Dear people signing secessionist petitions . . .

Stop. Just stop.

If you haven’t heard, a number of pro-secession petitions have cropped up on the White House website’s page for public petitions. When I checked earlier today, there were petitions for “peaceful withdrawal” from the U.S. by 20 states. Not all of them went for Mitt Romney last week, or are in the South: There were also petitions for such states as Michigan, New Jersey, New York and Oregon.

It should go without saying that these petitions a) aren’t going to lead to any kind of action and b) aren’t supported by the vast majority of people who voted against President Obama. If you could cross-check the two groups, I suspect there would be a lot of overlap between the petition signers and birthers.

To those who are signing these petitions out of a sense of anger or exasperation or desperation, let me say this:

Maybe you believe all hope is lost now that we’re getting four more years of Obama. There are a lot of possibilities for his second term that I’m not happy about, either. Quite the opposite, as should be clear from pretty much everything I’ve written on this blog.

But the election, while not all that close in terms of the margin in the Electoral College, was rather close to producing a different outcome. By the count of National Review’s Jim Geraghty, Romney fell short by a combined 407,000 votes in four states that, had he won them, could have pushed him to 275 electoral votes and the White House. I point this out not to engage in wishful “what ifs,” just to observe that it was very much possible to have gotten an outcome that would have had the left in a fit of apoplexy instead.

And when the nation is that closely divided, the conclusion in my view is not to decide it actually needs to divide in two. Rather, it’s that it wouldn’t take much next time to earn a more amenable outcome.

To do that, Republicans have to make some necessary but hardly revolutionary changes. But it does not help them do that when there are people signing petitions that confirm the worst stereotypes the left can dredge up about the right. Let’s face it: In light of the need to appeal to a wider swath of the electorate, comparisons to the Civil War do not aid the cause.

So, please: Find another outlet for whatever energy you’re expending on this kind of junk.

NOTE: The comments thread on this post has long since devolved into mostly personal attacks, so I’m shutting it down. A new post will be up soon, and a number of you may be facing some time away from the blog. I’m not sure yet which will happen first.

– By Kyle Wingfield

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504 comments Add your comment

Hillbilly D

November 12th, 2012
3:44 pm

If folks want to sign petitions, that’s their right. It’s really nothing to get excited about.

As for the country being divided, it’s always been divided. The only time it was ever united for any period of time was WWII. That’s not apt to change.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

November 12th, 2012
3:46 pm

Articles of Impeachment is what we should be drawing up.

saywhat?

November 12th, 2012
3:48 pm

Perhaps our secessionists could instead focus their energy on distinguishing between reality and their FOX News-right wing echo chamber reinforced delusions of SOCIALISM!!!!END OF THE COUNTRY AS WE KNOW IT!!!! HES GOING TO TAKE OUR GUNS!!!!!etc.

cowboy67

November 12th, 2012
3:50 pm

407,000 votes? Yea and if my aunt had onions she would be my uncle get over it the R’s lost and will continue to do so with this wack ignorant the sky is falling thinking

jms

November 12th, 2012
3:51 pm

Can we do away with the electoral college now?

carlosgvv

November 12th, 2012
3:51 pm

I find it interesting that so many people who swear to be patriotic Americans prefer to “cut and run” rather than stay and work within the sytem for improvment. I wish there were some place they could go. America would be better off withou them.

They BOTH suck

November 12th, 2012
3:53 pm

Impeachment?

hahahahahaha

:-)

Must be colic again. Kyle might need to burp him burp him.

Jaynie

November 12th, 2012
3:53 pm

Mitt Romney lost in a close election. Whoever you voted for, the election is over and now is the time to stop the endless bickering and complaining about who did what to whom during the runup to the election. The far right nor the far left represents most Americans. Don’t draw lines in the sand and not expect to have someone step over that line. There is room for all viewpoints and compromise should not be a curse word for either party.

They BOTH suck

November 12th, 2012
3:57 pm

Kyle

Like both parties and majority of elected officials, whether it be for legitimate reasons or for political expediency, the Republicans will evolve and continue to be a viable force in the political arena. The lunatics on both sides have been around for years and years and will not be going anywhere.

