How the GOP needs to change, and how it doesn’t
Tuesday was a brutal night for Republicans.
Incumbent presidents are tough to beat, but Barack Obama was about as vulnerable as they come. The economy is stagnant; his signature legislative achievement is unpopular; his party weathered sharp losses in the midterm elections – by now, you know the litany by heart. Yet Mitt Romney appears to have flipped only two states Obama won in 2008 (pending the final result in Florida).
When political parties lose brutally, a lot of new conventional wisdom crops up. Some of it’s right, some of it’s wrong. Here’s an early take on which is which:
1. Republicans have to move toward the left.
Wrong, wrong, wrong. There are two major political parties in this country in large part because they represent two sets of durable, mainstream beliefs. Sometimes one or the other does a better job of representing its beliefs, but neither ideology will be permanently defeated. Which leads me to …
2. The GOP has to ditch the tea party.
Wrong. Just two years ago, the GOP stopped Democrats’ congressional super-majorities in their tracks thanks to tea partyers. America hasn’t changed dramatically in that time, even if a successful tea-party candidate needs more polish than we’ve seen out of some of them (hello, Christine O’Donnell) to attract a broader audience.
The original animating concern of the tea party — halting the rapid growth of the federal government, from bailouts to debt to Obamacare — could have been a political winner Tuesday. (We don’t have to wait for the historians to marvel that the GOP in 2012 nominated the only guy who couldn’t capitalize on Obamacare’s lack of popularity.)
Romney might have made up for that failing if he’d joined the growing ranks of conservatives who support breaking up the biggest banks to ensure none is too big to fail. His comment during the second debate about his party’s devotion to Big Business at the expense of small businesses was his chance. He didn’t take it. A Republican with 2016 ambitions might, soon.
3. The GOP has to reach out to non-white voters.
This one’s absolutely true. There is plenty to criticize in Romney’s lack of minority outreach, but this is not his problem alone. Nor will it go away if the GOP merely highlights the promising, young, non-white stars they already have, such as Nikki Haley, Bobby Jindal, Susana Martinez and Marco Rubio.
Republicans have to explain why conservative ideas are good for minorities. They can’t simply trot out their ideas and expect minorities to recognize their brilliance when those voters have been told by Democrats, many of them for generations, that those ideas are intended to benefit other (read: white) people. When Republicans fail to engage minority voters, they effectively reinforce the Democrats’ argument.
It will take more than talking, though. It will take action. Here’s an idea about one policy that makes minorities most skeptical about the right: voter ID laws. Why not fight the notion these laws are about suppressing voting, rather than reducing fraud, by taking proactive steps to help put IDs in the hands of the people who think they’re being targeted?
4. Republicans must drop social conservatism.
Wrong. Social conservatism isn’t wholly out of the mainstream. Gallup’s long-term tracking of public attitudes about abortion, for instance, show the pro-life position is as strong as it’s been since Roe v. Wade. What’s out of the mainstream is a social conservative who can’t talk about opposing abortion without sounding as if he’s endorsing the act of rape. That cost the GOP two Senate seats and surely hurt Romney’s standing with some women.
Gay marriage may be different. Older voters who oppose it altogether are being replaced every day by 18-year-olds who couldn’t care less — and who don’t seem to change their stance as they get older. There was a time when Republicans could have pushed civil unions to make all couples equal before the law without changing the traditional definition of marriage. That time may have passed.
5. Georgia Republicans are a few years away from facing some of the same issues as the national GOP.
True, true, true. I’ll explain how they can avoid the same fate in a column coming soon to a blog very, very near you.
– By Kyle Wingfield
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Reality
November 8th, 2012
4:54 pm
Let the GOP slip into two parties…. the Tea Party and the “others”. Maybe the “others” would have a chance to win an election.
@@
November 8th, 2012
4:55 pm
I’m thinkin’ it’ll go down EXACTLY as Michael H. predicts @ 4:47.
Dems should be happy with the compromise. It’s increased revenue absent the revenge factor.
