Charter schools amendment points the way for Georgia GOP
Republicans are doing some soul-searching after losing the presidential election and some winnable U.S. Senate contests. The Georgia GOP should be similarly self-reflective after delivering the second-smallest margin among states won by Mitt Romney.
The same demographic trends Romney failed to overcome are increasingly apparent in Georgia. Republicans here must learn to win over voters they typically haven’t attracted. Fortunately for them, Tuesday also offered a template for doing so: the successful charter schools amendment.
The referendum to affirm a state role in creating these public schools was passed in a Republican-dominated Legislature with crucial, but limited, Democratic support; was endorsed by our Republican governor; was opposed by the state Democratic Party; drew much-scrutinized financial support from wealthy Republicans outside Georgia; and was slammed in a radio ad by a civil-rights icon, the Rev. Joseph Lowery, as a precursor to resegregation.
Yet in Clayton, DeKalb and Fulton counties, home to about a third of all Democrats and black registered voters in Georgia, 72 percent of voters backed President Barack Obama’s re-election — and 66 percent approved the charter schools amendment. And why not? The students and parents in those counties face some of the most dysfunctional school systems in the state.
In all, the amendment got 62 percent in pro-Obama counties, 56 percent in pro-Romney counties.
Georgia Republicans have big trouble in big cities, but the amendment won in every single county where at least 40,000 people voted on it. And it got 65 percent of the vote in the 10-county metro Atlanta region – where the T-SPLOST was defeated in July by 62 percent of the voters.
It may seem odd to liken the passage of the GOP-led charter schools amendment to the defeat of the GOP-created T-SPLOST. But the pairing offers some important lessons.
Each contest featured a coalition of mostly suburban “movement” conservatives and mostly urban black Democrats that has rarely, if ever, figured into Georgia politics.
Why did these groups come together? In part, it’s because the losing side in each referendum essentially argued, “Trust us.”
For the T-SPLOST, it was the state transportation apparatus and the politicians who like to meddle with it. For the amendment — despite opponents’ efforts to tie it to the same politicians — it was the educational establishment that runs local public school districts.
Decades of experience left Georgians wary of trusting either group. There’s an opportunity here.
Republicans often talk about financial waste in public services. They’re less adept at addressing these services’ failings from users’ perspective.
This is less true when it comes to education. The amendment was a chance to reach out to non-Republicans with a solution for improving public education for them. There will be more chances — soon, I hope.
On transportation, the Georgia GOP shouldn’t talk about privatizing MARTA, for example, purely as a way to save money. As long as DeKalb and Fulton have a sales tax for transit, MARTA isn’t likely to cost taxpayers less.
But Republicans could promote privatization as a way to improve transit without spending more money. In my 2010 series on MARTA, I estimated the agency could increase bus services by about one-eighth (over 2008 levels) without increasing spending, by privatizing buses the way some cities out West have.
If Georgia Republicans don’t find a way to promote conservative principles with new blocs of voters, the choice won’t be theirs much longer.
– By Kyle Wingfield
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carlosgvv
November 9th, 2012
5:36 pm
The Charter schools amendment definitely points the way for GOP Georgia parents. Now they can put themselves on school boards and insure that creationism and anti-science courses are a majority of the subjects their children take.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
November 9th, 2012
5:42 pm
True to form, when a lib sees a freebie, they go for it. If they had to pay more for the charter schools, they’d let the kids grow up stoopid, like them.
Hillbilly D
November 9th, 2012
5:46 pm
It’s no secret that I voted against Amendment 1 but I really don’t think it’s passing here has much national relevance, one way or the other. I’m still thinking it’ll wind up being a jobs program for a group of un-elected/appointed cronies but we’ll see.
Banderson
November 9th, 2012
5:54 pm
Does this mean that Georgia’s GOP will be putting a preamble before its candidates’ names? Something like, “(GOP candidate’s name) provides for improving citizen achievement and citizen involvement through more options.” It worked for the amendment, so it might help.
MarkV
November 9th, 2012
6:04 pm
While I have a neutral position on the charter school amendment, I believe the passage of the amendment had much less to do with what Kyle suggests, and most to do with the language, which was clearly inappropriate.
Rockerfeller Republican
November 9th, 2012
6:04 pm
Hillbilly, go get yourself a life. The members of the charter commission are UNPAID. One of the strongest leaders of the former commission was Dr. Charles Knapp, former UGA president and he is NO cronie.
Carlos, what color is the sky in your world? Do you not notice how much our public education system is in need of reform? You must be too busy analyzing the Zapruter film for a second shooter to notice.
Rockerfeller Republican
November 9th, 2012
6:08 pm
Mark, why is targeting higher parental evolvement and increased student achievement misleading? I am so tired of the same cry babies who want better for children and society yet do not want it if it means things will change with the status quo.
cc
November 9th, 2012
6:30 pm
Rockerfeller Republican:
Did someone kick you out of the wrong side of the bed this morning?
MarkV
November 9th, 2012
6:30 pm
Rockerfeller Republican @6:08 pm
A simple reason: When you are asking people to decide on a proposal, you do not tell them that it will result in improvement. That is for them to decide, and vote accordingly. As was already mentioned in different words, how would you like, for instance, the Presidential candidate you oppose to be described on a ballot as “Mr. X, who will improve the country’s economy.”?
cc
November 9th, 2012
6:34 pm
“Off topic, I know, but here’s an excellent article from Hendrik Herzberg of the New Yorker. Food for R thought, methinks:”
Why the link? It appears that you posted the whole article!
Alter Ego
November 9th, 2012
6:50 pm
@cc
No kidding. The New Yorker such a fine example of unbiased journalism it needed posting twice.
I voted for amendment 1, and I’m glad it passed, disqualifying efforts from the special interests nonwithst
Rockefeller Republican
November 9th, 2012
6:53 pm
Mark, the intent is to offer public school options which increase parental involvement and student outcomes. As that is the intent, 59% of Georgians said, “YES” we want just that. I find NOTHING misleading.
Bob
November 9th, 2012
7:03 pm
Carlos, it seems as though inner city parents are tired of libs running failing schools in their neighborhoods. Its funny that leftists such as yourself call repubs anti science for nor caving to treehuggers. Science says we have been warming and cooling as far back as real scientists can look. In fact, earth was once totally frozen, thank goodness for warming ! Did you know that real science tells us that the Sahara desert has changed form desert to wetlands and back about every 20,000 years due to the natural wobble of the earth ?
cc
November 9th, 2012
7:11 pm
“No kidding. The New Yorker such a fine example of unbiased journalism it needed posting twice.”
Along the lines of MSNBC journalism . . .
“I voted for amendment 1, and I’m glad it passed, disqualifying efforts from the special interests nonwithst”
I also advocated for and voted YES on Amendment 1. The naysayers were the government indoctrination center employees and their sycophants.
Rafe Hollister, dreading the eventual decline caused by Obamanism
November 9th, 2012
7:11 pm
Kyle good column. Any time the Black vote splits is historic, and gives hope that the monolithic group think in that community, may be penetrable. Obviously when their children’s education is involved, they showed with their actions on this amendment that they will not bow down to the “Black Leaders” , and will vote their own conscience. Encouraging for sure.
The next thing the legislature needs to do is have the money follow the children. The Charters have to compete with less money, as only the state money follows the child. The Local money raised from property taxes stays with the local school boards and this source is the primary source of funding for government schools.
MarkV
November 9th, 2012
7:27 pm
Rockefeller Republican @ 6:53 pm
Amendment: “Provides for improving student achievement and pa rental involvement through more public charter school options.”
If you find nothing misleading, I cannot help it. The amendment makes a claim that it “provides for improving student achievement,” etc. As was clear from the public debate before the election, not all people agreed with that. The voters should have been those, who decided whether it did or not, not those, who wrote the text of the amendment. The fact that you agree with the text does not make it automatically true.
bluecoat
November 9th, 2012
7:45 pm
simply worded the amendment would have failed.
bluecoat
November 9th, 2012
7:50 pm
Im so happy cc won an amendment vote.
Public School Parent
November 9th, 2012
8:30 pm
No dice Kyle. The amendment won in large part because of the ballot language and ridiculous preamble. Before we rush to commend the wisdom of Clayton County voters, let’s remember that they continue to elect dysfunctional school board members, and they’ve elected Victor Hill…again.
Dusty
November 9th, 2012
8:54 pm
I’m sorry but I never got excited over the charter school engagement. Maybe I don’t see where it wiill make a lot of difference. The wording did not matter to me because I did not make it a semantics study.. I hate to weaken something that has been successful for years past. But I guess we will give it a try. Yeah, I know. Public charter schools . Gonna be twins. OK…
Then again, I get another feeling that isn’t pleasing. I’m not sure Kyle likes being a Republican. He was downright chilly over Romney. Everything he mentions about Republicans needs changing.
Sure we lost the last presidential election but that has happened before in our history and we didn’t revamp the party for losing. We made a few changes but kept the principles. We kept moving along and winning the next one. The pendulum swings.
Kyle is the calm, level headed one who considers all aspects in every case. That’s good. But it is hard to show excitement over something you are not excited about. You just can’t put your “heart” into it. That seems to be the case here. Good work but few fireworks to throw up stars in the sky
Not to worry though. Pleasing everybody is an impossibility. I’ll settle for that.
Kyle Wingfield
November 9th, 2012
9:00 pm
John Q: It was not only off-topic far too early in the thread, but it was too long of a cut and paste. If you want to link to another article, provide a link, attribution and a short excerpt. And don’t go off-topic so soon.
mike
November 9th, 2012
9:12 pm
ATLANTA, GEORGIA–November 9, 2017. Voters disillusioned with Amendment 1 resoundingly defeated the Amendment in a referendum.
After 5 years, outcomes in Charter Schools remain disappointing. Resentment of State officials and perceived meddling in local school business is the major impetus behind the referendum.
“What we got and what they promised us are two totally different things,” one voter was overheard as saying. “It was a big, fat waste of time and the taxpayers’ money,” another was overheard to say.
It would appear after this referendum that charter schools are a “dead” issue in Georgia — at least for the foreseeable future.
Truth is
November 9th, 2012
9:43 pm
Kyle. Don’t fox news fool yourself.’the amendment passed in those counties because of the ads on tv, KIss 104, and V103 with Autumn and President Obama. African Americans were specifically targeted because they needed their votes, not because they intend on helping their children. We will remember in 2014. I don’t get to vote out Edward Lindsay but Deal will not be re-elected.
mike
November 9th, 2012
9:48 pm
Given that Paula Broadwell, biographer and author of the new book about David Petraeus, has been identified as his lover, it only makes sense that the title of the book is “All In.”
mike
November 9th, 2012
9:50 pm
I won’t post poor, old, homely Holly Petraeus’ photo out of sympathy, but here is Paula Broadwell’s.
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_md8yikr2Ny1rc0unto1_500.jpg
Mr. Snarky
November 9th, 2012
10:07 pm
If that’s the best hope that republicans have, then it’s pretty bleak.
Regarding charter schools, clearly the biased language helped it pass. There are already plenty of charter schools, and we’re well on our way towards a two tier public school system…one tier of charter schools for families that are motivated, and a lower tier for everyone else.
Communities would be better served by working to improve school boards and existing schools. I’m lucky to live in the City of Decatur where the schools are excellent due to the small size of the district and high parental involvement. Taxes are also high, but its cheaper than tuition.
Brad J
November 9th, 2012
11:24 pm
Kyle, great article. I’m a black independent who voted for Obama (and I confess i vote democratic 85% of the time.) i ‘m a long time resident of Clayton County, and i voted for the amendment, against the incoming sheriff and against the former board member who’s a state representative. I live my life by principles, work hard and am accountable. I expect the same and will VOTE for CHANGE 100% of the time if i feel the current options ARE NOT accountable.
Conservatives have some great ideas on reform and innovation. I like the debates , the ideas generated. We have to have a balance of self-sufficiency, hard work and policy that does not give hand outs but helps the industrious move forward. I’m not a fan of big business and i do believe in carefully constructed regulation and policies. this is a real opportunity for principled, thoughtful conservatives to change the state and national conversation to things of real substance. I look forward to that.
Auntie Christ
November 10th, 2012
12:40 am
The Kübler-Ross model, commonly known as The Five Stages of Grief, includes denial, anger, bargaining, depression, and acceptance. In no defined sequence, …
I can’t decide whether wingfield’s commentary here shows he’s still in denial about his beloved republican party, or whether he has moved on to bargaining, or some combination thereof, where he says something like, ‘well we lost the election, but in return we got charter schools, so it turned out to be a really good deal for us.’
Either he doesn’t see or doesn’t want to see, that the real reason behind the overwhelming support for Amendment 1 in Fulton, Dekalb and Clayton is the total loss of trust in the local school boards by the constituencies of these counties, each of which has seen school boards beset with scandals over the last 3-4 years.
Mike’s comment at 9:12 describes perfectly what’s next., and it is not going to be a resurgence of red in the aforementioned counties. Instead it is going to be a realization that they have been duped, when they see White segregation academies and christian schools flourishing in Sandy Springs, Dunwoody and around Lake Spivey, posing as ‘charter schools.’
Puck
November 10th, 2012
12:43 am
Sounds like the return of “separate but equal” to me.
Crazy Uncle Joe Biden
November 10th, 2012
12:46 am
Barack needs your help and my help in getting this bus running again. So lets all get behind the President and push this bus off the cliff!
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
November 10th, 2012
5:31 am
So blacks overwhelmingly supported the charter school amendment…seems like Reverend Lowery might have some soul searching to do too, after trying to scare voters into opposing it.
Michael H. Smith
November 10th, 2012
5:55 am
If Georgia Republicans don’t find a way to promote conservative principles with new blocs of voters, the choice won’t be theirs much longer.
Oh can we lie like the other side for just a few moments Kyle by claiming… “We have a MANDATE from the people at our backs !”
Um… at least our numbers on this issue do suggest we actually do have a MANDATE from the people, unlike as obumer’s lying ilk’s claims don’t.
However, rather than be dishonest brokers with what we actually won, which was a chance we gave to ourselves and our children to break free from entrapment by things like geography, bureaucracy, the body of corrupt quid pro quo politics, practiced by corrupt politicians coupled with corrupt government worker unions that hold self-serving self-rewarding tyrannical power over an education monopoly designed to indoctrinate, not educate, or allow for genuine critical thinking outside the of the systemic framework, as meant to or indifferently, rob the individual of possibly their best educational results that they can obtain in life to compete on a global bases with other students who are by far academically exceeding what we in this country have yet to provided for our own: Publicly funding a school choice of their own free choosing.
So in that we have been given an ONUS, not a mandate.
If successful, we will have made one of those adjustments necessary(as I mentioned on the earlier blog) for white conservatives or for Republicans to reach out and connect with our brown and black conservatives(disassociated philosophical partners) on shared values( who may have voted democrat as the voting numbers indicate).
The best way to promote conservative principles with blocs of new and old voters Kyle, is to connect with them by focusing on our shared values of mutual interest and major importance… e.g. jobs, education, healthcare, transportation etc.
Jefferson
November 10th, 2012
6:08 am
Two main character flaws of the GOP — they know it all and they think everyone else is stupid.
Resonable people can come to reasonable conclusions under reasonable circumstances unless you are a republican.
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
November 10th, 2012
6:11 am
MarkV: I believe the passage of the amendment had much less to do with what Kyle suggests, and most to do with the language, which was clearly inappropriate.
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The implication being that black voters who supported the amendment didn’t educate themselves before voting or consider the effect of their vote.
Kinda like when they voted for the most free-enterprise-hating, economically illiterate a-wipe to hold the office of president.
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
November 10th, 2012
6:14 am
Jefferson: [Republicans] think everyone else is stupid…people can come to reasonable conclusions under reasonable circumstances unless you are a republican.
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Obviously, Jefferson thinks he’s superior since he only thinks half of all Americans are stupid.
Hypocrite.
Michael H. Smith
November 10th, 2012
6:16 am
There are none so blind as those who believe only those they disagree with cannot see and boldly they walk sightlessly relying upon the mental weakness of their social crutches as a guiding white cane.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
November 10th, 2012
6:37 am
What amazes me is the inability of people (largely liberals) on this blog who can’t let certain things go and just move on. They live in the past and wallow in it.
The election is OVER.
Get that through your thick heads!
The Charter Amendment passed – move on.
You got your pretty-girl, below average President re-elected – move on.
Bush has been out of office for 4 years – move on.
There is altogether too much spiking the ball and/or complaining about the past in a majority of the posts on here. It’s no wonder there has been no success in solving this nation’s and this state’s problems, because there are too many people who CAN’T LOOK TO THE FUTURE because you’re too busy fighting the battles of the past.
And no matter how hard you try, you can’t change the past.
Thomas Heyward Jr
November 10th, 2012
6:42 am
A more centralized Authority ALWAYS makes for a better system.
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right?
