Obama gets it right on EU airline tax
For those of you who say I never write anything complimentary about President Obama: He done good this time. From The Hill:
President Obama has signed into law a bill that requires U.S. airlines be excluded from European carbon emissions fees.
Environmentalists had framed the bill as the first test of the president’s commitment to fighting climate change in his second term and urged him to veto it. Obama quietly signed it Tuesday over their objections.
The European Union has been trying since I was living in Brussels to tax any airline, regardless of where it’s based, for the entirety of any flight that enters EU airspace, regardless of how little time the flight actually spends in EU airspace. So, a flight from Los Angeles to London would be taxed for the entire length of the trip, even though only a fraction of it was spent in EU skies.
I don’t think it diminishes what Obama did here to add: He really had no choice. Allowing another government to tax our businesses in this way would open the door to all kinds of mischief — such as taxing a U.S. manufacturer for all its carbon emissions anywhere, not just at its European operations. The U.S. simply can’t cede sovereignty to another government in that way. We fought a war over a similar concept, as you might recall.
As a side note, this issue brings to mind one of my favorite interviews I’ve ever done, with Ryanair CEO Michael O’Leary back in 2007. Ryanair is Europe’s leading low-cost air carrier, and O’Leary is one of the most colorful personalities in business, anywhere. The entire interview was fun, but this is the section that’s relevant here:
Airlines have become an enormous target for global-warming doomsayers. Last month, campaigners staged a nine-day protest outside London’s Heathrow airport, hoping to discourage summer vacationers from flying. Mr. O’Leary points out that air transport accounts for only 2% of carbon dioxide emissions world-wide — “It’s less than marine transport, and yet I don’t see anyone [saying], you know, ‘Let’s tax the [bleep] out of the ferries.’”
(”Bleep” was one of the most-used words in my write-up of the interview, as there really was no other way to quote O’Leary at length in a family publication.)
As for Obama: Well done. But if he follows through with that idea of pushing for a global tax on all flights, I’ll be right back to criticizing him …
– By Kyle Wingfield
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BW
November 28th, 2012
10:54 am
Wow Kyle….highlighting an obvious issue of national security as praise…I guess that will have to do….more interested in your opinion of saxby winning another term though
Centrist
November 28th, 2012
11:01 am
The left has co-opted AGW issues as an excuse for transfer payments. Never mind all of the junk science invoked for the cause. Flora and fauna thrives in interglacial periods. History demonstrates that warming has been good, and cooling bad, for civilization – be glad we are closer to the last ice age than the next one. The Little Ice Age (LIA) from about 1350 to 1850 was brutal while the Medievil Warm Period (MWP) of 950 to 1250 was considered the most recent Climate Optimum when Greenland was settled.
In a warmer world, less energy is needed for heating and transportation, resulting in less air, land, and water pollution. Snow and ice that seriously hamper movement and increase the costs of land and water shipping are reduced. Roads, bridges, and other infrastructure maintenance costs drop, as there would be less freeze/thaw and ice damage. Clothing expenses obviously reduce in a warmer world, and construction costs plummet as less insulation is required in all buildings.
The benefits of warming are especially prominent in agriculture. Longer frost-free periods will extend growing seasons as well as the extent of agriculture in middle- and high-latitude regions. More and greater varieties of food are then possible in areas that are currently agriculturally marginal.
Contrary to the assertions of the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), a warmer world is a wetter world with less, not more, droughts. This is because evaporation increases with warming, putting more moisture into the atmosphere, more clouds reflecting sunlight back into space (cooling feedback). Temperatures at high latitudes rise the most, reducing the difference between arctic and tropical temperatures. Since this differential drives weather, we should see weaker mid-latitude cyclones in a warmer world — less extremes in weather, not more.
Kyle Wingfield
November 28th, 2012
11:06 am
BW @ 10:54: How am I supposed to gauge that without knowing who’ll run against him? As Romney just proved, it is all too possible to lose a race against an incumbent believed to be eminently beatable.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
November 28th, 2012
11:07 am
That’s maybe the worst global-warming rationalization I’ve ever heard.
MANGLER
November 28th, 2012
11:13 am
Centrist … there is a certain validity to some of those points. However, in the years 950 – 1250 humans hadn’t bulldozed nearly as much of the worlds forests and prairie land or created farms in every corner of planet (less Antarctica, for now) like we have today. Oh, and there weren’t quite 7.2 billion little Terrans milling about cars, boats, planes, and burning fuel for power generation like there are today. So while yes, there may be a nominal increase in global precipitation as the atmosphere warms up, we already suck more fresh water from all aquifers than the rate in which they get naturally replenished and I don’t see that trend stopping until we hit a population tipping point (if we’re not already a little close to it already).
You don't say
November 28th, 2012
11:15 am
Obama did what any President would have did.
As for anything negative written about Obama, it didn’t work all that well in terms of the election, so please continue to express your opinions as you see fit.
MANGLER
November 28th, 2012
11:19 am
So if there is a global tax on all flights … does that go into an International Fund and get distributed evenly throughout participating Countries, or does each participating Country charge it’s own tax for flights originating, terminating, or merely passing over it’s airspace? What about flights that don’t do any of those things? Say, from Sydney to Kuala Lumpur? Would we also tax that flight, since we all share the same atmosphere? Can we tax China for it’s Coal generators which are wreaking havoc on it’s population and airspace and will eventually cloud it’s way to our shores? Will Finland tax the US for each of our F-150 extended cab super diesels?
You’re right, cross national taxes such as these lead to ridiculous places.
md
November 28th, 2012
11:28 am
And if they had a clue, they would just tax the fuel in their own countries. ALL International flights would be affected as there is no way the plane can get there and back on a full tank. But I’m guessing they don’t want to do that because it isn’t “fair” to their domestic carriers……share the misery is the idea over there, right?
Aynie Sue
November 28th, 2012
11:30 am
“Conservative” Americans and Chinese love hydrocarbon emissions, so defeating an attempt to encourage emission-conscious airlines by penalizing emission-careless airlines is bound to be popular among those who don’t give a damn about the environment.
Rest assured, Kyle, that your next trip to Brussels aboard one of Delta’s aging 767s will spew filth over two continents and an ocean. Just look out the window midflight to enjoy a view of the brown haze that now extends over the once-pristine Arctic regions.
Those silly Europeans, thinking that they can actually do something about the environment!
md
November 28th, 2012
11:42 am
And the irony continues as Aynie posts from a device that requires electricity……is that irony or hypocrisy?
A bit like Gore living in his mansion and flying around on his private jet…..but the masses jump up and down about the message.
md
November 28th, 2012
11:46 am
And for the record, I have no problem taking baby steps toward a greener world, but I have a MAJOR problem implementing tax after tax on a global economy that is 1 step away from recession….that just makes no sense. What good is a super clean world if we can’t afford to live in it? I guess eliminating humans would be the best solution for the earth though.
Centrist
November 28th, 2012
11:52 am
Mankind affecting a small portion of the earth’s surface and atmosphere is negligible in comparison to to all the other inputs – like volcanoes which pollute much more than man. Forestation in higher temperate zones substitutes a bright snow-dominated region that reflects the sunlight with dark forest canopies. A study from the National Center for Atmospheric Research in Boulder, Colorado, USA, found that trees in temperate latitudes have a net warming effect on the atmosphere. The reforestation of the northeast allowed old growth trees to topple and cut off electricity for weeks after the relatively moderate non-tropical storm previously named Sandy struck. (Most of the damage was due to the easterly winds to the north of the storm in densely populated areas which combined with a high tide made even higher by the full moon).
Of course the sun, earth’s tilt/wobble/orbit impacts climate thousands of times more than mankind – but such science has been negated by economic and political interests.
Linda
November 28th, 2012
12:06 pm
Carbon dioxide is the gas humans breathe out & that plants absorb. How can a gas that has always been necessary to sustain life on earth all of a sudden be a pollutant & is causing the globe to warm?