You dems can’t have everything. Take the increased revenue and be happy.
Michael H. Smith ~ The Socialist Monster no longer hides under the bed in Greece...
November 8th, 2012
4:56 pm
It is amazing how these socialist liberals think. First, blacks are more conservative than whites who depend on government assistance by a far greater number. Secondly, those of the Hispanic culture are more socially conservatives than whites. Now with these facts in hand it should only take softening a few hard positions to remedy a few objection from both these groups to beat the DEMwits at their own ethnocentric warfare games.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
November 8th, 2012
4:56 pm
jconservative
You can’t beat those numbers, that is what I have been saying. You have to deal with the landscape as it exists not as you wish. I saw where the new numbers coming from the exit polls on how people ID themselves, something like (from memory) 37 Conservative, 22 Liberal, and 41 or so Independent. Republicans have gone on the assumption that most of those Independents could be closet Republicans. I don’t think so at this point. I think they are Dems, just embarrassed that they actually approve of the ideology of the Dems. I do not see any way the GOP ever wins a national election again without moving to the left. The numbers just aren’t there, you can’t win with 44% or so of the population. As the Dems say the demographics have caught up with us. Don’t know what the answer is for conservatives at this point, as their is no clear solution. I’m in the grab a life raft, save yourself mode at present.
md
November 8th, 2012
4:56 pm
“Are you hoping your little theory brings about an overturn of R v W?”
Not necessarily, I just think folks should be erring on the side of caution vs the flippant attitude that you seem to have in regards to life.
Can I ask if you are a parent out of curiosity? It seems to have some relevancy on how one looks at the situation. And yes, as a younger person I was all for the easy way out….
Red
November 8th, 2012
4:57 pm
The GOP has to EARN the vote of non-white voters!!!!
JamVet
November 8th, 2012
4:57 pm
332 – 206.
Ouch!
A second straight slaughter.
Look around!
You fake conservatives have lost the entire east and west coasts of this country! And a multitude of huge demographics women, Jews, ALL minorities, the well educated, among others.
And any Republican epiphany appears to be a very, very long way off into the future.
Me? I do not care if there is one or not.
This awful iteration of the GOP – the Uncle Sam hating, corporate bootlicking one created by the corrupt Ronald Reagan gang – must go.
I really do long for a sane, competent and courageous GOP. One that stands up for the little American, not AGAINST him. One that respects and cares for the environment, not treats it like a cesspool. One that welcomes minorities and non-Christians as equals, not inferior or defective. One that doesn’t concoct laughable rationalizations to denounce science and academia. And one that works with other voices instead of just ignoring them.
But if it is not to be, it is better for our Republic that this version of the once Grand Old party be reduced to a fringe player, while REAL conservatives and REAL Republican intellectuals are found…
JamVet
November 8th, 2012
5:00 pm
Bruno!
How goes it?!
Let’s go to a rock show and I can rib you about the election, buddy!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BU_2oNF9CZE
@@
November 8th, 2012
5:00 pm
Hey AmVet!!!
How many votes did Rocky pull down?
schnirt
Ian
November 8th, 2012
5:00 pm
It’s pretty simple: The Republicans need to ditch the crazies! When a portion, even a small one, of your membership says outrageous things about science and rape and conspiracy theories, and the party doesn’t reject them, it drags the whole party down. And speaking as a moderate who has voted straight Democrat for a number of years, I actually would PREFER a stronger GOP. I hate feeling like I only ever have one option when I go to vote.
Carving them up
November 8th, 2012
5:01 pm
md
Yes I am a parent and still believe if you are against abortion do not have one.
Speak your mind, son. All that ring and the roses for what? Just say you are against abortion, if that is the case.
Are you of some mindset that only people that are not parents are the only ones that do not want R v W overturned?
Speaking of flippant.
But keep up with your theories.
Nice chat. Don’t be the farm.
Linda
November 8th, 2012
5:02 pm
What do pigs, Hannah Montanna, Elvis & Obama have in common? They all cause(d) squeals.
