And you wonder why voters rejected the T-SPLOST
If you want to see a microcosm of the reason metro Atlanta voters didn’t trust our transportation planners enough to approve the $7.2 billion T-SPLOST tax, I recommend this news from the AJC:
The state Transportation Board is poised to declare the Downtown Connector a gateway to the state, and to help fund a makeover to pretty up some of the high-profile bridges that pass over it.
The first two are the Peachtree Street bridges that pass over the Connector and back, in Downtown and Midtown.
“This lets the traveling public know the city of Atlanta is the capital city,” said DOT board president Johnny Floyd. “We want to showcase it and make sure it looks good.”
The makeover, according to the Midtown Alliance, will include colored under-lighting for night time and the words “Peachtree Street” in lights, as well as sculptured fences and sidewalks on the surface level over the I-85/I-75 interchange.
The Department of Transportation’s board approved the expense on Thursday. DOT will put $1.7 million toward the $5 million project for two bridges. Three other bridges would follow later, said DOT board member Sam Wellborn.
Yes, this must be the best way to spend $5 million in transportation funding (the Atlanta Downtown Improvement District is to contribute some of the money). Just think how pretty Peachtree Street will look as motorists are stuck in traffic on or underneath it!
Now, before you say, “It’s only $5 million. How much traffic relief could we get for that kind of money?” — I have numbers.
The T-SPLOST list included mostly projects that cost millions, if not tens or hundreds of millions, of dollars. But it also included some less expensive projects, particularly in the city of Atlanta.
In fact, there were 14 Atlanta projects that each cost less than $1 million. For $5 million, we could complete the nine cheapest of these — including some projects in the Downtown/Midtown vicinity: improvements along 10th Street, 14th Street, Edgewood Avenue, North Avenue and others, with almost $275,000 to spare. Or we could see some other combination of projects adding up to $5 million.
Admittedly, I didn’t spend a lot of time examining these smaller-scale projects leading up to the July 31 referendum. I don’t know how much congestion relief we’d get from them. But if they made the cut to be on the list, they almost certainly would be more worthwhile than putting some street names in fancy lights on interstate overpasses.
Ah, but what about this line from the AJC story?
The DOT money comes from signs near highway exits that advertise businesses at upcoming rest stops. That money is dedicated to making “gateways” to the state attractive.
Shouldn’t that stipulation preclude the money from being spent on traffic improvements rather than sprucing up our roads? I dunno; ask me again after the state has stopped diverting other fee revenues from the purposes prescribed by the laws creating them.
In any case, I can think of few ways to make a state “gateway” more “attractive” than ensuring motorists can exit the Downtown Connector and actually get to where they’re going. That strikes me as a relevant and better use of the money.
A big part of the public distrust regarding the T-SPLOST was the idea that the state is already spending money as wisely as possible. This is one more episode that makes the skeptics say, “Told you so!”
– By Kyle Wingfield
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Jaynie
November 16th, 2012
4:33 pm
I certainly agree that this money could be put to better use. Besides, there are 70000 Peachtree Streets in Atlanta. And I will certainly be glad to know that I am looking at one of them while I sit in traffic trying to get to work every day.
Steve
November 16th, 2012
4:34 pm
Right. Passing the T-SPLOST would have allowed for spending of transportation dollars on a more local basis than the current GDOT-driven system. Without it, we’re all at the mercy of GDOT and the entire state. But that’s water under the neon bridge.
MANGLER
November 16th, 2012
4:34 pm
As I stated on the other blog that had this story, I think that the capital building itself tells passers by that they are in a capital city rather than in some backwoods farm town (the skyscrapers, 18 lane highway, and traffic as far as you can see help too) a little more effectively than a sign that says what street you are underneath.
And by the way – didn’t the decorative fencing over 17th Street collapse into freaking traffic below last year?
Aquagirl
November 16th, 2012
4:47 pm
didn’t the decorative fencing over 17th Street collapse into freaking traffic below last year?
If you’re gonna have collapse/accident photos all over the internet then the least we can do is make them look hip and pretty.
Banderson
November 16th, 2012
4:48 pm
Who is in charge of this DOT organization of which you speak?
Dusty
November 16th, 2012
5:10 pm
Kyle,
Am I reading that last sentence correctly?”A big part of public distrust was the idea that the state is already spending money as wisely as possible.”
I thought the public thought the state spent money unwisely. That T-SPLOST just gave them justification to spend a lot more.
You meant the public thought the state couldn’t do any better even with T-SPLOST.
So these silly sign prove that T-SPLOST would have eliminated silliness and kept the spending sensible.
Guess I just don’t get it. The whole thing sounds like an amateurish DOT any way you put it. SPLAT, T- SPLOST or .SPUMONE
Bob Andrews
November 16th, 2012
5:11 pm
Kyle, this is your best writin, yet! The DOT will soon want to discuss, with you, the error of your ways.
Lynnie Gal
November 16th, 2012
5:12 pm
The transportation dept. has too much money–they’re tearing up every street and highway with no regard to traffic problems they cause. Their ruining business, especially this repaving on I-285 on weekends. You can use the highway and merchants in shops at Perimeter Mall must be feeling poorly these days. The money could be spent on the states other needs–like education or something. Anything but more asphalt.
ATLien
November 16th, 2012
5:24 pm
In fact, there were 14 Atlanta projects that each cost less than $1 million. For $5 million, we could complete the nine cheapest of these — including some projects in the Downtown/Midtown vicinity: improvements along 10th Street, 14th Street, Edgewood Avenue, North Avenue and others, with almost $275,000 to spare. Or we could see some other combination of projects adding up to $5 million.
What are the improvements from this list improves traffic? Seems like some dubious purposely vague writing to attempt to prove a specious point
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
November 16th, 2012
5:28 pm
This is almost as much a waste of road funds as the money spent naming a stretch of roadway for Cynthia McKinney.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
November 16th, 2012
5:43 pm
When politicians revert to “pretty up” you know millions of dollars for nuthin is coming.
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
November 16th, 2012
5:44 pm
But, my very road is being widened as we speak….but I do live in Hall County (Nathan Steal’s home town).
PJ
November 16th, 2012
5:46 pm
Such sloppy reporting! The article clearly states DOT is spending $1.7M, not $5M. It appears the rest is being put up by Kyle’s beloved private sector because they believe the city’s attractiveness and image make a difference to potential investors. They’re probably not to be trusted either.
carlosgvv
November 16th, 2012
5:47 pm
And yet, when I expressed my distrust of politicians pushing T-SPLOST here, you asked me how things were in my “bunker”.
Thulsa Doom
November 16th, 2012
5:50 pm
Cost- an ugly word in polite liberal society.
cc
November 16th, 2012
5:55 pm
“And yet, when I expressed my distrust of politicians pushing T-SPLOST here, you asked me how things were in my “bunker”.
Funny . . . I pictured you living in “Underground” in an abandoned, boarded-up alley!
Banderson
November 16th, 2012
6:01 pm
Seriously, who runs this GDOT? Isn’t it the state? But…but…you said they’re going to do so much good with charter schools.
Hillbilly D
November 16th, 2012
6:09 pm
Maybe it’s just me but wouldn’t a “Gateway” to the state need to be a whole lot closer to the state line?
A big part of the public distrust regarding the T-SPLOST was the idea that the state is already spending money as wisely as possible.
I agree with Dusty; I think that one needs an edit cause it don’t make sense to me. The public distrust, at least from me was that they wouldn’t spend the money wisely.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
November 16th, 2012
6:12 pm
Banderson, they don’t RUN nor control the charter schools, they merely approve them on appeal.
Nice try, but epic fail.
Georgia
November 16th, 2012
6:31 pm
When Kyle’s right, there’s no arguin’ the point. I hate it when I lose an argument I’m not even a microcosm of.
Thomas Heyward Jr
November 16th, 2012
6:38 pm
Clearly….the centralized charter school bureaucrats will make better decisions than the centralized DOT bureaucrats.
.
Clearly.
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lol
@@
November 16th, 2012
6:38 pm
Some litter is prettier than other.
I get the worst of the worst on the roadway in front of my house. Coke cans, beer bottles, fast food containers. I always keep a trash bag in my car. After working all day, I pull in the driveway and begin refuse control.
Not to worry. Sheriff Hill will keep my county clean.
Oh lawdy!
@@
November 16th, 2012
6:47 pm
Maybe it’s just me but wouldn’t a “Gateway” to the state need to be a whole lot closer to the state line?
Too funny, Hillbilly. Logic rules!
Jack ®
November 16th, 2012
7:08 pm
This dates me of course, but I can remember walking down Peachtree without being bothered by panhandlers. And I remember being able to ride the streetcars and trolleys with no fear of being mugged. Maybe the neon lights will do away with the panhandlers and muggers.
The Ghost of Willie B
November 16th, 2012
7:34 pm
@ Jack , “Maybe the neon lights will do away with the panhandlers and muggers.”
Then who will vote for Obama?
cc
November 16th, 2012
7:38 pm
“Then who will vote for Obama?”
LOL! TOO funny!
Hillbilly D
November 16th, 2012
8:17 pm
I get the worst of the worst on the roadway in front of my house. Coke cans, beer bottles, fast food containers.
I usually just throw ‘em back out in the road. That’s where they came from, after all.
Banderson
November 16th, 2012
8:19 pm
Tiberius – If you don’t think the ability to bestow a charter and take it away is “running” it, then you haven’t thought the issue through. The camel’s nose is in the tent. We’ll see who runs them.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
November 16th, 2012
8:34 pm
“We’ll see who runs them.”
Already done, Banderson.
The locals run them. Just as they do their on schools.
@@
November 16th, 2012
9:27 pm
Hillbilly, a litterer???
My mother-in-law used to tell me that two wrongs don’t make it right.
Besides…somebody might run over one of those beer bottles and have a blowout, then an accident….a death.
Who knows, the individual who threw out the beer bottle may have been driving drunk, caused an accident, and possibly another death.
Two deaths by one beer bottle. Chilling thought.
I’ll throw the cans and fast food containers out there. No blowouts.
(ISH)
Real Athens
November 16th, 2012
9:30 pm
This is news? There is absolutely nothing new here. The DOT and large road building contractors have run the State and owned the politicians since time immemorial. Most of the contractors have migrated north since the pillage of Gwinnett County is complete. Now their sites are set on Hall County and the surrounding area. Sprawl, here we come.
We get the government we elect.