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One only has to see the great leaps forward in Education since the creation of the Federal Department of Education.
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Typical Republicans.
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Forward Soviet!
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
November 10th, 2012
6:49 am
And my comments especially go to the Paulistas, who continue to dredge up a guy who pretty much never got a single bill passed in his entire tenure in Congress.
Even bills that tried to reduce the size and scope of government.
Thomas Heyward Jr
November 10th, 2012
7:42 am
Tiberius – pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
November 10th, 2012
6:49 am
And my comments especially go to the Paulistas, who continue to dredge up a guy who pretty much never got a single bill passed in his entire tenure in Congress.
Even bills that tried to reduce the size and scope of government.
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Nor could our founding patriots get anything passed in ole King George’s corrupt parliament neither.
And they too………were outnumber by Romney/Obama type girly men.
Eddie Hall
November 10th, 2012
7:42 am
You may be right in one sense Kyle, the amendment, although cleverly disguised to do so, did garner accross the board support. It also severly damaged support from one of the first areas to embrace the republican movement, the NE portion of the state. What this MAY have done is sow the seeds of third party at the worst, or open the door for a moderate democrat in the next elecection. Time will tell.
Beverly Fraud
November 10th, 2012
7:56 am
Why would people in Atlanta want a choice when they have been afforded a world class school system that has demonstrated a decade’s worth of sustained gains?
Makes no sense.
Disgusted in Dekalb
November 10th, 2012
8:07 am
The future of the Republican party — deceptive and vague. Sounds like the Repubs of old.
Everyone talks about the ‘failed school system’ but no one offers any fixes except creating a virtual shadow system. I wonder if King Deal and his Repub flunkies had put as much time, money and energy into helping fix the ‘failed school system’ as they have the charter amendment and TSPLOST, would it still be a ‘failed school system’.
All this rhetoric and posturing is disgusting. You can spew all the ideology and insults you want here but the main issue is still the KIDS. The charter amendment will only help a limited number of our children, what about all the rest???
The priorites of our state government are so backwards (like Dukes of Hazzard backwards) that it would be comical if it weren’t so tragic for our kids and their futures. Governor Deal and his cronies would sell us all out for a buck.
Beverly Fraud
November 10th, 2012
8:08 am
The voters had a choice:
They could continue to give a monopoly to folks like Clayton, APS, DeKalb, and Fulton (aka The Four Horsemen of the Incompetence) or they could allow privateers in, privateers who would make Somali pirates look benevolent in comparison.
Given that the monolithic ineptitude of The Four Horsemen of the Incompetence would be the envy of North Korean government’s bureaucratic machine, can you really blame voters for wanting to bring Somali pirates into the mix, so that the voters at least have some options?
3d
November 10th, 2012
8:09 am
Millions of Republicans stayed home assuming enough others were upset and fed up to throw Obama Claus out. Laziness.
That won’t happen in 2016.
cc
November 10th, 2012
8:09 am
“One only has to see the great leaps forward in Education since the creation of the Federal Department of Education.”
Uh huh, yeah, right.
carlosgvv
November 10th, 2012
8:29 am
Rockerfeller – 6:04
Bob – 7:03
These are precisely the kinds of posts I would expect from ignorant Christian Academy high schoolers like you.
Heckle and JayKyle
November 10th, 2012
8:34 am
The charter amendment passed for only one reason: the Tea Party came out against it. It’s beginning to look like they were using reverse psychology, and pretending to be against it. You could say that the Tea Party “Kaiser Soze’d” Georgia. They acted rational, and spoke clearly. Their reasoning was sound. They certainly fooled me. So I revisited the video of the spokeswoman and listened to her reasons, and sure enough, bits and pieces of what she said were in plain view on the signs attached to the several Obamas hung in effigy that were scattered around the gathering.
Can’t believe Georgia fell for it. I guess the score is now Tea Party 7, Georgia ZIP!!!!!
carlosgvv
November 10th, 2012
8:42 am
Heckle and JayKyle – “Tea Party 7, Georgia ZIP”
I though you knew by now that Georgia isn’t in last place by accident.
We work at it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
November 10th, 2012
8:45 am
“The charter amendment passed for only one reason: the Tea Party came out against it.”
Oh, Holy crap . . . .
‘Cause it couldn’t be that Georgians are willing to try anything to improve the educational opportunities for their kids.
Seeing as the alternative has been so dismal thus far.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
November 10th, 2012
8:47 am
The most pressing question is: do Obama fans have intelligence?
The overwhelming weight of evidence tends to suggest they do not.
Jeffrey
November 10th, 2012
8:48 am
The charter amendment shows the way? Really? a vague question that takes power from local voters and gives it away to cagles and deals cronies. What is wrong with you people?
MarkV
November 10th, 2012
8:48 am
“the most free-enterprise-hating, economically illiterate a-wipe to hold the office of president.”
Another “cleverness” for Dusty to praise, from the sleaziest loser on the blog.
South Georgia Retiree
November 10th, 2012
8:55 am
Kyle, don’t label these upcoming schools as “public,” because this is the big move to convert public schools to private schools using public tax funds. The advocates for Amendment 1 used language that was a facade for turning back the clock and taking over the institution that holds the most hope for our future. They don’t intend to make things better, only to take democracy out of public schools and go back to an earlier time when segregation was the forced rule and handicapped kids were not served.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
November 10th, 2012
9:00 am
News flash, boys and girls!
The amendment PASSED!
It’s a change to our Constitution and as such you don’t get to change it anytime soon, so DEAL WITH IT!
It’s not a politician you can lobby to change their vote.
It.
Is.
Over.
Done. Finished. Your efforts to complain about it are wasted.
Let it go.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
November 10th, 2012
9:02 am
“They don’t intend to make things better, only to take democracy out of public schools and go back to an earlier time when segregation was the forced rule and handicapped kids were not served.”
Oh, Holy crap . . .
If there was ever any argument that Georgia schools needed to improve, this was it.
Cactus
November 10th, 2012
9:05 am
Yes. By all means, please embrace the deliberate vagueness and intentional deception of the charter school amendment as the cornerstone of the GOP’s future. We don’t want voters who pay the taxes that make state and national government possible to make an informed vote; that would upset our plans to centralize decision making around what makes those of us at the top of the GOP wealthier. Voters are annoying when they are asked to think; they ask questions we don’t want to answer because to do so would reveal our hand and the things we are doing that the riff-raff of the electorate might find objectionable…..or even dishonest! I hope you are just young and naive; you can outgrow those things. Ralph McGill must be spinning in his grave today at the sight of an AJC “journalist” flacking for the GOP and advocating a political strategy that at its core relies on deceiving and manipulating Americans. The vast majority of Republicans in this country are good, solid conservative people who deserve more honorable leadership than exists in the party today; Barry Goldwater may have lost his shot at the Presidency but in my opinion his agenda was to serve the nation, not himself, and therein lies the difference in who leads the GOP in Georgia today and the grand old party of a more honorable time in this country’s history.
cc
November 10th, 2012
9:09 am
“Fail. Black people voted in much higher percentages for gore and Kerry. Not many voted for bush.”
And with that statement, LBB can now rest his case . . .
It’s unusual for one to prove his opponent’s case!
Del
November 10th, 2012
9:36 am
HAPPY BIRTHDAY UNITED STATES MARINE CORPS……Born 236 years ago at Tuns Tavern in Philadelphia.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
November 10th, 2012
9:38 am
Semper Fi! Hoorah!
Buzzy
November 10th, 2012
9:38 am
It certainly does point the way for the Ga. GOP.
It’s corrupt. It’s all about money. And it’s controlled by a sleazy governor and a corn pone legislator.
That’s a perfect picture of the Ga. GOP.
cc
November 10th, 2012
9:45 am
May God always bless the United States Marine Corps!
cc
November 10th, 2012
9:46 am
I wonder of Barack knows about the birthday of the CORPSE?
cc
November 10th, 2012
9:47 am
Obviously “of” should be “if”!
Excuse the typo . . .
SBinF
November 10th, 2012
9:54 am
I guess the charter schools amendment reaffirms the GOP’s dedication to smaller government….NOT
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
November 10th, 2012
9:54 am
You know, when this amendment was being debated earlier this year on Kyle’s blog, a number of times a question was posed to detractors: What is your alternative?
There were largely two answers: “Spend more money”, or “I don’t know but this isn’t it”.
And most of the complaints rested with one or two themes: Unelected board taking control away from schools” or “Out of state, for-profit schools”.
The bottom line is that you don’t have an effective alternative to improve Georgia schools.
The whining and complaining period is over. Your arguments – whether good, bad or indifferent – don’t mean a thing anymore.
Beverly Fraud
November 10th, 2012
9:57 am
“It’s corrupt. It’s all about money. And it’s controlled by a sleazy governor and a corn pone legislator.”
@Buzzy what does it tell you about the state of things in places like APS and DeKalb (two of the charter members of The Four Horsemen of the Incompetence) that the voters readily embraced a “Deal with the Devil©”?
At least there is some chance a sleazy, corrupt, dysfunctional charter school can be shut down by involved parents, unlike The Four Horsemen of the Incompetence which will most likely be with us unless an asteroid, in a moment of Christ-like consciousness, decides to sacrifice itself and descend upon the the educational monolith.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
November 10th, 2012
10:05 am
Obama fan, since you are incapable of discerning the difference between a law which can’t be changed and a politician (or body of politicians) which can be, any response will likely be wasted on you.
However, as has been pointed out time and time again, The President is the head of the Executive Branch. That is one-third of the three equal branches of the U.S. Government codified in the Constitution. The second branch of government is the Legislative Branch. Within the legislative branch there are elected representatives in two bodies – the House and the Senate. The House is controlled by the Republicans (and is guaranteed to be that way for at least 2 years, and likely longer than that), and the Senate is controlled by Democrats, but with a caveat that they have a rather arcane set of rules under which they operate.
The President cannot raise taxes without the consent of the Legislative Branch. Period. Therefore, your assertion that tax increases on ANY class coming soon is premature at best, and unlikely to be resolved in a way that you will like. In addition, laws on the books (such as Obamacare) need funding in order to be implemented, and Congress controls the purse strings.
All this is to point out in rather specific terms that your comment at 9:50 can best be described as ignorant, and more accurately be described as bull$h!t.
Uncle Billy
November 10th, 2012
10:10 am
The Amendment is an attempt to take away local control and institute state control, i.e. “big government.” It will be overturned by the courts as impermissibly vague i.e. fraudulently worded to achieve the result desired. Segregation academies will otherwise bloom as they did in the 60’s. But the courts will have a problem with that also. It was designed not to accomodate local parents but to accomodate large for profit school companies who poured a lot of money so that they could make more money. It is like what happened to a local school official in Walton County. He pushed a reading system on the teachers and students which they hated. He has pled guilty to taking bribes from the company in Conyers which paid him to push the system. Free enterprise at work but not working in the way “romantic free marketers” envision.
Del
November 10th, 2012
10:28 am
Correction on my last…237th. Marine Corps Birthday. Shame on me.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
November 10th, 2012
10:29 am
You’re really indoctrinated, Uncle Billy.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
November 10th, 2012
10:32 am
“Tibby – the truth hurts, huh?”
Sometimes the truth does hurt, Obama fan, however, what you posted wasn’t any form of “truth”.
In fact, it as incorrect on just about every level.
But you would have to have read and understood the Constitutional powers as described, which I’m sure that you couldn’t understand even if you tried.
Beverly Fraud
November 10th, 2012
10:34 am
“The Amendment is an attempt to take away local control and institute state control, i.e. “big government.” ”
Exactly They want to take local control away from people like APS, and DeKalb, where ignorant and uninformed voters elect board members who stand by idly while school system leaders engage in unethical and illegal activity.
They know this particular amendment is ripe for further exploitation, but they hope that some choice, any choice is better than the choices they have now.
The education monolith has no one to blame but itself
cc
November 10th, 2012
10:35 am
The following is excerpted from “Early Education or Early Indoctrination?” by Jamie A. Hope. It seems entirely appropriate that parents seek alternatives to the government indoctrination centers currently called public schools.
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When your children or grandchildren venture off to school in America, someday soon, most likely, their education curricula will be developed not by a state education association, or even by the National Education Association (NEA). Rather, they will be developed by the United Nations — specifically, their education arm, United Nations Educational Scientific and Cultural Organization (UNESCO). This is an educational organization that could not only threaten the sovereignty of America, but indoctrinate our unsuspecting children with a dangerous progressive ideology — an ideology in which children are no longer taught that America is the land of the free and home of the brave or the right to freedom of worship.
This is not the first time early education and a call to hand over babies to the government has been attempted. The First Congress of Bolshevik Workers said in 1918 that “we must remove children from the crude influence of their families. We must take them over, and to speak frankly, nationalize them. From the first days of their lives they will be under the healthy influence of children’s nurseries and schools.”
The Bolsheviks understood that the hand that rocks the cradle rules the world.
MarkV
November 10th, 2012
10:40 am
Kyle seems to be obsessed with the charter school amendment. Let’s hope this was the last time we heard about it from him.
Before somebody tries to say that I continued that debate– I did not. As I noted in the beginning, I did not have any strong feeling about the amendment, one way or another. My comment was not on the subject of the amendment, but to point out that Kyle in this article was making generalized conclusions based on the result of a vote, which was skewed by the language on the ballot.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
November 10th, 2012
10:40 am
Beverly Fraud brings up a good point about school board members.
Were any board members in Atlanta up for re-election this year, and did they get replaced?
Since one other argument from the public school advocate was that we can just replace our lacal board members if we don’t like their decisions. But apparently we don’t, even when they are incompetent.
cc
November 10th, 2012
10:45 am
“Re healthcare reform, the bottom line is that Regressives didnt have an effective alternative to improve healthcare.”
The Republicans tried time and again to put their “effective alternatives” before the American people, but the mainstream media would not air or print them. Obama, Pelosi and Reed treated the Republicans as if they were nonexistent and railroaded ObamaCare through both Houses of Congress.
We’ll see how popular ObamaCare is among all the Obama fans as the jobs disappear because of it.
sueellenewing
November 10th, 2012
10:51 am
The voters made a terrible mistake is all I can say. Anytime something is controlled by the state brings on a whole different kind of problems. I know because I’m a lowly state employee and I see waste and corruption everyday.
@@
November 10th, 2012
10:53 am
Clayton County voters were overwhelmingly in favor of the charter school amendment.
They’ve also overwhelmed us with another Victor Hill win.
I voted for one but not the other.
Based on what I’ve read, two of our BOE candidates are in a run-off? One’s a MARTA bus driver and the other a community organizer.
No retired teachers? No former PTA presidents?
Some things don’t make sense.
Linda
November 10th, 2012
10:53 am
Obama’s ground game had to have included moles on conservative blogs, i.e. full-time, paid professional bloggers to spew the Dem. talking points (lies, distortions & propaganda) & personally attack & try to intimidate conservative commenters. They were probably posting on all media blogs all over the country.
Surely, there have been no such bloggers on Kyle’s opinion columns for the past 5 years!
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
November 10th, 2012
10:54 am
It’s beginning to look a lot like Impeachment, every where we go…
The CIA ‘s reporting to Congress included a claim that protests over a YouTube video played a role in the attacks, thus allowing Obama to initially discount the possibility that the U.S. had suffered another terrorist attack just before the election.
In contrast, based on real time video and reports, the State Department was reporting that the attack that led to the deaths of four Americans, including U.S. Ambassador J. Christopher Stevens, was terrorist-related.
Lock obozo up now!
@@
November 10th, 2012
10:57 am
Well….I’ve come to the conclusion that the neighbor fella just doesn’t like me. He’s even deleting my innocuous comments.
How will I ever survive the rejection?
schnirt
Dusty
November 10th, 2012
10:58 am
@@
I saw that Victor Hill was elected sheriff again. That IS incredible .Maybe some of the impending legal actions will get him.
So it’s @@ in Wonderland!
MarkV
November 10th, 2012
11:03 am
A new conspiracy theory to explain Obama’s victory – moles on conservative blogs!
Wonders never cease.
But there might be something to it, after all. Some comments of the seemingly conservative writers have been so outrageous, that they discredited the Republican cause. All that name calling about communists and Marxists, talk about climate change “hoax”, crude insults of the democratically elected President…
Linda
November 10th, 2012
11:09 am
Obama & the Democrats offered welfare without work, disability income, food stamps, free health care, free cell phones, extended unemployment insurance, cash for clunkers, tax credits to buy cars, refis to increase home equity & lower mortgage payments, money to fund union pensions & retiree health care, amnesty, union jobs, free abortion on demand, free birth control, college tuition, etc.
Romney & the Republicans offered jobs, lower gas & utility prices, lower taxes, fiscal sanity, the survival of the United States of America, etc.
And the liberals are laughing all the way to the cliff & beyond & below.