The GOP’s failure was not to consider that a huge segment of Americans is absolutely in love with Obama, regardless of what he says or does. Period. His campaigns & presidency have been based on lies, distortions, deception & scandals. Clinton said that O’s campaign was the “biggest fairy tale” he’d ever seen.
There’s yet to be one significant success under this president. He’s yet to create one single net job. The U3 unemployment rate is higher today than when he took office & the U6 rate reveals more Americans are out of work than at any time in decades. His adm. has added $6 T in new debt with nothing to show for it. His signature Obamacare bill is as unpopular today as it was when it was passed. Bush sent the 1st check to bail out the auto companies. The SEALS killed OBL. Etc., etc., etc.
Obama has a nice family, a charming personality, charisma, a great smile & a super walk. He’s handsome, smart & had the best speech coaches. He’s treated like Moses without the tablets. If he can stop the rise of the oceans, he can probably part the sea. “Lie to me!” “Gimme!” “We love your!” The segments of the voters his policies hurt the most were the largest segments who voted for him.
Like any other addict, America needs to reach rock bottom to get help & heal. The greatest threat to our natl. security is our natl. debt, caused by our leaders we elected. Therefore, our worst enemies are ourselves.
There has never been a time more important for the GOP to stand firm on it’s core principles of fiscal responsibility & limited govt. & to be there when the country fails.
4 more years
November 8th, 2012
5:02 pm
But just so we’re clear–I think that the economy may fail under Obama’s leadership. He doesn’t have a great track record. I have no faith.
The Final Solution
November 8th, 2012
5:05 pm
@Red @4:57p.m.:
Well said!
And they will never be able to do that unless they purge the party in its entirety of current members and adherents, and replace them with entirely new ones, total outsiders with a drastically different world view.
But then, in that case, why even bother to maintain the GOP?
As an aside, one is reminded of Bertolt Brecht’s famous poem, entitled “The Solution”, about the Uprising of 1953 in the former East Germany:
After the uprising of the 17th of June
The Secretary of the Writers Union
Had leaflets distributed in the Stalinallee
Stating that the people
Had forfeited the confidence of the government
And could win it back only
By redoubled efforts. Would it not be easier
In that case for the government
To dissolve the people
And elect another?
Hillbilly D
November 8th, 2012
5:05 pm
I have no faith.
I have faith but not in any politician. There’s a President, Vice-President, 535 members of Congress, untold numbers of secretaries, under-secretaries, and bureaucrats and I’m not deluded enough to think that a one of them gives a damn about anything to do with me, other than getting my vote.
Matz
November 8th, 2012
5:07 pm
Linda,
You’re not owning it. Where’s the personal responsibility? Sad….
3d
November 8th, 2012
5:08 pm
The GOP needs someone who can portray and illustrate in their campaign ads the differences between standing at the bus stop with a lotto ticket or driving a nice car with a nice house and how that EBT card will get you the former and not the latter.
It’s just basic Marketing 101. You would think they could figure that out, but I guess not.
Dejay
November 8th, 2012
5:09 pm
I think several folks nailed it earlier so I’ll include my two cents in since everyone else is…
First of all, if the GOP has any desire to win back the White House (other than hoping that Obama fails and the country tanks in his second term), it has to now and forever wean their base from the pacifier of Fox News and talk radio. It’s perfectly fine to be fiscally and socially conservative but when you have the likes of Hannity, Limbaugh, Beck, Coulter, and O’Reilly demonizing everyone in sight who doesn’t echo their words as gospel while espousing themselves as the de facto voices of your party, not too many folks are going to see things your way. Sure, the base, Tea Partiers, and religious right, who were going to vote Republican anyway, will fall into line, but how did that strategy work out this past Tuesday? When this country’s surplus was spiraling into a massive deficit under Bush and a Republican-controlled Congress, where was Hannity and O’Reilly then? You can’t have it both ways, where you cry for fiscal restraint until you get control of the wheel, then spend like Brewster’s Millions to accomplish the social agenda you’ve always wanted. These guys and gals should’ve been banging the drum for restaint over a decade ago, not seconds after Obama was sworn into office. It wouldn’t be a better time than any for the GOP to dump-truck these guys and have FOX put on more moderate folks with REAL solutions to the issues that most of America cares about (the deficit, economy, unemployment) instead of divisive stuff that garner ratings but not much more in terms of having a sensible dialogue. Enough with giving Donald Trump an open mic to talk about birth certificates.