@@
November 16th, 2012
9:31 pm
Come to think of it, a can (sharp edges) COULD cause a blowout…an accident…possible death.
A burger wrapper could blow up on someone’s windshield…blocking their view…causing an accident…a death?
I’ll just keep picking it up if that’s alright with you, Hillbilly.
JR in Mableton
November 16th, 2012
10:05 pm
You neglected to report the source of the remaining $3.3 million to enhance the connector. You make it sound as if all $5 million was from GDOT. Please explain the remaining $3.3 million.
No Artificial Flavors
November 16th, 2012
10:07 pm
I don’t mind a little beautification. I mean soviet style architecture doesn’t say much about a city and is as mind numbing as atl traffic. However, how does bridge lighting cost $5 million? I deal with government capital projects everyday but something sounds inflated here.
Just Saying..
November 16th, 2012
10:23 pm
This is not the lean, businesslike approach to government?
Hillbilly D
November 16th, 2012
10:59 pm
http://news.yahoo.com/ikea-regrets-forced-labor-east-germany-130425803–finance.html;_ylt=AgMAXjtLCdZiuB.XDwMBLOCWJvJ_;_ylu=X3oDMTFwdW9wdmdiBG1pdANSdFJsIFRvZGF5IE1vZHVsZQRwa2cDaWQtMjgzOTgyMgRwb3MDMwRzZWMDaGNtBHZlcgMxOQ–;_ylg=X3oDMTJuajk3N28xBGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRwc3RhaWQDZTNiYWVmZGUtMGU5MS0zZjdlLWJiN2MtODI5NGJjZjM1YTA2BHBzdGNhdANuZXdzBHB0A3N0b3J5cGFnZQ–;_ylv=3
Hillbilly D
November 16th, 2012
10:59 pm
Sorry that link was gargantuan.
Road Scholar
November 17th, 2012
6:13 am
Who runs GDOT? Well they have a Commissioner elected by a legislature appointed Board who reports to the Gov. Remember , he put his man, an agricultural engineer in charge of planning, and the Gov has to approve the budget and expenditures on projects. How is that working for ya’ll?
By the way, these projects have been scaled back over the years…originally they (locals) wanted to cover the whole Interstate downtown because it was considered an “eyesore”. They never considered ventilation of the tunnels it would create. And the cost was way over $5M.
I never knew Mr Deal had a degree in transportation planning!
Georgia
November 17th, 2012
6:14 am
Five million would cover the cost to tear down spaghetti junction. What an eyesore that thing is. Mayve we could plant kudzu and swallow it up. No, lets tear down that gwinnet is great tower monstrosity of a road hazard. No, better, lets tear down that confounded big chicken. No, lets put a giant fence around smyrna. .
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
November 17th, 2012
7:10 am
Banderson: Who is in charge of this DOT organization of which you speak?
—————————–
Government.
Mr. Snarky
November 17th, 2012
7:29 am
So, the money is intended to beautify roads etc? It seems only fair that Atlanta might get some of those funds…not just rural counties.
Plus it’s being matched by other sources of funding?
Not that the DOT is to be trusted, but this doesn’t seem highly incriminating evidence.
cc
November 17th, 2012
7:30 am
Georgia:
“tear down that gwinnet is great tower monstrosity”
I certainly agree with that since Gwinnett is no longer great . . .
Alter Ego
November 17th, 2012
7:54 am
Instead of staring up at a newly remodeled bridge, install a JumboTron. At least give people something to watch whilst sitting in the interminable ATL traffic
Mr. Snarky
November 17th, 2012
7:54 am
Does anyone other than me find it ironic that money from roadside ads is intended to beautify roads since there’s nothing uglier out on the roads than roadside ads?
Mr. Snarky
November 17th, 2012
7:57 am
install a JumboTron
And cause even more wrecks?
Alter Ego
November 17th, 2012
8:06 am
@Mr. Snarky
Lighten up Francis, it’s obviously a joke.
carlosgvv
November 17th, 2012
8:28 am
cc – 5:55
Well, some people do think I resemble Dostoyevsky’s “Underground Man”.
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
November 17th, 2012
8:34 am
@Alter Ego
Lighten up madam. For someone so expert on jokes, I’m surprised you didn’t recognize it as one.
Mark in mid-town
November 17th, 2012
8:38 am
I’m a conservative but it’s these kind of short-sighted vision-less opinion pieces which cause me to part company with many of the conservatives of this region. Atlanta and Georgia are in competition with other states and cities. There is a general trend in the country where business and population would like to locate to cities if possible. This is due to young people preferring to live in the city to a degree that didn’t exist for the generation before, and it’s due to the middle-aged and older people increasingly wanting to be near amenities they can easily get to once the kids are out of the house. The suburbs are just not as appealing as they used to be. It is farsighted for things to be spruced up in Atlanta and I think it’s actually great that the state of Georgia shows some interest in doing so. It is not a waste of money. It will make both Atlanta and Georgia a more attractive place for both potential future residents and businesses who are trying to determine which parts of the country to locate in.
Mr. Snarky
November 17th, 2012
8:48 am
I meant “And cause even more wrecks?
”
Mr. Snarky
November 17th, 2012
8:53 am
Kyle, so are you taking issue with funds for road beautification? Because if the DOT decided to switch funds from one purpose to another arbitrarily seems like something you would object to, but in this case it appears you think the road beautification funds should be used for other purposes. Clarify please.
clanmack
November 17th, 2012
9:14 am
What a great tourist attraction!!! “hey everybody, lets go sit in traffic and read the neon street signs on the downtown bridges!”
Of course, unlike the traffic pacing tube lights under the I85 south to I75 north bridge loop or the lane lights in the Buckhead Loop – 400 bridge intersection, some farsighted GDOT planner will have to maintain the lights. Maybe that is what the additional 3.3 million will go for. Walks like a boondoggle, talks like a boondoggle, . . .
Finn McCool (The System isn't Broken; It's Fixed)
November 17th, 2012
9:15 am
Do businesses not pay to get their name and picture on those DOT exit signs?
Don
November 17th, 2012
9:18 am
More upsetting than the fact they are going to do this is that somebody at the DOT has the time and inclination to think this up!
I thought the T in DOT stood for Transportation, Guess not.
Eric
November 17th, 2012
9:21 am
Evidently Atlanta already has been attractive enough for the 5+ million people that live here. Why are we trying to attract MORE people? Anyone heard of water shortages, traffic, and smog?
Just Say No to New Taxes
November 17th, 2012
9:22 am
We made T-SPOLT into T-SPLAT!! NO NEW TAXES, EVER, AND END THE CURRENT TAXES!! THE MORE TAX MONEY THE GOVERNMENT THIEVES COLLECT, THE MORE THEY CAN STEAL!
CC
November 17th, 2012
9:34 am
carlosgvv@8:28 am:
Extra credit for a sense of humor!
Dumb and Dumber
November 17th, 2012
9:54 am
I blame Obama and all those dimocrats that run the Georgia State Transportation Board.
Oh, wait. What dimocrats on the State Transportation Board?
carlosgvv
November 17th, 2012
9:59 am
cc – 9:34
Every once and a while I have to park my bad mouthing!!
Halftrack
November 17th, 2012
10:01 am
A lot of you bloggers want to know who’s in charge. Our past Gov. Purdue goofed up DOT when he placed a woman in charge of it. Then along came the Legislature and divided the DOT up into 2 units. They now have 2 CEO’s. Political Will rules the roost and some days it probably is hard to tell who is ruling the roost. Who is Will exactly?
Banderson
November 17th, 2012
10:06 am
Tiberius – . If you think the state is just approving charter schools and walking away, you are very wrong (again).
Here’s a link to HB 797, assuming you’re interested in facts, not your just your opinion of things:
http://www1.legis.ga.gov/legis/2011_12/pdf/hb797.pdf
a few points in the legislation about the new charter school commission’s duties, etc. (question marks added):
-Conduct facility and curriculum reviews of state charter schools
-Approve or deny petitions for state charter schools and renew, nonrenew, or terminate state charter school petitions
-The commission shall ensure that each state charter school participates in the state’s education accountability system (?)
-Develop, promote, and disseminate best practices (?) for state charter schools
-Monitor and annually review and evaluate the academic and financial performance, including revenues and expenditures
-Review and recommend to the General Assembly any necessary revisions to statutory requirements regarding standards (?) and accountability for state charter schools
-If a charter for a state charter school is not renewed or is terminated, the state charter school shall be responsible for all debts of such school. Neither the state, the State Board of Education, or the commission shall be liable for any debts of the school in the event the charter is not renewed or is terminated.
The last point was smart – it will encourage compliance to the state in order to keep the charter active.
CC
November 17th, 2012
10:47 am
I have been visited by the Obamanomics team: they have required me to modify my blogging name because I was undercapitalized.
iggy
November 17th, 2012
10:48 am
And lettuce not forget the lastest expose’ on one of Atlanta News stations that cited some Marta Bus drivers making well into the 6 $figures for driving a bus. Some security guards also making well into the 6 $figures.
We arent talking about $101,000, either…we are talking $200K some $300,000 dollars. Then theres is this silly bridge project then the “beltline” then trolleys…..waste waste waste.
iggy
November 17th, 2012
10:50 am
On a side note….
Medical giant Stryker cuts 1,170 jobs, citing ObamaCare.
“Ive got to admit its getting better, better all the time, (it cant get no worse).”
iggy
November 17th, 2012
10:53 am
And oh my goodnes…I just found more….
- CEO of Papa John’s says employees’ hours will likely be cut due to ObamaCare
- Group turns to social media to rally support for Papa John’s amid liberal backlash
- Banks may shrink for good as layoffs near 160,000
- Coal company exec lays off more than 160 workers after Obama re-election
CC
November 17th, 2012
11:06 am
This is interesting reading regarding the “top five” Obamacare taxes that begin in 2013. If you haven’t already read this or something similar, it’s worth a few minutes . . .
“WOLF: Obamacare taxes mean Obamacare layoffs
800,000 jobs at risk”
“The only thing worse than President Obama’s broken Obamacare promises are the promises he intends to keep: the tax hikes. Remember when Mr. Obama promised he’d never raise taxes on families earning less than $250,000 a year? He’d prefer you didn’t, but when Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. and the Supreme Court put its stamp of approval on Obamacare, Mr. Obama became a court-certified tax-raiser.”