Linda
November 10th, 2012
11:11 am
Mole number one has stepped forward.
cc
November 10th, 2012
11:14 am
“Surely, there have been no such bloggers on Kyle’s opinion columns for the past 5 years!”
Of course not, Linda, but if there had been . . . I believe they would have been recognizable enough to now identify their “screen names”!
I have some nominations!
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
November 10th, 2012
11:23 am
Less than six months before President Bush leaves office, the House Judiciary Committee held a hearing today on whether he should be impeached. Improper retaliation and obstruction of justice in the Valerie Plame CIA agent outing case.
So how does the murder of four Americans compare to such triviality?
Linda
November 10th, 2012
11:34 am
The corrupt alphabet, not FOX News media (NFN media) will now be eager to cover Benghazigate, now that a sex element has been introduced.
The timing of the resignation is just plain weird. Sort of like the timing of the leak on Iran firing on the US drone.
bluecoat
November 10th, 2012
11:37 am
Lil’B Now you are sucking up to the blacks.These are the same you have called plantation dwellers,parasites,obummers,leeches,etc.Rave on.
yuzeyurbrane
November 10th, 2012
11:43 am
Kyle, actually, I wish the charter Amendment proponents success in improving the quality of Georgia public education even though I am skeptical for all of the reasons I and others have previously put forth. I also think the vote margin would have been tight as a tick if the preamble had been neutrally worded. But it was a victory by a wide margin and I am willing to concede the legitimacy of the victory. Otherwise, you are giving some good advice to the GOP although I disagree on mass transit as being a likely candidate for your approach. You are a young fellow and probably don’t remember it, but ask your Dad, and he may concur with me when I say remember Atlanta Transit Company as my simple rejoinder.
Linda
November 10th, 2012
11:48 am
cc@11:14, Kyle knows who they are & I know where they are going.
cc
November 10th, 2012
11:59 am
Linda:
The sooner the better!
Dusty
November 10th, 2012
12:01 pm
MARK V
See your ophthalmologist. Either you are selectively blind or have tunnel vision.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
November 10th, 2012
12:09 pm
I do not believe that Obama should be impeached over Benghazi. I suspect that even is the worst-case scenario comes out, and his administration did know about the security problems there, that wouldn’t rise to the level of impeachment. If he refused to send help while his ambassador was being murdered, that might be sufficient enough, especially if he went to bed in order to catch some zzzz’s before a political rally the next day.
But I think the GOP would be foolish to embark on that course even if he did.
There will never be the votes in the Senate, so long as there is a majority of Democrats who would not vote to impeach even if Hitler were a Democrat, so impeachment would just be a waste of time and a political loser in this climate.
It is best to simply minimize this twice-elected mistake, and stay afloat until he is gone.
Dusty
November 10th, 2012
12:19 pm
Well, I just stopped by to see if I was “moderated” here. Hope not.
I’m wondering because i stopped by Maureen Downey’s blog, made a simple non-inflamatory comment and it was moderated. then I tried a very simple one line sentence. It was moderated.
That was the first time I had ever posted anything on her blog. I did mention George W. Bush but mildly. . Do you think that was it?
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
November 10th, 2012
12:22 pm
“talk about climate change “hoax””
Yeah, ’cause why would somebody call man-made global warming a hoax when:
It’s name has to be changed a couple if times to fit it’s new data,
The proponents alternately claim that warmer temps will cause less snow, but when more snow is generated they claim that is a result of climate change as well.
Their temperature sensors are strategically placed in and around known “hot-spots” such as urban areas.
The Atlantic Ocean heats up, but the Pacific Ocean cools down.
They can’t explain a leveling off of temperature rises.
They think that having companies pay fines for their carbon generation will fix the problem.
The only people studying this “problem” are people who get their funding from the very governments who can continue their income stream.
And they can’t explain exactly what man is doing to cause their data, but they just know it has to be us – hence the term “theory”.
But other than that, it’s all just one big fact to these guys.
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
November 10th, 2012
12:23 pm
Me: Kinda like when [blacks] voted for the most free-enterprise-hating, economically illiterate a-wipe to hold the office of president.”
An Obozo fan: Black people voted in much higher percentages for gore and Kerry.
———————
Well, at least they’re consistent.
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
November 10th, 2012
12:25 pm
The fact that Obozo did nothing about global warming in his first two years puts the lie to human-caused “climate change”.
Or is your Idiot Messiah anti-science?
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
November 10th, 2012
12:33 pm
“The fact that Obozo did nothing about global warming in his first two years puts the lie to human-caused “climate change”.”
I’m not even sure he “caused the oceans to lower” . . .
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
November 10th, 2012
12:36 pm
Four down territory.
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
November 10th, 2012
12:37 pm
Sorry, wrong blog!
Linda
November 10th, 2012
12:52 pm
Hurricane Sandy proved that Obama could not stop the rise of the oceans. Just another broken campaign promise? His minions might think he’s Moses without the tablets, but I wouldn’t follow him through a car wash.
MarkV
November 10th, 2012
12:52 pm
Dusty @12:01 pm
Please explain.
MarkV
November 10th, 2012
12:55 pm
Tiberius @12:22 pm
Ignorance neatly summarized.
Linda
November 10th, 2012
12:56 pm
The House passed his Cap & Trade legislation but the Senate, known for their “wisdom,” knew it was a hoax & tossed it. Obama is by-passing Congress by implementing it through the EPA.
Even if you believe in global warming & that it is man-made, you are an idiot to believe politicians can “fix it” by taxing it, swapping it around & burying it in the ground.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
November 10th, 2012
12:58 pm
MarkV, the wonderful thing about your posts is that they can never be considered intelligent rebuttal.
Mainly because they contain no intelligence whatsoever and there is never any attempt at rebuttal.
Not that any of us expect anything more from you than what you post. We know you haven’t the capacity for substantive debate.
MarkV
November 10th, 2012
1:07 pm
“It’s name has to be changed a couple if times to fit it’s new data,”
Can that even be called argument?
“The proponents alternately claim that warmer temps will cause less snow, but when more snow is generated they claim that is a result of climate change as well.”
What “proponents claim” is not the issue; what the climatologists say is.
“Their temperature sensors are strategically placed in and around known “hot-spots” such as urban areas.”
A lie.
“The Atlantic Ocean heats up, but the Pacific Ocean cools down.
And?
“They can’t explain a leveling off of temperature rises.”
They can.
“They think that having companies pay fines for their carbon generation will fix the problem.”
Political issues do not change the science.
“The only people studying this “problem” are people who get their funding from the very governments who can continue their income stream.”
A lie.
“And they can’t explain exactly what man is doing to cause their data, but they just know it has to be us – hence the term “theory”.”
A lie – they can, as well as an expression of ignorance about what a theory is.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
November 10th, 2012
1:14 pm
All absolutist statements without a shred of fact behind them.
Way to continue your uninterrupted streak of useless posts, MarkV.
I’ll post the next retort from you following my next post:
Tiberius: “The sky is blue”
MarkV: “A lie”.
See? I can “debate” just like you can!
Dusty
November 10th, 2012
1:14 pm
MarkV
Tunnel vision is when you see only one small direction and nothing else. Blindness is seeing nothing at all.
Your complaints about bloggers are always about conservatives. Tthere are just as many “ill-gotten” comments by liberals. But you never “see” the indiscreet liberals.
See your ophthamologist.
Linda
November 10th, 2012
1:16 pm
Less than 24 hrs. after Obama was re-elected, he directed his adm. to fast-forward an international treaty to regulate gun control.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/11/07/us-arms-treaty-un-idUSBRE8A627J20121107
I’m citing Reuters, but google other sites to obtain the truth, that our second amendment rights are in jeopardy. Gun sales are soaring all over the US.
Banderson
November 10th, 2012
1:17 pm
A lot of teachers were against this amendment. Of course, they forget that they helped get Sonny Perdue elected over Roy Barnes, which got this whole GOP governor thing rolling.
@@
November 10th, 2012
1:18 pm
I could REALLY get behind this guy’s suggestion.
As a result, I have a suggestion for the Republicans, one they won’t hear from anyone else: give Barry and Company everything they want, without an iota of resistance. Let ‘em raise taxes and the debt ceiling, gut the military, and run up trillions of dollars of additional deficits and debt. Then stand back, and let an utterly corrupt media chronicle the demise — without being able to pin an ounce of the ensuing socialist catastrophe on an “obstructionist” GOP.
Harry Reid wants to end the filibuster? Tell him it won’t be necessary. For the next four years, Republicans will do what a certain Senator from Illinois made a career of doing: they will simply vote “present” on every bill put before them in both houses of Congress. In effect, give Democrats they same unassailable majority they had in 2008 — the same one that led directly to the passage of ObamaCare.
Radical? Compared to what? Watching a president get re-elected, despite four major scandals, the worst recovery on record, and the explosion of entitlements — all of which was blamed on the aforementioned Republican obstructionism? Being blamed for everything that will go wrong from 2012 to 2016, completely irrespective of reality or the truth?
It’s time to get real: the only thing Republicans can do is delay the inevitable. Why bother? The sooner progressives and the media bring America to its knees, the sooner the people who know better can put the nation back on its feet.—Arnold Ahlert
Any liberals wanna get on board the bullet train?
Banderson
November 10th, 2012
1:22 pm
Linda – did you not read the article you linked? Here’s a quote:
“An official at the U.S. mission said Washington’s objectives have not changed.
“We seek a treaty that contributes to international security by fighting illicit arms trafficking and proliferation, protects the sovereign right of states to conduct legitimate arms trade, and meets the concerns that we have been articulating throughout,” the official said.
“We will not accept any treaty that infringes on the constitutional rights of our citizens to bear arms,” he said.
U.S. officials have acknowledged privately that the treaty under discussion would have no effect on domestic gun sales and ownership because it would apply only to exports.”
Hillbilly D
November 10th, 2012
1:22 pm
Dusty @ 12:19
As I understand it, all the posts at Downey’s blog go into moderation, if she’s not around, unless you’re a “regular” poster. Happens to me all the time. For the most part, it just ain’t worth the trouble over there. It’s mainly just teachers talking to other teachers and most of them think non-teachers have no right to comment on education. There are a few exceptions to that, though.
MarkV
November 10th, 2012
1:23 pm
Dusty @1:14 pm
Dusty,
Do not make me laugh so much. As if you were known for complaining about conservative comments. As I have told you before – which you mocked, incidentally – I do not pretend to be a neutral observer, some kind of arbiter of truth. Of course I attack those on the opposite side. Perhaps you should examine yourself first, before you make snide remarks.
Linda
November 10th, 2012
1:24 pm
There are 3 types of believers in Global Cooling (from the ’70s), Global Warming (from the ’00s) & now miscellaneous Climate Change, listed in order of decreasing smarts:
1. the never dids
2. the dids but now don’ts, &
3. the stills dos.
MarkV
November 10th, 2012
1:26 pm
Tiberius @1:14
There were no facts in your post.
Banderson
November 10th, 2012
1:28 pm
Deniers of climate change are sort of like the captain of the Titanic – There aren’t any icebergs out here and, if there are, we will be quickly rescued.
Linda
November 10th, 2012
1:28 pm
Banderson@1:22, Did you not read what I wrote about the Reuters article?
cc
November 10th, 2012
1:30 pm
“Even if you believe in global warming & that it is man-made, you are an idiot to believe politicians can “fix it” by taxing it, swapping it around & burying it in the ground.”
I never subscribed to the man-made global warming farce . . . until about five years ago. After hearing and witnessing all the hot air expelled by Hussein, I’ve come to believe that it might exist.
Cap and Trade was and is nothing more than another redistribution of wealth from the United States to other countries via the United Nations.
Hussein continues his course toward the collapse of the American economy.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
November 10th, 2012
1:31 pm
MarkV, you are, as always free to debunk my posts with your own facts.
However, simply replying “No it isn’t” or “You lie” are ineffective debating actics.
Here’s our next debate:
Tiberius: The grass is green”.
MarkV: “And?”
Thanks for proving your worthlessness to this blog and to intelligent conversation everywhere, MarkV.
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
November 10th, 2012
1:32 pm
Still no answer as to why the science-denying Democrats didn’t pass cap-and-trade during Obozo’s first two years.
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
November 10th, 2012
1:33 pm
(other than Linda’s that is)
Banderson
November 10th, 2012
1:33 pm
Tiberius don’t need no stinkin’ facts
He just needs excessive spacing
and bullet points that don’t seem to stand on their own
and the perception that, because he’s “pulling the chain of the left AND right” that he’s not really a righty
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
November 10th, 2012
1:35 pm
What happened to cap and trade, Banderson?
KZguy
November 10th, 2012
1:36 pm
Yeah right! Just follow the same path the Charter School admendment took. Out spend the other guy ten to one and make such the ballot wording is all BS. Then pray for another hurricane.
MarkV
November 10th, 2012
1:44 pm
People unable to make logic rational arguments, like Tiberius, always resort to insults, bluster, and stupidities.
Here are some examples. Tiberius claims that he presented facts. So let’s examine some his “facts.”
Tiberius: “Their temperature sensors are strategically placed in and around known “hot-spots” such as urban areas.”
Tiberius calls it a fact. I call it a lie. Those are two alternatives. Tiberius has made that claim, so it is up to him to document his “fact” with evidence.
Same with ““The only people studying this “problem” are people who get their funding from the very governments who can continue their income stream.”
Most of the rest of Tiberius “arguments” are inanities, not even worth a debate, but I would be glad to show explain that to those, who do not grasp that on their own.
Jefferson
November 10th, 2012
1:46 pm
stopped by for a laugh
Dusty
November 10th, 2012
1:47 pm
Oh my goodness,
MarkV wants to play TRUTH OR CONSEQUENCEs! And snide remarks!!.(Shall I hide my snide to save your hide?)
Perhaps you did not notice earlier that I thought Kyle was “chilly” on Romney. That means I thought he was not a strong supporter of the Republican candidate. I doubt that he thought that was a compliment if he bothered to read it. (Conclusion: I sometimes object to what conservatives say.)
When’s the last time you complained about a liberal comment? Or have you ever?
Come on now: the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth!!!
cc
November 10th, 2012
1:49 pm
“When’s the last time you complained about a liberal comment? Or have you ever?”
AND . . . produce the evidence of such comment!
Dusty
November 10th, 2012
1:50 pm
Let me answer an earlier question I placed. I was moderated at Maureen Downy’s education blog. I asked why. Mauren kindly answered that all FIRST TIME blogger comments are moderated so she can check them. I was a first time blogger there. My comments have been released.
Dusty
November 10th, 2012
2:12 pm
Hillbilly
While I was wandering around I missed your comment on the DowneyEducation blog. I don’t usually stop there but saw her subject was Ann Coulter and Fordham. So I stopped and was surprised to be “moderated”,
Her subject was interesting today but I don’t think I’ll stop there often. Kyle gives us plenty of education facts.
By the way, she liked your comment on speakers. Wow! $15,000 a speech for TALKING. Who said that “Talk is cheap?’ Doesn’t sound like it.
dahreese
November 10th, 2012
2:12 pm
Mr. Wingfield; I do not understand for a second how anyone with journalistic integrity, knowing full well the right-wing GOP propaganda that went in to the passage of the charter amendment, can support it and do so with a straight face.
This is nothing but a ploy by the governor to sellout this states public education to corporations – supported by Republicans in our GOP controlled state legislature who haven’t any backbone to oppose the governor no matter what he wants.
This isn’t about the improvement of education in this state.
It is about corporations, with the support of governor Deal, getting their hands into the financial coffers of the state’s education system.
Making private money off of your children.
You don’t have to be a blind conservative not to see it, just an ignorant one to deny it.
MarkV
November 10th, 2012
2:23 pm
Dusty @1:47 pm
“When’s the last time you complained about a liberal comment? Or have you ever?”
If you insist, I will do my best to find at least two instances, when I complained about the liberal comments exceeding the boundary of decency. But I wonder, why you are asking for that. Did you read my post @1:23 pm? Can you comprehend, what I wrote? I was explaining to you, that I am NOT here to criticize impartially liberal and conservative comments. One more time, of course I write against those on the right wing, who use this blog to spread misinformation, lies and insults.There are many comments from liberals I do not agree with, but why should I complain about them?They can fight their own battles.
As for your claim that you earlier wrote that you thought that “Kyle was “chilly” on Romney,” is that again an attempt to be funny? You compare that with the barrage of rudeness and insults, that you found no problem with? I have already given you some examples, but here are some more linesf rom the one you defended and called” clever:”
“Scumbag Obozo wasn’t thinking of the country or our public servants overseas.”
“Because Obozo is promising the parasites more of other people’s money than Romney.”
“Welcome to Handout Nation, a Barack Hussein Obozo Joint.”
“Reid’s a lying scumbag.”
“Democrats should be embarrassed for focusing on that while ignoring Scumbag Obozo’s failed foreign policy and his lies regarding the Libya attack”
Bottom line: Your klown messiah is a failure.”