Secondly, if your party is as ‘inclusive’ as guys like O’Reilly claim it was yesterday, how come Hispanics are voting the other way 70-30 and Blacks 93-7? Something is amiss here. Is it the message that those who don’t look like us who aren’t also as old and angry as we are (see Cain, Herman) are criminals, drug users/dealers, or deadbeats looking for a handout? Is it the asinine immigration laws that GOP leaders in Arizona and Georgia keep pushing through? Why isn’t Marco Rubio or some of the ’stars’ you claim to have on the roster not piping up when they see their party obviously excluding and marginalizing minorities? Are they scared to take a stand against the extreme-right of the party after seeing what they did to Jeb Bush when he brought it up earlier?
Finally, it’s high time to start separating the wheat from the chaff. While folks have the right to run for president, it doesn’t necessarily mean that the party they are trying to win the nomination from should be spending valuable time and resources on them. How many needless resources were spent by Romney on fighting off the likes of those who had NO SHOT WHATSOEVER OF WINNING THE WHITE HOUSE (and yes, I’m talking to you, Newt Gingrich, Herman Cain, and Rick Santorum). You might want to put some qualifiers out there; if you don’t have the position(s) of Governor or Senator on your resume, you cannot run for president on our dime. You have to go back to the days of Ford to find the last president who didn’t hold those titles. I’m pretty sure that others who haven’t have great ideas of how things should be run. However, that’s why the President have cabinets.
Okay, I’m done. I have work to do…
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
November 8th, 2012
5:09 pm
AmVet calling for anything “sane, competent or courageous” is simply laughable, as he has no concept of any of these behaviors.
JamVet
November 8th, 2012
5:09 pm
Hey schnirter!
How many did your loser get?
You just got your ugly neocon clock cleaned!
I told you, but you wouldn’t listen!
You see, an angel of the Lord of Israel came to me in a dream and told me that Mitt the Anti-Christ would only get 200 Electoral College Votes. The angel said that millions of people would be fooled by him and his severely conservative charms and would vote for him! But I should hold fast and vote for a man of conscience. A real man.
But you Sodomites and Gomorreans paid no heed.
Now you shall live in the Rush Limbaugh’s Fake Conservative Land of Nod, to the East of Eden…
Edward
November 8th, 2012
5:09 pm
Want to know why the GOP lost? Look at people like Michael H. Smith, td, Dusty, LBB… there’s the bats*** crazy that turns everyone else away. When you let the radical extremists like those, who worship at the alters of Limbaugh, Hannity, Coulter, Rove, be your mouthpiece, then you will forever be resigned to the margins.
JamVet
November 8th, 2012
5:10 pm
Yeah!!!
More tibby meltdowns!
Go tibby, Go! Go tibby, Go! Go tibby, Go!
Michael H. Smith ~ The Socialist Monster no longer hides under the bed in Greece...
November 8th, 2012
5:10 pm
John Q – do you think your loser anger means anything to me? It doesn’t and my kind of thinking has turned Georgia Republican and won the House in 2010. Stick around, 2014 and 2016 might just be the best of my thinking years.
JamVet
November 8th, 2012
5:12 pm
Tibby!
I’ve got a great idea for you!
Why don’t you pull your own tail?!
Off.
Schnort.
For you and Mssrs. Romney, Ryan, West, Walsh, Mourdock, Akin, Brown, Allen, Berg, et al.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgSPaXgAdzE
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
November 8th, 2012
5:12 pm
Now, all that being said, any liberal putting their two cents worth into this discussion is just ridiculous.