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/nov/12/obamacare-taxes-mean-obamacare-layoffs/
Dusty
November 17th, 2012
11:12 am
Halftrack,10:01
The woman you tried to demonize because she was head of GDOT had a PHD in engineering and taught at Georgia Tech, probably the most educated person to ever serve in that job. She wanted things done right and it wasn’t cheap so she got dumped. Now we have those well educated in proposing neon signs for beauty and other business (profit making) signs to pay for it. So you can be pleased that he aint no womun!!
But since we are going to beautify and call it transportation, let us plant trees in every inch we can find. A corridor of Japanese Maple trees and dogwoods would be the most resplendent thing that could happen. You could throw in a few peach trees to make it official;. A pox on neon. It is passe’ and pathetic as “art work”. .
CC
November 17th, 2012
11:21 am
“probably the most educated person to ever serve in that job”
She was the very definition of “over-qualified”. Unfortunately, she wasn’t “political” enough, as is so often the case.
Dusty
November 17th, 2012
11:25 am
CC
Congratulations! I see you are now the BIG CC. You deserve the honor. Not everybody can “capitalize” these days.
CC
November 17th, 2012
11:41 am
Dusty:
I was told by the Obamanomics team that it was either this, a merger or a government takeover.
I elected to capitalize myself to avoid further governmental intrusion.
Dusty
November 17th, 2012
11:47 am
CC
I admire your integrity! May your reward be the finest neon sign ever!! You deserve the bestest!
carlosgvv
November 17th, 2012
11:48 am
cc
Obamacare hasn’t even taken effect yet and businesses are already anouncing layoffs? Looks like Obamacare is offering these greed driven Execs. the perfect excuse to lay off more workers and pile extra work on those lucky? enough to keep their jobs.
Thulsa Doom
November 17th, 2012
11:58 am
carlosgvv,
Well if the execs were so greedy why didn’t they just lay off these workers to begin with without looking for an excuse? You don’t think they find excuses all by themselves? Better yet if they are so greedy why did they even bother hiring these extra workers if they could have just never hired them to begin with and piled on ever more work on the other workers? Do you guys even stop to think just how ridiculous your statements are to begin with?
You dont say
November 17th, 2012
12:07 pm
Thulsa Doom
If the execs were on the level and wanted to lead by example, why change their salary and bonus structure right before bankruptcy. Was it coincidence that the new structure gave them more salary and less bonus. Guess they had no idea the courts would tell them to forgo the bonus part of their compensation package, right?
Do you really believe that?
I’m not absolving the union and their actions, but it appears that the exec were managers and surely not leaders. They are not one in the same.
CC
November 17th, 2012
12:08 pm
. . . and in the midst of these struggles with Obamacare we see labor unions doing even more damage to themselves and their fellow employees, but it WILL work. Right? I mean, if Obama supports the unions, how can they fail? Right?
Really “stoopid” . . .
Kyle Midtown
November 17th, 2012
12:10 pm
There was an article in the Atlanta Business Chronicle about this project. I am pretty sure that the money for this project is coming from private sources – is being raised by local business leaders.
Shataniana
November 17th, 2012
12:19 pm
“This lets the traveling public know the city of Atlanta is the capital city,…”. Right, need to correct any misconception that Snellville is the capital.
And DOT thinks the downtown connector is the “gateway to the state”? To most people a gateway is an entrance, and the nearest roadway entrance to Georgia is an hour drive from the connector. What are these jokers smoking?
dabir dalton
November 17th, 2012
12:29 pm
Kyle wrote: I dunno; ask me again after the state has stopped diverting other fee revenues from the purposes prescribed by the laws creating them.
_____________________
Kyle you seem to forget that it was good ole conservatives like yourself who voted into office the dishonest legislators and the Governor who actively practice political fraud by diverting these funds from the stated purposes for which they were created. There is a remedy but the question is whether you and your fellow conservatives are ready to demand honesty from the politicians you support with your votes?
CC
November 17th, 2012
12:38 pm
“but the question is whether you and your fellow conservatives are ready to demand honesty from the politicians you support with your votes?”
Funny . . .
For decades now I’ve been asking the same questions about liberals and the politicians THEY support with their votes.
iggy
November 17th, 2012
1:01 pm
The “greedy” execs are simply adjusting their bottomline. Everyone that ever has worked for private company understands employers hire employees that simply are not needed. You see private industry receives certain tax breaks etc to hire these “useless” employees.
Now Obama, ObamaCare, Dems/Reps, take away the tax and other incentives so business culls the deadwood to maintain their commitment to shareholders.
The survival of “The Company” and/or its owners/shareholders other investors financial interests is front and center. Agree or disagree thats just how it is.
Take away the incentive and business will adjust accordingly.
The liberals can bitch, moan, whine, cry, however, that will not change the outcome. The liberals wanted more govt control, taxes, ObamaCare…well…ENJOY!!
Dusty
November 17th, 2012
1:08 pm
Why don’t Democrats ask the president what he is going to do about the 16 trillion$$$ debt which he keeps adding to before they start fussing about the leadership of Georgia throwing a few thousands at some “touristy” signs???
After all, those Democrats did vote him into office and should demand that the president not drive the country over the fiscal cliff while waving bandaids at poor people who think they are getting healthcare. National bankruptcy is a lot worse than a few frivalous neon signs.
carlosgvv
November 17th, 2012
1:16 pm
Doom – 11:58
It’s known as “good will” and “public relations” in the business world. Maybe an honest day’s work in a company would give you a little business educations.
CC
November 17th, 2012
1:25 pm
Dusty:
The dimocrats don’t have time to ask silly little questions such as you propose. It’s difficult to ask questions while you’re busy screaming, “Gimme mo’! Gimme mo’!”
You dont say
November 17th, 2012
1:26 pm
iggy
“The liberals can bitch, moan, whine, cry, however, that will not change the outcome”
Bout time for you and other righties on this blog to heed your own advice. You have been doing what you claim liberals do since the election
just saying
You dont say
November 17th, 2012
1:28 pm
CC: crying conservative
get over the election…………… isn’t it about time?
MarkV
November 17th, 2012
1:36 pm
Dusty @ 1:08 pm
Dusty,
You should watch the news (the real news, that it) at least occasionally. You would see that the President is doing his job.
And incidentally, how is the President “adding to the debt?” More expensive vacations?
Hillbilly D
November 17th, 2012
1:36 pm
A corridor of Japanese Maple trees and dogwoods would be the most resplendent thing that could happen.
Why not use native Red Maples? Dogwoods are one of the prettiest trees but in their natural habitat, they grow in the shade, They’re an understory tree and don’t do as well in the sun, especially in times of drought, which come pretty regularly.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
November 17th, 2012
1:41 pm
I just want to take this time to point out exactly how accurate I was in predicting this trend towards laying off workers and dropping hours to avoid Obamacare mandates.
You’re welcome.
You dont say
November 17th, 2012
1:44 pm
Why not point out that you spoke of President Romney?
Your welcome
Dusty
November 17th, 2012
1:47 pm
What? Get over the election? That’s like saying “Get over Hurricane Sandy.”" It aint easy.
Almost every day we are reminded of “the election”.
States are having difficulty deciding whether to go bankrupt setting up insurance agencies or go with the Feds who don’t have any money either for national health insurance.
Doctors are “retiring”..
Business people are evaluating whether to drop employees, or go broke.
Congress is busy “investigating” the discrepancies in the Benghazi incident.
Foreclosed homes are still plentiful.
The Stock Market is quivering.
And you want us to forget THE ELECTION. We certainly will do that as soon as recession does not loom in front of us every day. .
iggy
November 17th, 2012
1:53 pm
Iggy is pointing out the obvious. Thats all iggy is doing. Stock market down, taxes goin up, unemployment up. I really admire iggys insight.
You dont say
November 17th, 2012
1:54 pm
Whine and cry on Dusty
Do your thing, do what you wanna do
Dusty
November 17th, 2012
2:01 pm
MarkV
You couldn’t realize the national debt if it fell on you. And it probably will while you blame it on someone else or say it isn’t there..
When the sky falls,you will call it rain.
I don’t wish to bewail the subject with you. I just read about the Egyptian train wreck with 40 little kindergarteners shattered. with their schoolbus. Forty little innocents! Forty!
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Dusty
November 17th, 2012
2:05 pm
You don’t say
Take a hike, hon.
MarkV
November 17th, 2012
2:06 pm
Dusty,
You were so keen on liberating the people of Iraq, and in favor of that war. Now you cry about the national debt. That war cost the US at least a trillion dollar. Did we have the money? NO, we were already about 6 trillion dollars in debt. So how about paying that trillion first, it is long overdue. How about raising taxes to get a trillion dollars and use that to reduce the debt, with the understanding that it is paying back the money spent on Iraq. Would that not be a good first step? Surely you would agree with that.
Dusty
November 17th, 2012
2:15 pm
Hillbilly D
Red maples would suit me just fine. I have seen the most gorgeous trees this fall. I don’t know the exact names of some of them My one Japanese maple is a beautiful fiery orange . The dogwoods here have suffered some but they do their “thing”in the spring. Even the crepe myrtles have presented some royal golds in their departing leaves. I must mention my camellias which are blooming in rose, red, pink with white to come. Some blossoms arealmost three and four inches across. This fall has outdone itself with color.
I just wish Atlanta had more of it but not in neon..
You dont say
November 17th, 2012
2:27 pm
Dusty
You don’t run this blog, dude.
You want to run it so bad based on your comments to those who don’t believe in your myopic, ignorant view of things but you don’t run it.
So I will stay. Thanks
CC
November 17th, 2012
2:37 pm
I think that it was in March of this year when Obama passed Bush in indebting the U. S. In other words, Obama had added more to the national debt in three years and three months than Bush did in eight years! That is quite an accomplishment, and one in which liberals seem to delight.
The liberals defense of Obama’s spending is always, “Well, Bush fought two unfunded wars and drove the debt up!” That truly is not a defense but rather a deflection.
Anyone with “walking around sense” knows where this spending is going, and how it will end. My only prayer is that the liberals suffer the most when their president finally brings this country down.
Smoke
November 17th, 2012
2:37 pm
Two reasons why TSPLOST failed. 1. GA is controlled, not governed, by Dixiecrat-Republica’s. 2. One-half voted to cutoff their noses in spite of their faces, and the other half gave them the knife.