.”Obozo supporters: Chumps and willingly ignorant.”
“Obozo: Fascist. Liar.”
“Obozo supporters: Idiots or chumps–you tell me.”
“And I bet she laughed her fat ass off, too!” (About Hillary Clinton)
“Welcome to Handout Nation, a Barack Hussein Obozo Joint.”
(And no, I do not keep any “dossier.” We live in a digital age, and I can pull those fairly quickly from the archive.)
cc
November 10th, 2012
2:25 pm
dahreese:
Kyle writes an opinion column. If you don’t care for his opinion, shuffle along somewhere else.
You DO know the difference between an opinion columnist and a reporter, do you not?
If not, you were most likely educated in a government school, not a charter school.
dahreese
November 10th, 2012
2:29 pm
@cc; The purpose of this site is for discussion, else you wouldn’t be on here, nor would I.
I do not have to agree with Mr. Wingfield and I do not have to agree with you.
You don’t have to be a blind conservative not to see it, just an ignorant one to deny it.
cc
November 10th, 2012
2:34 pm
“When’s the last time you complained about a liberal comment? Or have you ever?”
“I was explaining to you, that I am NOT here to criticize impartially liberal and conservative comments”
“There are many comments from liberals I do not agree with, but why should I complain about them?They can fight their own battles.”
Got to hand it to you, MarkV. That certainly is a heartfelt, well-expressed complaint.
cc
November 10th, 2012
2:36 pm
“You don’t have to be a blind conservative not to see it, just an ignorant one to deny it.”
You must have a strong emotional tie to this sentence! You used it in two successive posts.
dahreese
November 10th, 2012
2:44 pm
@cc;”When’s the last time you complained about a liberal comment? Or have you ever?”
Liberal comment, conservative comment, it’s all the same disussion to me.
I also have respect for Mr. Wingfield who is expected to write a column everyday and I understand his conservative points of view whether I agree with them or not.
But the fact is that Mr. Wingfield has hedged on this charter amendment – unless he will deny that he has no knowledge of the outside of state, and inside of state, propaganda that went into the passage of this proposed amendment.
Linda
November 10th, 2012
2:54 pm
@@ @1:18, This is the idea I had a couple of days ago. However, if the House Republicans vote present, can a bill pass with only aye votes from the Democrats? 240 presents & 190 ayes? Doesn’t seem right.
This is the only way the Republicans can prevent being blamed for raising taxes on earners under $250K.
Does anyone know this parliamentary procedure?
MarkV
November 10th, 2012
2:56 pm
cc @2:34 pm
It appears you do not even have an understanding of the word “complaint.”
@@
November 10th, 2012
3:06 pm
MarkV:
Tiberius calls it a fact. I call it a lie.
Not to come between you and Tiberius, but you might wanna read up on surface stations here. Go to archives, July 2012.
Linda:
It’s time to hit the donkeys with a 2X4. Nothing else will get their attention.
We’ll ALL suffer but I’m willing to take one for The Gipper.
@@
November 10th, 2012
3:10 pm
And Linda?
Did you notice that none of the libs accepted my invitation to ride that bullet train? I took that as a no confidence vote. They are, afterall, libs….self-confidence isn’t one of their strong suits.
Linda
November 10th, 2012
3:11 pm
I see no problem with corporations educating our children. Unions have been “educating” them for years all over the country. Doesn’t more education money already go to corporations than to teachers? Schools, buses, textbooks, utilities, food, etc.?
cc
November 10th, 2012
3:18 pm
“I do not understand for a second how anyone with journalistic integrity, knowing full well the right-wing GOP propaganda that went in to the passage of the charter amendment, can support it and do so with a straight face.”
“I also have respect for Mr. Wingfield who is expected to write a column everyday and I understand his conservative points of view whether I agree with them or not. ”
Certainly sounds like respect to me! After reading it again, I’m sure it seems respectful to you, too.
cc
November 10th, 2012
3:33 pm
“It appears you do not even have an understanding of the word “complaint.”
Unfortunately for you, I do understand the word, and I submit that you’ve offered no evidence whatever that you have ever EXPRESSED discontent with a liberal comment TO a liberal commenter.
Prove me wrong.
dahreese
November 10th, 2012
3:35 pm
@Linda; “I see no problem with corporations educating our children. Unions have been “educating” them for years all over the country.”
So, you wouldn’t mind a liberal corporation teaching your children?
And think about it for minute before you answer.
Linda
November 10th, 2012
3:35 pm
@@ @3:10, Maybe they didn’t understand it. They are ready for a fight & a much bigger blame game. Remember who said that elections have consequences? Let the Dems. live with them.
The bill will be to extend the Bush tax cuts on everyone except over $250K. If the Reps. vote no, they will be blamed for raising taxes on everyone. If the Reps. vote yes, they will be blamed for raising taxes on those over $250K, employers. If they vote present, the Dems. can blame only themselves when the economy tanks.
Obama said, “…You don’t raise taxes in a recession…because that would take more of a demand out of the economy & put us in a further hole…” The economy is no better now than then, the fiscal cliff is approaching & another recession is predicted.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uoE_NicaMY
Raising taxes on those making over $250K might bring in $80-90 B, leaving a gap of $1 T. This is not about revenue. It’s about “fairness,” punishing success & class warfare. It will kill jobs. It’s part of the progressives’ big picture.
Linda
November 10th, 2012
3:45 pm
dahreese@3:35, Are all corporations liberal?
I’ve had better experience with private sector employers & employees than with govt. entities & employees. Is there much difference between teachers who are employed by the govt. & those by the private sector? Isn’t it easier to hold private sector employees accountable? Isn’t there more competition for jobs within the private sector?
Dusty
November 10th, 2012
3:58 pm
MarkV
i have no interest in your misdemeanor list. I know Republicans says rude things and Democrats do even worse..Have you ever read Bookman’s blog for instance?
I did not live through the eight years of invectives against Gelorge Bush when he was running the country to think that Democrats are little angels. They made up every lie in the book and embellished them. The falsified his military records, and insulted his wife, children, business and school records, every move he made and the very elections that Americans held and put ;him in office. To this day, you can read bad jokes, insinuations and lies about George W. Bush.
If you think a few bloggers who don’t like Obama are tragic, go to your archives and find the insults about Bush . You can fill a book.
So cry me a river about Obama. I”m tired of hearing about it. I heard too much when Bush was president of this country. .Fair or not, take a dose of your own medicine.
cc
November 10th, 2012
4:04 pm
This is not about revenue. It’s about “fairness,” punishing success & class warfare. It will kill jobs. It’s part of the progressives’ big picture.
In other words, it’s about redistribution!
dahreese
November 10th, 2012
4:15 pm
@Dusty; “The falsified his military records….”
GWB screwed up his own records. He was AWOL from his post in Louisiana(?), and anyone else would have been disciplined for that. Just happened, they knew who his dad was – which got him into the USAF reserve in the first place in Texas and then he was “jumped” ahead of others waiting for flight school.
So, let’s not paint a picture of flaming bush purity, here.
carlosgvv
November 10th, 2012
4:15 pm
dahreese
Every corporation I ever worked for was way to the right of Boener in being conservative. Profit was the one and only thing they cared about and reasonable wages and treatment of their employees was, in their eyes, a total zero.
carlosgvv
November 10th, 2012
4:18 pm
Romney apparently dodged the Military by doing Mormon mission work in France. Did our Govt., at the time, allow all young Mormon men to do mission work in lieu of military service?
MarkV
November 10th, 2012
4:20 pm
Dusty @3:58 pm
Dusty,
I am quite used to your intentional or innocent misunderstanding or misrepresentation of what I have written. Therefore, I do not expect any understanding now, but I will try anyway.
I understand your devotion to President Bush, but your complaints about how he was treated are completely beside the point as far as I am concerned. If you could show me that I was rude or insulting to him, please do – you cannot. I never claimed that Democrats did not do those things, so why are you preaching to me?
You are the one who have always reminded me, when I related facts of the economy under Obama to those under President Bush, that President Bush was on the ballot. So I remind you, that these past years, when I have been commenting on this blog, the insults were mostly aimed at President Obama.
But the main point is the following. There are people on this blog, whose insults of the President are beyond the boundary of decency. When you defend and praise such a person, you are actively on the side of that indecency.
dahreese
November 10th, 2012
4:21 pm
@Linda; The good or bad service is about equal in government or private sector, including teachers.
I would say this about public education; the critics ought to try it….
And I say this from having worked in both public and private jobs – including public education.
MarkV
November 10th, 2012
4:28 pm
cc @ 3:33 pm
Indeed you do not understand the word complaint. I do not complain about the insults to president Obama. I attack those insults, I condemn them, I despise the people who make them, but I have not complained about them. Why should I? As far as I am concerned, they discredit the conservatives and the Republicans, and show the lowness of those, who make them.
As for what you “submit,” not only I have no duty to provide to you any such evidence, but more importantly, as I explained to Dusty, it is immaterial.
Hillbilly D
November 10th, 2012
4:37 pm
Everybody and their brother has recorded “See See Rider”, which is the song’s original name but it was first recorded by Ma Rainey before anybody in the Dead was ever born.
Lil' Barry Bailout -Vote American
November 10th, 2012
4:46 pm
MarkV: There are people on this blog, whose insults of the President are beyond the boundary of decency.
—————–
And Obozo claimed Romney was a felon and had killed a woman. Nary a word from you. Seems your poutrage is a bit selective.
cc
November 10th, 2012
4:47 pm
MarkV:
As usual, you brought up the issue, were called on it and couldn’t substantiate your claim. You then twisted the subject and responded with an answer totally irrelevant to the query.
You are all too predictable . . .
cc
November 10th, 2012
5:00 pm
Hillbilly D:
“it was first recorded by Ma Rainey”
Any relationship to Wayne and the Foggy Mountain Boys?
Linda
November 10th, 2012
5:02 pm
dahreese@4:15, At least Bush served his country.
@4:21, I disagree. Only at the post office during Christmas season would an employee take a break with a line of over a dozen people. The govt. (NLRB) has recently ruled that private employers cannot require their employees to be “nice” to customers.
Haven’t we “tried” public education for the past 200 years? Isn’t it time to “try” a public/private education system?
Dusty
November 10th, 2012
5:25 pm
Dahresee
You should go play with MarkV. You are falsifying Bush’s military record as per usual with Democrats.
False records on Bush were discovered when the crooks used a computer to make phony records. The criminals did not know that computers were not in use when Bush was in the military.
Bush had a release from the miiltary to help his father run for election as president of the USA. But he was already a certified military pilot with many hours
I know that none of that registers with you. You had rather believe a huge criminal action than the truth.
Integrity is not a virtue enjoyed by some liberals.
MarkV
November 10th, 2012
5:39 pm
cc @4:47 pm
“As usual, you brought up the issue, were called on it and couldn’t substantiate your claim.”
cc,
Remind me, when I did bring up any such issue with you, or shut up.
dahreese
November 10th, 2012
5:40 pm
I was in the USAF, Dusty, and I KNOW has it works.
Try your bull on some amature.
Dusty
November 10th, 2012
5:48 pm
Dahreese
You must have missed something. Falsifying records to incriminate someone is not acceptable in the armed forces or anywhere else.
Take the bull by the horns if honesty offends you.
Dave
November 10th, 2012
5:49 pm
Your thoughts about “trust me” may well be right on point, especially in the metro counties with the dysfunctional school systems. Indeed, I voted against the Amendment because I had absolutely no trust in the state folks with charters or TSPLOST.
Where I part with you is that I don’t think it is a partisan thing, something the GOP can latch on to. I think a lot of non-crazy people would like our leaders to propose and implement rational plans for schools and transportation, they just don’t see it happening locally, and I would argue, statewide.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right
November 10th, 2012
5:50 pm
Dareese, I worked for the company that made the printers that ANG used.
No such typeface existed for the documents that CBS produced as “evidence ”
So I don’t particularly care what you experienced in the USAF, but you didn’t have any proof regarding Bush’s service.
cc
November 10th, 2012
5:51 pm
MarkV:
“Remind me, when I did bring up any such issue with you, or shut up.”
Pardon me, I didn’t know that your communication was privileged. I thought that this was an open forum. Maybe you should try encoding your posts so that no one sees them except the person you addressed?
I believe that I will “shut up” when I’m ready. I don’t believe that I require or need your permission to post.
MarkV
November 10th, 2012
5:55 pm
The technical term for the logical fallacy Dusty uses is “moral equivalence.”
If somebody has done something to her side, it is morally justifiable to do to them the same. It is a credo of people without a moral compass.
MarkV
November 10th, 2012
5:57 pm
cc @5:51 pm
This is an open forum, but I have not made any offer to you. Do you understand the difference? Probably not.
Dusty
November 10th, 2012
5:58 pm
Glad you are here, Tiberius
Did you watch football today? My TV reception was awful. Maybe the EARTHQUAKE, huh?
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right
November 10th, 2012
5:59 pm
The technical term for MarkV ’s posts is called “nonsensical waste of time and effort”.
Just wanted to clear that up.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right
November 10th, 2012
6:01 pm
Missed football today, Dusty. Helping a friend out at his store and am taking a quick break to debunk some of the nonsense.
cc
November 10th, 2012
6:06 pm
Would someone (ANYONE) please tell me when and where Kyle established the ground rules for addressing MarkV on this blog? I need to be informed so that I don’t violate any of the rules!
Dusty
November 10th, 2012
6:07 pm
Oh dear, my moral compass is all out of whack…Who’d a thought it?
What’s your excuse, MarkV?
MarkV
November 10th, 2012
6:11 pm
Dusty @6:07 pm
“What’s your excuse, MarkV?”
You have not shown me evidence, as I did for you.
MarkV
November 10th, 2012
6:14 pm
The King of Obnoxiousness, Tiberius, has arrived to poison the blog.
Dusty
November 10th, 2012
6:15 pm
cc 6:06
Sorry, but I can’ t help you. My compass isn’t working. It keeps pointing to the dinner table and I’m heading that way. Good luck!!
cc
November 10th, 2012
6:19 pm
MarkV:
“The King of Obnoxiousness, Tiberius, has arrived to poison the blog.”
I don’t believe Tiberius has addressed you yet. You’re not allowed to communicate with him until he does.
Dusty
November 10th, 2012
6:20 pm
MarkV
What? No evidence? I’m turning this case over to Sgt. Friday since dinner awaits. Be sweet now….
Linda
November 10th, 2012
6:20 pm
Those who are ignored eventually go away. I think they melt via global warming.
But then, every conservative blog needs a liberal mascot or 2.
MarkV
November 10th, 2012
6:23 pm
Dusty @ 6:20 pm
Dusty,
I am always sweet.
Linda
November 10th, 2012
6:37 pm
By process of elimination, we are beginning to see who the plants are here. The liberal govt. workers blog between 9:30 & 4:30 M-F, less lunch, on our dime, not to be heard from on weekends. Obama’s moles are paid 24/7 & never cease with their diatribe.
Now, one of them has admitted he’s gay.
cc
November 10th, 2012
6:44 pm
Linda@6:37:
LOL . . . You are delightful!
MarkV
November 10th, 2012
6:45 pm
@@ @3:06 pm
“you might wanna read up on surface stations here. “
You might wanna read up on surface stations here:
http://www2.sunysuffolk.edu/mandias/global_warming/global_warming_misinformation_urban_heat_island.html
Linda
November 10th, 2012
7:05 pm
cc@6:44, Back at ‘cha.
getalife
November 10th, 2012
7:19 pm
You cons should be yelling at your media and party for lying to your faces.
mitt was never going to win cons.
Man up.
mike
November 10th, 2012
7:24 pm
Someone left the cake out in the rain….
Alabama falls to Tex A&M. How the mighty have fallen.
Ga takes on the hapless Auburn Tigers.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
November 10th, 2012
7:50 pm
Petraeus’s departure now has also thrown a whole new pile of grist into the Benghazi controversy. Already, the attack that killed Ambassador Chris Stevens and three others was being called an intelligence failure — both the failure to anticipate it and the decision to identify it as a riot rather than a terrorist attack.
President biden?
Ahahahahahahahaha
mike
November 10th, 2012
7:58 pm
Yes, I report, President Barack Obama will be impeached and Vice President Joe Biden will become President over some botched embassy attack. An embassy attack that should have never happened. Why? Because Ambassador Chris Stevens should never have been in that embassy in the first place. I prefer to concentrate on David Petraeus’ lover.
Linda
November 10th, 2012
7:58 pm
While the #1 team in college football is getting beat (& I’m cooking La Grotta Ravinia Ristorante Italiano Semolina Gnocchi), we’re supposed to have a yen to go to a website to brush up on global warming surface stations.
This is further proof that liberals view football players as nothing more than soldiers wearing cleats.
mike
November 10th, 2012
8:01 pm
Linda: I’m sorry you spent $100 millions of your own money in an attempt to buy a Senate seat. Wait! That wasn’t you was it?