Progressive Humanist

November 12th, 2012
3:58 pm

I say let the traitors walk. They won’t be missed. Except they can’t take the state with them. Georgia will remain part of the good ole USA, just as the majority of patriotic Georgians would have it. As for the anti-American traitors, we should buy them a free ticket to any other country in the world that will have them. I hear Iran is warm this time of year.

William Pierce

November 12th, 2012
4:04 pm

I hope South Carolina shoots first again.

Progressive Humanist

November 12th, 2012
4:06 pm

Romney got fewer votes than McCain did. And this in a year with a highly vulnerable incumbent. It has literally been a generation since a Republican won the popular vote by more than the 2.5%-3% that Obama will have won by in 2012 when all the votes are counted. Republicans have lost 5 out of the last 6 popular votes. I hope you cons continue to think that it was a close election and that with just a little luck here or there you would have had it, because by believing that you’re much more likely to stay the same course. And the longer the fringe lunatics control your party as they do now, the longer Democrats will find themselves in the White House.

Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!

November 12th, 2012
4:08 pm

Did the traitorous Democrats who moved to Canada during Our President Bush’s administration ever come back? Oh, right, they didn’t have the guts to follow through.

East Cobb RINO, Inc (LLC)

November 12th, 2012
4:11 pm

Articles of Impeachment is what we should be drawing up.

Now let us play out that fantasy.
1) Republican controlled House votes to impeach
2) Democrat controlled Senate finds there is nothing to impeach

Yes that is definitely the single most important issue the country faces right now. 2 out of 3 branches of the federal government have nothing better to do.

JDW

November 12th, 2012
4:12 pm

“Can we do away with the electoral college now?”

Funny what happens to those “Strict Constitutionalists” when they perceive The Constitution as inconvenient.

jasper

November 12th, 2012
4:13 pm

Just wish people could/would view the President as the mostly-centrist politician he is and not the America-destroying (choose your derogatory adjective) portrayed by the right. If you think liberals are all in, in regards to Obama, you would be quite wrong. Romney’s positions came very close to Obama’s toward the end of the campaign. Obama, thus, must not be near the socialist ogre he is portrayed as. I had said all along that if W Bush deserved two terms, Obama did by a longshot. Fair-minded americans must have felt so as well. That 400,000 or so votes does seem small considering Romney reportedly got 2 million less votes that McCain. That’s pretty amazing.

Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed

November 12th, 2012
4:14 pm

A couple of points:

While I believe that it is inevitable the the U.S. breaks up into separate countries eventually, the time is not now. We’ll survive Obama, even if he will put us on an irreparable course towards a breakup that will happen in about 50 years or so

Traitors are Presidents who go to bed while their ambassador is pleading for rescue.

If this is true (and I’m not vouching for the veracity of this site’s reporting), this is VERY disturbing. The explanation right now is that over voting is due to two ballot “cards” being available and some voters didn’t vote on both. Not impossible, but not likely, either:

http://www.texasgopvote.com/knowledge-topics/2012-elections/florida-s-allen-west-demanding-honest-vote-count-face-apparent-election-004818

Oh, and I’m not a big fan of Col. West, so don’t jump on that particular bandwagon, OK?

East Cobb RINO, Inc (LLC)

November 12th, 2012
4:14 pm

Can we do away with the electoral college now?

Should have done that 13 years ago. May not be in the mess we are in now.

Stephenson Billings

November 12th, 2012
4:16 pm

“Romney got fewer votes than McCain did”

And Obama got a whole lot less votes than he did in 2008. What’s your point?

These Lying Eyes!!!

November 12th, 2012
4:16 pm

Lil Barry…. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH…..smh…..HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! ( Whew, that was funny)

Steven

November 12th, 2012
4:16 pm

The polls had Obama leading Mitt all the time. The Fox News crew did not want to believe it. It was a pleasure watching Karl Rove get sooooooo frustrated, not to mention Dick Morris! You right-wingers will survive just like we survived George Bush. Just do me a favor though before you go from the UNION, go take Allan West from Florida with you! LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLO

Captain Midnight

November 12th, 2012
4:16 pm

When the taxpayers stop picking up the tab of parent(S) who refuse to pay the hospital bills for the delivery of these children,stop paying the grocery bills (EBT,WIC) and the housing (Sec 8) of these people knowingly working the system regardless of race. Stop the gravy train and alot of the problems will solve themselves.

Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!