Dusty
November 17th, 2012
2:41 pm
MarkV
So now we get to the nitty gritty. President Obama should be able to keep raising the debt because President Bush went to war protecting our country. (Info was given to Bush & Congress by the two greatest intel organizations in the world.who said there were wmds.) As negative as that seems to you even after 9/11, President Obama has followed the plans of President Bush, no matter that he said he would not. But,oh, the expensive tryouts Obama has manufactured himself! Wow!
President Obama has pushed a failing “stimulus”, then healthcare//insurance for one of the largest countries in the world which will be far more expensive than any wars. If everybody in the country paid the rates of rich people , we would still NOT be out of debt.
I know you don’t believe it. Find your own facts, not published in liberal quarters. Might give you some thoughts other than” you did not express that correctly”.
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Hillbilly D
November 17th, 2012
2:41 pm
T-SPLOST failed because there were more ag’in than for it. Simple as that.
CC
November 17th, 2012
2:47 pm
Hillbilly D:
I like your style!
MarkV
November 17th, 2012
2:51 pm
Dusty @2:41 pm
“So now we get to the nitty gritty. President Obama should be able to keep raising the debt because President Bush went to war protecting our country.”
No, Dusty, you are making things up. I did not say anything about President Obama. Neither have I said anything about intel, etc. I merely pointed out that YOU expressed your approval of that war. That war cost money. That money has to be paid back, just like any other loan. So I am asking you if you agree to paying that money back by raising taxes.
Also, that “failing stimulus” exists only in your imagination, or in claims of people you believe. That is your problem.
Dusty
November 17th, 2012
2:53 pm
CC
You explained it very well. Thank you.
Bryan -- MARTA Supporter
November 17th, 2012
2:58 pm
I think this is a great idea. Every city needs to have a “gateway” entrance. I think once all of the scheduled bridges are done it will really help the image of the Connector.
What I would really like though is to use that money to put tolls entering from outside of I-285 on the northern parts of I-75 and I-85. That money could be used strictly for MARTA. Now when you leave the city you wouldn’t have to pay anything, only when you are coming in. Since the OTPers hate ATL so much let them stay where they are and when they come for the ITP jobs and entertainment they will pay to support our transit here, since they are too dumb to join.
MarkV
November 17th, 2012
3:14 pm
CC @2:37 pm
“I think that it was in March of this year when Obama passed Bush in indebting the U. S. In other words, Obama had added more to the national debt in three years and three months than Bush did in eight years!”
Which ignores a few “minor” facts. Such as the financial and economic crisis that President Obama inherited and had to deal with. The conservatives pretend that it did not cost anything. Also, conservatives ignore that the wasr started under President Bush continued and cost additional money.
Dusty
November 17th, 2012
3:28 pm
MarkV
I WISH that I could “make up ” the national debt .Alas, it is real.
Raising taxes will not pay off our debt. That is a dream already discounted.
President Obama is NOT decreasing the debt. He adds to it every day and wants a higher debt ceiling.
Cuts and economic measures are the only way to decrease expenditures and lower the debt. The President is doing neither and Democrats in the Senate are blocking any moves in Congress. The war in Afghanistan may end in the next few years. Ask the president about that. He’s been in office four years now.
I will try to wipe the “stimulus” out of my imagination just as you have.. . But it is kiinda hard with so many people complaining about it. How in the world do you stay so blind to the issues confronting this country? You seem totally oblivious.
You dont say
November 17th, 2012
3:34 pm
The stimulus
The same one that Ryan complained about while requesting funds?
The same one that ex Governor Perdue denounced while at the same time writing DC begging for more than was allotted GA?
The same one that TX Governor Perry denounced but used to balanced the TX state budget?
The same one that many Republican Congressman and Senators cried about but took money for their states and districts?
Like them, do you hypocrisy much? Doubt you even know these facts. Try google.
Forsyth County Mom
November 17th, 2012
3:34 pm
My mother-in-law used to tell me that two wrongs don’t make it right.
Maybe not, but two “Wrights” make an airplane!
You dont say
November 17th, 2012
3:39 pm
Dusty
Why have Republicans quietly backed away from the their no “earmarks” pledge and are back to bizz as usual?
Oh my bad, guess Fox and your favorite pundits forgot to mention that fact, so you wouldn’t know
CC
November 17th, 2012
4:09 pm
MarkV@3:14 pm:
“Such as the financial and economic crisis that President Obama inherited and had to deal with.”
– interpretation — It’s all George Bush’s fault!
The reality is that you may place the blame for the economic crisis where it rightfully belongs, squarely on the heads of democrats. Do the names Barney Frank and Christopher Dodd ring any bells? Can you say “Fannie Mae” and “Freddie Mac”? Sure, you can!
“Also, conservatives ignore that the wars started under President Bush continued and cost additional money.”
“Yet, Obama gave speech after speech promising that ending the war in Iraq would be his first act in office: “I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank.” What candidate Obama explained in corporate media interviews was a little different. He said repeatedly that he would begin a withdrawal his first month in office, pull out one to two brigades per month and be done in 16 months. That did not happen. On Afghanistan, Obama’s withdrawal promises have been made and broken during his presidency.”
http://www.freepress.org/departments/display/19/2012/4480
Do we also “blame Bush” for your president’s lies? Don’t speak of Obama bearing the burden of the cost of continuing the wars started under President Bush. Obama failed YOU on his promise to end them.
iggy
November 17th, 2012
4:36 pm
“My mother-in-law used to tell me that two wrongs don’t make it right.”
Two wrongs dont make a right but three lefts will.
You dont say
November 17th, 2012
4:37 pm
cc
Obama is the President of the United States. If you are a citizen, he is your President, just as Bush was the President of the citizens who cried and demeaned him.
As for the crying, you are doing a dandy job of that.
Hillbilly D
November 17th, 2012
4:43 pm
Maybe not, but two “Wrights” make an airplane!
And Orville was flying the plane in the first fatal crash. Lt. Thomas E Selfridge, who had volunteered to be a passenger, was killed in the crash. Selfridge was also part of an organization that was in direct competition with the Wrights. There’s several lessons that could be taken away from that.
http://history1900s.about.com/od/1900s/a/firstcrash.htm
MarkV
November 17th, 2012
4:51 pm
Dusty @ 3:28 pm
“Raising taxes will not pay off our debt. That is a dream already discounted. “ “Cuts and economic measures are the only way to decrease expenditures and lower the debt.”
May I ask for the justification of this claim?
“The war in Afghanistan may end in the next few years. Ask the president about that. “
Why?
“I will try to wipe the “stimulus” out of my imagination just as you have..”
Good. For you will be progress. I will keep in mind all the good the stimulus accomplished.
“But it is kiinda hard with so many people complaining about it. “
Perhaps like Rep. Paul Ryan, when he asked for stimulus money for his district, or all the other Republican representatives and senators, who did the same?
You dont say
November 17th, 2012
4:55 pm
http://news.yahoo.com/republicans-gop-needs-times-131006853–election.html
MarkV
November 17th, 2012
4:57 pm
CC @ 4:09 pm
“Such as the financial and economic crisis that President Obama inherited and had to deal with.”
– interpretation — It’s all George Bush’s fault!”
If you insist, I did not say that.
“The reality is that you may place the blame for the economic crisis where it rightfully belongs, squarely on the heads of democrats. Do the names Barney Frank and Christopher Dodd ring any bells? Can you say “Fannie Mae” and “Freddie Mac”? Sure, you can!”
More republican talking points, already denunked.
Also, conservatives ignore that the wars started under President Bush continued and cost additional money.
“Yet, Obama gave speech after speech ….”
Irrelevant to the discussion.
“Do we also “blame Bush” for your president’s lies? Don’t speak of Obama bearing the burden of the cost of continuing the wars started under President Bush. Obama failed YOU on his promise to end them.”
A lie.
CC
November 17th, 2012
5:05 pm
MarkV@3:14 pm:
17
Yes, 17.
17 is the number of times President Bush attempted to get Congress to reign in Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae. In fact, you can justifiably say that Obama aided greatly in creating the economic problems he “inherited” in 2009.
You can easily find documentation for my statement here by Googling “How many times did President Bush ask Congress to reign in Freddie Mac and Frannie Mae?”
I wrote one lengthy post on this subject to you complete with quotes and cites, but for some reason it did not post. If you really want the truth, you won’t mind using Google.
You dont say
November 17th, 2012
5:12 pm
cc
Bush had a majority Republican Congress until Jan 07.
It was his job to sway some Dems to his side, just as it is Obama’s job today.
Bubble started to show in some areas in 06. Most arms and fancy financing was not done by Fannie and Freddie.
Don’t be so blind and brainwashed to believe that a few of the variables that contributed to the bubble were all the variables.
You dont say
November 17th, 2012
5:13 pm
as for google, you need to utilize it yourself to get the Paul Harvey (rest of the story)
CC
November 17th, 2012
5:13 pm
MarkV@4:57 pm:
“More republican talking points, already denunked.”
If that has been “already denunked”, please provide your source.
““Do we also “blame Bush” for your president’s lies? Don’t speak of Obama bearing the burden of the cost of continuing the wars started under President Bush. Obama failed YOU on his promise to end them.”
“A lie.”
How can you call it a lie when your president has been quoted and videotaped making the statements in question?
Or is it simply that when you choose not to accept the truth, you classify it as “A lie”?
You dont say
November 17th, 2012
5:17 pm
How can you tell a lie, hyperbole or biased bs when cc is posting?
When cc is posting.
MarkV
November 17th, 2012
5:23 pm
CC @ 5:05 pm
CC,
I have neither time nor desire to debate anything with someone, who is incapable of keeping track of what the argument is about, namely you. (I am making an exception for Dusty, who is quite notorious in this, out of shear goodness of heart, but do not extend it to others.).
The point of my response to Dusty regarding the increase in national debt during the Obama administration, which she blamed the President for, was that President Obama had to deal with an enormous financial and economic crisis, which he inherited, and which required huge spending to mitigate. I did not write anything about blame. Therefore, when you wrote your “– interpretation — It’s all George Bush’s fault!,” it was not only beside the point, it was plain stupid. And that continued in your other comments, trying to extend the blame game to all kinds of other people, who are not President Obama, and introducing all kinds of other, irrelevant subjects. I could not care less about your opinion about who was responsible for the recession, except that there are analyses different from yours, but have no intention to rehash that subject.
Dusty
November 17th, 2012
5:31 pm
MarkV
You owe CC an apology.
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He did not lie.and explained with quotations.
You avoid the truth at every turn..
Houston, we have a problem.. MarkV is lost in space.