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
November 10th, 2012
8:18 pm
I don’t even know why soccer exists.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
November 10th, 2012
8:19 pm
Hold up, did mike say something to me?
cc
November 10th, 2012
8:23 pm
Mike:
“”Why? Because Ambassador Chris Stevens should never have been in that embassy in the first place.”
At least make some attempt to inform yourself of current news. If the truth is ever known, I believe that this will be yet another of Obama’s “chickens coming home to roost”. I believe that this was done, not only with his knowledge, but at his direction. He would have a difficult time explaining why the U. S. is arming muslim jihadist groups.
++++
What’s odd is that a Libyan ship—which reportedly weighed 400 tons and included SA-7s—docked in southern Turkey on Sept. 6 and its cargo ended up in the hands of Syrian rebels. The man who organized that shipment, Tripoli Military Council head Abdelhakim Belhadj, worked directly with Stevens during the Libyan revolution.
Stevens’ last meeting on Sept. 11 was with Turkish Consul General Ali Sait Akin, and a source told Fox News that Stevens was in Benghazi “to negotiate a weapons transfer in an effort to get SA-7 missiles out of the hands of Libya-based extremists.”
Since Stevens and his staff served as “diplomatic cover” for the CIA—only seven of more than 30 Americans evacuated from Benghazi worked for the State Department—the spy agency would certainly know about heavy weapons and Libyan jihadists flooding into Syria if Stevens did.
Given that most of the weapons going to hard-line jihadists in Syria are U.S.-made and are being handed out by the CIA, it’s not a stretch to wonder if the CIA is indirectly arming Syrian rebels with heavy weapons as well.
If President Obama’s position is to refrain from arming rebels with heavy weapons, but regime change in Syria is advantageous, then a covert CIA operation with plausible deniability seems to be the only answer. It’s a dicey dance, especially if it’s exposed.
In an article titled “Petraeus’s Quieter Style at C.I.A. Leaves Void on Libya Furor,” Scott Shane of the The New York Times notes that CIA Director David Petraeus has “managed the delicate task of supporting rebels in Syria’s civil war while trying to prevent the arming of anti-American extremists.”
http://www.businessinsider.com/benghazi-stevens-cia-attack-libya-2012-11#ixzz2Bs9hpnrD
Linda
November 10th, 2012
8:33 pm
mike(with a small m)@8:01, $100 millions? Did you mean $100 million? Your pitiful usage of the English language speaks volumes per your intelligence.
I don’t spend money on politicians.
That was the problem with Democrats voting for Obama, both times. He’s not a Messiah, nor Moses without the tablets. All he is is a community organizer who morphed into a professional politician, who used Chicago tactics to wipe out his opponents in Chicago & to elevate himself to DC. His first presidential debate proved that he is still an empty suit, standing next to an empty chair, without his teleprompters.
Hillbilly D
November 10th, 2012
8:36 pm
Any relationship to Wayne and the Foggy Mountain Boys?
Can’t say as I’ve ever heard of them, cc. All I know of is Flatt and Scruggs and the Foggy Mountain Boys (named after this one here)……..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_Y3mnj-8lA
As Sonny Osborne once said, Earl did have a perfect right hand.
cc
November 10th, 2012
8:57 pm
Hillbilly D:
I think I’ve got a year or two (or many?) on you. Wayne Rainey and the Foggy Mountain Boys date back at least into the 40’s. although I was only aware of them sometimes after 1950. I first heard them on WCKY in Cincinnati where they did a weekly radio show.
I shouldn’t be pokin’ fun, though. If I remember correctly, Ma Rainey was a very famous early blues singer and, if memory serves, was even called “the Mother of the Blues”.
yuzeyurbrane
November 10th, 2012
9:01 pm
Kyle, the reason why your reasonable proposals will get nowhere lies in the nature of your most regular posters. Sorry pal. By the way, you have a certain flare for history–remember the Whig Party?
cc
November 10th, 2012
9:05 pm
Barack is the best is when he is out of sight, out of mind, out of contact and out of the country.
Linda
November 10th, 2012
9:20 pm
Let me repeat a former post:
What do pigs, Hannah Montanna, Elvis & Obama have in common? They all cause(d) squeals.
The GOP’s failure was not to consider that a huge segment of Americans is absolutely in love with Obama, regardless of what he says or does. Period. His campaigns & presidency have been based on lies, distortions, deception & scandals. Clinton said that O’s campaign was the “biggest fairy tale” he’d ever seen.
There’s yet to be one significant success under this president. He’s yet to create one single net job. The U3 unemployment rate is higher today than when he took office & the U6 rate reveals more Americans are out of work than at any time in decades. His adm. has added $6 T in new debt with nothing to show for it. His signature Obamacare bill is as unpopular today as it was when it was passed. Bush sent the 1st check to bail out the auto companies. The SEALS killed OBL. Etc., etc., etc.
Obama has a nice family, a charming personality, charisma, a great smile & a super walk. He’s handsome, smart & had the best speech coaches. He’s treated like Moses without the tablets. If he can stop the rise of the oceans, he can probably part the sea. “Lie to me!” “Gimme!” “We love your!” The segments of the voters his policies hurt the most were the largest segments who voted for him.
Like any other addict, America needs to reach rock bottom ,to get help & heal. The greatest threat to our natl. security is our natl. debt, caused by our leaders we elected. Therefore, our worst enemies are ourselves.
There has never been a time more important for the GOP to stand firm on it’s core principles of fiscal responsibility & limited govt. & to be there when the country fails.
Hillbilly D
November 10th, 2012
9:30 pm
cc
Well, I learnt something.
cc
November 10th, 2012
9:39 pm
“President Obama’s win in Florida is official. 332 electoral votes to 206 for Mittens. Landslide? You betcha! Mandate? You betcha! Let the good times roll…”
“As of this writing, Obama had a 58,720,700 (50.1%) to 56,145,950 (48.4%) lead on Mitt Romney for the popular vote.” . . . as of Thursday AM
Final Florida vote:
“The final tally was 50 percent for Obama to 49.1 percent for Romney, a difference of about 74,000 votes, outside the half-percent margin that would have triggered an automatic recount.”
Landslide? No.
Mandate? Not even close!
Your good times “rolling” started the day after the election . . . with the stock market sell-off.
cc
November 10th, 2012
9:41 pm
Hillbilly D:
I think you already knew it!
cc
November 10th, 2012
9:46 pm
“There has never been a time more important for the GOP to stand firm on it’s core principles of fiscal responsibility & limited govt. & to be there when the country fails.”
Very true!
. . . and fail it will!
cc
November 10th, 2012
9:59 pm
Hillbilly D:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buP4ZjXjOgA
cc
November 10th, 2012
10:03 pm
Hillbilly D:
. . . and another:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVR6LIvmvAU
bluecoat
November 10th, 2012
10:22 pm
If you shorted the market,good profitable times rolled.Long on guns and ammo.Monday take profits or raise your stops.Let the good times roll.
@@
November 10th, 2012
10:41 pm
MarkV:
You take me to Scott Mandia’s place?
The man has openly admitted to inaccuracies in his work.
The guy’s a hockey puck.
schnirt
MarkV
November 10th, 2012
10:53 pm
@@ @10:41 pm
Meaning, when you cannot attack the data, you attack the man.
@@
November 10th, 2012
11:07 pm
MarkV:
I gave you a target and you missed it BIG TIME!
Anyhoo…can you CONFIRM his data or are you just taking his word for it?
I’m outta here.
Jefferson
November 11th, 2012
2:02 am
still funny.
Jack ®
November 11th, 2012
7:01 am
All the GOP has to do to win is to promise more welfare.
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
November 11th, 2012
8:02 am
Obozo bought Ohio with the GM bailout. When do we get our $25 billion back?
@@
November 11th, 2012
8:05 am
Barack is the best:
I have an important message for you.
In his second term, Barack doesn’t need you anymore.
This go-round, it’s all about his legacy. You’re not a part of that.
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
November 11th, 2012
8:12 am
@@, does that mean that Obozo compromises with Americans, er, Republicans to actually get something accomplished? Or does it mean that Obozo sticks it to us so bad that even his receptacles feel it?
@@
November 11th, 2012
8:15 am
And…….
David Petraeus’ lover seems like an incredibly accomplished woman.
A woman who sacrifices her children for a roll in the hay is NOT what I call accomplished.
Enjoy your downfall.
@@
November 11th, 2012
8:16 am
LBB:
Either/or.
It’s a win/win from my perspective.
cc
November 11th, 2012
8:20 am
LBB:
“Or does it mean that Obozo sticks it to us so bad that even his receptacles feel it?”
I’d venture that this is the most likely . . .
cc
November 11th, 2012
8:21 am
Good morning, all!
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
November 11th, 2012
8:30 am
The “Grand Bargain”: Obozo agrees to extend all Bush tax rates for another year. In return, Obozo supporters will be able to upgrade to Obozophones with email and web.
Beverly Fraud
November 11th, 2012
8:37 am
A question to Joe Lowrey:
When one (according to this very paper; correct me if I am wrong Kyle) han secret meetings with Kasim Reed trying to strong arm Board of Education members into keeping as board chair, a person who actively conspired with Beverly Hall to hide evidence of cheating (according to this very paper, correct me if I’m wrong Kyle) don’t you kind of lose the right to speak, with any credibility about what’s “good for children”?
In fact, might your actions be best characterized as advocating for what’s best for the black power structure, if even those actions are diametrically opposed to what’s best for children in Atlanta?
Numbers-R-US
November 11th, 2012
8:48 am
Republicans have two years to mourn their losses before they can start mourning their next round of losses if they fail to compromise. Your call, losers.
DannyX
November 11th, 2012
8:57 am
cc- “Landslide? No.”
cc, no, Mitt didn’t win in the landslide you predicted about 500 times. You have been wrong about most everything! Its fun to watch.
Beverly Fraud
November 11th, 2012
8:59 am
Why this amendment passed: Because the locals are, by and large, ignorant and uninformed. (Not stupid mind you; willfully ignorant.)
No not about the amendment; most know it’s a Deal with the Devil™. But voters are fully aware that many if not most of their fellow “locals” will continue to vote in status quo lackeys like Eugene Walker in DeKalb.
They sit in disgust as status quo apologists like Cecily Harsch-Kinnane, who, if memory serves, defended the likes of Beverly Hall to the bitter end and with other lackeys actually applauded (yes applauded!) Hall on her last day. When you applaud Beverly Hall do you really wonder why voters want an option to you? Seriously? (And you don’t think NAHS parents aren’t already looking to take advantage of this amendment?)
These voters knew that if they “got to the point” with the likes of Harsch-Kinnane and Walker, and their fellow WILLFULLY ignorant neighbors, they needed an option even one as ripe for abuse as this one.
The status quo got exactly what they fully and richly deserved. It remains to be seen what the privateers will do with it.
Del
November 11th, 2012
9:07 am
Happy Veterans Day to all who’ve served and are serving with special recognition of those who made the ultimate sacrifice.
cc
November 11th, 2012
9:09 am
DannyX:
“cc, no, Mitt didn’t win in the landslide you predicted about 500 times. You have been wrong about most everything! Its fun to watch.”
I was wrong in my prediction, as I posted the day after the election.
As regards my political philosophy, I prefer to be right in a losing cause than wrong in a winning cause.
History will judge the cause of conservatism, not the “winners” of this election.
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
November 11th, 2012
9:18 am
Come on, cc, get on the bandwagon. It’s so uncool to be for personal responsibility, working for a living, and free market capitalism. You need to just lay back, turn on American Idol, get out your People magazine, and just enjoy it. Just like an unwanted child who is the product of rape, Obozo is a gift from God, after all.
DannyX
November 11th, 2012
9:21 am
“I was wrong in my prediction, as I posted the day after the election.”
cc, you weren’t just wrong in your prediction, you were acting like a fool.
carlosgvv
November 11th, 2012
9:22 am
Barry
Your posts here tell me you have an open mind – so open ideas pass right thru it.
Heckle and JayKyle
November 11th, 2012
9:23 am
Now hold on just a doggone minute. Arming any side in Syria or Libya or any of the region’s “countries” is arming a jihadist militant Islamist radical terrorist hate-filled monkey-stank swarthy bunch of mutants. COME ON.
Obama has to choose a side. There’s always more than two sides, btw. And letting a monkey Throw a dart at a dartboard is probably the best way to choose a side.
What’s funny is that few Americans understand that pandora’s box of Islamic Mutants was opened by President Cheney when we invaded Iraq in 2003. Iraq is not a country. It’s a border holding in multiple intersects of etho-sectarian tribes with liasons that don’t respect the arbitrary borders that French Cartographers drew after WW1.
But Americans think that a map is a map is a map and that’s all there is to it.
cc
November 11th, 2012
9:32 am
LBB:
I stand corrected!
Can I apply for food stamps and an Obamaphone on Sunday?
cc
November 11th, 2012
9:37 am
An Obama fan:
You are defending the party involved with “General Betrayus”, as you liberals called him not so long ago?
Or are you merely on the attack?
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
November 11th, 2012
9:42 am
Obama fan, are you going to be hanging around Kyle’s place for an extended period of time?
Please let me know, so that I can begin dumbing down my writing skills to the fourth grade level so that you can understand them better. Don’t get me wrong – I’ve had plenty of practice responding to AmVet and MarkV due to their obvious handicaps – but if you’re going to be a more permanent presence I might need to write that way full-time.
Brosephus™
November 11th, 2012
9:43 am
Republicans here must learn to win over voters they typically haven’t attracted. Fortunately for them, Tuesday also offered a template for doing so: the successful charter schools amendment.
So, Georgia’s GOP is going full tilt into offering “Big Government” now? Just when you think you’ve heard it all. Well, at least this segment of the GOP is being somewhat honest with it’s love for government regulation and big government
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
November 11th, 2012
9:51 am
Brosephus, you know better than to engage in hyperbole on this issue. The fact is that there is no “Big Government” with the Charter school amendment.
It’s a 7 member appointed appeals board when local schools refuse to approve a school for biased reasons.
Nothing more.
Not Big Government by any stretch of the imagination.
@@
November 11th, 2012
9:53 am
Brosephus:
Five words….Clayton County Board of Education.
In jeopardy of losing their accreditation yet again.
Normally, I would say “NO” to the state’s interference. There are, however, exceptions to every rule.
The only reason we were able to turn it around, though briefly, was because Sonny Perdue intervened.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
November 11th, 2012
10:06 am
White House officials insist the President did not know of the affair until last Wednesday, the day after the election.
Aahhh, what a tangled web we weave, when we practice to deceive.
So much tangle that it catches the spider, hehehehe
Numbers-R-US
November 11th, 2012
10:13 am
For-profit Charter schools are just what the children of the corn (aka, the Bible belt Republicans) need. The parents of those children will now be able to get saddled with the for-profit cost of their children’s education. I’m good with it since I have no grade school children.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
November 11th, 2012
10:24 am
“You couldn’t be any more dumbed down than you already are.”
Oooh, I wounded by the rapier wit of the half wit Dem.
Color me shocked . . .
@@
November 11th, 2012
10:25 am
Obama fan:
@@ – I suspect you are 1/1,000,000,000,000 of the woman Mr. Petraus’ lover is.
The woman was looking for something outside herself which leads me to believe she was lacking…..or a lackey.
Power and fame through osmosis? Fame is fleeting. Power resides from within, not without. Turns out he was seeing another woman while he was boinking Broadwell….a catfight ensued. Nothing to be proud of there. Two stoopid women in my opinion.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
November 11th, 2012
10:27 am
“The parents of those children will now be able to get saddled with the for-profit cost of their children’s education.”
And if their kid’s education ends up being better than the one they got in the no-better-than mediocre public schools, who cares.
What’s the goal here, Numbers? Education or profit? Why can’t there be a way to get both?
More important: Why do you care if someone makes a profit while delivering a service?
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
November 11th, 2012
10:29 am
C’mon, @@, these Dems will always defend the sluts of the world.
It’s why they want us to pay for their contraceptives.
Brosephus™
November 11th, 2012
10:40 am
It’s a 7 member appointed appeals board when local schools refuse to approve a school for biased reasons.
If a local board decides to not approve a charter school, the board can override the wishes of the local government. There is no need for state intervention into the loca affairs in this nature. We already have charter schools in the school systems all accross the board. If the local people want charters and the local boards don’t approve them, we have these things called elections where you can replace the board with people who will do what the locals desire.
I can’t see any justifiable reason to have the state intervene into local affairs in this manner. Maybe there might be an emergency situation or something, but I don’t like it being the status quo. There are far too many things that could go wrong with it. Ask yourself if you would allow a complete Democratic Party controlled government to wield that kind of power.
Brosephus™
November 11th, 2012
10:41 am
@@
That’s why I think it’s good for an emergency route, but not for everyday operation. Clayton County is the perfect example.