Is it airplanes or humans the ones who “spew filth” & that cause this “brown haze” Aynie is seeing from her window?
Isn’t carbon dioxide the gas added to soft drinks to keep them from being flat? It’s polluting soft drinks?
Centrist
November 28th, 2012
12:12 pm
Carbon is the sixth most abundant element in the universe and is the most abundant element found in organisms.
CO2 and other trace gases in the atmosphere are measured in parts per million while Nitorogen makes up 80%, and Oxygen 20%. CO2 parts per million have been in much higher concentrations in the past with teaming flora and fauna. Plant life thrives in higher concentrations of trace CO2, and animal life largely lives off of plants. No “tipping points” and massive land swallowed up by ice melt when the poles and glaciers were much more receded, and CO2 was not the factor that caused those warmer periods. The intentionally alarmist left is using junk science for their economic and political ends.
Linda
November 28th, 2012
12:20 pm
John Q@12:12, I guess that means you can’t answer any of my questions.
TBone
November 28th, 2012
12:24 pm
Only rich people fly in air planes so this is an acceptable tax in my eyes. Yeah tax those dastardly filthy rich frequent flyers.
Big Chuck
November 28th, 2012
12:28 pm
The president won re-election easliy. Please just get over it Kyle. There’s no crying in politics. MAN UP!
Linda
November 28th, 2012
12:34 pm
Everyone in the country knows Obama was re-elected except Obama. He’s back on the campaign trail today. The legislators in DC have a matter they want to discuss with him, something about a cliff & a recession.
Kyle Wingfield
November 28th, 2012
12:42 pm
Big Chuck: ICYMI, I was applauding him on this. But are you suggesting he’s now immune from criticism? Did it work that way with Bush from 2005-09?
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
November 28th, 2012
12:52 pm
So, a flight from Los Angeles to London would be taxed for the entire length of the trip, even though only a fraction of it was spent in EU skies.
We are no longer kids in the backseat fighting over who is crossing the center line of the bench seat. A plane takes off and a plane lands. It doesn’t matter where it originates from or ends up. Two actions, neither of which can occur without the other action.
whaaaaa, joey’s spending more time on my side of the car. His leg is crossing the center line.
whaaaaaaaaa
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
November 28th, 2012
12:56 pm
Did it work that way with Bush from 2005-09?
No, we kept criticizing but the Cons closed their ears since W had a mandate and all.
Thomas Heyward Jr
November 28th, 2012
1:08 pm
So the Fed.gov can balk at paying taxes to other crooks but………………sovereign states within the U.S. can NOT balk at paying taxes to Fed.gov.
.
Washington boot lickers have no principles.
.
lol
getalife
November 28th, 2012
1:10 pm
The only regulation stopping our economy is the gop.
We will cut that regulation in the next election.
RIP gop.
CC
November 28th, 2012
1:14 pm
Kyle:
You can’t even COMPLIMENT Obama without drawing fire from leftist idiots! In order to compliment him, though, your words brought out all the man-made global warming freaks!
BenDaho
November 28th, 2012
1:16 pm
So the governments confiscate the money through tax and use the money to repair the damage caused to the environment. Got it.
St Simons
November 28th, 2012
1:21 pm
‘Did it work that way with Bush from 2005-09?’
ok, using that std then,
by criticizing him you’re a ‘merka-hatin surrender monkey
just why DO you hate ‘merka?
do you hate us fer our freedums?
BenDaho
November 28th, 2012
1:22 pm
getalife
November 28th, 2012
1:10 pm
The only regulation stopping our economy is the gop.
We will cut that regulation in the next election.
RIP gop.
After the budgetless libs ruin the economy further, voting will sweep back toward conservatives who will then impose punishing austerity on government handouts.
CC
November 28th, 2012
1:26 pm
Linda:
“The legislators in DC have a matter they want to discuss with him, something about a cliff & a recession.”
Trivial matters, both of them . . .
He prefers to wait and discuss the hyper-inflation and coming depression.
Linda
November 28th, 2012
1:41 pm
Kyle, If the Republicans hold out to prevent taxes increasing on the top 2%, they will be blamed by the corrupt MSM for allowing taxes to increase on all taxpayers. If the Republicans cave & allow taxes to increase on the top 2%, they will be blamed by the corrupt MSM for the increased unemployment, etc.
Can the Republicans do the same thing Obama did almost the entire time he was a senator which is to vote “present,” thus allowing the Democrats the be solely responsible for the outcome?
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
November 28th, 2012
2:03 pm
“Obama gets it right on EU airline tax”
Even a blind squirrel will eventually find some nuts.
Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
Obama has about the same success rate in 4 years, however.
carlosgvv
November 28th, 2012
2:06 pm
“the U.S. simply can’t ceded sovereignty to another government”
By the time global warming has reached runaway effects, the number of excuses for not doing anything to fight it will be enough to fill a large book.
Centrist
November 28th, 2012
2:10 pm
@ carlosgvv – You can’t fight Mother Nature (successfully).
Sunny
November 28th, 2012
2:18 pm
“Obama has about the same success rate in 4 years, however.”
And how sad is the commentary that the Republicans could not find one person to beat him in two elections?
Time to look inward when a mediocre at best President wipes the Electoral College floor with Republican candidates.
Sunny
November 28th, 2012
2:19 pm
However true to form, you and others will continue to make excuse after excuse.
But it is amusing to read.
Now carry on.
Linda
November 28th, 2012
2:20 pm
John Q@1:55, If the Republicans refuse to extend the tax cuts on the lower 98% without extending the tax cuts on the upper 2% & the Democrats refuse to extend the tax cuts on the upper 2%, that is a stalemate, but the corrupt MSM will place all the blame on the Republicans.
Sunny
November 28th, 2012
2:21 pm
“Linda – It’s all the MSM’s fault, huh?”
Well it does make for a great built-in excuse.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
November 28th, 2012
2:21 pm
“And how sad is the commentary that the Republicans could not find one person to beat him in two elections?
Time to look inward when a mediocre at best President wipes the Electoral College floor with Republican candidates.”
Sad, yes. But when the electorate is the dumbest on record, and they vote personality over substance, that’s what you get, Sunny.
The Obama phenomena is over now. Thank God. We just have to survive these next four years and hope that the Dems don’t find another vapid celebrity to run in 2016.
Sunny
November 28th, 2012
2:30 pm
“But when the electorate is the dumbest on record, and they vote personality over substance, that’s what you get, Sunny.”
True to form: excuses
Nothing about how Romney and his team were unable to attract more voters to the polls. Heck, 40% plus of eligible voters did not even vote. Forget who voted for Obama, where did the Romney team fail and how does the Republican party regroup on a national level?
Republicans are doing ok on the state and district level, however that advantage is slowly going away in certain areas do to demographics. Demographics over the next two or three cycles will overcome any gerrymandering (yes both parties are guilty as charged) advantages that can be put in place for certain states.
Social issues might be a winning ticket in certain states, but to continue to accentuate them or to be associated with them because of certain elements in the party is not a winning ticket on the national level.
Hopefully we get better candidates in the future, however I doubt either side will have too many good ones.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
November 28th, 2012
2:38 pm
“Forget who voted for Obama, where did the Romney team fail and how does the Republican party regroup on a national level?”
You cannot just dismiss out of hand the voters who enabled this clown, Sunny. THEY’RE the problem.
And this isn’t the column to re-hash what Romney did or didn’t do, and what the GOP needs to rework.
Sunny
November 28th, 2012
2:40 pm
Tiberius
Are you Kyle in disguise?
As for the column: Obama did what any other President would have done. Nothing special or unexpected.
Sunny
November 28th, 2012
2:42 pm
Tiberius
Please note: You are not being forced to comment to anything I post not do I care if you comment or not.
But thanks a million for your concern.
have a super day
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
November 28th, 2012
2:45 pm
I have NO “concern” for you or your posts, Sunny. Don’t flatter yourself.
Sunny
November 28th, 2012
2:47 pm
That’s why I post and you respond, huh?