You dont say
November 17th, 2012
5:33 pm
Dusty
Truth like the stimulus that the same Republicans you support had their hands in the stimulus cookie jar, while telling the ignorant that they were against it?
That sort of truth?
You dont say
November 17th, 2012
5:34 pm
Dusty thinks if you put something in quotes it means it is the truth
bwhahahahhhhhhhahahahahahahahhaha
Dusty
November 17th, 2012
5:39 pm
MarkV @ 5:23
Those are “weasel words”. They give you no credit whatsoever..
MarkV
November 17th, 2012
5:54 pm
Dusty @ 5:31 pm
“You owe CC an apology.”
You must be kidding.
@5:39 pm
“Those are “weasel words”. They give you no credit whatsoever.”
I am not looking for credit. I am looking for truth and logic. When you show that what I wrote was wrong or illogical, I will respond.
CC
November 17th, 2012
6:17 pm
MarkV@5:23 pm:
“I have neither time nor desire to debate anything with someone, who is incapable of keeping track of what the argument is about, namely you.”
This is MarkV’s way of saying. “You have bested me. I cannot refute the truth of what you say. It is now time for me to disengage, nurse my wounds and go home.”
CC
November 17th, 2012
6:25 pm
MarkV:
President Barack Obama was a pioneering contributor to the national subprime real estate bubble, and roughly half of the 186 African-American clients in his landmark 1995 mortgage discrimination lawsuit against Citibank have since gone bankrupt or received foreclosure notices…
…Obama has pursued the same top-down mortgage lending policies in the White House.
Obama’s lawsuit was one element of a national “anti-redlining” campaign led by Chicago’s progressive groups, who argued that banks unfairly refused to lend money to people living within so-called “redlines” around African-American communities. The campaign was powered by progressives’ moral claim that their expertise could boost home ownership among the United States’ most disadvantaged minority, African-Americans.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/09/fact-check-obama-had-more-to-do-with-2008-economic-meltdown-than-bush-ever-did/
MarkV
November 17th, 2012
6:25 pm
CC @ 6:17 pm
“This is MarkV’s way of saying. “You have bested me…”
Have you learned this tired, stupid response from Tiberius, or is it vice versa? When you cannot answer the argument, you proclaim that you won. Pathetic.
CC
November 17th, 2012
6:29 pm
MarkV:
President George W. Bush warned the Democratic Congress 17 times in 2008 alone about the systemic consequences of financial turmoil at Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and also put forward thoughtful plans to reduce the risk that either Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac would encounter such difficulties.
Unfortunately, these warnings went unheeded, as the President’s repeated attempts to reform the supervision of these entities were thwarted by the legislative maneuvering of those who emphatically denied there were problems.
To this day Barack Obama blames Bush for the 2008 economic meltdown.
The truth is, it was Obama not Bush who destroyed the economy.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/09/fact-check-obama-had-more-to-do-with-2008-economic-meltdown-than-bush-ever-did/
MarkV
November 17th, 2012
6:31 pm
CC @ 6:25 pm
CC,
Your fantasies about President Obama as a” pioneering contributor to the national subprime real estate bubble” are of no interest to me. I am getting tired to repeat: not a single point you have made so far disproves the point that when President Obama took office, the economy was in free fall, the country was in deep recession, and one of the results was that the national debt increased way above what might have happened without this crisis.
Bob Loblaw
November 17th, 2012
6:37 pm
This is why people SHOULD have supported T-SPLOST. Instead of giving money to DOT, for putting up decor instead of spending money on transportation solutions, T-SPLOST had a project list and a trust fund.
Watch the regions that are about to start building succeed. Meanwhile, Atlanta Region gets the equivalent of Christmas lights year round.
CC
November 17th, 2012
6:37 pm
MarkV:
I’m sure, as usual, you will find fault with my cite on the previous two posts to you. Feel free to use Google to find any other of the MANY sources that will tell you exactly what I have posted.
MarkV@6:25 pm:
“Have you learned this tired, stupid response from Tiberius, or is it vice versa?”
No, but you have given me a deep appreciation of Tiberius’s responses when attempting to educate you. It is a totally impossible task, and leaves the potential educator frustrated finding that your ignorance is so deeply entrenched as to be unmovable.
CC
November 17th, 2012
6:44 pm
MarkV@6:31 pm:
“not a single point you have made so far disproves the point that when President Obama took office, the economy was in free fall, the country was in deep recession, and one of the results was that the national debt increased way above what might have happened without this crisis.”
Obama helped (in a big way) to create a crisis that he then inherited and proceded to make worse by utilizing a failed stimulus to enrich his contributors and supporters, increasing the national debt by a staggering amount in doing so.
By Jove, I believe you’ve got it, MarkV!
MarkV
November 17th, 2012
6:44 pm
CC @ 6:37 pm
More pathetic nonsense, masquerading as a response.
CC
November 17th, 2012
6:47 pm
Dusty@5:31 pm:
Thanks, Dusty!
CC
November 17th, 2012
6:50 pm
MarkV:
“More pathetic nonsense, masquerading as a response.”
That’s OK, MarkV. Both you and I know the truth of this. I don’t believe your inane responses fools many others, either.
MarkV
November 17th, 2012
6:57 pm
CC @ 6:50 pm
Frankly, I could not care less what you believe of what others of your ilk do.
CC
November 17th, 2012
7:15 pm
MarkV:
“Frankly, I could not care less what you believe of what others of your ilk do.”
Is that your Rhett Butler “Swan Song”?
MrLiberty
November 17th, 2012
8:15 pm
I certainly don’t wonder. Government is a failure at EVERYTHING it does. There is absolutely NO reason to give them anymore money or anymore power. The trend should be to slash every penny from their budgets and take away all power so that the people can once again be free.
John
November 17th, 2012
8:27 pm
More money for the “beltline” bandits…. booze, parties, lavish salaries. You are a disgrace Leary. So are all of the SRTA. Get your darn lexus lanes out of our hov lanes that we’ve already paid for!
CC
November 17th, 2012
8:42 pm
MarkV:
“Frankly, I could not care less what you believe of what others of your ilk do”
That makes your presence here senseless, does it not?
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
November 17th, 2012
9:22 pm
Medical giant Stryker cuts 1,170 jobs, citing ObamaCare.
———————
Stryker makes (used to make?) high-tech medical devices in the U.S. and is/was going to be subject to Obozocare’s idiotic and destructive tax on such products.
Great idea, parasite Democrats–let’s tax out of existence an industry that creates high paying technology and manufacturing jobs and push these companies offshore.
rlm
November 17th, 2012
9:56 pm
Gov Deal probably has a friend supplying lights of work. Or it is someone else’s crony. Who is supplying construction and being paid? This will tell you why this is being done.
Dusty
November 17th, 2012
10:37 pm
Well, I was reading some nice poetry and thought you might enjoy a little bit.. This season is too nice to be unhappy… This one is titled ” New Every Morning” by Susan Coolidge
Every morning is a fresh beginning.
Listen my soul to the glad refrain
And, spite of old sorrows
And older sinning,
Troubles forecasted
And possible pain,
Take heart with the day and begin again.
G’nite….
SG
November 18th, 2012
12:12 am
Kyle is an ass clown. No further debate needed
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
November 18th, 2012
7:38 am
Not from low-information folks like SG, anyhoo…
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
November 18th, 2012
8:21 am
I’m still trying to figure out who “You don’t say” was in a different blog name.
‘Cause he / she isn’t new to Kyle’s place.
carlosgvv
November 18th, 2012
8:24 am
Tiberius – 8:21
Whoever he/she is, they’re pretty smart. Don’t you agree?
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
November 18th, 2012
8:29 am
Hard to tell, carlosgvv–all it’s posts seem to have disappeared!
show me kid
November 18th, 2012
8:53 am
When is the toll for 400 ending? (Govenor Deal promised this last summer)
kayaker 71
November 18th, 2012
8:58 am
Need proof that unions contribute to a sound economy?….. have a Twinkie.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
November 18th, 2012
9:06 am
“Whoever he/she is, they’re pretty smart. Don’t you agree?”
Not really. Pretty programmed, but not too bright, carlos.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
November 18th, 2012
9:08 am
Uh, show me kid?
He announced in 2012 it was to be ended in 2013.
2013 isn’t here yet.
Google is your friend.
CC
November 18th, 2012
9:25 am
Totally programmed!
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
November 18th, 2012
9:30 am
CC, I noticed you finally learned that debating with MarkV is a useless proposition.
No matter what he posts, he denies he ever posted it because you didn’t quote him verbatim, even though his meaning is crystal clear. But his back door is always “I never said that”.
I just point out his stupidities and move on without getting dragged into a wasted effort with someone as slimy as him.
CC
November 18th, 2012
9:38 am
Tiberius, I think that will be my last “go ’round” with MarkV. He claims a “search for truth”, but I think he only wants to argue. In the process, he attempts to impress but merely is self-stroking his ego.
CC
November 18th, 2012
11:07 am
“Asked whether he believed an Israeli ground invasion would be an escalation of the conflict and if he would support such a move anyway, Obama said he had been in regular contact with Egyptian and Turkish leaders to secure their help in stopping Hamas’s rocket barrages, which he called the “precipitating event” in the conflict.”
http://www.jpost.com/Defense/Article.aspx?id=292418
Yeah, good luck with that, Obama.
iggy
November 18th, 2012
11:29 am
Israel should invade with ground forces. To hell with playing defense, take the offense and kick the hell out of hamas, the palestinians and whomever else wants some.
CC
November 18th, 2012
11:34 am
Obama might just as well give lip service to the Israeli action because the Israelis are way past listening to him. You can’t show disrespect for a nation and its PM and then hope to have influence with them.
mike
November 18th, 2012
11:47 am
Kyle, its like I’ve always said: Never let an opportunity to waste the taxpayers’ money fall by the wayside. For instance, spending millions of dollars to install hundreds of cameras on metro interstates. It galls me every time I see them. Since the taxpayers’ money falls from the sky and none of these elected officials has to work and sweat for it, why shouldn’t they waste it?
carlosgvv
November 18th, 2012
11:59 am
CC – 11:07
On the othe hand, if Obama just did nothing, you’d be dissing him for that.
Truth is, no matter what he says or does, you will criticize him.
This pretty much invalidates anything you say.
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
November 18th, 2012
12:05 pm
Heck, I thought Obozo WAS doing nothing. You didn’t hear me criticizing him. Obozo doing nothing is the absolute best that Americans can hope for.