You’d just lie about the opposition to diminish them, even if they did a complete 180 from current Republican policies, just as you did this last time.
Post all you want, but give us a reason why anyone should listen to them, given your history.
blackbird13
November 8th, 2012
5:12 pm
I think everyone expected Obama to get fewer total votes this time, given the economy and the reduced enthusiasm, but who would have thought Romney would get fewer votes than McCain? Ryan apparently brought nothing to the ticket (look at Wisconsin results.)
I think it was simple: Romney=Mr. Wall Street. I haven’t any seen exit polls on the question, but given the fact that exit polls revealed the majority still blame Bush more than Obama for the economy, I’d bet an even bigger majority blames Wall Street.
Dusty
November 8th, 2012
5:13 pm
JamVet
You come on here like a tired old critter still beating the same ol’ drum. You really do not like anybody, just try to make it sound good with brevado and bitterness..
The Republican Party is not a fringe party . But your thinking is.frazzled fringe. Wait until Obama passes on some of his expensive ideas to Congress. You may see how fringe they are. Even Obama knows better than that after struggling for years to pass something other than that awful healthcare disaster. Let’s hope he has learned a little something about adjustments.
@@
November 8th, 2012
5:15 pm
John:
@@ – I’m thinking you probably thought Myth Robme would win.
Actually, I didn’t. You’ll not find one post where I predicted a GOP win.
Also, what’s up with the “schnirt”? I’ve seen you use it from time to time and it’s, well, juvenile.
Couldn’t care less what you think about my “schnirt”.
Myth Robme is what…..more grown up?
schnirt
md
November 8th, 2012
5:15 pm
” Don’t know what the answer is for conservatives at this point”
Throughout our history, the answer has always been the actions of the other party. Both sides do a pretty good job of mucking things up, and I doubt this is any different. If things don’t improve in 4 years, or get better and then go south again, the fickle masses will be ready for more change……
That is still the pattern even in socialist Europe……or Canada.
Del
November 8th, 2012
5:16 pm
There’s a lot of chatter about what the Republican party should change and do but I heard one pundit discuss it and I tend to agree. He said we need to consider that there was a lot of enthusiasm about Obama in 08 and many people were excited about America’s first viable candidate of color and a lot of people voted for him. We know now that a lot of people who voted for him in 08 didn’t vote for him this time around. In fact Obama lost 6 points in the electorate against Romney just one point over as compared to 7 points over in 08 against McCain. It’s quite probable that many people who voted for Obama in 08 did so reluctantly this time not feeling that he deserved reelection but also knowing that if he lost it would mean our first president of color would be deemed a failed one term president in the history books. The Democrats did a great job of winning the ground game in the swing states and Obama got elected to a second term. This doesn’t mean that he’s popular or that he’s been given a mandate by the voters because the national election was too close. It also doesn’t mean that Romney was a poor candidate or that Republicans are now close to political extinction as some on the left are gleefully predicting and it doesn’t mean that the country has moved ideologically far-left. Should the Republicans do some introspection as what improvements are needed like reaching out effectively to non-whites? Of course but there’s no need to panic and abandon conservative values.
Matz
November 8th, 2012
5:19 pm
Del,
I agree with you. I think the Republican party should keep doing exactly what they did this year. Don’t change a thing!
Just Passing Through
November 8th, 2012
5:23 pm
All groups of non-whites have made strides to improve themselves (generally speaking, statistically) while outpacing the whites in America in population browth.
Meanwhile, the whites sit around and fail math and get dumb jobs and a bunch of credit card debt.
Then the dumb whites complain about national debt and call the President (Harvard lawyer) dumb.
Then they say minorities are the ones with the “entitlement” mentality.
I’m a white male, and I’m proud to be American, but I have to thank the Lord Jesus every day that I am smart enough not to think like a Southern Republican.