Pavlov anyone?
iggy
November 28th, 2012
2:47 pm
Global warming is no more than a farce disguised as a united nations and govt power grab.
Linda
November 28th, 2012
2:47 pm
I guess Romney could have bought a bunch of cell phones with his own money, but not too sure about food stamps.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
November 28th, 2012
2:50 pm
In case you missed reality, Sunny, it was YOU who first responded to one of my posts.
Pavlov, anyone?
Rafe Hollister, dreading the eventual decline caused by Obamanism
November 28th, 2012
3:00 pm
Who was it that said, we can survive Obamanism, but can we survive the people that elected him?
That is the question. I’m with Linda, if CO2 was as big a problem as the left alleges, we would have all been dead years ago. Rather than taxing airlines, it would be more productive to eradicate termites, the worlds largest producer of CO2. Just think how high the limbs and dead trees would be stacked if there were no termites. Maybe tax the people with too many termites on their property.
Rafe Hollister, dreading the eventual decline caused by Obamanism
November 28th, 2012
3:03 pm
Regarding better candidates, anyone who aspires to make their career in politics, is kinda flawed to begin with.
Sunny
November 28th, 2012
3:09 pm
“I guess Romney could have bought a bunch of cell phones with his own money, but not too sure about food stamps.”
Phone program was started under a Republican administration not Obama and it is not paid via tax dollars.
Now go look up what the telecoms received from Uncle Sam when the program started. Problem was that they turned around and lobbied Congress and the FCC to say that they would provide the service as agreed but wanted to pass on the cost. Uncle Sam backed off their own “deal” that said we provide X and you provide y, and allowed the telecoms to pass on the cost.
So cry about the election as well as the phone program that started under a Republican, was approved by an FCC head that was appointed by a Republican and was approved by both parties in Congress.
Facts will be your friend one day. Probably not in the near future, but hopefully one day
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
November 28th, 2012
3:10 pm
“The U.S. simply can’t cede sovereignty to another government in that way. We fought a war over a similar concept, as you might recall.”
SOME might recall that event, Kyle.
Sadly, far too many others were never taught it’s importance.
jconservative
November 28th, 2012
3:18 pm
Re carbon dioxide
Following is the readings of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere from 1958. I only list it every decade to save space. The numbers are not as important as the trend. Unfortunately there is no science yet on “how much is to much”. Without carbon dioxide in the air the earth would be to cold for human life. With to much the earth will be to hot for human life. There is just to little data to form a scientific theory on “how much is to much”.
The figures are taken daily at Mauna Loa Observatory by NOAA. These are the numbers for June 30 of each year.
1958 – 315.86 parts per million
1960 – 319.59
1970 – 327.66
1980 – 341.26
1990 – 356.11
2000 – 371.51
2010 – 389.78
2012 – 395.82
Linda
November 28th, 2012
3:20 pm
The tax hikes from 33% to 36% & from 35% to 39.6% also include a Medicare tax hike from 2.9% to 3.8%, a new 3.8% tax on investment income & limits on itemized deductions, which means the highest rate will go from 35% to 44.7%! They will affect 900,000 business owners & 15% of small businesses.
Ernst & Young predicts that the unemployment rate will increase by .5% with 710,000 fewer jobs, output will fall by 1.3% or $200 B, capital stock will fall by 1.4%, investment will fall by 1.8%, reflecting a decline in workers’ living standards.
http://www.accountingtoday.com/news/ernst-young-report-tax-cuts-upper-income-boehner-obama-63323-1.html
Rep. Camp claims that this proves Obama does not understand the economy. (Rep. Camp proves that the Republicans in congress do not understand Obama.)
JDW
November 28th, 2012
3:20 pm
@Tiberius…”You cannot just dismiss out of hand the voters who enabled this clown, Sunny. THEY’RE the problem.”
And that ladies and gentlemen is, in a nutshell, what is wrong with Tiberius and the Republican Party. If you don’t agree with them YOU ARE THE PROBLEM..
Sieg Heil!
CC
November 28th, 2012
3:24 pm
jconservative@3:18 pm:
Interesting . . .
I just wonder if we should compare the increase in world population for the corresponding years?
CC
November 28th, 2012
3:26 pm
JDW:
What’s the matter? You didn’t get enough hot air blown off on Bookie-man’s blog today?
JDW
November 28th, 2012
3:28 pm
@CC…”I just wonder if we should compare the increase in world population for the corresponding years?”
You reckon? Of course in your alternate reality it makes no difference that all of those new people drive cars, use air conditioners, consume products and cut down trees…you know all the stuff that creates excess carbon dioxide.
Since we can’t run around, eliminating people maybe we should try to cut those emissions first and see if that helps.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
November 28th, 2012
3:29 pm
JDW, just because they’re less educated than the voters who came out and gave the GOP their majorities in the House and State Houses in 2010, doesn’t mean I have to agree with their idiotic choices.
Ever since this re-election, you and the other libs on this blog have repeatedly told us to just shut up and go along with what ever Obama wants – just because he won.
There is no “bend over and take it” clause in the U.S. Constitution, and until you and your buddies learn that little impediment to your desired dictatorship goal, you’re going to get opposition.
Deal with it, Bubba.
CC
November 28th, 2012
3:29 pm
“(Rep. Camp proves that the Republicans in congress do not understand Obama.)”
They either do not understand him, or do not want to believe they understand him!
Romney 2016
November 28th, 2012
3:32 pm
“Ever since this re-election, you and the other libs on this blog have repeatedly told us to just shut up and go along with what ever Obama wants – just because he won.”
And you can show that with a post from a liberal?
Linda
November 28th, 2012
3:32 pm
Sunny@3:09, Let me tell you where you are since you don’t seem to know. You are on a conservative blog, & you are not telling us any news we don’t already know. You seem to be new here (unless you’ve changed you name) & are unaware that we know all about the phone stuff, when it started & who’s paying for it.
The “facts” remains that it was not Bush, the FCC nor Verizon who were handing out cell phones in Ohio. Perhaps you missed the clips of voters proclaiming that the phones came from Obama’s stash. “Facts” have nothing to do with perception.
Romney 2016
November 28th, 2012
3:33 pm
Romney lost
Republicans lost seats in both the Senate and the House
“Deal with it, Bubba.” You don’t seem to be doing so well with it, but give it a try.
Sunny
November 28th, 2012
3:35 pm
Linda
Go look up who started the program, how it is paid for and how the telecoms lobbied the government to pass on a cost they originally agreed to pay for after they gladly took benefits in a deal with the government.
All else is nothing more than your tears.
Sunny
November 28th, 2012
3:37 pm
Linda
As for the blog, you do not run it, but thanks for letting me know that Kyle is a right leaning Op Ed writer.
JDW
November 28th, 2012
3:38 pm
@Tiberius…”just because they’re less educated than the voters who came out and gave the GOP their majorities in the House and State Houses in 2010″
Guess you missed the newsflash…the more education one has the more likely they were to vote for Obama…Romney’s big demographic…white males with no college degree…hummmmm who do we know in that demographic?
http://elections.nytimes.com/2012/results/president/exit-polls
BW
November 28th, 2012
3:38 pm
Kyle
Been a busy day….how about Erick Erickson who is deep prayer about it? How about Tom Price or any of the sitting Republican US congressman? There’s the hot topic of Karen Handel. The cupboard isn’t completely bare on the topic.
How about the fact that all GOP congressmen must swear fealty to a tax pledge and when they step out of line with it then will supposedly be primaried? Is it really feasible to close the deficit on spending cuts only and if so how long is acceptable to close it?
I laid alot out there but I’m interested in the thought process going through the minds of Republican voters in the state regarding their US senators. I will note the Saxby hasn’t taken any action with regard to increasing rates or revenues yet but the howls are palatable in the blogs here. What’s more important to the voter the tone of rhetoric or an actual conservative approach to solve a problem? Avik Roy’s blog on the conservative approach to healthcare raised a few good points.