November 12th, 2012
4:18 pm

JDW: Funny what happens to those “Strict Constitutionalists” when they perceive The Constitution as inconvenient.
———

Who claimed to be a strict constitutionalist and then complained about the Electoral College?

Sister Sarah

November 12th, 2012
4:19 pm

“When I checked earlier today, there were petitions for ‘peaceful withdrawal’ from the U.S. by 20 states”

So are we to read more into that? What’s the other option, “non-peaceful”? Is that some type of veiled threat the to the government or its citizens? People need to get over themselves, like a bunch of spolied brats.

Stephenson Billings

November 12th, 2012
4:19 pm

And Bill Clinton got less than 50% of the popular vote both times he was elected.

Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!

November 12th, 2012
4:19 pm

When did Rush make that threat?

Didn’t think so.

Liar.

Stephenson Billings

November 12th, 2012
4:21 pm

“Did the traitorous Regressives who threatened to move to Canada as a result of Our President Obama’s reelection ever leave? Oh, right, they didn’t have the guts to follow through.”

Kinda like all those big time libs who stated they would leave the country if Bush was elected….

Sister Sarah

November 12th, 2012
4:21 pm

“And Obama got a whole lot less votes than he did in 2008. What’s your point?”

He WON….BOTH TIMES!!! That’s the point. LOL.

Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!

November 12th, 2012
4:22 pm

You forgot to back up your claim, JohnQ

Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed

November 12th, 2012
4:22 pm

“And this in a year with a highly vulnerable incumbent.”

Obama was only vulnerable until his willing minions in the media thought he was. Then they ramped up their playbook.

Progressive Humanist

November 12th, 2012
4:23 pm

@ Billings @ 4:16- My point is that Obama won the popular vote by 3 million people (that’s 3,000,000 citizens). And he stomped Romney in the electoral college. This was not a close election. Get it?

trog

November 12th, 2012
4:24 pm

Lil Barry, who has been wrong about everything for years, has the gall to call someone a liar? Amazing. At least we know where the lil’ comes from: he’s obviously a smallish man who feels the need to talk tall. Funny, actually. Either that or it refers to the size of his brain.

Banderson

November 12th, 2012
4:25 pm

If you’re impressed that 407,000 changing their vote form Obama to Romney would have changed the election, you’ll really be impressed that if only 155,000 Georgian’s had switched from Romney to Obama, Obama would have carried Georgia.

Sister Sarah

November 12th, 2012
4:25 pm

@Lil’ Barry Bailout – OBAMAPHONE!!!
November 12th, 2012
4:19 pm

http://video.theweek.com/video/Rush-Limbaugh-threatens-to-leav#c=367LW12LT9SJ76FD&t=Rush%20Limbaugh%20threatens%20to%20leave%20U.S.

And you wonder why so many people never take you seriously or have no real respect for your arguments? Sad.

Citizen of the World

November 12th, 2012
4:26 pm

I guess these secessionists have forgotten how few — make that none! — of their doomsday scenarios from four years ago ever came to pass. Here they are getting themselves all worked up again. Just take some deep breaths and save your energy for real developments with which you take issue, not a bunch of ridiculous speculation about THE END OF AMERICA AS WE KNOW IT. (Which, BTW, it looks like you yourself are trying to bring about with your secessionist tantrum, so quit blaming President Obama.)

Aynie Sue

November 12th, 2012
4:26 pm

The secessionist movement may be a looming problem. Look at a USA map with the states colored red (Republican) and blue (Democrat) according to the majority of votes in the last election. Note that the boundary between red and blue states is similar to the Union/Confederacy division in the 1860s.

Let’s face it! Many Americans in the Southern and Middle Western states do not agree with the opening paragraph of the US Constitution, all that stuff about liberty and justice for all, etc..

Mr. Snarky

November 12th, 2012
4:27 pm

Sage advice. To bad there are so many hysterical yahoos on the right.

jasper

November 12th, 2012
4:28 pm

“Obama was only vulnerable until his willing minions in the media thought he was.”

This is the delusional thinking that will insure a long run of victories for the Democrats.

