th, 2012
11:19 am

Clear the fog from your head, if that is possible. For the past year, YEAR, this country has known that Obama wants tax rates to rise on those making over $250,000. We aLL knew that going into the voting booth. The rich are not going to NOT invest because of taxes rising if they think they can make a buck, we all know that. So stop with that silly argument. Republicans want to cut entitlements, Obama is givng you $400 billion. This is a good starting point. The reason Obama is going to the public is when he last went to the congress, all he got from Bohner is “NO”, loud and clear. You lost the election, you have less Senators and Congressmen than you had before the election. It is time to get down to serious negotiations. I for one, am ready to go over the cliff. If the republicans want to take the blame for that, and they will, hang on – it will be a rough ride, but we will make it through.

Aquagirl

November 30th, 2012
11:19 am

There is a VERY REAL chance that the passenger pigeon can and will be resurrected.

Only to be promptly eaten by Velociraptors.

getalife

November 30th, 2012
11:22 am

It is the same proposal offered earlier.

The gop are shocked about the same offer?

BS.

Glenn Beck

November 30th, 2012
11:22 am

Folks still whining and crying about the election results.

How much whine can they make from sour grapes…

Excuses and more excuses. Not much about the lack of ability of the candidate and Party…

Guess they haven’t noticed that the popular vote has not been in their favor 5 of the last 6 elections….

I say keep up with the same. It is working so well.

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

November 30th, 2012
11:23 am

did someone say “smack down”?

mwuahahahahahahahaaaaaa

Rafe Hollister, dreading the eventual decline caused by Obamanism

November 30th, 2012
11:24 am

Here’s the leverage Finn. Let Obama take us off the cliff, market drops, unemployment rises, people demand action. GOP says sure, but we need substantial cuts and make Obama’s extended tax cuts permanent. GOP gets the blame for a while, but there is no election anytime soon. The regime gets the long term blame for being unable to work with the other side. America loses in this deal, which is why the GOP is working to resolve the issue, Obama not being interested in any cuts and in favor of raising taxes, is that not concerned with the cliff, at this point. He would be once he has to deal with the ramifications of the economic drop.

Linda

November 30th, 2012
11:24 am

There is no longer any doubt that the Democrats WANT to go over the fiscal cliff. They WANT ALL the tax rates to expire. They NEED all the perceived increased taxes on the middle income earners to forge through with their agenda. The NEED the economy to tank.
Their second plan was to blame everything on the Republicans, but they have shown their cards. The Republicans will never be blamed for the carnage the Democrats are causing but will be there to pick up the pieces, if there are any left.

Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)

November 30th, 2012
11:24 am

Note that the fiscal cliff cuts are set to go in gradually so congress can stop them at any time.

In other words, there is no “cliff”.

Stephenson Billings

November 30th, 2012
11:26 am

“”Yeah, you know, it’s all on the usual poll-tested, oil and gas, raise the estate tax, there’s hardly anything they missed,” responded McConnell. “It is a massive, whopping punch right in the nose to the American economy. I can’t imagine the Democrats would support it. I mean, Max Baucus, the chairman of the Finance Committee, is certainly not going to support the estate tax proposal, Mary Landrieu, the Democrats from Louisiana, is not going to support the gas tax. Neither is Mark Begich of Alaska, completely unserious, and here we are witnessing the President running around the country thinking the campaign is not over yet. And they’re presenting laughable suggestions from the Secretary of the Treasury. He ought to be embarrassed to be asked to go up here and do something like that. It’s a serious blow to his credibility.” ”

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/mcconnell-geithners-presentation-obamas-plan-serious-blow-his-credibility_664233.html

Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!

November 30th, 2012
11:26 am

I can survive the tax increase with no problem. And it will be soooo entertaining listening to the idiotarian left whining about how eliminating the Bush tax cuts means financial disaster for the middle class (you may recall their whining for the last decade about how only the rich benefitted from them).

Time to eat your peas, Obozo receptacles.

Mike

November 30th, 2012
11:26 am

This “fiscal cliff” bs is just that, bs. Both sides are playing games with this as they know letting tax rates go back to pre 2001 levels will generate tons of money. They are just strategizing how to blame the other side for allowing it to happen.