CC
November 28th, 2012
3:40 pm
JDW@3:28 pm:
You forfeited the right to EVER use the term “alternate reality” when you said, “NOTHING about Obamacare places healthcare under government or group ownership or control.”
Have a nice day . . .
Linda
November 28th, 2012
3:40 pm
jconservative@3:18, What about 100, 1000, 10,000, 100,000, 1,000,000, etc. years ago? What about the levels in a submarine?
Do the higher CO2 levels precede or follow a warming trend?
Answers depend on whether the scientist does or does not work for the govt. or does or does not receive govt. funds. Global warming is political science.
CC
November 28th, 2012
3:45 pm
Sunny:
Did you choose your name as a reflection of your disposition?
Sunny
November 28th, 2012
3:47 pm
CC
I chose it for you. Does your name really mean “Crying Conservative”?
You seem to do that a lot on these blogs.
Just saying
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
November 28th, 2012
3:49 pm
JDW, I guess you missed the news flash.
The electorate that came out in 2012 was less educated than that which came out in 2010.
2010 – GOP gains in House and state houses.
2012 – Obama re-elected.
Even YOU can figure this one out.
Linda
November 28th, 2012
3:52 pm
JDW@8:28, “Maybe we should try to cut those emissions first and see if that helps.”
Yeah, let’s just let the EPA shut down the coal plants & turn off our electricity & gas. Let’s push the price of gas to $10 per gallon. Let’s spend another $10 T & let unemployment reach 15%. (Oh, yeah. It’s already 15%.)
Even if you believe that the globe is warming AND that human beings are causing it, surely you don’t believe that politicians in Washington, DC can FIX the temperature of the entire planet!
Obama said 4 years ago that he was going to stop the rise of the oceans. Hurricane Sandy proved it was just another broken campaign promise. Liberals might think he’s Moses without the tablets, but I wouldn’t follow him thru an abandoned down car wash.
CC
November 28th, 2012
3:53 pm
Sunny:
Thank you for doing that just for little ol’ me! I’m sorry that I can’t reveal what CC stands for because the release of that information would compromise your magic decoder ring’s integrity. Just looking out for you . . .
Sunny
November 28th, 2012
3:56 pm
CC
Thanks. You surely fit the name I mentioned. It fits you like a glove.
Have a super day.
Linda
November 28th, 2012
4:00 pm
Sunny@3:35, I’ll say what I’ve already said again. Nothing matters other than the voters’ perception. Voters in Ohio said they voted for Obama because they thought Obama gave them free cells phones from his personal stash.
JDW
November 28th, 2012
4:00 pm
@CC…3:40 Yet you are unable to factually dispute the statement…blathering incoherently about your personal beliefs doesn’t count you must actually name a part of the health care system the Government now controls.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
November 28th, 2012
4:03 pm
“you must actually name a part of the health care system the Government now controls.”
That would be the part where you are now REQUIRE BY LAW (i.e. controls) to purchase health insurance or pay a tax – even if you don’t need it.
Next time, JDW, before you make such an idiotic statement, you might wish to brush up on the meaning of the word “control”.
Sunny
November 28th, 2012
4:07 pm
“Voters” or one or two of the same people played over and over again………
Did only one or two people vote for Obama in OH?
If it was more, did he garner votes from across racial, economic and education lines or only those related to the phones you are mentioning and have been brainwashed to believe won the election for Obama?
carlosgvv
November 28th, 2012
4:08 pm
Centrist – 2:10
It is my duty to inform you that human activity which pours huge amounts of carbon dioxide and methane into the atmosphere is NOT Mother Nature.
JDW
November 28th, 2012
4:12 pm
@Tiberius…”Even YOU can figure this one out”
See thats where you lack of an education hurts you…one does not lead to the other.
55% of those with post graduate degrees voted for Obama…all 10 of the 10 most educated states voted for Obama….all 10 of the LEAST educated states voted for Romney.
JDW
November 28th, 2012
4:15 pm
@Tiberius…”That would be the part where you are now REQUIRE BY LAW (i.e. controls) to purchase health insurance or pay a tax – even if you don’t need it.”
That is no more CONTROL of an industry than requiring car insurance, hunting licenses or business licenses. The only thing the mandate does is require proof of insurance or payment of a tax it DOES NOTHING to exercise government control of healthcare. Your care is provided by the professional of your choice and your insurance program is provided by the company of your choice.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
November 28th, 2012
4:18 pm
“why do you think you (of all people) don’t (or won’t) need healthcare?”
Because I don’t. When I need health care (in very rare instances), I pay for it. I don’t run to the doctor when I sprain something or have a sniffle. If something catastrophic befalls me, I have standing instructions to not extend my life if it cannot be lead as I am today. I refuse to be a burden on society and on my family and friends, and I have taken legal and financial steps to insure that I am not.
It is called self-reliance, and you could learn something from it, John Q.
CC
November 28th, 2012
4:18 pm
JDW:
Would you call this “control”?
“ObamaCare supporters are now waging a high-profile public relations campaign to make medical rationing palatable to the general public. The latest front is the opinion pages of the New York Times, which recently published two Op-Eds openly advocating medical rationing. The first was by their economics columnist Eduardo Porter, “Rationing Health Care More Fairly” (8/21/2012).”
http://www.forbes.com/sites/paulhsieh/2012/10/03/get-ready-for-obamacares-medical-rationing/
JDW
November 28th, 2012
4:18 pm
@John Q….
I know, but isn’t it fun to watch them scramble to rationalize irrational positions.
Linda
November 28th, 2012
4:21 pm
John Q@4:03, You voted for a man that:
added $1.7 T to the deficit in the fiscal year that ended 9/10,
added $1.2 T to the deficit in the fiscal year that ended 9/11,
added $1.4 T to the deficit in the fiscal year that ended 9/12 & the very next day,
added $93.2 B to the deficit in ONE DAY, the highest in the history of the country, more than was added to the debt from 7/4/1776 to 10/31/1942,
added $5.7 T to the natl. debt in less than 4 years, more than Bush did in 8 yrs.,
added the same amt. to the natl debt than the 1st 42 presidents combined,
has an unemployment rate higher today than when he took office, which means he has not created
a single, net new job,
& he’s getting ready to raise taxes he specifically stated would hurt the economy, which will raise enough revenue to run the govt. for 8 1/2 days, &
you’re accusing me of living in a fantasy land?
JDW
November 28th, 2012
4:23 pm
@CC…you maroon…WE ALREADY RATION HEALTHCARE…every insurance plan in existence covers a very specific list of things in very specific quantities.
As for the NY Times and supporters trying to sell an idea…that would be the antithesis of control. If they had control THEY WOULD DO WHAT THEY WANT.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
November 28th, 2012
4:23 pm
“That is no more CONTROL of an industry than requiring car insurance, hunting licenses or business licenses.”
Light dawns on Marblehead, as we say up in Massachusetts, JDW.
ANYTHING that is required by law is CONTROL, bub.
But since your Messiah has made a career out of ignoring laws as they are written, and selectively enforcing others, I can see where you might not understand the concept of laws and control.
“Your care is provided by the professional of your choice and your insurance program is provided by the company of your choice.”
Except, of course, when your current insurance provider stops their program due to Obamacare rules, or your doctor no longer takes the insurance that Obamacare provides, but why quibble on the details, right?
JDW
November 28th, 2012
4:25 pm
@Tiberius…”ANYTHING that is required by law is CONTROL, bub.”
The only thing that is controlled by Obamacare is either you get insurance or you pay a tax…that is not control of an industry no matter how much you blather.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
November 28th, 2012
4:25 pm
“when you go to the emergency room so they can have a look-see at your sore throat, we are ALL paying for it. Frankly, I’m tired of paying for all you freeloaders.”
What part of “I don’t run to the doctor when I sprain something or have a sniffle.” do you NOT understand, John Q?
Are you being deliberately dense, or does this come naturally to you?
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
November 28th, 2012
4:26 pm
“The only thing that is controlled by Obamacare is either you get insurance or you pay a tax”
I accept your apology, JDW, no matter how ridiculously it is worded.