@@
November 11th, 2012
10:49 am
Brosephus:
If board members stand between parents and their choice for a charter school, I’m betting the parents would see that as an emergency.
The committee is there to review decisions made by the local board…nothing more. I’m sure there will be instances where they agree and some where they don’t.
MarkV
November 11th, 2012
10:59 am
@@ @11:07 pm
“I gave you a target and you missed it BIG TIME!”
cc Adopting Tiberius’ method #X: When in a corner, proclaim victory.
“can you CONFIRM his data or are you just taking his word for it?”
Learn some rules of polemics. I have shown you data. Unlike in the case of an opinion, in this case it is up to you to disprove the data, not up to me to confirm them.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
November 11th, 2012
11:03 am
“If a local board decides to not approve a charter school, the board can override the wishes of the local government.”
Exactly.
“There is no need for state intervention into the loca affairs in this nature.”
Yes there is. Local boards are notorious for protecting their turf, sometimes to the detriment of local students.
“We already have charter schools in the school systems all accross the board.”
And no way to approve them if the local boards continue to protect their turf.
“If the local people want charters and the local boards don’t approve them, we have these things called elections where you can replace the board with people who will do what the locals desire.”
And as I pointed out, communities NEVER voluntarily get rid of their school board members, no matter how badly they perform. The only way they get replaced is through death or they leave on their own terms. In the case of school boards, elections are not a solution.
Brosephus™
November 11th, 2012
11:03 am
@@
I think it all depends on the group. If the group of parents make up an overwhelming majority of the district, then I’d say it qualifies as an emergency. If it’s a very small group of parents, then it would depend on the situation. I think everybody’s voice should be heard though. For me, it’s a matter of veing an educated voter. When elected officials do something I don’t like or I think is wrong for my community, I don’t vote to re-elect them to their position.
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
November 11th, 2012
11:04 am
Brosephus: We already have charter schools in the school systems all accross the board.
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And we’re about to have quite a few more. That’s what’s really burning you up, isn’t it?
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
November 11th, 2012
11:05 am
A content Dem: How’s climate change denial working out for the crazy Regressive wingnuts among us?
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Why didn’t Obozo pass cap and trade during his first two years?
I guess he’s anti-science too.
Brosephus™
November 11th, 2012
11:07 am
And as I pointed out, communities NEVER voluntarily get rid of their school board members, no matter how badly they perform.
So, are you championing this amendment as a means to address voter apathy? If a voter doesn’t take the time to educate themselves on the choices they make in the voting booth, I don’t see why they should not have to bear the reprecussions of that decision. Is that not one of the arguments that conservatives have been making in regards to the re-election of Obama? Why should it not be the same for local elections?
mike
November 11th, 2012
11:08 am
Hmmmmh…. If I’m writing a book about a dry military leader, do you think sales would increase if I have an affair with the military leader and cause him to resign one of the highest posts in the land?
Brosephus™
November 11th, 2012
11:09 am
And we’re about to have quite a few more. That’s what’s really burning you up, isn’t it?
Nope. My oldest child is 4 years old, and I pay for her schooling with my own funds. I don’t even use a lottery funded Pre-K. The school system in Henry County is quite well, and there’s not that much chatter about charter schools here. The public schools are good, and the private schools are good too.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
November 11th, 2012
11:09 am
” The 3 biggest storms in New York’s history (since 1900) have occurred in the last 3 years”
Oh, Dem?
I suggest you learn something about meteorology and historical weather.
New York is but one city on the East Coast.
East Coast storms go in patterns and they have nothing to do with the last three years, sonny. I recommend looking up one of the most respected meteorologists on the planet, Joe B@st@rdi to understand that this is nothing new.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
November 11th, 2012
11:10 am
“This is the most important election of our lifetime.” That was the ubiquitous rally cry of Republican leaders. The country yawned. About 11 million fewer Americans voted for the two major-party candidates in 2012 — 119 million, down from 130 million in 2008. In fact, even though our population has steadily increased in the last eight years (adding 16 million to the 2004 estimate of 293 million Americans), about 2 million fewer Americans pulled the lever for Obama and Romney than for George W. Bush and John Kerry.
Mandate?
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
November 11th, 2012
11:11 am
“So, are you championing this amendment as a means to address voter apathy?”
No, I’m championing it because it gives parents CHOICES that might potentially improve their children’s education.
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
November 11th, 2012
11:12 am
Ronald Reagan. 1984. 525 electoral votes.
Mandate.
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
November 11th, 2012
11:17 am
Don’t cry, Amoeba Fan.
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
November 11th, 2012
11:17 am
What happened to cap and trade, Obama fan?
Skip
November 11th, 2012
11:21 am
Mandate scamdate, Obama won, that’s what counts. You really want to move the ole goal posts don’t ya?
Brosephus™
November 11th, 2012
11:22 am
Tiberius
Ok… I understand. I might not agree with you, but I understand your position.
Beverly Fraud
November 11th, 2012
11:27 am
Five words….Clayton County Board of Education.
In jeopardy of losing their accreditation yet again.
Actually @@ SACS is a major part of the problem. The whole “losing accreditation” is an empty threat.(Notice in Clayton in was “removed” AFTER one senior class graduated, and “restored” BEFORE the next class graduated; no students were affected; it was just a shell game Elgart played with GAE to get rid of some political opponents (some of which would have been complete embarrassments granted, but I’m not sure ClayCo voters are embarrassed by anything these days)
During years of widespread, systemic cheating in Atlanta, SACS did NOTHING. But when Beverly Hall was threatened, SACS sprang into action, (according to this very paper, correct me if I’m wrong Kyle) not to address cheating but to PROTECT Beverly Hall, by strong arming the board members to keep in power the board chair who ACTIVELY (according to this very paper, correct me if I’m wrong Kyle) conspired to hide evidence of cheating.
Still @@ all the above is a reason TO support the amendment, as these schools would be somewhat immune to SACS political power plays.
Local school boards, SACS, GAE and PAGE…all part of the status quo They have no one to blame but themselves that the voters are sick of them.
cc
November 11th, 2012
11:28 am
An Obama fan:
The name you have chosen to use attests to the level of your intelligence.
Did I type too fast for you?
Do you understand all the words?
carlosgvv
November 11th, 2012
11:30 am
Tiberius – 11:11
It gives parents choices. They can choose to get on school boards and make certain their children’s schools teach creationism, anti-science propaganda and the unerring truth of The New Testament.
I just know that gives you a warm and fuzzy feeling.
carlosgvv
November 11th, 2012
11:33 am
cc
You do the work of three men here – Moe, Larry and Curly.
cc
November 11th, 2012
11:37 am
carlosgvv:
“You do the work of three men here – Moe, Larry and Curly”
. . . and you do the work of one – Les Nessman.
@@
November 11th, 2012
11:51 am
Obama fan:
Remember also that she’s a conservative like you and you really ought not to be throwing her under the bus as you are.
She threw herself under the bus. You’ll never see me standing in defense of stoopid women. I owe them nothing. Never joined their movement.
Let me share a little story with you. My husband and I were longtime friends with a married couple. She catches him fooling around. Circumstances were such that his company’s policy was “no fraternizing with fellow employees”.
The mistress, thinking she could intimidate the wife (unbeknownst to the husband) sends an e-mail letting the wife know there’s something going on. The wife shows up at a seminar that husband and mistress are attending together. Rents a hotel room across from theirs. Catches ‘em red-handed on camera.
What happened? The wife cleaned his clock…house…vehicles…alimony…the lion’s share of his savings and retirement. He signed it over to her willingly for fear of losing his job.
For some strange reason he marries the mistress. He’s miserable….the new wife is miserable. He’s miserable because the new wife is a nag about having to cut financial corners. She’s miserable because the first wife enjoys the bulk of his finances.
I still see both of them. The 1st wife often, the ex-husband not too. Whenever I run across him, I’ll always give him a hug and ask how things are going? His response? “It’s my own living hell.”
Commitment wins!!!!! She committed herself to cleaning his clock.
MarkV:
The climate change debate remains inconclusive. It always will. There’s no point in discussing it.
Let me know when YOUR work is published. I’ll be happy to read IT!!!!
schnirt
I’m all for alternative fuels in the interest of national defense.
Cap & Tax is a scam.
cc
November 11th, 2012
11:54 am
Beverly Fraud:
“We know the liberals are bedwetters on discipline; but who knew that Deal, Lindsey and company were EQUALLY spineless on discipline in the schools?
I believe the problem in discipline must be attributed to the parents, or maybe we should refer to most of them as sperm and egg donors. Teachers I know in the government indoctrination centers have told me many times that attempts to discipline unruly students is almost invariable met with telephone calls or visits where the assertion is made, “My child wouldn’t do that!” I understand that ALL parents do not fall in that category, but all too many do.
I advocated and voted for the amendment for many reasons, but paramount was an improvement of the education that children receive.
cc
November 11th, 2012
12:00 pm
Beverly Fraud:
“invariable” should read “inevitably”
Sorry . . .
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
November 11th, 2012
12:01 pm
An Obama fan: Crazy wingnut Regressive dolts happened to cap and trade, you fool.
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Incorrect. Obozo couldn’t get it through a filibuster-proof, anti-science Democrat Senate.
Obozo’s in you all the way, isn’t he?
lefty_316
November 11th, 2012
12:01 pm
Lil’ Barry a question for you – are you a true fiscal conservative or yet another fiscal conserative impostor, a pretender like so many in the republican party? Because if you are not pro-choice then you are a pretender. All true fiscal conservatives are pro-choice.
Beverly Fraud
November 11th, 2012
12:15 pm
I believe the problem in discipline must be attributed to the parents
Yes cc but that doesn’t absolve the Republicans in power of at least supporting policy. For instance, if a student physically assaults or physically threatens a teacher a tribunal is legally to be held within ten days.
Places like APS and DeKalb are notorious for not following the law. Well, why won’t Lindsey and crew put REAL TEETH into the law? Say, if an OIR official doesn’t hold the hearing, suspend the local school superintendent, the OIR head, and the principal ten days without pay
Think maybe then those officials will start taking discipline a bit more seriously?
Speaking of OIR why haven’t LIndsey and crew held hearings about fellow State Sen Ronald Ramsey the DeKalb OIR official who been double dipping (getting his full DCSS salary while spending 40 days a year with the legislature?)
cc
November 11th, 2012
12:20 pm
Beverly Fraud:
We have no area of disagreement . . .
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
November 11th, 2012
12:23 pm
An Obama fan: meet some non-white, non-male people for a change
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LMAO…you don’t know what you don’t know, racist.
cc
November 11th, 2012
12:23 pm
An Obama fan”
Your use, or overuse, of the word “fool” speaks volumes about you.
MarkV
November 11th, 2012
12:26 pm
@@ @11:51 am
“There’s no point in discussing it.” (climate change)
On this part of your post I agree. And I did not start discussing it.
cc
November 11th, 2012
12:27 pm
LBB:
“LMAO…you don’t know what you don’t know, racist.”
Obama fan: NAILED!
cc
November 11th, 2012
12:30 pm
An Obama fan:
“At a minimum, I’d venture to say she knows how to correctly spell “stupid.”
With this statement, you just displayed your stoopidity . . .
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
November 11th, 2012
12:32 pm
Lil bar – You’re a pig.
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That’s not true; I’ve never voted Democrat even once, and never taken a government handout.
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
November 11th, 2012
12:33 pm
An Obama fan: I’m the racist
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OK, if you say so.
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
November 11th, 2012
12:35 pm
I vote for dignity, class, and excellence, Obozo Fan. That disqualifies Obozo.
@@
November 11th, 2012
12:58 pm
Obama fan:
She’s obviously lacking in common sense.
As a veteran, she’s probably well versed in the art of war only to return and lose a catfight?
Pitiful, just pit-i-ful.
You’ll just have to accept the reality…..
I’m not impressed.
lefty_316
November 11th, 2012
1:20 pm
Lil’ Barry you didn’t answer my question. Are you a coward or something?
Fully half the republican party wants to overturn Roe v. Wade. That would result in an explosion of requests for taxpayer assistance – Medicaid, welfare, food stamps, government assisted housing. The anti-choice anti-Roe agenda is nothing a true fiscal conservative could ever support.
Which are you – a true fiscal conserative or a anti-choice pretender?
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
November 11th, 2012
1:31 pm
Requests for taxpayer assistance don’t have to be answered. Your question reflects an entitlement mentality that is all too common, in every sense of the word.
lefty_316
November 11th, 2012
1:37 pm
Lil’ Barry you live in a fantasy world. Perhaps you’re one of those filthy, perverted social conservatives that have destoyed the GOP and are the reason millions of us have quit the party over the past 15 years.
So you want to make sure every woman that gets pregnant has a baby. And then you’ll let the baby starve to death.
You’re nothing but a hypocrite. You and the rest of your anti-choice cohorts absolutely disgust me.
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
November 11th, 2012
1:39 pm
lefty, if you don’t want a baby (or can’t support one, let alone yourself), don’t have one. Demanding that others pay your bills is the ultimate in greed.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
November 11th, 2012
1:40 pm
My, aren’t the libs awfully foamy today?
Kamchak - You cons said Elmer Fudd could defeat Obama, so why didn't you nominate him?
November 11th, 2012
1:41 pm
Your question reflects an entitlement mentality…
There’s your sign
Georgia
November 11th, 2012
1:44 pm
Broadwell interviewed Patraeus for her book. I guess she didn’t have to ask, “Boxers or Briefs”, like every other journalist interviewing a political figure.
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
November 11th, 2012
1:54 pm
An Obama fan: Lil Bar and his ilk are a disgrace to humanity
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Folks who vote for a candidate based on how much he’s going to hand out to the parasites…now THERE is a disgrace to humanity.
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
November 11th, 2012
1:55 pm
Another disgrace to humanity–anyone who kills their unborn child because it might be inconvenient.
Kamchak - You cons said Elmer Fudd could defeat Obama, so why didn't you nominate him?
November 11th, 2012
2:00 pm
Folks who vote for a candidate based on how much he’s going to hand out to the parasites…now THERE is a disgrace to humanity.
BUSH: I want to take one-half of the surplus and dedicate it to Social Security, one-quarter of the surplus for important projects, and I want to send one-quarter of the surplus back to the people who pay the bills. I want everybody who pays taxes to have their tax rates cut.
Too funny!
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
November 11th, 2012
2:04 pm
Kammy calls taxpayers “parasites”…there’s your Democrat sign!
Kamchak - You cons said Elmer Fudd could defeat Obama, so why didn't you nominate him?
November 11th, 2012
2:07 pm
Kammy calls taxpayers “parasites”…
Wasn’t me, sport.
It was you.
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
November 11th, 2012
2:09 pm
Obozo fan, did those guys (all white men, BTW) vote for Obozo based on how much he was going to hand out to the parasites?
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
November 11th, 2012
2:11 pm
Kammy can’t even comprehend her own posts…not much hope she can comprehend mine.
Kamchak - You cons said Elmer Fudd could defeat Obama, so why didn't you nominate him?
November 11th, 2012
2:14 pm
Kammy can’t even comprehend her own posts…
I never posted, Folks who vote for a candidate based on how much he’s going to hand out to the parasites… except to quote YOU, sport.
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
November 11th, 2012
2:18 pm
The next point you make will be your first, madam.
cc
November 11th, 2012
2:29 pm
“BUSH: I want to take one-half of the surplus and dedicate it to Social Security”
IF the Social Security monies had not been moved to the general fund and spent by a DEMOCRAT, and IF the only people who drew from that fund were the people who PAID INTO IT, there would have been no need to dedicate monies to Social Security. The DEMOCRATS have used the Social Security fund to buy votes by giving the benefits to those who are not entitled to them. People who have never contributed a dime in Social Security payments now draw Social Security disability, retirement, SSI and survivor benefits.
How much is your check, Kamchak?
Kamchak - You cons said Elmer Fudd could defeat Obama, so why didn't you nominate him?
November 11th, 2012
2:30 pm
The next point you make will be your first, madam.
Your “go to” line when you concede.
But not used by this particular sock-puppet.
Must be the sunspots in your eyes.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Kamchak - You cons said Elmer Fudd could defeat Obama, so why didn't you nominate him?
November 11th, 2012
2:31 pm
How much is your check, Kamchak?
And which “check” is that, sport?
carlosgvv
November 11th, 2012
2:31 pm
Barry
I’d like to help you out. Which way did you come in?
@@
November 11th, 2012
2:46 pm
Obama fan:
@@ – I’m sure she’s as concerned how you feel about her as I am.
I haven’t given the woman a thought. You brought her up to me (a comparison)last night @ 8:39.
I tell ‘ya what….jay’s got the “Dear Abby” letter next door. Perhaps you’ll be happier with the gossip over there?
I’m just not that into it (gossip). I leave THAT to ladies like you.