Bruno
November 8th, 2012
5:24 pm
Do you know where we are? Do you realize the Dems in Georgia have lost every single constitutional office in this state, and control of both houses of our legislature? What do you think we talk about at our meetings… how freaking awesome we are? Please.
Matz–Losing a football game 50-48 doesn’t mean that you need to fire all of the coaches and players. Which is how the Libs are pitching it.
BTW, thanks for a reasonable, introspective response. The rest of the Libs on board here have started a contest to see who can be the biggest A-hole.
I SEE RED PEOPLE
November 8th, 2012
5:25 pm
I would suggest moving to the farthest reaches of conservatism, as far right as gravity will permit. Continue to sign pledges with Grover Norquist. Put Ann Coulter in front of as many cameras as she can bear. Keep telling non-conservatives how they must live their lives. Start wars. Lots of wars. Bring back Sarah Palin. Continue the quest to prove that the President is a foreigner. More evangelists. More gridlock. People respect gridlock. That should get you through the mid-terms.
JamVet
November 8th, 2012
5:25 pm
Dusty, I know. To quote Bugs, “I’m a stinker, ain’t I?”
But one day with much I hope to be as kind, as complimentary and as thoughtful of a blogger as you are.
(LOL at you.)
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
November 8th, 2012
5:25 pm
Hillbilly @ 5:05, well said, anyone depending on government or a politician is destined to get disappointed. The only person, you can absolutely trust to look out for you and yourn, is yourself.
Tiberius - pulling the tail of the left AND right when needed
November 8th, 2012
5:26 pm
Del, the GOP IS facing non-relevance if they do not change.
FACT: More women vote than men (and that trend keeps rising). If you keep this stupid abortion issue up front, you’re giving away a sizeable chunk of votes you can’t get anywhere else.
FACT: Minorities are growing as a voting bloc. And I do mean voting bloc. Now, I’m going to go on record here and state that African-Americans are a lost cause to try to bring over. You can use any terminology why they are never going to give up the Democrats; ignorant, beholden – pick your own term – but they have shown no inclination to stray off the Democrat plantation of security over freedom. But you DO need to go after Hispanics.
FACT: The trend is against social conservatism. Gay marriage are getting closer and closer to passage. The GOP needs to get out of, and stay out of, people’s private lives.
FACT: The Democrats have a willing and fawning media to assist them in spreading their lies. The GOP needs better liars.
I SEE RED PEOPLE
November 8th, 2012
5:27 pm
Oh. And more cowbell.
Michael H. Smith ~ The Socialist Monster no longer hides under the bed in Greece...
November 8th, 2012
5:27 pm
You left out the part about all those whites getting foo stamps, EBT cards, obumer phones and section 8 housing.
Did Anyone Notice?
November 8th, 2012
5:27 pm
Did anyone notice that the more educated parts of the country went to the Democrats while the least educated parts of the country went to the republicans?
The Republican party preys on people that don’t spend the time to acutally study the issues. All that matters is that the candidate is a “good christian man” who will save our country from the minorities.
Progressive Humanist
November 8th, 2012
5:27 pm
Kyle,
Your advice on numbers 1, 2, and 4 are mutually exclusive from #3. If Republicans continue with their far right lunatic fringe ideals and continue to embrace both the Tea Party and social conservatism, then they will never appeal to diverse voters, and without appealing to diverse voters they are destined to lose every national election for a very long time. But why should we listen to any conservative pundits? You guys were all wrong, very wrong, and have no credibility left.
No he didnt
November 8th, 2012
5:29 pm
Del / Recon 0311 2533
June 21st, 2012
9:41 pm
Jm,
jay and his libs on this blog won’t have anything to do with the outcome of Novembers election. They only think they have influence. Of course any influence that exists is only among themselves. I think the aftermath of this upcoming election will cause much crying and gnashing of teeth among jay’s faithful. It should be pathetic yet amusing to observe.
independent thinker
November 8th, 2012
5:30 pm
Del- at 5:16 “It also doesn’t mean that Romney was a poor candidate” .