Next time, try not to make such sweeping moronic statements, OK?
CC
November 28th, 2012
4:31 pm
Tiberius:
Trying to communicate an idea or concept to JDW is comparable to milking a bull, except that you get more milk from a bull.
A complete waste of time and effort.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
November 28th, 2012
4:38 pm
“Trying to communicate an idea or concept to JDW is comparable to milking a bull, except that you get more milk from a bull.
A complete waste of time and effort.”
I know, CC, but sometimes you just have to fight against the blatant ignorance
JDW
November 28th, 2012
4:38 pm
@Tiberius…”accept your apology”
What, you channeling Faux News again?
Black Label
November 28th, 2012
4:40 pm
JDW
Here comes the “I accept your surrender” shtick
CC
November 28th, 2012
4:41 pm
“sometimes you just have to fight against the blatant ignorance”
It is becoming difficult to distinguish between blatant ignorance and downright stupidity!
JDW
November 28th, 2012
4:41 pm
@CC…”Trying to communicate an idea or concept to JDW is comparable to milking a bull, except that you get more milk from a bull.”
That bull probably actually has a concept or idea worth communicating, which is more than I can say for you.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
November 28th, 2012
4:43 pm
Of course, Fox NEWS is the ONLY media outlet that has had the stones to uncover the Benghazi coverup and incompetence of this administration in the deaths of 4 Americans.
But reality doesn’t sit well with those who stick their heads in the sand when it comes to Obama.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
November 28th, 2012
4:49 pm
I’m beginning to think that John Q, Sunny and Black Label are one in the same poster.
They all write the same things, they all fixate on me, and they are all completely and totally dense when it comes to understanding the English language.
John Q, for instance, accuses me of going to the emergency room right after I write that I don’t use health care services by and large, and pay cash for them in the rare instance that I do.
Is there an apology for his false accusation? No. Is there any acknowledgement whatsoever of his mistake? No.
But all of a sudden, Black Label appears to comment on my replies to John Q and JDW (right after Sunny disappears.
We have some very lonely libs on this blog (or maybe just one or two).
MarkV
November 28th, 2012
4:49 pm
The science of global warming/climate change is hardly a subject for a discussion on a political blog, but it is still quite frightening to read such arguments as ” How can a gas that has always been necessary to sustain life on earth all of a sudden be a pollutant & is causing the globe to warm?” Can anybody with any ability think believe that the planet just cares about where the carbon dioxide comes from? That it makes any difference for it that we, the people here, breathe it out?
But perhaps the most astounding is that people write these childish pseudo-arguments with an apparent belief that they have come up with something the climatologists never considered before they arrived at the consensus that the earth is warming, that carbon dioxide plays a major role in the warming, and that the mankind activity is responsible for the warming trend.
JDW
November 28th, 2012
4:50 pm
@Tiberius…”Of course, Fox NEWS is the ONLY media outlet that has had the stones to uncover the Benghazi coverup and incompetence of this administration in the deaths of 4 Americans.”
Guess you missed the newsflash…EVERY bit of their drivel to-date has been debunked. There is no coverup. Just a bunch of Republicans running around playing Chicken Little. Why don’t you try another channel you might actually learn something.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/27/opinion/bergen-gop-benghazi/?hpt=po_c2
Black Label
November 28th, 2012
4:51 pm
Tiberius post more than anyone on the blog. Day in and day out.
No friends and no hobbies, yet he accuses others and has his black helicopter conspiracy theories.
hahahahahaha
md
November 28th, 2012
4:56 pm
“Regarding better candidates, anyone who aspires to make their career in politics, is kinda flawed to begin with.”
I’m beginning to believe they are the ones that have it right…..working age to grave on cadillac gov’t assistance of which they are the ones that determine their own salaries and benefits………it’s like being your own board of directors……
Sunny
November 28th, 2012
4:57 pm
yes, Tiberius does come across as one funny dude.
Thanks for laughs, little guy.
CC
November 28th, 2012
5:00 pm
“Guess you missed the newsflash…EVERY bit of their drivel to-date has been debunked. There is no coverup.”
Yes, and Sasquatch is alive, well and living in the suburbs known as Lost Mountain.
CC
November 28th, 2012
5:02 pm
“I’m beginning to think that John Q, Sunny and Black Label are one in the same poster.”
I’m beginning to believe you are correct as to there being one poster using those three names!
md
November 28th, 2012
5:09 pm
As for GW, the latest has the scientific community in a panic:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2217286/Global-warming-stopped-16-years-ago-reveals-Met-Office-report-quietly-released–chart-prove-it.html
“Like Prof Curry, Prof Jones also admitted that the climate models were imperfect: ‘We don’t fully understand how to input things like changes in the oceans, and because we don’t fully understand it you could say that natural variability is now working to suppress the warming. We don’t know what natural variability is doing.’”
Have to love the “we don’t know” part of that equation……..yet the media has been telling us for years that it is all but certain……
MrLiberty
November 28th, 2012
5:11 pm
Of course he wants the EU hands off our airlines. He is planning on screwing them himself and doesn’t appreciate “sloppy seconds.” I mean there is only so much you can do to destroy and industry and still have it alive to give a bit of milk. The TSA (and their molestations, porno scanners, rampant theft, abuse of power, etc.), the restrictions on carryon items (just plain stupid and generally unsupported by either science or common sense), the 9-11 security fees (that have driven ticket prices through the roof), and so on. Obama deserves NO praise. If he really cared about the airlines, air travel, and the citizen he is supposed to represent, he would immediate shut down the TSA, return ALL responsibility for airplane safety to the marketplace/airlines, and attempt to restore a free market in airplane travel.
md
November 28th, 2012
5:12 pm
I guess I’ll bring this upstairs since JDW seems to think he is right about control:
“No more than requiring car insurance is socializing driving or requiring hunting licenses is socializing hunting or requiring a business license is socializing business. All we are talking about here is setting standards which is what government does. If you can’t see that you need to open your eyes.”
Wrong, wrong and wrong……..we don’t have to drive a car, or go hunting or have a business…..all choices that we still have.
Not so with obamacare, the choice has been totally removed…..the TAX will be paid.
Control JDW is when one has no choices available to them…….with Obamacare, we have the choice of 2 different taxes, one that comes with insurance, and one that does not……we DO NOT have the choice any longer to not participate…….the ultimate definition of “control”.
MarkV
November 28th, 2012
5:15 pm
“Have to love the “we don’t know” part of that equation……..yet the media has been telling us for years that it is all but certain……”
Which is what is wrong with the arguments of the deniers – in addition to their scientific ignorance. They go by what the media are telling, instead of what the earth and science are telling.
md
November 28th, 2012
5:33 pm
“before they arrived at the consensus that the earth is warming, that carbon dioxide plays a major role in the warming, and that the mankind activity is responsible for the warming trend.”
Might want to tune in to the latest findings…..the consensus is far from being a consensus.
Here’s another chart you can look at Mark and tell us all why co2 doesn’t have the direct relationship to temp that we’ve been told it did for so many years:
http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/trends/
You have to go to my first link for temps. Common sense dictates that if co2 is the direct cause of global warming, as co2 goes up then temp goes up accordingly. So please explain to us simpletons why the temp has remained steady for the past 16 years while co2 has risen.
teaching taxpayer
November 28th, 2012
5:37 pm
Since I called Kyle a “boot licker” for Nathan Deal during the charter amendment battle, I should compliment him on praising Obama for a proper action. Thank you, Kyle, for being willing to withstand the criticism from your own side because you didn’t castigate our President no matter what.
Linda
November 28th, 2012
5:40 pm
John Q@4:36, Liar. You specifically said, “You’re living in a fantasy land.”
Unless you are also a peeping Tom, you have no way of knowing if I even own a TV or have cable capable of airing that “truly, truly lame media company” OR the children’s news channel (MSNBC).
I may be a sucker for a sale on shoes, but I will put my common sense up against that of any liberal.