Progressive Humanist

November 12th, 2012
4:29 pm

I actually really like the fact that the polls tightened up somewhat after the first debate. Up until then conservatives were about to dump Romney and begin putting more money into Senate races. But instead they got their hopes up and believed the “skewed” polls were underestimating Romney’s chances. They began to really think he was going to win. It wouldn’t have been nearly as much fun to watch them fall apart and wilt into hysterics if they hadn’t gotten their hopes up so much. But that’s what happens when you live in a fantasy world. That fantasy world came crashing down when reality smacked them in the face last Tuesday.

Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed

November 12th, 2012
4:33 pm

“Let’s face it! Many Americans in the Southern and Middle Western states do not agree with the opening paragraph of the US Constitution, all that stuff about liberty and justice for all, etc..”

Sadly, it is the blue states that have forgotten the meaning of the Constitution, Aynie, Sue.

If they ever bothered to learn it.

jasper

November 12th, 2012
4:34 pm

Someone must have struck a nerve. Lil’ barry has gone poof. Kind of like the timid man-behind-the-curtain that he is.

Stephenson Billings

November 12th, 2012
4:35 pm

“My point is that Obama won the popular vote by 3 million people (that’s 3,000,000 citizens). And he stomped Romney in the electoral college. This was not a close election”

What does that have to do with Romney getting fewer votes than McCain in 2008? And it was a close election (popular vote-wise), especially compared to 2004 and 2008. And Obama was the first incumbent to be re-elected with fewer votes than when he was elected the first time.

Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed

November 12th, 2012
4:35 pm

John Q, I am specifically and nicely asking you to stop equating me with LBB. We are two very different posters, with two sets of very different beliefs.

Your paranoia about this is really a bit creepy.

Lynnie Gal

November 12th, 2012
4:36 pm

Kyle, I agree with you. Such behavior makes one remember the issues the Civil War was fought over (psst…you guys…the U.S. won!) and so it reeks of racism. It must be difficult having nuts like this in your party. I feel for you.
On the other hand, should these fine, racist “Americans” actually want to leave the U.S. to form their own country, let’s call it the Aryan States, I’d be in favor of that. (I heard that Jet Blue is offering one-way tickets out of the country for those who want to leave because of the election.) I would then have to re-think my position on border fences.

Stephenson Billings

November 12th, 2012
4:37 pm

“Demographic voting is the new norm in America. You vote based on who you are, not where you live or how well each campaign has articulated its case. 93% of blacks, 70% of Latinos, 60% of those under 30, and 62% of single people, voted for Obama. And white married couples over 30 years of age voted for Romney. Not much else matters. A president who was elected and re-elected through identity politics has brought about a state of affairs where demographic voting determines the outcome. Our votes are predictable based on our race, ethnicity, age, and marital status well before anybody does any campaigning.”

Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed

November 12th, 2012
4:38 pm

And BTW, John Q, if you’ll note that there are two posts at 4:22 – one from LBB and one from me.

Physically impossible if we are the same person.

Kyle Wingfield

November 12th, 2012
4:40 pm

Aynie Sue @ 4:26: That is a historically ignorant comment. “Bleeding Kansas” is red, as are border-states Kentucky, Missouri and Oklahoma — while Virginia, where the Confederate capital was for most of the war, is purple and trending more blue. Florida is firmly purple.

The present situation is a lot more nuanced than you let on, and your comment is about as useful as the secessionist petitions are.

Tsu Doh Nimh

November 12th, 2012
4:41 pm

Kyle Wingfield
Dear people signing secessionist petitions . . .

No need for petitions if Obama were a shrewd bidnezzman.
He’d spin off those non-performing Red Southern states.
Let them form a theocracy or merge with another third world country….Mexico.

jasper

November 12th, 2012
4:41 pm

Republicans likeTiberius need to go back and read “The Boy that Cried Wolf”. Perhaps if they hadn’t been screaming ” the end of America” since day one of Obama’s presidency, the media, and Americans in general might have given a little more traction to their machinations. The wailing never stopped, 24/7, for four years. People quit paying attention.

Aquagirl

November 12th, 2012
4:41 pm

the conclusion in my view is not to decide it actually needs to divide in two. Rather, it’s that it wouldn’t take much next time to earn a more amenable outcome.

This sore loserdom is ridiculous. The president was duly elected according to our Constitution, he represents ALL Americans whether you voted for him or not.

Sitting around with a pout face biding time until your next chance is why nothing can get done in Washington.