Kyle is right about what is wrong with the GOP.
Romney is the worst candidate of the GOP in 54 years I have been voting. See my earlier post.Even Nixon was more qualified because he had been VP for eight years. If you and the rest of the cons cannot figure out why selecting Romney was a terrible choice, the party is doomed. Gerald Ford and Reagan were antidotes to the sickness and corruption of Nixon and a breath of fresh air. Many of the mistakes and inadequacies of W. were being repeated again by Romney. “”"”Romney- Bush”"”All the Democrats had to do is tie the two together . The big dog Clinton made that Chrystal clear at the convention and so did Obama. And if cons believe Bush was a great president, they truly need to start over from the ground up.
I SEE RED PEOPLE
November 8th, 2012
5:30 pm
Dems have all but dropped the gun control rhetoric. GOP needs to learn the same lesson with abortion. Once a right or privilege is given, stripping it away is political suicide.
Wesley T.
November 8th, 2012
5:34 pm
Two points:
1) In your discussion of the Tea Party, I think you’re missing the difference between mid-term and presidential election years. GOPers will continue to do quite well in midterms for the foreseeable future, because older, whiter voters are consistently more likely to turn out in those off-years. But in presidentials, there’s simply going to be no-way for a hard-right, anti-minority, Tea Party-driven party to have a chance. The new Obama coalition has turned out two 4-yr cycles in a row and isn’t going anywhere.
2) I think you left out the most important point, which is that the GOP has to figure out a way to disavow crazy and become a serious, reality-based party again – perhaps by getting its right wing echo chamber under control. As long as things like birtherism, Benghazi conspiracies, anti-science stuff, rape, and Agenda 21 are the face of the conservative movement, it has literally no chance to win a national.
JDW
November 8th, 2012
5:36 pm
@Bruno…”Let’s say that Romney won the election by 1% of the popular vote instead of Obama. Would any of you be here participating in a “What’s Wrong With the Democrat Party” discussion??”
First off actual numbers were a margin of about 2.5% of the vote and apparently 332 EV’s to 206.
That is not a “small margin” Second off…if my candidate:
Lost the West 88 EV’s to 27
Lost the Midwest 80 Ev’s to 38
Lost the Northeast 122 EV’s to 0
But
Won the South 141 to 42
I would be damn worried for a long time.
fair and balanced
November 8th, 2012
5:36 pm
If you really want to see what is wrong with the GOP here it is in full view from Mr. Tiberius:
“”"”"”"”"”FACT: The Democrats have a willing and fawning media to assist them in spreading their lies. The GOP needs better liars.”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"
Yeah MSNBC pollsters told some real big lies about the polls compared to Rove, Limbaugh and Morris.
And how many documented lies did Romney and Ryan tell? I lost count.
They even said their ads would not be governed by fact checkers.
You can fool some of the people some of the time but you cannot fool all the people all the time.
THAT’S WHY YOU LOST.
Rafe Hollister, suffering through Oblamer's ineptocracy
November 8th, 2012
5:37 pm
Did Anyone notice
What you posted was incorrect. Check the exit polls, people with less than a HS education voted overwhelmingly our charming Mistake, those with only a HS education voted overwhelmingly for O, those with some college voted about even and those with a college degree voted overwhelmingly for Romney, the people with advanced degrees voted for O, but not overwhelmingly.
So, it seems to me that overwhelmingly the low information voters flocked to the Mistake.
JDW
November 8th, 2012
5:37 pm
@IT…”Romney is the worst candidate of the GOP in 54 years ”
Yep…problem was he was BY FAR the best they had.
Hillbilly D
November 8th, 2012
5:38 pm
I’ve said this before but I’ve lived through “the impending demise” of the Democratic Party two or three times, already, and I’ve lived through “the impending demise” of the Republican Party two or three times. Didn’t happen any of those times and it won’t happen this time. The two parties are firmly entrenched and they each have a stake in seeing that they’re the only two. The players come and go but the game doesn’t change.