There was not a single point I made in my last comment that ventured from reality. That’s why you attacked me, the messenger, rather than my message. I have no idea what world you live in, but I can’t be intimidated to even consider trading the real one I live in.
Stephenson Billings
November 28th, 2012
5:47 pm
Atlas shrugging in UK?
Two-thirds of millionaires left Britain to avoid 50p tax rate
“Almost two-thirds of the country’s million-pound earners disappeared from Britain after the introduction of the 50p top rate of tax, figures have disclosed.”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/9707029/Two-thirds-of-millionaires-left-Britain-to-avoid-50p-tax-rate.html
Rafe Hollister, dreading the eventual decline caused by Obamanism
November 28th, 2012
5:54 pm
JDW, telling part of the truth once again. I have looked at the charts, and you are right about what you posted regarding who voted for Barry, however, you left out some details.
College Graduates by a large majority voted for Romney, yes the people with advanced degrees did vote for Barry. Hanging around the college campus too long results in a skewed version of America.
Also the people who had less than a HS degree voted for Obama by a huge margin. People with only a high school degree also voted by a large margin for Barry. I guess that is the illiterate crowd that Pravda said elected Barry.
Romney did not score well with the under educated crowd, he doesn’t do Al Green or Gangnam.
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
November 28th, 2012
5:55 pm
President Obama has signed into law a bill that requires U.S. airlines be excluded from European carbon emissions fees.
——————
ROFLMGDAO!!
B-b-b-b-but what about the sea levels?
MarkV
November 28th, 2012
5:56 pm
md @ 5:33 pm
Read my post @ 4:49 pm again.
But if you want an answer for simpletons to your question: There is no such thing as a “steady temperature for the past 16 years.” The temperature always fluctuates, because the natural variability is superimposed on the steady warming trend caused by greenhouse gases.
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
November 28th, 2012
5:58 pm
MarkV: [Deniers] go by what the media are telling, instead of what the earth and science are telling.
——————-
I wonder what Obozo is going by. I guess he’s “anti-science” eh?
You Obozo receptacles are such idiotic suckers. You’ll swallow anything, as long as it’s delivered after election day. Chumps.
Rafe Hollister, dreading the eventual decline caused by Obamanism
November 28th, 2012
5:59 pm
what the earth and science are telling.
Ok, Mark, what did the earth tell you today? I spoke with the moon, but I didn’t expect an answer.
Sunny
November 28th, 2012
6:01 pm
Lil Barry
You seem to be perturbed from the election results. Be a man and grow up. Election was 3 weeks ago.
You are a funny little tike, yes you are.
carlosgvv
November 28th, 2012
6:01 pm
Tiberius
Neither I nor any other liberal here refer to Obama as our “Messiah”.
And yet, you keep refering to him as “our Messiah”.
I wonder why that is?
Also, I’m really worried about your education. Spending so much time posting here reduces your homeschool study time and makes it problematic that you’ll ever get that high school diploma. Son, even a rich mommie and daddy can’t give you a very good life if your eighth grade education is as good as it gets.
md
November 28th, 2012
6:05 pm
From that link:
“Far from raising funds, it actually cost the UK £7 billion in lost tax revenue. ”
I’d wager that the folks doing the projections never factor that stuff into their narrative. It’s time to understand that technology has made the world a very small place and there are plenty of favorable places for the ones with money to reside. People with money didn’t get it by giving it away……….
MarkV
November 28th, 2012
6:12 pm
Why bother to answer products of idiotic minds, like those @5:58 pm and @5:59?
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
November 28th, 2012
6:15 pm
John Q: Tib usually calls him “Idiot Messiah”
————————–
I do believe you’re confused, or lying. It’s hard to tell with Obozobots.
“Idiot Messiah” was my appellation for your Big-Eared Retard Prince–I’m not aware of Tiberius having used it at all.
While the name certainly captures the essence of Obozo, it is just slightly ambiguous regarding the object of the “Idiot” modifier…the messiah himself, or his moocher, parasite acolytes.
md
November 28th, 2012
6:16 pm
When we are talking billions of years Mark, steady means not much fluctuation. You can use average if it makes you feel better, but the underlying point remains the same…..the temp isn’t going up or down for the most part…..it’s holding “steady” year over year.
Stephenson Billings
November 28th, 2012
6:17 pm
md @ 6:05:
Well those of us who pay attention to such things predicted something like that would happen. It’s happening in France too with their new 75% tax rate. To quote Warren Buffett “Tax Hikes On Rich Would “Raise Morale Of The Middle Class” “…. and that’s probably all it would raise.
CC
November 28th, 2012
6:20 pm
MarkV:
“They go by what the media are telling, instead of what the earth and science are telling.”
I assume that the earth and the scientists speak directly to you? Yessiree, no media between you, the earth and scientists! I am surprised that you alight from your lofty perch to even converse with mere scientists!
Sunny
November 28th, 2012
6:21 pm
Lil Barry
No longer has to sit in a high chair. It is booster seats and step stools from here on out…..
He is raring to go. Don’t get too excited and fall off that step stool.
Barry will huff and puff and do nothing…………… wa wa wa
Sunny
November 28th, 2012
6:24 pm
CC
And I assume you have your opinions on the issue from talking directly to scientists?
Thought so
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
November 28th, 2012
6:29 pm
Well, John Q, at least we do stick to one name each.
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
November 28th, 2012
6:30 pm
Sunny, isn’t it about time for a new sockpuppet?
MarkV
November 28th, 2012
6:38 pm
md @6:16 pm
“When we are talking billions of years Mark, steady means not much fluctuation. You can use average if it makes you feel better, but the underlying point remains the same…..the temp isn’t going up or down for the most part…..it’s holding “steady” year over year.”
Wrong.
http://climate.nasa.gov/keyIndicators/
MarkV
November 28th, 2012
6:39 pm
CC @ 6:20 pm
Join those I mentioned @6:12 pm.
Rafe Hollister, dreading the eventual decline caused by Obamanism
November 28th, 2012
6:41 pm
John Q has seen an uptick, do you see leprechauns and unicorns as well? The only uptick is in our insurance premiums and the price of gasoline.
Pat Robertson
November 28th, 2012
6:42 pm
md
At least you are talking millions of years and not the 6000 years that some evangelicals love to tell the world about.
Good for you.
Rafe Hollister, dreading the eventual decline caused by Obamanism
November 28th, 2012
6:44 pm
Oh, I forgot John, the unemployment rate is really up, since your guy assumed command. Now, I understand the uptick you speak of unemployment, gasoline prices, and insurance premiums. Now he wants to uptick everyones taxes.
Rafe Hollister, dreading the eventual decline caused by Obamanism
November 28th, 2012
6:48 pm
Who owned the thermometer and where did they record the temperature in 1492? Does anyone know?
Alter Ego
November 28th, 2012
6:48 pm
Kyle,
You’re correct, he had no choice, but I doubt the question of sovereignty really came into mind.
Besides the obvious negative economic impact, it would also raise the specter of a retaliatory tariff-neither of these is appealing options. At least the end justifies the means for a change.
getalife
November 28th, 2012
6:53 pm
Did that hurt you Kyle?
Our President is competent and quietly leaving a good legacy.
We should all be thanking him.
CC
November 28th, 2012
6:53 pm
MarkV:
I’ll be proud to join those esteemed individuals! You’re really a funny little guy! Your posts always bring a smile to my face! I’ve always kind of assumed that you’re jesting about 99% of the time. Keep up the humorous stuff ’cause we all need some comic relief!
CC
November 28th, 2012
6:57 pm
Uh, oh! Bookman’s village is missing another of its biggest idiots!
Black Label
November 28th, 2012
7:06 pm
“Uh, oh! Bookman’s village is missing another of its biggest idiots!”
No CC, you are not being missed.
Kamchak - You cons said Elmer Fudd could defeat Obama, so why didn't you nominate him?
November 28th, 2012
7:07 pm
No CC, you are not being missed.
Probably one of the banned ones.