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
November 11th, 2012
2:56 pm
The USDA delayed its release nine days past the semi-official deadline, far past the election, and until Friday night to report August foodstamp data. One glance at the number reveals why: at 47.1 million, this was not only a new all time record, but the monthly increase of 420,947 from July was the biggest monthly increase in one year. One can see why a reported surge in foodstamps ahead of the elections is something the USDA, and the administration may not have been too keen on disclosing.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-11-10/foodstamps-surge-most-one-year-new-all-time-record-delayed-release
Kamchak - You cons said Elmer Fudd could defeat Obama, so why didn't you nominate him?
November 11th, 2012
2:59 pm
Food Stamps Surge By Most In Year To New All Time Record; Delayed Release…
drudgey.
@@
November 11th, 2012
3:44 pm
Actually, I think pretty highly of myself.
SCHNIRT to your little weiner Schnitzel.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
November 11th, 2012
3:56 pm
Ain’ts!
Beverly Fraud
November 11th, 2012
4:02 pm
“Lil’ Barry you didn’t answer my question. Are you a coward or something?”
Seems to be a regular habit. As asked earlier, Lil Barry, why haven’t the Republicans, the party of “rule of law” and “personal responsibility” done NOTHING to empower teachers to hold students accountable for EITHER? Sure we know the status quo is spineless on the issue, but what EXCUSE do the Republicans have?
We know the liberals are bedwetters; who knew that the Republican’ts were EQUALLY spineless on discipline in the public schools?
@@
November 11th, 2012
4:08 pm
Does the name Anthony wEiner ring a bell, ‘ya little twit….er….tweet!
The “stoopid” is my little way of saying dumber than dumb.
I’m cooking dinner for friends tonight. You’ll have to find entertainment elsewhere, fannie.
@@
November 11th, 2012
4:21 pm
Beverly Fraud sounds like John Trotter of MACE.
This is why we shouldn’t give teachers too much leeway when it comes to disciplining students. There are alternatives.
According to national Department of Education data, most of the nearly 40,000 students who were restrained or isolated in seclusion rooms during the 2009-10 school year had learning, behavioral, physical or developmental needs, even though students with those issues represented just 12 percent of the student population. African-American and Hispanic students were also disproportionately isolated or restrained.
State laws on disciplining students vary widely, and there are no federal laws restricting these practices, although earlier this year Education Secretary Arne Duncan wrote, in a federal guide for schools, that there was “no evidence that using restraint or seclusion is effective.” He recommended evidence-based behavioral interventions and de-escalation techniques instead.
Both work!
Discipline at school when there’s no discipline at home is waste of time and child.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/09/opinion/sunday/a-terrifying-way-to-discipline-children.html
Read the entire article. What if it were YOUR child?
Hillbilly D
November 11th, 2012
4:22 pm
If you spend much time researching old documents, you best not get hung up on spelling. Spelling is a fluid thing that changes over time. For instance, when I was coming up “lite” or “nite” would get you blessed out by the teacher. Nowadays, it’s in common usage.
Looking farther back, the 26 letter alphabet is something that came about not much over 100 or so years ago. Back in the 1800’s a “ss” was a “p”. So if your name was Jesse Smith, it was most likely written as Jepe Smith. (Go down to your local courthouse and you should be able to find an example within 5 minutes).
Going on back into the 1700’s you have the “short s”. Usually used in the middle or beginning of words, it looks like a small letter f without the cross.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_s
Language is about communication. As long as you’re communicating, you’re doing alright.
cc
November 11th, 2012
4:32 pm
An Obama fan:
“if your spelling is at all indicative of your intelligence level (which, given numerous errors (and not typos, I might add), I’ll say it is), well, it leaves much to be desired.”
“Tought to tell sometimes.”
Tought? TOUGHT?
Hmmm . . .
cc
November 11th, 2012
4:41 pm
An Obama fan:
Remember this?
“I also suspect you like to throw very big stones out of your house made out of very thin glass walls. Get the inference?”
Tought?
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
November 11th, 2012
4:48 pm
It’s a real shame when the Spelling Police have a little trouble of their own.
Hilarious!
Beverly Fraud
November 11th, 2012
5:18 pm
@@ said:
State laws on disciplining students vary widely, and there are no federal laws restricting these practices, although earlier this year Education Secretary Arne Duncan wrote, in a federal guide for schools, that there was “no evidence that using restraint or seclusion is effective.”
He recommended evidence-based behavioral interventions and de-escalation techniques instead.
@@ Arne Duncan? The guy who said he was “shocked” that widespread cheating occurred in Atlanta? Even though this very paper (correct me if I’m wrong Kyle) documented widespread systemic cheating in articles as far back as 2001?
Arne Duncan, the guy who, in response to widespread systemic cheating, came down to Atlanta, not once, but twice in an attempt to politically prop up Beverly Hall, who was being pushed for an advisory education panel in Obama’s administration even after the AJC blew the lid off the cheating scandal? Arne Duncan, who was a complete, abysmal failure in Chicago? Arne Duncan whose push for “value added” has been universally panned by statisticians all across America?
Arne Duncan, who said that the widespread, systemic cheating was “isolated” to Atlanta and Baltimore, even though the AJC blew that
complete and total liespin completely out of the water?You’re actually trying to make a point by referencing Arne Duncan, who was singing the praises of Beverly Hall even after the cheating scandal broke?
Arne Duncan? The only was he could have any less credibility is if he landed by military helicopter on the front lawn of the White House and unfurled a “Mission Accomplished” banner, claiming the war of education has been won.
Arne Duncan?
cc
November 11th, 2012
5:19 pm
LBB:
What name do you think “An Obama fan” (AKA Spelling Police) will post under next?
She is probably working furiously to come up with something now! What a difference one post can make!
Call it poetic justice or karma, either works for me . . .
Charles Douglas Edwards
November 11th, 2012
5:20 pm
Congratulations to President Barack Obama on his re-election !!!!!
We pray and HOPE for a successful second term as the leader of the greatest country in the world.
We urge the GOP and Democrats to work together for the good of The United States of America.
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
November 11th, 2012
5:33 pm
cc, it never fails…some highly self-esteemed clown can’t compete, resorts to being the spelling police, and makes several errors of their own along the way. No one here really cares about spelling, grammar, or punctuation until that happens. Play spelling police though, and I’m going to have a little fun at their expense.
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
November 11th, 2012
5:35 pm
“We urge the GOP and Democrats to work together for the good of The United States of America.”
————————-
It would help if the guy in the White House wasn’t so intent on destroying our economy, paying off political cronies, and getting as many folks hooked on welfare as possible.
@@
November 11th, 2012
5:41 pm
Bev:
I’m referencing occurrences.
Once the kids reach 13, I’m all for humiliation, suspension and expulsion. Inconvenience to the parents is a great motivator.
Early education and primary grades? Behavior management/modification. You can be creative…something little ones enjoy. Get ‘em young and you limit the problems later.
It works. I know. I use it every day. It’s actually kinda fun.
I’m out!
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
November 11th, 2012
5:48 pm
Still a content member of the victorious side
——————
The victorious side that has put more folks on the dole than ever before?
cc
November 11th, 2012
6:07 pm
Barack is the best:
“Schnitzel”?
If you wish to use a single self-descriptive word at the conclusions of your posts, why not use an appropriate word? My recommendation to you is to use the word:
Schmuck
It so accurately describes you . . .
MarkV
November 11th, 2012
6:21 pm
The Republicans got creamed in the elections, but the cons on the blog act as if they have won.
You lost, remember! The people have spoken.
St Simons
November 11th, 2012
6:40 pm
It sure ‘pointed the way’ for this high tax paying family – to Florida.
Paddle faster! I hear banjo music.
Georgia will not teach my children the Earth is 6000 yrs old
and jaysus rode on a dinosaur for profit.
and you will not ever take my tax money to do it.
For those that remain, the good news is Ga probly hit bottom with this.
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
November 11th, 2012
7:05 pm
The people have indeed spoken: “Gimme!”
ODD OWL
November 11th, 2012
7:07 pm
Charter Schools are “for profit” schools… For profit schools will spell doom for the public educational system in the state of Georgia… What the hell is wrong with the stupid Republican voters in this state ??? I guess they “feel” that they’re not dumbed down enough already… Stupid is as stupid do… I guess the history books will depict cave men riding on the backs of dinosaurs… Non rich Republican voters ==> Stuck on stupid…
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
November 11th, 2012
7:07 pm
Georgia will not teach my children the Earth is 6000 yrs old and jaysus rode on a dinosaur
———
Straw man.
ODD OWL
November 11th, 2012
7:18 pm
@ CC 4:41 post… Since when did American english become original english… Damn near every word in the American english language are mispelled British english words… Many American english words are mispronounced British english words too… CC ==> Arrogant ignoramus…
Snarky
November 11th, 2012
7:24 pm
Catoosa County reporting:
The local paper was against it,the local teachers were against it and the local school board loathed it so that they could maintain their monopoly power. Its still lost here about 60-40.
The education monopoly can be beaten. This shows how. Go the amendment route before the political wind shifts and then it will be very hard for some educrats to change the reforms later.Doing it by amendments also means that activist judges can’t legislate from the bench.
Way to go Georgia !
Hillbilly D
November 11th, 2012
7:33 pm
There are more different regional accents in England than there are in the U.S.
cc
November 11th, 2012
7:39 pm
ODD OWL@7:18 pm:
“@ CC 4:41 post… Since when did American english become original english… Damn near every word in the American english language are mispelled British english words… Many American english words are mispronounced British english words too… CC ==> Arrogant ignoramus…”
I have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about, and the sad thing is that you don’t either. My 4:41 post was in reference to posts made by someone else criticizing yet another person’s spelling after which they misspelled a word. I’d suggest that you first know what you’re talking about before you insist on inserting your foot in your mouth.
Then again, you may like the taste of your foot . . .
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right
November 11th, 2012
7:39 pm
I wish this President was just a typo and not the biggest error to ever hit this nation.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right
November 11th, 2012
7:43 pm
MarkV plays the ” You lost!” card.
Do we all just get in line for our beatings now, Massa?
MarkV
November 11th, 2012
7:53 pm
Fortunately, it does name make the slightest difference what the Lil’Barrys of this country think about the people who voted for Obama. Lil’ Barry and his ilk have become irrelevant.
MarkV
November 11th, 2012
7:53 pm
And the same applies to Tiberius.
St Simons
November 11th, 2012
7:57 pm
good, now PBS can save money on a documentary about Georgia,
and just show the movie “Deliverance”
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right
November 11th, 2012
7:59 pm
MarkV, you, nor your party nor this President has the power to make anyone irrelevant.
You don’t have that control over me.
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
November 11th, 2012
8:00 pm
I guess I’ll have to ask how MarkV defines “irrelevant”!
He probably thinks it means I’m not part of the pathetic, government-dependent, Obozo receptacle class. I can live with that.
ODD OWL
November 11th, 2012
8:13 pm
@ CC … The purpose of language is to communicate… Just because someone misspell a word, doesn’t mean that the word cannot be read and understood… The misspelled letter in the words are usually letters that represent the vowels sounds anyway… All vowel letters are interchangeable… A-E-I-O-U The letters that represent the vowel sounds doesn’t contain the meaning of the word, nor the phonetic sound of the word, nor the masculine or feminine principles and not the syntax… Everything is contained in the letters that represents the consonantal root of the word… English and Greek are inflected languages, along with Chinese… All the African languages are inflected languages… All the other European languages are agglutinative languages… (Google inflected languages and agglutinative languages)
bluecoat
November 11th, 2012
8:18 pm
cc = chicken coop. Biggest error Bush & Bush that would be errors.Lil B must be a transplant.Most southerners polite and kind and good losers.
Sister Sarah
November 11th, 2012
8:31 pm
OBAMA WINS !!!!OBAMA WINS!!! OBAMA WINS!!!
Just thought I’d take a quick gander in here in leave that with you… Specifically for people like the Tiberiuses of the wrold.
bluecoat
November 11th, 2012
8:36 pm
Thank you sister and God bless.Please pray for our country and President.
ODD OWL
November 11th, 2012
8:44 pm
Arizona, Texas and Georgia will turn Democrat Blue in the 2016 presidential elections… If Hillary run, Arkansas, and south carolina might turn Blue too..
cc
November 11th, 2012
8:54 pm
ODD OWL@8:13 pm:
I suggest you read all posts by “An Obama fan” directed at “@@” from 12:30 pm on. You may get a much clearer picture of what has transpired here. I believe that you have a mistaken impression of what occurred. I’ll have nothing else to say on this subject, but I do hope that you possess the ability to comprehend.
Hillbilly D
November 11th, 2012
9:02 pm
And the last bastions of ignorance, intolerance and hate – to wit, the grand ‘ol South – will themselves start to become swing states.
Ignoring the fact that most of the states that went for Romney 60% or better are in the Plains and the Ohio Valley.
bluecoat
November 11th, 2012
9:17 pm
Odd Owl if you don’t agree with me,then you do not have the ability to comprehend.ha ha.Odd Owl I guess comprehend sounds more educated than understand.
Hope you are right in your blue predictions.
JamVet
November 11th, 2012
9:19 pm
The people have indeed spoken: “Gimme!”
This baseless nonsense has proven such a winner for the right wing, I can see why they are still clinging to it.
The GOP’s apparent contempt for working Americans is a big reason why they just got stomped on.
To wit, their bizarre, misguided, counter-productive and unfounded over-reaction to the Occupy protesters.
THAT one really showed the nation just how ugly and stereotypical that many (most?) of the Republicans on these forums are.
But, far be for me to tell you change your ways!
Stick with what is not working. (Or moral.)
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
November 11th, 2012
9:27 pm
JamVet, your implication that the Occupy protesters are “working Americans” is hilarious!
Occupy protesters were the poster children of “GIMME!” And a few social diseases too.
ODD OWL
November 11th, 2012
9:41 pm
We Dems will not be satified until every state is Democrat blue and every workers is Unionized… Forward !!!
JamVet
November 11th, 2012
9:47 pm
BB, enjoying your recent electoral humiliation, are you? Damn near a clean sweep as the most strident of your people got sent packing.
Walsh, West, Allen, Akin, Mourdoch et al. Only Bachmann survived. And that was barely.
Caused in no small part by moderates and reasonable, intelligent Americans who are thoroughly disgusted with your hateful ideology and your malicious lies about millions of decent Americans.
The next forty years portend very bad things for you irrational extremists.
Which is OK by me…
JamVet
November 11th, 2012
9:49 pm
every workers (sic) is Unionized
Hitler would not be amused.
He outlawed all German labor unions in the 1930s.
Ironic, huh, right wingers?
mike
November 11th, 2012
9:54 pm
I had to throw some water on my computer because it was overheating from all of the “flaming righties” blowing hot air. I really got to hand it to cc, Lil’ Bar, Tiberius, et al. I guess they didn’t get the memo: YOUR PARTY LOST! Your party is forgotten and will fade into obscurity. And along with your party, your imbecilic beliefs. Maybe we can have a better America now! Can you hear me, now?
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
November 11th, 2012
10:04 pm
Obama lost an incredible 9 million voters from his 2008 haul. If told on Monday that fully 13 percent of the president’s support would vanish, the GOP establishment would have stocked up on champagne and confetti.
Considering that most dummycrats are slobbering sycophants, I dare to say that someone else was “sent a message.”
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
November 11th, 2012
10:06 pm
YOUR PARTY LOST!
——————-
Did you know there’s more to life than political parties and elections and government? I guess if you have so little going on that this represents a major event in your life, probably not.
The folks who were winners before will continue to be winners. The folks who were losers before will continue to be losers.
Obozo’s re-election, and the fact that there are enough losers to make that happen, merely signify a quicker descent into hell for all of us.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
November 11th, 2012
10:09 pm
The American people are sick of both parties.
They had their choice, a hard left dummycrat or a hard left Republican.
Why choose the imitation?
Next time around there will be no squish Republicans. Enjoy your lame duck ride, loudmouths. We got a filibuster for that.
JamVet
November 11th, 2012
10:10 pm
Obama lost an incredible 9 million voters from his 2008 haul.
Factually incorrect. Try again.
But what difference does it make?
You still got crushed.
Considering that most dummycrats are slobbering sycophants…
More of that winning GOP strategy.
Good job, Andy.
At this rate you may retake the White House.
In 2028..
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
November 11th, 2012
10:11 pm
EVERY entitlement is going to get reformed in 2016.
Every one of them.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
November 11th, 2012
10:15 pm
Popular vote 69,456,897 2008
Popular vote 62,088,847 2012.
OK, 7.35 million votes less.
B. Thenet
November 11th, 2012
10:17 pm
The only reason the amendment passed is because the description of it was a complete misrepresentation of what people were voting for.
Anyone who did not do an ounce of research on the subject would have voted for it in principle. If they knew that control of the charter school process was going to be stripped from local authorities and handed to a group of handpicked political insiders I suspect it would have failed miserably.