CC
November 18th, 2012
1:26 pm
carlosgvv@11:59 am:
The best thing Obama can do for America is to stay abroad. They can make sure he gets his check. As long as he isn’t here, he’s not doing further damage to the country, except in the area of foreign relations. Even the harm there will be minimal since nearly everybody in the world has figured him out, except for the ignorant and “entitled” people who elected him here.
CC
November 18th, 2012
1:28 pm
“Truth is, no matter what he says or does, you will criticize him.”
He earns the criticism.
CC
November 18th, 2012
1:41 pm
Looks as if Obama needs to try creating a job, which is something he has not done to date. He has aided in raising the education level of the burger-flippers, however, as those are about the only jobs available to newly-graduated college students.
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Nearly a dozen top United States companies plan to start laying off hundreds of employees with the implementation of Obamacare, according to the non-profit political action group FreedomWorks.
FreedomWorks compiled the list, reported in Friday’s Washington Times, from statements made by the firms since President Barack Obama’s healthcare mandate was passed.
The firms include:
Welch Allyn — a manufacturer of medical diagnostic equipment in central New York — which says it will cut 275 employees, about 10 percent of its workforce, over the next three years.
Dana Holding Corp. — a global auto parts manufacturing company — which warned of layoffs due “$24 million over the next six years in additional U.S. healthcare expenses.’’
Stryker — a medical device manufacturer — which plans to close its facility in Orchard Park, N.Y., eliminating 96 jobs in December. They also say they’ll slash 5 percent of their global workforce, about 1,170 positions.
Boston Scientific — a medical device manufacturer — said it plans to cut between 1,200 and 1,400 jobs, while shifting investments and workers overseas to China.
Medtronic — a medical device maker — which cut 500 positions over the summer, with 500 more set to be eliminated by the end of 2013.
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Companies-PlanLayoffsObamacare/2012/11/09/id/463571#ixzz2CbJMi3Ia
You dont say
November 18th, 2012
2:47 pm
What a riot
Tiberius and LLB, both who were talkng President Romney callm others programmed. Forget the brainwashing from right wing source that led them to think Romney was going to be POTUS.
hahahahahahahhaahaha
Have a great day…….. clowns
You dont say
November 18th, 2012
2:49 pm
cc
See you are still crying about your unsubtsantiated crap about Isreal.
Get your cry on as usual.
CC
November 18th, 2012
3:02 pm
I do believe that Bookman’s village is missing its resident idiot . . .
SBinF
November 18th, 2012
4:13 pm
Hey Kyle, you’re famous!
http://punditshaming.tumblr.com/
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
November 18th, 2012
4:13 pm
You dont say: LLB…callm others programmed.
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Link please.
bluecoat
November 18th, 2012
4:16 pm
Strong,sturdy briges,making concrete beautiful like having an Obamaphone in your title, just a decoration.
MarkV
November 18th, 2012
4:19 pm
Poor Tiberius: “No matter what he [MarkV] posts, he denies he ever posted it because you didn’t quote him verbatim, even though his meaning is crystal clear.”
What a horrible demand, to be quoted accurately, rather than letting others twist the meaning into what someone else thinks is “crystal clear.”
And poor cc. He just cannot win by submitting what he thinks are counter-arguments, but which are nothing of that sort.
Cc: “I think that will be my last “go ’round” with MarkV.”
Thank God for little favors.
CC
November 18th, 2012
4:25 pm
“Thank God for little favors.”
I rarely do anything that could be described as self-serving, but I’m willing to make an exception in this case.
carlosgvv
November 18th, 2012
4:46 pm
CC – 1:26 – “he’s not doing further damage to the country”
And yet, you believe that, earlier, he went on an “apology tour”. I mean, after all, Romney said he did and that makes it true. Right?
JamVet
November 18th, 2012
4:51 pm
Hitler would love you Republicans.
When he came to power in January 1933, he banned trade unions in Nazi Germany.
Fascism, in German or America, will never be tolerated.
Witness the results of 12 days ago.
Keep up the good work, brown shirts…
CC
November 18th, 2012
4:56 pm
“And yet, you believe that, earlier, he went on an “apology tour”. I mean, after all, Romney said he did and that makes it true. Right?”
What Romney said does not matter. Google “Obama’s apology tour” and educate yourself. Here’s a starter for you:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ryc3uhrU1cA
carlosgvv
November 18th, 2012
5:52 pm
CC – 4:56
I already know what he said. He simply told other countries that America is not perfect and we’ve made mistakes in the past. If you look up the word “apology” in the dictionary, you’ll see acknowledging mistakes is NOT in the definition.
I know. To cons like you, saying the US is not “blessed by God” and perfect is close to treason.
This “we’re perfect” attitude is what George Bush counted on to get his Iraq war and fulfill Biblical prophecies.
I’m sure you think we did just great in Iraq and should probably invade Iran.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
November 18th, 2012
6:09 pm
“Hitler would love you Republicans.
When he came to power in January 1933, he banned trade unions in Nazi Germany.”
And yet, no one is advocating that, AmVet.
But pardon us if we celebrate the demise of something that has the same relevance as a buggy whip.
Your hyperbole is noted and dismissed.
CC
November 18th, 2012
6:13 pm
carlosgvv @5:52 PM:
a·pol·o·gize ( -p l -j z ). intr.v. a·pol·o·gized, a·pol·o·giz·ing, a·pol·o·giz·es. 1. To
make excuse for or regretful acknowledgment of a fault or offense.
“regretful acknowledgment of a fault or offense” sounds like an aplogy to me, but I don’t know what you would call it on your planet.
“To cons like you, saying the US is not “blessed by God” and perfect is close to treason.”
That is certainly not the case now, else Obama would not be your president.
“I’m sure you think we did just great in Iraq and should probably invade Iran.”
I will hate to see us when we have to deal with Iran. The only knowledge Obama has of war is what he learned on the streets of Chicago as a community organizer. Taking on Iran would be far more responsibility than he can handle because he must always have a “fall guy” in case things don’t work out. As a leader, IF Obama takes this nation to war, he and he alone must accept credit or BLAME.
Obama will never accept responsibility for his actions when things go awry.
MarkV
November 18th, 2012
6:14 pm
This lie about an “apology tour” has been proved a lie so many times, but there are still people who keep it alive. People, who could not care less about truth.
Hillbilly D
November 18th, 2012
6:28 pm
I found this interesting. It’s about an hour.
http://booktv.org/Watch/13883/After+Words+David+Cay+Johnston+The+Fine+Print+How+Big+Companies+Use+Plain+English+to+Rob+You+Blind+hosted+by+Jayne+ODonnell+USA+Today+Money+Reporter.aspx
CC
November 18th, 2012
6:36 pm
Apparently Bookman needs to post guards. Even more of is resident idiots are escaping . . .
CC
November 18th, 2012
6:38 pm
Hillbilly D:
I watched the first five minutes, but I’ll watch it all later. Looks to be good, and thanks for posting the link!
CC
November 18th, 2012
6:42 pm
Minor correction -
Apparently Bookman needs to post guards. Even more of his resident idiots are escaping . . .
JamVet
November 18th, 2012
6:45 pm
And your electoral beatdown of 12 days ago is noted and not dismissed.
Perhaps the greatest take away from that most recent humiliation is how you cons remain intransigent and dogmatic.
Did you lose because your product sucks and more people than not don’t want to buy it?
Of course not!
You got trounced because Americans are stupid and lazy takers. Ask the resident Einstein, cc/CC.
And your self-destructive inability to change your nasty, fascist ways, to adapt to 21st century American realities and to evolve past the Jim Crow 1950s is finally starting to pay big dividends for the republic.
And I’m going to enjoy every minute of it.
CC
November 18th, 2012
6:49 pm
Baby Dawg joins the ranks of the unemployed!
“Tennessee fires football coach Derek Dooley”
This is NOT Obama’s fault!
MarkV
November 18th, 2012
6:52 pm
The noticeable thing is that while on the national scale many Republicans have seen the light and admitted the mistakes of their party and their candidate, very few on this blog have done the same. They keep bringing up the same insults and same lies.
CC
November 18th, 2012
6:56 pm
Incoming bogey at 6:45 and confirmed as hostile, but apparently unarmed!
JamVet
November 18th, 2012
6:59 pm
…on the national scale many Republicans have seen the light and admitted the mistakes of their party and their candidate…
True.
But do you think that these professional liars are actually going to make the difficult changes?
I do not.
I suspect that a couple of more electoral trouncings may do the trick though…
CC
November 18th, 2012
7:00 pm
Stray missile at 6:52: No guidance system and definitely no warhead.
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
November 18th, 2012
8:07 pm
There’s no point in trying to out-pander the Democrat party. Republicans mostly just need to stick with their American principles–free people, free markets, smaller government, more personal responsibility.
Reality will shortly be catching up to the fascist Democrat’s “business bad, moocher parasites good” fiscal and economic belief system.
You dont say
November 18th, 2012
8:12 pm
And the right cried on
Nothing new
Thanks for the laughs
You dont say
November 18th, 2012
8:20 pm
Jindal, Graham, Gingrich all making comments about loser Romney
The list will continue. They want him to just go away, but he can’t help himself
No wonder it took him so long to give his “I got my a$$ kicked speech” on election night, he was probably crying like some of the righties do on this blog and have done even more so since the election
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
November 18th, 2012
8:50 pm
“Thanks for the laughs”
———
Thanks for the $6 trillion in new debt, 8% unemployment, businesses fleeing offshore, and record numbers on the dole.
You dont say
November 18th, 2012
8:55 pm
Former Bush Commerce Secretary Carlos Gutierrez said Sunday that he was shocked by Mitt Romney’s recent comments about President Barack Obama giving “gifts” to win re-election.
“I was shocked,” the former Romney adviser told CNN’s Candy Crowley. “And frankly I don’t think that’s why Republicans lost the election. I think we lost the election because the far right of this party has taken the party to a place that it doesn’t belong.”
You dont say
November 18th, 2012
8:56 pm
LLB is out of the high chair on on his step stool
get em LLB
Dusty
November 18th, 2012
9:23 pm
Well, seems we have a devoted group here, all reading from the same script. The president is tres beau and blameless. Indeed, he is making wonderful trips abroad and may possibly return home if necessary..
Now that President Obama will soon leave the wonderful countries vital to our enhancement, i.e.Thailand, Cambodia and Myamar (aka Burma). we can celebrate this great achievement and wait for more. There’s always Andorra, Grenada and Liechtenstein to vist and check on our all important links to these countries.