Elections Have Consequences
November 28th, 2012
7:31 pm
“Our President is competent and quietly leaving a good legacy. We should all be thanking him.”
Utterly absurd. If the man had displayed any competence, the country/world wouldn’t be stressing over the pending so-called ‘fiscal cliff’.
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
November 28th, 2012
7:34 pm
John Q: [Rafe] lays bare the true extent of his complete and utter ingorance: “the unemployment rate is really up, since your guy assumed command”.
————————–
Well, Rafe is correct.
Don’t fear facts.
Kamchak - You cons said Elmer Fudd could defeat Obama, so why didn't you nominate him?
November 28th, 2012
7:37 pm
…the country/world wouldn’t be stressing over the pending so-called ‘fiscal cliff’.
A manufactured poutrage that you obviously fell for.
Have you responded to the email from the Nigerian prince yet?
Do you have Prince Albert in the can?
Is your refrigerator running?
Too funny!
Rafe Hollister, dreading the eventual decline caused by Obamanism
November 28th, 2012
7:40 pm
John Q you were saying?
The highest unemployment rates under each of the last few presidents were:
Bush I –7.8%, Clinton — 7.1%, Bush II — 7.8% , Obama — 10%.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20120707060912AAhSpwT
That is OK, the Koolaid was good anyway, right? But, remember what you mother always said … if you do not know the correct answer, don’t answer, because if you open your keyboard, you will remove all doubt, or something to that effect.
CC
November 28th, 2012
7:42 pm
“Have you responded to the email from the Nigerian prince yet?”
No, your posts more than adequately fill that void.
md
November 28th, 2012
7:43 pm
“At least you are talking millions of years and not the 6000 years that some evangelicals love to tell the world about.”
Agnostics tend to be open to all possibilities………hence the definition.
If one wanted to play that game and were open minded, one would understand that if there is an all powerful single god, he can create any illusion he wants to……so the 6000 number would be back in play as the 4 billion year old earth would be that way by design……..
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right
November 28th, 2012
7:43 pm
I wonder if John Q / Sunny / Black label will have the stones to apologize to me for claiming I ever used the term Idiot Messiah in a post.
Not holding my breath waiting. . .
Rafe Hollister, dreading the eventual decline caused by Obamanism
November 28th, 2012
7:44 pm
CC, you are always a good read, just wondering about the capitalization, you used to be cc now CC. Did you get a promotion?
Kamchak - You cons said Elmer Fudd could defeat Obama, so why didn't you nominate him?
November 28th, 2012
7:46 pm
…just wondering about the capitalization, you used to be cc now CC.
A classic case of not paying attention when signing back in after doing the sock-puppet thingie.
JamVet
November 28th, 2012
7:47 pm
Never mind all of the junk science invoked for the cause.
Hmmmm, this is very difficult.
Do I trust in the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY of greatest scientific minds and experts from around the globe or do I believe the Republicans and the North Koreans.
I’ll have to mull this over for awhile…
Linda
November 28th, 2012
7:48 pm
CC@6:57, Village? More like a cult. I double-dog dare you to go on there when HE’S not there, such as a weekend evening, & proclaim that wrestling is not real. Been there, done that. Go to bed & they will still be bashing you the next morning. Hilarious! Husband lost 10 lbs. laughing on a Sun. morning. Try global warming or the fact that raising taxes never raises revenues. Free entertainment.
md
November 28th, 2012
7:50 pm
Well Mark, the chart from NOAA shows it leveling off over the past decade or so:
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cmb-faq/anomalies.php
I’ll come back later and post the quotes of the BEST study where the head guy says it’s 50/50…..you do know what 50/50 means right? Just as much chance as being untrue…..
Kamchak - You cons said Elmer Fudd could defeat Obama, so why didn't you nominate him?
November 28th, 2012
7:52 pm
I double-dog dare you to go on there when HE’S not there, such as a weekend evening…
Well, unlike this place, next door doesn’t get shut down on the weekends or when daddy’s gone.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Pat Robertson
November 28th, 2012
8:00 pm
Kamchak
Why does this blog get shut down?
CC
November 28th, 2012
8:08 pm
Rafe:
I had no choice but to take prompt action. An Obammy appointee contacted me and told me that I was undercapitalized and unless I could rectify the situation immediately, I faced either a merger or forced buy-out! I was treated much the same as a bank . . .
Kamchak - You cons said Elmer Fudd could defeat Obama, so why didn't you nominate him?
November 28th, 2012
8:08 pm
Why does this blog get shut down?
Why ask why?
Drink Bud Dry.
Rafe Hollister, dreading the eventual decline caused by Obamanism
November 28th, 2012
8:11 pm
Tiberius, hope you are not holding your breath waiting on that apology. You know their excuse will be that all Conservatives look alike, or would that be type alike.
Speaking of Idiot Messiah, is that the polar opposite of Our Lord and Savior Barack Obama, as that black preacher called him the other day?
MarkV
November 28th, 2012
8:13 pm
md @ 7:50 pm
How are you are qualified to judge what is the BEST study?
As for the presumed leveling, I have already answered that, if you care to notice.
CC
November 28th, 2012
8:14 pm
Linda:
I will try that! I have made it a habit to pretty much stay away from there because I worried that whatever infected these leftists might be contagious! I could stand to lose ten pounds or so and could definitely use the laughs so I will do as you suggest. Leftists, who seem to have no sense of humor, are really quite funny little pieces of work.
Rafe Hollister, dreading the eventual decline caused by Obamanism
November 28th, 2012
8:14 pm
CC
They were just trying to lay the groundwork for later nationalizing you, after Barry I installs himself as President for Life.
Linda
November 28th, 2012
8:21 pm
Kamchak@7:52, The only bloggers Kyle has to ban are liberals. He only bans a conservative every now & then to make himself appear fair & balanced. It’s only liberals who are consistently foul-mouthed & disgusting. It’s in the genes/DNA/RNA of liberals.
Next door doesn’t get shut down ’cause foul-mouthed & disgusting are accepted, expected & applauded.
Kamchak - You cons said Elmer Fudd could defeat Obama, so why didn't you nominate him?
November 28th, 2012
8:24 pm
He only bans a conservative every now & then to make himself appear fair & balanced.
It’s only liberals who are consistently foul-mouthed & disgusting.
It’s in the genes/DNA/RNA of liberals.
There’s your signs.
Pat Robertson
November 28th, 2012
8:28 pm
“Leftists, who seem to have no sense of humor, are really quite funny little pieces of work.”
CC: you are a “leftist”?
Rafe Hollister, dreading the eventual decline caused by Obamanism
November 28th, 2012
8:28 pm
Even conspiracy theorists have trouble making up stuff more out there than the Dems. I think they passed Orwell some years ago. Now they are floating the idea of a wealth tax, Seriously! Next thing you know, they will be attacking our celebrating Christmas, and suggesting we give U.S. drivers licenses to people, who are citizens of other countries.
Pat Robertson
November 28th, 2012
8:29 pm
Linda
You are a liberal?
Pat Robertson
November 28th, 2012
8:30 pm
Rafe
Sort of like birthers, huh?
Pat Robertson
November 28th, 2012
8:30 pm
Rafe
Sort of like Clinton killed half of Arkansas, huh?
Pat Robertson
November 28th, 2012
8:31 pm
Rafe
Sort of like Obama is going to take away everyone’s guns, huh?
Pat Robertson
November 28th, 2012
8:33 pm
Rafe
Sort of like Obama is a Muslim but attends a Christian Black Church, huh?
Hopeful
November 28th, 2012
8:33 pm
What do you think about Alcohol being sold on Sunday ? I guess tax that too huh
Pat Robertson
November 28th, 2012
8:35 pm
Rafe
Sort of like Romney will win the election, huh?
Now that was a good one, I must say
Pat Robertson
November 28th, 2012
8:39 pm
“Alcohol on Sunday’s bought at a restuarant or store is a good thing.”
Would be interesting to know how many people over the years fought against it being sold in restaurants and now stores, yet have had many a drink from both on a Sunday.