The idea that you could imply this is some kind of issue that could cause some GOP gains within the African-America community shows that you have not recovered from the Great GOP Delusion of 2012.
JamVet
November 11th, 2012
10:18 pm
Squish Republicans?
You just trotted out 18 different HARD core, FAR right wing, non-squishy types in the last two elections.
And every single one them got laughed out of the race as being unelectable. By your own party!
But keep grasping at straws to explain this most recent GOP bloodbath…
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
November 11th, 2012
10:24 pm
When did I start talking about the Senate or the House?
Try to pay attention, please.
cc
November 11th, 2012
10:27 pm
“EVERY entitlement is going to get reformed in 2016. Every one of them.”
If not sooner . . .
In fact, EVERY entitlement is going to EXPIRE completely, but the liberal losers still fail to understand it.
They will get the message, though, and maybe realize then that it was them who caused it.
MarkV
November 11th, 2012
10:31 pm
Tiberius @7:59 pm
We are not making you irrelevant, you have made yourself irrelevant.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
November 11th, 2012
10:32 pm
Using Chinese money to party on your children’s future and these lowlifes have the audacity to celebrate their depravity.
JamVet
November 11th, 2012
10:32 pm
…liberal losers…
An interesting choice of words, cc. Considering how liberals just smoked you Republicans. Who based on results, were the real losers.
OK, 7.35 million votes less.
Yep, you were only off by a tad more than 18%.
But again, it matters not.
Democrats are winning big with the demographic groups that are growing; Republicans are trying desperately to win with a shrinking base of voter groups.
To wit…
Moderates, who comprise 41% of the electorate, voted against Romney by a considerable 15%.
BHO – 56%, WMR – 41%.
Time for some serious self-examination and perhaps FINALLY realizing that trickle down, globally cooled, widespread, unfounded hatred of other Americans is the loser…
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
November 11th, 2012
10:44 pm
If my party was down in votes 8% with an incumbent running, I damn sure wouldn’t be aping, or back patting or babbling about how great I was.
I leave that to the dysfunctional.
Have at it, party girl.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
November 11th, 2012
10:47 pm
Ooops, another mistake, you libs were down 11% not 8%, with an incumbent running.
cc
November 11th, 2012
10:54 pm
JamVet:
“…liberal losers…
An interesting choice of words, cc. Considering how liberals just smoked you Republicans. Who based on results, were the real losers.”
Yes, JamVet, liberal losers who consider the past presidential election as “winning”.
I vastly underestimated the stupidity and greed of the majority of the American electorate.
You think that the celebrating will go on forever, the money will always be there to fund your progressive giveaway programs and the party will never end. The music is getting slower now, and the dancers are weary. The waiter is coming to the table to present the check and they no longer accept credit cards.
Get your apron on, JamVet. You’ll be washing dishes for a very long time.
Do you speak Chinese?
JamVet
November 11th, 2012
10:55 pm
You just got smashed, shellacked and crushed – from sea to shining sea – and you’re in total denial about this or that percentage?
Gawd, this is awesome!
“We sent women running back to the Democratic Party because they think we’re nutty,” Rep. Steve LaTourette (R – Ohio) said of comments about rape by Mourdock of Indiana and Rep. Todd Akin of Missouri, conservatives who both lost Senate races Tuesday in states won by Romney.
What War on Women?
JamVet
November 11th, 2012
11:01 pm
I vastly underestimated the stupidity and greed of the majority of the American electorate.
You should look in the mirror, cc. For a good long while.
Because you vastly overestimated your intelligence and character.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
November 11th, 2012
11:05 pm
Damn, you just hit on it, without any coaching.
obozo, biden, clinton are your candidates, your best, and they got far fewer votes this time around.
So if we pick someone besides a northeastern squishy, a “moderate,” I’m interested to see what happens.
cc
November 11th, 2012
11:11 pm
JamVet@11:01 pm:
I noted that you addressed only one small portion of my post, which is typical selectivity on your part and was expected.
LBB, Tiberius, I Report and all other fellow conservatives:
I bid you a very pleasant evening and will leave you to deal with the riff raff.
Good night . . .
ODD OWL
November 12th, 2012
12:58 am
All tax cuts are off the table for the foreseeable future… No capital gain tax rate for investment income… All earned income and investment income will be subjected to the new standard marginal federal income tax rate of 40%… The inheritance tax rate on millionaires and billionaires will be raised to 40%… All untaxed money squirreled away in offshore bank accounts will be confiscated by the federal Government… Share the wealth, tax the rich, pay down the debt…
ODD OWL
November 12th, 2012
1:33 am
Social security, medicare and medicaid are off the negotiation table in the debt battle… Our entitlement social programs did not contribute to the debt and the deficit and the President will not allow them to be cut in order to pay down Republican debt… Tax the rich…
bluecoat
November 12th, 2012
1:56 am
Provides for improving student achievement and pa rental involvement through more public charter school options.
House Resolution No. 1162 Ga. L. 2012, p. 1364
Shall the Constitution of Georgia be amended to allow state or local approval of public charter schools upon the request of local communities?
( ) YES
( ) NO
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
November 12th, 2012
6:23 am
“You just got smashed, shellacked and crushed – from sea to shining sea – and you’re in total denial about this or that percentage?”
And yet, Republicans GAINED governorships from sea to shining sea, now up to 31 out of 50.
Neither the party, nor most of it’s ideas, are out of touch with America.
A little tweak here and there, and a dumping of certain hard-core social conservatives, and it will be viable on a national level again. Of course, since the American Idol President is thankfully term limited, and no longer has the power to buy union votes, it will make 2016 easier.
Shine
November 12th, 2012
7:00 am
We are going to club Republicans over the head with this charter school crap in two years, especially if they are crazy enough to build new schools with state money while the current schools remain underfunded!!
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
November 12th, 2012
7:07 am
“We are going to club Republicans over the head with this charter school crap in two years”
Feel free to waste your time, Shine.
It will keep you out of our hair with the rest of your crazy schemes.
Numbers-R-US
November 12th, 2012
8:13 am
Ahhhh! The stench of Republican meltdown.
That Karl Rove rant is bound to be a classic. And Rasmussen was spot on too. 
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
November 12th, 2012
9:00 am
I suggest you liberals that are so intent on spiking the ball over this victory remember what happened when you overreacted to your 2008 win.
Your overconfidence cost you the House and your Senate super-majority.
independent thinker
November 12th, 2012
9:03 am
I hope I am, wrong but knowing politics of this state, I expect some politician’s buddies and family will benefit from the passage of this amendment.We already know the Romney family is profitting from charter schools.Ah but only if we had a businessman running the country and not some liberal socialist who wants to give free stuff to everyone. By the way how did that business man do in running a campaign compared to that community organizer?
JamVet
November 12th, 2012
9:07 am
Romney lost ALL eight states that were deemed toss ups. Moderates spanked him.
Immoderation is the new word for electoral loser.
Women will not make the same mistake they made in 2010, when they stayed home. The cons have them fired up.
And like many other fed up, protesting Americans they are not going to just sit by idly anymore while the Republican Masters of the Uterus get their reactionary way and send this land back to the days of Herbert Hoover.
Welcome to the future, GOP…
fair and balanced
November 12th, 2012
9:14 am
Dying to see what science curriculum the new Repub. for profit schools will teach- evolution of Adam and Eve?. Will there be courses on the evils of contraception and abortion? Will they teach economics of outsourcing and offshoring as well as economics of making most workers independent contractors with no benefits?
pr how about the benefits of the political science of hypocrisy- voting for and taking public benefits while telling the voters you are against the government giving away the the free stuff?
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
November 12th, 2012
9:18 am
“Dying to see what science curriculum the new Repub. for profit schools will teach”
The same one all public schools do. Haven’t you been paying attention?
“Will there be courses on the evils of contraception and abortion?”
No. Stop confusing private schools with charter schools.
“Will they teach economics of outsourcing and offshoring as well as economics of making most workers independent contractors with no benefits?”
If any school teaches economics it would be a miracle. Same as if they taught American history.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
November 12th, 2012
9:20 am
Ever notice that “independent thinker” and “fair and balanced” always show up at the same time, and post the same themes when they do?
independent thinker
November 12th, 2012
9:37 am
Yeah Tiberius keep hallucinating and we both think it is people who are narrow minded and unable to deal with reality like you that caused the GOP to gets its rear end burned in a landslide .
Obama 2012-332 EVs
George W. 2004-282 EVs (only because he stole Ohio with Rove’s help)
Deal with it
There is better places to for you to get your daily reality check than Rush and Glenn.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
November 12th, 2012
9:38 am
John Q, despite your contention that we are the same, we do not post the same, nor do we show up at the same time. Nor do I subscribe to LBB’s use of insulting terms for Obama.
You’d know that if you had any intelligence.
Nice try, but epic fail.
They BOTH suck
November 12th, 2012
9:41 am
To all the veterans; Thank You
Happy Veterans Day!!!!!!!!!
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
November 12th, 2012
9:42 am
non-independent and no-thinker, I do not listen very often to either Rush, and never listen to Glenn Beck.
But keep falling back on that failed argument since you have nothing else to argue with.
And if you wish to continue to use the Electoral College as your measure for a “landslide”, feel free to do so. It doesn’t change the fact that this was a 2 1/2 point election.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
November 12th, 2012
9:52 am
John Q, you really are an ignorant liberal (isn’t that redundant?)
See, I can throw out insults without and substance just like you, John Q.
Fortunately, I can also post substantial comments as well. You? Not so much.
Your next substantial post will be your first substantial post.
Black Label
November 12th, 2012
10:02 am
John Q
Next Tiberius will say that he “accepts your surrender”. I guess he thinks he is winning something on this blog. Maybe Kyle gives him a free week of the AJC dead wood edition each time he makes his declaration. If nothing else, it makes him feel good about himself. Have to start somewhere.
independent thinker
November 12th, 2012
10:03 am
Thank you to all our veterans out there on Veterans Day. Sorry that the loser /draft dodger of the GOP dissed you folks and lumped you in with the 47% Thank god we have Michelle and Jill Biden to remind us o fthe sacrifices of our veterans and their needs as a result of the two Bush wars, Maybe Michelle and Jill can get Queen Anne to join them now that she has all that free time on her hands ( except for the horse, managing her millions made on Delphi as a result of Obama’s auto bailout and her car elevator.) Might help her see what it is like to have family members put heir lives on the line for their country.And thank you Dems for featuring veterans at every opportunity during the election..
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
November 12th, 2012
10:06 am
“Might help her see what it is like to have family members put heir lives on the line for their country.”
I’m sorry, but I must have missed the “time served in the military” when reading the resumes of Barack and Michelle Obama.
Barack Obama
November 12th, 2012
10:36 am
Just a brief word to my fellow progressives:
Let us not forget that the battle has just begun. We must be ever-mindful of the task before us and apply ourselves accordingly. We are about the business of remaking America! Soon the wealthy will be stripped of their wealth and that wealth shall be distributed to the proletariat. Our true gains shall be made after we destroy the economy and the damnable capitalistic system.
Before all of this occur, we must first disarm the citizens…and I am working on that through the United Nations.
The proletariat shall rule! Unfortunately, you shall be equally poor…but we are about fairness, aren’t we?
FORWARD!
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
November 12th, 2012
10:43 am
Still waiting for that first post of substance from you, John Q . . . .
MarkV
November 12th, 2012
10:53 am
Looks like more people are catching up on how Tiberius keeps repeating the same, tired expressions to belittle opponents or pretend he is winning arguments, but he still is not getting it.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
November 12th, 2012
11:01 am
Looks like MarkV is still trying to become relevant on this blog while pretending to make any substantial posts.
MarkV
November 12th, 2012
11:03 am
Just confirmed by Tiberius..
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
November 12th, 2012
11:11 am
dependent thinker, care to hazard a guess as to which candidate military members supported? And it isn’t even close.
cc
November 12th, 2012
11:25 am
Campus Reform: A group of college students chanted “Karl Marx” and “socialism” while celebrating President Obama’s electoral victory in front of the White House late Tuesday night, a video shot by Campus Reform reveals.
The raucous group of students chanted “Karl Marx, Karl Marx, Karl Marx,” and cited abortion, socialism, and “Obama phones” as reasons for their support of President Obama’s second term. [...]
Students present at the rally told Campus Reform that they were supporting the President for a variety of reasons.
“Obama phones,” said an unidentified student. “Everyone is getting a f**king Obama phone.”
I won’t even post the link. Google it and watch the available video if you doubt the accuracy of the information
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
November 12th, 2012
11:29 am
cc, that kinda sounds like a bunch of sarcastic college kids taunting Obozo and his Idiot Acolytes.
cc
November 12th, 2012
11:36 am
LBB:
That could be, but it is representative of who reelected him!
Black Label
November 12th, 2012
12:37 pm
LBB and cc
You served when and in which branch? You don’t get credit for serving just because more folks in the military voted for the same person you did………….. cowards
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
November 12th, 2012
12:41 pm
“MarkV – I’m thinking . . . .”
If only you could, John Q.
If only you could.
“ceaseless posting of the same nonsense for hours and hours on end day after day for 4 straight years. ”
Haven’t been on here for anywhere near 4 years, bub, so that’s yet another thing you’ve gotten wrong. At least you’re consistent.
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
November 12th, 2012
12:42 pm
Anybody have any clue what Black Label is spewing about?
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
November 12th, 2012
12:44 pm
I’d like to wish all the libs on here who have served their nation as members of the Armed Forces a Happy Veteran’s Day.
I suspect it would be a short list . . .
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
November 12th, 2012
12:44 pm
“Anybody have any clue what Black Label is spewing about?”
Hardly ever, LBB.
saywhat?
November 12th, 2012
12:48 pm
The new Republican strategy in Georgia- Lie to the people about what they are voting on, and import millions of dollars of out of state money from conservative whack-jobs for promotional ad campaigns, in exchange for granting them the opportunity to financially rape Georgia taxpayers.
Wonderful.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
November 12th, 2012
1:07 pm
Amazing how one poster can capture 100% bull$h!t in just a single sentence as saywhat? does at 12:48.
Black Label
November 12th, 2012
1:24 pm
SR
http://www.snopes.com/politics/medical/exemptions.asp
cc
November 12th, 2012
1:24 pm
“Anybody have any clue what Black Label is spewing about?”
Just another name on my “Do not respond to” list . . .
Black Label
November 12th, 2012
1:25 pm
SR
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/may/23/crossroads-gps/unions-dont-have-comply-obamacare-says-crossroads-/
saywhat?
November 12th, 2012
1:26 pm
Which part of my 12:48 is BS? The first two points are cold hard fact, and while the third point is conjecture, it is based on a review of history.
I’m sure in the next three to five years, when charter schools approved by the special state committee start to fail, it will be revealed that the private companies that ran them were from out of state, had connections with the Deal administration, and made a lot of money for the owners despite failing the children they were supposed to serve. Meanwhile, the local conservative dupes will be amazed that such a thing could ever happen, and claim that nobody could have foreseen it.
cc
November 12th, 2012
1:49 pm
“Amazing how one poster can capture 100% bull$h!t in just a single sentence as saywhat? does at 12:48.”
I’ve always heard that “practice makes perfect”.
cc
November 12th, 2012
1:53 pm
I’ve found that there is no reason to read a paper, watch TV or listen to the radio to learn when government is closed for a holiday.
The absence of Finn’s incessant posting will alert you to that fact.
Lil' Barry Bailout - OBAMAPHONE!!!
November 12th, 2012
2:02 pm
So Finn only posts when he’s getting paid by the taxpayers?
Seems typical.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
November 12th, 2012
2:05 pm
“Which part of my 12:48 is BS?”
I’m pretty sure I already stated the whole thing was, saywhat?
What part of 100% do you NOT get?
saywhat?
November 12th, 2012
3:43 pm
I’m pretty sure I already stated the whole thing was, saywhat?
What part of 100% do you NOT get?
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I understand you are 100% wrong in this case, much like conservative predictions on the outcome of the presidential election. It surely must have something to do with the inability of conservatives to recognize actual fact, vs crap they make up and convince themselves to be true.
Must suck to be wrong all the time, but don’t let yourself get all butt hurt over it.
Archibald Leach
November 12th, 2012
7:37 pm
The reason why the amendment passed is because most people do NOT know what it does. The republicans in the Gold Dome made the language deceiving and vague on purpose. It said nothing about an unelected state board being able to overrule a local school board on the creation of charter schools.
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November 12th, 2012
9:58 pm
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November 12th, 2012
9:58 pm
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Jerry Eads
November 13th, 2012
10:34 pm
An interesting quote in the article about secession:
Mercer University economist Roger Tutterow: “Even for those of us who believe that the government closest to the people governs best, it’s hard to take this as a serious proposal, to even think about what the implications would be,” he said.
Hm. So how does that core conservative principle fit with the Republican support of state centralized nonrepresenative control of schooling?