Indeed how charming it was to see the president in his sock feet in the Buddhist temple with Hillary trailing along behind (no leash) and spreading more good will than Santa Claus.
He even frowned a bit over Myamar’s ethnic suppression and the home- jailing of their leading lady politician for years.. Yes, mam. we don’t think that is nice. Otherwise, throw a kiss for the king of one and the sinking dictators of others. Ah what joy for our traveler.
Americans feel so much safer and debt free. What a tonic for debt-laden Americans! We’ems got some little buddies in Cambodia, Thailand AND Myamar! Now think of that!!.
MarkV
November 18th, 2012
10:50 pm
Well, Dusty is trying hard to be sarcastic, and it still tastes as sour grapes.
East Cobb RINO, Inc. (LLC)
November 18th, 2012
11:55 pm
Pretty lights and signs for connector bridges would be about as good a way to spend money as a variable speed control system for I-285. I am in favor of spending for infrastructure but I gotta admit whatever these people are drinking/smoking when they come up with these ideas, I wish they would share with the rest of us.
bluecoat
November 19th, 2012
12:56 am
Palin for pres. 2016
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
November 19th, 2012
7:36 am
Hostess Union Clings to Hope
By RACHEL FEINTZEIG and MIKE SPECTOR
Associated Press
The union that brought the 85-year-old baker of Twinkies and Wonder Bread to its knees is holding out hope that a buyer will salvage chunks of the company and send the union’s members back to work, even as Hostess Brands Inc. gears up for a fire sale.
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What? I thought those losers were proud of what they had done? I guess they decided getting paid to do one-third the work of a non-union employee wasn’t such a bad deal after all.
JDW
November 19th, 2012
7:57 am
@bl;uecoat…”Palin for pres. 2016″
President of what…the local PTA.
CC
November 19th, 2012
8:13 am
Bill Maher and the progressive faithful called Palin a “slut”, but Sandra Fluke who wanted free birth control pills is the poster girl for the democrats? Go figure . . .
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
November 19th, 2012
8:19 am
You would think a grown woman attending the pricey Georgetown law school could afford her own birth control. That’s what the Democrat entitlement mentality will do to a parasitic slut.
the red herring
November 19th, 2012
8:45 am
a recent article (i believe it was WSJ) listed the state of ga. as having the most corrupt state govt.—still just be grateful that the TSPLOST didn’t pass in ya’lls area—it did in mine—prices will be going up at my business and all the others due to this. i’d be happy if they would just fix the potholes around where i live rather than dreaming up multi-million dollar plans to tax us more.
CC
November 19th, 2012
8:52 am
“S&P 500 Has Lost $806 Billion Since Obama’s Re-election”
http://www.newsmax.com/#ixzz2CfzmFnQU
I wonder what in the world caused this?
MarkV
November 19th, 2012
8:56 am
By comparing Thailand (63 million), Myanmar (50 million) and Cambodia (13 million) to Grenada (104 thousand), Andorra (84 thousand) and Liechtenstein (36 thousand), Dusty has made a point for those criticizing the quality of public education in the US.
iggy
November 19th, 2012
9:02 am
The USA should make use of child labor in these most recently visited Obama Satellite countries.
Keep American products affordable.
JamVet
November 19th, 2012
9:03 am
…a parasitic slut.
Gawd help me, but I do love you, Lil BB!
You are a non-Republican’s wet dream come true!
You just got your nasty neocon ass kicked, from sea to shining sea, 13 days ago for puking up malicious lies like that one.
And you’re begging for more!
Woo Hoo!
No worries, we will be glad to accommodate you hateful fools and liars…
Del
November 19th, 2012
9:12 am
If you’ve ever traveled to Greece you know it’s a beautiful country. If you haven’t traveled there don’t worry because Greece will soon be coming to you. Calls for free stuff like the calls we here from the likes of Sandra Fluke will bring Greece to America.
Darwin
November 19th, 2012
9:13 am
OK Kyle. Since the business community was all for T-SPLOST, I guess they can’t be trusted either. Or, the political party they align with.
Del
November 19th, 2012
9:13 am
Oops, hear from the likes of Sandra Fluke.
CC
November 19th, 2012
9:29 am
LBB:
“That’s what the Democrat entitlement mentality will do to a parasitic slut.”
Careful! You’re talking about JamVet’s “dream girl”! He wants to show her his Chevy Volt!
JamVet
November 19th, 2012
9:54 am
Calls for free stuff like the calls we here from the likes of Sandra Fluke…
The ex-Marines I know are not inveterate liars. And they are at least capable of learning from their mistakes.
But what the hell, apparently some cannot, nor can they learn the consequences of being childish Limbaugh-led louts.
Keep up the good work in your War on Women, cretins! Given the results of two weeks ago, it is working out fantastically for you. And the nation!
Better luck in 2024…
kevin
November 19th, 2012
9:58 am
Citizens are very easy to deceived by those who want to take advanage of them. Projects they have for what they think is necessary and not really been investigated just thrown out into wind hope we all jump on it as being something to make traffic better. Why lie to people in the first place? TSPLOST was a big joke from the beginning and they are knew it. Now, the Falcon Stadium was all part of that money but we were not told. Watch and wait, something else is already coming. If they can’t tell the truth, then they got to resign. Bottom line.
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
November 19th, 2012
10:00 am
It isn’t a “War on Women”, it’s a war on sloth, envy, greed, and ignorance. Tell us why a working family should have to pay for Sandra Fluke’s birth control.
And I call her a slut because it’s so much fun watching the receptacles go nuts over it! Thanks for playing.
JamVet
November 19th, 2012
10:06 am
Tell us why a working family should have to pay for Sandra Fluke’s birth control.
Better yet, tell us why you too are an inveterate liar. And why you make up infantile stories like this.
Then tell us why you just got annihilated all around the country two weeks ago.
Or don’t. (Playing stupid to perfection suits you guys to a tee.)
Either way, LOL at you nasty neocons…
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
November 19th, 2012
10:07 am
Didn’t think so.
Del
November 19th, 2012
10:13 am
I’m a former Marine the only ex-Marines are those who were dishonorably discharged. However even those ex-Marines dishonorably discharged are still a cut above those who dishonorably disparage traditional America and who allow themselves to be led by the nose through disinformation along with misinformation fed to them by such communist propaganda machines like media matters, the daily Kos, the huffington post or move-on-dot org. The left can savor their short lived victory for now but as the ax begins to falls on our economic house of cards they’ll be scurrying like rats in a sewer their party of irresponsibility created.
Hey, Remember That T-SPLOST Thing? — Peach Pundit
November 19th, 2012
10:14 am
[...] · 0 comments TweetWhile many of us are trying to forget the November election, Kyle Wingfield has the audacity to remind us of the failure that was T-SPLOST. Why bring up this unpleasantness? Because the state DOT is going to spend $5 Million of [...]
JamVet
November 19th, 2012
10:20 am
Lil BB, I remember reading your posts under your previous names (before being banned next door) and thinking, “Certainly this guy is NOT representative of Georgia Republicans! Certainly, they are not this myopic and out of touch with reality and decency! And certainly they are not all this self-destructive!”
But after years of very close observation, i am willing to do what no neocon ever does.
Admit that I was wrong.
As far as I can tell, the only hope is that your children and family members find you as repulsive as the rest of us and go the other direction.
Only then will the GOP stand a chance of not being annihilated in more upcoming elections.
But wither way, the USA wins! And Rush Limbaugh loves those of you incapable of thinking for yourselves.)
(And no, he who willfully and stupidly lies about decent American women, you are an ex-marine…)
CC
November 19th, 2012
10:21 am
Del@10:13 am:
Great post, and every word of it so very true!
Hey, Remember That T-SPLOST Thing?
November 19th, 2012
10:22 am
[...] many of us are trying to forget the November election, Kyle Wingfield has the audacity to remind us of the failure that was T-SPLOST. Why bring up this unpleasantness? Because the state DOT is going to spend $5 Million of [...]
Del
November 19th, 2012
10:26 am
CC, thanks…the ranting bolshevik is always trying to spread hard-left pollution on Kyles blog as well. Nothing new.
Dusty
November 19th, 2012
10:37 am
Dear MarkV
I appreciate your concern for my education (which is extensive). Perhaps your concern should be centered on your intolerance of anyone who does not share your impenetrable political opinion.
My last post concerned the importance of said countries to the USA. The importance of Thailand, Cambodia and Myamar seems as little as that of the smallest countries in the world Andorra, Grenada and Liechtenstein.The was the point you wished to ignore.
Tthe president could spend another week visiting countries of little importance. You would still avoid speaking of the president’s unimportant travel and avoid that subject entirely. While Gaza burns and rocket bombs, Israel fights back, Europe’s finances wobble and the USA is debt ridden, the president had rather do some traveling. You, in the meantime, try to demean anyone who mention the ineffectiveness of the president.
Continue your hero worshiip. I will continue to consider the dilemmas that face this country. But not the president. Seems he had rather travel.
Stars and Stripes
November 19th, 2012
10:38 am
cc
You served when and in which branch?
JamVet
November 19th, 2012
10:52 am
Poor, ex-marine. Still stuck on McCarthy stupid.
And the crybaby Alan West says hello from the private sector!
Stars and Stripes
November 19th, 2012
10:53 am
“You, in the meantime, try to demean anyone who mention the ineffectiveness of the president. ”
And you demean all others who do not follow your political views.
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» Hey, Remember That T-SPLOST Thing? Marvin Arrington Jr.
November 19th, 2012
11:05 am
[...] many of us are trying to forget the November election, Kyle Wingfield has the audacity to remind us of the failure that was T-SPLOST. Why bring up this unpleasantness? Because the state DOT is going to spend $5 Million of [...]
Dusty
November 19th, 2012
11:48 am
Stars and Stripes, Just Saying or Say What…whatever ID you are using today @10:53
I disagree with Mark V just like he disagrees with me. Nothing new there. Sometimes he says “liar”. Sometimes I say “demean”. So it goes…zzzzz.
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
November 19th, 2012
12:18 pm
JamVet certainly has put his ignorance of our Marines on display.
Trying to score points with the democrat military-loathers…sad.
Glenn Beck
November 19th, 2012
12:43 pm
LLB
Tell is about your service………….. in the Cub Scouts.