Pat Robertson
November 28th, 2012
8:40 pm
Rafe
Sort of like government gets smaller when Republicans are in the WH and control Congress, huh?
That is another good one
Hopeful
November 28th, 2012
8:41 pm
Do you think it will get like the western days?
Linda
November 28th, 2012
8:41 pm
Pat Robertson, You sort of make the point of conservatives that Obama voters are not “all there.”
Pat Robertson
November 28th, 2012
8:43 pm
Linda: ditto
You are a right wing, walking and talking point….
But do carry on
Rafe Hollister, dreading the eventual decline caused by Obamanism
November 28th, 2012
8:46 pm
Pat
Turn the hurricane, please! Are you saying that there is no talk about taxing wealth? You are just showing how uninformed you are.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/19/opinion/to-reduce-inequality-tax-wealth-not-income.html?_r=0
This has been in the news most of the day, catch up! You can’t make this stuff up, the Dems are out there, beyond what the common man can envision. Sandra Fluck, Man of the year, I’m telling you, you can’t make up anything better.
Pat Robertson
November 28th, 2012
8:50 pm
Rafe
Without even opening up the link, it says opinion.
Let me know when there is a bill in the Senate or House regarding this issue.
Many on the right claimed in 08 and just this month, Obama was going to take your guns. Me showing you an article with some kook saying it, doesn’t make it so…….. does it?
Rafe Hollister, dreading the eventual decline caused by Obamanism
November 28th, 2012
8:50 pm
You cons said Elmer Fudd could defeat Obama, so why didn’t you nominate him?
You got us there Kammie, a serious misoverestimation of the intelligence of the voters on our part.
independent thinker
November 28th, 2012
8:51 pm
Maybe Obama secretly took the pledge after being drugged by Grover?
Pat Robertson
November 28th, 2012
8:54 pm
“You got us there Kammie, a serious misoverestimation of the intelligence of the voters on our part.”
Or a serious case of buying into what was being said by the right wing pundits and websites……….
Rafe Hollister, dreading the eventual decline caused by Obamanism
November 28th, 2012
8:57 pm
Pat
Did I say anything about any bills being introduced. Here is what I said.
Now they are floating the idea of a wealth tax, Seriously!
You do know what floating an idea is. If they can stir up any interest at all, it will gain traction. Nothing destructive is ever implement immediately and whole. Pieces are introduced and incrementally things happen, but it all starts with floating the idea. Then some over leveraged, socialistic, nanny state like CA will try it, touts its effectiveness, and sells the idea to others and ultimately to federal politicians.
Linda
November 28th, 2012
9:04 pm
Pat@8:43, Thank you for your accolades.
@8:50, A liberal who won’t trust the “opinion” of the NYT? Must be rabid! Call Animal Control!
md
November 28th, 2012
9:07 pm
“How are you are qualified to judge what is the BEST study?”
Now that was a good chuckle coming from the guy that supposedly gets his info from sources other than the media.
BEST…..Berkeley Earth Surface Temperatures project……..
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2055191/Scientists-said-climate-change-sceptics-proved-wrong-accused-hiding-truth-colleague.html
And the 50/50 reference:
“However, he admitted it was true that the BEST data suggested that world temperatures have not risen for about 13 years. But in his view, this might not be ‘statistically significant’, although, he added, it was equally possible that it was – a statement which left other scientists mystified.”
In laymens terms, “it’s a 50/50 proposition……but I “think” it is the 50% that supports my views”…..
Pat Robertson
November 28th, 2012
9:10 pm
Rafe
Until it is being discussed buy a House or Senate committee, I do not care what that writer is discussing.
People of all political stripes discuss things all the time. Vast majority of it will get you a copy of the AJC…….. if you have a $1.00 in your pocket to purchase it.
Pat Robertson
November 28th, 2012
9:11 pm
“A liberal who won’t trust the “opinion” of the NYT?”
This from someone who believed what the Fox pundits were telling her in regards to the election…..
Go figure
md
November 28th, 2012
9:14 pm
Wealth tax?
Yep, next on the radar……Dr Lamont Hill said recently that the “experts” say we can turn it in when we do our taxes. A form that shows how much furniture we have, how much jewelry we have, how much cash under the mattress, etc etc.
You libs don’t have a clue as to what you just unleashed with these far left whackos. They are feeling mighty emboldened to come out with their wealth tax this soon……..and think it is a wonderful idea, THAT is the scary part, in the name of “fairness”…….
They are talking about your private property folks…….and they want part of it to do as they please.
When/if they ever get that far, folks might want to start loading up on the alcohol and piss that wealth down the drain like so many already do……..
Dusty
November 28th, 2012
9:23 pm
Well, I see that Kyle has gotten the Christmas spirit. Has offered the discontented here a bit of a peace offering. So Obama says no taxing Americans for flying through air. Or something like that.
Very good. I don’t plan on flying any time soon BUT a brave move of air and such!
Anyway, P’nuts, the little people Christmas show was on and it is cute! I know. Made for children. but it is kinda fun, a bit of innocence for a change. . And I am reading Tolstoy’s Anna Karenin (Tolstoy’s spelling) so I will be ready for the movie. Kinda chilly but a nice day…
Linda
November 28th, 2012
9:31 pm
Pat@9:11, A peeping Tom who cased my home to ascertain if I had a TV or cable.
A minion who celebrates the Democrats winning the presidential election but who fails to understand that all Americans are loosing their country.
Pitiful!
Pat Robertson
November 28th, 2012
9:37 pm
Yes Linda, many times what you post is
“Pitiful”
You leave no doubt about that.
Acer706
November 28th, 2012
9:55 pm
Could any other admin point a finger immediately after winning a second term?
MarkV
November 28th, 2012
11:10 pm
md @ 9:07 pm
I was mistaken thinking you wanted to present a serious argument.
Old Timer
November 29th, 2012
12:35 am
Obama flips and flops like a fish out of water. Can’t remember ” conveniently” fro one day to next .
JDW
November 29th, 2012
7:29 am
@CC…”Yes, and Sasquatch is alive, well and living in the suburbs known as Lost Mountain.”
Sounds like breaking news over at Faux News.
JDW
November 29th, 2012
7:35 am
@Rafe…”College Graduates by a large majority voted for Romney, yes the people with advanced degrees did vote for Barry.”
Sorry you will need to attribute that the numbers I saw had a 1.5 difference in those with just a bachelors degree and if you strip out the white males it is not even close. Meanwhile there was a 10 point margin for Obama in those with a post graduate degree…ie the more educated bunch. Again if you look at the demographics the ONLY one Romney carried with any margin at all is white males with no college degree.
Rafe Hollister, dreading the eventual decline caused by Obamanism
November 29th, 2012
9:03 am
So, JDW, we have to strip out white males from the USA? I knew we, the descendants of the founders, were despised, unappreciated, and over taxed, but I thought we still counted, guess not!
Rafe Hollister, dreading the eventual decline caused by Obamanism
November 29th, 2012
9:16 am
JDW
Those with less than a high school degree (a declining share of all voters, 3% in 2012) usually vote for Democratic presidential candidates, while those with a post-graduate degree (18%) have voted for Democratic candidates by substantial margins in recent contests. In 2012, they voted 55% for Obama and 42% for Romney. College grads (29% of all voters) split 51% for Romney, 47% for Obama.
http://www.aei.org/article/politics-and-public-opinion/polls/2012-election-results-from-a-to-z/?gclid=CPnqrMmt9LMCFYKK4AodomsAwA
My point exactly JDW, it is all how you spin it. Looks like a 4% difference, course if you randomly select out those who are white, born of two parents households, believe in God, love their country, etc, you can get whatever you want.
Looks to me like the uneducated overwhelmingly voted for Barry.
md
November 29th, 2012
12:00 pm
“I was mistaken thinking you wanted to present a serious argument.”
Too funny……I guess that means you do not agree with the data they presented so as far as you are concerned it becomes irrelevant.
It’s a good thing real scientists don’t think like you do…….