MarkV
November 19th, 2012
12:56 pm
Dusty @ 10:37 am
“My last post concerned the importance of said countries to the USA. The importance of Thailand, Cambodia and Myamar seems as little as that of the smallest countries in the world Andorra, Grenada and Liechtenstein.The was the point you wished to ignore. “
That was the point I did not ignore, and which again puts Dusty’s education into question.
MarkV
November 19th, 2012
1:13 pm
Dusty @ 10:37 am
“My last post concerned the importance of said countries to the USA. The importance of Thailand, Cambodia and Myamar seems as little as that of the smallest countries in the world Andorra, Grenada and Liechtenstein.The was the point you wished to ignore. “
Here are some 2011 US export/import numbers for the countries Dusty compared, in $ millions:
Thailand 10,899.5/24,830.0; Cambodia 185.6/ 2,712.4
Grenada 81.8/ 6.7; Andorra5.2/ 0.6 Lichtenstein 62.3/ 250.5
Furthermore, there is the geopolitical difference between those groups of countries, which is equally substantial. As for Myanmar, it is important to help the democratic reforms happening there, rather than ignore the country.
MarkV
November 19th, 2012
1:13 pm
Dusty @ 10:37 am
“My last post concerned the importance of said countries to the USA. The importance of Thailand, Cambodia and Myamar seems as little as that of the smallest countries in the world Andorra, Grenada and Liechtenstein.The was the point you wished to ignore. “
Here are some 2011 US export/import numbers for the countries Dusty compared, in $ millions:
Thailand 10,899.5/24,830.0; Cambodia 185.6/ 2,712.4
Grenada 81.8/ 6.7; Andorra5.2/ 0.6 Lichtenstein 62.3/ 250.5
Furthermore, there is the geopolitical difference between those groups of countries, which is equally substantial. As for Myanmar, it is important to help the democratic reforms happening there, rather than ignore the country.
MarkV
November 19th, 2012
1:14 pm
Sorry about the accidental double post
CC
November 19th, 2012
1:32 pm
“And the crybaby Alan West says hello from the private sector!”
You could never fill his shoes, nor would he even allow you to shine them!
CC
November 19th, 2012
1:33 pm
. . . and that’s “Colonel West” to you . . .
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
November 19th, 2012
1:41 pm
Glenn Beck: LLB…Tell is about your service
———-
Same as your Idiot Messiah.
One need not have served in the military to have great respect for them.
Why do you, JamVet and your ilk hate the military?
CC
November 19th, 2012
1:45 pm
Glenn Beck:
Why don’t YOU tell us about your service?
Dusty
November 19th, 2012
1:55 pm
MarkV
Please judge your own education instead of mine. Your evaluation is prejudiced. political.and uninformed.
No matter how you like to support the president’s every move, the importance of trade with any country besides China is of less importance than issues in the USA. You can support other countries from home but it is not as much fun as traveling, bowing & scraping, and letting someone else handle mammoth problems at home. .
MarkV
November 19th, 2012
1:56 pm
Dusty,
I do not “try to demean anyone who mentions the ineffectiveness of the president. “ Also, I do not have “intolerance of anyone who does not share” my “impenetrable political opinion.” Also, I have a rather high tolerance for people trying to demean me.
I do have intolerance for statements that demean the elected president of this country on the basis of ignorance, false accusations and lies. You recent sarcastic comment about countries fell into the first category and you just dug yourself deeper when you tried to defend it instead of admitting your error. What is truly demeaning, and it is more to the writer than to the President, is to call President’s official visits “some travelling.”
I could have mentioned other factors, such as that foreign travel like that is arranged long before it happens, the events in Israel and Gaza happened very recently, and all that the President can do about them can be done from the board of Air Force One. As for Europe’s finances and US debt, I seriously doubt that the few days of President’s travel will make any difference.
If I wanted to characterize your post @ 9:23 pm by one word, “petty” comes to mind. I am sure you could do better.
Glenn Beck
November 19th, 2012
2:00 pm
CC
US Army: 87 to 93
And you tough guy?
Like LLB I guess…………… Maybe a year in the Cub Scouts? LBB couldn’t even hack that.
Glenn Beck
November 19th, 2012
2:03 pm
“Why do you, JamVet and your ilk hate the military?”
LLB was cut as an armchair qb. He could not even do that.
Chairborne Rangers was too tough for him.
LLB thinks putting a made in China US Flag magnet on his car means he is a patriot.
Weak mind, body and soul you are LLB.
Dusty
November 19th, 2012
3:20 pm
Mark V
You have epitomized your own characteristics. Rude, blind and conceited.
You refuse to see any fault with the president as he goes into his second term with a failing first term behind him. You give the impression that everything is fine. Imagine!!
You perform like a trained seal who jumps for Democrats and I can’t understand it. Do you ever read the news?
Reflect on my education all you want. I fear for your mind when I read your comments.. .
MarkV
November 19th, 2012
3:41 pm
Dusty,
Your post might have a smidgen of persuasiveness if you have bothered to support it with any evidence. But that is what you never do.
I was rude? Where?
“You refuse to see any fault with the president …”
How do you know that? Are you a mind reader?
“perform like a trained seal who jumps for Democrats?”
Again, where do you get these brilliant pieces of knowledge? “
”I can’t understand it.”
Now, this is where I agree. Not understanding definitely seems your forte.
“Do you ever read the news? “
Probably more than you do, considering your posts.
“Reflect on my education all you want.”
Oh, I have no desire to do that. I have seen the results.
Kyle Wingfield
November 19th, 2012
4:08 pm
All right, Dusty and MarkV. I think that’s enough fighting between you two.
MarkV
November 19th, 2012
4:23 pm
Kyle,
It is your blog, and you can make such a decision, but frankly, I find it puzzling. This is an old blog, most comments are off the subject anyway. And you can hardy accuse either of us of being terribly rude, insulting, or anything like that, compared with other posts you keep allowing. If you paid any attention, you would have found that my exchanges with Dusty, and vice versa, while clearly from very opposite sides, are actually on a fairly friendly basis, and while I can speak only for myself, I do care about what Dusty thinks. We do not hesitate to be cutting, but within limits, limits that are being crossed much more by others.
And while I am writing this, I have question for you. Would you please define what you call “gratuitous name-calling ,“ and explain why, for instance, calling the democratically elected President “Obozo,” or calling a university student Sandra Fluke “a parasitic slut,” do not qualify?
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
November 19th, 2012
4:30 pm
Glenn Beck: LLB thinks putting a made in China US Flag magnet on his car means he is a patriot.
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Funny you should direct your bile and hatred in my direction, Glenn, when it is your buddy JamVet who attacked a Marine on this blog simply because he didn’t support Dear Leader.
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
November 19th, 2012
4:36 pm
Grow up, MarkV. Your whining about my calling Obozo “Obozo” reveals a skin so thin that it makes me wonder what the next step would be for you. Shall we arrest and jail someone for calling Obozo “Obozo”? I think you and your ilk are coming quite close to proposing such things.
If you can’t handle such blasphemy, perhaps a political blog is not the place for you.
Kyle Wingfield
November 19th, 2012
4:37 pm
MarkV: I asked you and Dusty to knock it off because your exchange was pointless. You’re not even arguing about anything anymore.
As for your question, see rule No. 2. And let’s not pretend that Sandra Fluke is a mere “university student” at this point — she was a primetime speaker at the DNC this year, among other things. I think she qualifies as a public figure at this point. (Which is not to say I agree with the referenced characterization of her.)
CC
November 19th, 2012
5:02 pm
“she was a primetime speaker at the DNC this year, among other things” and a mere pawn in Obama’s reelection quest.
Glenn Beck
November 19th, 2012
5:09 pm
LLB
Did you serve in anything besides the church or school choir?
Since I do not know Jamvet, quit being the known liar you love to be.
Jam and the blogger he was responding to seemed to handle their own situation.
I do not nor have I ever spoke for him or said I did.
Glenn Beck
November 19th, 2012
5:17 pm
Barry
If you can’t handle the election results maybe a political blog is not the place for you.
Is there a reason you haven’t mentioned President Romney in a few weeks? It seemed to be prevalent in your posts not so long ago.
MarkV
November 19th, 2012
5:22 pm
Kyle,
I disagree with your opinion that my exchanges with Dusty were “pointless,” and that we were “ not even arguing about anything anymore.” I find your judgment very selective, considering many other exchanges you have had no problems with.
As for Sandra Fluke, I asked my question exactly because she qualified as a public figure, and with full knowledge of your rule #2, which refers to name calling of public figures and your right “to take down comments that include gratuitous name-calling about anyone.“ The fact that you find calling ANYONE without justification ”a parasitic slut” something not requiring action speaks for itself and of your standards.
Lil' Barry Bailout -Vote American
November 19th, 2012
6:25 pm
Glenn Beck: Is there a reason you haven’t mentioned President Romney in a few weeks?
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Yes. The parasites won, which of course means that Americans lost.
Duh!
They BOTH suck
November 19th, 2012
6:41 pm
LLB
Well seeing that the demographics show that Obama won a percentage of votes of all income levels, etc……. keep up your crying and loser mentality.
No one is surprised…….. baby Barry.
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
November 19th, 2012
6:44 pm
The results I saw said Romney won a majority of those earning more than $50K a year. No one claimed he would get the vote of every productive American.
Glenn Beck
November 19th, 2012
6:51 pm
Barry
Hopefully you will be alright. I know the crying as been unstoppable, but get a grip.
Romney was a weak candidate; just listen to some of the Republicans who just want him to STFU already and go away.
Your crying and moaning only shows that you are unable to deal with conflict and come to resolution on issues. That is not good for business.
Be a man for a change. Well I am assuming that you are a man. Either way, be an adult and accept defeat.
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
November 19th, 2012
6:57 pm
No need to worry, Glenn, I’ll be just fine. I’ve got mine.
Glenn Beck
November 19th, 2012
7:03 pm
Glenn
Same here but still working hard. Went straight to military after high school. Got out after 6 yrs; worked and went to college. Worked for major corporation for a number of years and now own a small consulting business.
It is funny to read where people like you talk about the left as moochers as if the right doesn’t have any.
I’m nothing special, but my income would probably surprise you. You know for someone, like me that you love to throw narrow minded, ignorant insults at and claim “hates” the military that I served in.
Glenn Beck
November 19th, 2012
7:06 pm
Stay strong little Barry.
You seem to get too emotional over politics. I have my leanings but never allow it to get in the way of good family, friend and business relationships.